As a controller player on console, I would say that some smg's are really easy to use at close range, but when you past 15 to 18 meters the aim assist feels so low and it is hard to hit your shots. You can see this with the scope of shayura's wrath, when it is red you are in aim assist range, when you don't just disengage.
Kinetic Tremors was a lot of fun before it got nerfed, it was basically a SMG malfeasance because after a certain amount of hits they were dead no matter what, but unlike Malfeasance, it was activated every single duel, effectively reducing your ttk like target lock every time. I once got a guy that blocked my line of sight with the barricade and he still died because Kinetic Tremors activated while he was locked into the barricade placement animation. After the nerf, you need to be hitting exclusively bodyshots or you will never see it activate.
Instead of full bore for max range you should try small bore for the added stability, IMO the god roll for max range is: Small bore, Ricochet rounds, well rounded, fragile focus and range masterwork. With all perks active you reach 90 range. You get the additional 10 from the Nadir focus trait when firing the weapon on target plus you would be at 72 stability and 80 handling at the same time. It's currently the best roll that can be gotten for lightweight SMGs in terms of range, stability, and aim assistance.
Also you did the tap smg mag reload thing kind of wrong. You just need to tap it once and continue shooting it will refresh as you shoot. So it allows you to have double mag for engages. So instead of reload in the middle of an engagement you can tap in the middle of shooting and reset the mag.
BRING MULTI BACK GODDAMNIT also you’re feeling the recoil more due to the zoom as while zoom doesn’t effect range it effects aa and bloom cones Collective action can let you do nutty things on stasis Titian taking it to a .6 ttk
Hey Walluh, if you want a buttery smooth, high range lightweight SMG that doesn't kick like a damn mule on MnK, like a real posterchild for the best the archetype has to offer, try and hunt down a Out of Bounds, the Arc Omolon one from Crucible. Full Bore, High Cal or Ricochet for 53 or 63 stability after the Foundry perk, Dynamic Sway (or Moving Target or Killing Wind) in 3rd column, and Fragile Focus in 4th column, comes out to an 82 range monster, with a naturally high base AE of 23 second only to Submission from Vow. While unfortunately you'd have to play a ton more crucible to get it focused like Unending Tempest, it's also just the best the archetype has to offer, and it doesn't take up your kinetic slot for exotics. It slots in real well on Hunter specifically too with Renewals, or Foetracer and Bakris builds to ease that crit-body forgiveness further down.
I have a wellrounded target lock roll, have been looking for a fragile focus max range roll but hasn't happened yet. I think its a lot of fun to use but it certainly doesn't seem as good as other option unless you get the perfect roll :^) Fun gun otherwise but the kick does seem crazy at times.
Smg ease of use depends on the range you can map people way further on pc. Alternatively you can hit shots easier on controller but can't push out your range nearly as far
If you thought that cold hearts ttk was nuts try out Tommy’s matchbook, it does almost the same thing but all you have to do is prefire Edit: and all you have to do to cancel out the self damage is just pop a healing rift or just use an enhanced healing nade and you’ll be fine, plus the intrinsic scorch gets you your rift back really fast
I have an overflow target lock and it isn’t good but it’s extremely fun cause you get 74 bullets and I just imagine the enemy being like “does this guy have infinite ammo!!!”
i'm late, but i would really enjoy a video on you just thinking out loud during your PvP gameplay, i love hearing the thought process of a pro player :D
As a controller user recoil and stability is a pretty constant disadvantage compared to mouse and keyboard..plus the aim assist is usually in the same boat cause it does play havoc against you if you wanted to change targets
I genuinely don’t understand how in every video you use an SMG and complain about recoil/stability, your gun still shoots like a laser and beams people. No recoil/ kick. Especially after the recent change which makes “pulling down” not enough
Exactly what i was going comment. It allows you to do so much more. Even if you miss a couple head shots KT allows you to run away and let it finish the enemy off. It does 80 dmg in a 5m aoe. If they group with team mates it soften them up for multi kills.
Tbh it doesnt feel bad but since i play console i can say that the recoil is up to the user lol its if the user can control it but it is much easier to control
Funnel Web is a waaay better 900. The one i use in PvP has max range @74, perpetual, and rangefinder. It also has 14 zoom rather than 13. It was really good before the rangefinder nerf, but it's still solid.
Since the nerf to the effect of stability the 900s feel terrible without around 50 stability minimum. My max range Multimach with DSR and Iron Reach went from my favourite weapon to sitting in the vault. I understand what Bungie are trying to do, but these stability changes have made a lot of weapons feel awful to use. A lot of my pulses are garbage now, and this is on M&K. One of the only things Destiny 2 has going for it is how good the gunplay is compared to other games. Now Bungie are ruining even that. On top of the movement nerfs they are just driving people away, they don’t seem to understand why people play D2.
destiny can be better then cod completely in pvp if they do 3 things. Make the games longer, make revive back to spawn quicker, and let everything be overpowered. It’s gonna be horrible at first but people will slowly adapt and change to how everything plays. also since you respond back so quickly most people wouldn’t be thinking about how stupid they died. also i forgot one last thing make it 10v10 the maps are huge, it’ll force people to move around more and less campers. everyone will be forced to get good
This is getting really annoying at this point. If they want to keep smgs in the game like this, just buff every other weapon. Make scouts better, give them more handling. Give more damage to pulses, let 140 hc 2 headshot 1 bodyshot and so on, buff everything, make the game like d1. People can argue all day long that the games are really different, in terms of abilities yes but when it comes to weapons smgs are the only weapons that are the same as 900 rpm auto rifles from d1. They had thorn in a really nice spot for a few weeks then they nerfed it, come on, take smgs out of the game already or nerf them like every other weapon
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Every like on this video gary gets 1 piece of food
Plz help Gary, he’s hungry
Disliked. No food for Gary
Dont worry i have something wrong with my brain also :)
*wallah starts counting cereal flakes*
grains of rice or?
why is every titan you use color coordinated like a box of random crayons?
Wdym he looks sick
Never heard "you are what you eat?"
not all of us understand the titan mentality, you clearly being one of those people
@@SayWallahBruhyea no, he looks horrible sorry buddy
@@AranDomGuy1styou don't either
As a controller player on console, I would say that some smg's are really easy to use at close range, but when you past 15 to 18 meters the aim assist feels so low and it is hard to hit your shots. You can see this with the scope of shayura's wrath, when it is red you are in aim assist range, when you don't just disengage.
YO THAT TITAN SNORTED SOME DOPE LOOKIN CRAYONS
😂
I miss multimach 😢
Edit: should give calus mini tool a shot, moving target and tap the trigger is lowkey good
i have it fully crafted max range w/ those enhanced perks!
mini tool just feels terrible to me. Maybe it's the low recoil direction but it feels like it kicks everywhere.
Use it with mida multi tool too and you get the extra speed buffs to compensate for the pk nerfs
Multi is still pretty good tbh
Kinetic Tremors was a lot of fun before it got nerfed, it was basically a SMG malfeasance because after a certain amount of hits they were dead no matter what, but unlike Malfeasance, it was activated every single duel, effectively reducing your ttk like target lock every time. I once got a guy that blocked my line of sight with the barricade and he still died because Kinetic Tremors activated while he was locked into the barricade placement animation. After the nerf, you need to be hitting exclusively bodyshots or you will never see it activate.
so dumb they nerfed it, made no sense
how and when did they nerf it
smg nerfed how many hits required to proc tremors@@clockproof
You can still shoot and shoulder charge. Just only at the tail end. Timing ofc has to be on point tho.
For your controller question, yes there’s more recoils than mnk BUT it’s easier to control (usually)
Nice discord intro with half the chat going "I LOVE MEN", lol.
Instead of full bore for max range you should try small bore for the added stability, IMO the god roll for max range is: Small bore, Ricochet rounds, well rounded, fragile focus and range masterwork. With all perks active you reach 90 range. You get the additional 10 from the Nadir focus trait when firing the weapon on target plus you would be at 72 stability and 80 handling at the same time. It's currently the best roll that can be gotten for lightweight SMGs in terms of range, stability, and aim assistance.
Also you did the tap smg mag reload thing kind of wrong. You just need to tap it once and continue shooting it will refresh as you shoot. So it allows you to have double mag for engages. So instead of reload in the middle of an engagement you can tap in the middle of shooting and reset the mag.
BRING MULTI BACK GODDAMNIT
also you’re feeling the recoil more due to the zoom as while zoom doesn’t effect range it effects aa and bloom cones
Collective action can let you do nutty things on stasis Titian taking it to a .6 ttk
5 days looking for a god roll of mid. See ya tomorrow 😊
Please use archers tempo/swashbuckler on point of the stag with solar hunter. Its day8
Dnieee leaving frame one on Cauldron is so funny 💀
Just use Out of bounds! It’s such a sleeper smg. I use perpetual fragile and paired with its origin trait, the thing doesn’t move an inch.
Hey Walluh, if you want a buttery smooth, high range lightweight SMG that doesn't kick like a damn mule on MnK, like a real posterchild for the best the archetype has to offer, try and hunt down a Out of Bounds, the Arc Omolon one from Crucible. Full Bore, High Cal or Ricochet for 53 or 63 stability after the Foundry perk, Dynamic Sway (or Moving Target or Killing Wind) in 3rd column, and Fragile Focus in 4th column, comes out to an 82 range monster, with a naturally high base AE of 23 second only to Submission from Vow.
While unfortunately you'd have to play a ton more crucible to get it focused like Unending Tempest, it's also just the best the archetype has to offer, and it doesn't take up your kinetic slot for exotics. It slots in real well on Hunter specifically too with Renewals, or Foetracer and Bakris builds to ease that crit-body forgiveness further down.
My Killing Wind/Kill Clip Multimach still slaps. If they rerelease that beast and people can focus it, it's gonna be everywhere again.
I have a dynamic sway+fragile focus roll with range masterwork. Ricochet rounds and full bore/small bore. It’s a fun gun to goof around with.
prolonged engagement is a vanguard smg and has better recoil with 95. it can get rangefinder also.
Chroma rush has 28m max range and rolls kill clip dynamic sway :) Its a bullet hose with .4 ttk (i think?)
I have a wellrounded target lock roll, have been looking for a fragile focus max range roll but hasn't happened yet. I think its a lot of fun to use but it certainly doesn't seem as good as other option unless you get the perfect roll :^) Fun gun otherwise but the kick does seem crazy at times.
Smg ease of use depends on the range you can map people way further on pc. Alternatively you can hit shots easier on controller but can't push out your range nearly as far
I really enjoy videos when you play rumble (in playlist not vs your friends)
If you thought that cold hearts ttk was nuts try out Tommy’s matchbook, it does almost the same thing but all you have to do is prefire
Edit: and all you have to do to cancel out the self damage is just pop a healing rift or just use an enhanced healing nade and you’ll be fine, plus the intrinsic scorch gets you your rift back really fast
I have the same roll with Heating Up in the first column. Might help with the recoil.
I can guarantee you if I ever got well-rounded/fragile focus, it was an auto delete.
Do you speed up the footage. This fels so much faster than what i experience when i play
The beast at the start is tough. Made me wanna spit somethin
FUCK i forgot to tell you i got it 😭
Wallah my glorious king😫
You should try multimach again, and compare it from being the best smg to just mid smg
“Nico freelo”- Wallah
I have wellrounded and target lock is that good?
i got a max range + well rounded and target lock. it fun, but since it’s a 900, it’s not good compared to 600s and 720s
What’s the retold tale roll wallah ?
Wallah, it's time to do some math here: how good can adept pali be stat wise if it returned with perks like keep away, opening shot, slideshot, etc?
I made a video on that 😂 it would be S tier if it came back with slideshot and keepaway stuff like that 100%
Imo controller recoil is a little harder bc it’s so easy to over do it or under do it
You can ‘Nam load the SMG like that over and over if you bring up your ghost between each time.
I was so confused on the intro I thought the video was paused 😭
Before the Kinetic Tremors nerf this thing SLAPPED in the Crucible! It then got nerfed literal days after I got the roll I wanted 😢
I like these regular live coms!
I have an overflow target lock and it isn’t good but it’s extremely fun cause you get 74 bullets and I just imagine the enemy being like “does this guy have infinite ammo!!!”
Didnt they change recoil for all smgs a few weeks ago?
i'm late, but i would really enjoy a video on you just thinking out loud during your PvP gameplay, i love hearing the thought process of a pro player :D
I have a full bore, HCR, well rounded, target lock, and Range MW role
For the Feeding Gary Foundation
Got a HF, RR, TL with a Stab MW and it's pretty good.
As soon as i seen this video i pulled a showrunner with well rounded and target lock
I’ve got fluted barrel, RR, Dynamic sway, fragile focus, with a range MW if you wanna try that
As a controller user recoil and stability is a pretty constant disadvantage compared to mouse and keyboard..plus the aim assist is usually in the same boat cause it does play havoc against you if you wanted to change targets
Dam if I was in the loop I have that exact roll an well rounded an target lock either fragile focus an target lock
I love when wallah bounces all over ☺️☺️☺️
Also have you used rapacious apatite yet?
Out of bounds can have 100 range and handling with killing wind and fagile focus. Give that a try
I had well rounded fragile lmfao, with range masterwork and ricochet as well, trashed it cos i hated it lol
It does kick alot. It's almost uncontrollable.
I have a well rounded kinetic trem roll and it is NASTY!
I use prolonged engagement it's dawmm good great perks. 👌
I genuinely don’t understand how in every video you use an SMG and complain about recoil/stability, your gun still shoots like a laser and beams people. No recoil/ kick. Especially after the recent change which makes “pulling down” not enough
I turned on 460 of those engrams to get the sniper with destabilizing rounds so Ik how you feel lol
Personally I found that kinetic tremors was the best for this thing and it might be worth a try if you wanna drop another vid on it lol
Exactly what i was going comment. It allows you to do so much more. Even if you miss a couple head shots KT allows you to run away and let it finish the enemy off. It does 80 dmg in a 5m aoe. If they group with team mates it soften them up for multi kills.
They destroyed kinetic tremors in PvP. It takes like 14 bullets to proc, so unless you're hitting all body shots you'll never even see it.
@@Mr_Ruhl Oh. When it first came out it was like 6-8 or something for LW smg's. Well that sucks.
@@Mr_Ruhl Ahhh rip didn't know that
@@King_Midas_Touch yup, and the kinetic explosions only do 20 damage a piece in PvP.
mnk has reduced recoil (20%?), controller has friction
I have everything FB RR DYNAMIC SWAY FRAGILE FOCUS & RANGE MASTER WORK imo it’s a 5/5
Tbh it doesnt feel bad but since i play console i can say that the recoil is up to the user lol its if the user can control it but it is much easier to control
Compared to other SMGs it still feels like ass.
Wallah, how much zoom do you think SMGs need on MnK to reduce ghost bullets?
Funnel Web is a waaay better 900. The one i use in PvP has max range @74, perpetual, and rangefinder. It also has 14 zoom rather than 13. It was really good before the rangefinder nerf, but it's still solid.
I had this role but I deleted it because it felt bad.
Target lock is the move here
Tbh, you were having a easier time with Cerberus than this SMG
I love you sometimes but you lack range 😔
@Reeshifoo It just needs some aa range and some tighter spread and then we are gucci, it wouldn't be broken *cough* smgs *cough*
You can get target lock on it
I use submission, its amazing with perpetual and swash :)
20/3, thats all we need to know about rumble
I wonder how a max range 900 rpm smg would handle for you 🤣🤣can’t remember if you made a video on submission smg
Since the nerf to the effect of stability the 900s feel terrible without around 50 stability minimum. My max range Multimach with DSR and Iron Reach went from my favourite weapon to sitting in the vault.
I understand what Bungie are trying to do, but these stability changes have made a lot of weapons feel awful to use. A lot of my pulses are garbage now, and this is on M&K. One of the only things Destiny 2 has going for it is how good the gunplay is compared to other games. Now Bungie are ruining even that. On top of the movement nerfs they are just driving people away, they don’t seem to understand why people play D2.
Day 632: Goldexgle 1v1
lol I just checked my vault. I actually have the 5/5 u we’re looking for IM SO SORRY
I had this exact roll that I deleted a month ago
As someone who uses SMG on controller I can tell you that you can be aiming at the sky and get headshots
What in the crayon eater
Calus mini tool crying
Magic, wizard gang 🧙♂️
What’s the gold eagle count…. WHATS THE DAMN GOLD EAGLE COUNT!
Here before the guy who wants to 1v1 wallah
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V. Nevermind i just saw the comment 😢
Laughs in sweet business
destiny can be better then cod completely in pvp if they do 3 things. Make the games longer, make revive back to spawn quicker, and let everything be overpowered. It’s gonna be horrible at first but people will slowly adapt and change to how everything plays. also since you respond back so quickly most people wouldn’t be thinking about how stupid they died. also i forgot one last thing make it 10v10 the maps are huge, it’ll force people to move around more and less campers. everyone will be forced to get good
build video babe 😩
This is getting really annoying at this point. If they want to keep smgs in the game like this, just buff every other weapon. Make scouts better, give them more handling. Give more damage to pulses, let 140 hc 2 headshot 1 bodyshot and so on, buff everything, make the game like d1. People can argue all day long that the games are really different, in terms of abilities yes but when it comes to weapons smgs are the only weapons that are the same as 900 rpm auto rifles from d1. They had thorn in a really nice spot for a few weeks then they nerfed it, come on, take smgs out of the game already or nerf them like every other weapon
Day 34: use rain of fire boots and float with sweet business
Double GL chop chop😡
u made dnieee rq LMFAO
As a hunter I do not approve of the fashion, but as a kid I do approve of the fashion.
Day 8 of asking for swash/archers tempo point of the stag
Day 302 of asking for drip explination
It probably wouldn't suck if you had a better roll lol
yes it is better on controller
Crazy to me how there isn't more debate or talk about console just out right having more recoil
Waaaaahhh aim asssist waaaaaahhh
No. Just no.
Day 29: 1v1 Hynra
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Day 5: please get on my account and use my god roll senuna (headseeker 3 burst sidearm) I promise you it’s actually insane
I like watching your videos but can you please stop saying God damn and useing Gods name in vain or im gone.😊
Funnelweb is great. On controller I'd say 600 Rpm smgs are the easiest to use
The smg’s recoil sucks so bad, no matter the perks and stability etc. Nothing worked for me, everything else felt much better.