Rambling about Corsair DDR5 speed bins.
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So apparently Corsair will be fixing their website to include the XMP timings in the tech specs. EDIT: The update should be done sometime this month.
for the DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) 6000Mhz CL30 kit just delivered - CMK64GXM2B6000Z30 the timings listed are 30-36-36-76 1.40V ver 5.43.01
This is why I was looking for a decent 96GB kit for couple of hours.... Corsair approach to tech specs is just f... dumb. I had to go to reddit in hope for getting a real xmp timings (from somebody that bought the kit and showed it) that certain kits have. It's INSANE
every single website that sells it in the UK shows corsair timings, who tf buys ram from the actual manufactor for an extra 20% lol.
how does the non-power of 2 DRAM even work? How is there no performance penalties
Just for informational purposes, my 48GB Patriot Xtreme 5 DDR5 8000 kit worked out of the box at XMP settings. Using 14900k and Apex Encore. I can also run them at 8400MT/s. I settled on 8000 and lowered the CAS latency from 38 to 36. 100% stable.
Would like to add the timings on this kit are 38-48-48-84, which are tighter than G Skill kits. It's also currently in stock at B&H. No I do not work for Patriot or B&H. Just reporting a successful method of achieving 8000+ without any headaches.
congrats on winning the memory controller lottery.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I'm just posting what worked for me. If it's more relevant to the subject of the video, the timings were listed on the product page.
Can u post all the timings include the subtimings?
Stable in Y-Cruncher and TM5 Absolute?
Buildzoid: This video is already longer than it needs to be
Also Buildzoid: Keeps going for 6 minutes
XD
wdym? the video is just 25 minutes.
HAhahah 25min is low for him.
Live stream: ok imma gonna do 10 hours
I m actually amazed that I enjoy hearing him ramble on about something I can't understand but is enjoyable
He's interesting, has good and useful info, and is relaxing to listen to. I used his advice for a motherboard and memory for mine and my brother's PC's.
As long as he's talking, I'm happy to listen.
Also saying, "Corsair put the timings on your website" once isn't enough. That needs to be said repeatedly until they do it.
"Are these XMP timings in the room with us right now?"
"What are they saying to you?"
😂
lmfao
Notice on Corsair's website how the tech specs are formatted in a table of white lined cells and the right side column is 1 line shorter than the left side column. That tells me Corsair used to have a line for XMP timings but removed it. I suspect they removed it because they don't want their specs compared to the competition. A newbie would see a G.Skill kit of 6000 30-38-38 and compare it to a Corsair kit of 6000 30 and ASSUME it's must also be 38 38 when Corsair might actually time it 39 39 and the buyer wouldn't know until they get it in their PC, and by then they are likely not to care enough to return it and wait for shipping on replacements.
They did.
39 39 more like 50 50 lol
A very long time ago, back when Corsair pretty much only did memory, I was a die-hard fan of theirs. Then they started doing things like this and randomly swapping ICs on the same skew and I kind of swore them off.
Now they only care about RGB, so frankly, the only Corsair products I would consider are cases, and maybe radiators because they are just rebranding Hardware Labs rads.
Yeah Corsair went downhill fast. They used to make great products
@@username8644 They still do lol your just being dramatic.
Corsair RAM has been utter trash since 2016 xD @@furiousscotsman2916
*SKU
Buildzoid ram rants are my favorite!
One of the nice things about having a Microcenter is that I can go there and see the ram timing directly instead of having to order online and roll the dice.
Being near a microcenter. Lucky son a of a b.
Corsair has some interesting binning for their Dominator Platinum RGB DDR5 in dual rank (2x32) configurations.
One of the available kits is 6800 40-50-50-110 which sounds a lot like Micron but I have only heard of these (based on QVLs only, not in action) using Hynix A-Die.
Similarly, the 6000 40-40-40-77 kit I have sounds a lot like Samsung but in fact it is also Hynix A-Die.
I agree so much with this, its pissing the shit out of me as well
I blame motherboard manufacturers for providing BIOS versions that ignore parts of the XMP.
To me it's no surprise that Corsair decided to hide information about their timings, so that nobody can accuse them for false advertising.
Timings are 40-40-40 as noted.
I literally overclocking corsair memory now (32x2 DR samsung) and it was only 5200mhz XMP with terrible cl40 timings. Now it works fine 6000mhz with cl34 no problem lol...
Even online retailers have more info than Corsair which is insane.
Now IF you live near a physical retail store you can check the version number on the sticker and find out the chip manufacturer which is a merit but I assume not many people live near physical stores.
lol I thought I was goin nuts the other day when I had this same thing happened when helping someone find a kit of ram and they kept sending me Corsair kits and I wanted to actually show him how poor the timings probably were…. And the info is gone lol. It’s like I swear it use to be there. Also yes they def were and should still be be on the sticks too so I started hunting pics in ebay listings that had pics of the backs of the boxes lololol
plus Corsair being so garbage at information keeps perpetuating newbies Buying different Memory Kits that aren't the same while thinking they are the same and now they're Posting on Forums or whatever wondering why their Computer is now Crashing sometimes.
other Vendors are to blame too, but Corsair is the biggest and most egregious on this.
2 weeks ago i bought the Corsair vengeance 64 GB (2x32GbB) DDR5-6000 cl30 and these are Hynix M - die if i interpret the vendor id correctly - CMK64GX5M2B6000Z30.
They work great on Asus tuf x670e with 7800x3d , selected Expo profile and thats it ... i was worried about memory support so these looked like the simple choice for decent performance.
I have the same kit, it's A-Die, also interestingly, his easy timing setup works on this kit for me without issues.
Check the version number. If it's 5.43.01 it should be A-die. 5.43.13 should be M-die.
Not sure elsewere but in uk is a nightmare with dr5 specs... this video about corsair specs and how to diferentiate samsung micron and hynix from timing specs would of helped me 6 months + ago and i would probably avoided a bunch of ram sticks most from corsair that are pretty much uselees except the stated expo/xmp settings. Good luck as you say getting some tighter timings and oc is completly of the table.
I have a 32GB 7200 CL34 XMP kit that is heavy returned by amazon customers as not working on intel and am5. It runs fine 6400 cl30 on 7950x. $120 with rgb and hynix A die
I got 2 A-die kits (6000 CL36-38-38), but different PMIC manufacturer (1 is Richteck, other is Anpec).
Which PMIC manufacturer is better?
Hey BZ, thought I'd drop it here seen as how you're the all knowing on this: Got two RAM kits to choose from before I build my PC. Rather not try one and then swap as I'll have a NH-D15 on top of my CPU and it's a tiny hassle to adjust rams (maybe, haven't really tried the new MB).
At any rate, I'm deciding between the G.Skill, which I am holding right now, and Corsair, which has been delayed and I'm waiting for as they're better (on paper).
G.Skill 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL30 Flare X5 Svart AMD EXPO (30-38-38-96)
Corsair 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL30 Vengeance (30-36-36-76)
I did notice my G.Skills have an A at the end of their part number or whatever. Which is said to reflect A-die, which is said to be better than M-die. Could I tighten the G.Skills (easily without issue) to match the subtimings on the Corsair or are we talking a hassle for someone who just likes to enable EXPO and leave things alone until 10 years down the road when I need to change systems again? I can do minor tweaking just prefer not to as I have had issues where bluescreens appear 6 months down the line and I have to start troubleshooting wtf I did wrong or if a part is faulty. I dislike that bit. Any insight would be great here. Thanks for your videos. (Still enjoying the 10h stream!)
Buildzoid rant best rant
Yeesh. Haha I have that hynix kit that was first shown as i went off price then gigabyte said it has hynix ics. Yeah took weeks to decide which ram as first upgrade since 2013 so thanks for your mem help.
yeah I've noticed the same yesterday this is super strupid, I've comaperd it to Kingston and timings are there
Mind telling me what am i doing wrong pls ? I have a 12700k (asus tuf z690 wifi d4) on 32g 3200mhz at 5.1 ghz my e cores dont improve my performance after 4ghz (i got them to 4.6 stable ) but after 4 there is no performancr improvments at all what can be the problem ?
Picked up the Corsair Vengeance RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6600 CL32 Memory kit like two weeks ago.
Timings looked tight at 32-39-39-76 but I’m just getting into the OC thing. Haven’t checked if it’s actually Hynix, sort of assumed it was… before traveling I kicked on the XMP profile and let it run / game for a while. What do you use for benchmarking memory? AIDA64? Would love to run some tests and see what sort of speed / timings I’m actually getting since I thought the 7800X3D couldn’t really leverage anything past 6400MT…
CMH64GX5M2B6600C32
I’m like 90% sure it’s going to be A-die but it was silly to not check sooner lol
But not all A -die are the same. There are people here on youtube that spread disinformation that all the sticks are the same. Like if u buy 7000cl32 it is the same stick as 8000cl38 or 8200 cl38. It is just so untrue. There are stick 1.35v doing 8200-8400. There is no chance that hynix adie with 6600 or 6800 can do anything close to that at normal voltage
Inner Jordan Peterson came out in this video. I agree, nomenclature should be reconsidered as well. It is so hard to shop for RAM. I bounce between the motherboard manufacturers website, amazon, gskill, corsair, and newegg for hours just trying to find the perfect kit sometimes.
What can I expect from a Teamgroup Vulcan Alpha 2x16GB 6000MHz 38-38-38-78 1.25v? It seems to be Hynix-A die so at 1.35V i should get closer to CL30 right?
Is all A-Die the same ive got 6400 A-Die but im wondering if i should buy a higher speed kit
@buildzoid, you're freaking funny. =B-)
hi! sorry for my offtop question, but i need help.
I have r7 7700x with asrock b650m pg riptide and ddr5 6000mhz 2x32 hynix
and in AIDA test i have only 63000 mb/s on memory read.
i saw that 2x16 gb ram can get around 70000-80000mb/s on read.
is it fine to have 63000mb/s with 2x32 gb ram memory? or i need to fix somth to get full performance?
Also thx for ur vid about hynix timings with ryzen 7000 i followed your guide and it works perfect
FCLK, timings and subtimings
I have same performance in aida with 2x16Gb a-die kit. 6000Mt/s Cl30-36-36-48. I've only set those 4 or 5 timings due to lack of time. Xmp profile (6400 Cl32) did not work for my msi b650 tomahawk. Msi BIOS/UEFI sets the auto timings wrong, so I'll have to set them manually
i did changed subtimings by following guide in video, latency goes from 70 to 62, but read speed remained the same
@@Incogn1to... increase fclk. I have 7700x, and with fclk 2200 I have 70k read speed. That is with newest bios, before that I could not go over 2100. You need to find the max for your cpu. Be ready for cmos clear, because if you go too far, it will not even post
@@vanher282hi! Can you speficy which timings? I have this mobo with a die and even 6000 cl30 didnt work with builzoid subtimings. I already sent cpu back if it is faulty but lets hope new one works.
Oh wow, I've never seen Buildzoid RANT (not ramble). And I couldn't agree more!
=============> Is it possible to use 2 different ram speed profiles? (1) a XMP profile for "everyday use".... then (2) a faster manual profile for gaming. i have no problem restarting the pc before every gaming session (i already do this anyway), and going into the bios to change it to the faster manual profile. about to build a 14700k + strix z790-e, and im trying to choose the best Corsair Titanium 32gb or 48gb kit and im not sure which one to choose (money is NOT a factor). the ONLY thing i care about is which will give me the absolute max FPS in gaming. i will use 2 dims and leave the other 2 slots empty. thanks
Seems that corsair mem kits are widely used at brick-and-mortar stores in my region，the consumers even do not know xmp at all
Never seen timings on the box, they have the little cutout so you can see it on the sticks themselves.
But yeah, their website is a joke. I had to rely on the retailer giving the right information when I built my 7800X3D.
That's why you have to buy them in person. They also cryptically list the IC.
Micron or Spectek? My motherboard QVL list shows all the Corsair kits as Samsung or Spectek it didn't show any Corsair kit with Micron or Hynix ( MB: ASRock B650m PG Riptide Wi-Fi)
Spectek is owned by Micron. Spectek ICs are just re-branded Micron ICs.
So what does Corsair Dominator dominate over? 🤔
24:22 Samsung not that bad, you just need good motherboard
2022 OCT bin of Samsung B-die 2x16 could run 6600 32-37-37 or 6800 36-38-38
2x32 6200 32-35-35
Out of touch bean counters calling most of the shots. Used iCue to remap buttons on new mouse... out of touch convoluted bullshit. At least it had the F13-F24 options.
They will all agree not to post timings until more people complain.
Normies on reddit still use the "first word latency" argument when somebody asks in r/oc what kit to buy. Corsair enjoyers
bUt BuIlDzOiD aM i getTiNg ThE beST rAm??? iT iS CoRsEyR DoMinAtOr PlAtInUm
3200 16-18-18 bin.....
i like corsair stuff but then they do this kind of crap. anyway, what do you think of the patriot viper venoms - 2x16GB 7200MT kit?( PVV532G720C34K ) no need to really answer, you can just talk about them in a video or stream later if anything is remarkable.
Good & cheap 16gb Adie kit nothing more to it , the thing about Adie is it's pretty consistent across bins , so find the cheapest kit & go for it if it's the viper or other vendor (teamgroup , gskill) doesn't really matter
You should never like corsair stuff. Ever. PSUs are the only thing they do good because of Johnny guru
@@tacticalcenter8658 what's wrong with their mice and keyboards, or monitors? lol i have a PSU from them and it has a maglev bearing in the fan allegedly.
@@terrorriizz they are all garbage except for the PSU's because Johnny Guru designed them. Look up his name.
Yes everything looks cheap and the icue software sucks.I have only the AX1600i psu but disable icue.I have only Razer and Aquacomputer products only 2% CPU usage @@tacticalcenter8658
I wonder why they dont just straight advertise Hynix A/Hynix M in the spec sheets
Because it's very counterproductive from a marketing point of view. (One video or post and the other kit sales will plummet)
+ hard to maintain a specific IC for a certain kit, while a different ICs would be cheaper to manufacture at the certain period of time. Especially Corsair, one of the most inconsistent companies when it comes to memory sticks ICs
If that happens memory SKUs would quadruple in different variations lol
Is Corsair better here for AMD? Corsair Vengeance 64GB, DDR5-6000, CL30-36-36-76 1.40V vs. GSkill Flare X5 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30-40-40-96 1.40V?
Get 6600 cl32
Ripping Corsair a new one
This isn't even just memory, it's literally any electronic device. Tech specs are almost always nonexistent for unhelpful for a ton of companies.
They used to show the XMP/EXPO timings in the tech specs, but Corsair updated their website and I think a lot of stuff got cut off in the technical specs. It happened on other hardware too. Some things lost their tech spec pages entirely.
Ya I have 128gb of Corsair dominator platinum 6600 CL32 (two separate kits of 32x2) that I bought solely for the looks and unreal engine stuff and I can’t get it running faster than 5600 CL 34. It’s 100 stable at that speed but damn I see plenty of people using Kingston and g skill and 128gb stable at 6000. And I have a good cpu too like what’s the issue with corsair?
What do you think of this kit m8 ? It's for the AsRock Nova MOBO paired with a 14700K and a 4090
CP2K24G60C48U5
probably micron 24gb sticks... avoid
get a g skill 32-39-39-102 it should be 24gb M DIE which is really good, 24gb M die kits seem to OC better than 16gb M die kits
Buy Hynix based sticks if you want to overclock. So definitely not a Crucial branded memory kit.
Corsair marketing is either incompetent or predatory!
I got noobtrapped into the 6400 Cl36 but my frustrations with getting XMP stable led me to this channel so there's the silver lining... uhh... anyone wanna buy some RAM?
This is why I didn't get Corsair for my 7800x3d build, because I couldn't even confirm the exact timings due to 0 info on their website so I went with G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo.
Some Corsair exec: look, we HAVE TO obfuscate our specs. Otherwise no one buys the overpriced Micron kits!
Corsair doing Corsair things again (shrug). I've seen this kinda thing a lot from them over the years, and I don't think it's just laziness, but rather intentional. If you don't specify the timings, then it gives you the freedom to use whatever chips you want within that slower speed bin and they will often do exactly that. What you get is probably just what was the cheapest or most readily available chips at the time of manufacture. I remember in the DDR3 days I'd get one model kit of Corsair RAM, then a few years later go to do another build with the same kit only to find it had entirely different chips in it, though they at least would mark it "rev 1.2" or "rev 1.4" or whatever, but still it's pretty annoying to have to look at what rev the same kit is when they could just have created a new model number instead.
Literally all the brands do that. That is a dumb argument. And Corsair is only one of two companies (the other being g.skill) who actually writes what ICs are being used on the heatsinks. You should be grateful they do that because basically nobody else does. Yes Corsair has obviously gone downhill in the last few years but their DDR3 and earlier ddr4 kits were perfectly fine, and actually rather good kits.
DDR4 Corsair is utter ass, unstable crap. @@username8644
It's annoying for sure, but most people don't care. They just buy whatever has a higher number in their price range. (not me)
now corsair has stepped it up with the scammin ... they just run 2 kits with 2 voltages and the xmps depends on how crappy the kits for the day get ...
but k for this prices its probably not a scam even no matter how bad the shit is ... and the corsair price tells u at least what to buy
and now in english?
I mean they really should be legally obliged to outright tell you what memory chips they're selling you. Hopefully one day soon Intel and AMD move to on-package memory for consumer CPUs and all these ram stick sellers will be out of business. I hate playing these stupid games with them.
Corsair went to hell after DDR3. I'm not sure why or how!
They were already iffy then, doing very similar things. I liked their old PSUs and the very recent ones.
RGB. They got infected by the rainbow money
90% of people who buys Corsair doesn’t cares about timing or speed, they’re buying just for lookings
Don't buy these Corsair Vengeance memory kits if you're building an AM5 system, after many problems i only got one memorystick to work while the kit was listed on my Asus motherboard QVL list.
Avoid all corsair products except for the PSU's. Especially avoid their memory.
Buy Gskill - problem solved.
I really wish you would review/overclock this memory "G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34"
Corsair hardware/software is cancer
Corsair hiding specs because they need to sell garbage micron chips
They have agreement with Micron i guess
Anyway Micron DDR5 should not be used in gaming desktops, because it's bottlenecking CPU's. in a perfect world AIBs should avoid Micron DDR5 like the plague.
Only server use at JEDEC
1st.
Search "ram" - 9 hits
Search "xmp" - 14 hits
Search "ddr" - 15 hits
Search "timing" - 41 hits
well...
Search "you know" - 25 hits
Search "just" - 42 hits
and then...
Search "like" - 230 hits
It's like time to like stop.
Corsair is one of the worst companies I've ever seen. I am not buying any Corsair products again.
I have long avoided them for most product categories, RAM in particular. Their cases nowadays are really mediocre too, only their PSUs are still good, and it's basically entirely because a former PSU reviewer designs them.
I swear I'm mainly avoiding them because of their social media douche guy
@@wewillrockyou1986 with PSUs I agree.
Corsair makes it easy for me to avoid their memory
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Why even buy ddr5 that isn't t force
Third
They did it intentionally.
Dude, I still have another 2 hours or something left of the 10 hour stream.
More lazy content than a lazy-ass ought to be doing, so, it's not you that's lazy, just the content you produce 😆 (you're just "hyper-efficient" with energy, right?!?)
Im an hour deep, just about to indulge in some more
Corsair in generel sux😂
Enjoyed the video as always. Just got this ram for cheap, can anyone tell the ram from the timings? DDR5 6800 34-44-44-84
if it's 2x16 then it's Hynix 16Gb A-die. If it's 2x24 then it's Hynix 24Gb A-die
Yes its 2x16. Thanks for the help
Who still buys cl 36 DDR 5, just nuts, they better throw this away