Make sure to visit Jahvahn and Tomaka on the Elemental Shaman Discord: discord.gg/c99hDzA *Timestamps* 01:04 - Guest Introduction 02:35 - Table of Contents 03:03 - Who are we? 03:24 - Log Review 08:19 - Why bring an Elemental Shaman to Raid? 18:18 - Race and Profession Selection 26:31 - Talent Builds 40:23 - Rotations 49:41 - Using the Spreadsheet for Stat Weights, DPS, & Gearing 1:00:42 - Stat Weights Discussion 1:04:16 - World Buffs 1:08:50 - Consumables 1:13:40 - Molten Core Boss Strategy 1:14:58 - Blackwing Lair Boss Strategy 1:25:07 - Conclusions and Summary %
I am glad I found this guide as I am split right now and my guild is pushing me into Resto. There counter to Ele is that I will be OOM half way through the fight. What do I need to do to prevent that? (as of writing this we are currently in Phase 3 of SoM)
Any chance of getting a quick update on this for all the SoM changes? Would love to see it. Played sham on private servers, played rogue for classic and didn't like it, and coming back to shaman for SoM
You can very easily use totems in suppression room. All the shaman use them in our raids and there are never problems. You just reset them every time you move forward
@@DefcampMelderonTV You don't need common sense. You just need 3 guildies yelling about totems :) And a totem timer Thanks for the shaman vids. Shaman forever
7:00 I found that a middle of the road approach is best for ele shaman dps logs. If your guild is just fast enough to let you not go oom but also slow enough for you to get use out of your trinkets and doesn't keep pulling constantly, that's probably ideal. This is mainly bc you need to drink more often and need to drop combat to do so and bc you need to place your totems that often (which are a factor concerning the mana issue and concerning no dps GCDs). I had, a few weeks ago, the 2nd highest dps in the world, if you looked at trash + bosses while being sth like 30th on just bosses in a 90 minute BWL run or so. That was with me out dps-ing all other casters and some physicals. Now that group is down to 60 minutes and, my dps plumetted and a few warlocks and mages have surpassed me. (also yeah, not a crazy fast time... try getting an ele alt into a main raid somewhere, lol) Though I guess that's more of a speed clear vs normal clear thing rather than kill speed, per se.
Thanks for your Videos Melderon! One thing I am wondering about since I got my elemental on 60 is, what about AQ? Is it even raidable? Or ist the dmg output even with penetration gear beacause of the nature resistances too low?
I would join Tomaka's discord on this question. Apparently, they are not worried about AQ because the resistances are no where near as high than on private servers
I actually got rank 3 on Chromaggus, in the beginning. Entirely meaningless but it still felt good ^^ That being said, I never considered meleeing the boss. I just downrank lightning bolt for when he isn't vulnerable to anything I have (so basically for arcane and shadow vuln) and then twist fire totems for fire vuln, frost shock for frost vuln and cooldowns + max rank bolts for nature vuln. But I guess I should join the melees up front and do auto hits while shocking and twisting.
As much as I want to switch from Resto to Ele. I currently top BWL/MC healing only using 15-20 Major Mana pots and 10 Nightfin Soup per raid. That is dirt cheap investment
Would you say enhance is top dps behind the scenes with the amount of bonus damage windfury provides to all melee on top of the classes own damage? shit probably adds up just doesnt show on paper...
42:00 At 400-500 spellpower, lightning bolt starts deadling more damage per cast than chain lightning. But yeah, the dps is still higher with chain lightning.
Гайд не учитывает один важный момент, которым пользуется Jahvahn в бою, а это наличие в рейде приста и друида, которые кидают на него power infusion и innervate, что повышает урон и позволяет дольше не просыхать по мане. Плюс не каждый игрок может позволить себе в каждый рейд покупать фласку на 150 spd из-за чрезмерно высокой цены.
anyone know if the range from storm reach and the zandalar set stack?
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It's rly a shame that for serious parses u need to go actual extra mile as Ele Shammy. The cost of every raid to be few hundreds of gold... not everyone can afford that :D I might go heal in the end actually because of this
ah and these gear sterotypes last even till this day where warlocks and mages who get get blue parses are still funneled gear compared to "meme" specs pulling purple and orange parses
its weird you would list troll as best for the PVE with bez, but i play a taurin and have huge HUGE mana issues on long or even relitively short fights... so having spell haste when im already having to down rank feels like a negative more than a positive. i do understand that you can get out more spells and such in trinket popped times, and i do get as we all get more gear fights are faster so its less of an issue, meaning it may only be a temp issue I will also say you discount war stomp almost entirely in PVE and when im getting in for a fire nova totem/magma totem on big AOE packs i will use it a lot, and its supprising but a lot of badguys even in raids can be stunned by it, so if you over aggro or even if a partymember over aggro's it can be so usefull.
Discussion around 15:00-17:00 is moot. You can just put a Resto shaman in that 4-warlock group, get tranquil air, and have a healer to boot. Not really a point in favour of Ele. It's a point in favour of Shaman in general, which guilds already love anyway.
It depends on how many resto shamans and total healers you want in your raid. With 10 healers, it means 30 people needs totems (dps+tanks) so 7x4=7 groups if you sacrifice 2. But if you run the typical setup of 6 shamans, 3 priests, 1 druid, then the ele shaman can be the 7th one, in a group with mages and warlocks.
Additionally, the Elemental shaman boosts that group's DPS from what it was with 5 locks producing ~80% output. 4 locks at 100% plus the ele damage> 5 locks at limited output.
@@DefcampMelderonTV - I want to to be clear that I'm not trying to slag on Ele, or any hybrid style class. I play one. However that's still fallacious reasoning due to ignoring the larger argument. You've created a false dichotomy. By putting a Resto in that group, you still have the locks at "~100% output". That doesn't magically change if it's an Ele. And thus, you can have all the locks primed _and_ have a "better" DPS in another slot in the raid -- by having a Resto perform the role you're describing. The _only_ time this argument applies is if you're already overfull on healers in the manner Tomaka describes.
@@smallpseudonym2844 That's what Tomaka said. We are not arguing that point. However, 4 locks at 100% DPS + the ele's DPS > 5 Locks at 80%. There's no false dichotomy here, its just numbers. IF you want to see the math breakdown, I have a slide on my other elemental guide
However, I can do something easy: let's pretend a lock's DPS at 100% capacity is 100 DPS. 5 locks in a group w/o TAT would be producing 80 DPS (80% capacity due to having to reduce damage b/c of threat) each for a total of 400 DPS. 4 locks at 100% capacity at 100 DPS each with TAT = 400 DPS, the same. If there is a resto shaman, there is no additional DPS. Now, we replace with an ele that can produce 50 DPS. The group now produces 450 DPS. Either way you cut it, 450 > 400. I hope this helps
BS, it would no benefit you to bring a shammy instead of an extra warlock to increase overall raid damage the ONLY thing you are doing is gimping your self with increasing every individual warlocks threat to Pump its way better to divide the treat among the warlocks but to Push out more. there is Zero point of having a hybrid take a dps slot. that shammy is Not fighting over a warlock slot in raid hes taking that friendly mage slot that been so nice in raids and are there as a gimic.
Make sure to visit Jahvahn and Tomaka on the Elemental Shaman Discord: discord.gg/c99hDzA
*Timestamps*
01:04 - Guest Introduction
02:35 - Table of Contents
03:03 - Who are we?
03:24 - Log Review
08:19 - Why bring an Elemental Shaman to Raid?
18:18 - Race and Profession Selection
26:31 - Talent Builds
40:23 - Rotations
49:41 - Using the Spreadsheet for Stat Weights, DPS, & Gearing
1:00:42 - Stat Weights Discussion
1:04:16 - World Buffs
1:08:50 - Consumables
1:13:40 - Molten Core Boss Strategy
1:14:58 - Blackwing Lair Boss Strategy
1:25:07 - Conclusions and Summary %
Do I have to be an engineer? I went skinning/LW
Once again, Melderon shows why he is our Warchief with these guides.
I've been waiting for a new guide on Ele shamans. Because nothing of the others are out dated or pvp Guides . Crazy
This spreadsheet tool looks amazing, total game changer for optimal output in raid
i cant find the spreadsheet in discord... can u help me?
YaY another guide! Thanks for all time you've put into these guides. I'm still shit at playing shamans though LOL.
I am glad I found this guide as I am split right now and my guild is pushing me into Resto. There counter to Ele is that I will be OOM half way through the fight. What do I need to do to prevent that? (as of writing this we are currently in Phase 3 of SoM)
And again, thanks man for this awsome guide, i love this stuff! I didn't know the EM / Spellbath thing, insane!!!
Any chance of getting a quick update on this for all the SoM changes? Would love to see it. Played sham on private servers, played rogue for classic and didn't like it, and coming back to shaman for SoM
He isn’t making any UA-cam updates :/ this is still super useable !
You can very easily use totems in suppression room. All the shaman use them in our raids and there are never problems. You just reset them every time you move forward
you are assuming everyone has common sense lol. Trust me, its seems easy to me too. Yet, people mess up a lot
@@DefcampMelderonTV You don't need common sense. You just need 3 guildies yelling about totems :)
And a totem timer
Thanks for the shaman vids. Shaman forever
Ya I drop new totems in each stop area.
Thanks to you guys i ended rolling 60 ele shaman, soon in bwl bis and a 39 ench with PoD, best class in game thanks for educating me😁
7:00 I found that a middle of the road approach is best for ele shaman dps logs. If your guild is just fast enough to let you not go oom but also slow enough for you to get use out of your trinkets and doesn't keep pulling constantly, that's probably ideal. This is mainly bc you need to drink more often and need to drop combat to do so and bc you need to place your totems that often (which are a factor concerning the mana issue and concerning no dps GCDs). I had, a few weeks ago, the 2nd highest dps in the world, if you looked at trash + bosses while being sth like 30th on just bosses in a 90 minute BWL run or so. That was with me out dps-ing all other casters and some physicals. Now that group is down to 60 minutes and, my dps plumetted and a few warlocks and mages have surpassed me. (also yeah, not a crazy fast time... try getting an ele alt into a main raid somewhere, lol)
Though I guess that's more of a speed clear vs normal clear thing rather than kill speed, per se.
If TBC comes out, I am planning on Drenai elemental shaman.
that extra hit is soooo nice
*Draenei
Thanks for your Videos Melderon! One thing I am wondering about since I got my elemental on 60 is, what about AQ? Is it even raidable? Or ist the dmg output even with penetration gear beacause of the nature resistances too low?
I would join Tomaka's discord on this question. Apparently, they are not worried about AQ because the resistances are no where near as high than on private servers
Also, there is a ton of spell penetration for shaman in AQ20 and 40
@@DefcampMelderonTV Thank you so much man!
This is very helpful for when i hit 40 and respec to Elemental
I actually got rank 3 on Chromaggus, in the beginning. Entirely meaningless but it still felt good ^^
That being said, I never considered meleeing the boss. I just downrank lightning bolt for when he isn't vulnerable to anything I have (so basically for arcane and shadow vuln) and then twist fire totems for fire vuln, frost shock for frost vuln and cooldowns + max rank bolts for nature vuln. But I guess I should join the melees up front and do auto hits while shocking and twisting.
Awesome shaman content ♥
Time to study again :)
As much as I want to switch from Resto to Ele.
I currently top BWL/MC healing only using 15-20 Major Mana pots and 10 Nightfin Soup per raid.
That is dirt cheap investment
Yeah I know exactly what you mean
Elemental shaman is so cool, thinking about playing one some day.
Are you planning to do a rogue Masterclass? That would be great!
Personally agree very much
Awesome guide, thanks for this. Will it be released in podcast format like the Warrior guide so we can listen to it at work?
where can i get that spreadsheet to sim my character??? i really need it!! T_T
Now how do they compare without world buffs? Along with every class? Example I believe hunters rank higher with everyone not world buffed
Is there a tank shaman discord?
Would you say enhance is top dps behind the scenes with the amount of bonus damage windfury provides to all melee on top of the classes own damage? shit probably adds up just doesnt show on paper...
Yo thanks for this guide. Question, do you think an ele / resto shaman does well enough in raids as a healer?
depends on your raid. Most raids, you can heal totally fine
@@DefcampMelderonTV sweet, ty
@@samuelzaky9531 np but just realize you should not tank heal with this spec
How to get top parses: Be in a fast guild and get fed PI.
With a faster clear time an ele sham would get prio for PI. I think they explained how in shorter fights the burst is more valuable.
True, but faster guilds also have less downtime so you cant keep up either way mana wise
so with som realising people are saing buff meme speaks so what are the problems with Shaman dps ? is it rile just mana?
Innervate all the elemental shamans!
how valuable is -resistance as a stat for elemental shaman?
Awesome guide, but what does weighed stats mean?
Is there a way to get my hands on the gear sheet that they're reviewing?
Join their discord, link in description
@@DefcampMelderonTV I joined the discord and still cant see all the channels, I pmd Tomaka and no response
@@slipup4441 check their faq, you have to click an emote
Do a Elemental Shaman gearing video. And is it better to get 5 piece t2 for that 3% crit or is it better to get different pieces of epics from raids ?
Just take all your gear off with outfitter and then equip it again for short fights.
1:23:30 I'd go fire nova totem into sapper into improved ankh. Fire nova + sapper usually does 30-40% of my dmg on that fight ^^
When is the tool going to be ready?! Been waiting since the deep warrior huife
Little late to the Party, but what will you do in AQ? Arent most if not every Boss nature resistant/immune?
will u all update this?
42:00 At 400-500 spellpower, lightning bolt starts deadling more damage per cast than chain lightning. But yeah, the dps is still higher with chain lightning.
I think they were accounting for can't time and travel time as CL is obviously faster cast and instant travel!
Гайд не учитывает один важный момент, которым пользуется Jahvahn в бою, а это наличие в рейде приста и друида, которые кидают на него power infusion и innervate, что повышает урон и позволяет дольше не просыхать по мане. Плюс не каждый игрок может позволить себе в каждый рейд покупать фласку на 150 spd из-за чрезмерно высокой цены.
anyone know if the range from storm reach and the zandalar set stack?
It's rly a shame that for serious parses u need to go actual extra mile as Ele Shammy. The cost of every raid to be few hundreds of gold... not everyone can afford that :D I might go heal in the end actually because of this
ah and these gear sterotypes last even till this day where warlocks and mages who get get blue parses are still funneled gear compared to "meme" specs pulling purple and orange parses
its weird you would list troll as best for the PVE with bez, but i play a taurin and have huge HUGE mana issues on long or even relitively short fights... so having spell haste when im already having to down rank feels like a negative more than a positive. i do understand that you can get out more spells and such in trinket popped times, and i do get as we all get more gear fights are faster so its less of an issue, meaning it may only be a temp issue
I will also say you discount war stomp almost entirely in PVE and when im getting in for a fire nova totem/magma totem on big AOE packs i will use it a lot, and its supprising but a lot of badguys even in raids can be stunned by it, so if you over aggro or even if a partymember over aggro's it can be so usefull.
it's literally the ONLY racial that improves your DPS. Whats there to argue?
Does this spreadsheet exist anymore? I've joined the discord and can't find it.
45:50 in my experience i recieve the clearcasting as i hit, not as i finish the cast...
Pretty sure it happens as you cast, LB is pretty quick so the "reactable" distance for determining if it's on hit or cast is pretty close.
very strange, its on cast completion for me. First I am hearing of this
You must be lagging or something. It literally says in the talent description "...after CASTING any Fire, Frost, or Nature damage spell."
im trying to find a guild that will take me...wow this is soul crushing
can you make a guide on this
Discussion around 15:00-17:00 is moot. You can just put a Resto shaman in that 4-warlock group, get tranquil air, and have a healer to boot. Not really a point in favour of Ele. It's a point in favour of Shaman in general, which guilds already love anyway.
It depends on how many resto shamans and total healers you want in your raid.
With 10 healers, it means 30 people needs totems (dps+tanks) so 7x4=7 groups if you sacrifice 2.
But if you run the typical setup of 6 shamans, 3 priests, 1 druid, then the ele shaman can be the 7th one, in a group with mages and warlocks.
Additionally, the Elemental shaman boosts that group's DPS from what it was with 5 locks producing ~80% output. 4 locks at 100% plus the ele damage> 5 locks at limited output.
@@DefcampMelderonTV - I want to to be clear that I'm not trying to slag on Ele, or any hybrid style class. I play one. However that's still fallacious reasoning due to ignoring the larger argument. You've created a false dichotomy. By putting a Resto in that group, you still have the locks at "~100% output". That doesn't magically change if it's an Ele. And thus, you can have all the locks primed _and_ have a "better" DPS in another slot in the raid -- by having a Resto perform the role you're describing.
The _only_ time this argument applies is if you're already overfull on healers in the manner Tomaka describes.
@@smallpseudonym2844 That's what Tomaka said. We are not arguing that point. However, 4 locks at 100% DPS + the ele's DPS > 5 Locks at 80%. There's no false dichotomy here, its just numbers. IF you want to see the math breakdown, I have a slide on my other elemental guide
However, I can do something easy: let's pretend a lock's DPS at 100% capacity is 100 DPS. 5 locks in a group w/o TAT would be producing 80 DPS (80% capacity due to having to reduce damage b/c of threat) each for a total of 400 DPS. 4 locks at 100% capacity at 100 DPS each with TAT = 400 DPS, the same. If there is a resto shaman, there is no additional DPS. Now, we replace with an ele that can produce 50 DPS. The group now produces 450 DPS. Either way you cut it, 450 > 400. I hope this helps
Wow. You guys know this is a game, right?
BS, it would no benefit you to bring a shammy instead of an extra warlock to increase overall raid damage the ONLY thing you are doing is gimping your self with increasing every individual warlocks threat to Pump its way better to divide the treat among the warlocks but to Push out more. there is Zero point of having a hybrid take a dps slot. that shammy is Not fighting over a warlock slot in raid hes taking that friendly mage slot that been so nice in raids and are there as a gimic.
Ele generally do more damage than locks, bro, especially in shorter fights
they Guide that no one will understand