What DDR5 to buy December 2023
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2023
- DO NOT BUY 4x8, 4x16 or 4x24
for 2x16/2x24/2x32/2x48 to get Hynix the following works:
6000-6600 with a CL of 32 or lower
6800-7200 with a CL of 34 or lower
7200+ the CL doesn't matter because the clock is so high
4x32 and 4x48 don't have many official options and are incredibly hard on the CPU's memory controller sooo good luck.
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*TIMESTAMPS*
0:00 - 7:49 *Intro rambling and important info* (TL;DR only buy 2 sticks of DDR5)
7:49 *2x16GB kits*
7:52 Overclocking for the least money
9:54 Cheapest fast XMP with Hynix
16:29 Fastest 6000MT/s bin
19:26 Fastest XMP that every 13th & 14th Gen CPU can run
20:43 Fastest kit BZ would buy unless you're feeling lucky
31:18 *2x24GB kits*
35:13 Best affordable kit
36:17 Good kit for Intel
38:21 *2x32GB kits*
39:18 Cost-effective capacity
52:35 *4 stick configurations AKA the stupid stuff*
1:05:56 *RECAP!!!*
*Important stuff rambled*
9:54 Hynix M-die vs A-die
14:05 DDR5 speeds on AMD
17:19 AMD vs Intel
18:30 Hynix A-die on Intel
23:48 7200MT/s+ & silicon lottery on CPUs
31:33 2x24GB M-die vs 2x16GB A-die
34:17 Memory controller location...
43:29 BEWARE of Corsair! They do "speedy" bins with loose timings that might include Micron chips
*_For the full BZ experience, watch the whole video_*
u are the goat
@@ChrispyNut Actually the most Buildzoid thing to do... I guess it's not missing the popular 2x16 stuff so others can go and actually watch the video😂. Trust me it's very educational to watch a BZ video all the way through.
@@atirta777 Hence being a long-ish time subscriber, who watched the entirety of the 10 hours stream (over the course of a couple of days)
@@atirta777 I didn't notice the don't pin this thing.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You can pin this now if you want, thanks for the video🙏
If you want to look like you have 4 sticks get the corsair or Gskill dummy sticks with LED and no data pins.
They don’t exist yet for ddr5 unfortunately.
Yes, those LEDs add 15% more fps in games 😂
I got 32gb 6400 trident z5 considering getting 2 more for ai… gigabyte boards always did me well with 4 stick and have gaming x ax z790 and 13600kf can it work?…
@@Beforedethit will work yes. Poorer overclocked/looser timings/more voltage/more effort to overclock. Daisy chained topology. Not great for 4 dimns. If you don't care about overclocking (doubtful since you are watching this video) you could run this config.
TLDR yes it will work. Just not optimally.
@@angelg3986 bros about to cry because someone wants their PC to look nice
Thank you, I find these sorts of videos really really helpful and much appreciated!
Listen to this guy. He's awesome and straight forward. I've done what he has since I was a kid but I still come here and learn more from your videos. Thanks for these.
I just finished my build with the three month old buying guide so i know this guide will help some one else love this kind of long content thank you oh and i watch this in full multiple times makes buying stuff not confusing
Keep up the content. I'm working in IT and love these educational videos! Thank you!
Thanks dude! Super helpful
underrated video. needs more likes. very helpful.
you saved me from getting ram which will underperform.
Went with a set of kingston set KF560C32RSK2-96 (6000MT/s 32-38-38 1.35V) which is m-die hynix on a 7900x and asus prime x670e motherboard.
Just wanted to report that I tried your " Low effort Single rank Hynix 16Gb A/M-die timings for Ryzen 7000" and it worked flawlessly without any problems so they are valid for duall rank dimms also(at least for mine).
Would appreciate if you updated the fields that refered to dual ram->
tWRWRSD and tRDRDSD: AUTO (only relevant for dual rank)
Hey Buildzoid, great video! Quick question for you: I recently ordered the G.SKILL 24GB x 2 6400MT/s CL32 kit. Would you expect that your old "easy memory timings for Hynix..." speed / timings would still work for these 24bit chips? I'm going to try Expo on my 7800x3d, but not expecting it to work at that speed.
They worked for me with 2x48gb 6000 32-38-38 1.35 with Asus prime x670e and 7900x on the first try.
Thanks for the info
Thank you so much for your videos bz! Really good info about which ram to choose. Previous one about DDR5 RAM make me to choose right one sticks. So I'm now running perfectly fine 7200 cl34-42-42-84 1.45 v patriot viper venom on asus z790 TUF and 13700k. At first I was trying to find team group ones, coz they have lower heatsink than patriot, and didn't find in local online shops, so now I'm happy with the patriot. 2000x(cl34):7200=9.4ns🎉. And for 7000xmp, that I will try later 2000x(cl32):7000=9.1ns.
Hey buildzoid, do you have any comment on running EXPO ram on a Intel platform?
I learned the hard way, that 4x 16GB is only way to get insane and hate your setup and blame your motherboard, CPU or your CPU's IMC that those are trash. I did that mistake and bought 4x 16 GB Apacer 6400 MT/s CL32 kit (It had SK Hynix chips) and guess what it was result. It was tragedy since day zero. While I was able to run that kit on 5600 MT/s and timings from XMP profile 2 I was never able to fully stabilise the system above 4000 MT/s in OCCT and Prime95, I was also forced to shovel much more voltage into VDDIO and VSoC, last nail into coffin was UEFI update which rendered anything above 4000 MT/s unstable even in memtest86 so I gave up.
I purchased G Skill Trident Z5 2x32 GB 6000 MT/s CL30 kit and getting whole system stable was piece of cake, just selecting DOCP II profile and making sure that UCLK is equal to MCLK. I was able to undervolt VDDIO to 1.100V (UEFI shows 1.128V as actual value) and VSoC to 1.155V (local reading 1.445V) and on 7950X I can pass any OCCT or Prime95 test you can think of.
TL/DR my current undervolt profile:
CPU: 7950X
- Curve optimiser = -15 all cores
- Vcore offset = -0.040
- PPT/TDC/EDC = 250/200/240
- VSoC = 1.155 V
- VDDIO = 1.100 V
RAM: G-Skill 64 GB 6000 MT/s CL30
- DOCP II preset
- UCLK = MCLK (by default my mobo sets 0.5 * MCLK)
I have a 7800X3D with a 4070ti and a MSI b650 edge wifi motherboard. I want ram with cl 30 and 6000mhz minimum. I currently bought the G Skill z5 neo I think it has pretty good RGB and stats. Also, I really love the look of the Corsair dominator ram and I’ve heard you can get “dummy” kits to fill the other two ram slots? That would be ideal.
Picking up 7800X3D today!!! I’m pretty excited
What ram you went with your 7800x3d?
I bought today G.Skill Ripjaw 2x16gb 6000hz CL 30, 7800x3d, AsRock mobo B650E riptide wifi
@@owieczkacs Hey 👋, Very Nice! You got some really good hardware. Hopefully you was able to get a great deal as well.
Currently, I’m using G.Skill Flare X5 6000 MT CL30 32GB. I did a slight overclock and it’s stable at 6200 MT. I hope you enjoy the 7800X3D, extremely fast and very easy to keep cool.
@@Kapono5150 i need to find cooler for processor but that is not going to be issue. Still thinking what pc case i should use. Need a big one for 4080 super palit jetstream to fit inside ;) i worked for 3 months all extra hours i could get my hands on, big sacrifices had to be made but this pc especially with this motherboard is future proof.
no way I procrastinated long enough for buildzoid to release 3 of these videos >_
Youre the best for making content like this! Is there a Mobo roundup, or did i miss it?
Yeah 4 days ago, go to the past streams section. It's PEAK ramble and a grand 10 hours long lmao
@@ICANHAZKILLZ omg.. ill find and comb thru it.
Hey Buildzoid, great video, thank you. Between a Hynix kit of 2x32 or the corsair vengeance 2x48 6600 c32 gb that you recommend which one would your choose? Would it work at 6800 c32 with your settings that you shared for the Hardware unboxed video? They run perfect with 2x16 Hynix m Kingston kit with a 13700 at 6800 c32. Or is better to try 6600 c32 with same timings ? Happy New Year to you and all of the fellow hobbyists. Just for reference Only using the pc for gaming simulators like msfs , iracing.MB gigabyte gaming x z790, 4090.
i have this kit F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR along with 7800x3d
I also play DCS simulator and works just fine
This is video is a MASTERPIECE ON RAM❤❤❤ Thanks so much for this invaluable information.❤❤❤
Thanks for your super video as always, always interesting to watch and learn from it. However, I have a question about the DDR5 RAM modules vs supported memory from the motherboard manufacturer. From chapter 31:18 2x24GB kits you mentioned G.Skill Ripjaws DDR5 RAM modules, but the motherboard "ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR" doesn't support it for the Intel 14th gen CPU. What should I do? Stick to the supported memory modules from the list on the Asus website? In combination with 14900K CPU.
If it's not on the qvl it doesn't mean that the motherboard will not support it. It's just that there was no testing done on this particular memory kit by the mobo manufacturer. If the store you're buying from has a good return policy, you are welcome to try it out.
35:20 2x24GB 6400 CL32 is actually very doable on AM5 with the latest AGESA. I don’t think anyone needs to down clock for them to work. That’s why G.Skill released a 2x24GB 6400 CL32 EXPO kit.
G.Skill the champ! 😎
@@andrewvirtue5048 Doesn't G.Skill not have thermal pads on their PMIC?
@@outa7192 Idk. My G.skill hasn't failed me since 2019.
Doesn't thermal pad performance on pmic only really matter for OC? so that's on you and not something the spec should concern itself with hehe @@outa7192
@@outa7192 Yes they have the absolute worst heat spreaders but then again so do most manufacturers. T-Force Create has a good stock HS with thermal pads.
Thank you for answering my question on if running 4 sticks of 8gb for tighter timings on DDR5 5600 would work. I wanted to know because according to G Skill 5600 is as fast as they have checked my motherboard would go.
For 2x48 GB, I recently got the Corsair 6000 CL30 kit shown at 47:30 and have it running with a 7800X3D on a MSI X670E Carbon. It does take about a minute to boot every time but I haven’t had any issues with it so far, and it will be nice to not worry about running out of memory for a while lol
Disable USB legacy, enable hotplug ALL SATA, enable Memory Context Restore(memory power down ENABLED). Compare startup time.
@@m33_r6How do you do that like in which sections are in the BIOS what you said?
@@m33_r6 Make sure you have memory power down ENABLED if you use MCR, you need both enabled or both disabled, you can't mismatch.
Yes, that's right.
I have 2X24GB 7200Mhz CL34 Teamgroup RAM with a 7950x3D on an ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara with tighter than XMP custom timings running good. The weird thing is that it won't boot with XMP, but does with manual values that are better than XMP.
Also, it boots very fast.
I got a 4x32 Kingston KF556C40BBK2-64 (2 set), i.e. 128 Gb total. They are on SK Hynix A-die chips, works fine @ 5600 with XMP on ASUS Prime Z790-P and i9-13900K (boxed). All tests done - Karhu, y-cruncher, memtest86 (8 hours for 4 pass), and others. Perfect stability at all.
What do you guys think about going for 7200MT/s with the MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk MAX WiFi?
The Non-max is rated for 7200MT/s OC and the Max version is rated for 7800MT/s
I figure that extra headroom on the max might make 7200 a good middleground on that board with a good kit. Thoughts?
The most annoying thing about ddr5 stability imo is that the memory can be unstable but rarely causes crashes or bluescreens. You basically have to be at broken levels of stability to see obvious problems. Meanwhile something that might appear stable but isn't will likely just cause some performance degradation. The only way to know for sure is to run VT3 overnight, which I really think anyone who runs 6800 or higher should do.
I got a 4x32 setup at work and it was a pain getting it stable at a measly 5200 MT/s on a 13900K. The kit was rated for 5600.
is it corsair dominator platinum?
@@darchandarchan7036 No it is G.Skill I believe.
@@darchandarchan7036 I wanted 128gb so I got 2 sets of Corsair dominator titanium (2x32) 6600 cl32. I was able to get them 100% stable at 5600 cl34. I have seen people running 128gb at 6000 with the Kingston ram. How big of a difference in frames does it really make though? Going from 5600 to 6000 to 6600? Like people obsess over it but how much does it actually help in game
I have a 4x16 using gskills trident z M die running 6000 28 38 38 30. It can be touchy when trying to dial it in and if you misstep you can end up with a softbrick but once you get it set right it can be stable. Although it is a pain sometimes, I actually avoided some bios updates to not have to go through the process. I know a 2x32 would be easier but I had those sticks and I am sorta a masochist. This is with a x670 elite ax and a 5900 x3d.
My gskill samsung 64GB ran only 5200MHz and heated to 54C during counterstrike 2 with 300 fps. CL timing was 40.
Thank you.
My experience working with DDR5 for the first time, and limited overclocking experience, I've been worried about how easy overclocking memory has been for me so far.
I have a G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 32GB 6000CL30 kit in an MSI MPG X670E Carbon with a 7800X3D.
I lowed the SoC voltage to 1.25 after EXPO set it to 1.3. I've set a -30 all core CO offset (-35 crashes the second Prime95 starts). I've set the memory frequency to 3200MHz.
I'm currently running through Prime95 and Linpack to stress test after bumping tRAS down to 92.
I think the mistake I'm making is not comparing performance, but I kinda figured improvements would be irrelevant for my daily use activities. I'm going back over past AHO videos to learn how to do stability testing better.
Thus far, straying too far in messing with overclocks has led to instant crashes under load or no boot. Messing with the memory hasn't caused any obvious issues which is making me really paranoid. I'm open to suggestions for what more I can do to this system to prove it's unstable or losing performance.
You have the exact combo of my setup. Please kindly report back if you are able to make it stable in either mhz. I'd love to hear from you. Thanks
I really need 128gb of ram (a weird niche as a film composer that used a lot of VSTi's). Maybe i can manage with 96gb. Do you think the 2x64gb that will come in the future will be any good?
This is really informing video to watch. Help me to choose at pricepoints or performance. Before i wrote-> I think i bougt DDR2 OCZ 800mhz or something, maybe a bit higher but then it was just mhz. Got it becouse it have a heatpipe on both sticks. I wont regret a buy. It was ~300€ for 2 sticks. I have nice time with my Q6600@4ghz, "downclocked" to 3,8 and that was how i played 9 years until PSU blow up and it was enought. Theres 1 between, got some components like haf 700 evo and PSU from seasonic wich i know can last( taking few months to choose what i buy, waterstuff and so on...)
Any tips or trick with the new AMD bios that ‘supports higher memory Overclock’ that was release few weeks ago?
Any plans on doing a dual rank DDR5 timing video?
I'm using the single rank timings on my dual rank kit and it works well, although i left the dual rank timings at default expo.
Went from a 2*16g 6000 c30 team group kit to the 2*24g 6400 c32 gskill z5 neo kit, runs without issue with 7800x3d on msi b650 edge so far. Was thinking about the 2*32g 6400 c32 kit but that was rated for 1.4v and I'm worried after the CPU burned thing and mem voltage got limited at 1.35v. Btw, didn't notice much performance diff in game after the upgrade lol.
Those should both be within 1% of each other's FPS. One has lower latency. One has higher data rate. In the end, same result. Especially since games care more about low latency than high data rates.
yay , ddr5 buying guide lets go
Small tip for getting Hynix A-/M-die sticks: check for AMD EXPO self certification reports by the manufacturer. Kingston & G.Skill are excellent at those.
My personal experience with 128 GB RAM on AM5:
Two Kingston KF560C36BBEK2-64 kits (4 sticks) on an Aorus B650E Master with a R9-7950X3D run DDR5-5600 (2nd XMP/EXPO profile) out of the box. Drawback is that you have to retrain memory each boot, which takes 147 seconds into Win 10 Pro.
After some fiddling with timings, I nowadays run 28-36-28-30 (1.435V)* with tight sub-timings. Stress testing took me about two weeks and I had to strap a 80mm Noctua fan for the memory sticks onto the back of my RTX 4090 for reliable operation.
Works great for my Unreal Engine 5 & DaVinci Resolve virtual production stuff. 😇😋
*edit: typo & more info
You went from CL36 to CL28? Then can those CL30 sticks go CL22?
In my experience it doesn’t matter whether the ram says xmp or amd expo.
if you have a really good board you’ll be able to get 7200-7800mhz on amd with xmp or expo sticks.
This will work with a 7800x3d. idk about other cpus at the moment.
Currently running 7200 cl 34-44-44-84 1.4v (xmp ready) on a b650 aorus elite pro ax I’ve paired with my 4070ti & a 7800x3d.
Keep in mind tho… anything passed 6400mhz will have your system running uncoupled.
However… the latency is way lower & the fps is way more stable compared to when my system was 1:1 with 6400 cl32-39-39-102 1.4v.
Another disclaimer about my mobo… I have 2 settings & without those I would have been f’d lol.
Anyone with this board should have “ high bandwidth support “ & low latency support “ turned on.
@@silfrido1768 Whats low latency sup equivalent in msi x670 tomahawk? High efficiency mode?
@@silfrido1768 Today I bought trident z5 neo rgb 6000 32-38-38-96-130. Guess its hynix-m. Should I give "high efficiency" mode of tomahawk mobo a try? Tight? Tightest? I see 59ns in aida64 with 2133fclk, 50000 tREFI, some disabled features. I wont oc. Just tighten.
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Keep in mind that those sticks are underclocked and ran at 1.435V for CL28 since I need 128+ GB for my work-related stuff. No idea how fast they go at higher speeds, because my 7950X3D can't even do 6200MT/s stable with a single 64GB kit. 😪
After playing around with some 96GB G.Skill kits and encountering some weird crashes involving the SuperIO chip, I'm using the 128GB setup at 30-36-30-30 @1.35V atm, until I get a better RAM fan to keep the sticks below 60°C during Furmark+Prime95 torture testing.
@silfrido1768
Looking at the EXPO certification isn't about speeds or timings, it's about finding out which chips are used in a certain SKU. 🤓
For example, the Kingston kit I mentioned is Hynix A-die only according to the self-certification report, while lower speed bins or smaller sizes of the same Kingston series can be both Hynix M-die, A-die or some Micron/Spectek chips.
Sadly, the hard part is finding those certification reports on the manufacturer's website.
I have a vengeance 6000CL30 (Cpu-z reports hynix) 2x16 kit and a 7800x3d. Im running it at 6000mhz (2033 FCLK) with expo primary timings and the other timings from buildzoid. 6200 boots fine but the north bridge clock halves; is that normal and/or anything to worry about in terms of performance?
Thanks
Buildzoid, just watched a video where a guy set a 7950X3D to -40 in Curve Optimizer and then adjusted the LLC setting to Extreme on a Aorus Motherboard to keep it stable, just wondering how safe you think this is?
Very
Is there a long enough period now that we know what optimal speed to purchase DDR5 RAM?
DDR4 was between 3600 - 4000 mhz. Any higher is diminishing returns.
I'm running the T-create 2x24 7200 kit at 8400 CL 38 1.47VDD/VDDQ on a 14900k/Apex Encore setup. Karhu,TM5 and Y-cruncher stable.
The good thing about the 2x24 7200 kit's is they are pretty much all the same kit from 7200 on up and are the new Hynix M-die.
Yeah my CL34 7200Mhz 16Gb x 2 kit is also Hynix MJR-die. And it runs well.
Do you think I could push these up to 7800Mhz? My motherboard supports up to 8000Mhz but that's too much for too little imo.
@@RNG-999 those are different than the M-die in the 2x24gb kits.
If you have a motherboard that has more than 4 dimm slots trying to go past 7600 will be hard.
You got the part number to the ram sticks your using? Im using 2x16gb a-die with icemans heat sinks at 8400 cl34. 1.62 on both with a ram fan. 14900k. 1.3tx, 1.2sa. 1.5mc. I need these newer sticks as i can lower my voltages/heat.
the specs tho ❤
I have the same kit on my 7950x3D X670E system. I haven't tried anything higher than 7200MHZ though, but it runs rock solid at 7200Mhz with tight custom timings.
I currently own a Asus z690-a board with 6000mhz cl36 i9 13900k. Would I be able to get a newer ram kit for example 7200mhz kit or would my board be the limiting factor forcing me to upgrade to a z790 board ?
love you man
bought samsung b-die corsair ddr6000 cl36. z790 aorus elite ax, 13600k. used buildzoid guides to "tighten" timings, cl 30 etc primaries and also some important secondary timings. doesn't like being clocked higher now. i have aida values of 62ns latency and 90Gb/s read and write. 1T didn't work. quite happy though. y cruncher hasn't complained so far, will have to run a few more longer tests. last ram i modified was ddr2 way back. crazy how much has changed and how many more options are now exposed to users.
What’s max safe voltage for the memory controller and ivr transmitter vddq voltage on 14th gen for daily use
I bought a TeamGroup 32GB 6000 cl30 kit for my 13600K/ASUS Z790-A and the XMP profile sets the SA and IMC voltages to 1.249v and 1.332v respectively. Are those safe voltages for 24/7?
i got the t create expert ddr5-6000 cl30-36-36-76 for 67.49 about a week ago, but haven't been able to overclock it using the voltages and timings on the am5 platform (b650m aorus elite ax + ryzen 5 7600)
what 2x48 should i pair with a 13900ks on z690?
What about voltage any meaningful difference between 1.4 and 1.35 volts? Does 1.4 volt for the same speed mean worse quality?
Any 2x48 (6000 MT) GB dual-channel kit suggestions preferably with EXPO for an Asus X670E-E?
All I found was CMK96GX5M2B6000C30 which isn't EXPO and the reviews are mixed.
I have a 7600X with a ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E with Gskill Trident F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5RS 2x16GB DDR5 RAM at 6400 MHz CL32 and it's been rock solid on it's DOCP I profile (DOCP II looks the same to me in the UEFI) since I bought it in September. I haven't tuned it manually, I just run it in the default DOCP I profile. PBO Enhancement is enabled with the 80C target (90C traget doesn't increase my CPU's clockspeed, just increases the CPU temps by like 3C for no benefit).
What are the hyperx beast mounting?
For the 5600 C46 kit, it's really interesting. I have 2 kits on two different 7800X3D, I can't even do Trcd 40 at 6400/C30, meanwhile I can't go below 500 Trfc so it can't be M die. The sweet spot so far for me is 6200 C28-36 at 1.46V. Oh also the Trp can't go below 36 which is weird for A die..
For 6400 C32 kits, especially those 1.4V ones, at least all G.skill kits are overwhelmingly M die lately, I'm actually quite surprised
Yeah, a friend recently picked up GSkill 6400c32 and it was M. The TG kit 5600c46 also was M. During 11/11 I purchased KingBank 6400c32 guaranteed A-Die for $80, will see how they hold up on the Apex.
Isn't memory voltage limited to 1.35v for amd 7000 after the CPU burned thing?
@@Just-Random-Gamer no, memory voltage was never a problem.
I have one that's M-die. TRFC2 can do 320 on 6400 via 12900k.
Just an update the KingBank 6400c32 doing 8000 38-48-48-44 at 1.43 vdimm (did not try lower vdimm) in 1:2 on the Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX. Passes HCI, ycruncher VT3. Didn't need to activately cool the memory.
The heatsinks are probably not that great because the 2 other heatsink-less kits I have run a few degrees cooler. But at least they look nice, RGB is alright too.
They also do 6400c28 at 1.5v, no active cooling required.
I was able to get G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 48GB DDR5 @ 7400 MT/s CL34 (F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK) on an MSI MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI DDR5 with an Intel i9-14900k.
It ain't much, but it's honest work getting that extra 200 MHz on the RAM. I could post 7800 but after a few days I couldn't figure out how to stabilize it with the voltages so I gave up.
How tf? I have Tomahawk z790, 7400 kit and 14700k. It doesnt even go for 7000mhz. What your voltages are?
@@Tpecep well, you can't copy mine, you'll have to find your own settings, but here's what I have:
CPU SA - 1.250
CPU VDDQ - 1.400
CPU VDD2 - 1.400
CPU PLL SFR - 0.990
RING PLL SFR - 0.990
SA PLL SFR - 0.990
MC PLL SFR - 1.050
DRAM DIMM - 1.400
DRAM DIMM VDDQ - 1.400
2N 34-46-16-46
TRAS 32
TRFC2 592
TRFCPB 392
TREFI 65535
TRRD 4
TRRDL 10
TRTP 12
TFAW 16
TCWL 22
TCKE 4
TRDRDSG 14
TRDRDDG 8
TWRWRSG 14
TWRWRDG 8
TRDWRSG 20
TRDWRDG 20
TWRRDSG 64
TWRRDDG 42
TWRPRE 48
TRDPRE 8
TXPDLL 2
TRPRDEN 4
TRDPDEN 4
If I remember correctly, BZ recommended trying with and without round trip latency enabled and with late command training disabled.
This is not financial advice.
@@Tpecep intel memory controller RNG
@@Tpecep I have Tomahawk as well, it does 7400, currently using latest BIOS H9. CPU VDDQ Auto 1.4v, CPU VDD2 Auto 1.43v, SA Manual 1.2v. DRAM VDD / VDDQ 1.45v
You can be %100 sure these voltages (besides DRAM) can be lowered, I just did not bother.
Try to run it on loose timing first i.e. 7400 36-46-46-46-115.
My kit does 34-43-43-43 and 32-43-43-43 (but requires a lot more DRAM VDD). It does not even require active cooling to pass stress testing. RAM is stable up to about 80c but only reaches 70c in testing. This is with subtimings manually tuned as well.
@@EuniceiscoolI didn't see the last line of your comment. I used the info to invest my life savings in crypto and now I've got no crypto as well as no money (on top of my awful ram timings). It's all your fault!!!
I have a set of 2x16 Team Group T-Force DDR5 6800MHZ 34-44-44-84, On a 13700K ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WiFi, i enabled XMP Tweaked then bumped the speed to 7200, stability tested with mem test & Karhu all stable. then one of my sticks stopped working. My question is i can get the same Team Group Kit but the 7200MT/s kit for the same price as the 6800 kit I'm returning. IF i could run the 6800 kit @ 7200 i should be able to run the 7200 kit right?
Jesus Christ, 7 min into it and hes still talkin about how not to use more than 1 stick per channel.
I got the 4x32 Corsair dimms you looked at at Black Friday for like $270. I'm currently running at 5200. Wouldn't boot with EXPO so had to judt manually set it.
I don’t have plans to overclock my memory, but still wanna learn more about these stuff😂
Just a newbie for d5 oc , dumb question here can 6000 c30 oc to 7200 or even 8000? What's the difference between 6000 c30 or 6800 c34 kits both of them are hynix A die
I have 6400 cl32 klevv ram
Is there some benefits of changing to 7200 cl34 ram?
can you conisder dark mode for PCpartpicker
Are 48GB worth it for beeing easy to run if they are only 30€ cheaper then 64GB. The 48GB kit is 193€ while the chepast 6000 CL 32 or better 64GB kit is 229€.
I’ve just bought 32gb Corsair dominator titanium 6600MTs ddr5 and I can’t get it to post and my motherboard is a gigabyte z790 elite ax. Could it be my i5 12600k it’s constantly on a orange cpu light on the motherboard and won’t post at all
Hey, could you please make a video for ram timings on a dual rank 2x32gb ram for ryzen 7000?
I have a G.Skill 2x32gb cl32 6000mhz and I ran your settings on that video. Worked fine a few days till today when I started getting bsods and bios freezes every minute. Went back to EXPO II and it fixed.
Sounds like you got it sorted mate.
is ddr5 worth it? or ddr4 is good enough?
hey i have a 13th gen i9 6000 32x2kit is it a waste of time if i was to upgrade to a ddr5 7600mhz kit
Thoughts on using the 2*16 G.skill Trident Z5 6400 CL32 (F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5K) on a Mag z790 Tomahawk paired with a 13900k?
It will work no problem at all. 6400MHz CL32 is too easy.
You are absolute right, I am in the process of buying 4 sticks memory kits and trying to get them work on AM5, only because it looks better. After a whole week of struggle, I am seriously thinking about falling back to just 2 sticks. It's just too damn hard 🤣
A standard 4 Memtest86 run for my 192GB kit takes 9 ~ 10 hours, that's insane 🤯 Even if I get the memtest to pass for one time or two, still seeing BSOD from time to time. It's too damn unstable.
Yeah I would stick with 2 stick if you want high speed.
Otherwise if you want more ram then I would get the cheapest and slowest one DRR5 4800MHZ as the memory controller will downclock it anyways.
got a PNY cl40 ddr5 6400 mt is it safe to run it at cl30 ?
TG classic JEDEC kit is M/A die, but they recently started flashing the kits with expo/xmp. not sure bout OC quality being worse. Mine is M-die
So for 128GB, still stay with DDR4?
hey buildzoid i have been getting issues with my asus encore apex running fine and then one day giving me error 53 and error 55 i know the ram is fine i have memtested it i do a hard reset and it works. had it running great on xmp2 and then same issue been advised to upp my vddq to 1.45 im going to try that you ever experienced this?
I could only get 6000 to work but not really stable with 2x48(x2) trident zs.. they are rated for 6400cl32, but even at 5600 I still had issues with random crashes and other instability. 4800 was the fastest that was actually stable. I switched to just the 2x48 6400xmp tweaked profile and is working much better for now. Going to try again soon once I get my other build up and running. This was all before watching this video and a couple others
Use case for these are mostly workstations for 3d cad and other stuff, gaming a bonus. Had a threadripper build in cart and decided to go with 2 workstations for the price of the one.. still miles ahead of what I had before either way. Originally I was going for 2x systems with 96gb, but I wanted to see if I could overcome the stability issues I've heard of with DDR5.. Wish me luck, definitely more confident I can get more stability out of my 2 kits since I've gotten a little more familiar with the 14th gen cpu.. my first high end intel build in 15 years and I get to keep it!
What would be the best 2x32GB Kit for a 7800X3D on a X670E ot X650E, thanks!
Got 2x24GB 8GHz (G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RW) to pair with my X670e Gene, quite happy, lowering latency was quite easy :) EDIT (7800X3D)
I have the same kit and the same board but a 7950X3D. What timings did you use?
@@waym9409 Eh IIRC 38-44-44-128 CR1 and the rest I forgot, can't look right now. Voltage is 1.35v, Just loaded XMP and made the tweaks where it needed it.
@@noir-13 I haven't tried that, and I might not do it, stuff is stable as it is :) Going to need it working the next few weeks.
I got AsRock B650M-HDV/M.2 and Ryzen 5 7500F.
Is there any difference between XMP and EXPO memory kits?
I'm considering G.Skill Flare X5 or Ripjaws S5, both 6000 CL30 or CL32, depending on which one is available.
What did you go for eventually? Results?
I have limited options from where i can buy memory. Is the corsair vengeance 2x32gb 6000MT/s 30-36-3-76 1.40v an sk hynix die? I want to pair them with an i7-14700.
I am planing a workstation build right now. And I need more than 32GB capacity. There are 2x32GB gskil kits with 6800 cl34 as well as Corsair 6400 CL32 for about the same price in the store I am shopping at.
I am not sure if 2x24 would be enough capacity for this build but 2x48 seems overkill.
True
What is better to get? 24x2 kit or 16x2 kit? There are some rumors about ocing and stability difference of those between, but no actual info/evidence/data
2x24 clocks higher so at the same speeds should be more stable.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Do the 2x24/2x48GB kits suffer latency/bandwidth decrease due to row length like DDR4 8Gb/16Gb chips did?
i have the red 5600 cl36 teamgroup vulcans and they have hynix inside. no idea how far they clock, had so far no incentive to oc.
please, can any expert answer? I have a 7800x3d and an MSI x670e... I can't get the RAM to run at 6200/6400 or even at 6000 without crashing and with basic timing... what could it be? Is it the CPU's fault? or could it be the faulty motherboard? or in these cases the motherboard has nothing to do with it?
Which Z790 motherboard is best for 4 ddr5 7200mhz?
I'm using ASUS 690 hero it doesn't work with 4 kit. right now, I'm using only 2.
But what about the G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB DDR5-6400, CL32-39-39-102, on-die ECC for AM5? G.Skill released those for the latest AM5 Agesa update. They seem pretty confident that they will work in most cases.
Did you test this already?
Edit: I mean in a 1:1 configuration of course
My 7900X that previously couldn't run 6400 at all can now run 6400 just long enough to make stress tests error out.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Sounds still unstable but maybe stable enough to use it daily or game with it.
I got myself the 7800x3d and the mentioned memory kit. I will come back to report how it runs.
F5-6400J3239F24GX2-TZ5NR is the kit I have with an X670E Tomahawk and 7800X3D. It will run with the EXPO on beta AGESA, but is not 100% stable - mem tests spew errors. 6000 seems stable with tighter timings, but trying for 6200.
@@apphilxd635if your ram throws even a single error it isn't stable enough. Don't run your ram on speeds were it throws errors. Not only can you corrupt your files, it'll be running slower than it would at lower clocks (with no errors).
cani get the gskill 16gb 5600mhz for my i5 12400 and h610 asus mobo ? will it be good choice ?
can you please elaborate what does it mean exactly that memory X is hard for IMC Y? Does that mean that IMC degrades over time? Overheat? Gradually looses stability? Should users be worried about long-term reliability on "difficult to run" memory setups?
Almost purely just inherent stability. It might manifest in stability decreases over time but afaik it's not a degradation thing it's more a Russian roulette kinda thing where every time u start the pc there's a small chance it just won't be srable
No. If it's stable and your voltages aren't too high it is fine. It won't break your IMC 'faster'. Just keep the voltage reasonable
@@Frozoken ok good, thank you!
So 2x24gb kits are dual rank?
what about 2x32gb?
I'm deciding between Corsair Vengeance or Gskill Flare CL30 6000 for my new build. The Corsair kit is on the X670E Aorus Master QVL list, but the Gskill kit is not. I feel like I should go with Corsair... 😂
Yes go with the QVL. Save yourself the headache
once i get some 6000 cl30 36 36 2x32gb kit, how do i test if i got M or A die? what's better for 6000 cl28/6 ?
I love how nobody talked about memory controllers in the DDR3/DDR2 days. And I especially love buying a motherboard with 4 dimm slots only to use 2.
buy a 2 dimm then and stop whining.
It was not a big deal for most, but it was still talked about. For instance my 2600K topped out around 2200 DDR3 tight timings. But my 4970K could do 2666 ultra tight timings. That setup was a beast. Memory has always been important to me. DDR4 was mostly dominated by Samsung B die, if I recall correctly b die was released around the 6700K/7700K era, so a year or so after DDR4 was introduced into mainstream.
@@gozutheDJ Okay, champion. I don't know how you think I'm whining based on the fact I specifically stated "I especially love buying a motherboard with 4 dimm slots only to use 2."
Because it was on the chipset and not inside the CPU
I was there. Memory controllers were talked about. Some CPUs couldn't run certain memory ICs at high frequencies because the memory controller didn't support high enough memory timings. Most Athlon II couldn't do much more than DDR3 2000, while the Phenom II could do 2200+. For Intel, DDR2 and early DDR3 was on the chipset, but was the same concept. Sometimes you got unlucky with a bad motherboard.
My suspicion is that A die is harder to run than 24gbit m die because it has slightly less latency and communicates with the cpu at slightly quicker intervals leading to more stress on the memory controller at same speeds.
If you downclock from 6000 to 5600 but keep the timings the same, will that inprove stability?
will ddr5 flare x5 30-38-38-96 will work with asrock hdv m2 b650? maybe anyone knows answer please
Bought a i5-13600KF and $157 Asrock z690 pg velocita. I'm not too overclock savvy, Any recommendations (32gb-62gb) to just run XMP? I'm a simple man that need simple answers. Thank you!
6400mhz would be a safe bet for the i5 on that motherboard i believe.
got my irs refund and decided to go with 2x48 6400mhz rip jaws you spoke about for my 7950x3d. ill downclock it 6200 or 6000. cant wait to try it out.
Planning on getting x770/e or whatever the next amd mobos will be. Skipping x650/e and x670/e series.
Same over here
Same here. Processor and motherboard manufacturers need to do better with DRR5 support. Otherwise it’s a lose lose situation for everybody.
for 2×8 i think KF552C36BBEK2-16 are A-die (according to some qvls) and here in France you can save 40 bucks over anything 2×16 guaranteed hynix
2x8 looks really like a bad idea, honestly.
Like ok you want to pay less money...go ddr4 on an older ryzen?
I can only use ddr 4 ram with my motherboard. would love to know what ram to get for ddr 4
Was waiting for this
I bought a cheapo 4800 8gb stick around a month ago(didn't have anymore money for my pc) and guess what turned out to be hynix so I'm running 6200 cl28 on it(I've got a 7700)
Now I want to get better dimms
If you cut the dimm in half you can run it in dual channel. Half a dimm in each channel.
From what i have gathered the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32gb 7600Mhz/Cl36 kit is 100% A-die if someone is looking for a cheaper Hynix A-die. 7200 and most of the 7400 kits are just M-die.
Is this regarding 2x16GB? I personally have not encountered a single 2x16GB 7200c34 GSkill kit that has not been A-Die.
Are there even any GSkill 7200 MDie kits? That would be very unlikely.
The 7600 kit might ultimately end up being a slightly better A-Die bin, but not always necessarily. In general tho, the GSkill 7200 kit is very solid. Their heatspreaders tho...
@@Ben-ld1qi yes you are right the 7200 cl 34 is A-die my mistake then
what's so bad about the micron chips?