MSI B650i EDGE Wifi RAM overclocking. 2x32GB 6200 30-37-35-40 1.43V
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- The long restart is evidently a bug with the motherboard/BIOS because it keeps happening and doesn't affect mem stability.
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I like this guy
I like this guy
Hey BZ, awesome upload! Too bad you were having a long boot time. Keep on posting your videos so maybe we can learn we can learn something new from them.🎉😊😊
Any chance you could try your 7200 2x16 sticks in this board to see how it goes and what issues arise with a MSI board? - speaking for the B650 and Carbon \ Ace lads.
I am stuck on 6200mhz 30-38-38-30 and no matter what I do, can't really seem to do better on 7950x3d with X670e Carbon with TeamGroup 7200 A-die kit + Fan.
Think the "best" I got so far is 6200 2067- 28 via TestMem5 extreme lasted about 5mins before errors... I feel like I am missing something left field VPP or VDDG's being different etc. Could just be unlucky chip wise too I guess.
32:31 On MSI boards to enable custom nitro modes you should keep EXPO enabled, then you change your values in AMD OC menu and exit bios. It won't tell you that changes have been made on exit, but they get "silently" applied (check with zentimings debug -> line 211, yes you can check the training mode with zentimings debug report). Just remember when you enter again the bios those values get overwritten by MSI and automatically revert to 2-3-1, that's why it seems hardcoded. Every time you enter bis you need to apply manually again your custom values (luckily they get properly saved/loaded with profiles). You CAN adjust nitro with MSI, it just needs few extra steps get them properly working.
that's still really stupid and I hope MSI changes it
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Yes, it's a bit stupid but everything is a consequence of having two layers of settings: one provided by the MB vendor (MSI OC menu) and one provided by AMD (AMD OC).
I remember in one of your previous videos Gigabyte had this kinda similar bug with SOC voltage, later fixed with a bios update, but that was way more dangerous.
As long as you play with MSI OC menu you are pretty much safe, but when you enter AMD OC menu things start to become a bit too glitchy. Some AMD OC options like PBO settings have been already exposed in MSI OC Advanced CPU menu, so there's no need to enter the problematic AMD OC menu for PBO tuning. But some other options like advanced training/nitro are only available inside AMD OC, that's the real problem. Maybe in the future MSI will decide to expose those other settings in their vendor MSI OC menu and everything will work fine.
I have no idea how other vendors are managing this dual layer menu situation, but MSI has this little quirks if you start playing with the AMD OC menu.
Apart from that I'm running my ACE with a 7950x3d, PBO -17 all cores, 6200C28, soc 1.22, GDM off and nitro 120... I get a tPHYRDL mismatch but everything seems fine with ycruncher and TM5. Not a single crash in 6 months.
I've had this motherboard for almost a year now, the auto context restore is hit and miss but enabling it specifically seems to work. It has good post times and quick reboots for me with that set to enabled, though it does take a long time to post whenever I change any bios setting, it seems to do the full memory training again. Cpuz says i'm on bios 1.30 from 05/24/2023.
I have MSI X670E Carbon and have noticed sometimes it refuses to boot (miss training) when enabling MCR.
edit: Nitro mode also still not working in latest BIOS
Hi
On my x670e tomahawk MCR=Auto is disabled
To prevent the nitro settings from being reset, you need to leave the memory frequency in the OC section in Auto, instead set the frequency in the AMD overclocking section. However, in this case, the frequency will be reset every time you enter the BIOS. SoC LLC=Auto is 1 (most agressive)
This is now life with MSI =D
BIOS 1.40 (like on video) is the best, newer ones on cold boots drops pcie lines from x16 to x1. Tip: turn off XMP/EXPO, set ram frequency in OC tab on auto and set ram frequency in AMD overclocking - u can play with nitro settings. EXPO setting messes with Proc terminations and RTT so auto settings are better.
Applied this exact config and no issues. Msi x670e godlike, bios E7D68AMS.1A1, released in jan of this year.
In my expierience random not booting can bie tied to VDDQ/VDD some kits start behave weird when they are mismatched.
MSI has a lot of variance between different kits it seems, even with the same die. My G.Skill A-Die kit (6000C32) could not post above 7000MT/s even in 2:1 no matter what I set, but my TG kit boots 8000 on Auto. Granted the G.Skill kit isn't on the QVL, but it doesn't matter with some other boards.
Dang I was just experimenting on my kit and having issues with tRP and tRAS acting weird, I couldnt get tRP lower than 38 with my tRAS at 30, and low and behold Buildzoid is talking about the very problem I was having!
The other day I was wondering why on my ASRock X670E Steel Legend it seemed like I needed to run higher 1.4-1.45ish VDDIO which seemed slightly excessive, and then the next day he's talking about how ASRock boards generally need more VDDIO.
Every time I start having questions about my DDR5 overclocking, the next day he answers the question!
I just got me a set of Gskill Flare 5S 64gb 6400 32-39-39-103 1.4v on a Asrock X670E PG Lighting. And been trying to figure out the limits. It boots and runs with XMP but moment you stress ram it restarts or BSOD.
So let's see what the live mixer can do!
Should FCLK always be 1/3 of DRAM freq.? For example in my case 6000MT/s->2000MT/s (7800x3D)?
(You said 2/3 but u meant 1/3?)
On my MSI B650 EDGE WIFI the best setting for FCLK is 2067MHz for 6200MHz RAM, raising FCLK to 2167Mhz gives weaker results. Is this the case with other Motherboards?
Got this board myself and yeah the chipset fan tied to the CPU was the first thing I changed :) and it's just under the fan settings in BIOS and change it to chipset instead, so it's an easy fix.
Speaking of chipset, I'm amazed by your very low temps on the chipset itself, ~30C while on mine it's like 60C on idle even with a open sidepanel and chipset fan ~2800rpm.
But yeah the m.2 SSD that goes under the chipset heatsink directly add to the reported chipset temps so, did you run your m.2 at that slot, or do you run an external SSD for your testbench perhaps?
I've had the chipset heatsink / fan removed completely for the last almost a year with this board (I have an M.2 with a heatsink on it) and my chipset temp seems to sit around 50c
@@VeritronX Well, I guess it will depend on how hot the M.2 is running and I do see it idles around 55C and as the MB chipset is(sensor) sits beneath I guess the M.2 temps and chipset will be about the same temps. It feels like a strange spot to have the chipset(directly under another heat source), but one would assume engineers thought about the placement of the chipset during the mobo layout design phase :) and that it would be safe.
i have a kit of teamgroup t create and all timing are set to auto and i cant change them does anyone know how to fix this
Got really close on a rather low end SK Hynix A-die kit (Kingston Fury KF556C36-32 modules) / MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi / 7800X3D
Think I lucked out with what is a pretty low end kit. At: 6000 MT/s / 1.3v VDDQ, VDDIO & DRAM / 1.2v SoC / VDD MISC 1.1
FCLK is at 2000, for some reason anything higher did not benchmark higher or report better results in applications.
Tighter tRAS (36) & tRC (72) / Other main timings a bit looser (tCL 34 / tRCD 37 / tRP 36) - Anything else timing wise equal to guide but DDR Bus Configuration = all on Auto. Stable for hours and hours in stresstesting, no errors.
Thank you for the guide it was a great starting point after not having tuned or overclocked any RAM since DDR3 was new.
Biggest win is when playing a specific mod map in BeamNG (Polish roads). The fps almost doubled compared to EXPO defaults. The CPU and GPU utilisation was suspiciously low before OC. Wasn't aware the difference could be that big.
I had a problem with B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI where after applying XMP it wont boot if it crashes from CPU overclock with Ryzen Master, if you reboot with windows it will be fine, but a hard crash it wont boot without resetting CMOS no matter what i do.
Am running 6400 on a 7950X3D was bootable but slightl;y unstable at 7200..
What woud you say is better for gaming? 6000CL28 with your sub timings, or 6200CL30 1:1 with your sub timings? I have a kit that can do both and currently I have it running at CL28. Appreciate your videos! And your work.
6200
You can do your own tests but 6200 cl30 should even be able to beat 6000cl26, CAS doesn’t matter much at all for overall performance
Even on 7800X3D? Ty for the answers
@@cyberwolf575 The 3D V cache means the ram speed matters even less. At least for games.
I ended up being able to get my ram to run at 6400cl30 with all of buildzoid subtimings. I think that has given me the best performance. At least in games I play. Though I did notice that Valorant seemed to have preferred cl28. Idk why
I reduced my boot time in my msi godlike am5 to 47seconds from 1min30secs by changing burst lengths of DDR5 nitro to 1x. Said it would cause instabilities and I ran 4 hour y cruncher, karhu, and mem86 and no errors or crashing. Thank you for this video by the way.
hey, I have this motherboard and for me this board have a long boot time. I followed your ddr5 easy timing for ryzen 7000. My kit is F5-6000J3040F16GX2-RS5K. I also tried it with the XMP profile without manual timing, and it's still takes like more than 60s to boot. did you also get the same? I use the bios released at 2024-01-25 beta version. I saw the latest bios is released at 2024-03-22.
edit: i saw on the video you also get a long boot time, but mine doesn't get that long.
I think the dual rank sticks are making it worse. And it really doesn't like restarting. Testing the latest BIOS again
Make sure you have Memory Context Restore on. Cut my AM5 boot times from 60s to 30s.
I have this board with dual rank and mem context restore set to enabled and it boots and reboots quickly on bios from may last year, the yellow light blips for about a quarter of a second then the screen turns on and I see the msi logo. it does take a long time once every time I change a bios setting but for normal use it's been good.
If tFAW is limited to 20 wouldn't tRDDS 4 not make sense? 20÷ 4 is 5 so tRDDS 5 would be the best possible at tFAW 20?
I have this mobo from day 1, i know like my tasks, my boot system is 4, 5, secs works perfectly fine.latest bios version :).
First post! wooohoo
Outside of synthetic benchmarks my FCLK OC is slightly worse across the board.
i run a normal 6000 CL30 kit and 2100 is 2-3% slower than 2000 in every game. 2133 is even worse and 2167 is unstable.
Could you test this Ram on 7600? Also thank you, I can do all these timigs with vdd=vddq=1.32
7600 the CPU or 7600 the mem clock? Because I haven't gotten these above 6800 on AMD.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Ok I want this speed for mem clock. I watch your previous videos that you can overclock hynix mem to 8000 with 7950x. What is a difference between this kit and that one?
I own MSI x670e Carbon. MSI bios is buggy, worse than AsRock. As you just found out, Nitro and IMC tweaks don’t work. You can hack it work as someone pointed out, you have to leave OC > Dram Frequency AUTO.
I was told that this motherboard arrived at 8000mhz stable, but no one on UA-cam or Reddit has yet seen it tested
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If you want to talk about the strange things about TRP,TRAS,TRC, i did just optimize my 2 home PC and had a lot of trouble and discovering around that behavior, i done a 7600 with hynix 6000 dunno die (think a) august 2023, and my 7800x3d at 6200 hynix a die february 2024, and they have lots of different quirks if you're interested to have my report, cheers
I have been eyeing this board for a few weeks and now I kinda don't want it
"What's taking so long .. it's been 3 minutes, still not done yet"
Oh the flashbacks through my sex life. 😭
This is my mainboard. 2 DPC and all those PCB layers yet it apparently has the worst memory topology. I was hanging on till AM5 came out and couldn't delay purchase any longer - my old ivy bridge, as well as performing bad, was starting to have boot failures
it's 1DPC (DPC = Dimm slots Per Channel). But 10 layers is kinda low for a DDR5 ITX. The Z790i Edge wifi is a 12 layer. Also the CPU socket is positioned weird.
Using old bios and complaining, complaining about the vrm fan when u can select if u want to use cpu or vrm or chipset temp.
I am a buildzoid watcher since forever but it is pretty obvious he is not really put that much energy into this hobby of his nu more, just like not knowing that 1.4v system agent voltage helps with high mem oc on intel and has been so since forever.
This is ryzen……… smh
Also he has gotten 8000Mhz to run on intel and Ryzen this year. So he’s pretty accomplished overclocking wise. I’d be proud of being able to get those speeds running.
@@flitainope still haven't gotten it work on intel.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Well nobody likes intel for gaming anyway. Or at least nobody I talk to. I commented about MSI boot time reduction in another comment but you can change burst length on DDR5 nitro to 1X and it'll shave 35 seconds off the boot time with also read training.
AMD 🤮💩