You need to reassess your life if that made you cry laughing for ten minutes, fanboy. Cornette's long history of dragging on women's appearances when his wife is a gross bag of shit is funnier than the quote.
If no Matt Borne, then theres no Road Warriors. And if no Road Warriors, then theres no Doink because that was Hawk's idea for Borne. That means they each inadvertantly created the other like Batman and Joker in the 89 movie.
I understand the grief of losing a parent, but Doink's daughter is delusional and just looking for an outlet to vent her unresolved feelings. Borne was a junkie whose habits unfortunately caught up with him, there was no foul play involved. His GF was far more ignorant than malicious. Could she have saved his life if she reacted better? Possibly, but I certainly don't think she killed him or intentionally let him die
Yeah I get you. I mean, if you looked at the incident in isolation, sure, a normal person would say that is was suspicious. But let's say night in and night out you had this person who got high repeatedly. So much so that you are used to them just sleeping off the effects of whatever drug they took. When would you then decide to call the paramedics?
@@Tim85-y2q The most realistic answer is that she was probably on drugs too and was scared to call the police. She probably just hoped he was having a bad reaction and would come around. Obviously that didn’t happen, she freaked out, and thus the delayed reaction in calling the police. Again, definitely more ignorance than malice IMO
Heel Doink, absolutely amazing. Dude was mysterious, creepy, entertaining, he had badass wrestling skills, and left you wondering what he would do next match. If he was around in the Attitude Era, it would have been awesome. He could have been WWF's version of the Joker. Once they turned him face with Dink, it sucked.
@Chaz4543 judging by Corneys recollection of interacting with Borne in the WWF, I'm guessing the Doink character was turned babyface because of having to recast him with Matt being fired and nobody else could have pulled a heel Doink off like Borne did.
@@chico1680 Borne did cut some babyface promos as Doink though just before he was fired. He was still a bit sinister, like, his gimmick was "Evil clown that pranks heels" or something like that
“We used to call him ‘Krusty the clown’ you know? It’s not like that clown suit got washed much. He’d be sitting at the bar and makeup would still be caked around his ears” -Kevin Nash on Doink
Yesterday was the 10 year anniversary of Matt Borne's passing - crazy how fast time flies. I got to meet him at a convention in 2009 & he was really nice. Bret Hart was at the convention as well & I told them both how much I loved their match at Summerslam 93, that I felt it was really underrated. They both agreed :) RIP Matt Borne.
No need to say "year" if you say "anniversary". This is the 10th anniversary of his passing. Anniversary literally means "yearly commemoration". I'm really baked 🤟
@@biguglyskunk1248You might be too high. You need to indicate the length of time for the anniversary. 10th anniversary of weekly whatever, yearly, century, etc. Or maybe I'm not high enough?🤔 Sheit ...
Brian - "Mick Foley can say anything ... he just smiles" Jim - "Mick can find something good to say about anybody ... he can find the one brief little moment when a disreputable ... repugnant human being actually exhibited some kind of human qualities ... and he'll focus on that ... he's a very wonderful ... wonderful person ... Mick Foley" 🥰
Buzz Sawyer is also qualified to have his own Dark Side episode. Also, if Matt Borne were alive today, he'd probably be getting paid to wrestle someone like Hannibal.
Def qualified but Sawyer never really had any sort of big push in a major promotion. It would basically be the Borne episode 2.0 but with less top level wrestling footage.
Koko seemed a little butt hurt about the race thing. He had every right to be because wrestling was pretty racist however couldn't he talk about JYD's personality
It’s always difficult to watch people go on about how their partner physically abused them and their child, only to end with, “he was really a good person”. I’m not trashing them, it’s just sad to see because it happens so often. A kind of Stockholm syndrome. It’s why those two seem to refuse to put the blame on him for his death and are latching onto hating the other woman for not reacting quick enough.
@@chrismartinez3832 No, somebody who allows themselves to get so out of control that they abuse their family isn't a good person. Manson and Hitler were 'nice sometimes' too. Let's not pretend like drugs were forcing their ways into his body, he chose to do those things and chose to ignore the horrible consequences that his loved ones were enduring because of HIS bad choices. Also there's a lot of addicts who don't abuse anybody but themselves and THEY could be 'good people' with no caveats like 'except when they beat their wife and kids'.
@@chrismartinez3832yah, but that’s not going to count for much if you’re trying to convince other people to look past the abusive garbage. It’s just sad all around really.
Wrestling shows today outside of Wrestlemania and the Royal Rumble are not very interesting. I’m more than likely to listen to Jim and watch Dark Side of The Ring than the wrestling shown on television now.
for as much praise as Borne gets as a wrestler I'm still having difficulty seeing it. his Doink matches mostly consisted of the other guy beating the shit out of him the majority of the match. he got the psychology part, that goes a long way with me. LOL
Both her and the mother came across as the products of abuse. Making excuses for his shitty behaviour and making him out to be more than the downright asshole he really was. He died due to his own actions so no one is to blame but him for that.
@@ChaseNada I didn't interpret it as frog lady killing him. it looked more like she was just totally ignorant to what was going on. negligence. I envisioned this episode as being little else than a collection of Borne's utmost shitbag antics. it didn't disappoint in that regard.
@@mecha2001 His early Doink matches were great, he would alternate between his clown schtick and then stretch his opponent like a rubberband, he was great in his early heel run. Great psychology and great technique. Shame about his personal stuff.
I feel bad for his daughter, but all this episode did was make me realise he was worse than I thought. He didn't just get fired from the WWF, he couldn't last anywhere. Did he have any friends in the wrestling business? Even Mick Foley who is the nicest guy in wrestling couldn't really redeem him. There are no answers to why he was such an asshole either. You can't just put it down to drugs, it sounds like everyone was on drugs in the 80s. Doesn't seem like he was ever accountable for his mistakes or got his shit together either.
I feel sorry for his daughter being in denial. Matt Bourne was a completely out of control drug addict his entire career more or less, and the fact he lived as long as he did was a small miracle.
Yeah I thought the sane thing. Was the step mom perfect. No. But Matt had his demons and had a drug addiction his whole like nearly. It was going to happen, with our without the stepmother around. I mean what do you expect?
I just watched the doc just now and I think people are being too harsh on his daughter. Her mom said in the doc that she talked to him the night before and said he was leaving her and if anything should happen to me to not let it go. She obviously told her daughter that. Did both of you miss that part?
He lived not far from me over in PA. Matt Borne had beef w a guy I knew and came to his house to beat him up. The dude sd "Doink the Clown came to my house to beat my ass!"
That's why he was so effective as Doink. Matt had issues (to say the least) and had demons. I think that's why his portrayal of Doink was so good. He always had that messed up vibe about him. Laughing like a goofball then staring at you like some deranged serial killer before he would start giggling again. He was part Krusty. Part Joker. Part Pennywise (It). Part Killer Klowns from Outer Space, and part John Wayne Gacy.
@@iami3rian394 I thought everyone knew who the Killer Klowns were. Heck every Halloween there is at least 20 kids dressed up as various Klowns from that movie that I see Trick or Treating. Whenever I go to a Halloween party, it seems every other person is dressed up as a Killer Klown. Most people I know have never heard of Superman, Batman, Mickey Mouse but they all know the Killer Klowns. So I just thought it was common knowledge.😋
@@DevilFish69 I don't know where you're pretending to live, but if you DO by chance live in a place where no one has heard of superman, I'd love to know how far south I need to walk to get there, I'll be the hottest man alive. I'm guessing Missouri or Mississippi. Most other people can at least read.
At 15:30 when they're talking about if anyone knew Doink was being portrayed by someone other than Borne, I clearly remember noticing that Doink, all of the sudden, was no longer left-handed.
These family members are bats$$t crazy. They cannot accept reality. A junkie, gone be a junkie, gone be a junkie. As someone who works in icu and has for a long time dealt with many drug overdoses, I 100 percent believe the girlfriend. Family members are always looking for some other reason for death instead of just accepting the now deceased had some demons and made poor coping choices. And I totally get the girlfriend calling a friend before police. Happens very often. Very very often actually. These people are not medical professionals and have no clue what is going on. So you call a friend for advice cause calling 911 leads to questions and attention from police. And if the sick person is fine, you still have police snooping around your house and who knows what questions may be asked or what they might see In your house. That’s life. And don’t give me the well someone is possibly dying crap so do the right thing. Most people are not going to risk messing up their life to protect the life of an addict who is pissing theirs away. People pass up on morals and doing the right thing everyday to protect their own butts. Don’t expect people to put their asses on the line for a junkie who more than likely when they get home from the hospital will immediately get high and overdose again. Nobody wants police around if you have some suspicious stuff going on in your home when the person you are concerned for may possibly have never needed medical attention to begin with. and even if they do need medical attention, will repeat the same behavior a week later .
Yeah, they do seem in denial of just how bad a human Borne was and given Borne was a habitual drug user, she likely thought it was just another episode of him getting high. We'll likely never know. It is very coincidental he called his ex wife and said he was leaving her the night before. Who knows.
@@thesportsguy126 so the hell what. No one is going to jail or getting suspicious thoughts from police for a guy who may have been stealing the meds from a cancer patient and who when home from the hospital will do it again. I would have no trouble sleeping that night if I was her.
I love the cartoon thumbnails for these videos!, seriously, you have a creative team, I could watch video after video with jim voicing his cartoon character in these interviews, with funny animated descriptions of the events discussed!.
Matt Borne was one the first wrestling show that I ever watched. He was one of my favorites as "Big Josh" in the WCW days. I was also a huge fan of the original version Doink, and I remember getting so excited when I realized it was Big Josh under the paint when I was about 10. He was a talented performer, but unfortunately had problems he couldn't escape.
Anyone who hasn't: Look for the matches between Doink the Clown and Mr. Perfect to qualify for the 1993 King of the Ring. Matt Borne and Curt Hennig were both 🔥in those!
@@hasanx8066 Dark Side of the Ring could really build up the Jim Cornette outburst at Kevin Dunn triggering him in the meeting for the Halifax RAW show.
I wouldn’t mind one on jim Cornette. Ill the stories i hear pieces of -the drive through story, slapping martino, breaking falling of the scaffolding, id love to hear them fully fleshed out and from other perspectives than his own.
@@Getwright- I have to think Vice would probably give Cornette his own two hour special ala Vince and Chyna instead, since there is a huge amount of material with Cornette to work with that you'd need to make it movie size.
More than any other episode, this one gave me the biggest impression that the person being highlighted was a deplorable heinous human being. Outside of the Grizzly Smith one for obvious reasons.
"Crush" Bryan Adams needs his own DOTR episode. He was heavy drug user too and very close with Undertaker but beside that I actually know nothing about the man.
25:45 As someone that does work as a 911 calltaker, you would be shocked and scared how many times that happens where instead of calling the police or getting an ambulance, the person that needs help calls a friend who is the one that calls 911.
A year ago I had a cerebral stroke. My first instinct was actually to call my mother, she is a retired nurse and I’ve turned to her for medical arch e before. I remember actually saying yo myself “what are you doing? Call 911!”
I think there's a parallel with the grieving process; the first stage is shock followed by denial. When something bad happens, shock and denial blind us from reason and logic. Perhaps talking to a trusted person not in shock is a reasonable thing to do.
I don’t think it can be understated how, even though their run was brief, the Rat Pack was one of the first heel factions that I can remember holding all the gold in a territory. Unless I’m forgetting another group that came before. DiBiase was North American champion and 1/2 of the Tag Champs with Borne, and Duggan (with TWO Gs!) was the Louisiana Champion. I always considered them a prototype of the Horsemen minus the “stylin’, profilin’, jet-flying’, and limousine ridin’,” of course.
Didn't they also have Skandar Akbar as a manager? I do remember the Rat Pack as a kid and the gorilla speared somebody if I remember correctly. But it was a great angle.
@@sameasme2, If I recall correctly, DiBiase started cozying up to Akbar at one point for help, which led to Duggan eventually turning babyface because “U.S.A., U.S.A.!”
@@michaelhauser6440As far as Michael’s goes I wasn’t a huge fan but he was 100 times better worker than Matt Borne! Cornette hates Michael’s and i guarantee he would agree!
I thought it was okay. It was like the Warrior episode in that they got the family so they wanted to focus on his personal life, but then you had this weird dichotomy where his family is talking about what a great guy he was sober and then every wrestler being like “Yeah, he was a lunatic.” I also felt like they deliberately avoided the Georgia incident to not step on any toes.
@@pleaseshutup7053Basically he was accused of assaulting an underage fan when he and Arn Anderson were about to receive a tag push. He skipped town and was replaced by the Road Warriors
@@pleaseshutup7053apparently statutory r**e with a young girl but crazy thing is can't find anything about that really so it seems like it's been covered up a lot or maybe not enough evidence to prove that it happened but idk
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz don’t know they didn’t tell that story sounds hilarious but who was there that they interviewed could have told that story the road warriors are dead and arn doesn’t do interviews
Some time back between 2009 and 2012 I remember being in the Oak Grove part of Milwaukie, Oregon and there was a bartender that was so upset about the news coming out about Matt Bourne because she was either married to him or dated him at one point and she swore people were lying about him. It was a crazy interaction meeting her. I've been trying to find the email I wrote to Jason Solomon back then, which he dismissed at the time because what are the chances one of his listeners casually came across someone affiliated with Matt Bourne but here we are. I need to watch the documentary to see if she was featured, I kinda wonder if she was the frog lady because she was kinda toad-like.
He was a great technical wrestler. His version of Doink is one of the greatest gimmicks in wrestling history. I was there for it and remember it very well. WWE had so many bad gimmicks and guys who couldn't wrestle that Doink stood out with his in ring work as well as his character work. I so wanted him to stick around in ECW because his Bourne Again gimmick was REALLY damn good. I met him at a wrestling convention in the early 2000's and he was a very nice man. When he talked to me about his life growing up it sounded like he had been abused as a kid and never got help for it. I am also a childhood abuse survivor. I am not condoning any of the things he did as a human being but it was so blatantly obvious he needed real therapy and help. He just never got it. Memory eternal.
My favorite part was Foley just laughing at the Hacksaw Matt Shoot lol I also liked Tom Prichard’s comment about us all having demons. It’s true man it’s easy to criticize but we all have our vices and proclivities
Did you seriously just generalize being a junkie and beating women. Hate to break it you, very few humans have those demons. And if you can't handle your demons, you're a very weak human being
Dr. Tom was right about that. It's really what those demons are and how we deal with them. I don't really understand why most have some measure of control, but a small part of the population seem to let them run out of control.
I thought that Matt Borne was underrated throughout his career. He played several different characters well in different promotions/territories and did the best with what he was given. He was never going to be a "face of a promotion" but he was usually a useful hand who did well putting others over and could work singles and tag team wrestling equally effective.
Doink The Clown is one if the most under baked ideas in wrestling. Look at clowns in pop culture and how effective they are. There's like a half dozen versions of just The Joker that people all adore. Then there's Pennywise. Like, the things you could have done with Doink are basically limitless.
LOL the statement "Yeah you saw him in the stands and 'what the fuck is that clown doing up there?" comes across as so confused, yet so genuine, and so hilarious all at the same time. I mean really, where else but wrestling can a person find themselves asking "what the fuck is that clown doing up there"?
After watching this episode of Dark side of the ring is this: Connie didn't kill Matt Borne on purpose. She was too stupid to realize he was dying of an OD. And yes, aside from Borne's daughter and Mick Foley, there weren't too many people in this episode that came across as likeable.
The Evil Clown had untapped potential. Fast forward into the era when merch sales became a major player and Doink the Clown T-shirts (hats, hoodies, etc.) woulda probably rung up surprise numbers like "Happy Rusev Day".
I remember meeting him March 2013 not realizing as a teen that he had passed a couple months after. But there's a bar across from the shrine mosque in Springfield Missouri. A company called tcw was in town, he had set up shop with WWE action figures t-shirts things of that such and only autographing "if you buy something kid" good memory in my opinion
Matt Borne Doink was fantastic. Saw him live a few times, and he was so good working the people at ringside. The other Doink’s never worked the character like that.
I remember Borne and Arn on Georgia WTBS and Borne had a big piece of square white tape on his bottom lip and to his chin. They never acknowledged it or said anything about it. I imagine this was from the Blair fight. Blair must have bit him enough to need a bunch of stitches.
Heel doink was one of those characters as a kid I actually really liked. If he had gotten the personal demons under control, and if WWE put their machine behind him the way they did something like Gold dust... Who knows what would have happened with that character. It was really cool with the music and just the creepy clown vibe and the fact the guy could wrestle pretty decent didn't hurt either.
That was the problem. WWF wanted to push him to the hills. He was a 100% Vince idea and would of been pushed if he was great or poop.. It was the backstage garb he pulled that stopped it. Nothing to do with WWF.. A shame as he was awesome. I'm 45 and he is exactly my era.
I remember shortly after the Duggan incident in 2010, Borne had his own 'Who's Slamming Who?' show and spoke about it in some detail. His version of events (which were very biased to the point of being absurd) started in Applebee's where he said Duggan was getting drunk before the match. And of course, Matt did no wrong at all....
Foley said it that you have to try and not like Jim Duggan. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Jim(other than his work wasn't great lol)
@@chico1680 I'm guessing Steve had an issue dropping the US Title to him in WCW, which is very understandable but IIRC that wasn't a knock on Duggan the man, just at that point Steve was a rising star while Jim was declining as a draw so it made 0 sense for Jim to beat Steve then.
We partied with Matt in Ellwood in the late 90’s and early 2000’s while we tried to get FNW in Pittsburgh up with Dave (Tarantula). I can confirm that Matt had a large scar on his lower lip and he never told us what caused it. We now assume it was the bar fight mentioned in the show. Sabu worked with Matt briefly right after 9-11.
It wasn't until they brought in Dink that I really saw enough of Doink to realize they had changed the guy behind the makeup. I'm pretty sure I saw Matt Borne once and Ray Apollo once at house shows in Philly. It's the sort of thing that if Doink were higher up the card, everyone would have noticed the day they switched. The gimmick was better with Matt Borne, but it was obviously unsustainable with someone that chaotic.
What Dark Side episodes always teach me: Dont do pills, dont do cocaine, and dont work for Vince Russo
........and DO NOT become a wrestler.
Nailed it
Hey..hey..hey...let's be fair... cocaine and pain pills rock!
3 words of advice everyone should live by.
I think you meant to say "shit stain."
I love it when it takes 20+ minutes for the artwork to make sense
Same 🤡
I knew about Jim’s missing eye, but the frog in a wig surprised me 😂
"You can get warts from that shit"
"So here's this drunken drug addict and this fuckin frog...."
I laughed so hard I cried for 10 minutes
I'm crying right now. That shit was funny
“You can get warts from that sh**”
You need to reassess your life if that made you cry laughing for ten minutes, fanboy. Cornette's long history of dragging on women's appearances when his wife is a gross bag of shit is funnier than the quote.
@DMB19909 Maryse does look like a frog now that I think about it lol
lol I thought she was kind of sweet. Not attractive, but I believe her story.
If no Matt Borne, then theres no Road Warriors. And if no Road Warriors, then theres no Doink because that was Hawk's idea for Borne. That means they each inadvertantly created the other like Batman and Joker in the 89 movie.
Best comment here
Superb comment.
"I made you, you made me first"
Greatest Batman movie of all time
You're right!!
The funniest part was that woman who said Everyone else who dated him was a gold digger lol
Lol
I cracked up when Cornette was like “what money?”
I Laughed at That When I Watched It Too 😂😂😂😂
She’s a clown 😊
Lol yeah not her but every girl before and after her.
"She's sittin' there with her frog fuckin' face..." I feel bad, but I almost died laughing from this.
Seediest Dark Side to date.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There's nothing scarier than a clown that knows submission holds.
Vs a man with pigtails, then you got something.
"Cause she's sittin there with her frog fuckin face" OMG JIM LMFAO
Lol 23:31 “Hey it’s me! It’s Matt Borne. How ya doin, do you have a place to live?” 😂😂
That cracked me up
I understand the grief of losing a parent, but Doink's daughter is delusional and just looking for an outlet to vent her unresolved feelings. Borne was a junkie whose habits unfortunately caught up with him, there was no foul play involved. His GF was far more ignorant than malicious. Could she have saved his life if she reacted better? Possibly, but I certainly don't think she killed him or intentionally let him die
As John shaft once said, “ a junkie gone be a junkie, gone be a junkie “.
Yeah I get you. I mean, if you looked at the incident in isolation, sure, a normal person would say that is was suspicious.
But let's say night in and night out you had this person who got high repeatedly. So much so that you are used to them just sleeping off the effects of whatever drug they took. When would you then decide to call the paramedics?
Well, her actions and the death of Doink says otherwise. She lied about the time and was obviously caught in her BS.
I'm not saying there was foul play, but his GF definitely didn't act like a normal person would in that situation IMHO.
@@Tim85-y2q The most realistic answer is that she was probably on drugs too and was scared to call the police. She probably just hoped he was having a bad reaction and would come around. Obviously that didn’t happen, she freaked out, and thus the delayed reaction in calling the police. Again, definitely more ignorance than malice IMO
Jim going in on this poor frog-faced lady was absolutely savage
And absolutely perfectly described lol.
he said what I was kind of thinking. meaning I couldn't articulate it as her being a frog, because I didn't want to be a total dick about it.
Considering Jim is married to a water buffalo, I don't think he should be the one calling someone a frog 😂
@@mecha2001 I was thinking that Doink kissed the Miz🥴😂🤣
@@brandonizaguirre2963 Harley's not that big 🐕
The “frog face” discussion has me roaring with laughter.
That’s good shit, pal.
The frog lady stuff was peak Cornette.
When jim started telling the frog tale i just lost it 😂😂😂
Can you imagine what Corby's mother looked like? Probably made Kathy Bates in Misery look like Jennifer Lawrence.
Heel Doink, absolutely amazing. Dude was mysterious, creepy, entertaining, he had badass wrestling skills, and left you wondering what he would do next match. If he was around in the Attitude Era, it would have been awesome. He could have been WWF's version of the Joker. Once they turned him face with Dink, it sucked.
I dont know who was responsible for turning him face but if it was Vince's idea just so they could sell more merch I wouldnt be shocked.
@Chaz4543 judging by Corneys recollection of interacting with Borne in the WWF, I'm guessing the Doink character was turned babyface because of having to recast him with Matt being fired and nobody else could have pulled a heel Doink off like Borne did.
that would have been retarded.
And his heel theme is still great
@@chico1680 Borne did cut some babyface promos as Doink though just before he was fired. He was still a bit sinister, like, his gimmick was "Evil clown that pranks heels" or something like that
“We used to call him ‘Krusty the clown’ you know? It’s not like that clown suit got washed much. He’d be sitting at the bar and makeup would still be caked around his ears”
-Kevin Nash on Doink
Sound like a scene from 'Shakes the Clown'
Doink was definitely a cross between Krusty the Clown and Roddy Piper.
Nash is just mad Borne called him out on the f word, FAKE.
Kevin Nash was not even in the the WWF at that time....
@@Smith-wk6pbwhat you talking about about yes he was… Nash 1st WWE stint was 93-96. Doing was 92-97.
Yesterday was the 10 year anniversary of Matt Borne's passing - crazy how fast time flies. I got to meet him at a convention in 2009 & he was really nice. Bret Hart was at the convention as well & I told them both how much I loved their match at Summerslam 93, that I felt it was really underrated. They both agreed :) RIP Matt Borne.
He seemed like a genuinely shitty person from what he did
Yes, this is a very forgotten about match they had at SS 1993. But one of my favorites.
No need to say "year" if you say "anniversary". This is the 10th anniversary of his passing.
Anniversary literally means "yearly commemoration".
I'm really baked 🤟
@@biguglyskunk1248You might be too high. You need to indicate the length of time for the anniversary. 10th anniversary of weekly whatever, yearly, century, etc. Or maybe I'm not high enough?🤔 Sheit ...
@@biguglyskunk1248🙄🙄🙄🙄
As a Philadelphian who loves hearing stories about the maniacs here, I've always been a fan of, "the clown is down!"
That line is funny. So's time to get down with the clown.😃😄😆 I like your profile picture.🖤
@@patrickfahey7159 fellow Sukeban Deka fan, are we?
Brian - "Mick Foley can say anything ... he just smiles"
Jim - "Mick can find something good to say about anybody ... he can find the one brief little moment when a disreputable ... repugnant human being actually exhibited some kind of human qualities ... and he'll focus on that ... he's a very wonderful ... wonderful person ... Mick Foley" 🥰
Buzz Sawyer is also qualified to have his own Dark Side episode. Also, if Matt Borne were alive today, he'd probably be getting paid to wrestle someone like Hannibal.
"Why'd you hit me like a fuckin' mark?"
"Why'd you hit ME like I'm a fucking mark, motherfucker?!?"
Huuuuuuuu, blooooooood
Def qualified but Sawyer never really had any sort of big push in a major promotion. It would basically be the Borne episode 2.0 but with less top level wrestling footage.
Followed by a shoot video in which Hannibal accuses Doink of being a degenerate drug addict who stole money from him.
Buzz was a huge piece of shit in his own level. They’d have to do a two parter on what a bastard he was.
The JYD episode was outstanding, Tony Atlas, Koko B Ware and JYD nephew were all great. Looking forward to that review
Nothing new
Yeah, I loved JYD as a kid who seemed equally at home in the realistic Mid South as the cartoonish WWF. Truly a great talent.
That episode was damn good. I didn't know much about JYD prior to his WWF run.
Koko seemed a little butt hurt about the race thing. He had every right to be because wrestling was pretty racist however couldn't he talk about JYD's personality
Yeah it was great,Tony Atlas is always really good on these
The women Matt was hanging with really did show the crazy life he led outside of the ropes. Their interviews were so nuts.
The sheer number of them as well.
It’s always difficult to watch people go on about how their partner physically abused them and their child, only to end with, “he was really a good person”.
I’m not trashing them, it’s just sad to see because it happens so often. A kind of Stockholm syndrome. It’s why those two seem to refuse to put the blame on him for his death and are latching onto hating the other woman for not reacting quick enough.
Both can be true. You can be an abusive ass as an addict and a good person sober. He just couldn't stay sober
@@chrismartinez3832 No, somebody who allows themselves to get so out of control that they abuse their family isn't a good person. Manson and Hitler were 'nice sometimes' too. Let's not pretend like drugs were forcing their ways into his body, he chose to do those things and chose to ignore the horrible consequences that his loved ones were enduring because of HIS bad choices. Also there's a lot of addicts who don't abuse anybody but themselves and THEY could be 'good people' with no caveats like 'except when they beat their wife and kids'.
That is sad and they end up finding someone similar to their dad.
@@chrismartinez3832yah, but that’s not going to count for much if you’re trying to convince other people to look past the abusive garbage. It’s just sad all around really.
We saw that a bit with Dynamite Kid's ex too (either that or she was trying to be diplomatic for her kids sake)
The behind the scenes lore of wrestling is better than the actual shows 😂
Imagine a Netflix series based on Jim's career.
I'd rather watch shoot interviews than the TVs and most PPVs any day. sidenote: Travis' art is god tier this time LOL
@mecha2001 I did that a few years ago. Untill it got to the point I watched every shoot interview on UA-cam and couldn't find anymore new ones. Lol
Wrestling shows today outside of Wrestlemania and the Royal Rumble are not very interesting. I’m more than likely to listen to Jim and watch Dark Side of The Ring than the wrestling shown on television now.
you nailed it, bro, i love watching this stuff!
The description of Matt Borne’s last moments was really disturbing.
The fact that his wife did nothing. She definitely wanted him to die
@@pleaseshutup7053she was probably drunk/pilled up too. Or maybe was afraid to call the 911 because there were drugs in the house
@@extereo none of these things are a valid excuse if you are a junkie yourself you can identify an OD. She wanted him to die
The piece of shit was probably abusing her. He abused his coworkers and wives. You reap what you sow
@@pleaseshutup7053junkies also tend to dump their friends on the side of the road when they are oding
She probably just panicked
I used to hate Jim cornette but now I couldn't wait til he did this because I new he would. Best commentary ever !!!
Literally everyone in his life comes across as crazy and unhinged.
I would assume you’d have to be to spend any level of time around Matt Borne on purpose. 😂
My favorite part of the episode was when his daughter was like "No disrespect to Ricky Steamboat, but my dad was really good."
Yeah, a real eye rolling moment. I mean, i get it, it's your dad but that was just so ridiculous.
for as much praise as Borne gets as a wrestler I'm still having difficulty seeing it. his Doink matches mostly consisted of the other guy beating the shit out of him the majority of the match. he got the psychology part, that goes a long way with me. LOL
Both her and the mother came across as the products of abuse. Making excuses for his shitty behaviour and making him out to be more than the downright asshole he really was.
He died due to his own actions so no one is to blame but him for that.
@@ChaseNada I didn't interpret it as frog lady killing him. it looked more like she was just totally ignorant to what was going on. negligence. I envisioned this episode as being little else than a collection of Borne's utmost shitbag antics. it didn't disappoint in that regard.
@@mecha2001 His early Doink matches were great, he would alternate between his clown schtick and then stretch his opponent like a rubberband, he was great in his early heel run. Great psychology and great technique. Shame about his personal stuff.
Travis is a beast with his artwork. This is so great and very detailed.
I feel bad for his daughter, but all this episode did was make me realise he was worse than I thought. He didn't just get fired from the WWF, he couldn't last anywhere.
Did he have any friends in the wrestling business? Even Mick Foley who is the nicest guy in wrestling couldn't really redeem him. There are no answers to why he was such an asshole either. You can't just put it down to drugs, it sounds like everyone was on drugs in the 80s. Doesn't seem like he was ever accountable for his mistakes or got his shit together either.
Agreed. In fact, this episode made me not like Matt Bourne at all and didn’t have any sympathy towards him.
I feel sorry for his daughter being in denial. Matt Bourne was a completely out of control drug addict his entire career more or less, and the fact he lived as long as he did was a small miracle.
Yeah I thought the sane thing. Was the step mom perfect. No.
But Matt had his demons and had a drug addiction his whole like nearly.
It was going to happen, with our without the stepmother around. I mean what do you expect?
I just watched the doc just now and I think people are being too harsh on his daughter. Her mom said in the doc that she talked to him the night before and said he was leaving her and if anything should happen to me to not let it go. She obviously told her daughter that.
Did both of you miss that part?
He lived not far from me over in PA. Matt Borne had beef w a guy I knew and came to his house to beat him up. The dude sd "Doink the Clown came to my house to beat my ass!"
Im from Youngstown Ohio too...was shocked to learn he lived in Elwood City.
13:38 "This was not a wrestling documentary. It was a documentary about this prick". 😂😂 Haha. Jim's so funny.
"You wanna work? Or you wanna fight?!"
- Doink
(when shooting on Hacksaw)
That's why he was so effective as Doink. Matt had issues (to say the least) and had demons. I think that's why his portrayal of Doink was so good. He always had that messed up vibe about him. Laughing like a goofball then staring at you like some deranged serial killer before he would start giggling again. He was part Krusty. Part Joker. Part Pennywise (It). Part Killer Klowns from Outer Space, and part John Wayne Gacy.
Couldn't put it better than that.
You felt the need to clarify who pennywise is, but not Killer Klowns?
Come on, dude.
I was thinking the same - that‘s what made it so good.
Shame on him for all the suffer his family had to endure because of his demons and addictions.
@@iami3rian394 I thought everyone knew who the Killer Klowns were. Heck every Halloween there is at least 20 kids dressed up as various Klowns from that movie that I see Trick or Treating. Whenever I go to a Halloween party, it seems every other person is dressed up as a Killer Klown. Most people I know have never heard of Superman, Batman, Mickey Mouse but they all know the Killer Klowns. So I just thought it was common knowledge.😋
@@DevilFish69 I don't know where you're pretending to live, but if you DO by chance live in a place where no one has heard of superman, I'd love to know how far south I need to walk to get there, I'll be the hottest man alive.
I'm guessing Missouri or Mississippi.
Most other people can at least read.
At 15:30 when they're talking about if anyone knew Doink was being portrayed by someone other than Borne, I clearly remember noticing that Doink, all of the sudden, was no longer left-handed.
These family members are bats$$t crazy. They cannot accept reality. A junkie, gone be a junkie, gone be a junkie. As someone who works in icu and has for a long time dealt with many drug overdoses, I 100 percent believe the girlfriend. Family members are always looking for some other reason for death instead of just accepting the now deceased had some demons and made poor coping choices. And I totally get the girlfriend calling a friend before police. Happens very often. Very very often actually. These people are not medical professionals and have no clue what is going on. So you call a friend for advice cause calling 911 leads to questions and attention from police. And if the sick person is fine, you still have police snooping around your house and who knows what questions may be asked or what they might see In your house. That’s life. And don’t give me the well someone is possibly dying crap so do the right thing. Most people are not going to risk messing up their life to protect the life of an addict who is pissing theirs away. People pass up on morals and doing the right thing everyday to protect their own butts. Don’t expect people to put their asses on the line for a junkie who more than likely when they get home from the hospital will immediately get high and overdose again. Nobody wants police around if you have some suspicious stuff going on in your home when the person you are concerned for may possibly have never needed medical attention to begin with. and even if they do need medical attention, will repeat the same behavior a week later .
Yeah, they do seem in denial of just how bad a human Borne was and given Borne was a habitual drug user, she likely thought it was just another episode of him getting high.
We'll likely never know. It is very coincidental he called his ex wife and said he was leaving her the night before. Who knows.
@@mattm7798 true on all points
Still negligence
@@thesportsguy126 so the hell what. No one is going to jail or getting suspicious thoughts from police for a guy who may have been stealing the meds from a cancer patient and who when home from the hospital will do it again. I would have no trouble sleeping that night if I was her.
@mattm7798 I don't believe the ex wife about that phone call.
Arn Anderson has shared his first hand story of witnessing the fight w B Brian Blair. That's who Brian was trying to remember.
"There is no Road Warriors without Matt Borne being a derelict". Hysterical.
I love the cartoon thumbnails for these videos!, seriously, you have a creative team, I could watch video after video with jim voicing his cartoon character in these interviews, with funny animated descriptions of the events discussed!.
I lost my shit when he started describing the frog lady 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't forget the Heath Ledger version of Doing the clown in the Indy circuit.
Matt Borne was one the first wrestling show that I ever watched. He was one of my favorites as "Big Josh" in the WCW days. I was also a huge fan of the original version Doink, and I remember getting so excited when I realized it was Big Josh under the paint when I was about 10. He was a talented performer, but unfortunately had problems he couldn't escape.
Anyone who hasn't: Look for the matches between Doink the Clown and Mr. Perfect to qualify for the 1993 King of the Ring. Matt Borne and Curt Hennig were both 🔥in those!
I love Jim Cornette never changes his attitude towards dead people or alive. Bro isn't fake on how he feels toward people who are bad in real life.
Doink in ECW was an amazing gimmick
Agreed. Borne Again had potential. Shame that didn't work out.
@@justint8635drugs, man
@@Charsi_Escobar*laughs in new jack
@@harveycryst222 *mustafa in the corner with his pencil shavings 💀
@@Charsi_Escobar no one left ECW because of drugs. What are you talking about
Could we get a Dark Side of the Ring episode on Kevin Dunn or Dave Meltzer? I'm sure Jim Cornette would want to participate in that.
And that's exactly why we ain't gettin' it. Too much like right lol.
@@hasanx8066 Dark Side of the Ring could really build up the Jim Cornette outburst at Kevin Dunn triggering him in the meeting for the Halifax RAW show.
I wouldn’t mind one on jim Cornette. Ill the stories i hear pieces of -the drive through story, slapping martino, breaking falling of the scaffolding, id love to hear them fully fleshed out and from other perspectives than his own.
Melzer is just some jackoff mark, no one is gonna watch an episode about him.
@@Getwright- I have to think Vice would probably give Cornette his own two hour special ala Vince and Chyna instead, since there is a huge amount of material with Cornette to work with that you'd need to make it movie size.
As someone born and raised and still living in Ellwood City, it was cool to finally hear about our small-town on TV.
More than any other episode, this one gave me the biggest impression that the person being highlighted was a deplorable heinous human being. Outside of the Grizzly Smith one for obvious reasons.
Drugs got him
Bourne was a saint compared to someone like Grizzly
@@Smokey1419 Shit, Chris Benoit was a saint compared to Grizzly Smith.
Ugh, the Grizzly one where Robin basically takes the child away from her dad was chilling.
I can’t even watch that one again.
"Crush" Bryan Adams needs his own DOTR episode. He was heavy drug user too and very close with Undertaker but beside that I actually know nothing about the man.
Crush was popular in the locker room, though.
Crush's sister was married to Steven Dunn/Doll.
25:45 As someone that does work as a 911 calltaker, you would be shocked and scared how many times that happens where instead of calling the police or getting an ambulance, the person that needs help calls a friend who is the one that calls 911.
A year ago I had a cerebral stroke. My first instinct was actually to call my mother, she is a retired nurse and I’ve turned to her for medical arch e before. I remember actually saying yo myself “what are you doing? Call 911!”
I think there's a parallel with the grieving process; the first stage is shock followed by denial. When something bad happens, shock and denial blind us from reason and logic. Perhaps talking to a trusted person not in shock is a reasonable thing to do.
I don’t think it can be understated how, even though their run was brief, the Rat Pack was one of the first heel factions that I can remember holding all the gold in a territory. Unless I’m forgetting another group that came before. DiBiase was North American champion and 1/2 of the Tag Champs with Borne, and Duggan (with TWO Gs!) was the Louisiana Champion. I always considered them a prototype of the Horsemen minus the “stylin’, profilin’, jet-flying’, and limousine ridin’,” of course.
Didn't they also have Skandar Akbar as a manager? I do remember the Rat Pack as a kid and the gorilla speared somebody if I remember correctly. But it was a great angle.
@@sameasme2, If I recall correctly, DiBiase started cozying up to Akbar at one point for help, which led to Duggan eventually turning babyface because “U.S.A., U.S.A.!”
I'll never forget his program w crush in 93 , hitting him w the fake arm cast thing. My 7yearold self thought he was really hurt
When his daughter said he was better than Ricky Steamboat it made me wonder if brain damage is hereditary!
Well that is her father, so of course she will say that. That is good when your kids look up to you like that
Doinks work was more realistic, vicious, and psychological
@@michaelhauser6440 said no one ever!
@@darthtaz408 It’s cool if you like flamboyantly fake wrestling. You probably like Shawn Michaels as well
@@michaelhauser6440As far as Michael’s goes I wasn’t a huge fan but he was 100 times better worker than Matt Borne! Cornette hates Michael’s and i guarantee he would agree!
One of my first memories of wrestling was my brother telling me its a different Doink
Jim's comparison of that chick & a Frog in a blonde wig is dead fucking on!! 😂😂
Mick Foley might have to do Jim Cornette's eulogy... 😂😂😂😂
I need Jim to just recite fairy tales to kids from memory.
Trailer park trash comes to mind after watching this dark side of the ring episode! Sadly!
I thought it was okay. It was like the Warrior episode in that they got the family so they wanted to focus on his personal life, but then you had this weird dichotomy where his family is talking about what a great guy he was sober and then every wrestler being like “Yeah, he was a lunatic.” I also felt like they deliberately avoided the Georgia incident to not step on any toes.
What was the Georgia incident?
@@pleaseshutup7053Basically he was accused of assaulting an underage fan when he and Arn Anderson were about to receive a tag push. He skipped town and was replaced by the Road Warriors
@@pleaseshutup7053apparently statutory r**e with a young girl but crazy thing is can't find anything about that really so it seems like it's been covered up a lot or maybe not enough evidence to prove that it happened but idk
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz don’t know they didn’t tell that story sounds hilarious but who was there that they interviewed could have told that story the road warriors are dead and arn doesn’t do interviews
@@pleaseshutup7053 Hilarious?
Great episode and review here. Very funny both Jim and Brian.
Some time back between 2009 and 2012 I remember being in the Oak Grove part of Milwaukie, Oregon and there was a bartender that was so upset about the news coming out about Matt Bourne because she was either married to him or dated him at one point and she swore people were lying about him. It was a crazy interaction meeting her. I've been trying to find the email I wrote to Jason Solomon back then, which he dismissed at the time because what are the chances one of his listeners casually came across someone affiliated with Matt Bourne but here we are. I need to watch the documentary to see if she was featured, I kinda wonder if she was the frog lady because she was kinda toad-like.
Did you watch it yet?
"Obviously not your dentist" - Kevin Nash
I found the thumbnail confusing until Jim started tearing into nurse Frog, now the thumbnail has me in absolute hysterics
This artwork is the best one ever for Jim and Brian!
He was a great technical wrestler. His version of Doink is one of the greatest gimmicks in wrestling history. I was there for it and remember it very well. WWE had so many bad gimmicks and guys who couldn't wrestle that Doink stood out with his in ring work as well as his character work. I so wanted him to stick around in ECW because his Bourne Again gimmick was REALLY damn good.
I met him at a wrestling convention in the early 2000's and he was a very nice man. When he talked to me about his life growing up it sounded like he had been abused as a kid and never got help for it. I am also a childhood abuse survivor. I am not condoning any of the things he did as a human being but it was so blatantly obvious he needed real therapy and help. He just never got it. Memory eternal.
Everybody remembers Hacksaw Jim Duggan and his Tuba Ford.
Borne was a known pedophile and actually ended up fleeing a territory because he was caught with a 12 year old girl.
I beg your pardon???
@@Bazzeboy Cornette has mentioned it a few times
@@TsunamiSwami He was never convicted though? Yet quite disturbing he being caught with a minor, that 's for sure...
@@Bazzeboy this was back during the territory days in the south. I don't think the issue was ever pressed
@@TsunamiSwami That's why Lawler has never appeared in front of a judge, I presume? Them Southerners yet...
My favorite part was Foley just laughing at the Hacksaw Matt Shoot lol
I also liked Tom Prichard’s comment about us all having demons. It’s true man it’s easy to criticize but we all have our vices and proclivities
Let's not lump in wife beaters with non-wife beaters. Please.
Did you seriously just generalize being a junkie and beating women. Hate to break it you, very few humans have those demons. And if you can't handle your demons, you're a very weak human being
@@ryanjacobson2508 say that again without crying.
Dr. Tom was right about that. It's really what those demons are and how we deal with them. I don't really understand why most have some measure of control, but a small part of the population seem to let them run out of control.
"You can get fucking warts from that shit" 😭😭
I never knew when i hated jim as a kid that i would love him so much as an adult🤣🤣
the "frog" is one reason to actually judge a book by its cover, she had "yikes" written all over her, the daughter seemed the most normal
It's funny how Jim can see through certain people's wrestling stories but then be oblivious to others
I thought that Matt Borne was underrated throughout his career. He played several different characters well in different promotions/territories and did the best with what he was given. He was never going to be a "face of a promotion" but he was usually a useful hand who did well putting others over and could work singles and tag team wrestling equally effective.
"cause she's sitting there with her frog fucking face" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Doink The Clown is one if the most under baked ideas in wrestling. Look at clowns in pop culture and how effective they are. There's like a half dozen versions of just The Joker that people all adore. Then there's Pennywise. Like, the things you could have done with Doink are basically limitless.
The funniest part was when he tried to shoot with Hacksaw at the small indy show and then just bounced.
LOL the statement "Yeah you saw him in the stands and 'what the fuck is that clown doing up there?" comes across as so confused, yet so genuine, and so hilarious all at the same time. I mean really, where else but wrestling can a person find themselves asking "what the fuck is that clown doing up there"?
Damn Jim, did you really have to go in on the frog lady like that, I know she may or may not have killed doink but still 😂💀
Doink was the OG Dr. Rockso, just without the rock and roll
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
After watching this episode of Dark side of the ring is this: Connie didn't kill Matt Borne on purpose. She was too stupid to realize he was dying of an OD. And yes, aside from Borne's daughter and Mick Foley, there weren't too many people in this episode that came across as likeable.
Can't believe it's been 10 years since he passed away. RIP The true Doink The Clown
I love how Corny pronounces "two-bih-four"
The Evil Clown had untapped potential. Fast forward into the era when merch sales became a major player and Doink the Clown T-shirts (hats, hoodies, etc.) woulda probably rung up surprise numbers like "Happy Rusev Day".
I remember meeting him March 2013 not realizing as a teen that he had passed a couple months after. But there's a bar across from the shrine mosque in Springfield Missouri. A company called tcw was in town, he had set up shop with WWE action figures t-shirts things of that such and only autographing "if you buy something kid" good memory in my opinion
As a young teenager had trampoline accident broke my orbital socket believe me it sucks
I believe you!
Matt Borne Doink was fantastic. Saw him live a few times, and he was so good working the people at ringside. The other Doink’s never worked the character like that.
I remember Borne and Arn on Georgia WTBS and Borne had a big piece of square white tape on his bottom lip and to his chin. They never acknowledged it or said anything about it. I imagine this was from the Blair fight. Blair must have bit him enough to need a bunch of stitches.
You’re killing me with the frog face reference 😂😂😂
What is it with wrestlers always going for peoples eyeballs?
Heel doink was one of those characters as a kid I actually really liked. If he had gotten the personal demons under control, and if WWE put their machine behind him the way they did something like Gold dust... Who knows what would have happened with that character. It was really cool with the music and just the creepy clown vibe and the fact the guy could wrestle pretty decent didn't hurt either.
That was the problem. WWF wanted to push him to the hills. He was a 100% Vince idea and would of been pushed if he was great or poop..
It was the backstage garb he pulled that stopped it.
Nothing to do with WWF.. A shame as he was awesome.
I'm 45 and he is exactly my era.
I believe Dr. Death and Nurse Kratchet were in USWA around the time when Eric Embry and Richard Lee's Moondogs were the top heels.
For 22 minutes I'm staring at this frog wondering what the hell is it there for? Hilarious.
I remember shortly after the Duggan incident in 2010, Borne had his own 'Who's Slamming Who?' show and spoke about it in some detail.
His version of events (which were very biased to the point of being absurd) started in Applebee's where he said Duggan was getting drunk before the match. And of course, Matt did no wrong at all....
Foley said it that you have to try and not like Jim Duggan. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Jim(other than his work wasn't great lol)
@@mattm7798Maybe Steve Austin. But most have nothing but love and respect for ol Hacksaw Duggan
@@chico1680 I'm guessing Steve had an issue dropping the US Title to him in WCW, which is very understandable but IIRC that wasn't a knock on Duggan the man, just at that point Steve was a rising star while Jim was declining as a draw so it made 0 sense for Jim to beat Steve then.
@@mattm7798I think you're right. I'm sure the two of them could sit down and have a beer and cool with each other
We partied with Matt in Ellwood in the late 90’s and early 2000’s while we tried to get FNW in Pittsburgh up with Dave (Tarantula). I can confirm that Matt had a large scar on his lower lip and he never told us what caused it. We now assume it was the bar fight mentioned in the show. Sabu worked with Matt briefly right after 9-11.
1:12 one of my favourite corny-isms 😂
I knew he was going to call her a frog! hahahaha
The “he bought a million dollar house” line made me laugh.
Disney's The Clown and The Frog.
It wasn't until they brought in Dink that I really saw enough of Doink to realize they had changed the guy behind the makeup. I'm pretty sure I saw Matt Borne once and Ray Apollo once at house shows in Philly. It's the sort of thing that if Doink were higher up the card, everyone would have noticed the day they switched. The gimmick was better with Matt Borne, but it was obviously unsustainable with someone that chaotic.
"She's sitting there with her frog fuckin face" 😂😂😂