Jim Cornette Reviews Dark Side Of The Ring's Grizzly Smith Episode

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  • From Episode 384 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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  • @parsath_2584
    @parsath_2584 3 роки тому +757

    Robin is a fucking warrior for how she's turned out.

    • @BigE8718
      @BigE8718 3 роки тому +6

      Amen

    • @omarporter851
      @omarporter851 3 роки тому +4

      I didn't say anything about his daughter. I'm talking about the wrestlers.

    • @parsath_2584
      @parsath_2584 3 роки тому +23

      @@omarporter851 what?
      For one thing Robin was a wrestler and second again what?

    • @kristenjones4306
      @kristenjones4306 3 роки тому +8

      Robin rocks

    • @MidTennPews
      @MidTennPews 3 роки тому +8

      @@omarporter851 you must have commented on the wrong feed because nobody said that you said anything about his daughter.

  • @damian_cross
    @damian_cross 3 роки тому +270

    Jake went through so much he literally wasn't phased by getting cancer. He's like "Don't worry I'll beat it" and he did.

  • @arnavbhagwat4232
    @arnavbhagwat4232 3 роки тому +746

    When Jake said at the end, "I survived, I made it" as he was smiling and walking around AEW backstage, I started crying.

    • @bobbybr38k3r8
      @bobbybr38k3r8 3 роки тому +54

      Very emotional . Bless him.

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +32

      Grizzly Smith DSOTR and Owen Hart DSOTR are the only ones that made me cry 😢

    • @arnavbhagwat4232
      @arnavbhagwat4232 3 роки тому +64

      @@kenrickeason The Chris Benoit DSOTR when Jericho said, "the only thing Benoit loved the most in the world, he will never be acknowledged for it, he will forever be erased". That made me emotional as well

    • @rocketdive2001
      @rocketdive2001 3 роки тому +22

      I cried as well. When he smiled into the camera at the end as his voice said those words, i could see a glimpse of the young boy he thought bury resurface for one more happy moment.

    • @ammagnolia
      @ammagnolia 3 роки тому +12

      Me too. He really didn't think he would. None of us and always hoped he would
      I'm glad the fans helped him with med bills in the past that's so awesome. They really need a foundation for these guys retirement and start them at 50

  • @XombieLejon66
    @XombieLejon66 3 роки тому +205

    This really put things in perspective. Jake was already a damaged man even before getting into the business. Him saying how "Jake" is a tough SOB who fears nothing, but inside Aurelian Smith Jr. is still that scared, abused kid that hasn't been able to grow up since he was 13. I lost it.

    • @Kas58223
      @Kas58223 3 роки тому +12

      This episode was so messed up in my opinion

    • @AliHusnain522
      @AliHusnain522 3 роки тому +11

      That was the line that got me aswell

    • @Kas58223
      @Kas58223 3 роки тому +14

      @@AliHusnain522 it did make me happy Jake saying he 10 years sober and that the whole family themselves are trying get together for lost time I hope that happens after all that messed up stuff they had to go through growing up

  • @leeberry689
    @leeberry689 3 роки тому +344

    I thought the Von Erichs was tops for the most dysfunctional wrestling family hands down, until I saw this. How Jake, Robin & Sam are still alive after all that is a miracle.

    • @jpowers55
      @jpowers55 3 роки тому +45

      The Von Erichs were self destructive. Jake and his siblings had a shitty father.

    • @Mr.Majestic77
      @Mr.Majestic77 3 роки тому +35

      I made the same comment. In a better world both Kevin Von Erich & Jake Roberts would co-owning a wrestling company.

    • @TheChapelx
      @TheChapelx 3 роки тому +4

      @Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account Anoa'i Family has mostly stayed tragedy free

    • @someguytheycallmyers5557
      @someguytheycallmyers5557 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheChapelx Yoko though?

    • @TheChapelx
      @TheChapelx 3 роки тому +12

      @@someguytheycallmyers5557 I said mostly. They're had 3 early deaths(Yoko, Umaga and Rosey). For a wrestling family, any family, their odds are still good.

  • @WorldsOkayestSorcerer
    @WorldsOkayestSorcerer 3 роки тому +504

    Went back and watched this again, without kids interrupting me.
    During the end where Jake is saying, “If you’re a kid going through this, run. Run like the wind and tell the cops, your pastor (etc),” I was trying really hard not to cry. That was some seriously emotional stuff from he and his siblings. That “It’d be nice to have a sister,” thought was heartbreaking.

    • @michaelhamponjr5768
      @michaelhamponjr5768 3 роки тому +23

      Me and my mother watched it and we where both talking about how sad all that was....wow

    • @KM-ql4eb
      @KM-ql4eb 3 роки тому +29

      I cried the entire episode - just watched it, still crying. Horrifying. All of them deserve peace.

    • @davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207
      @davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207 3 роки тому +23

      The sad thing is that in years gone by the authorities took a more standoffish approach. Now it would be investigate thoroughly. Also not sure your pastor is a slam dunk given all the allegations regarding the clergy...

    • @shyjames83
      @shyjames83 3 роки тому +8

      @@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207 yes, Pastor is not the way to go

    • @Kalentros
      @Kalentros 3 роки тому +23

      @@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207 "Pastor"is not the same as "Priest". The Pastor at the church I grew up in was a very good man who did the right thing in this kind of situation. He immediately called the police and testified at the trial. He also didn't turn his back on me after I told him that I had become an atheist. The only change was he switched from being a minister to a friend when I needed one.

  • @andrewbowyer5043
    @andrewbowyer5043 3 роки тому +921

    The smile on Jake's face when he said he's 10 years sober made you wanna root for him

    • @Hi-kq1vi
      @Hi-kq1vi 3 роки тому +15

      He didn't move in with DDP until late 2012, so we know that is bs.

    • @dolandarkxgrandayy6953
      @dolandarkxgrandayy6953 3 роки тому +65

      @@Hi-kq1vi I think he rounded up, 9 years is pretty much a decade.

    • @Peppers19781978
      @Peppers19781978 3 роки тому +49

      @@Hi-kq1vi It has pretty much been 10 years but even so it's not bs. The guy has totally changed his life. 10 years, 8 years, 5 years....he is a different man now. It's remarkable he is alive. I met him a week before his HOF induction and he was so happy, so excited meeting his fans that day. You could tell he had a whole new lease on life. He is of course in AEW now and people can trust him when at one point he was unreliable, a mess, an embarrassment at events he was at.

    • @madamefeast4824
      @madamefeast4824 3 роки тому +46

      @@Hi-kq1vi Yeah I caught that but he's close enough. He's proud of himself, I'll give him slack for a couple of years when saying he's clean for 10 years.
      Not that anyone cares but I have been clean from opiates since 4/2014. That's 7 years with not one fuck up. If I round up to 8 or 9 years. Whatever. Now, I don't round up but not everyone is the same.
      Good for Jake

    • @Hi-kq1vi
      @Hi-kq1vi 3 роки тому +9

      @@madamefeast4824 It is good he is in a better place, but yes I am highly dubious-he worked the holier than thou WWF gimmick claiming he was clean while doing every drug known to man for a year or so. He from memory fell off the wagon several times-DDP released a video of him admitting to it well into 2013, so even if you buy him being totally clean it is probably more like 6-7 years. Lying about that to such a degree when the possible reality would be hugely impressive if true & seeing clips of him rolling around like a high drunk in AEW obviously makes you question him.

  • @rajakghosh6602
    @rajakghosh6602 3 роки тому +772

    Jake Roberts took a lot of shit from fans for his substance abuse in and out of ring but when you found out what he has gone through, one has feel to sympathetic to his plight. Glad he conquered his demons and doing well health wise.

    • @Shin-Blade
      @Shin-Blade 3 роки тому +18

      I hope he overcomes COPD as well...

    • @meharinationsportspodcast2582
      @meharinationsportspodcast2582 3 роки тому +31

      I hope that these young wrestling fans can finally let Jake Roberts live his life because he's been through pure hell. Now, they can finally understand why he fell for the drug addiction during his wrestling career.

    • @smallville316619
      @smallville316619 3 роки тому +22

      @@Shin-Blade COPD only gets worse, it's a progressive disease.

    • @evergreenrider
      @evergreenrider 3 роки тому +10

      @@Shin-Blade one doesn't overcome COPD unfortunately

    • @evergreenrider
      @evergreenrider 3 роки тому +4

      @james noble thats everything. Hes truly an inspiration.

  • @Unknown-bq9id
    @Unknown-bq9id 3 роки тому +125

    If there is a Hell, Grizzly is burning merrily in it, IMO--as I've said, he makes Fritz Von Erich look like father of the year. Fritz at least did love his sons, even if he made bad decisions in how he raised them...

    • @EVGriffinJr
      @EVGriffinJr 3 роки тому +26

      Yep! Fritz did some questionable things concerning his kids, but he never did anything monstrous like grizzly Smith! Heck, when I was watching the episode, I was thinking “and I thought Jimmy Snuka, Chris Benoit, new Jack and even Fritz was bad! Grizzly Smith is another level of evil!“

    • @marvinalexander6796
      @marvinalexander6796 3 роки тому +21

      Totally agree, Fritz might have been a little rough on the edges, but he wasn't ashamed to kiss and hug his sons

    • @alfonsoperezthreezerosix
      @alfonsoperezthreezerosix 3 роки тому +7

      Don’t forget about Stu Hart

    • @runnersdialzero1244
      @runnersdialzero1244 3 роки тому

      @@EVGriffinJr jimmy snooker

    • @EVGriffinJr
      @EVGriffinJr 3 роки тому +4

      @@runnersdialzero1244 LOL! My bad! I didn’t see that the first time! I just fixed it!

  • @patrickboian8545
    @patrickboian8545 3 роки тому +64

    Grizzly was a pos. How can you do that to your children? Feel so bad for Jake and Robin.

  • @Rudy04
    @Rudy04 3 роки тому +543

    Robin is a freaking hero for saving that little girl's life

    • @Trayxxxx
      @Trayxxxx 3 роки тому +20

      I agree

    • @garethcullen9604
      @garethcullen9604 3 роки тому +31

      I agree, but she should have called the cops while he was asleep, instead of letting him leave.

    • @ctcs9162
      @ctcs9162 3 роки тому +16

      @@garethcullen9604 For what? To deliver food? This is 1940's Texas. This was ok then.

    • @ctcs9162
      @ctcs9162 3 роки тому +5

      @The Gypsy 60FPS so you are defending child rape telling me I'm 20 years off. Got it.

    • @ctcs9162
      @ctcs9162 3 роки тому +4

      @The Gypsy 60FPS I know, it's hard for a wrestling fan.

  • @rajakghosh6602
    @rajakghosh6602 3 роки тому +176

    The kind of abuse the children endured during childhood and substance abuse as a result I'm surprised they are still alive and can talk about it.

    • @zakrowe1301
      @zakrowe1301 3 роки тому +31

      I was particularly impressed with robin. I hope they can all bond and get to know each other her while they’re still here .

    • @madamefeast4824
      @madamefeast4824 3 роки тому +2

      @Philip Tucker I don't think Grizzly even was in the WWWF let alone the WWF. Jake obviously was

    • @madamefeast4824
      @madamefeast4824 3 роки тому +4

      @Philip Tucker he was a disgusting human being but I just double checked. Grizzly was in AWA and NWA and Mid-south etc. He wasn't even in WWF W Vince. So.... Weird comment

    • @jimp6755
      @jimp6755 3 місяці тому

      Victims often become very tough.

  • @jakefoley9539
    @jakefoley9539 3 роки тому +62

    My biggest takeaway from this episode is that Robin Smith is an absolute badass.

    • @michaelmfwayne
      @michaelmfwayne 3 роки тому +3

      She was smokin hot back in the day, and was a great worker. Shame her career wasn't longer. Despite everything, she turned out to be a good person.

  • @Shin-Blade
    @Shin-Blade 3 роки тому +243

    This episode had to be the most informative and the most disturbing in the series. It was like those serial killer stories where nobody but close ones knew the real story...

    • @TBOTSS
      @TBOTSS 3 роки тому +1

      @Shin-Blade Grizzly Smith - one lucky bastard.

    • @danijade8432
      @danijade8432 3 роки тому +15

      Absolutely the MOST disturbing one....
      I thought the Chris Benoit episodes were bad but this was awful in many aspects.

    • @Shin-Blade
      @Shin-Blade 3 роки тому

      @@TBOTSS As far as the law? Yes. Otherwise? He isn't...

    • @Shin-Blade
      @Shin-Blade 3 роки тому +2

      @@danijade8432 Chris Benoit episode wasn't that bad but I will have to get back to you with what I think is as disturbing as this episode. The Ultimate Warrior episode wasn't that great or discovering as the A&E Biography episode though...

    • @Ori0n1975
      @Ori0n1975 3 роки тому +6

      I knew how this episode was going to be, because of what I have heard about Grizzly Smith and his family. Most people knew a lot of this stuff, but this episode put it in a more specific light rather than just vague statements.

  • @shindean
    @shindean 3 роки тому +129

    This was the most gruesome episode. There was a level of vileness that was incomprehensible. I remember watching that scene from Beyond the mat with Jake and Grizzly, and it was just so uncomfortable to watch but I didn't know exactly why.
    And now I know why, he was standing next to the devil, and couldn't say a word.

    • @jakedull2553
      @jakedull2553 3 роки тому +9

      I mean then you wonder why Jake did drugs and drank.

    • @glennjoyce7682
      @glennjoyce7682 3 роки тому +23

      @@jakedull2553 you come out of the episode with nothing but empathy for Grizzly's poor kids...he fucking destroyed all of them and the fact they survived him is a miracle in of itself

    • @jakedull2553
      @jakedull2553 3 роки тому +3

      @@glennjoyce7682 facts 💯

  • @drsmainemusic
    @drsmainemusic 3 роки тому +182

    This episode was POWERFUL. Very hard to watch, but hard to turn away from. Diamond Dallas Page is a saint for the help he's given Jake.

    • @user-li3fr8jl3b
      @user-li3fr8jl3b 3 роки тому +4

      Great publicity for DDP yoga though. Lets not forget that.

    • @Peppers19781978
      @Peppers19781978 3 роки тому +14

      @@user-li3fr8jl3b DDP has helped many lives. He didn't do it for attention. He has helped many non-wrestlers. I met DDP at a horror convention right when he was starting up DDP Yoga and he was promoting the hell out of it, so excited and you could tell he knew it would change lives. I talked to him for almost 20 minutes. Such an amazingly nice guy. A true inspiration. Fuck Ultimate Warrior....WWE should hand out the DDP Award.

    • @nickfrankie261
      @nickfrankie261 3 роки тому +5

      Ddp helped the guys that gave him knowledge in Wrestling. He loves Scott and Jake

    • @skylerb97
      @skylerb97 3 роки тому +2

      @@Peppers19781978 he didn't do it for the attention and while it was already a big deal, the product definitely benefited from the help it'd given Jake and Scott

  • @Howyanow
    @Howyanow 3 роки тому +366

    I know Jake is a very “marmite” kind of person either you live him or you hate him but seeing him smile when he said he was 10 years sober made me a recovering addict very happy to see and gives me inspiration

    • @user-li3fr8jl3b
      @user-li3fr8jl3b 3 роки тому +21

      Yeah I can't blame any of them for drinking or taking drugs after the youth they had. Good luck with your recovery!

    • @jasonchasney7367
      @jasonchasney7367 3 роки тому +5

      When was the resurrection filmed then, because he was drunk in that and it came out in 2015

    • @danielwilson9724
      @danielwilson9724 3 роки тому +6

      @@jasonchasney7367 even if he was, crack was his real problem. If hes sober off tht 10 yrs now, kudos to Jake!

    • @S.E.J
      @S.E.J 3 роки тому +8

      @@Bale4Bond
      Just cause that documentary came out in 2015 doesn’t mean it HAPPENED in 2015. As far as alcohol goes, Jake is about 7-8 years sober since that documentary was filmed.

    • @patrickboian8545
      @patrickboian8545 3 роки тому +5

      Makes me feel good for my dads recovery from alcoholism.

  • @InsignificantNick
    @InsignificantNick 3 роки тому +414

    A hard episode. The story of Grizzly bringing an 8 or 9 year old to Robin's house like it was nothing. So much to digest.

    • @ryankeefe6222
      @ryankeefe6222 3 роки тому +73

      If there’s a hell I hope grizzly smith is rotting there

    • @Howyanow
      @Howyanow 3 роки тому +33

      That part was absolutely shocking

    • @ellemarr7234
      @ellemarr7234 3 роки тому +17

      That part instantly reminded me of the Netflix doc Abducted in Plain Sight. I wouldn’t recommend it unless you know what you’re getting into but its core story has a lot of similarities.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому +59

      what bothered me about that part, is that they never went in deeper into that.
      Yeah he came home with her and Robin took her away from him...then what? Who was the little girl? Did she eventually ended up with Grizzly again? Did her parents come and picked her up?...They left it up in the air i feel

    • @thekidfromiowa
      @thekidfromiowa 3 роки тому +56

      @@el-youtub3r402 What unscrupulous parents let that girl hang out with a stranger old enough to be her grandpa.

  • @TihetrisWeathersby
    @TihetrisWeathersby 3 роки тому +462

    Crazy how much Jake has been through, Much respect to DDP for helping him out

    • @thesupremepizzaking
      @thesupremepizzaking 3 роки тому +44

      DDP is a saint

    • @TihetrisWeathersby
      @TihetrisWeathersby 3 роки тому +41

      @@thesupremepizzaking
      He is, Until a handshake turns into a Diamond Cutter

    • @midniteryder_3-16
      @midniteryder_3-16 3 роки тому +8

      @@TihetrisWeathersby
      & with that, u never c it coming!

    • @XombieLejon66
      @XombieLejon66 3 роки тому +24

      Back then, Jake and Scott Hall had to be at the top of alot of people's lists of wrestlers who wouldn't be alive in the next 5 years. DDP is the patron Saint of troubled wrestlers

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +10

      DDP doesn't get enough credit.. Kinda disappointed how The Undertaker treated him back in the day now..

  • @MilMaska
    @MilMaska 3 роки тому +305

    "If man has enough power, he can speak softly and everyone will listen" - Jake Roberts

  • @hollywood21639
    @hollywood21639 3 роки тому +152

    Growing up in a small town, I'm sure the locals knew about what he was doing. The fact he got Sam out of trouble so much tells me he probably took part in things with local officials too.

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +37

      Exactly!! I grew up in a small town in Alabama and things like that do happen.. I guarantee everybody knew.. They was just either afraid to say something cause of retaliation from the ones who was doing it or They were doing the same things themselves..

    • @tonyperkis4154
      @tonyperkis4154 3 роки тому +31

      @@kenrickeason it’s like when priests get away with diddling kids for years and years. People know. Just so happens that the pedo has been trusted with half the communities deepest darkest secrets during “confession”...while the other half look at the person in such a light, that they wouldn’t believe you if you told them.

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +18

      @@tonyperkis4154 You right.. It sad man and disgusting..

    • @murderinc.hunting7686
      @murderinc.hunting7686 3 роки тому +23

      I bet law enforcement or judges were doing it too and Grizzly knew. They couldn't risk punishing Sam and pissing Grizzly off.

    • @CEOGaming82
      @CEOGaming82 3 роки тому +9

      Nasty good ole boy crew

  • @85futureshock
    @85futureshock 3 роки тому +102

    I knew Grizzly was evil but I wasn’t prepared for the story by Robin about him showing up at her door.

    • @Blueswailer
      @Blueswailer 3 роки тому +23

      Right? "She wants to try Daiquiris." WTF

    • @Gunn27
      @Gunn27 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah and she never even called the police so he more than likely just found another child to abuse and lived the rest of his life a free man. Disgusting.

  • @nujeru99
    @nujeru99 2 роки тому +40

    I remember watching Jake's DVD "Pick Your Poison", where he spoke about the Monster his father was. Robin is a HEROINE for saving that young girl's life. Unfortunately, Grizzly was a MASTER at manipulation--he knew his reputation with the boys (combined with his celebrity as a wrestler and the fact that sexual assault was rarely talked about in public at that time) shielded him. He's a true POS

  • @sugartbube
    @sugartbube 3 роки тому +36

    That story was something else. You're suppose to feel safe with your parents. What a nighmare

  • @jonoldfield5713
    @jonoldfield5713 3 роки тому +60

    Grizzly Smith was a monster and how his children survived upto now because of him is miraculous

  • @ChrisC11291980
    @ChrisC11291980 3 роки тому +85

    Jake said himself on his WWE doc he had a hard time being in the business and listening to every talent saying how great his father was because Jake knew what they did not know. His old man was a master manipulator

    • @glennjoyce7682
      @glennjoyce7682 3 роки тому +15

      He was a monster..a true sociopath and the fact that Jake survived him with his life is a miracle

    • @ChrisC11291980
      @ChrisC11291980 3 роки тому +13

      @@glennjoyce7682 And I know some people dislike Jake for not always being a model parent himself but in hindsight, look at the role models he had growing up, no wonder he's so screwed up!

    • @A_Notes
      @A_Notes 3 роки тому +5

      I hope grizzly gets his on his judgement

    • @JackgarPrime
      @JackgarPrime 2 роки тому +2

      @@ChrisC11291980 Yeah compared to Grizzly, Jake looks like Father of the Year.

    • @ChrisC11291980
      @ChrisC11291980 2 роки тому

      @@JackgarPrime indeed he does.

  • @el_ra
    @el_ra 3 роки тому +45

    Best part of the episode was the ending where jake and robin told victims to speak out and run! Tell an adult and not endure the abuse.

  • @DespicablepunK25
    @DespicablepunK25 3 роки тому +69

    Until I saw this episode I always thought Jake Roberts was his real name.

    • @danielwilson9724
      @danielwilson9724 3 роки тому +2

      Me too

    • @kevinpayton2664
      @kevinpayton2664 3 роки тому +7

      I believe that a lot of wrestling fans thought that Jake Roberts was his real name. I did for years up until last year.

    • @fullparranrlgames3758
      @fullparranrlgames3758 3 роки тому +2

      Check out the ddp intervention on jake the snake roberts documentary....its fantastic

    • @jakelang806
      @jakelang806 3 роки тому

      You never looked him up?

    • @robertparker6280
      @robertparker6280 7 місяців тому

      Same, but now makes sense why he wanted to change his name.

  • @georgesalgado8783
    @georgesalgado8783 3 роки тому +118

    Good episode. Shame Jake, Sam and Robyn had to relive this.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому +4

      i think Sam had it the easiest out of them three, thats how it came across through the episode at least....

    • @georgesalgado8783
      @georgesalgado8783 3 роки тому +16

      @@el-youtub3r402 imagine if Sam, who tried to hang himself in prison, had it the easiest....what does that say about Jake and Robyn? Truly a very tragic life for them. 😖

    • @gothchicksbongrips5712
      @gothchicksbongrips5712 3 роки тому +1

      @@georgesalgado8783 but they're all still standing

    • @georgesalgado8783
      @georgesalgado8783 3 роки тому +3

      @@gothchicksbongrips5712 that's right. They made it.

    • @Peppers19781978
      @Peppers19781978 3 роки тому +6

      @@el-youtub3r402 He did because they said Jake and Robin kept things from him because he looked up to his dad though Sam almost drank himself to death, is lucky he didn't kill others and almost hung himself. Their other brother had it the easiest because he got away from the family as a kid.

  • @williamnelson4005
    @williamnelson4005 3 роки тому +38

    I had no idea that Cowboy Sam Houston was Jake’s brother. That family had to endure a torturous life because their dad was an absolute Piece of Shit! I always loved Jake the Snake Roberts and am glad he’s still here with us today.

    • @ant6132
      @ant6132 3 роки тому +3

      @Henry Lee I've never heard anyone accuse jake of diddling kids so 🤷

  • @ethanbradley2089
    @ethanbradley2089 3 роки тому +62

    Next season Vice needs to give them longer episodes. It's one of the few things worth watching on that channel. The advantage A&E's show has is they're longer. And on a side note: Arn Anderson better watch it now with that blind praise of Grizzly Smith and calling him a poor soul.

    • @gst013
      @gst013 3 роки тому +6

      I've only seen one of the A&E bios and it was the one on the Macho Man...that was enough for me. Borderline terrible. All of these random interview clips with a lot of people who had nothing to do with Randy telling secondhand stories about him and a weird overall biography that barely touched on huge stretches of his career. Felt like amateur hour aimed at people who had never watched wrestling all the way through.

    • @danielwilson9724
      @danielwilson9724 3 роки тому +10

      @@gst013 macho man is the worst one, the others are good. Especially Foley and Austin

    • @gregblau8082
      @gregblau8082 3 роки тому +4

      @@danielwilson9724 those are the 3 I’ve seen and the other 2 were definitely better… plus andre but that was done years ago, not as part of a series

  • @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother
    @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother 3 роки тому +83

    The Dynamite Kid DSOTR episode will not be for the faint of heart either.

    • @GrimCleanerDetailing
      @GrimCleanerDetailing 3 роки тому +24

      Been saying that since it was announced. Grizzly smith n dynamite are gonna be the shockers for a lotta people. Just way too many nasty stories.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому +5

      @@GrimCleanerDetailing Tbh i felt Grizzly's episode wasn't that hard of a pill to swallow....
      They told the stories of what everyone had rumored about him but they didn't went into great detail. You understand why of course.
      I felt the Benoit episode or Owen's was way more powerful

    • @ethanbradley2089
      @ethanbradley2089 3 роки тому +6

      That's the one I'm looking forward to the most though along with the FMW one. Dynamite Kid was before my time and my favorites have been the ones I'm not too familiar with. The Beniot one is probably the best. But I remembered that so vividly it just brought back terrible memories.

    • @user-li3fr8jl3b
      @user-li3fr8jl3b 3 роки тому +2

      @@el-youtub3r402 i think the fact they hinted at things (like the kidnapping/ murder) made it even more sinister.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому

      @@user-li3fr8jl3b Yea it got dark when they came into that topic but to me it was definetly not the most dark DsotR episode i've seen

  • @JagerLange
    @JagerLange 3 роки тому +24

    In something like the words of Frank Reynolds: "Turns out Grizzly Smith was a goddamn diddler!!"

    • @jakelang806
      @jakelang806 3 роки тому +1

      Lets not use the Lords name in vain

  • @MatsThyWit
    @MatsThyWit 3 роки тому +234

    This was undoubtedly incredibly difficult for anybody who was ever involved with Grizzly Smith. I can't imagine just the feelings of guilt by association that would rock me to my core if I'd had any kind of close friendship with a man like him.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому +14

      I wished though they would have gone in greater detail about the abuse that Jake and Robin went through. You understand why they didn't obviously, but i felt they just scratched the surface....

    • @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo
      @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo 3 роки тому +32

      @@el-youtub3r402 To be honest I think that was enough, to imply his children had been abused then go on about all his other escapades paints the picture without needing to be told

    • @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo
      @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo 3 роки тому +20

      I think that's why Jim Ross specifically made it a point in his first book to talk about what a horrible POS Grizzly was he could have easily skated over it but he didn't he told the stories made them public as a great f you same with Bob Sweetan.

    • @el-youtub3r402
      @el-youtub3r402 3 роки тому +11

      @@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo Yea i can see your point.
      Robin would have probably not been willing to come on the show if she was forced to share every detail about the abuse she suffered

    • @ericdunn1297
      @ericdunn1297 3 роки тому

      @@el-youtub3r402 p

  • @randolphdefreese7874
    @randolphdefreese7874 3 роки тому +22

    hearing Corny contradict Jake is one thing,but hearing Brian do it all the time grinds my gears.he is nothing but a fan.

    • @joshuaDstarks
      @joshuaDstarks 3 роки тому +10

      Several legs up on a “fan” considering his historical knowledge, collection, and understanding of the business.
      You just don’t like the guy, which is fine

    • @CM-tv2bu
      @CM-tv2bu 3 роки тому +1

      You probably shouldn't ever critique food because you're not a chef, idiots

    • @nickhughes8179
      @nickhughes8179 2 роки тому

      Cornette has known Brian since Brian was a 13 year old tape trader attending SMW shows. He met Cornette at an SMW show, and they kept in correspondence through tape trading. Brian also has a well connected family.

    • @jediknight1294
      @jediknight1294 Місяць тому

      Brian is one of the most connected people in wrestling. He's been involved with the business since he was 13. He's just never been in the ring or on the shows.

  • @markwrenn5965
    @markwrenn5965 3 роки тому +46

    My mom was Grizzly's last barber. I just told her about all of this last night. She had no idea. Shits crazy

    • @kageakuma3009
      @kageakuma3009 3 роки тому +7

      I mean, you never exactly know what other people are like behind closed doors. You may hear rumors, and background talk, but a lot of time it may seem like jealousy of an authority figure.

    • @Gunn27
      @Gunn27 2 роки тому

      You mean a dangerous disgusting paedophile never told his hairdresser about all of his crimes? Astonishing.

  • @RicGagger
    @RicGagger 3 роки тому +41

    I'm not gonna lie, this might be the best one yet. It was really dark. I knew about some if this, but never knew about the sister that disappeared. I don't know why people let grizzly get away with that for years. He lived a full life as a free man and should have been taken out long ago. He ruined all his children and countless other girls along the way. Young girls. This was a tear jerker

  • @takerdust
    @takerdust 3 роки тому +25

    The documentary skipped that Jake's young dead sister was married to a guy decades older than her, and the wife is a jealous nut. At first I thought it didn't make sense why Grizzly would be involved in her murder, but it's interesting that it occurred right around time the sister was talking to Robin about possible abuse. If Grizzly wasn't involved, he at least would be relieved that she was out of the picture.

    • @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
      @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 3 роки тому +1

      Good point

    • @hughjass7101
      @hughjass7101 3 роки тому +1

      that WAS in the episode tho...

    • @takerdust
      @takerdust 3 роки тому +4

      @@hughjass7101 mentioned the husband very briefly, but not about the vast age difference. An abused teen marrying a man old enough to be her grandfather is telling.

    • @hughjass7101
      @hughjass7101 3 роки тому

      not sure what that would have to do with the woman murdering her

    • @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
      @jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 2 місяці тому

      If I'm correct they don't actually know who exactly killed his sister.

  • @jasonkraatz9574
    @jasonkraatz9574 3 роки тому +14

    After this episode I have so much more respect and love for Jake, Sam and Robin. For them to experience what they did and be able to do this show speaks volumes.
    Also a special shout-out to the son he adopted out. I can’t imagine what he felt and for him to turn out good is a blessing.

  • @81ghale
    @81ghale 3 роки тому +6

    There’s a big ass difference between “Grizzley was a master of psychology” and a bunch of people thinking something weird was going on and but didn’t want to be the one to say something because they wanted to keep their job. GTFOH with that bullshit.

    • @williamslater-vf5ym
      @williamslater-vf5ym 3 місяці тому

      Even today people will see something fishy and not necessarily suspect any wrongdoing. And even if you do, you don't say anything.
      You've done it.

  • @SonOfMuta
    @SonOfMuta 3 роки тому +17

    The story of Jake's sister being kidnapped and murder was not in Beyond The Mat. It was in the WWE Jake DVD "Pick Your Poison"

    • @frankbrody239
      @frankbrody239 3 роки тому +3

      I thought he did kinda mention it in Beyond the Matt, in a scene where he was drunk and rambling he mentioned his mother being raped and he mentioned a sister being murdered. I thought it was Rockin Robin for a long time, but glad to see sh is still with us. But I swear I saw it on Beyond the Matt, or I'm experiencing that Mendela Effect thing......👽

    • @sc30002001
      @sc30002001 3 роки тому +1

      He mentioned it on beyond the Matt

  • @Azgoon69
    @Azgoon69 3 роки тому +30

    That was my favorite episode of Dark Side of the Ring because for once it was about something that I absolutely knew nothing about, either the story of Grizzly Smith or the fact that those wrestling personalities were related and also understanding the addiction problems that they had

  • @davey3884
    @davey3884 9 місяців тому +4

    The Dahmer excuse doesn't fly...Grizzly was always bringing underage girls around, Dahmer wasn't eating ppl at the candy factory.

    • @ironuzi7112
      @ironuzi7112 8 місяців тому

      @davey3884 plus Jeffrey Dahmer was just a regular worker at the candy factory. Grizzly Smith was a top official in the office

    • @Hammerhead547
      @Hammerhead547 6 місяців тому +1

      Dahmer also wasn't very well liked by his coworkers because of his attitude.

    • @miguelortiz5286
      @miguelortiz5286 6 місяців тому

      Sounds like R Kelly. If anybody knew the parents sure as hell knew

  • @realkeanureviews
    @realkeanureviews 3 роки тому +25

    So sad for Jake and his family having to live with that monster. It shows how different the Era was. People trusted people so easily especially people in power and fame. Also What happened in the home stayed in the home. It was the era sadly it's why so much abuse and sexual abuse happened and got away with it.

  • @enigmarip
    @enigmarip 3 роки тому +16

    That was one of the hardest shows to watch. I've said this to my friends many times. The fact that Jake is still alive is a miracle! Every time I hear about a wrestler dying too soon, my first thought is how is Jake still here? I am so glad he has gotten clean and sober and I pray for him to share his story and how he overcame such horrible circumstances.

  • @DemonKingFinnBalor1916
    @DemonKingFinnBalor1916 3 роки тому +15

    I'm not a very emotional person but that whole episode of Dark Side Of The Ring with Jake almost had me in tears listening to what they all went through.

  • @adam-thesportsguy6147
    @adam-thesportsguy6147 3 роки тому +15

    Jake blames Honky Tonk Man for his self destructive life...the real blame rests at the feet of Grizzly Smith.

    • @j.rivera6402
      @j.rivera6402 3 роки тому +3

      He also blamed the Ultimate Warrior….and then is still bitter as hell that Shawn Michaels and the Hitman became World Champs.

    • @tommyfraz.
      @tommyfraz. 3 роки тому +2

      @@j.rivera6402, Bret had a loving and respectful relationship with Stu. Stu and Grizzly were both prominent figures in wrestling. Bret and Jake were similarly sized (not in tone or definition), and they both have brown hair. It’s not far fetched that Jake may have projected himself onto Bret, and was envious of Bret and Stu’s relationship. “Why him, I’m just like like”. Out of all the Jake Feuds, the Bret one made the least amount of sense. However, this gives it a little reason.

    • @chelsesterling8264
      @chelsesterling8264 3 роки тому

      Jake had a choice and he made the wrong one. Jake not the only person to come from a dysfunctional family. This his fault and no one else.

    • @mrmoviemanic1
      @mrmoviemanic1 3 роки тому +3

      @@chelsesterling8264 that’s a disgusting outlook to have.

    • @laurakain1524
      @laurakain1524 3 роки тому

      @@mrmoviemanic1 However disgusting it is it is true
      He chose to be a drug addict for decades but I am glad he finally stopped
      That being said I have nothing against him and these two pricks in the video clearly do

  • @leogetz3570
    @leogetz3570 3 роки тому +18

    I remember when "Beyond the Mat" came out either late 98 or early 99 and Jake Robert's story then was brutal. The way he was conceived, his addictions, work schedule, and the fact his own daugher didn't want anything to do with him. I hope Grizzly Smith is suffering every day in hell

    • @DrJReefer
      @DrJReefer 3 роки тому +2

      People took it with a grain of salt at the time. Jake was known for telling a lot of tall tales that he swore was the truth.

  • @vinceraven1501
    @vinceraven1501 3 роки тому +15

    Met Grizzly during his 90s tenure with WCW & he seemed no more different than any other person. Only thing was the way he gave off a aura of quietness at times & yes on occasion, there'd be the sweetest, maybe right at her early teens, girl with him & sometimes another, but, didn't think of it then as I was around the same age. Backstage people listened intently when he was directing traffic though. Whatever happened all those years, maybe they'll stay there now.. Best episode yet.

  • @oN3xShOtxkilL
    @oN3xShOtxkilL 3 роки тому +107

    It was one of the hardest episodes I watched because I went through the same abuse as a kid

    • @emigrant1510
      @emigrant1510 3 роки тому +34

      I sincerely hope you're doing well these days.

    • @oN3xShOtxkilL
      @oN3xShOtxkilL 3 роки тому +16

      @@emigrant1510 i appreicate it, I never went down the alcohol and drugs like others have but memories never go away sadly, it’s easier to talk about but never easy to move on

    • @ManifestMyFuturesDestiny
      @ManifestMyFuturesDestiny 3 роки тому +13

      @@oN3xShOtxkilL Damn Marcus........the fear and turmoil you must've endured. No child should ever, ever have to go through this. I commend your bravery and strength. I hope someone was there to help.

    • @oN3xShOtxkilL
      @oN3xShOtxkilL 3 роки тому +1

      @@ManifestMyFuturesDestiny it took me many years before I could talk about it with my mother, I’ll never tell my father about it.

    • @thequadfather27
      @thequadfather27 3 роки тому

      Sorry you went through that ish!!! Hope everything is well! ☺️

  • @anachronologist2017
    @anachronologist2017 3 роки тому +11

    Best episode they've ever done. As a victim of childhood trauma, they handled this in a very respectable way and I appreciate learning more about Jake and his family than I ever knew. I was one of those that only knew what I'd seen from Beyond the Mat and similar, but Jake is a goddamn hero in my opinion, and I sincerely hope that this episode helps bring all those estranged siblings a bit closer, they certainly deserve that. I hope I get to meet Jake one day, he's an inspiration and I'm so proud to see how someone like that can turn out the way he has.

  • @donaldkennedy9573
    @donaldkennedy9573 3 роки тому +20

    Just imagine if Vice does a Beyond the Ring about Buck Zumhofe. Talk about being a pervert. Buck was the worst.

    • @craigperry3779
      @craigperry3779 3 роки тому +3

      I had never heard anything about him until the crime in sports podcast. His story is sickening.

    • @nunyabizniss3451
      @nunyabizniss3451 3 роки тому

      What happened with Buck Zumhofe? I've never heard of any of that.

    • @nickca420
      @nickca420 3 роки тому +5

      @@nunyabizniss3451 He's now (thankfully) in prison for the third and final time for child molestation, in this case he got 25 years for molesting his daughter.

    • @nunyabizniss3451
      @nunyabizniss3451 3 роки тому +2

      @@nickca420 Jesus christ, that's awful

    • @joshuaDstarks
      @joshuaDstarks 3 роки тому +1

      I’m not sure if it’s up here anymore, but IYH Wrestling interviewed Buck well before his arrest, and it was...uh....pretty weird.

  • @rlshieldsok
    @rlshieldsok Рік тому +3

    JR said he took less money to keep from working in south Texas and Louisiana to avoid working with them down there. He they were all doing it.

  • @heatherwright3981
    @heatherwright3981 3 роки тому +6

    But that girl, whoever she was, was completely BRAINWASHED by that man, bc all she did was praise him, which makes no sense. That is why they call it GROOMING.

  • @NesDogg
    @NesDogg 3 роки тому +26

    How bout these parents that allowed their children to be with Grizzly?

    • @HkFinn83
      @HkFinn83 3 роки тому +5

      Seems weird now but they really probably had no idea about what was really going on

    • @stevencooper3202
      @stevencooper3202 3 роки тому +6

      Grisly would have paid them off

    • @eiephants
      @eiephants 3 роки тому +7

      They knew. He probably paid them.

    • @imusingsocialistmedia3014
      @imusingsocialistmedia3014 3 роки тому +10

      If your parents are allowing this they are just as repsonsible for what happened.

    • @maceomaceo11
      @maceomaceo11 3 роки тому +2

      How about those parents that sent their kids off with Boy Scout leaders. Or to be altar boys.

  • @tywilliam3225
    @tywilliam3225 3 роки тому +47

    Grizzly Smith is the R Kelly in Professional Wrestling.

  • @gothchicksbongrips5712
    @gothchicksbongrips5712 3 роки тому +8

    I have a lot of love and respect for this family putting everything out there for everyone to see. And props to the guys who put together the show 🙌

  • @cliffbeavers6158
    @cliffbeavers6158 3 роки тому +15

    Next to the Benoit one, this was probably the roughest watch of Dark Side. Yikes.

  • @joshuam190
    @joshuam190 3 роки тому +26

    I no longer feel like Jake is a bad guy for being a junkie. It’s a miracle none of these kids committed suicide.

    • @ethanbradley2089
      @ethanbradley2089 3 роки тому +12

      Most people with addictions are trying to suppress something. So maybe you should drop that mindset. It's rare someone with a perfect life decides they're going to be inebriated 24/7. Keith Richards but he'd die if he stopped.

    • @nickca420
      @nickca420 3 роки тому +6

      No one does that much dope and coke and alcohol because they want to. It's a means of escape.

    • @dwyurr
      @dwyurr 3 роки тому +4

      well we're all glad you can display some slight empathy only after hearing the graphic details of being raped as a child by his stepmom. why the fuck would you automatically think someone is "a bad guy" for being an addict, or the stigmatized derogatory word "junkie."

    • @totallybored5526
      @totallybored5526 2 роки тому +2

      “Junkies” are not bad people. They’re all like Jake and been through severe trauma at home then they go out into the world and get treat like scum for “being a Junkie” or being a bit “off” because of the abuse and that makes the spiral worse

    • @jediknight1294
      @jediknight1294 Місяць тому

      ​@@totallybored5526not all of them, there are a lot that are just fuck ups.
      Jake didn't steal, didn't go into crime, Jake didn't do a lot of the junkie stuff, he openly admits his fuck ups and his choices made that's a lot more than most.

  • @ThaRealWorld
    @ThaRealWorld 3 роки тому +13

    I’m from Tatum, TX & I’ve NEVER heard of Jake’s sister missing here. Now I’ve asked around, I’ve heard SO many stories! Crazy what small towns hide

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +3

      A lot of stuff a small town will hide.. I'm from a small town out of Alabama and you would be surprised on what will come out if you ask the right people.. Sh_t crazy man..

    • @JimmyAdcock
      @JimmyAdcock 3 роки тому +2

      Im from Kilgore and it shocked me too! Small towns cover up everything bad that happens. You cant even mention the KFC murders that happened in Kilgore in 1984 when I was 13 in a public FB group about growing up there or to any older people in that town without getting scolded or the evil eye. If you do a search for Jo Lynn Rogers Tatum Texas on google, you will see a FB post in a Tatum Texas group from one of the researchers from Vice TV asking for information or photos of the search that took place after she was kidnapped. Posted in Oct of 2020. Not a single “like” or comment on the post. That tells you how much small towns still hide their past even 40 years later

    • @ThaRealWorld
      @ThaRealWorld 3 роки тому +1

      @@JimmyAdcock well howdy neighbor hahah but yeah I knew about the KFC murders cause I went to Henderson High but wow! I had no idea they even made a post! Crazy shit

    • @JimmyAdcock
      @JimmyAdcock 3 роки тому

      @@ThaRealWorld would love to hear some of the stuff you found out!

  • @KayFabe87
    @KayFabe87 3 роки тому +6

    Based on Cornette's description of parents allowing their young daughters to "travel" with him, Grizzly Smith sounds like the low income version of Michael Jackson in the sense that parents would willingly let their kids spend time alone with these predators without putting 2 and 2 together, or simply being naive to the fact that these adult men wanted to spend time with young kids for nefarious reasons.

    • @wlidbill5261
      @wlidbill5261 3 роки тому +3

      Dude mj didnt touch to fuckin kids he was a abused kid and just wanted to have that childl ike innocent again . it was proven he did nothing to the kids that the parent made them to testify he touched them . well the kids after growing up came back out saying out much of a lie it was and their parents made them say what they said an they was so sorry they hurt micheal they loved him but he knew what was up . its a shame they attacked him and smeared him like they did cause he was goin against the music industry for abuse. He was a damn good man read some fuckin shit and stop bein a sheep following the herd look up the damn court case .

    • @wildhearts242
      @wildhearts242 2 роки тому

      @@wlidbill5261Mj was guilty as sin and none of his accusers ever recanted. I read his legal docs in a criminal justice class; he clearly was a ''nice guy predator''. Grown men don't have sleepover with young boys

  • @constablekennedy7705
    @constablekennedy7705 3 роки тому +26

    This stuff is crazy and all these DSOTR Episodes are very well put together ... 👀

    • @tonyperkis4154
      @tonyperkis4154 3 роки тому +3

      They really aren’t that well put together. Gino Hernandez episode is a clear example. Go back and watch that episode and tell me what happened with the uncircumcised Latino body...or how Ginos mom thought something sinister happened with a shady friend for the last 30 years, but one of those shady friends calls and says nobody killed Gino...so she was just OK with it now. They never circled back to that dead body that mom and wife knew wasn’t Gino.
      Snukas was bad, too. They had an obvious agenda, so it’s easy to see how much was left out. Even this episode on Grizzly. Clearly stuff was left out. I like the setting, and the topics because I’m a wrestling fan....but the info leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of the episodes don’t have much new info that’s not pretty public knowledge. There’s absolutely legitimate complaints with every episode and topic....and some of it is due to laziness and bad investigation/interviewing.

    • @SLURM187
      @SLURM187 3 роки тому

      @@tonyperkis4154 How much can you cover in 45 minutes?

    • @chrissimpson4750
      @chrissimpson4750 3 роки тому

      Ultimate warrior one was terrible. Last 15 years crammed into 5min when it was probably the time that needed most addressing. Most of these are well done, a handful have been terrible though.

    • @tonyperkis4154
      @tonyperkis4154 3 роки тому +2

      @@SLURM187 if you are going to put in red herrings, you have to explain them later. If they aren’t red herrings, it’s just facts, then you have to keep going down that path. If you are going to use the “uncircumcised Hispanic dead body....but Ginos mom and wife say he was circumcised and wasn’t Hispanic “ and then conclude the episode with “nothing sinister happened”...you need to tell the viewer HOW all of this is possible.
      Yes, they all need to be longer....but even the longer ones are lazy. If you are passionate enough about these topics, you can tie the stories up cleaner in 45 minutes than what they have. You can cut out a lot of useless shit in all of them. Or maybe they are adding useless shit for the drama, and I’m hung up on the useless stuff....then they should not put it in if the can’t end the story cleanly.

    • @Ori0n1975
      @Ori0n1975 3 роки тому +1

      It's the only thing Vice does that I'll watch. They usually do leftist biased crap.

  • @thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632
    @thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632 3 роки тому +9

    On the Vice piece Cornette even said that the boy's would always mention his affinity for little girls. Now on here he says no one knew. Which is it, Jim?
    And while were on the subject, how many young girls did R&R Express have? You were there, you'd know.

    • @thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632
      @thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632 3 роки тому +3

      @Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account Bury your head in the sand then.
      Jim is not being truthful because it makes him look like an enabler. Which he, and everyone else in those lockerooms were.
      Also, the R&R Express would routinely moleste teenage rats back in the day. Jim probably is already ready with excuses holstered for whenever that comes up. ....clown.🤡

    • @oodatooitis6714
      @oodatooitis6714 3 роки тому +2

      @@thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632 Well I’m going to be that “Internet Guy” and say it - if you’ve got proof, report it to the local authorities, otherwise you’re no better than the enablers you’re upset about.

    • @jediknight1294
      @jediknight1294 Місяць тому

      R&R was aimed at the high school market as a gimmick, that's what Cornette means and openly discusses it was done to make money, the 'rats/grpupie' stories Cornette refers too were adults.

  • @jedediahcoulbourne1791
    @jedediahcoulbourne1791 3 роки тому +16

    If people knew for sure what he'd been doing I think we'd have heard about Grizzly in a ditch

  • @mikehunt1741
    @mikehunt1741 3 роки тому +54

    Could listen to Cornette forever. A treasure to Pro Wrestling.

    • @jenniferpruitt6534
      @jenniferpruitt6534 3 роки тому +3

      Jim Cornette is a wrestling legend. A walking wrestling encyclopedia, he's got a collection of memorabillia in his home. He's got a true love for wrestling, good, bad and ugly!

  • @elreyes78
    @elreyes78 4 місяці тому +1

    How fucking naive of Cornette. Those parents knew EXACTLY what was going on when they sent their child on the road with Grizzly.

  • @rl318
    @rl318 3 роки тому +9

    People act shocked by this and wonder why other people in the wrestling business did not connect the dots or step in, but guys like Sandusky and that gymnast doctor did the same thing in supposedly more prestigious circles and people were blind to them too.

    • @totallybored5526
      @totallybored5526 2 роки тому

      It’s not as if they’re doing what they do in front of people. Or even tell people. If you was into some dark stuff would you go around telling people?

  • @kelsohunt460
    @kelsohunt460 3 роки тому +10

    It was a tough watch. Jake 10 year's sober. Brilliant.

  • @johnnygrind77
    @johnnygrind77 3 роки тому +16

    This one was probably the hardest to watch out of all 3 seasons.

  • @jmoncada06
    @jmoncada06 9 місяців тому +2

    I will say this what I love about this is that Jake got his revenge on his father because Jake actually became the bigger well-known wrestler while his father pretty much went Into Obscurity besides his crimes

  • @juniusadams9346
    @juniusadams9346 3 роки тому +20

    After watching this episode I was completely shook by this. I've watched Jake in the WWF over the years & I never knew he had a father in the wrestling business or knew his father did these horrible things which would explain the downward spiral that he would go on years later. Great episode but disturbing at the same time

  • @thekidfromiowa
    @thekidfromiowa 3 роки тому +8

    The prospect of being blacklisted was probably enough to deter anyone from saying or doing anything about it if they knew what was going on.

  • @mrtoad8585
    @mrtoad8585 3 роки тому +10

    Am I the only one who felt they needed to shower after watching the grizzly smith episode

  • @Triple-Four
    @Triple-Four 5 місяців тому +1

    The worst part of all of this is that Jake refused to let his kid ever sit on his lap because he was horrified he'd be like his father.

  • @ammagnolia
    @ammagnolia 3 роки тому +11

    I need a Jim Cornette painting with that quote across it.....
    ..."because they didn't know he was f***ING eating people at the time!"

  • @chazzfarmer2547
    @chazzfarmer2547 3 роки тому +10

    Corny didn't mention the 2005 dvd that WWE released Jake the Snake Roberts pick your poison which is one of the best DVDs WWE produced but that DVD covered alot of this so I think a good majority of wrestling fans knew the story but Dark Side just did such a great job on this, probably the best episode yet

    • @Rjensen2
      @Rjensen2 2 роки тому +3

      Most people never bought it. Plus, it isn't like Jake Roberts has a reputation for being an honest person.

  • @johnboydojo
    @johnboydojo 3 роки тому +5

    How could any Parent let their child go off with a complete stranger or "family friend" is fucking Beyond me!
    As a Single Dad theirs NO FUCKING WAY I'd let my little Girl go off with Anyone! Its like Finding Neverland again. Crazy

  • @stevensingleton6742
    @stevensingleton6742 3 роки тому +3

    Who's to say that this wasn't some kind of underage ring. He could have payed the parents in these very poor communities. This shit is very normal in FLDS Mormon communities.

  • @chrisgabb7492
    @chrisgabb7492 2 роки тому +4

    Extremely tragic story that needed to be told. Grizzly Smith was a hero to kids like me back in the day. It's just so sad...hats off to his kids for pushing forward.

  • @bryanelam7431
    @bryanelam7431 3 роки тому +7

    This is the most important and most powerful dark side of the ring episode! So hard to watch but such a triumph of a ending and I bet it will help multiple people that have gone or are going through this!

  • @Filmation77
    @Filmation77 3 роки тому +4

    The first time I heard about the Grizzly Smith Stories was on the Jake Roberts:Pick your Poison WWF DVD.

  • @wanfu5634
    @wanfu5634 3 роки тому +8

    Like the story of John Wayne Gacy. A public life with so many people knowing him without a clue of what was really happening.

  • @SairajRKamath
    @SairajRKamath 3 роки тому +7

    I really hope the Smith siblings reconnect after this episode.

  • @Miketheratguy
    @Miketheratguy 3 роки тому +12

    LOL I loved that Dahmer hot take. Hearing Jim talking about a local boy (I lived 20 miles from Dahmer) was surreal, as (in)famous as he was. He's also correct for the 3 people who are wondering: Dahmer did in fact work at the Ambrosia chocolate factory while he was killing people and consuming body parts in his apartment on 25th street in midtown Milwaukee. Kept one of their heads in his work locker, in fact. There's some dark side for ya.

    • @takerdust
      @takerdust 3 роки тому +9

      Dark Side of the Chocolate Factory

    • @troublesomewestsideoutlaw5754
      @troublesomewestsideoutlaw5754 3 роки тому +2

      He did like dark skin males! I'm going to have a hard time enjoying chocolate now thinking about the possibility of tainted chocolate.

    • @Miketheratguy
      @Miketheratguy 3 роки тому +6

      @@troublesomewestsideoutlaw5754 Lol well to be fair it wasn't a race thing for Dahmer, he simply chose victims based on how attractive he found them to be. There were blacks, whites, Laotians. But yeah, blacks were the largest group. Milwaukee also has a large African-American population so that might have just made it more likely that he'd find more black victims as a result.

  • @Ben-nh9xw
    @Ben-nh9xw 3 роки тому +11

    It’s pathetic how Jim claims he saw nothing and then latches on to what babydoll said about parents giving there daughters to grizzly on the road and then keeps referring to it as an excuse

    • @jaygo8917
      @jaygo8917 5 місяців тому

      R kelly fans are like this to. They knew but didn't want to know and turned a blind eye lone who the fuck travels with a underage girl

  • @MrJjburgess11
    @MrJjburgess11 3 роки тому +5

    Anyone remember Rockin Robin singing America the Beautiful at Wrestlemania 5

  • @oliverrosco-collins1454
    @oliverrosco-collins1454 3 роки тому +11

    Read slobberknocker Jim Ross's book he talks about it they all knew about it. I like cornette but he's just trying to cover his ass it was public knowledge in the wrestling world that Grizz was a guy who was a lover of very young girls

    • @thekidfromiowa
      @thekidfromiowa 3 роки тому +3

      They knew but couldn't do anything about it because Grizzly would no doubt get them blackballed.

  • @RuthlessMcDugal
    @RuthlessMcDugal 3 роки тому +4

    Grizzly’s lying in hell

  • @rubenlara30
    @rubenlara30 3 роки тому +9

    Just finished up watching the Grizzly Smith episode… and damn.
    One thing that I didn’t know that Jake is a second generation wrestler

  • @bearcathampton5844
    @bearcathampton5844 3 роки тому +21

    WWE employed Pat Patterson even after the stories about ring boys. So not a surprise that they held on to Grizzly Smith.

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 3 роки тому +5

      Pat had nothing to do with that. They were completely made up allegations by both Billy Graham and Roddy Piper, both of whom admitted they made it up in order to damage Vince. People need to stop spewing this ignorant nonsense.

    • @jakehowell3069
      @jakehowell3069 3 роки тому +4

      @@chriskay1449 such b.s your sick

    • @msr187
      @msr187 3 роки тому +1

      @@chriskay1449 trolling at its finest

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 3 роки тому +1

      @@jakehowell3069 It's not BHS. Both are on public record admitting they lied. What is truly sick is you and other continuing to peddle false allegations against a guy who is no longer living. The guys you are talking about are Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips.

    • @jakehowell3069
      @jakehowell3069 3 роки тому

      @@chriskay1449 no mention of Tom Cole tho no??? Of course not why would you mention him??? Why was Mel Phillips re hired and told to stay away from the youngsters by Vince and Linda then???? Your sick mate I thank god my kids will be no where near you.

  • @michaelriverajr8891
    @michaelriverajr8891 3 роки тому +3

    Before watching this episode, I thought Jake was a only child and I never knew Robin is his sister. This was a uncomfortable and difficult episode to watch

  • @jollyjakelovell4787
    @jollyjakelovell4787 3 роки тому +14

    We all get it Brian Last, Jake beat you out of a penny once and you've held a grudge for so, so long.

  • @GMHSVE
    @GMHSVE 3 роки тому +18

    I honestly cried watching this.

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +3

      I didn't expect that.. I'm a grown man who been through a lot of sh_t and This Episode and The Owen Hart Episode made me cry.. Grizzly Smith was just an evil man.. SMH!!! 🥺😢😢

    • @fatalsniper3413
      @fatalsniper3413 3 роки тому

      Grow some balls

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 3 роки тому +5

      @@fatalsniper3413 I was going to say something but I erased it.. All I can say to you is *"Bless you"*

    • @fatalsniper3413
      @fatalsniper3413 3 роки тому

      @@kenrickeason I wasn't speaking to you. So take your blessings and shove it. Only speak when spoken to

    • @GMHSVE
      @GMHSVE 3 роки тому +5

      @@kenrickeason Look out, we got a badass here.

  • @BarbaraKurtz
    @BarbaraKurtz 11 місяців тому +1

    Grizzly said Jake was "born out of love.” That tells you how out of his mind Grizzly was. That 12-13 year old baby wasn't in love with him. He wasn't that in love with her either, because he dumped her when she was 17.

  • @steveomac385
    @steveomac385 3 роки тому +3

    Weren't the Rock n Roll express known for being with underage girls? People just joke about it...

    • @leogetz3570
      @leogetz3570 3 роки тому

      Possibly, but I'm sure they were at least 16 or 17 (which doesn't make it right), and were consenting, or at least the aggressive ones, unlike Grizzly Smith with his 12 year old girlfriend's daughter

    • @dang2320
      @dang2320 3 роки тому +2

      The same with Jerry Lawler I've heard.

    • @Hammerhead547
      @Hammerhead547 3 роки тому +2

      Depends on the age of consent in the particular state at the time.
      What might be considered "underage" (16) in one state is perfectly legal in the next.

    • @seangoodwin3046
      @seangoodwin3046 2 місяці тому

      This was a bit from Flair's promos.

  • @theresawebb1968
    @theresawebb1968 Місяць тому +1

    If moolah can be erased than grizzly smith's legacy should be erased.

  • @defaultusername123
    @defaultusername123 3 роки тому +6

    *One of the better Dark Side episodes in general, and thus far the best episode of Season 3.*
    REALLY REALLY REALLY hope someone can help get those 3 back together before it’s too late for one of them.

  • @KRSStudios
    @KRSStudios 3 роки тому +5

    This episode made my jaw drop mainly because I didn’t know about Grizzly Smith. When the episode was announced I did my research and even through that I didn’t know much about him until the episode came out.

  • @OfficialFingazMC
    @OfficialFingazMC 3 роки тому +8

    This episode really should of been a 2 parter!

  • @biarritz84
    @biarritz84 3 роки тому +14

    Grizzly no doubt was an evil "genius" & master manipulator to have done all he done his entire life & never got caught & actually got away with everything without any repercussions or punishment for his crimes against humanity & children most of all 🙄

    • @pauldonnelly3179
      @pauldonnelly3179 3 роки тому +6

      I suspect his punishment was internal. Believe me, evil catches up on you.

    • @thelastmotel
      @thelastmotel 3 роки тому +9

      @@pauldonnelly3179 As someone who has spent time around child molestors, I can honestly say that Grizzly was more likely proud of his "accomplishments" than regretful or self-loathing. One big example was Rolf Harris. He couldn't shut the hell up once he was in jail. Bragging, bragging, bragging. All the damn time. He was happy to be free to go on about it all.
      Less well-known monsters are just the same. Once they can talk about it, they don't want to stop. You have to understand a lot of these types consider themselves above everyone else, on another level, and doing what others "wouldn't dare to do".
      Savile revelled in it, when he was around his cronies. Another thing Harris loved to talk about was Savile.
      There's an interview on YT with both Harris and Savile together, and you can see Harris almost bouncing in his chair, and Savile keeping him on a leash.
      Here's another thing, and it's on the subject of people who knew but did nothing. A trick that Savile did, and he wasn't unique in doing it, was to get important people caught in compromising situations doing a kinda of sneaky ambush.
      They'd get some big-wig to a party, and while Savile or someone else was keeping the person entertained, laughing and joking, something horrific would be done in the background, and another person would capture it as a photograph.
      The bigwig woudn't have been aware of what was going on behind him until it was too late, and by then, they had a picture of the bigwig's smiling, laughing face right by some awful act being committed.
      Then what does he say? Nothing, cos if he does, he looks guilty too.
      Grizzly probably had all kinds of leverage, either through shared knowledge of deviant acts, or through entrapment of some kind.
      It's not always about whether someone knew or not, it's about the consequences of what could happen to them for saying anything.

    • @stephsman51
      @stephsman51 3 роки тому +2

      My guess is he didn't get into trouble because there were some higher up authority figures who were involved in the same vile evil crap. You know the saying "Birds of a feather". Just look at Epstein