Classic WoW Advanced Shaman Guide 1 of 2 (Stats, Weapon Buffs, Coefficients, DpME/HpME, Totems)

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  • @DefcampMelderonTV
    @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +32

    Click "Read More" to see Timestamps and Errata. Slides available at: drive.google.com/open?id=1mkM9osebqWXWKdJhr8CkhcWa7tcK0ZMlmNdzr7h9KBA
    Data spreadsheet available at: drive.google.com/open?id=1pdL6F2iziFyBl_VHRSsiuFvY6T05bMdGRiIXG2ZbqMk
    Timestamps:
    00:04 - Introductions
    00:45 - Stat Contributions
    02:08 - Example Calculations: Spirit and Armor
    03:14 - How to Determine Weapon Upgrades
    04:37 - Hit Caps and Shaman Racial Stats
    06:36 - Other Things to Consider
    07:00 - Introduction to Spell Coefficients
    08:54 - Example Spell Coefficient Calculation
    10:25 - Shaman are all about Choice!
    11:08 - Calculating DpME and HpME
    12:41 - Shocks
    14:29 - Earth Shock
    16:18 - Flame Shock
    18:10 - Frost Shock
    19:33 - Weapon Buffs
    22:00 - Rockbiter Weapon
    23:58 - Flametongue Weapon
    25:02 - Frostbrand Weapon
    26:44 - Windfury Weapon
    28:13 - Introduction to ANOVA (Analysis of Variance)
    29:48 - ANOVA Example
    31:48 - Average Weapon Buff Comparison
    33:48 - Weapon Buffs across Weapon Speeds
    36:53 - Reviewing Previous Results
    38:01 - What Matters when Choosing Weapon Buffs
    41:16 - Lightning Spells and Abilities
    41:48 - Lightning Spell Talents
    42:17 - Lightning Bolt
    43:45 - Lightning Bolt Low Rank Coefficients
    45:04 - Chain Lightning
    46:41 - Lightning Shield
    48:33 - Healing Spells and Totems
    49:14 - Healing Spell Talents
    49:41 - Healing Wave
    51:12 - Healing Wave Low Rank Coefficients
    51:42 - Lesser Healing Wave
    52:12 - Chain Heal
    53:53 - Healing Stream Totem
    54:54 - Fire Totem Stats
    56:04 - Advanced Totem Mechanics
    56:26 - Earthbind Kiting
    59:10 - Totem Twisting Introduction
    01:00:02 - How to Totem Twist
    01:01:44 - Totem Twisting Benefits
    01:02:21 - Totem Twisting Discussion
    01:05:01 - Breaking Even with Mana Spring Totem
    01:05:50 - Shaman Tidbits
    01:09:32 - Other Shaman Content
    01:10:49 - Conclusions and Interesting Links
    ***** ERRATA: Elemental Fury DOES increase the critical strike damage bonus of Flametongue Weapon and Frostbrand weapon to 100% 19:33

    • @DarknessReaver
      @DarknessReaver 5 років тому +3

      Damn, I never knew we had all those anti-rogues measures, and I was positively surprised that the FB Weapon buff finally got the love it deserved! Shamans truly never stop to learn...
      It will be hard to raise the bar even further than this amazing guide Defcamp & Melderon TV, keep up the great content!

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +2

      @@DarknessReaver Thanks so much! Yup, no one ever talks about FB. I'm going to use it more now!

    • @Zutraxi
      @Zutraxi 5 років тому

      Things like spell coificient and stuff of that nature, is it tested on private servers?
      The wording makes it sound like we are not sure of things exactly, meaning we tested and found some approximate.
      But classic is so different, I heard some people had forgotten that bosses had different armour values compared to private servers where bosses have a universal value.
      And I have heard private servers have had to fiddle with a lot of things because they missed the base data, such as coificients and how the spell damage applied to stuff like regrowth with two separate components.

    • @terrificlife1576
      @terrificlife1576 5 років тому

      51:42 i dont understand... from the graph i ca see the Lesser is MORE EFFICIENT....HPME for rank 1 is 1.66 and for Healing wave is 1.56....

    • @stuff4812
      @stuff4812 5 років тому

      I don't know if you still look at this video but theres a part where you say the ghost wolf can proc your weapon enhancements. this is not true in the live classic version of the game. You may have said this in an updated video but that's a lot of searching lol

  • @Hafaechaes
    @Hafaechaes 5 років тому +340

    You're completely smashing the notion of "We know everything there is to know about Classic". To me, this is what a proper guide looks like. It's super nerdy and has a shitton of math to sink your teeth into, it's long and arduous yet very fulfilling to plow through and thus completely representative of the Vanilla spirit. I love it. You can be very proud of yourself!

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +14

      Wow! Thank you

    • @dokstrange6891
      @dokstrange6891 5 років тому +1

      This was known info back in vanilla. In totem section, you show GCD 1.5s, but I'm pretty sure it was reduced to 1.0s (for totems only) by the time 1.12 came.

  • @Nerobyrne
    @Nerobyrne 5 років тому +240

    Came for the Shaman guide.
    Stayed for Statistics 101.

  • @PlatinumWoW
    @PlatinumWoW 5 років тому +133

    Damn, I just got schooled by the Def and Mel boys...
    Great in-depth guide guys! If you plan to play a shaman this is a must watch!

  • @phatboi716
    @phatboi716 5 років тому +34

    My dude, this is so big brain its insane. I was struggling with which class and race combination, and after watching this ive decided on an orc shaman. Good shit my dude.

    • @BestWafflesEUW
      @BestWafflesEUW 5 років тому +3

      Going elemental troll shaman. Want that haste :3.
      See you in azeroth my dude

  • @Roachsnoozethinksboutit
    @Roachsnoozethinksboutit 5 років тому +9

    This is my favorite piece of classic WoW content ever created. You should be ready proud of how this turned out.

  • @imreantalfy6817
    @imreantalfy6817 4 роки тому +1

    Wow. WOW! As a data scientist which just recently got into vanilla, i came here for some answers, and then got an ANOVA model. This is legendary

  • @lenslo223
    @lenslo223 5 років тому +2

    As a shaman player for 8 years and who only plays Shaman alone, I had a complete refresh of the class by this video. Thank you!

  • @Rykenwolf
    @Rykenwolf 5 років тому +62

    Additionally for ghost wolf, makes you a beast, meaning you can't be sapped by a rogue (no longer humanoid - great for guarding pvp flags), but can be subject to hunter's Scare Beast fear. Rare but has happened to me!

    • @Drooper99
      @Drooper99 5 років тому +5

      I assume then you can also be hibernated by a druid? or no?

    • @MrHupo
      @MrHupo 5 років тому +3

      @@Drooper99 yes you can

    • @antoninjanku3358
      @antoninjanku3358 5 років тому +1

      Wow, this is so cool! :O

    • @Johbe1110
      @Johbe1110 5 років тому +2

      Additionally you can't be mind controlled by pesky ally priests to jump off the moving boat in ratschet. Always stay safe bois

    • @YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe
      @YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe 5 років тому

      Hell yeah mon i'm the beast

  • @Gajada-_-
    @Gajada-_- 5 років тому +3

    Was very shy to go into classic wanting to play a shaman but after watching this you’ve convinced me that it’s gonna be a fun and versatile class with potential in every aspect of wow, thank you.

  • @outlandergoods5706
    @outlandergoods5706 5 років тому +5

    You guys rock, I absolutely love to see someone dive SO deep into my favorite class across so many videos. I scour the internet for stuff like this about the shaman. Keep it up gentlemen. Nice work.

  • @Misteradams1
    @Misteradams1 5 років тому

    Default --> Baseline is the word you were looking for, I think. Excellent guide. I don't even plan on playing a Shaman and I still watched it. Just fantastic.

  • @winsause555
    @winsause555 5 років тому +198

    order of operations? me not that kind of orc

    • @Williaem00
      @Williaem00 5 років тому +1

      you peon!

    • @Blargshark1231
      @Blargshark1231 4 роки тому +2

      Just wait til you get to the rockbiter vs windfury vs flametongue analysis

  • @Sleepyjackable
    @Sleepyjackable 5 років тому +1

    Pretty dope that you gave a huge shoutout to everyone at the end. Really cool guide, I'll have to watch it a couple times to absorb all this info!

  • @shtev2218
    @shtev2218 5 років тому +38

    Damn, bringing out the STATISTICS!
    10/10

    • @janekgreen
      @janekgreen 5 років тому +1

      I knew those statistics lectures will be useful in life 😁

  • @kaspertheut5708
    @kaspertheut5708 5 років тому +1

    Really got me hyped on trying to apply for raiding as enhancement shaman dishing out the Totem Twisting like a proper melee support - thanks for this awesome guide!

  • @Vapir87
    @Vapir87 5 років тому +4

    Thank you for your service Melderon! Always keeping me hyped for Classic!

  • @EuanTownsLindroos
    @EuanTownsLindroos 5 років тому

    This is the best wow guide I have ever come across. Convinced me to play shaman in classic after lots of indecision. Also made use of the stats papers I did at uni. Thank you so much for all the effort you put into your guides they are so helpful!

  • @AD-uw6bd
    @AD-uw6bd 5 років тому

    This is by far the most thorough Class guide I have ever seen. A+.

  • @cosmiclightning1695
    @cosmiclightning1695 5 років тому +2

    Little late to the party but just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this guide! I planned on rolling shaman as my main in classic and this guide is so very useful and informative.

  • @edwardelric4427
    @edwardelric4427 5 років тому +1

    Finally! I waited so long for such a comprehensive and detailed guide like that. Can't praise you guys enough for all the effort you've obviously put in this! That's just insane and such a generous gesture towards the WoW community. Big thanks from Germany!

  • @jarofpickles4057
    @jarofpickles4057 2 роки тому

    47:46 Randomly watching this video years later and this tip totally just blew my mind haha. I'm leveling a shaman currently and really haven't been using lightning shield at all, since it's felt kind of awkward trying to keep it up. I'll definitely be integrating it more from now on.

  • @Stratoshev
    @Stratoshev 5 років тому

    I feel so proud that I started doing shaman kiting with earthbind by myself. It was an amazing discovery and could not find guides talking about it :P. That was like 8 months ago. The process was the same... after lvling a Warrior and kiting with Harmstring... I suddenly realized I could do the same with my favourite class.. the shaman

  • @classict.j.1311
    @classict.j.1311 5 років тому +2

    Melderon, you absolute monster. This video is everything a shaman player needs!

  • @aussierule
    @aussierule 4 роки тому

    Damn this is really really good information I cant find on any other video. Im trying to level a Shaman seriously as the class really resonates with me. I play a holy priest which is great but man I should have rolled shaman from the start. I didn't think it would feel this good in Classic. Can't wait to start raid healing! Thank you for all your videos. This one and the 4 hour shaman masterclass especially.

  • @JonteTheMoose
    @JonteTheMoose 5 років тому

    In awe of how much work must've gone into this. Really enjoyed watching!

  • @ClaudeLeGOAT
    @ClaudeLeGOAT 5 років тому

    First time viewer, just wanted to let you know that I greatly appreciate the efforts and the quality in your video. Definitly going to watch more of your content and share it with my WoW related friends. Keep it up, great fucking video!

  • @zachd7695
    @zachd7695 5 років тому +1

    If you divide X by y and add in the coefficient of 13 and multiply that by 13 then divide the PEMDAS method of X and Y congrats man you just gained +1 sub

  • @gerardadri9389
    @gerardadri9389 4 роки тому

    I never expected to see SPSS show up in my hobbys. Great presentation, much appreciated.

  • @gatherer8053
    @gatherer8053 5 років тому

    Haven’t played shaman ever, caught end of BC raiding, and got server first LK 10 on server, never played anything but Hunter & DK and Feral Druid. I was really considering a caster for classic. Glad to know I’ll be a enh shaman smashing faces and totem twisting my way to AQ thanks to this guide!

  • @trendkillcfh
    @trendkillcfh 5 років тому +9

    Shammies aren't really my deal but great info man, would love to see a full breakdown of some other classes like this

  • @VictorAraujo17
    @VictorAraujo17 5 років тому +2

    Amazing job, Meld! Probably the best guide for shamans on UA-cam. It's a pity that don't work to me because i'm a alliance player hehehe Keep doing that great job, brother.

  • @typicalzen6149
    @typicalzen6149 5 років тому +2

    GUYS this is Retadinftw! I was listening to Ep 91 and Defcamp mentioned me and my comment/video about leveling in SM for 20 levels! OMG guys that felt amazing hearing my name being shouted out omg thank you!

  • @AleehFM94
    @AleehFM94 5 років тому +1

    This is beyond amazing. I can't wait to try the things I just learned in the game and realize that I just suck!

  • @ThedangdiggityKeough
    @ThedangdiggityKeough 5 років тому

    Incredible guide for all of us shamans playing classic. Good work.

  • @nostepsnek1776
    @nostepsnek1776 5 років тому +2

    I was about to mention that windfury synergizes with flurry and if it didn't pull ahead on those tests it must mean it was using flurry but still didn't pull ahead. Then he mentioned it in the video, well done sir.
    Another note, lightning shield damage causes spell pushback to enemies casting on the shaman.
    Ghostwolf is susceptible to hunter's scare beast.

  • @gfefe74
    @gfefe74 5 років тому

    Awesome guide, this and the other shaman related ones from you guys.
    Just for those who don't know yet two months into classic, the earthbind kiting, hamstring kiting etc. doesn't work in classic. Blizz must have felt that it is sort of cheating or at least an exploit so they intentionally stopped it from working. The second time you come back to hit the mob, the slow will just fall off of it.

  • @mojotmn
    @mojotmn 5 років тому

    This is the best guide I've ever seen. Thanks a lot, mate! 👍
    Million likes

  • @MagGi41
    @MagGi41 5 років тому

    Wow - tuned in while eating and really had to watch the entire guide. Very informative and very well presented accordingly. Thank you for putting so much effort in this guide.

  • @Blargshark1231
    @Blargshark1231 4 роки тому

    Thank you for all the statistical analysis! Very impressive

  • @sildinis
    @sildinis 5 років тому +2

    I believe the level required (spell level as opposed to spell rank) is also a component of spell coefficients. This would be why your theory vs tests coefficients vary so much, and seem to vary more the lower the spell rank is.
    Thanks for the detailed analysis and guides. I find the data on weapon enhancements to be especially interesting. Interesting that in a world of min-maxing we have something that essentially only differs in flavor. Very cool.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +1

      Apparently it has something to do with spells that are learned below level 20 having lower coefficients.

    • @sildinis
      @sildinis 5 років тому +1

      @@DefcampMelderonTV I'm curious if there is a scaling coefficient difference between rank 4 (the earliest 3sec rank I think) and the highest rank (whichever one drops from AQ). Is this something you happen to have tested?

  • @Pytliczello
    @Pytliczello 5 років тому +1

    At level 52 you taught me that I can use Grace of Air Totem while leveling so you have my attention master💪

  • @sleepmetal7474
    @sleepmetal7474 12 днів тому

    By the way, lower p values don’t indicate more confidence. You can only interpret the p value insofar as rejecting or accepting a null hypothesis. You can read “misuse of p values” for more info.

  • @mikaelrusin1596
    @mikaelrusin1596 5 років тому

    I appreciate the base stats - I had been looking for these. Was hard to make a cohesive overlay - predicated based off of Race, without a level 60 Snapshot.
    I have begun works at refining a form of Spreadsheet simulator - albeit, my field is rogue - I still did enjoy Shamans in Vanilla.
    Thumbs up, man.

  • @impcus2752
    @impcus2752 5 років тому

    Thanks for this video, I am historically an alliance player but want an interesting Horde alt for classic, and I decided Shaman would be a good challenge. This video has proven extremely useful in helping me figure out how to go about that. All the best

  • @illbean1337
    @illbean1337 5 років тому +3

    Love the video, some small notes however from the information that i've been able to gather myself through reading online and talking to other (assumably) knowledgeable players.
    1. Lower SpellCoeff for the LB ranks 1-3 is beacause of the x silence. She can target the searing totem if placed correctly meaning that u save ur team from quite a lot of hassle.
    7. Purification (resto talent) only provides it's bonus heal on the base spell and doesn't take healing+ into account, making it less usefull. Jst something to keep in mind.
    8. Healing Way (resto talent) can be provided by any shaman in the raid, meaning if only 1 shaman has it, all others gain the benefit (just like Winters Chill).
    9. While DPSing as Enhanc in raids, Frost Shock is the shock to use (if u're using any at all) as it stacks with mages Winters Chill
    10. Pretty sure u mentioned this in the totem guide, but if i remember correctly it wasn't clear enough. Grounding Totem soaks up targeted spells on u or on nearby partymembers. This includes Poly + Counterspell. However, if the totem doesn't take damage, it will remain up and become active again after a few seconds soaking up ANOTHER spell. (felt this needed to be emphasized)
    11. Eye of the Storm procs from getting critted, that means (atleast on LH and Nortdale) that u can force crit by sitting down to proc the effect, remains to be seen on classic as some people have argued that crit procs should only happen while standing up.
    Last but not least, i've always been a HUGE shaman fan, always will be. I'll be maining shaman in Classic, gonna level either tank or slow 2h with EB kiting til 40 where i'll swap to ele (most likely) and then finally raid as Enhanc shaman using Nightfall (despite people looking down on it and using NF Hunters as a counter argument). Again, thanks hella lot for providing all of this information (despite knowing 95% of it already), it's always super interesting to listen to and follow and praise u for sharing all of this with the less knowledgeable players.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +1

      1.) I've heard that as well, However, there is no penalty for Healing Wave Rank 4 which is learned at level 18.
      2.) Good point
      3.) Yeah I should have mentioned SS in here somewhere
      4.) Yes, horrible wording yet again. I wonder if they will fix the tooltip
      5.) I think GW is best to run down targets and players or to just get certain things done, like you've already mentioned
      6.) Ah, excellent point! I did not mention that. I'll be sure to do that next shaman guide!
      7.) Yeah figured that, good clarification though
      8.) Excellent point I did not mention!
      9.) WoW! Yes!
      10.) Yes. I tried to explain this in the last guide but it may not have come across very well. Thanks
      11.) I think we have confirmation that this will not be coming to Classic. But, yup, great point!

  • @Loon65
    @Loon65 5 років тому +2

    I didn't think we could get even more in depth but you achieved it! Learned a lot from this...I will utilize it in my travels. What you found out about the weapon buffs is interesting and frostbrand did more then I had once though too! Aren't Shamans great?!

  • @cohans124
    @cohans124 4 роки тому +1

    This is the best stats class I have ever taken! :)

  • @markrainey1042
    @markrainey1042 5 років тому

    Great Guide! Keep up the good work! Would love to see a video with your math breakdown explaining the Earthfury set with an emphasis on the 5/8 and 8/8 set bonuses. I had this set on Lightbringer and found it to be extremely good.

  • @adventuuresofalifetime
    @adventuuresofalifetime 5 років тому +1

    this video deserve 1 mil. views! all that stats u did..its absolutlely demential. +1 sub.

  • @Killzun
    @Killzun 5 років тому

    Lots of time and good work invested in this guide. It is truly much appreciated! Thank you.

  • @theshaman4918
    @theshaman4918 5 років тому

    great guide. i main shaman since 04 and this was a great refresher for classic! thanks a lot

  • @emarskineel
    @emarskineel 5 років тому +3

    Wow so much I didn't lmpw about my favorite class, thanks dawg

  • @fandabidozi3191
    @fandabidozi3191 5 років тому +1

    Well done guys, great video. I wish someone would go into this level of detail for priests.

  • @ZblockWoW
    @ZblockWoW 5 років тому +1

    This is amazing. I can’t wait to play Vanilla again 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @Tricegames
    @Tricegames 5 років тому

    Never played shaman in vanilla but you got a sub man this guide was amazing

  • @evereststrength
    @evereststrength 5 років тому +1

    Wow man - crazy nice guide. I can imagine the time that went into this and gz on an amazing accomplishment and sweet job to everyone assisting you, we can do so much more when we work together, well done melderon

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому

      Thank you! And, yes collaboration just makes us all stronger

  • @Jive33
    @Jive33 5 років тому

    Please make an advanced guide just like this for every class. It’s all I want for Christmas

  • @Lizard1582
    @Lizard1582 5 років тому +4

    I was unsure of rolling a shaman, but now i'm sure i'll be making a shaman once classic drops.

  • @vladudrea9747
    @vladudrea9747 5 років тому +68

    Damn, and people say they make advanced guides in 13 minutes.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +6

      I could have shortened if but I felt I'd be doing you all a disservice

    • @vladudrea9747
      @vladudrea9747 5 років тому +6

      @@DefcampMelderonTV Don't you dare, it's amazing as it is

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +1

      @@vladudrea9747 thank you :)

    • @illbean1337
      @illbean1337 5 років тому

      @@DefcampMelderonTV Yea, if anything, it should be longer but spit into multiple videos.

  • @DrTempesta
    @DrTempesta 5 років тому

    This is the best wow video i've ever seen.

  • @killsticktdn6762
    @killsticktdn6762 5 років тому +2

    Some stuff I want to point out/ask your opinion on:
    - While leveling Flame Shock actually needs 3 ticks to consistently beat Frost and Earth Shock (whichever is the best alternative at that level) in DpME.
    - Flame Shock is indeed your highest damage shock. However the ticks, which make up the larger part of Flame Shock’s damage, can’t crit. So high crit builds with Elemental Fury might might want to use another shock.
    - While leveling Lightning Bolt is still your most mana-efficient spell (after ofcourse a Searing Totem with enough ticks) if all spells are untalented. Only Lightning Shield can pass it if you talent Improved Lightning Shield.
    - About Searing Totem; while the full duration DpME increases each rank, the DpME of each single tick actually drops each rank! Meaning you need to get more hits out of your Searing Totem at higher ranks to pass Lightning Bolt (from 3 hits at rank 1 to 7 hits at higher levels)
    - Whats your opinion on using R1 Frost Shock to melee kite at higher levels? It has a fixed cost vs the percentage based cost of Earthbind. It also adds flexibility vs having to kite mobs to your totem which does add up if you are killing hundreds of mobs while leveling.
    - Are you sure Lightning Shield cannot crit?
    - Are you sure all weapon enchants can proc in Ghost Wolf? I only remember the attack power from Rockbiter effecting me in Ghost Wolf.
    - Could you check out this post I made about the interaction between Windfury and Flurry (procing and consuming the buff)? www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/a22wf0/windfury_and_flurry/
    - While leveling to check if Strentgh of Earth or Grace of Air are worth it to drop you could check how much damage you would do if you had used that amount of mana on Lightning Bolt.
    - Magma totem has a slightly smaller range than Fire Nova totem.
    - DpME isn’t everything. You should always take the DPS of your spells into the equation aswell.
    - If you are going to do another leveling guide I would be more interested to see more emphasis on rotations rather than talent builds. I think you did some weird things with rotations (Chain Lightning on 1 mob without clearcast), gear (Elemental set wasn’t maxed on spelldamage), talents (no Convection in Elemental build) and gameplay (backpeddeling, idling while mob is coming you instead of casting or running to the mob, recasting and long kiting to totems)
    I think pre 40 you can pretty much just theorycraft it. We don’t have spelldamage items or the DpME of higher level spell and talents so killing mobs with just spells (full Elemental) is just not going to work. So you will still mostly melee. However we still have mana so we should use it. And we can just calculate what our most effective spells are (Searing, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Shield). Pre 30 I would always get points into Elemental first because Enhancement just offers so little damage increase. After lvl 30 respec, get full Flurry and the other juice talents.
    At level 40 we can go Elemental (buy all the spelldamage gear you can). Lightning Bolt spam +/sit is the fastest but very expensive because you need to drink to keep up the speed. You can also do a heavy frontload build of Elemental where you do a very heavy pull and finish the mob of with melee.
    For enhancement there is still Rockbiter vs Windfury. With Stormstrike I feel Windfury should pass Rockbiter because you can chose not to cast Stormstrike if your first melee hit on the mob proced Windfury. But still apart from Rockbiter vs Windfury; what spells do we use? Does Stormstrike make Improved Lightning Shield good? Does the use of totems slow us down because we have to kite mobs to them? Do we use Searing Totem at high level if mobs die fast?
    Looking forward to the revisited leveling guide.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому +1

      Wow there is a lot here. I'll do my best to address everything.
      1.) Good point, 3 ticks is a good clarification instead of all 4
      2.) Another excellent point. Frostshock will probably be best in a raid type scenario due to winter's chill
      3.) Thanks also an excellent point, however I don't think most enhance shaman will be using LB, so storing damage in LS, in my opinion makes it more mana efficient as you get a few ticks of mana between mobs usually while its up
      4.) hmm. interesting didn't realize this
      5.) That's a great point! Also, this way you could use SoE totem as well. I'll need to test this out
      6.) In all of my testing, I did not see it crit once (maybe it will in Classic)
      7.) Yeah I checked them all. (as with the previous statement, maybe someone has it wrong)
      8.) As far as I can tell, additional hits from WF do not consume flurry procs (at least on the server I used) - we will have to wait for Classic to see. As far as I can tell, everything MwHighlander stated in that post, I can corroborate.
      9.) Yup, that's a good metric
      10.) Ah, interesting. What are their respective ranges?
      11.) Oh absolutely. I merely calculated them to display the uses for each spell and why they are specific to certain encounters. Also, spell power has huge implications on DpME and HpME which I will be covering soon
      12.) all good points that I will take into consideration. And i will do my best to address them all. The whole stormstrike + LS thing I think will not work in Classic. Meaning I think that LS will remove the stacks of SS. Also +sit will not work in Classic so I will not be testing that. Let me know if there is anything else you feel I missed

    • @killsticktdn6762
      @killsticktdn6762 5 років тому +2

      3) If you are talking enhance I’m taking that as a lvl 40+ build in which case you are right. Pre 40 is always hybrid because you don’t have Stormstrike to use your mana on. In this case Lightning Bolt can/will/should always be used to pull.
      10) 10 yards for Nova, 8 yards for Magma
      11) Indeed. I always cringe when people state that you can only play Elemental from 40 because of talents. Enhance is the same. The best talents are low in the tree and SS lets you play mure melee. But if you invest in a proper spelldamage set which only becomes available at about lvl 40 which gives you 64 +spelldamage the DpME of your Lightning Bolt suddenly goes up by 20%! That together with the increased DpME from higher level spells and talents makes elemental viable. Another nice thing about Lightning Bolt is that you get new ranks a lot faster than most spells and that the raw mana cost is low compared to shocks. So you can really finetune how many you want to use.
      12) I think the whole point is to let Lightning Shield consume your Stormstrike buff (I hope it will consume it and get the benefit and not just delete it). If /sit doesn’t work in Classic I wonder what the fastest way to play Elemental will be. Heavy frontload (always) + Staff RBW and melee kite or + 1H FTW and facetank or kite to cast more Lightning Bolts,…

  • @vkp11220
    @vkp11220 4 роки тому

    Thank you for this, I learned so much 🤯
    Liked and subbed and coming here for my wow classic info from now on!

  • @lukewilliams1024
    @lukewilliams1024 5 років тому

    absolutely smashed this. job well done. thank you for putting in the time and work to put this out. can imagine it was many (hundreds) of hours!

  • @knightrandal
    @knightrandal 5 років тому +1

    This was a great video. Thank you very much. Definetly need more theory crafting on shaman.

  • @TheWouch
    @TheWouch 5 років тому

    This might be the coolest video on the internet. Thanks

  • @theyos88
    @theyos88 5 років тому +4

    Wow, didn't expect to run into ANOVAs again after Uni!

  • @CyborgNinja442
    @CyborgNinja442 5 років тому

    Just wanted to put it out there that I appreciate the hell out of this video. This is top tier quality classic shaman info, and that's coming from a guy who mained a shaman in a raiding guild back then. Lot of stuff I still didn't know in here!
    Also, do y'all have plans for guild and community come classic? I'd love to be in your guild, killing allies and leveling.

  • @sven849
    @sven849 5 років тому +1

    amazing job man, this is high level information and very clear and concise in its presentation

  • @saw141
    @saw141 5 років тому +1

    Absolutely incredible guides. You work so hard, thank you.

  • @MrGoogle87
    @MrGoogle87 5 років тому

    I played enhance shaman mostly during vanilla since start, never heard about totem twisting! Great video, really want to see this for warrior aswell a video like this guide.. !

  • @DESOUL3003
    @DESOUL3003 5 років тому +3

    Problem with kiting 101 is that mob attack range is higher in classic than it was on private servers so you can't really do it effectively. You still get hit almost all the time.

  • @TheVirvar
    @TheVirvar 5 років тому

    Thanks for making this amazingly in-depth guide. Keep up the good work

  • @crepinette10
    @crepinette10 5 років тому

    Bro, the detailled info you explain, the numbers you give, everything is so damn interesting but damn... When you started talking about ANOVA and statistics you implemented into the guide, I think I jizzed a little :/ It's a pleasure to see that some people use R to do stuff like that ;)
    Congrats for that amazing guide

  • @MrOrmanley
    @MrOrmanley 5 років тому +3

    Very interesting concerning the weapon buffs.
    Some open questions for me:
    1) What about overkill? While windfury maybe be overall producing similar numbers to the others, it proccing at the later half of the fight is sure to result in a lot of lost damage, creating inefficiency.
    2) Windfury produces more hits in total, creating more opportunities for crits => more flurry uptime => more hits in the same time period (similar to how faster attack speed hunter pets are preferable for bm hunters for better frenzy uptime). That said, those extra wf attacks consume flurry charges as well, right?
    3) Continuing from 2), do fast weapons have that added benefit of higher flurry uptime if they also consume it faster?
    Putting all of these together, would there be benefit of choosing a fast 2h with windfury for lots of flurry and less overkill? Would result in more damage taken with EBT kiting tho.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 років тому

      1.) Excellent point that I really didn't talk about. I'll be sure to bring that up in newer vids.
      2.) Windfury additional hits do not consume flurry stacks but they can proc it.
      3.) Faster weapons have more chances to proc windfury per unit time but since they have low top ends, it evens out. So yeah, faster weapons have less of a chance to overkill.
      all great points

    • @MrOrmanley
      @MrOrmanley 5 років тому

      Thanks. Were your imbue comparisons based on base skill values, or did they include a certain amount of gear/buffs?
      RB/WF benefit from str/ap and agi/crit of which we see plenty in the form of Strenght of EarthTotem/Grace of Air Totem, gear bonuses, potions and class/world buffs (battleshout/furious howl/true shot/leader of the pack/mark of the wild when leveling with friends or doing dungeons, world buffs like or call of the dragonslayer (assuming you leveling a shaman later on)).
      FT/FB on the other hand scaling of caster gear, I imagine, see much less damage increase outside of talents, considering the scarcity of spellpower/spellcrit on gear or in class/world buffs. Aside from spellpower being rare, the imbues gain little damage from it too, so I imagine that the better gear you can scrounge together during leveling, the further RB/WF will pull ahead.

  • @meatmarathonmuscle
    @meatmarathonmuscle 5 років тому

    Loved twisting totems for my melee group in vanilla WoW. I chose shaman because I was just coming off of Everquest and shaman was the closest class I could play to a bard. Twisting on shaman was easy after twisting 3 to 4 songs on a bard.

  • @clydeliverpool5096
    @clydeliverpool5096 5 років тому +4

    Wow that is alot of info thanks will probably roll a shaman in classic wow haven't played wow in over 7yrs.

  • @mausilugner6637
    @mausilugner6637 5 років тому +2

    Can i combine the Flametongue Weapon with the Windfury Totem ?

  • @GigaChad-kg4yo
    @GigaChad-kg4yo 4 роки тому +1

    Does Earthbind Kiting even properly work in Classic? Heard the melee leeway is too big and its borderline useles.

  • @Zderzak
    @Zderzak 5 років тому

    Enjoyed this video very much! I think I will roll Shaman as 1 char in WoW classic :) hope I won't struggle to get my enhancement spec up and running as I remember days when I got into wow in TBC as human ret paladin - awful experience!

  • @MrNikomadsen
    @MrNikomadsen 5 років тому +1

    Best headache I ever aquired!! *applaus*

  • @jeffsmith8066
    @jeffsmith8066 5 років тому +1

    Was waiting for this!

  • @Emilgod
    @Emilgod 5 років тому

    does flametongue totem will also give the same 15% ofefficient to your allies becaues a rogue with high attack speed and dual wielding means you could get serious value using flametongue effect

  • @riklaunim
    @riklaunim 5 років тому +1

    Isn't there a coefficient that punishes spells learnable on levels up to 20 and thus low rank spells having lower coefficient than expected without that coefficient?

  • @dmarsub
    @dmarsub Рік тому

    Awesome Guide! I found a slight issue with the DpME Calculation. You are not autohitting while casting. So every shock/totem placed has a higher effective DpME due to being able to autohit in between.

  • @khairulaimanradzi5430
    @khairulaimanradzi5430 5 років тому +3

    Great video! Was wondering, have you ever tested weaving between 1h and 2h based on flurry procs? Eg. Using 1h/shield to fish for crits (with more frequent attacks) and proc flurry and then swapping to 2h WF and swing with the increased attack speed from flurry.

  • @pave3883
    @pave3883 5 років тому +1

    Thanks a lot for the in depth information. Awesome video.

  • @ksiazykgregoire767
    @ksiazykgregoire767 5 років тому

    Really good, i did learn some tiny things ! The thing that blew my mind was the DPS comparison between weapon buffs ! i... never thought of this, i was like WF all the way xD
    You really did an amazing job.
    Maybe i will succeed at convincing my guild to let one enhancement shaman enter the raid (me o/ me o/ me o/ !) with your videos.
    I told them about totem twisting but... meh... "NoOoO ThE bEsT sHaMaN SpEc Is HeAl AnD NiGhTfALl Is BeTtEr WiTh HuNtArD gna gna gna"

  • @PJ-nd8kp
    @PJ-nd8kp 5 років тому

    When we factor in "chance on hit:" effects from weapons and enchants such as "crusader", how does it contribute to the conclusions in this video regarding weapon buffs? Additional hits, which is only attained from windfury procs, surely increases the value of such effects and therefore increases the value of the weapon buff itself. Or am I seeing ghosts?
    Thoughts anyone?

  • @MiIlaheavy
    @MiIlaheavy 5 років тому

    So I have a question, if you can counter dps on weapon with strength and the elemental tree buffs spell crit with the elemental devastation talent you can get a buff to melee crits. So if you use high weapon damage with int, crit or spell power weapons instead of strength to stagger the priority can you use your higher rank lightning bolts and fill with a semi enhance build? Cause flametongue and frostshock scale off spell power and you can use ur stronger higher mana cost shocks and spells liberally if you plan to fill with (not as good but sufficient) auto attacks using the spell power scaling of the weapon enchants? wouldnt it be similar to wanding as a caster only stronger? Also stacking int will make the totem twisting easier as u can cast a spell and a shock in the 8 sec window then melee the next to conserve mana on long fights? Please either test me or share where i am misguided, im not familiar with vanilla shaman

  • @phyrr2
    @phyrr2 5 років тому +1

    I remember in Classic when people thought enhancement/agility focused Shamans were pointless.
    Everyone just assumed you did things a singular way. They had no clue.

  • @Seig_CC
    @Seig_CC 5 років тому

    wtf, just discovered your channel and iam speechless about this video. Definetly subscribed!

  • @Metrognome110
    @Metrognome110 5 років тому +5

    Is it possible for Healing stream totem to proc “Ancestral Healing”?

  • @sulik682
    @sulik682 5 років тому +1

    Just ran into you two on (private server which shall not be named) Keep up the good work!

  • @PantzJr
    @PantzJr 5 років тому

    So, awesome video and very intriguing how I’m still learning whilst already knowing more the basics of the shaman kit.
    EB Kiting is better, no doubt, and will be used a ton more times now it’s come to light BUT if frostbrand has consistent procs then you probably won’t need Eb kiting slapping more armour/strength to your totems meaning better clears BUT if it doesn’t then you’ve taken more. Which is why statistics can suck for some people ( mobs have high resistances in Pservers which can change plans and choices)
    I want frostbrand to be viable but it doesn’t feel good with some parts of your kit.
    I’d like to see best shaman zones whilst levelling / farming.

  • @Spiderbro8
    @Spiderbro8 5 років тому

    Nice work, some great data on the weapon enchantments here. I think the way blizzard managed to maintain such a stable equilibrium between each and still have choice is genuinely impressive. 34:54 is a visual metaphor for the class. Finding balance within chaos is the Shamans calling and we dont let weapon speed stop us ;)

  • @ssccoottiinnoo
    @ssccoottiinnoo 5 років тому

    Fantastic guide! Thank you so much for making it.

  • @Byssbod
    @Byssbod 5 років тому

    I seem to remember the low ranks of spells with faster than normal cast times, being given extremely low coefficients to prevent them from being ridiculously fast and efficient options for casters. This was intentional.

  • @RichardsPoV
    @RichardsPoV 5 років тому +1

    Great guide, thanks! But what professions are more beneficial for shamans while leveling and end-game?

  • @Hauwnted
    @Hauwnted 5 років тому +2

    Enhance main here, thanks for the video.