What's the purpose of not showing what is being explained? I can see not showing bodies but that's about it. Worst camera work and coverage of a trial I've ever seen.
I agree, I might as well just watch the wall at my home. Hard to understand any of this because they seem to forbid everything. If it’s the judge that decides that, then why is he permitting this to be broadcasted at all?
The ones who truly matter in this trial who are seeing ALL of the gruesome photographs, every bit of evidence, are the only ones who, when sent to deliberate and go over every single detail, ALL of the evidence, ALL of the testimonies, are the Jury Members. IF that does NOT satisfy your sick minds for gore, TRY WATCHING the family members there seeing what the jury is seeing, and ask yourselves IF that was ANY of your LOVED ONES MURDERED, would you be excited and enjoying seeing and hearing the gruesome details of their MURDERS, OR would you be EXTREMELY HEARTBROKEN, truly wanting their MURDERS to be only a nightmare that you wake up from, so THANKFUL that your LOVED ONES are really alive and well?
19:37 Sound on 24:08 Witness on stand 2:02:35 Break 2:24:45 Witness back on stand 3:33:58 Break 4:49:48 Back on record / Housekeeping 4:55:51 Witness back on stand 5:31:42 Signal interrupted/ Feed down 5:38:15 Sound / Picture back on 7:04:27 Jury dismissed for weekend
I feel so bad for the Rhoden family I couldn’t even imagine losing so many family members at one time you actually have two sets of victims the 8 family members that were murdered and the loved ones that have to live with this trauma the rest of their lives. Those children have to grow without their parents all because the wagners wanted custody of a child. It’s just so surreal that they actually thought they’d get by with it. A senseless crime done by a horrible evil family. Now all these years later the rhodens have to relive this nightmare in order to get some type of justice. Let them all get the death penalty but first let them wait and suffer in prison while they think about it!! So deeply sorry to the rhodens my thoughts and prayers are with you’s.
@@anni610 if I recall correctly, all 4 defendants have been withdrawn for capital punishment. The mother is looking at 30 years. The younger brother is being tried for 75 years plus 8 life sentences. Unsure of specifics for the Father and the older brother.
It's just sickening that George and his father are putting this family through this! Jake...the younger brother was expendable... dropped on the alter and his mother also! They are all hoping on a miracle that George will be found not guilty and able to carry on the legacy of the family! Both the mother and Jake have implicated both of them in the crimes! It's just disgusting they continue to terrorize this poor family! Hope justice is given to the Rhoden and Gilley families!
Jake and his mother will not get a trial so all the details of the investigation would not have come to light to the public if George and Billy had not pled "not guilty". If they ALL had pled "guilty" then NONE of the details would have come to light and we would not know just how appalling these murderers are. It would have been all swept under the rug. I'm glad George pled "not guilty" so I can see exactly how deplorable the whole foursome is. I seriously doubt ANY jury would ever let him off.
Are you talking about the 5 day old baby? That baby was actually breastfeeding when the mother was shot. Which is absolutely horrible! I’m glad they spared the children…but that poor baby was trying to feed from the deceased momma!
He also said that he repositioned her body so that the FIVE DAY OLD INFANT could "nurse if it wanted to"....from her mother's dead body. Absolute monsters. It's a tragedy they won't get the death penalty. Hopefully this POS does.
@@jessicathomas73 I have no idea why these monsters get to sit in jail. They have no business being on earth. I hope no one ever tells that baby the full story of what happened when they grow up.
If they allowed the camera to be on with this witness, obviously at least this point there are no deceased. Frustrating we can’t even follow simple evidence being shown on the monitor!
I can’t understand why the can’t even show this evidence. I understand when it’s loved ones but this takes away all the interest in the trial. The only trial I have watched where they do this
@@patsymc6717 I understand that during jury selection, but what’s the concern now? If he’s worried a juror will watch TV (even though that doesn’t make sense since they see all evidence) why not sequester them? My guess is this is more likely just a major CYA move since it’s such a high profile case.
@@mmmhrn6176 These cases are all under the direction of the judge. People will always have a fascination with actual visual evidence. At the end of it, it really is up to the jury not the public at large. All the gruesome discovery evidence will have the biggest impact on their verdict.
@@patsymc6717 well, of course the verdict is up to the jury. I'm just confused as to why the judge would even allow the case to be covered/live streamed at all if he's not going to allow any of the evidence to be shown...including the non-gruesome evidence. Very strange.
I heard that due to the comments on this trial they are going to re-cast it for the enjoyment of the trial watchers. A new DA, a new defendant, etc. Also considering a new courthouse (taxpayer funded of course), since so many have objected to the poor old courthouse. Also a professional camera crew for your viewing pleasure. Gonna make it a real 'Perry Mason' type trial for you.
BCI had warrant to search the Wagner's property just before the Wagners fled to Alaska. What I don't understand is why BCI waited a year before the Wagner's returned to the lower 48 States before arresting them. It's not like Alaska is another country. They could have just worked with Alaskan officers to return them to Ohio. It wasn't necessary to wait a year!
I couldnt watch the whole thing; did they find only 2 individual footwear impressions, or 3 or 4 ( the 4th being bobbi jo's when she found the victims)? If only 2, why not a third? why didnt angela buy 3 pairs of shoes (for jake, george, and billy)?
This trials like watching a soap opper No clarification of anything and I've watched a few Trials. Like watching the testimony of the ex wife only for it to be marinated By neutron what the heck
@@verynearlypure sorry I meant live, as in during this live trial all witnesses have the choice of being reordered by audio & film live or to simply have their testimony reordered by court.
Useless cameraman as per usual with L&C 🤦♀️ god forbid if photos are shown 🤷♀️🤷♀️ Arias trial showed so many photos of Travis in the shower or wherever! Wtf is wrong with L& C 😡😡
This camera man is terrible. As i have worked in a law firm, when someone is addressed (on the stand) and photos presented, you should be showing them. I pray that the families do get justice. They deserve closure and i send prayers for their families.
So George was considered the most "normal" one in the family of horrors. Pretty low bar. Now his sicko mom and brother will testify against him. Guess there's no honor among murderers. In a conspiracy case, it must really be necessary to have confessions otherwise they might all get off. I just can't imagine killing an entire extended family AND expecting to get away with it. Angela is truly a dark angel.
Very sad all the way around so much losses, the young handsome man on trial could have made something great out of himself. My goodness his whole young life wasted. So sorry for the families loss.
@@Cathieemms1 exactly. The amount of evidence these people left as well...I feel so bad for the family of the victims, but the Wagner's and their supporters are absolutely terrible.
He can’t always be lucky this guy too. Complex case, or shall I say many people involved. Therefore complex. Two families, at least. Reminds me of a wellknown case in my country which happened in 1999.
What's the purpose of not showing what is being explained? I can see not showing bodies but that's about it. Worst camera work and coverage of a trial I've ever seen.
Because the judge ordered it. Has nothing to do with the camera work 🙄
I agree, I might as well just watch the wall at my home. Hard to understand any of this because they seem to forbid everything. If it’s the judge that decides that, then why is he permitting this to be broadcasted at all?
Yeah unfortunately it's like we're only getting half the story. I think everything but the bodies should be shown.
The ones who truly matter in this trial who are seeing ALL of the gruesome photographs, every bit of evidence, are the only ones who, when sent to deliberate and go over every single detail, ALL of the evidence, ALL of the testimonies, are the Jury Members. IF that does NOT satisfy your sick minds for gore, TRY WATCHING the family members there seeing what the jury is seeing, and ask yourselves IF that was ANY of your LOVED ONES MURDERED, would you be excited and enjoying seeing and hearing the gruesome details of their MURDERS, OR would you be EXTREMELY HEARTBROKEN, truly wanting their MURDERS to be only a nightmare that you wake up from, so THANKFUL that your LOVED ONES are really alive and well?
This Judge puts in a full day, refreshing change
It’s Appalachia, old school values
19:37 Sound on
24:08 Witness on stand
2:02:35 Break
2:24:45 Witness back on stand
3:33:58 Break
4:49:48 Back on record / Housekeeping
4:55:51 Witness back on stand
5:31:42 Signal interrupted/ Feed down
5:38:15 Sound / Picture back on
7:04:27 Jury dismissed for weekend
I feel so bad for the Rhoden family I couldn’t even imagine losing so many family members at one time you actually have two sets of victims the 8 family members that were murdered and the loved ones that have to live with this trauma the rest of their lives. Those children have to grow without their parents all because the wagners wanted custody of a child. It’s just so surreal that they actually thought they’d get by with it. A senseless crime done by a horrible evil family. Now all these years later the rhodens have to relive this nightmare in order to get some type of justice. Let them all get the death penalty but first let them wait and suffer in prison while they think about it!!
So deeply sorry to the rhodens my thoughts and prayers are with you’s.
Capital punishment is off the table as long the younger brother “plays ball” with the prosecution.
@@verynearlypure is it totally off the table for all Wagner’s or just for Jake Wagner, younger brother of George Wagner?
@@anni610 if I recall correctly, all 4 defendants have been withdrawn for capital punishment. The mother is looking at 30 years. The younger brother is being tried for 75 years plus 8 life sentences. Unsure of specifics for the Father and the older brother.
They are going for death penalty for bro George but if Jake does what they want even if George gets it he may not die... Crazy huh
@@stephaniedammert6118 wow! Shocking so really it’s in Jake’s hands? Mad!
It's just sickening that George and his father are putting this family through this! Jake...the younger brother was expendable... dropped on the alter and his mother also! They are all hoping on a miracle that George will be found not guilty and able to carry on the legacy of the family! Both the mother and Jake have implicated both of them in the crimes! It's just disgusting they continue to terrorize this poor family! Hope justice is given to the Rhoden and Gilley families!
Jake and his mother will not get a trial so all the details of the investigation would not have come to light to the public if George and Billy had not pled "not guilty". If they ALL had pled "guilty" then NONE of the details would have come to light and we would not know just how appalling these murderers are. It would have been all swept under the rug. I'm glad George pled "not guilty" so I can see exactly how deplorable the whole foursome is. I seriously doubt ANY jury would ever let him off.
So the baby’s mother was shot while holding her baby, and the dirtbag left the child in a home by itself with no one to care for it.. 🤔
Are you talking about the 5 day old baby? That baby was actually breastfeeding when the mother was shot. Which is absolutely horrible! I’m glad they spared the children…but that poor baby was trying to feed from the deceased momma!
@@NukkinMisfit wait...what?! Omg. I hadn't heard the baby was breastfeeding.
@@NukkinMisfit That is by far one of the worst things I have ever heard.
He also said that he repositioned her body so that the FIVE DAY OLD INFANT could "nurse if it wanted to"....from her mother's dead body. Absolute monsters. It's a tragedy they won't get the death penalty. Hopefully this POS does.
@@jessicathomas73 I have no idea why these monsters get to sit in jail. They have no business being on earth. I hope no one ever tells that baby the full story of what happened when they grow up.
Ahhh! Finally found L&C Network making sense watching this trial.Thank you👍 I was so confused watching WBNS 10 TV and WCPO9
If they allowed the camera to be on with this witness, obviously at least this point there are no deceased. Frustrating we can’t even follow simple evidence being shown on the monitor!
They are showing facts and items from the murders. But they need to tie them to George.
For crying out loud most of the people watching this are adults they should show the pictures of evidence unless it's totally gruesome!
I can’t understand why the can’t even show this evidence. I understand when it’s loved ones but this takes away all the interest in the trial. The only trial I have watched where they do this
The Judge is not taking any chances. He has warned the media repeatedly early on. Therefore, nothing is getting out to avoid a slip up.
@@patsymc6717 I understand that during jury selection, but what’s the concern now? If he’s worried a juror will watch TV (even though that doesn’t make sense since they see all evidence) why not sequester them? My guess is this is more likely just a major CYA move since it’s such a high profile case.
@@mmmhrn6176 These cases are all under the direction of the judge. People will always have a fascination with actual visual evidence. At the end of it, it really is up to the jury not the public at large. All the gruesome discovery evidence will have the biggest impact on their verdict.
@@patsymc6717 well, of course the verdict is up to the jury. I'm just confused as to why the judge would even allow the case to be covered/live streamed at all if he's not going to allow any of the evidence to be shown...including the non-gruesome evidence. Very strange.
Where was Sophia when Hannah was murdered?
I heard that due to the comments on this trial they are going to re-cast it for the enjoyment of the trial watchers. A new DA, a new defendant, etc. Also considering a new courthouse (taxpayer funded of course), since so many have objected to the poor old courthouse. Also a professional camera crew for your viewing pleasure. Gonna make it a real 'Perry Mason' type trial for you.
Turn up the volume
Wow! Perfect comment- exactly!!
BCI had warrant to search the Wagner's property just before the Wagners fled to Alaska. What I don't understand is why BCI waited a year before the Wagner's returned to the lower 48 States before arresting them. It's not like Alaska is another country. They could have just worked with Alaskan officers to return them to Ohio. It wasn't necessary to wait a year!
Why can’t the camera man just stay on the photos til the ones we can’t see?
Because the judge said so
Where is the transparency in this trial? when the "world" is only getting half a story...is there any point in showing any of it at all?
like this attorney much better than the dry blonde hair attorney. He doesn't have an annoying voice and say "um" every other word.
I had to stop watching her opening statement because of that lol
@@christinajackson4649 agreed! I don’t think anyone listened to her full opening statement. Not even the jury. 🤷🏽♀️
she is back today... it's excruciating
I couldnt watch the whole thing; did they find only 2 individual footwear impressions, or 3 or 4 ( the 4th being bobbi jo's when she found the victims)? If only 2, why not a third? why didnt angela buy 3 pairs of shoes (for jake, george, and billy)?
❤️🙏🏽🕊I am so sorry for the loss of your loved ones. May God keep you and comfort you. 😔
22:51 (enjoy)
This trials like watching a soap opper No clarification of anything and I've watched a few Trials. Like watching the testimony of the ex wife only for it to be marinated By neutron what the heck
So far this trial is way too boring and slow I want to see Mrs Wagner get on the stand
Plus Jake! Unless they both decide to say no to camera & audio! Which keeps happening with witnesses!
@@anni610 They don’t have that right. They’re defendants, it will be recorded and public record.
@@verynearlypure they’re not defendants in this trial tho.
@@verynearlypure sorry I meant live, as in during this live trial all witnesses have the choice of being reordered by audio & film live or to simply have their testimony reordered by court.
@@anni610 yes your are correct. My mistake. Judge also gave the mom and youngest the option to opt out of recording.
All I can hear from this prosecutor is…. AAAAAANNNNNNND It’s so distracting
Useless cameraman as per usual with L&C 🤦♀️ god forbid if photos are shown 🤷♀️🤷♀️ Arias trial showed so many photos of Travis in the shower or wherever! Wtf is wrong with L& C 😡😡
Judge ordered it. It's not L&C 🙄
Less $ and more backward from a state to rural area.
This camera man is terrible. As i have worked in a law firm, when someone is addressed (on the stand) and photos presented, you should be showing them. I pray that the families do get justice. They deserve closure and i send prayers for their families.
This camera person 👎 can't even watch this L&C
I’m not making light of these tragic scenes but all the people who do not want to see it can and all the people that want to cant
Which child were they fighting over?
I’ve never watched a trial that on day five I’m confused as to what the heck is going on
L&C you need to hire better cameramen. This is horrible.
Witness @ 23 minutes.
What is the break for?
Did they not come back for lunch?
So George was considered the most "normal" one in the family of horrors. Pretty low bar. Now his sicko mom and brother will testify against him. Guess there's no honor among murderers. In a conspiracy case, it must really be necessary to have confessions otherwise they might all get off. I just can't imagine killing an entire extended family AND expecting to get away with it. Angela is truly a dark angel.
can't believe a lego toy head can kill people smdh
Perfect description
Lego toys are really cool.
The put a huge tv directly over the witness. Sounds like a liability to me
Very sad all the way around so much losses, the young handsome man on trial could have made something great out of himself. My goodness his whole young life wasted. So sorry for the families loss.
Wth lol he's homely
Another witness opt out? Happy Monday all!
🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
The Wagner's we're framed
Wagners admitted
To having killed everyone
So they were not framed
Dare to elaborate or just a troll? 🥱
Yah sure! That’s why Jake and Angela confessed!
@@verynearlypure just a troll. Or someone who is delusional.
@@Cathieemms1 exactly. The amount of evidence these people left as well...I feel so bad for the family of the victims, but the Wagner's and their supporters are absolutely terrible.
This female attorney is so weak it's sickening just taking questions from notes is ridiculous
This couple attorneys for George porge are just as weak, objection objection just to make a decoy
He can’t always be lucky this guy too. Complex case, or shall I say many people involved. Therefore complex. Two families, at least. Reminds me of a wellknown case in my country which happened in 1999.
Did I hit a nerve