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People are saying that Barry wasn’t vibrating at the end because it’s from our perspective, from past Barry’s perspective maybe it looked like he was vibrating because he was so fast?
More likely there are changes which can occur in the timeline that don’t matter as long as they result in the same outcome. Barry just didn’t remember that he was phasing when he first came to the past 9 years ago so he didn’t, but he remembered the warning to not interfere
i imagine it was cause they didn’t wanna set a “final” costume in season 1 otherwise the end of the show suit would’ve already been shown and then they couldn’t change it unless they retcon it which would be worse so they just showed him vibrating
@@Xavier-sl7hn it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore. the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so...... They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
@@Cluo06 No, that's not why she trusted him. That time remnant was completely different and it might not even be the same one which was shown in "blur" in previous seasons
Eobard: This is the worst night of your life…. I KNOW IT! Barry: …And it brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since…. WOW. What a line. Tremendous episode. Hope the final 3 will bring just as much to the table. Great reactions as always!
@@phantom2683 yeah it's weird yet hopeful...cause the chick who plays Kaitlin wrote the last episode with Green Arrow and Flash and that was the best one of the whole season..and I'm not sure if she'll return finishing the writing for these last few episodes but I do hope so
@@anthonysalinas-candelero9978 it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore. the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so...... They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
I’m glad Eric understands how the timelines work. It gets kind of confusing after a while, especially with the OG Flash not existing anymore. This was a great episode, seeing Barry finally able to live through that night, but instead of being rash and possibly messing things up like in the past seasons, he’s calm, focused, and does everything right. Hopefully the rest of the season can keep up this quality!
Hate to burst your bubble but he doesn't - this episode is a total retcon. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place. The Speedforce makes sure people still fulfill there purpose in the Timeline. So even though OG Barry would be erased after Season 1, the event of his saving his younger self will always happen despite him being erased. However, like I said they retconned it.Timeline. So even though OG Barry would be erased after Season 1, the event of his saving his younger self will always happen despite him being erased. However, like I said they retconned it.
@@jeremymorris345 you are absolutely correct. There are things they missed and a few plot holes when they did this full circle moment. But at least they tried. I enjoyed. Better than the cringy crap they’ve given us in the last 3-4 years
@@jeremymorris345 Fair enough, so basically Eobard created a new time loop by killing Barry’s mother, and Barry just closed that loop by replacing his original timeline self if I get what you’re saying. Though I guess now we don’t know how or why Barry and Eobard were brought back to 2000. We can assume it’s Cobalt Blue related and they were of course needed to keep that fixed point in tact, but hopefully we find out more as we get closer the the finale.
That moment Aaron's eyes light up as he realises what day in the timeline we are in is pure gold and then being swiftly followed by Eric realising it was so hype and exaclty why I have come back to this channel every day for years. They are true fans of the shows they watch and so natural when watching them. This episode gave me some hope for the final few episodes of the show.
The score during this episode was PHENOMENAL too. Did they get a new composer? It sounded so beautiful all throughout, so elegant and classy, like a film.
no i think blake neely and nathaniel blume just finally have a reason to produce quality stuff again. nothing during the past couple seasons has been worth their peak and i don’t blame them for the dip in the score’s quality.
In the comics Malcolm Thawne was Barry's identical twin that was given to the Thawne family to cover up a medical blunder by the doctor during delivery that caused the death of the Thawne's son, while Barry's mom was told that Barry's twin brother was stillborn. I wonder if in the show they've instead made Malcolm Gilmore the twin of Eddie Thawne who was raised by a different family. Gilmore is actually the surname of the doctor that switched Malcolm for a dead baby and gave him to the Thawne family in the comic.
"But Fate , It's tricky isn't it ... I come here to destroy you , then to get home I have to be the one who creates you."- Eobard Thawne as Harrison Wells back in season 1 Flashback ....
22:41 Grant is and will always be the flash. That dialogue almost made me cry 😢 considering everything Barry has been through. This show has pissed me off over the last 3-4 years. But I’m glad we got this.
Honestly it had some low point’s but this is the flash and always will be probably, tbh i dont see any flash taking his place as this show almost a decade old and it’s unlikely they will keep on a good flash actor but im still gonna watch the flash movie coming out for flashpoint trying to ignore the horrible shit
the fact Eric Wallace co-wrote and directed this episode is crazy. despite my deserved criticism towards him, I will give credit where credit is due. Eric Wallace wrote his ass off this episode and the result was one of the best Flash episodes ever and THE most satisfying endings to an episode the show's entirety.
The reason it was so good is that it had that season 1&2 feeling. The story is a bit more grounded and centered around Barry not 10 more useless characters. Make the drama more interesting and grounded so CGI muck is no needed. Let it be personal and not another cheesy villain of the week. Look at what Superman and Lois are doing !!
@DerZuschauer How do you know they aren't in 2024 right now lol ? Hell, its 2023 in real world, you don't think they possibly ahead by 1 yr ? Iris stomach is now wayyy big from last episode - time jump. Don't forget, vanishing b4 his daughter birth was part of the future and it just happened ....
@@FailingIsUnderrated it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore. the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so...... They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
Always with the fixed point of Nora being killed, it always gets to me. Seeing Henry and Nora being happy together Also I love the OG Reverse Flash suit!
one of the best and emotional episodes in the show Matt as reverse flash is incredible to watch when Nora said the flashback moment he’s just like my father was so emotional and the scene in the hospital when Barry talks to them and the same music was playing from 1x23 Nora death scene so many tears in this episode loved it hope the last 3 episodes continue on this level also Cobalt Blue is here!
It says Malcolm Gilmore. In the comics he's Malcolm thawne. Gilmore is the name of the doctor that switched Malcolm for a dead baby and gave him to the thawne family. He was born Barry's twin and they told Nora that the twin died and gave the baby to the mother of the baby that actually died. This is Cobalts background. It could be an alternate universe, or it could be the same world with changes due to the crisis.
My god Grant was SO good in this episode. Those moments with his parents actually gave me a lump in my throat when you see how heavy Barry’s heart gets
The reason it was so good is that it had that season 1&2 feeling. The story is a bit more grounded and centered around Barry not 10 more useless characters. Make the drama more interesting and grounded so CGI muck is no needed. Let it be personal and not another cheesy villain of the week. Look at what Superman and Lois are doing !!
man it feels good to enjoy a flash episode again. these past 2 have been so fun. reminds me of when the arrowverse first started. sad to see it ending.
I really hope they stick the landing with these last few episodes. The fans and the people behind the scenes deserve an amazing last impression. So far it's doing that job.
I'm pretty sure Rick Cosnett is playing Malcolm Thawne, that's who Cobalt Blue is in the comics. Edit:After they zoomed in on the ID Badge, it apparently says Malcolm Gilmore. In the comics when Malcom was born he was stolen from the Allen family by a doctor named Dr. Gilmore and later was raised by the Thawne family (Eddie's Parents)
There's a youtube video out there called "What really happened that night Final version". It cuts together everything that goes on. Would love to see you guys do a quick reaction to that.
it is great to see matt's eobard, john wesley ship as henry allen, nora back again this episode was great and so emotional glad they are wrapping all the plot points up.
WAIT ! Hold up im just realising that the whole episode revolves around Nora and Henry helping "Bart" after our Barry leaves saving his younger self, the season 1 goes and talks to Nora... so She at that moment must realise that WAIT?! its Bart as he tells her that its Me BARRY!!
It looked like the name tag said Malcolm Gilmore.....MAYBE he is actually Malcolm Thawne, but he was adopted at birth by a family whose last name is Gilmore
to clear up confusion, OG timeline barry is gone, he wasn't fighting thawne in the house in this episode, that was our barry, he did exactly the same thing OG timeline barry did.
Yeah Eric hit the nail on the head with the 'OG Flash" stuff. The original "future" Barry we saw back in season one no longer exists due to all the timeline changes + Crisis. But as Thawne said, Nora's death is a fixed point and has to be preserved regardless of how many timeline changes occur. Thawne is a time remnant from a timeline that no longer exists and current Barry now takes the place of his OG future self. It's not so much a loop, as a new version of the same events. The timeline is preserved and Barry gains the inner peace he has so desperately been searching for. The circle is complete. As for Eddie, I think we are dealing with a time displaced Eddie who got dropped in the 2040s after the being sucked into singularity at the end of season 1. He lost his memories but the NSF choose him as the next avatar in order to exploit his feelings of regret and jealously he feels towards Barry since he's essentially died for nothing. Barry stole his girl and his life and the NSF is going to use those feelings of resentment to make him the new Avatar.
Literally love how everything comes back for circle Also,Nora believing that S1 Barry is her son from the future totally makes sense now (in Henry & Joe's case:it's kind of confusing but it was just a stranger they had met so they probably forgot)
These are the 2 separate timelines we saw of the night Nora Allen was murdered. I might have got 1 or2 things wrong but I think it's fairly accurate. March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (pre-Flashpoint, pre-Crisis) In 2024, a fight between the original timeline Flash (the version of Barry that became the Flash in 2020 and has both living parents) and Reverse Flash occurs under Red Skies, Thawne learns Barry’s identity and plans to kill him as a child. The two speedsters fight and disappear in an “explosion of light” The “explosion of light” was actually a dimensional rift opening between 2024 and 2000. Thawne travels back to March 18, 2000, and Barry follows Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room. 2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom. 2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, the original timeline Flash (2024 Barry) sees him and tells him not to. Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. 2024 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house. Thawne, angered that he failed. Grabs a Knife and stabs Nora Allen with the intention of creating a tragedy so life-altering that Barry never grows up to become the Flash. 2013 Flash listens to the original timeline Flash and closes the door, letting Thawne stab Nora Allen. After the death of his mother in the past, the original timeline Flash is wiped from existence (either disappearing or electing to sacrifice himself to stop the 2024 crisis before the timeline catches up to him) Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force. S1 Barry enters the living room and speaks to his Mom one more time before she dies The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop. Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her. March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) S9 Flash (2023) is teleported to March 18, 2000, by a then-unknown force. S9 Flash encounters his parents in the past and is forced into interacting with them by a streak of lighting knocking him unconscious. After spending the day with his parents, S9 Flash runs to a secluded area, overcome with grief, where he encounters the Reverse Flash. The Reverse Flash tells Barry that he didn’t choose to come here but, by a stroke of fate, he was brought here to kill Barry as a child. Barry returns to Nora and Henry Allen one last time to speak to them and get closure. After a fight with a then-unknown force, Barry encounters Thawne on a neighborhood street. Barry attempts to give Thawne one final chance to change for the better, but Thawne laughs in Barry’s face and runs off to Barry’s childhood home to kill him as a child. Barry knows what he needs to do and takes off after him. Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room. 2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom. 2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, S9 Flash sees him and tells him not to intervene. 2014 Flash (S2) runs back to March 18, 2000 after defeating Zoom, overcome with grief from losing his father. Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. S9 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house Thawne grabs a knife and lunges at Nora Allen, however S2 Flash intervenes and prevents Thawne from killing his mother 2013 (S1) Barry reopens the door, seeing his mother alive, and disappears from the timeline. After the events of 3x01, S3 Flash frees Thawne from his hidden prison cell and the two of them travel back to March 18, 2000 for Thawne to finish the job. After knocking out Thawne, S2 Barry looks up to see Thawne in front of him, he looks down and the Thawne he knocked out is gone. The S2 Barry disappears shortly after. Thawne grabs the knife and stabs Nora Allen Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force. S9 Barry approaches Thawne and speaks to him S1 Barry reappears back into the timeline, enters the living room, and speaks to his mom one more time before she dies The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop. After speaking with Thawne, S9 Barry disappears once more, unknown where (as of 9x10) Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her. So in total, The original timeline had 3 versions of Barry in the house that night (OG Timeline Flash, S1 Flash, Young Barry) and the New Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) had 5 versions of Barry (S9 Flash, S1 Flash, S2 Flash, S3 Flash, Young Barry) S9 Flash replaced 2024 Flash as the one to stop S1 Flash from saving Nora. the timeline we are on began after Nora died and 2024 Flash was erased. My interpretation was that the timeline was in flux up until Crisis. After the Crisis' date was changed, the timeline was altered so the Flash that stopped S1 Barry was S9 Barry. So, in Pre-Crisis S1, Barry saw the 2024 Flash. In Post-Crisis S1, Barry saw the S9 Flash. How's that for "convoluted"?
25:57 Not exactly. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place.
This episode delivered a satisfying conclusion to that thread while also doing a finale that isn’t tied down by any missing plot threads. It was also a pleasure to see Matt lesher again, I love Tom cavanaugh but Matt deserved as much screen time as Tom and he did a great job here. This episode is the best episode through a purely flash episode for the season.
I remember i started watching blind waves reacts around season 3, and every episode that I feel hype or good I always come back to blind wave to see their reactions, there were a few others when flash peaked around season 2-3 which did reacts, y'all were the only ones who stuck around, the true OGs And it's been such a bumpy ride since and I've been following it weekly since season 3 and I'm so glad you guys kept it too, and we're finally at the end, feels like an end of an era although it's lost the bulk of its fans, great to know we're still around to see it off. Thanks for reacting to flash all these years guys, always felt alone watching this show even when all my friends stopped watching it, and I kept watching it, but y'all kept me company till the end Pretty long comment but yeah, finally we're at the finish line of what used to be a great show
It says Malcom Gilmore but I believe this is our Eddie who lost his memory! And sent to future or meena and eobard had a son Malcom /Eddie !!!! Crystal could be Eddie’s conscience
I just understood something. Barry stealing Thawne's credit. That was never hubris. It was never about being the hero, it was never about stealing credit. It was always about protecting the fixed point of his mother's death. Because Barry knows that him "stealing credit" is what sets Thawne in motion, which leads to the birth of the Flash. He never had a choice.
it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore. the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so...... They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
I think our Barry became the original timeline Flash. He’s the one that fought Thawne now and he’s the one who saved his younger self. And now he’s missing! Looking forward to seeing what they do next episode.
Not exactly. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place.
What’s really cool is that the actor that plays Eddie audition for Barry first time and I always thought that he would be a good Barry but I also love grant so I’m excited that he’s getting to play a speedster after all.
In the comics, Dr. Gilmore is the doctor who stole Malcolm Thawne at birth and reported him as stillborn. Malcolm was the twin brother of Barry Allen which was raised by the Thawne family and later became the supervillain Cobalt Blue, using the Blue Flame talisman.
Just some easter egg (i guess i can call it that way), that "Gambi Cleaners" scene in this episode happened in the pilot of The Flash, when he found out he had super speed, really cool the writers remembered about it.
THIS ENTIRE FRICKING EPISODE HAD ME BAWLING. I was so happy they finally connected all the dots and closed the loop of Nora's death story (we've all been waiting since season 1 for this!!!!!). But it's obviously still extremely emotional, this is why Flash's story has always been my favorite and regardless of all the downs this show had, it will always hold a very dear place in my heart. Grant is and will always be my Flash
Because of season one is how I discovered your channel lol I think it's Eddie, he probably was sucked through a vortex leading to a new/different earth or different time in the same earth at the end of season 1 when we thought he died. Lost his memory, then his name was changed when he woke up. Now he's finding out that he's Eddie Thawne and not Malcom.
This episode gives me hope. I can't believe how much fun this was. This felt like it was from a bigger better season 1. I cannot wait to see how this culminates. This is incredible. Who the hell is Eddie Thawne?!
“I know, and this night, tortured me for decades, not anymore. Because today I got to see my parents one last time, *feel* how much they loved me. (This the worst night of your life I know it). And today brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since, I have you to thank for that Eobard and I’ll always be grateful” That and the scene before this was my favourite part of the episode. I mean that has quickly become one of my favourite Flash quotes and what a burn towards Eobard. This will go down as one of the best episodes of The Flash. It was just so perfect and very emotional, like Grant’s acting was phenomenal and cements him as the definitive Barry Allen/The Flash outside of the comics imo. Also I’m so happy Matt returned as Thawne, he played him perfectly as well like i think this is his best performance yet. He nails Thawne’s pettiness and evilness.
Malcom Gilmore, but Malcom thawne in the comics is a thing, Henry Allen’s mothers maiden name in this show is Garrick, thats how we get jay as a earth variant
Yes I think I do know: i think a mind blowing plot twist would be the fact that THAT Thawne in the after credits is actually Cobalt Blue who looses his memory when the lightning hits him. The fact that there is that file with his picture and all might indicate to him that is is him and he is originally from that time (season 1 time) so after a bit of practice he returns to the season 1 time and just becomes our Eddie Thawne. And I don't know if you remember but in season 1 when Eobard kidnapped Eddie, he told him that they were distant relatives, well I think that Eddie is actually Eobard's father and he learns about his son's plan and decides to kill himself to protect the ones he learnt to love (Iris, Barry, Joe...). Or something like that.
We still don't know the original Barry who came from the portal to save Barry from the series We may never see it, but now there's a new loop where Barry saves himself and it's not the Barry from the original line like it was at the beginning.
There is an inconsistency in this episode, I don't know if to tell you about it because I'm bad at English (I use Google translation). But at the end of season 1, when Barry lets Eobard kill his mother, right after he goes to see her and he takes off his mask. Nora is surprised and says to him "you look a lot like my father", and Barry introduces himself saying that he is his son, etc... BUT watching episode 10 of season 9, we see that Nora has saw Barry for quite a while during the day, and at the end of season 1 she is still surprised when she sees him when they have been seeing each other for most of the day. I understand that when they did season 1 they hadn't thought about the script for episode 10 of season 9. But doing this last season, they could have thought about it. Afterwards, it's just a detail, I really liked this episode, which made me nostalgic compared to the first season, it was very moving, especially since we realize that it's soon the end 😭
I think why Barry didn't hesitate to tell Eobard that he had won, many people forget that Barry and Eobard have a deeper connection than just superhero and supervillain, he knows him like completely just as much as Eobard took his time to figure out who Barry Allen was and Barry knows from hs "over a decade" beef with him, that RF is never going to win, and him taking Barry's parents that night is the closest he's going to get. May I remind you that Reverse Flash dies, loses his memories, and gets faded out of existence countless times forever and ever so he has never known another win
Its a perfect culmination of things coming around full circle with a bit of change, some events happened for the first time though due to post crisis timeline.... The OG flash from og timeline (who became flash in 2020 as per OG thawne) he was replaced by Prime Flash (post crisis) and OG thawne was replaced by Prime Thawne (post crisis) although there destinies were going to end up in the same way but with one change that barry's mom death is now a fixed point (thanks to OG thawne whe he killed barry's mom he manipulated the timeline to make barry the flash 6 years earlier and that timeline got cemented, as thawne himself said once the timeline cements you cant change it and this makes barry's mom death a fixed point... In other ways OG thawne screwed over this new timeline thawne version because he is doomed to repeat everything as fail since OG thawne failed in his plan too) things like barry meeting his parents happened for the first time but now that's how it always be in this new timeline.... But atleast a dying nora allen would be comforted by s1 flash who would tell her that he is actually barry from the future and atleast by her dying breath she would be able to understand some of the events that happened thru the day....
I believe that was Eddie's doppleganger from another Earth named Malcolm Gilmore since Melanie said his name after Eric and Aaron zoom it from the beginning scene of this past episode. Also, the season 1 finale of the Flash came to full circle when Season 9 Flash told Season 1 Flash not to interfere to prevent alternate timeline.
Totally forgot about Cobalt Blue hints in post-credit scene in the Season 8 finale. Glad we finally get to see a proper arc with a (hopefully) proper ending. Also, Blind Wave totally made me stop watching episode trailers, etc. Just wanted to feel the same emotions, when they do not know what's going to happen. Also, trailers for 40 minutes episodes pretty much always spoil the whole episode. Still bummed when I see spoilers on actors' private IG accounts, but it's rare. Only watching trailers for whole seasons/shows (like in MCU) or for the movies (and sometimes, when I'm not sure, I'm waiting for Blind Wave's reaction, cause if they can watch it, I can watch it too).
The only thing now to that needs to happen is for barry to travel 170 years into the future to establish himself in thawnes precense and initiate his origin story.
It's not Eddie, it's Malcolm Thawne. In the comics, Malcolm is Barry's twin who was kidnapped at birth and adopted by the Thawne family. It looks like this Malcolm is Eddie's lost twin.
Just did a rewatch of season 8 and I just finished the finale and they showed the blue crystal that appeared in this episode in a lab in 2049 while Barry talks about the negative speed force needing to find a new avatar. So maybe Malcolm Gilmore is in 2049 in Joe’s old house because he did move out this season. Maybe they sold it in the 26 year gap.
So glad they named him Malcolm!! They are definitely full speed ahead on the Cobalt Blue train 😂 moment I saw the blue flowers and heard the song I knew that was what they were doing 💙 so excited!!!
His badge says "Malcolm Gilmore." In the comics, "Malcolm Thawne" was Cobalt Blue. Malcolm Thawne was a twin of Barry Allen. The Thawnes baby was killed accidentally by the doctor during delivery, so he gave Barry's twin to the Thawnes and told the Allens that their twin was stillborn. Gilmore comes from Asa Gilmore, so I'm assuming Malcolm Gilmore is just an amalgamation of the two.
Malcolm Gilmore aka Malcolm Thawne is the lost twin brother of Barry Allen. He is a Cobalt Blue, one of a number of evil counterparts of the Flash that wields the Blue Flame.
It's malcolm ( cobalt blue ) in the comics dr.guilmore is the one who gave barry's twin to the thawns i guess in this reality the guilmores adopted him in stead ..
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38:33 You're probably thinking David Nutter
I think the writers finally remembered this was the last season
That or Greg just got on there asses about it
Fr 😂😂
True. This episode was a lot smaller but the writing really felt like og flash, just the Barry/thawne parts only ofc.
Reverse Flash carried it. Or better yet. Matt Letscher, that man deserves a whole season as a big bad.
Because they were saving everything for this finale
People are saying that Barry wasn’t vibrating at the end because it’s from our perspective, from past Barry’s perspective maybe it looked like he was vibrating because he was so fast?
More likely there are changes which can occur in the timeline that don’t matter as long as they result in the same outcome. Barry just didn’t remember that he was phasing when he first came to the past 9 years ago so he didn’t, but he remembered the warning to not interfere
i imagine it was cause they didn’t wanna set a “final” costume in season 1 otherwise the end of the show suit would’ve already been shown and then they couldn’t change it unless they retcon it which would be worse so they just showed him vibrating
I hate this theory so god damn much
I think why future barry was blurred in season 1 is that they didn't know what the final suit looked yet.
@@Xavier-sl7hn it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore.
the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so......
They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
Barry running into the van is a reference to what he did when he first got his powers
Yes and nora first time too same lol in erased timeline
NO WAY 😱
That’s why Nora trusted past barry so easily I always thought that was weird until now
BROOO THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
The same with Martin Stein, imagine being him years later getting to meet the same person that you thought was a prank. Mind blowing; also with Joe.
@@alejandroangel998 man barry should mention Jax from Legends and boom, Stein trusts barry now
@@ketchupjuicebox when Barry first went back in season 1 he unmasked himself and told her he was her son. This episode is why she believed him
@@Cluo06
No, that's not why she trusted him. That time remnant was completely different and it might not even be the same one which was shown in "blur" in previous seasons
Eobard: This is the worst night of your life…. I KNOW IT!
Barry: …And it brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since….
WOW. What a line.
Tremendous episode. Hope the final 3 will bring just as much to the table. Great reactions as always!
I loved how Barry’s first reaction to being stuck in the past was wtf did I mess up this time😂😂
I've never have had more hope for the last few episodes of a show.
Yeah, same. They actually started caring about putting out good content apparently.
@@phantom2683 yeah it's weird yet hopeful...cause the chick who plays Kaitlin wrote the last episode with Green Arrow and Flash and that was the best one of the whole season..and I'm not sure if she'll return finishing the writing for these last few episodes but I do hope so
@@anthonysalinas-candelero9978 it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore.
the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so......
They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
@@benimpanu4405 season 8 was ok
She directed the episode, she did not write it. Big difference
I’m glad Eric understands how the timelines work. It gets kind of confusing after a while, especially with the OG Flash not existing anymore. This was a great episode, seeing Barry finally able to live through that night, but instead of being rash and possibly messing things up like in the past seasons, he’s calm, focused, and does everything right. Hopefully the rest of the season can keep up this quality!
Hate to burst your bubble but he doesn't - this episode is a total retcon. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place.
The Speedforce makes sure people still fulfill there purpose in the Timeline. So even though OG Barry would be erased after Season 1, the event of his saving his younger self will always happen despite him being erased. However, like I said they retconned it.Timeline. So even though OG Barry would be erased after Season 1, the event of his saving his younger self will always happen despite him being erased. However, like I said they retconned it.
@@jeremymorris345 you are absolutely correct. There are things they missed and a few plot holes when they did this full circle moment. But at least they tried. I enjoyed. Better than the cringy crap they’ve given us in the last 3-4 years
This episode is great but next doesn't have Barry in it from the teaser
@@jeremymorris345 Fair enough, so basically Eobard created a new time loop by killing Barry’s mother, and Barry just closed that loop by replacing his original timeline self if I get what you’re saying.
Though I guess now we don’t know how or why Barry and Eobard were brought back to 2000. We can assume it’s Cobalt Blue related and they were of course needed to keep that fixed point in tact, but hopefully we find out more as we get closer the the finale.
@@TACHY0N0 Well Eobard traveled there to kill young Barry - we don't know why Barry is there.
That moment Aaron's eyes light up as he realises what day in the timeline we are in is pure gold and then being swiftly followed by Eric realising it was so hype and exaclty why I have come back to this channel every day for years. They are true fans of the shows they watch and so natural when watching them. This episode gave me some hope for the final few episodes of the show.
The score during this episode was PHENOMENAL too. Did they get a new composer? It sounded so beautiful all throughout, so elegant and classy, like a film.
Right?!
It’s always been Blake Neely. But they reused a lot of the music from early seasons
it hurts me to see that Blake Neely is so slept on
No it was still Neely he just finally decided to bring back barry's Moif and he loves to reuses soundtracks too.
no i think blake neely and nathaniel blume just finally have a reason to produce quality stuff again. nothing during the past couple seasons has been worth their peak and i don’t blame them for the dip in the score’s quality.
11:11 Surprised you didn’t catch the reference to the series premiere where Barry also crashed into laundry
The first name of this version of Eddie is Malcolm. Just like how in the comics cobalt blue’s name was Malcolm Thawne.
In the comics Malcolm Thawne was Barry's identical twin that was given to the Thawne family to cover up a medical blunder by the doctor during delivery that caused the death of the Thawne's son, while Barry's mom was told that Barry's twin brother was stillborn. I wonder if in the show they've instead made Malcolm Gilmore the twin of Eddie Thawne who was raised by a different family.
Gilmore is actually the surname of the doctor that switched Malcolm for a dead baby and gave him to the Thawne family in the comic.
@@thomaswedge42 I was thinking the same, but he seems to be living in a similar house to Joe and Cecile’s old house. Is this slightly in the future?
"But Fate , It's tricky isn't it ... I come here to destroy you , then to get home I have to be the one who creates you."- Eobard Thawne as Harrison Wells back in season 1 Flashback ....
22:41 Grant is and will always be the flash. That dialogue almost made me cry 😢 considering everything Barry has been through. This show has pissed me off over the last 3-4 years. But I’m glad we got this.
Honestly it had some low point’s but this is the flash and always will be probably, tbh i dont see any flash taking his place as this show almost a decade old and it’s unlikely they will keep on a good flash actor but im still gonna watch the flash movie coming out for flashpoint trying to ignore the horrible shit
the fact Eric Wallace co-wrote and directed this episode is crazy. despite my deserved criticism towards him, I will give credit where credit is due. Eric Wallace wrote his ass off this episode and the result was one of the best Flash episodes ever and THE most satisfying endings to an episode the show's entirety.
facts
I don't like him but he deserves some credit for giving us this
They did it! I wanted only one thing this season and THEY DID IT! And we have 3 more episodes!
The other thing I want is to see Cisco back and to hear Flash narration.
The reason it was so good is that it had that season 1&2 feeling. The story is a bit more grounded and centered around Barry not 10 more useless characters. Make the drama more interesting and grounded so CGI muck is no needed. Let it be personal and not another cheesy villain of the week. Look at what Superman and Lois are doing !!
@DerZuschauer How do you know they aren't in 2024 right now lol ? Hell, its 2023 in real world, you don't think they possibly ahead by 1 yr ? Iris stomach is now wayyy big from last episode - time jump. Don't forget, vanishing b4 his daughter birth was part of the future and it just happened ....
@@FailingIsUnderrated it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore.
the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so......
They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
Always with the fixed point of Nora being killed, it always gets to me. Seeing Henry and Nora being happy together
Also I love the OG Reverse Flash suit!
one of the best and emotional episodes in the show Matt as reverse flash is incredible to watch when Nora said the flashback moment he’s just like my father was so emotional and the scene in the hospital when Barry talks to them and the same music was playing from 1x23 Nora death scene so many tears in this episode loved it hope the last 3 episodes continue on this level also Cobalt Blue is here!
It says Malcolm Gilmore. In the comics he's Malcolm thawne. Gilmore is the name of the doctor that switched Malcolm for a dead baby and gave him to the thawne family. He was born Barry's twin and they told Nora that the twin died and gave the baby to the mother of the baby that actually died. This is Cobalts background. It could be an alternate universe, or it could be the same world with changes due to the crisis.
Blake Neely is a genius
totally unappreciated for his amazing work
the score in this episode was absolutey fantastic
My god Grant was SO good in this episode. Those moments with his parents actually gave me a lump in my throat when you see how heavy Barry’s heart gets
This is one of the best episodes of the whole show.
The reason it was so good is that it had that season 1&2 feeling. The story is a bit more grounded and centered around Barry not 10 more useless characters. Make the drama more interesting and grounded so CGI muck is no needed. Let it be personal and not another cheesy villain of the week. Look at what Superman and Lois are doing !!
@@FailingIsUnderrated I personally don’t care much for Superman & Lois.
@@FailingIsUnderrated Superman and Lois is starting to get boring already.
Because Iris doesn’t have much scene lol
Nah.
man it feels good to enjoy a flash episode again. these past 2 have been so fun. reminds me of when the arrowverse first started. sad to see it ending.
I really hope they stick the landing with these last few episodes. The fans and the people behind the scenes deserve an amazing last impression. So far it's doing that job.
I'm pretty sure Rick Cosnett is playing Malcolm Thawne, that's who Cobalt Blue is in the comics.
Edit:After they zoomed in on the ID Badge, it apparently says Malcolm Gilmore.
In the comics when Malcom was born he was stolen from the Allen family by a doctor named Dr. Gilmore and later was raised by the Thawne family (Eddie's Parents)
Can’t believe Eric Wallace wrote and directed this episode but I guess when he does something good it’s good
he directed 6x07 too if im not wrong which was also really good imo
@@isaacbrown7936 he can be good but man he does not know how to handle his ideas
@@isaacbrown7936Nope.
@@Luiz.325 yes
@@Microwaved_Water1 yeah trash showrunner not bad director
I’ve been with the channel since season 1, man it’s amazing how far we’ve come!
The first reaction I ever watched from you guys was the S1 finally on the old Channel, it's crazy to that we are so close to end
Old channel?
Im not a native english speaker and Ive been watching their reactions since S1, there was a old channel? :o
@@nicolash3015 there was. It's the same name but they added "old channel" next to the old channel UA-cam name to show its the old channel
@@nicolash3015 yes, they had an old channel. Season 1 and 2 reactions were there if I remember correctly.
@@nicolash3015 they had a channel before the this one
There's a youtube video out there called "What really happened that night Final version". It cuts together everything that goes on. Would love to see you guys do a quick reaction to that.
Comics Book vs. The World is the channel
@@mr.scarlo2234 Yeah but someone made a new edit using footage from this episode. Comic's video is a few years old
it is great to see matt's eobard, john wesley ship as henry allen, nora back again this episode was great and so emotional glad they are wrapping all the plot points up.
WAIT ! Hold up im just realising that the whole episode revolves around Nora and Henry helping "Bart" after our Barry leaves saving his younger self, the season 1 goes and talks to Nora... so She at that moment must realise that WAIT?! its Bart as he tells her that its Me BARRY!!
It looked like the name tag said Malcolm Gilmore.....MAYBE he is actually Malcolm Thawne, but he was adopted at birth by a family whose last name is Gilmore
So nice to have an episode of The Flash that is focusing on The Flash.
to clear up confusion, OG timeline barry is gone, he wasn't fighting thawne in the house in this episode, that was our barry, he did exactly the same thing OG timeline barry did.
Yeah Eric hit the nail on the head with the 'OG Flash" stuff. The original "future" Barry we saw back in season one no longer exists due to all the timeline changes + Crisis. But as Thawne said, Nora's death is a fixed point and has to be preserved regardless of how many timeline changes occur. Thawne is a time remnant from a timeline that no longer exists and current Barry now takes the place of his OG future self. It's not so much a loop, as a new version of the same events. The timeline is preserved and Barry gains the inner peace he has so desperately been searching for. The circle is complete.
As for Eddie, I think we are dealing with a time displaced Eddie who got dropped in the 2040s after the being sucked into singularity at the end of season 1. He lost his memories but the NSF choose him as the next avatar in order to exploit his feelings of regret and jealously he feels towards Barry since he's essentially died for nothing. Barry stole his girl and his life and the NSF is going to use those feelings of resentment to make him the new Avatar.
Literally love how everything comes back for circle
Also,Nora believing that S1 Barry is her son from the future totally makes sense now (in Henry & Joe's case:it's kind of confusing but it was just a stranger they had met so they probably forgot)
We were waiting for that moment since s1, man im gonna miss this show😭
These are the 2 separate timelines we saw of the night Nora Allen was murdered. I might have got 1 or2 things wrong but I think it's fairly accurate.
March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (pre-Flashpoint, pre-Crisis)
In 2024, a fight between the original timeline Flash (the version of Barry that became the Flash in 2020 and has both living parents) and Reverse Flash occurs under Red Skies, Thawne learns Barry’s identity and plans to kill him as a child. The two speedsters fight and disappear in an “explosion of light”
The “explosion of light” was actually a dimensional rift opening between 2024 and 2000. Thawne travels back to March 18, 2000, and Barry follows
Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room.
2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom.
2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, the original timeline Flash (2024 Barry) sees him and tells him not to.
Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. 2024 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house.
Thawne, angered that he failed. Grabs a Knife and stabs Nora Allen with the intention of creating a tragedy so life-altering that Barry never grows up to become the Flash.
2013 Flash listens to the original timeline Flash and closes the door, letting Thawne stab Nora Allen.
After the death of his mother in the past, the original timeline Flash is wiped from existence (either disappearing or electing to sacrifice himself to stop the 2024 crisis before the timeline catches up to him)
Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force.
S1 Barry enters the living room and speaks to his Mom one more time before she dies
The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop.
Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her.
March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis)
S9 Flash (2023) is teleported to March 18, 2000, by a then-unknown force.
S9 Flash encounters his parents in the past and is forced into interacting with them by a streak of lighting knocking him unconscious.
After spending the day with his parents, S9 Flash runs to a secluded area, overcome with grief, where he encounters the Reverse Flash.
The Reverse Flash tells Barry that he didn’t choose to come here but, by a stroke of fate, he was brought here to kill Barry as a child.
Barry returns to Nora and Henry Allen one last time to speak to them and get closure.
After a fight with a then-unknown force, Barry encounters Thawne on a neighborhood street. Barry attempts to give Thawne one final chance to change for the better, but Thawne laughs in Barry’s face and runs off to Barry’s childhood home to kill him as a child. Barry knows what he needs to do and takes off after him.
Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room.
2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom.
2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, S9 Flash sees him and tells him not to intervene.
2014 Flash (S2) runs back to March 18, 2000 after defeating Zoom, overcome with grief from losing his father.
Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. S9 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house
Thawne grabs a knife and lunges at Nora Allen, however S2 Flash intervenes and prevents Thawne from killing his mother
2013 (S1) Barry reopens the door, seeing his mother alive, and disappears from the timeline.
After the events of 3x01, S3 Flash frees Thawne from his hidden prison cell and the two of them travel back to March 18, 2000 for Thawne to finish the job.
After knocking out Thawne, S2 Barry looks up to see Thawne in front of him, he looks down and the Thawne he knocked out is gone. The S2 Barry disappears shortly after. Thawne grabs the knife and stabs Nora Allen
Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force.
S9 Barry approaches Thawne and speaks to him
S1 Barry reappears back into the timeline, enters the living room, and speaks to his mom one more time before she dies
The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop.
After speaking with Thawne, S9 Barry disappears once more, unknown where (as of 9x10)
Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her.
So in total, The original timeline had 3 versions of Barry in the house that night (OG Timeline Flash, S1 Flash, Young Barry) and the New Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) had 5 versions of Barry (S9 Flash, S1 Flash, S2 Flash, S3 Flash, Young Barry)
S9 Flash replaced 2024 Flash as the one to stop S1 Flash from saving Nora. the timeline we are on began after Nora died and 2024 Flash was erased. My interpretation was that the timeline was in flux up until Crisis. After the Crisis' date was changed, the timeline was altered so the Flash that stopped S1 Barry was S9 Barry.
So, in Pre-Crisis S1, Barry saw the 2024 Flash. In Post-Crisis S1, Barry saw the S9 Flash.
How's that for "convoluted"?
Barry Allen: "Like I told you from the beginning, I am the Future Flash."
25:57 Not exactly. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place.
for the first time in a very long time, am i actually excited to see the next episode of the flash.
This episode was near perfect for me. Hopefully it stays to this level or more
OMG!! we were losing ourselves in our reaction too!!
I am so happy! This season is forgiven already, just make the last 3 count
Maze aa gye iss episode me but still dimag dard kr raha timeline samajhne me (og Barry ka kya hua jisko eobard ka hero tha )
Btw
Good night
We enjoyed your guys reaction a lot as well. Escpecially when y'all got all o faced when the night scene came
Curry
I FINALLY HAVE HOPE FOR THIS LAST COUPLE OF EPISODES AGAIN
Famous last words..
@@Nativewolf I was extremely disappointed 😭
“Idk why I bother wearing makeup” I expected no other first line after this episode 😂😂
This is probably my favorite episode in the entire show
This episode delivered a satisfying conclusion to that thread while also doing a finale that isn’t tied down by any missing plot threads. It was also a pleasure to see Matt lesher again, I love Tom cavanaugh but Matt deserved as much screen time as Tom and he did a great job here. This episode is the best episode through a purely flash episode for the season.
Tom was great in S1 but they made him way to over the top
Matt >
@@shahanahsan05 after season 7 is when I really got tired of Tom’s RF, they totally took him over the top in season 8 for sure
Matt’s Reverse Flash was always superior to me.
I remember i started watching blind waves reacts around season 3, and every episode that I feel hype or good I always come back to blind wave to see their reactions, there were a few others when flash peaked around season 2-3 which did reacts, y'all were the only ones who stuck around, the true OGs
And it's been such a bumpy ride since and I've been following it weekly since season 3 and I'm so glad you guys kept it too, and we're finally at the end, feels like an end of an era although it's lost the bulk of its fans, great to know we're still around to see it off.
Thanks for reacting to flash all these years guys, always felt alone watching this show even when all my friends stopped watching it, and I kept watching it, but y'all kept me company till the end
Pretty long comment but yeah, finally we're at the finish line of what used to be a great show
It says Malcom Gilmore but I believe this is our Eddie who lost his memory! And sent to future or meena and eobard had a son Malcom /Eddie !!!! Crystal could be Eddie’s conscience
After watching the last 2 episodes ago , I am thinking that WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY DOING ? WHERE WAS THIS THE WHOLE SEASON?
I just understood something.
Barry stealing Thawne's credit. That was never hubris. It was never about being the hero, it was never about stealing credit.
It was always about protecting the fixed point of his mother's death. Because Barry knows that him "stealing credit" is what sets Thawne in motion, which leads to the birth of the Flash.
He never had a choice.
it was good only if we delete seasons 5, 7 and 8, their time travel stuff doesn't make any sense anymore.
the whole main timeline has changed as the Barry from the future who saved his younger version out in season 1, the flash that saved his younger version was from a timeline where both of his parents were alive, so that makes the show even more incoherent and brings a lot of confusion, especially the obsession they have killed Nora because it's supposedly a fixed point except she's alive in the main timeline (in the one where the reverse comes), and again they added new elements and it's going to turn everything upside down, because of this flash had a conversation with reverse when he didn't get it in season 1 so the reverse in this episode has info that his version from season 1 never got, so......
They have to stop with this fixed point thing they alter time so much that looking for consistency or a no hit point is ridiculous remember they took zoom out of his timeline in season 5 so they screwed up once moreover the story and not to mention that Nora (Barry's daughter and not the mother) herself modified the past, and therefore the justification of the fixed point that we cannot alternate makes no sense 😂😂😂, bad writing that comes straight from comics, but if we remove seasons 5 7 and 8 it will be perfect and surely the best episode of the series (top 5).
I think our Barry became the original timeline Flash. He’s the one that fought Thawne now and he’s the one who saved his younger self. And now he’s missing! Looking forward to seeing what they do next episode.
Not exactly. In the Original Timeline Eobard goes back in time chased by Barry during a 2024 Crisis. Eobard kills Nora creating the Season 1 Timeline. However, they seem to have retconned it to where after the Crisis we see in S6, OG Barry never followed OG Eobard back to that night therefore S9 Barry had to take his place in order to keep the timeline in place.
What’s really cool is that the actor that plays Eddie audition for Barry first time and I always thought that he would be a good Barry but I also love grant so I’m excited that he’s getting to play a speedster after all.
In the comics, Dr. Gilmore is the doctor who stole Malcolm Thawne at birth and reported him as stillborn. Malcolm was the twin brother of Barry Allen which was raised by the Thawne family and later became the supervillain Cobalt Blue, using the Blue Flame talisman.
Just some easter egg (i guess i can call it that way), that "Gambi Cleaners" scene in this episode happened in the pilot of The Flash, when he found out he had super speed, really cool the writers remembered about it.
Definitely the best episode of The Flash in the final season! 👏🔥
THIS ENTIRE FRICKING EPISODE HAD ME BAWLING. I was so happy they finally connected all the dots and closed the loop of Nora's death story (we've all been waiting since season 1 for this!!!!!). But it's obviously still extremely emotional, this is why Flash's story has always been my favorite and regardless of all the downs this show had, it will always hold a very dear place in my heart. Grant is and will always be my Flash
Because of season one is how I discovered your channel lol
I think it's Eddie, he probably was sucked through a vortex leading to a new/different earth or different time in the same earth at the end of season 1 when we thought he died. Lost his memory, then his name was changed when he woke up.
Now he's finding out that he's Eddie Thawne and not Malcom.
This episode gives me hope. I can't believe how much fun this was. This felt like it was from a bigger better season 1. I cannot wait to see how this culminates. This is incredible. Who the hell is Eddie Thawne?!
“I know, and this night, tortured me for decades, not anymore. Because today I got to see my parents one last time, *feel* how much they loved me. (This the worst night of your life I know it). And today brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since, I have you to thank for that Eobard and I’ll always be grateful”
That and the scene before this was my favourite part of the episode. I mean that has quickly become one of my favourite Flash quotes and what a burn towards Eobard. This will go down as one of the best episodes of The Flash. It was just so perfect and very emotional, like Grant’s acting was phenomenal and cements him as the definitive Barry Allen/The Flash outside of the comics imo. Also I’m so happy Matt returned as Thawne, he played him perfectly as well like i think this is his best performance yet. He nails Thawne’s pettiness and evilness.
This was such a great episode. The intro reminded me of Stargirl; there’s a Zatana Easter egg, the name of the restaurant is Zatara (Zatanas dad)
They're Italian so it wouldn't surprise me if her grandparents owned a restaurant.
23:27 i'm surprised the neighbors don't walk out and say "will you shut the hell up? People are trying to sleep."
Yes! Last episode and this one, I lost all hope aftwr most of this season, but it, is, back! Going out with a bang!
Malcom Gilmore, but Malcom thawne in the comics is a thing, Henry Allen’s mothers maiden name in this show is Garrick, thats how we get jay as a earth variant
The only thing which kept the past few seasons watchable was Grant's acting. He's always been the standout even in the bad parts.
Yes I think I do know: i think a mind blowing plot twist would be the fact that THAT Thawne in the after credits is actually Cobalt Blue who looses his memory when the lightning hits him. The fact that there is that file with his picture and all might indicate to him that is is him and he is originally from that time (season 1 time) so after a bit of practice he returns to the season 1 time and just becomes our Eddie Thawne. And I don't know if you remember but in season 1 when Eobard kidnapped Eddie, he told him that they were distant relatives, well I think that Eddie is actually Eobard's father and he learns about his son's plan and decides to kill himself to protect the ones he learnt to love (Iris, Barry, Joe...). Or something like that.
such a fantastic episode , truly one of the best from eric Wallace
We still don't know the original Barry who came from the portal to save Barry from the series
We may never see it, but now there's a new loop where Barry saves himself and it's not the Barry from the original line like it was at the beginning.
I feel like it was just yesterday that Barry was learning to throw Lightning from Jay (who was actually zoom) and now he can do it like nothing 🥹
So great to have these type of episodes back!
Cobalt Blue is supposed to be Barry’s twin that was adopted by the Thawne family, but since he doesn’t hav a twin…
ahhh i was waiting for this (watched your reaction to 1x23 in preparation!)
There is an inconsistency in this episode, I don't know if to tell you about it because I'm bad at English (I use Google translation). But at the end of season 1, when Barry lets Eobard kill his mother, right after he goes to see her and he takes off his mask. Nora is surprised and says to him "you look a lot like my father", and Barry introduces himself saying that he is his son, etc... BUT watching episode 10 of season 9, we see that Nora has saw Barry for quite a while during the day, and at the end of season 1 she is still surprised when she sees him when they have been seeing each other for most of the day. I understand that when they did season 1 they hadn't thought about the script for episode 10 of season 9. But doing this last season, they could have thought about it. Afterwards, it's just a detail, I really liked this episode, which made me nostalgic compared to the first season, it was very moving, especially since we realize that it's soon the end 😭
Because 1x23 and 9x10 take place in different multiverses/timelines, so this was one of the changes.
Arguably one of the greatest episodes from the entire series.
Barry landing in the truck again was the BEST.
these last two episodes have been so good
These last 2 episodes have restored my faith in the show, I hope they continue this run until the end with this final arc⚡️
Gambi owned a TAILORING business, but I guess back in 2000 it was a chain of dry cleaners😂
He was like an Italian “George Jefferson”😂
I think why Barry didn't hesitate to tell Eobard that he had won, many people forget that Barry and Eobard have a deeper connection than just superhero and supervillain, he knows him like completely just as much as Eobard took his time to figure out who Barry Allen was and Barry knows from hs "over a decade" beef with him, that RF is never going to win, and him taking Barry's parents that night is the closest he's going to get. May I remind you that Reverse Flash dies, loses his memories, and gets faded out of existence countless times forever and ever so he has never known another win
Build him up till his life is destroyed
Its a perfect culmination of things coming around full circle with a bit of change, some events happened for the first time though due to post crisis timeline.... The OG flash from og timeline (who became flash in 2020 as per OG thawne) he was replaced by Prime Flash (post crisis) and OG thawne was replaced by Prime Thawne (post crisis) although there destinies were going to end up in the same way but with one change that barry's mom death is now a fixed point (thanks to OG thawne whe he killed barry's mom he manipulated the timeline to make barry the flash 6 years earlier and that timeline got cemented, as thawne himself said once the timeline cements you cant change it and this makes barry's mom death a fixed point... In other ways OG thawne screwed over this new timeline thawne version because he is doomed to repeat everything as fail since OG thawne failed in his plan too) things like barry meeting his parents happened for the first time but now that's how it always be in this new timeline.... But atleast a dying nora allen would be comforted by s1 flash who would tell her that he is actually barry from the future and atleast by her dying breath she would be able to understand some of the events that happened thru the day....
Not exactly. It's still OG Thawne in this episode they just retconned it to be S9 Barry and not OG Timeline Barry.
I believe that was Eddie's doppleganger from another Earth named Malcolm Gilmore since Melanie said his name after Eric and Aaron zoom it from the beginning scene of this past episode. Also, the season 1 finale of the Flash came to full circle when Season 9 Flash told Season 1 Flash not to interfere to prevent alternate timeline.
Malcolm Gilmore is Cobalt Blue in the comics book the twin brother to Barry Allen
Totally forgot about Cobalt Blue hints in post-credit scene in the Season 8 finale. Glad we finally get to see a proper arc with a (hopefully) proper ending.
Also, Blind Wave totally made me stop watching episode trailers, etc. Just wanted to feel the same emotions, when they do not know what's going to happen. Also, trailers for 40 minutes episodes pretty much always spoil the whole episode. Still bummed when I see spoilers on actors' private IG accounts, but it's rare. Only watching trailers for whole seasons/shows (like in MCU) or for the movies (and sometimes, when I'm not sure, I'm waiting for Blind Wave's reaction, cause if they can watch it, I can watch it too).
I completely missed Rachel Rosso's name. No wonder they focused on her so much
The only thing now to that needs to happen is for barry to travel 170 years into the future to establish himself in thawnes precense and initiate his origin story.
I think he learns about him from the museum, if it's like the comics.
No not really. It was OG Barry that did that, this isn't necessarily something S9 Barry will do.
It's not Eddie, it's Malcolm Thawne. In the comics, Malcolm is Barry's twin who was kidnapped at birth and adopted by the Thawne family. It looks like this Malcolm is Eddie's lost twin.
Kidnapped by dr.guilmore , maybe in this reality the guilmores adopted him in stead of giving him to the thawnes
The ID badge says his name is Malcolm Gilmore
Just did a rewatch of season 8 and I just finished the finale and they showed the blue crystal that appeared in this episode in a lab in 2049 while Barry talks about the negative speed force needing to find a new avatar. So maybe Malcolm Gilmore is in 2049 in Joe’s old house because he did move out this season. Maybe they sold it in the 26 year gap.
24:38 Aaron speaking the truth!
So glad they named him Malcolm!! They are definitely full speed ahead on the Cobalt Blue train 😂 moment I saw the blue flowers and heard the song I knew that was what they were doing 💙 so excited!!!
been hitting refresh for what seems like all day!!!
I waited all day for this reaction it's 3am now and I've made the decision to watch it now instead of tomorrow, I won't regret this
His badge says "Malcolm Gilmore." In the comics, "Malcolm Thawne" was Cobalt Blue. Malcolm Thawne was a twin of Barry Allen. The Thawnes baby was killed accidentally by the doctor during delivery, so he gave Barry's twin to the Thawnes and told the Allens that their twin was stillborn. Gilmore comes from Asa Gilmore, so I'm assuming Malcolm Gilmore is just an amalgamation of the two.
Melanie was balling almost the entire episode.
13:14 the maniacal laugh from Eric was great. I did the same thing when I watched this. 👌🏾💀
Malcolm Gilmore aka Malcolm Thawne is the lost twin brother of Barry Allen. He is a Cobalt Blue, one of a number of evil counterparts of the Flash that wields the Blue Flame.
It's malcolm ( cobalt blue ) in the comics dr.guilmore is the one who gave barry's twin to the thawns i guess in this reality the guilmores adopted him in stead ..
Perhaps instead of being Barry’s twin like in the comics he is Eddie’s twin
@@jacobseeley2753 exactly
That "Reverse Flash" voice is so satisfying to hear.
10:25 I was legit confused why that girl was holding a rumba, before I remembered cd players were a thing