As a nurse of 26yrs I can tell you that managers are a curse on the NHS, they have NO medical experience whatsoever yet dictate to doctors and nursing staff on how the hospital is to be run. The worse thing that was ever done to the NHS was when they removed the Matrons as they ran the wards extremely efficiently. Especially when it comes to cleanliness and hygiene as they had authority over the cleaners who were employed by the NHS unlike now, where they don't answer to the hospital as they are contracted in, and as a result of this we have had Legionnaire's disease etc. BRING BACK THE MATRON!!
What u on about the cleaners are employed by NHS . They answer to thier supervisor not a nurse . Why should they answer to a nurse ; wtf do nurses know about cleaning.
@@artsy38what year are you talking about? Get real. Get really real. If you're not educated on how the system works now please educate yourself. This isn't about your cleaning skills or your ego. Get down from your high horse.
Managers who are not qualified doctors threaten those who are concerned qualified professionals. I feel so sorry for the doctors involved in this. It is unacceptable they should have been dismissed despite their concerns. Those Managers should be put on trial
As the father of 2 young babies who were born in the last 5 years, i stayed present with them the whole time, whilst my wife was recuperating! I wouldn't trust anyone, NHS or not, you never really truly know what people are capable of! Absolutely disgusting what this evil woman did!
My twins were in special care and they couldn't get me out of there, I refused to move after they tried to send me home the 1st week and I'd do it all again, my babies were not being left without me or their dad.
@@kellz5135 full respect to you, despite your condition and state after giving birth you decided to fight for your babies and I applaud you for your courage but sadly, not everyone is as strong as you. In light of these monstrosities, we hope people will be less trusting moving forwards or better, a system in place to ensure babies aren't separated from the only person they need to be with after birth, their mother's.
Respect to you dad for being the second set of eyes while mom was recovering! I’m American but my partner and I had this same system. Our daughter never left our sight. You simply cannot trust anyone!
@Gattsu1986 I thankfully had a very supportive partner. I know it isn't easy for everyone and we shouldn't even have to worry like this. Sad state of affairs.
As a current medical professional myself, i absolutely agree with Dr Evans' suggestion that non-clinical managers have taken over far too much control of the NHS.
Can someone find out if she worked or did work experience in Beckenham hospital in 2013, I met cold cruel nurse who had similar appearance to this woman. Had I not bee present at the time, I think that woman would have done serious harm to my baby.
Dr Evans should have kept his nose out of it as he was a retired paediatrician, not a forensic scientist or pathologist and he had no experience of investigating mass murder in a hospital sentence. The babies that Letby is accused of murdering were actually autopsied and found to have died of natural causes. Evans disregarded the findings of the pathologists and developed his own theories. He made his claims based on a review of the clinical records and images taken at autopsy.
We need to go back to the good standard set by matrons, sisters and staff nurses. Not managers who are not trained nurses or worked on a ward. We were watched by the sister and staff nurses. Standards had to be maintained or you were taken to Matron who would be fierce. You loved your job and took pride in your work. Like most of them today, with these people on the ward someone like Lucy would be found out. The doctors would raise their concerns with the sister and or Matron. The old system worked better and standards higher.
Do you all realise those babies felt tremendous amount of pain before passing away? One of the victim’s mom heard her child scream bloody murder with blood coming out from his mouth. This woman is pure evil!
I once worked for the NHS (around 30 years ago). It was then a dysfunctional, inefficient, disorganised mess; it doesn’t seem any better now. It’s full of managers with fancy titles and six-figure salaries who care more about keeping their jobs than the patients’ welfare.
❤I remember it happening. We were fine, then all these managers rocked up in company cars, I can remember standing at the window and saying. "Bloody hell, there's more of them than us!" It all went downhill.
@@Simpson4756 - my sister worked at Guy's hospital most of her working life. I remember her railing against these Managers, people with no medical experience, no qualifications whatsoever. The system needs changing.
What's shocking about this case is no lessons were learnt from the Beverly Allitt murders, the fact they missed TEN warnings that Letby was up to no good is absolutely terrifying and shocking. Those who ignored the warning signs should also be charged.
There should absolutely be manslaughter charges for those who dismissed concerns raised. Its disgusting that a consultant had to apologise for doing his clinical duty
@@gurutruecrimeguru1405 involuntary manslaughter by gross negligence for the babies killed after the point of concerns being raised (possibly 5 babies)
Because these consultants needed a scapegoat for the disgusting state of the CoCH neonatal unit an innocent woman has been sentenced to a whole life term.
What a charming, upright, honest, kind, level headed, thorough man, using his skills he had built up over his 50 years of service. He must have found the experience very daunting. My respect goes to him, the doctors who tried to bring this to the forefront of the useless managers . God bless the stricken parents and families; the babies are now safe. R.I.P. little ones ❤
No evidence was found, no autopsy, no blood work or body screening. Only thing she was convicted on as he view. Well that's crazy way too for out court in UK too act. Was once dne my evidence. No seem anyone can have a point view and you can be convicted shamefull. Clearly you dnt know about other cases around world extremely similar too this where nurse after time was shown not too be at fault. It's disgrace with our.court system. I feel extremely sad for babies that lost they lifes. And those families. NHS now will have too pay millions in compensation for so called lack of care and negligence. I hope.anyone that one here not convicted by a.point view and not evidence.
I find it disgusting anyone would ever title her: Lucy Letby "Angel of Death" It makes her sound more majestic and glorifies her. She wasn't an angel of death, she was just a twisted woman who preyed on the most vulnerable of humanity.
Dr Evans is very impressive- calm, reasoned, confidence inspiring. He's done a great service in this case. Deserves recognition far more than many who get 'honours'.
I think what he did was to solely to focus on the case/ the evidence, rather than the personality rather the then the accused and that is why he made his decision. Often people are side tracked by what the person look like they could do that sort of thing blah blah.
@@quantumjourney1well said. His testimony has previously been thrown out by an excellent and highly professional judge (not going to comment on the presiding judge in this trial, think his bizarredecisionmaking in this case speaks for itself) in a previous case for not being considered 'expert'. He was not registered with the GMC when he was assisting in the LL investigation. Shocking stuff. Don't be fooled by the media.
Beyond the killer herself of course, the management of this hospital need to be held accountable for these abominable crimes. Excessive levels of insulin in the blood of a baby who didn't need it? That right there should've told them something nefarious was afoot.
@@judedonnelly4100 hospital management should be on the baby killers prison wing with this monster because they are responsible for ignoring reports about the beast.
When he says the default position of NHS managers when things go wrong is to cover up is 100% true.They need to be trialled as well.This is the most obnxious,appalling event in any NHS hospital, infact anywhere around the world.The Details are so distressing.
When someone of his experience and reputation days that there has to be truth in it. By 'covering up', they are condoning the wrong doer and allowing them to carry on and do more harm!
It was actually the doctors who were trying to cover up the appalling state of the CoCH neonatal unit. The consultants had been severely reprimanded in a report from the Royal College of Paediatricians & Child Health. A scapegoat had to be found......
Not so. The Dr's are covering up the incompetence by themselves in this hospital. Entubing weak babies up to 8 times, which they were not qualified to do. Causing the damage, prior to them being handed to the nurses.
Really brilliant Dr? Tell the truth, Dr. How many babies were incorrectly administered tunes by the interns, and how often? How many nurses to a baby? Wasn't it supposed to be 1 on 2. It was often 1 in 3 or more. Sewage and waste water leaking right above the cribs. Plumber had to be called out weekly. Is that good fir tiny babies in a weekend condition?
This "brilliant doctor" was admonished by a senior judge in a different case for writing a report that was worthless. All the claims against LL rely on the half-baked assertions of Dr Evans.
Excellent interview. It was very refreshing to hear Dr Dewi Evans talk openly and honestly about NHS management and its failings. I worked for the NHS and attended many management meetings. My mum passed away in the same hospital I was working at and it was after that, I could not work there any longer. I minuted meetings that involved many patient complaints and the 'brushing under the rug' that went on was staggering. When I witnessed the lack of care that my mum received and the feeble excuses that went along with that, I left. The management did not have a clue what went on on the wards and when issues were brought to their attention, all they cared about was how they could excuse it, careful to avoid an apology in case they were held responsible. This, sadly, is as terrible as it can get.
Covering up such heinous murders is just as bad as the murder itself, it should have been thoroughly investigated from the beginning, any peculiar deaths in hospital should be investigated fully, disgusting abuse of power.
This may be off-topic. What religion does she belong to? When it comes to someone from the middle East or south Asia almost always no matter what crime is committed their religion becomes a topic of discussion, but when it's a white man or woman then a smiley face photo is plastered all over media to humanise the criminal and never is the belief system of the individual spoken about. The hypocrisy is absolutely glaring!
@@AJ-il1lm8ph7zI have to agree, their religion always seems to be mentioned I find it funny when I see some Asian or Middle Eastern with a Arabic name who’s also drinking, selling drugs, involved in gangs, stealing etc but the media will straight away point out he’s Muslims as if that‘s the reason he committed the crime 😂
Typical in NHS. I work on the night-shift with girl who left me on my own when I needed help with an urgent samples. The managers called me out and made to apologies to her because they like her not me. So I left that place but this happens in very UK hospitals
@@sharontodd2732nope they pointed out one line - how come they didn’t show the whole paragraph of what she wrote? I’m sorry but I’m evil comment is pretty common think for people to write for whatever reason
I took early retirement from the NHS as the 'political and managerial' interference in my surgical practice meant that I was not necessarily providing best care, but protocol directed care along almost rigid lines, with a reduction in my surgical beds (a ridiculous passing fad) which paralysed my performance of major surgical procedures. I had been a consultant for 30 years and I was being dictated to by numpties, who would not listen, just as in the Lucy Letby case.
Thank you Dr. Evans for your service. Dr Ravi Jayaram was also instrumental in putting a stop to this too. Grateful that the doctors were eventually heard in the end. But it should not have taken this long. Shocking situation all round. The management need to be jailed too.
This is total betrayal who the hell can you trust..My heart goes out to those parents who have lost their babies to someone they thought they could trust..
Yes, but blame the hospital for their negligence. Not the nurses left to deal with the dreadful circumstances, thrust upon them. Incompetent young Dr's handling the babies prior hand over to the nurses' care. Sewerage leaking directly above their cribs. Go figure!
Entitled, narcissistic nurses are very common these days unfortunately. They don't enter the profession to help patients, only their own ego, appearance of being a professional, want the status of good nurses, all the while abusing patients and lacking any medical knowledge or empathy.
@@TheMazinozYou are correct. I’ve encountered nurses who seem as if they don’t even like people. No compassion or bedside manner whatsoever. It’s like why are you here? 🥲✅
@@imgrateful7142 I've encountered some who were much worse, not only ignorant, but not even getting basic details at triage, not realising something like possible impending but avoidable blindness is an emergency then being bullied. Never going back to one hospital in Brisbane Australia. Found out later they have bad reputation at other hospitals even.
Hospitals are now placing profits above lives and I’m glad I retired early from health care. My experience as a patient in a hospital was a nightmare. The level of incompetence by nursing staff was truly astonishing, which nearly cost my life. I would of been better off just by staying at home.
The management team need to be interviewed by the police. I strongly believe they should be charged. Absolutely disgusting that doctors were forced to apologise to this twisted killer. Hope she gets her just desserts in her new home.
So Wrong they have to much already and are Power drunk 100s ot thousands die every year in the NHS due to Docs making the wrong diagnosis cheap wrong tests scans few ops all covered up because UK Docs and UK Hospitals are given Full Protection and Patients are given none No Docs are jailed or even sacked UK docs and nurses also sit watered down exams and tests The rest of the World refused to call UK docs and nurses real docs and nurses Untill UK lords and UK military chiefs forced the EU and World shows who has the power The NHS is a killing Machine and UK Hospitals are out of the Stone Age a total evil Disgrace
The managers need to be arrested for turning a blind eye to this murderer, and purposely turning a blind eye..they are just as evil for allowing this to happen
So their strategic decision was to opt to protect their reputation, 13 babies died and now they’re in the world’s spotlight. How’s that decision working out for you, managers? Hold everyone involved fully accountable, not just allowing them to resign, a criminal investigation. It sends a vital message that needs to be heard, loudly!
Management must be held to account for their complete incompetence and negligence. As always it is the arrogance if these sorts of people that degrade a society.
If you want to hold someone accountable, go for all the medics, the next big fish, they replace them with inferior medics and the Trust squanders their reputation.
I feel sick i just read rampton secure hospital is like butlins they have more than most people working everyday for a living what a fitting punishment it for them
Those poor babies. It's horrific, the whole story. The murders, the lack of intervention by her nurse bosses and the hospital managers. The heartbreak of the parents and families. Just awful 😢
Wow you really had to stretch to find a way to mock transgender people in a story about babies being murdered. Let that bigotry go. You’ll be a much better person.
It's understandable, that Dr Evans says that he has 'drawn a line' under further involvement. It must take a dreadful toll witnessing such evil. He has done wonderful service, bringing this monster to justice.
The woman on this show repeated twice how this nurse used sophisticated means in how she caused these babies deaths. I am an RN in the USA. All RN’s know how to inject meds into intravenous tubing and also how not to inject air! All RN’s know how to feed infants and limits for feeding amounts that are medically appropriate. These are nursing fundamentals, not sophisticated at all! As far as trauma to a baby’s throat, that is not indicative of any medical procedure done on preemies that an RN would or should perform without assistance from another RN or even a Neonatologist! In the NICU where I worked, the preemies are all in one big room, as well as all the RN’s and their leaders (Nurse Practitioners, Doctors Assistants, Neonatologists, and the ancillary staff such as specialists who come from respiratory therapy or the lab or radiology, etc..) It is a village concept in the unit! You care for the 1 or 2 babies you are assigned but you must observe all babies for their safety and wellbeing as their medical status is very fragile and can change in a heartbeat!! I don’t know how the NHS in England sets their units up or really much at all so I am not criticizing or even critiquing!! In our unit, however, such a string of cases could not have occurred due to the way our units are designed and staffed. I feel so very badly for the parents of those precious babies and for all the remaining staff who are truly dedicated and honorable people! Best wishes to all of you!! 🙏🏻🫶🏻😘
Interesting. Thanks for your insight. This is monstrous on a level I can't even comprehend. Those poor families. Those poor little babies. Just nightmare fuel.
Not sure, but if the UK has the same set up as Belgium, babies stay with their mother in her room and don't go to these "communal rooms" anymore. In Belgium, they don't take the baby away except for specific reasons but the mother or her husband can come with them if they want to. My baby, for example, never spent a moment out of our sight because we followed him for every little thing.
@@LaFolleItaliennethe problem is, these were all preemie and micro preemie babies, they can be in the NICU for a very long time, months and months. They are often very sick with complex medical needs. Parents can't't stay with them 24/7, there isn't the facilities for them to sleep there and most families will have other children and jobs they need to return to at some point. I'm sure they spend as much time as possible with their baby but at times they will be left in the care of the ward staff.
@@LaFolleItalienneit's the same here in the UK if your baby has no health problems. The infant stays with the mother at all times. There is no communal nursery. These babies Lucy Letby harmed all needed intensive care.
NHS workers need to scrutinised on a very regular basis.....too much trust given to people who can, and do incredible harm to people. No-one is above the law.
my mother in law was taken into hospital with a urine infection....she could walk with help though she was suffering from dementia............one week in and they took us in a meeting telling us from monday we are withdrawing tablets and stopping feeding her.....they called it an end of life plan....my wife was in bits crying uncontrollably......i told the doctor you are more dr shipman than dr kildare.....i was asked to go out of the room.........we complained and they didn't stop her tablets but we had to go there every mealtime to feed her but we couldn't force her to eat....the manager told us if we did that she would call the police....after a month there she was bedridden but did survive 9 months when they did eventually stop her tablets
@@paulrichards6894 You know exactly what I meant....Sorry to hear about your mother.....it seems to be NHS protocol now. After Dr. Shipman, I don't trust any of them, in any branches or areas of their 'trusts'.
@@Ruby-K it was my mother in law but i lived with her since we married so lived with her for 36 years....she was a brilliant woman...she was in hospital for that 9 months and they made it has horrible as they could
@@jacobjorgenson9285 I spent a week in hospital in March after a heart attack, I saw meat being given to vegetarians, I saw the forging of cleaning documentation, stating it had been done when it hadn't, I saw an old man being told one day he could go home, only to be kept there for at least 4 days later. I saw nurses sit on their fat arses all day without barely moving.
Yep same with a lot of large organisations who only care about reputation and saving money so they let incompetence and even terrible behavior carry on.
My younger son was two months premature and was in ic for two weeks. My husband and I obviously had no choice but to trust his life to the medical staff, who cared for him so well. It's absolutely chilling that the poor parents of those innocent babies were unable to do that. Letby should be shown no mercy- she is an evil entity.
Hospitals in general. It's high time the Doctors should tour the rooms and talk to patients in particular . Try and ask how is the going ,if enjoying the treat or like the hospital. The reason why I say this is coz nurses are cruel ,merciless. Generally this applies to all sections. Nurses, doctors treat your clients warmly.
Mr Evans examined my son 30 years ago in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. I’ll always remember him telling me what an absolute “corker” my baby was. Total respect for this amazing doctor.
Lets not forget the criminal negligence shown by senior hospital managers, many of whom quit and moved into other well paid health and social care jobs. These people should be barred from ever working in these sectors again.
No, the people who made the apologies are the Imbeciles and enabled her to carry on because the cowards were scared of retarded degenerates called management 🤡🙄🥱
We see this type of case a lot nowadays happen in different contexts. Those who speak and act truthfully apologizing to Narcissistic Violaters.. They seem to be enabled nowadays. Scary times indeed.
What a sick twisted mind she must have to deliberately harm these small, defenceless babies. RIP to the babies and heartfelt condolences to the families who lost their precious loved ones.
Nearly everyone is saying this, yet nobody has a problem paying people to do the same thing (much worse actually) to defenseless animals. Effing hypocrites.
This woman purposely took the lives of tiny little infants for her own sadistic and depraved pleasure. She snuffed those poor little babies out like they were nothing all because she got some kind of sick kick out of it. Thank god she's being locked up for life so she can never harm another baby ever again.
Life?? The 14 yr sentence that is call a life sentence? Or her natural life? Because usually almost no one gets term of their natural lives, Harold Shipman was one case but it's rare that happens.
@@alisonjmiller5339 Beverley Allitt has now served all of her minimum sentence of 30 years and she's still inside. A life sentence is not an arbitrary 14 years.
Maybe it’s because I’m an American, but I am SO confused by this hospital system and the process of reporting…Are doctors not allowed to call the police themselves? If the managers ignored them, why didn’t one of the concerned physicians anonymously report her? I’m just blown away that it took 13 deaths, always with the same person present, for action to be taken. Also, why aren’t the managers facing charges? Just curious
The doctors were told by senior managers they had to write a sorry letter to Letby for accusing her of such crimes and once that was done the Chief execs told the docs to draw a line under it or there would be further consequences.
The Dr's wanted Letby removed and investigated; only the hospital, or people who are medically trained, can carry out such an investigation. If they had involved the police earlier, than many of the deaths could be 'explained away', as having a medical cause/natural causes etc. Medical staff tend to act on actual 'evidence'; which the hospital management, if willing to cooperate sooner ,could have easily provided. The first complaint was raised by a non-white Dr; and I'm sorry, but IMO, it appears that the management 'closed ranks', in order to protect Letby. Why so many of you are more angry at the Dr's rather than Letby or the managers, is really strange IMO. Go to the police with what exactly? A hunch? And what do you think the police would have said? 'Have you informed management?'. Only the management had the power to remove Letby from the ward IMMEDIATELY, and they FAILED to do that!
Hospital managers do this all over the world. I was dismissed when I was sexually assaulted by an orderly. It's about time the Hospitals took responsibility for assaults on vulnerable patients. It's always brushed under the blanket. This is one of the worst cases I've ever seen of managers ignoring Drs gut feelings and pretending everything is OK. Shame on the managers!!!! Now they will have to write up new rules or legislation around investigating neonatal deaths and more time writing due to red tape, rather than looking after patients.
Years ago I was in hospital for surgery, I was placed on a morphine drip which I asked to have removed because it was making me sick, they all ignored me as well as the Dr, I remember waking up from a disturbed sleep because I felt someone fiddling with the drip, but I was suddenly very tired, I woke up a few minutes later only knew this because I had looked at the clock over the door both times, and I remembered someone had been at the drip I suddenly noticed an air bubble 10 inch’s long, to say I was freaking out was an understatement I rang for the nurse but I shut off the drip there was no way in hell I was letting it go into my vain, the nurse finally came 5 minutes later saw the drip turned off and went to turn it back on, never batted an eye at the huge air pocket, I put my hand over hers and told her to get a needle and syringe and remove the air pocket, she looked my in the eye and told me it would not harm me, I gave a choice either she removers the air pocket or I pull out the drip and she can explain to the Sister and the Dr. She walked off and got what I asked for and she removed it. Drips do not develop air pockets like that ever in all the years I have been on them ever, having her tell me it’s safe was bull, my Mom was a nurse for 20 years when it older her what happened she said I did the right thing, when the Dr came around in the morning I gave him the same choice either remove the drip or I would. He had it removed with 10 minutes of me demanding, 3 hours later my head was finally cleared and I stopped throwing up every few hours. I had been right the morphine had been making me sick, when I checked my charts they had me on 10mg an hour no wonder I was bloody sick all the time as for that nurse I reported her before leaving because I just did not trust her at all, I still have no idea who it was at my beside fiddling with the drip in the first place. Thankfully after being off the drip for 24 hours I was finally allowed home, I was only meant to be there over night after the surgery it took 7 days before I could go home. When I went to his office for my post-op checkup and to have the rest of the stitches removed I asked him why I had been on such a high dose, he checked his notes and that nurse I did not trust had told him I was complaining of being in massive pain. I told him I had no pain at all and that the morphine had kept my mind so muddled I could not think straight or string two words together. I told him what happened with the air pocket in the drip tube and how big it was, he wanted to know how I knew how long, I told him I place my little finger at one end and my thumb to the other end and it was longer than my hand span which is 7 inches wide. He took a lot of notes if he did anything I don’t know, but she was not there when I visited Gran a few days later she had her leg removed at the same time I had my surgery. I was just glad that nurse was no where near Gran. To this day I still hate going on drips and I watch them all the time. That was 30 years ago when we still had a matron and sister plus nurses on the wards and before the wards became mixed sex wards. I have no idea what is going on but hospitals are just not run the way they use to be. Too many oops sorry happen.
It’s so hard to hear how these babies died. I can’t imagine the pain the parents feel . I feel sorry for them. This will be a lifetime pain. Lord have mercy.
Having worked for 20 years in the NHS and seeing layers upon layers of management introduced, none of whom had any experience of working with patients, it became clear it wasnt working. High time management reverted to being controlled by senior medics and reinstate matrons.
Please start an action or referendum for capital punishment. This evil woman should have her own life stopped and not letting the state having to look after her for life
This guy is going to go to jail once it's revealed that she's not guilty. Remember it has to be based on beyond reasonable doubt. So how can there be no evidence she did it?
NHS Managers KNEW there was no hard evidence i.e. CCTV, of Letby's crimes which made it easy for them to turn a blind eye. The REAL problem here, is the jealousy the NHS Managers have of the Consultants. I have seen it first hand when I was an NHS bank secretary and worked for consultants in various departments. The Managers are super jealous of the talent and skills of the Consultants and treat them like something off the bottom of their shoe and huge power trips telling the clinical staff what to do. Zero respect. Those Managers especially the one who told the consultants to apologise should go to prison for aiding and abetting a murderer and obstruction of a police investigation, which is evident in the poor submission of notes, outlined in this interview. I think she should go to a psychiatric prison until she takes her last breath
I suppose this is old news now, but as a retired doctor Evans is talking crap. Baby D died from pneumonia, which is an infection, Baby E died from a haemmorage. Why were these babies not included in Evan's list of "thus usual things babies die from?". All of Letby's victims were preterm or very low birth weight, which is the two most common causes of death in preterm babies. In all there were 17 deaths in the hospital, up from the usual three. So what happened to the other ten babies that Letby didn't kill? 10 bablies is three times the background rate, what explains these? Air embolism is nearly impossible to diagnose, even at the time. It is impossible to diagnose 7 years later. If your doctor is as certain about you as Evans is about Letby, maybe you should change your doctor!
How often are post mortems over ridden in court? I read something that stated 50% of neonatal deaths are inconclusive post mortems due to their unique physiology.
After reading Science on Trial and Dr Richard Gill's blog on the case I conclude that at best LL had an unfair trial, at worst she is innocent of all charges. She appears to be the victim of a judicial sysyem that is at best inadequate and at worst, corrupt.
@@lisaperry2392 i wanted so much for her to be innocent but the evidence against her is overwhelming.....if i was innocent i would have been at the verdict screaming my innocence not like her refusing to come up to face the jury,,,you could of course just be a troll but i will give you the benefit of the doubt
News flash: September 2024 Twenty four expert neonatologists and statisticians, have wrote to the UK Justice minister, voicing their concern regarding the validity of the prosecution evidence. Both Sir David, MP and Nadine Dorries, MP, have also voiced their concerns and investigating the case.
She should get life with no early release date , shes a murderer and caused untold misery snd upset to countless families who will spend the rest of their lives never forgetting the baby that died at the hands of this evil woman , but i expect there are people ready to jump to her defence and say mental health issues were to blame and avoid her serving any sentence .
There is a mental health issue with this case. To murder babies you have to be “sick in the head.” That must not however exclude anyone found guilty from punishment. She is very sick indeed and the public must be protected from the likes of her. We wait with some anticipation for the sentence in a few days but it is relatively easy to predict.
@@andycapp8843 At last, someone with a brain not purely controlled by emotion! Beverley Allitt... convicted of similar crimes in 1991 and sentenced to a minimum of 30 years... she's still inside.
@@andycapp8843psychopathy isn't a sickness, it's a personality disorder. The individual is aware they're doing wrong, and they know society finds it sickening. The problem is, they cannot feel the same level of empathy. The need for control is stronger. People with genuine mental health problems cannot premeditate murder, they cannot plan a murder with precision, cunning and calculated actions. However, a psychopath does pre plan their murders in advance, in most cases.
Those hospital managers and ceo of the hospital who made the consultants write a apology letter to Lucy should also be brought to court and served justice as well.
There needs to be security cameras in all areas of hospitals, care homes for the elderly and child care centres. No doubt an expensive exercise but what price do you put on someone's life. 😢😢
Dr Evans says: "With injection of air unless someone’s sees you doing it then you can’t prove that anything - it would have been difficult to prove that these babies had been placed in harm’s way." How is his untested hypothesis allowed to over-rule the findings of the pathologists who conducted post mortems on six of the babies and found no evidence of foul play?
In Letbys mind SHE was in charge of the babies life or death. That was HER power. This shows up in HER decision to appear for sentencing. I agree with this doctor in all . The TRUST & their management box tickers should hang their head in shame. They must be held accountable. Too interested in protecting the trusts name. How on earth did the trust question the doctors when they reported Letby.
There are no words for what she's done, and I mean none! 😢 It's amazing the people who get so much trust in this world. 💔 Some of the people that work with children and they elders don't even like them. I love children and elders, but I'm not a nurse. 🥺
What a load of incoherent shite. How else are we supposed to care for the young and old without placing our trust in others? If you're such a saint why don't you become one of thousands that aren't psychopathic killers caring for the vulnerable? As for "no words", well it's obviously depraved and obviously there's some kind of mental illness involved... possibly Munchausen syndrome by proxy.... like Beverley Allitt. Besides, what about Tony Fauci? He's in healthcare and possibly responsible for over 7... million deaths. Got anything to say about him or are you just gonna stand outside your front door on a Thursday evening and bang some pots?
In just the few interviews, I’ve watched it seems like although babies were dying the concern TOP MANAGERS were more concerned about the public opinion. The one ☝🏽 doctor who suspected her was forced to continue working with her and apologize to her. She wrote letters asking the other staff to continue working together?? WTH 🤦🏻♀️ Rather than taking the initiative to investigate thoroughly it was a overwhelming sense of cover up so the hospital ratings and perception was their main priority?
Those in charge need to sacked immediately , they will be won’t they , if you can prove a killer you can prove who lied and asked people to hush. I work for the NHS my desk faces a wall, and on the wall is a poster and on the poster, it says whistleblowing blah blah blah. I feel like taking it down and writing What a joke across it
I am a nurse. And I am beyong shock, I am disgusted. This is the most compassioned and caring profession. How can people trust us now? We have enought stress in normal circunstances, imagine from now on. The doubts the suspition, the anger. SHE IS NOT A NURSE SHE IS A PSYCHOPAT KILLER. Keep your eyes and heart open for the rest of us who really care. MANAGERS =TO JAIL THEY ARE SELF CENTRED ON THEI JOB. NEVER LISTEN CLEARLLY DONT CARE.
The management who protected her really need to explain themselves. Telling consultants to apologise on threat of action against them? Outrageous, hopefully the enquiry will recommend changes there.
I’m so angry when something horrendous happens like this that we find these hospitals first reaction is to shut people up, instead of trying to protect their most vulnerable they go into protecting the system instead. When will those in charge of their hospital face prison? We need to start making sure their early reaction of shutting concerns down be held to account. Those who act immediately should be praised, but those like in the case of Letbys Hospital should face charges too. Enough is Enough already!!!
How long should Lucy Letby spend in jail?
Life without parole
@jordan3405 your disgusting.
She should never see the light of day again, lock her up and throw away the key. My heart breaks for the families of all these little babies 💔
She shouldn’t even be in prison, this is so so wrong
None ,put her in a room with the parents.
As a nurse of 26yrs I can tell you that managers are a curse on the NHS, they have NO medical experience whatsoever yet dictate to doctors and nursing staff on how the hospital is to be run. The worse thing that was ever done to the NHS was when they removed the Matrons as they ran the wards extremely efficiently. Especially when it comes to cleanliness and hygiene as they had authority over the cleaners who were employed by the NHS unlike now, where they don't answer to the hospital as they are contracted in, and as a result of this we have had Legionnaire's disease etc. BRING BACK THE MATRON!!
This is so true .. I work in the NHS and it is reflected in all aspects of NHS ..
Totally agree
What u on about the cleaners are employed by NHS . They answer to thier supervisor not a nurse . Why should they answer to a nurse ; wtf do nurses know about cleaning.
Agreed 💯 Nursing management is a dark joke. Real clownwork... As a fellow nurse here. My heart hurts at this state of NHS. It's ghastly
@@artsy38what year are you talking about? Get real. Get really real. If you're not educated on how the system works now please educate yourself. This isn't about your cleaning skills or your ego. Get down from your high horse.
Managers need a trial as well....they didnt murder themselves but allowed her to carry on murdering even after medics screamed a warning to them.
Agreed in full
Managers who are not qualified doctors threaten those who are concerned qualified professionals. I feel so sorry for the doctors involved in this. It is unacceptable they should have been dismissed despite their concerns. Those Managers should be put on trial
Agreed, they cared about nothing but they're own ego's and professional image. Dereliction of they're professional duty of care.
think the doctor said at least 5 babies could have been saved.....they should be jailed with her
@@Ursula-d7r it appears the managers were worried about repuatation of the unit so covered up the medics concerns....looking after their own jobs.
As the father of 2 young babies who were born in the last 5 years, i stayed present with them the whole time, whilst my wife was recuperating! I wouldn't trust anyone, NHS or not, you never really truly know what people are capable of!
Absolutely disgusting what this evil woman did!
My twins were in special care and they couldn't get me out of there, I refused to move after they tried to send me home the 1st week and I'd do it all again, my babies were not being left without me or their dad.
@@kellz5135 full respect to you, despite your condition and state after giving birth you decided to fight for your babies and I applaud you for your courage but sadly, not everyone is as strong as you. In light of these monstrosities, we hope people will be less trusting moving forwards or better, a system in place to ensure babies aren't separated from the only person they need to be with after birth, their mother's.
Respect to you dad for being the second set of eyes while mom was recovering! I’m American but my partner and I had this same system. Our daughter never left our sight. You simply cannot trust anyone!
@kellz5135 Don't blame you, it's a shame the level of trust within the medical field has severely depleted.
@Gattsu1986 I thankfully had a very supportive partner. I know it isn't easy for everyone and we shouldn't even have to worry like this. Sad state of affairs.
As a current medical professional myself, i absolutely agree with Dr Evans' suggestion that non-clinical managers have taken over far too much control of the NHS.
THEY ARE JUST BRAINLESS POWER CRAZY OVERPAYED MANIPULATIVE COLD HEARTED CONTROLING NARCISSISTS
Many Managers are removed from reality; don’t care.
Can someone find out if she worked or did work experience in Beckenham hospital in 2013, I met cold cruel nurse who had similar appearance to this woman. Had I not bee present at the time, I think that woman would have done serious harm to my baby.
YOU GO TO THE FUCKING POLICE.
Dr Evans should have kept his nose out of it as he was a retired paediatrician, not a forensic scientist or pathologist and he had no experience of investigating mass murder in a hospital sentence. The babies that Letby is accused of murdering were actually autopsied and found to have died of natural causes. Evans disregarded the findings of the pathologists and developed his own theories. He made his claims based on a review of the clinical records and images taken at autopsy.
The essence of child abuse is that it happens ''in the dark''. The Managers should also go to court.
Dr Evans is a humble, clever man. Thank you Doc!
one said he did everything to stop while the sametime calling the doctors bullies against the killer
Humble? The boy thinks he's Quincy! Myers was right about him and his evidence.
We need to go back to the good standard set by matrons, sisters and staff nurses. Not managers who are not trained nurses or worked on a ward. We were watched by the sister and staff nurses. Standards had to be maintained or you were taken to Matron who would be fierce. You loved your job and took pride in your work. Like most of them today, with these people on the ward someone like Lucy would be found out. The doctors would raise their concerns with the sister and or Matron. The old system worked better and standards higher.
He's one of the best - he taught me as a student.
Dr Ravi is to be saluted
Do you all realise those babies felt tremendous amount of pain before passing away? One of the victim’s mom heard her child scream bloody murder with blood coming out from his mouth. This woman is pure evil!
a baby screamed 'bloody murder'? ......
@@shrubhuntit's a saying, as in "the baby was screaming extremely loudly, it was in distress, in pain", etc
@@shrubhuntit's a saying, as in "the baby was screaming extremely loudly, it was in distress, in pain", etc
And worse she will now be protected in prison by rhe government so other inmates can't get to her
Shes an evil psychopath
I once worked for the NHS (around 30 years ago). It was then a dysfunctional, inefficient, disorganised mess; it doesn’t seem any better now. It’s full of managers with fancy titles and six-figure salaries who care more about keeping their jobs than the patients’ welfare.
That is truly sad, sounds similar to the issues in the US.
❤I remember it happening. We were fine, then all these managers rocked up in company cars, I can remember standing at the window and saying. "Bloody hell, there's more of them than us!" It all went downhill.
@@Simpson4756 - my sister worked at Guy's hospital most of her working life. I remember her railing against these Managers, people with no medical experience, no qualifications whatsoever. The system needs changing.
Same except 17 years ago, I found it much more efficient when the sisters / matrons ran the wards/ units
Hospitals in the U.S. are no different!
What's shocking about this case is no lessons were learnt from the Beverly Allitt murders, the fact they missed TEN warnings that Letby was up to no good is absolutely terrifying and shocking. Those who ignored the warning signs should also be charged.
Not to mention the endless list of young people dropping dead/dying in their sleep after taking the sauce
People don't want to believe it...pitiful. Let's hope this raises the bar of diligence and safeguarding of babies in hospital.
@@sinceresong9907 You are absolutely spot on 👏👍👍.
@@Steves_fish That's right. She had all that time to do whatever she liked. Shocking.
Yes. If there is one person everytime many babies die? Whos to ask about that?
There should absolutely be manslaughter charges for those who dismissed concerns raised. Its disgusting that a consultant had to apologise for doing his clinical duty
Not manslaughter but some form of accountability.
Breach of duty of care, negligent deaths. Hospital is liable, potentially criminally liable imo. Manslaughter by negligence.
@@gurutruecrimeguru1405 involuntary manslaughter by gross negligence for the babies killed after the point of concerns being raised (possibly 5 babies)
Because these consultants needed a scapegoat for the disgusting state of the CoCH neonatal unit an innocent woman has been sentenced to a whole life term.
What a charming, upright, honest, kind, level headed, thorough man, using his skills he had built up over his 50 years of service. He must have found the experience very daunting. My respect goes to him, the doctors who tried to bring this to the forefront of the useless managers . God bless the stricken parents and families; the babies are now safe. R.I.P. little ones ❤
Very well said😊
Dr Evans examined my son 30 years ago in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. He was so kind and caring. A true doctor and consummate professional.
He's one of the best - he taught me as a student
@@peterstephens733 absolute gentleman.
No evidence was found, no autopsy, no blood work or body screening. Only thing she was convicted on as he view. Well that's crazy way too for out court in UK too act. Was once dne my evidence. No seem anyone can have a point view and you can be convicted shamefull.
Clearly you dnt know about other cases around world extremely similar too this where nurse after time was shown not too be at fault.
It's disgrace with our.court system.
I feel extremely sad for babies that lost they lifes. And those families.
NHS now will have too pay millions in compensation for so called lack of care and negligence.
I hope.anyone that one here not convicted by a.point view and not evidence.
I find it disgusting anyone would ever title her: Lucy Letby "Angel of Death"
It makes her sound more majestic and glorifies her. She wasn't an angel of death, she was just a twisted woman who preyed on the most vulnerable of humanity.
Exactly not "Angel of death" But "Demon of Death Lucy the Lucifer"
Unsupervised free with those baby’s , no doctors no matron no second nurse to work together nil
Hospital on trail not her
Demon would be more appropriate.
Yes it’s disgusting
Presumably because nurses are, or certainly used to be, called Angels?
The work of this Doctor needs recognising. He has been caring for our children all their lives and has given them justice in their
death.
be polite... in reply. Wonderful comment:
Dr Evans is very impressive- calm, reasoned, confidence inspiring. He's done a great service in this case. Deserves recognition far more than many who get 'honours'.
He's a boss. He doesn't ask the police, he tells them 16:10
I think what he did was to solely to focus on the case/ the evidence, rather than the personality rather the then the accused and that is why he made his decision. Often people are side tracked by what the person look like they could do that sort of thing blah blah.
@@averyj5446 Maybe in the public eye, but not in a professional tribunal lmao
@@quantumjourney1 Same people in public are the same people sitting in the tribunal, you think they are different species or what?
@@quantumjourney1well said. His testimony has previously been thrown out by an excellent and highly professional judge (not going to comment on the presiding judge in this trial, think his bizarredecisionmaking in this case speaks for itself) in a previous case for not being considered 'expert'. He was not registered with the GMC when he was assisting in the LL investigation. Shocking stuff. Don't be fooled by the media.
Beyond the killer herself of course, the management of this hospital need to be held accountable for these abominable crimes. Excessive levels of insulin in the blood of a baby who didn't need it? That right there should've told them something nefarious was afoot.
Hi just what I wrote , how did they think the insulin got there ? Magic? They knew it had to be murder,
Hey should be on nonce wing with her
@@kjp1232What ????????
@@judedonnelly4100 hospital management should be on the baby killers prison wing with this monster because they are responsible for ignoring reports about the beast.
All the claims against Lucy Letby rely on the half-baked assertions of Dr Evans
When he says the default position of NHS managers when things go wrong is to cover up is 100% true.They need to be trialled as well.This is the most obnxious,appalling event in any NHS hospital, infact anywhere around the world.The Details are so distressing.
I spent 40 years working in the public sector: education and social services and I know that there were many coverups by senior managers.
100%..these managers need to be arrested for murder as well..
It’s also true in US hospitals that are quite different obviously.
The common denominator is non medical people
When someone of his experience and reputation days that there has to be truth in it.
By 'covering up', they are condoning the wrong doer and allowing them to carry on and do more harm!
It was actually the doctors who were trying to cover up the appalling state of the CoCH neonatal unit. The consultants had been severely reprimanded in a report from the Royal College of Paediatricians & Child Health. A scapegoat had to be found......
This brilliant doctor did not mince his words. Well done to all the doctors for exposing this monster and my heartfelt condolences to baby families.
Not so. The Dr's are covering up the incompetence by themselves in this hospital. Entubing weak babies up to 8 times, which they were not qualified to do. Causing the damage, prior to them being handed to the nurses.
Really brilliant Dr? Tell the truth, Dr. How many babies were incorrectly administered tunes by the interns, and how often? How many nurses to a baby? Wasn't it supposed to be 1 on 2. It was often 1 in 3 or more. Sewage and waste water leaking right above the cribs. Plumber had to be called out weekly. Is that good fir tiny babies in a weekend condition?
This "brilliant doctor" was admonished by a senior judge in a different case for writing a report that was worthless. All the claims against LL rely on the half-baked assertions of Dr Evans.
This man is no expert believe me.
Excellent interview. It was very refreshing to hear Dr Dewi Evans talk openly and honestly about NHS management and its failings. I worked for the NHS and attended many management meetings. My mum passed away in the same hospital I was working at and it was after that, I could not work there any longer. I minuted meetings that involved many patient complaints and the 'brushing under the rug' that went on was staggering. When I witnessed the lack of care that my mum received and the feeble excuses that went along with that, I left. The management did not have a clue what went on on the wards and when issues were brought to their attention, all they cared about was how they could excuse it, careful to avoid an apology in case they were held responsible. This, sadly, is as terrible as it can get.
Every single one of her managers should lose their jobs. Even the slightest suspicions should have been acted on !!!
Correct
They need to go to jail. That’s absolute negligence on the hospital’s part.
Most - if not all - have already moved on....
Covering up such heinous murders is just as bad as the murder itself, it should have been thoroughly investigated from the beginning, any peculiar deaths in hospital should be investigated fully, disgusting abuse of power.
Nothings as bad as actually committing the crime itself but they are complicit no doubt.
This may be off-topic. What religion does she belong to? When it comes to someone from the middle East or south Asia almost always no matter what crime is committed their religion becomes a topic of discussion, but when it's a white man or woman then a smiley face photo is plastered all over media to humanise the criminal and never is the belief system of the individual spoken about. The hypocrisy is absolutely glaring!
@@AJ-il1lm8ph7z after what she has been accused to have done, I doubt any religion would have her.
@@AJ-il1lm8ph7zI have to agree, their religion always seems to be mentioned I find it funny when I see some Asian or Middle Eastern with a Arabic name who’s also drinking, selling drugs, involved in gangs, stealing etc but the media will straight away point out he’s Muslims as if that‘s the reason he committed the crime 😂
Not really religion is it?
The staff who were suspicious of Letby were forced to apologize to her? That’s appalling and criminal.
Absolutely :(
It's appalling, but not a crime, not criminal
Typical in NHS.
I work on the night-shift with girl who left me on my own when I needed help with an urgent samples. The managers called me out and made to apologies to her because they like her not me. So I left that place but this happens in very UK hospitals
Disgraceful
The worst is that Letby has the choice not to be physically present in court during trial. It's a slap in the face to the victims IMO.
A child nurse killing the children under her care is absolutely terrifying !
Literally not one shred of evidence she done anything
@@4500KneeGrowOpen your eyes & ears, she wrote in her diary that she had done it & asked herself if she was evil.
@@4500KneeGrowlol lazy troll
@@sharontodd2732 yeah that's not what her diary said at all
@@sharontodd2732nope they pointed out one line - how come they didn’t show the whole paragraph of what she wrote? I’m sorry but I’m evil comment is pretty common think for people to write for whatever reason
I took early retirement from the NHS as the 'political and managerial' interference in my surgical practice meant that I was not necessarily providing best care, but protocol directed care along almost rigid lines, with a reduction in my surgical beds (a ridiculous passing fad) which paralysed my performance of major surgical procedures. I had been a consultant for 30 years and I was being dictated to by numpties, who would not listen, just as in the Lucy Letby case.
The fact that it took over two years for something to happen is mind boggling.
Thank you Dr. Evans for your service. Dr Ravi Jayaram was also instrumental in putting a stop to this too. Grateful that the doctors were eventually heard in the end. But it should not have taken this long.
Shocking situation all round. The management need to be jailed too.
This is total betrayal who the hell can you trust..My heart goes out to those parents who have lost their babies to someone they thought they could trust..
totally agree! whom can you trust?? extremely terrifying
@@anahash3221 the Lord Jesus Christ
Yes, but blame the hospital for their negligence. Not the nurses left to deal with the dreadful circumstances, thrust upon them. Incompetent young Dr's handling the babies prior hand over to the nurses' care. Sewerage leaking directly above their cribs. Go figure!
This case is horrifying.
Unbelievable and outrageous. That staff were forced to apologize to this monster is unconscionable.
Entitled, narcissistic nurses are very common these days unfortunately. They don't enter the profession to help patients, only their own ego, appearance of being a professional, want the status of good nurses, all the while abusing patients and lacking any medical knowledge or empathy.
@@TheMazinozYou are correct. I’ve encountered nurses who seem as if they don’t even like people. No compassion or bedside manner whatsoever. It’s like why are you here? 🥲✅
@@imgrateful7142 I've encountered some who were much worse, not only ignorant, but not even getting basic details at triage, not realising something like possible impending but avoidable blindness is an emergency then being bullied. Never going back to one hospital in Brisbane Australia. Found out later they have bad reputation at other hospitals even.
@@AquaFyre The evidence and the police and the jury don't agree with this interpretation.
@@AquaFyre So you want a video of her killing a child??
Hospitals are now placing profits above lives and I’m glad I retired early from health care. My experience as a patient in a hospital was a nightmare. The level of incompetence by nursing staff was truly astonishing, which nearly cost my life. I would of been better off just by staying at home.
Which is why every single covid death was in a hospital
Agreed
@@crapbag426 this is incorrect. Many died at homes too, with Covid symptoms, but weren’t properly counted.
The elderly especially are treated terribly.
@@RC-jr4in It’s awful, and nobody deserves such neglect in their final years.
This is pure full EVIL, why???! They were just born!!! How can she kill little angels. She def deserves the harshest penalty ever.
The irony of it all is that they are calling HER and ANGEL (of death) more like a DEVIL of death
@queenofhearts And what might that be ? Life imprisonment, death penalty or banishment to space😗, perhaps?
Because she is a psychopath and doesn't behave rationally like a normal individual. She has no empathy.
HG Tudor has an indepeth series on Lucy.....he himself is a Narcissist. His research on her will bring in some light into her behaviours.
The management team need to be interviewed by the police. I strongly believe they should be charged. Absolutely disgusting that doctors were forced to apologise to this twisted killer. Hope she gets her just desserts in her new home.
The powers of managers should be minimised in all departments not just the NHS. The professionals should have more power.
You are liar. I saw somebody like that before which looks like you.😢😮
So Wrong they have to much already and are Power drunk 100s ot thousands die every year in the NHS due to Docs making the wrong diagnosis cheap wrong tests scans few ops all covered up because UK Docs and UK Hospitals are given Full Protection and Patients are given none No Docs are jailed or even sacked UK docs and nurses also sit watered down exams and tests The rest of the World refused to call UK docs and nurses real docs and nurses Untill UK lords and UK military chiefs forced the EU and World shows who has the power The NHS is a killing Machine and UK Hospitals are out of the Stone Age a total evil Disgrace
The problem is hospitals are run like a business that’s why management is required. Doctors can’t save lives and balance the books at the same time.
AGREED
The problem in the NHS is that concerned and informed 'whistle blowers' are treated as pariahs by management!
I agree . I once whistle-blowed and I was bullied significantly.
The managers need to be arrested for turning a blind eye to this murderer, and purposely turning a blind eye..they are just as evil for allowing this to happen
So their strategic decision was to opt to protect their reputation, 13 babies died and now they’re in the world’s spotlight. How’s that decision working out for you, managers? Hold everyone involved fully accountable, not just allowing them to resign, a criminal investigation. It sends a vital message that needs to be heard, loudly!
Management must be held to account for their complete incompetence and negligence. As always it is the arrogance if these sorts of people that degrade a society.
If you want to hold someone accountable, go for all the medics, the next big fish, they replace them with inferior medics and the Trust squanders their reputation.
The stem cell trade
They literally accused the doctors suspicious of letby of being responsible, they told one of them “wouldn’t that be convenient for you”
We should bring back the death penalty rather than pay £80,000 a year to house these monsters.
I feel sick i just read rampton secure hospital is like butlins they have more than most people working everyday for a living what a fitting punishment it for them
Off with her head
That's never going to happen though is it in this day and age.
Come on be more realistic.
@@nackjicholson1940 once Britain becomes Muslim country they will get back the death penalty
Bring back the death penalty in these cases
Those poor babies. It's horrific, the whole story. The murders, the lack of intervention by her nurse bosses and the hospital managers. The heartbreak of the parents and families.
Just awful 😢
Hail the great NHS management. Probably too busy asking men were they pregnant.
How true!
might be nice if more fell off their snowboards while they are saying WE will have a challenging winter this year. @@fionaforward3358
@@fionaforward3358exactly that!
Exactly!
Wow you really had to stretch to find a way to mock transgender people in a story about babies being murdered. Let that bigotry go. You’ll be a much better person.
The managers should be there too!! For negligence
It's understandable, that Dr Evans says that he has 'drawn a line' under further involvement. It must take a dreadful toll witnessing such evil.
He has done wonderful service, bringing this monster to justice.
The woman on this show repeated twice how this nurse used sophisticated means in how she caused these babies deaths. I am an RN in the USA. All RN’s know how to inject meds into intravenous tubing and also how not to inject air! All RN’s know how to feed infants and limits for feeding amounts that are medically appropriate. These are nursing fundamentals, not sophisticated at all! As far as trauma to a baby’s throat, that is not indicative of any medical procedure done on preemies that an RN would or should perform without assistance from another RN or even a Neonatologist! In the NICU where I worked, the preemies are all in one big room, as well as all the RN’s and their leaders (Nurse Practitioners, Doctors Assistants, Neonatologists, and the ancillary staff such as specialists who come from respiratory therapy or the lab or radiology, etc..) It is a village concept in the unit! You care for the 1 or 2 babies you are assigned but you must observe all babies for their safety and wellbeing as their medical status is very fragile and can change in a heartbeat!! I don’t know how the NHS in England sets their units up or really much at all so I am not criticizing or even critiquing!! In our unit, however, such a string of cases could not have occurred due to the way our units are designed and staffed. I feel so very badly for the parents of those precious babies and for all the remaining staff who are truly dedicated and honorable people! Best wishes to all of you!! 🙏🏻🫶🏻😘
Interesting. Thanks for your insight. This is monstrous on a level I can't even comprehend. Those poor families. Those poor little babies. Just nightmare fuel.
Not sure, but if the UK has the same set up as Belgium, babies stay with their mother in her room and don't go to these "communal rooms" anymore. In Belgium, they don't take the baby away except for specific reasons but the mother or her husband can come with them if they want to. My baby, for example, never spent a moment out of our sight because we followed him for every little thing.
@@LaFolleItaliennethe problem is, these were all preemie and micro preemie babies, they can be in the NICU for a very long time, months and months. They are often very sick with complex medical needs. Parents can't't stay with them 24/7, there isn't the facilities for them to sleep there and most families will have other children and jobs they need to return to at some point. I'm sure they spend as much time as possible with their baby but at times they will be left in the care of the ward staff.
Genene Anne Jones in the USA was responsible for up to 60 infant and children deaths from 1970-1983. She was an LPN/LVN.
@@LaFolleItalienneit's the same here in the UK if your baby has no health problems. The infant stays with the mother at all times. There is no communal nursery. These babies Lucy Letby harmed all needed intensive care.
NHS workers need to scrutinised on a very regular basis.....too much trust given to people who can, and do incredible harm to people.
No-one is above the law.
my mother in law was taken into hospital with a urine infection....she could walk with help though she was suffering from dementia............one week in and they took us in a meeting telling us from monday we are withdrawing tablets and stopping feeding her.....they called it an end of life plan....my wife was in bits crying uncontrollably......i told the doctor you are more dr shipman than dr kildare.....i was asked to go out of the room.........we complained and they didn't stop her tablets but we had to go there every mealtime to feed her but we couldn't force her to eat....the manager told us if we did that she would call the police....after a month there she was bedridden but did survive 9 months when they did eventually stop her tablets
What about managers who were made aware of doctors concerns and suspicions but brushed it off
@@paulrichards6894 You know exactly what I meant....Sorry to hear about your mother.....it seems to be NHS protocol now.
After Dr. Shipman, I don't trust any of them, in any branches or areas of their 'trusts'.
@@Ruby-K it was my mother in law but i lived with her since we married so lived with her for 36 years....she was a brilliant woman...she was in hospital for that 9 months and they made it has horrible as they could
@@paulrichards6894 I meant to type mother in law, I apologise, to you and your wife.
The managers should be investigated and held accountable! Shameful!
Good interview, you allowed the Doctor to tell his story.
The profession was slow to pick it up because there is a culture of cover up and hide mistakes, rather than admit errors.
They needed their loosh .
You’ve never worked in a hospital have you?
@@jacobjorgenson9285 I spent a week in hospital in March after a heart attack, I saw meat being given to vegetarians, I saw the forging of cleaning documentation, stating it had been done when it hadn't, I saw an old man being told one day he could go home, only to be kept there for at least 4 days later. I saw nurses sit on their fat arses all day without barely moving.
I think this is in a lot of industrys not just hospital staff.
Yep same with a lot of large organisations who only care about reputation and saving money so they let incompetence and even terrible behavior carry on.
My younger son was two months premature and was in ic for two weeks. My husband and I obviously had no choice but to trust his life to the medical staff, who cared for him so well. It's absolutely chilling that the poor parents of those innocent babies were unable to do that. Letby should be shown no mercy- she is an evil entity.
Hospitals in general.
It's high time the Doctors should tour the rooms and talk to patients in particular .
Try and ask how is the going ,if enjoying the treat or like the hospital.
The reason why I say this is coz nurses are cruel ,merciless.
Generally this applies to all sections.
Nurses, doctors treat your clients warmly.
We are judgemental group as a whole. It’s an ugly environment of entitlement of fraud
Credit to your doctor-guest. He’s an absolute gentleman & a credit to his profession & to our society.
Mr Evans examined my son 30 years ago in Morriston Hospital in Swansea. I’ll always remember him telling me what an absolute “corker” my baby was. Total respect for this amazing doctor.
CCTV should be made mandatory in our hospitals. The cameras would not lie.
I couldn’t agree more! Especially when the child is in separate room to the Mother and father
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It’s amazing that material things& possessions are monitored by video, but not these priceless irreplaceable treasures!
This man is going to be paying so much compensation when the truth comes out. Lucy Letby is going to own his house, his car, you name it.
The profession wasn’t slow to pick it up. Multiple consultants raised concerns and were shut down and made to apologise.
She's a serial killer. Death penalty 🤬
Calculation she showed is off the scale it’s heartbreaking 🥲
Death penalty
I agree 👍💯
Why do people keep commenting about the death penalty as though it's somehow a potential option.
This is the UK mate not gonna happen.
@@nackjicholson1940 on special cases with public vote it should be allowed
Lets not forget the criminal negligence shown by senior hospital managers, many of whom quit and moved into other well paid health and social care jobs. These people should be barred from ever working in these sectors again.
I've spent 45 years working in health care . It all changed in the early eighties when we were tripping up over managers. Paper shuffling fools
A killer has no recognisable face.
@@Kangh88 What on earth has melonin to do with this? Racist comment.
@@Kangh88black people commit more crime cry about it
@emmsue1053 how he's racist. She's a white women. That means she has a face.
@@OldgenRictofenbecause it has nothing to do with race you 🛎️ end
She actually got the doctors to apologize to her as well. Wow. She is a psychopath. A horrible evil person.
No, the people who made the apologies are the Imbeciles and enabled her to carry on because the cowards were scared of retarded degenerates called management 🤡🙄🥱
And she denies everything
Monster
Thats a woman for you ..narcissistic
We see this type of case a lot nowadays happen in different contexts. Those who speak and act truthfully apologizing to Narcissistic Violaters.. They seem to be enabled nowadays. Scary times indeed.
Management made them apologize they're more evil than she
What a sick twisted mind she must have to deliberately harm these small, defenceless babies. RIP to the babies and heartfelt condolences to the families who lost their precious loved ones.
Nearly everyone is saying this, yet nobody has a problem paying people to do the same thing (much worse actually) to defenseless animals. Effing hypocrites.
@@Adelicowsthis isn’t the time and place for this comment. (I’m vegan also)
For fuck sake comparing babies to animals. You should be ashamed
This woman purposely took the lives of tiny little infants for her own sadistic and depraved pleasure. She snuffed those poor little babies out like they were nothing all because she got some kind of sick kick out of it. Thank god she's being locked up for life so she can never harm another baby ever again.
She is obviously sick
Life?? The 14 yr sentence that is call a life sentence? Or her natural life? Because usually almost no one gets term of their natural lives, Harold Shipman was one case but it's rare that happens.
She is sick
@@lilnikki9146 she hasn't been sentenced yet, just found guilty, but previous poster seemed to imply that she had been sentenced to life.
@@alisonjmiller5339 Beverley Allitt has now served all of her minimum sentence of 30 years and she's still inside. A life sentence is not an arbitrary 14 years.
Maybe it’s because I’m an American, but I am SO confused by this hospital system and the process of reporting…Are doctors not allowed to call the police themselves? If the managers ignored them, why didn’t one of the concerned physicians anonymously report her? I’m just blown away that it took 13 deaths, always with the same person present, for action to be taken. Also, why aren’t the managers facing charges? Just curious
It’s actually exactly the same in US hospitals
The doctors were told by senior managers they had to write a sorry letter to Letby for accusing her of such crimes and once that was done the Chief execs told the docs to draw a line under it or there would be further consequences.
The Dr's wanted Letby removed and investigated; only the hospital, or people who are medically trained, can carry out such an investigation.
If they had involved the police earlier, than many of the deaths could be 'explained away', as having a medical cause/natural causes etc.
Medical staff tend to act on actual 'evidence'; which the hospital management, if willing to cooperate sooner ,could have easily provided.
The first complaint was raised by a non-white Dr; and I'm sorry, but IMO, it appears that the management 'closed ranks', in order to protect Letby.
Why so many of you are more angry at the Dr's rather than Letby or the managers, is really strange IMO.
Go to the police with what exactly? A hunch?
And what do you think the police would have said? 'Have you informed management?'.
Only the management had the power to remove Letby from the ward IMMEDIATELY, and they FAILED to do that!
Look at the case of Dr death in the US,
I would have called the Police myself at the risk of loosing my job & or be vilified!
Hospital managers do this all over the world.
I was dismissed when I was sexually assaulted by an orderly.
It's about time the Hospitals took responsibility for assaults on vulnerable patients.
It's always brushed under the blanket.
This is one of the worst cases I've ever seen of managers ignoring Drs gut feelings and pretending everything is OK.
Shame on the managers!!!!
Now they will have to write up new rules or legislation around investigating neonatal deaths and more time writing due to red tape, rather than looking after patients.
Very true Jo - they now have much more power than medical personnel
Years ago I was in hospital for surgery, I was placed on a morphine drip which I asked to have removed because it was making me sick, they all ignored me as well as the Dr, I remember waking up from a disturbed sleep because I felt someone fiddling with the drip, but I was suddenly very tired, I woke up a few minutes later only knew this because I had looked at the clock over the door both times, and I remembered someone had been at the drip I suddenly noticed an air bubble 10 inch’s long, to say I was freaking out was an understatement I rang for the nurse but I shut off the drip there was no way in hell I was letting it go into my vain, the nurse finally came 5 minutes later saw the drip turned off and went to turn it back on, never batted an eye at the huge air pocket, I put my hand over hers and told her to get a needle and syringe and remove the air pocket, she looked my in the eye and told me it would not harm me, I gave a choice either she removers the air pocket or I pull out the drip and she can explain to the Sister and the Dr. She walked off and got what I asked for and she removed it. Drips do not develop air pockets like that ever in all the years I have been on them ever, having her tell me it’s safe was bull, my Mom was a nurse for 20 years when it older her what happened she said I did the right thing, when the Dr came around in the morning I gave him the same choice either remove the drip or I would. He had it removed with 10 minutes of me demanding, 3 hours later my head was finally cleared and I stopped throwing up every few hours. I had been right the morphine had been making me sick, when I checked my charts they had me on 10mg an hour no wonder I was bloody sick all the time as for that nurse I reported her before leaving because I just did not trust her at all, I still have no idea who it was at my beside fiddling with the drip in the first place. Thankfully after being off the drip for 24 hours I was finally allowed home, I was only meant to be there over night after the surgery it took 7 days before I could go home.
When I went to his office for my post-op checkup and to have the rest of the stitches removed I asked him why I had been on such a high dose, he checked his notes and that nurse I did not trust had told him I was complaining of being in massive pain. I told him I had no pain at all and that the morphine had kept my mind so muddled I could not think straight or string two words together. I told him what happened with the air pocket in the drip tube and how big it was, he wanted to know how I knew how long, I told him I place my little finger at one end and my thumb to the other end and it was longer than my hand span which is 7 inches wide. He took a lot of notes if he did anything I don’t know, but she was not there when I visited Gran a few days later she had her leg removed at the same time I had my surgery. I was just glad that nurse was no where near Gran.
To this day I still hate going on drips and I watch them all the time. That was 30 years ago when we still had a matron and sister plus nurses on the wards and before the wards became mixed sex wards.
I have no idea what is going on but hospitals are just not run the way they use to be. Too many oops sorry happen.
@@dawsieThere’s Satanist, mafia, gangsters in the medical field especially in the state of Arizona
Believe in women is the reason why this happened. Glad no one listened to ya.
They need to be charged for negligence.
My heart goes out too all the families ....I cant begin to imagine their pain 😢
hard to get your head around it...those poor parents
Devestating and even more sad if they cant have more children
Don't then.
@@paulrichards6894 not hard.
@@IchaelGill you think killing kids is normal ...WOW
The managers are absolutely responsible. Reputation over lives it’s a disgrace
It’s so hard to hear how these babies died. I can’t imagine the pain the parents feel . I feel sorry for them. This will be a lifetime pain. Lord have mercy.
The negligent managers should be called to account for this. There are baby deaths on their hands. Shocking!
A clear case of corporate manslaughter. The hospital managers should be jailed together with Letby. Birds of a feather, evil incarnate.
When a doctor like Dr. Evans retires it is a serious loss for all. Thankfully he was here to help pin this monster to the wall.
The doctors need to take the nhs to court for distress. 🤢
Poor little babies. I don't know who could do this. Their parents must be destroyed by this. It's beyond belief.
deeply disturbing ,, how do you get over this ? the anger and pain must stay with the mothers forever ,
The police do. Lucy Letby...
Dr Dewi Evans was admonished in a different case by a senior judge for writing a worthless report.
And was the Judge fully medically qualified, so as to be able to make such a call?
@@Brian-om2hhThe judge thought it was a biased report.
Having worked for 20 years in the NHS and seeing layers upon layers of management introduced, none of whom had any experience of working with patients, it became clear it wasnt working. High time management reverted to being controlled by senior medics and reinstate matrons.
Why aren't the managers prosecuted.
If doctors fail, the GMC comes down hard on them.
Who do the managers answer to?
they should be jailed...doctor reckons they cost 5 lives that could have been saved
@@paulrichards6894
It's about time a precedent is set?
The only people above the head nurse are doctors.
Please start an action or referendum for capital punishment. This evil woman should have her own life stopped and not letting the state having to look after her for life
The NHS managers who covered up these tragic events should lose their jobs and not be allowed to be reinstated in the NHS.
This guy is going to go to jail once it's revealed that she's not guilty. Remember it has to be based on beyond reasonable doubt. So how can there be no evidence she did it?
Only circumstantial evidence.
No words. Poor babies😢
NHS Managers KNEW there was no hard evidence i.e. CCTV, of Letby's crimes which made it easy for them to turn a blind eye. The REAL problem here, is the jealousy the NHS Managers have of the Consultants. I have seen it first hand when I was an NHS bank secretary and worked for consultants in various departments. The Managers are super jealous of the talent and skills of the Consultants and treat them like something off the bottom of their shoe and huge power trips telling the clinical staff what to do. Zero respect. Those Managers especially the one who told the consultants to apologise should go to prison for aiding and abetting a murderer and obstruction of a police investigation, which is evident in the poor submission of notes, outlined in this interview. I think she should go to a psychiatric prison until she takes her last breath
I suppose this is old news now, but as a retired doctor Evans is talking crap. Baby D died from pneumonia, which is an infection, Baby E died from a haemmorage. Why were these babies not included in Evan's list of "thus usual things babies die from?". All of Letby's victims were preterm or very low birth weight, which is the two most common causes of death in preterm babies. In all there were 17 deaths in the hospital, up from the usual three. So what happened to the other ten babies that Letby didn't kill? 10 bablies is three times the background rate, what explains these? Air embolism is nearly impossible to diagnose, even at the time. It is impossible to diagnose 7 years later. If your doctor is as certain about you as Evans is about Letby, maybe you should change your doctor!
How often are post mortems over ridden in court? I read something that stated 50% of neonatal deaths are inconclusive post mortems due to their unique physiology.
Sad that they try to cover up, its people's lifes. Thank goodness for this Consultant
Kudos to the interviewer for keeping it together during this interview
I agree, hearing him describe their deaths, would have brought me to tears.
After reading Science on Trial and Dr Richard Gill's blog on the case I conclude that
at best LL had an unfair trial, at worst she is innocent of all charges. She appears to be the victim of a judicial sysyem that is at best inadequate and at worst, corrupt.
Management should go to jail too!
Management should be in prison. Instead they'll just get moved.
totally agree
Feel sorry for parents of lucy letby as they are innocent
Agree
@@lisaperry2392 i wanted so much for her to be innocent but the evidence against her is overwhelming.....if i was innocent i would have been at the verdict screaming my innocence not like her refusing to come up to face the jury,,,you could of course just be a troll but i will give you the benefit of the doubt
I doubt they'll even be moved tbh?
News flash: September 2024
Twenty four expert neonatologists and statisticians, have wrote to the UK Justice minister, voicing their concern regarding the validity of the prosecution evidence. Both Sir David, MP and Nadine Dorries, MP, have also voiced their concerns and investigating the case.
CEO, medical director and staff director of that trust should be ...., not gold plated pensions tories gave them
She should get life with no early release date , shes a murderer and caused untold misery snd upset to countless families who will spend the rest of their lives never forgetting the baby that died at the hands of this evil woman , but i expect there are people ready to jump to her defence and say mental health issues were to blame and avoid her serving any sentence .
There is a mental health issue with this case. To murder babies you have to be “sick in the head.” That must not however exclude anyone found guilty from punishment. She is very sick indeed and the public must be protected from the likes of her. We wait with some anticipation for the sentence in a few days but it is relatively easy to predict.
She won't get back out
@@artsy38 hope not
@@andycapp8843 At last, someone with a brain not purely controlled by emotion! Beverley Allitt... convicted of similar crimes in 1991 and sentenced to a minimum of 30 years... she's still inside.
@@andycapp8843psychopathy isn't a sickness, it's a personality disorder. The individual is aware they're doing wrong, and they know society finds it sickening. The problem is, they cannot feel the same level of empathy. The need for control is stronger. People with genuine mental health problems cannot premeditate murder, they cannot plan a murder with precision, cunning and calculated actions. However, a psychopath does pre plan their murders in advance, in most cases.
Those hospital managers and ceo of the hospital who made the consultants write a apology letter to Lucy should also be brought to court and served justice as well.
Jesus Christ. That's absolutely terrifying. Poor babies and their parents. Condolences from Russia 🙏
That particular manager should be held responsible for her part.
I'm wondering what her family are feeling at this time. The absolute shame and disgrace must be overwhelming.
Thank god for Dewi getting the evidence and stopping this monster
Wow ! Management and other co workers didn’t pinpoint that when she was on duty that they had majority of these babies died! That shocks me !
They did but senior management didn't take them seriously
Agreed with him one hundred percent. Managers must be arrested for failing the protection of babies.
The entire hospital is in fact to blame. They have set this nurse up as a,scapegoat.
@@anncleveland-dunn5944 omg you are saying she has been set up??
Pure EVIL
Oh... there's far worse than her... even in "healthcare".
There needs to be security cameras in all areas of hospitals, care homes for the elderly and child care centres.
No doubt an expensive exercise but what price do you put on someone's life. 😢😢
i agree and would save money in the long run, the amount of compensation to be paid out and the cost of this case is eye watering no doubt
Well said, we have cameras all over the place ,except where they are really needed .
Dr Evans says: "With injection of air unless someone’s sees you doing it then you can’t prove that anything - it would have been difficult to prove that these babies had been placed in harm’s way." How is his untested hypothesis allowed to over-rule the findings of the pathologists who conducted post mortems on six of the babies and found no evidence of foul play?
In Letbys mind SHE was in charge of the babies life or death. That was HER power. This shows up in HER decision to appear for sentencing. I agree with this doctor in all . The TRUST & their management box tickers should hang their head in shame. They must be held accountable. Too interested in protecting the trusts name. How on earth did the trust question the doctors when they reported Letby.
There are no words for what she's done, and I mean none! 😢 It's amazing the people who get so much trust in this world. 💔 Some of the people that work with children and they elders don't even like them. I love children and elders, but I'm not a nurse. 🥺
What a load of incoherent shite. How else are we supposed to care for the young and old without placing our trust in others? If you're such a saint why don't you become one of thousands that aren't psychopathic killers caring for the vulnerable?
As for "no words", well it's obviously depraved and obviously there's some kind of mental illness involved... possibly Munchausen syndrome by proxy.... like Beverley Allitt.
Besides, what about Tony Fauci? He's in healthcare and possibly responsible for over 7... million deaths. Got anything to say about him or are you just gonna stand outside your front door on a Thursday evening and bang some pots?
Does anyone believe Evans didn't know the name Lucy Letby when he started on this case?
In just the few interviews, I’ve watched it seems like although babies were dying the concern TOP MANAGERS were more concerned about the public opinion. The one ☝🏽 doctor who suspected her was forced to continue working with her and apologize to her. She wrote letters asking the other staff to continue working together?? WTH 🤦🏻♀️ Rather than taking the initiative to investigate thoroughly it was a overwhelming sense of cover up so the hospital ratings and perception was their main priority?
Those in charge need to sacked immediately , they will be won’t they , if you can prove a killer you can prove who lied and asked people to hush. I work for the NHS my desk faces a wall, and on the wall is a poster and on the poster, it says whistleblowing blah blah blah. I feel like taking it down and writing What a joke across it
I am a nurse. And I am beyong shock, I am disgusted. This is the most compassioned and caring profession. How can people trust us now? We have enought stress in normal circunstances, imagine from now on. The doubts the suspition, the anger. SHE IS NOT A NURSE SHE IS A PSYCHOPAT KILLER. Keep your eyes and heart open for the rest of us who really care.
MANAGERS =TO JAIL THEY ARE SELF CENTRED ON THEI JOB. NEVER LISTEN CLEARLLY DONT CARE.
Till she takes her last breath.
The management who protected her really need to explain themselves. Telling consultants to apologise on threat of action against them? Outrageous, hopefully the enquiry will recommend changes there.
I’m so angry when something horrendous happens like this that we find these hospitals first reaction is to shut people up, instead of trying to protect their most vulnerable they go into protecting the system instead. When will those in charge of their hospital face prison? We need to start making sure their early reaction of shutting concerns down be held to account. Those who act immediately should be praised, but those like in the case of Letbys Hospital should face charges too. Enough is Enough already!!!