The explanation of tilting spin axis is one I read in Nicklaus’ Golf My Way in the mid-80s. I’ve been shaping my shots ever since. The most difficult old “hit it straight” habits had to break were not aiming at the + dead center of the ball and coming out of the shot and twisting to look at the landing target, not down the swing path. To break the habits, at the range I would hit 10 balls straight ahead, then change stance and hit 10 balls straight left, grooving my swing on that line. Then finally I would start adjusting the face open in my hands incrementally a few degrees at a time until balls curved back and landed / kicked left to right at the straight line target. Same one-variable-at a time approach with draws. Not mentioned in this video was the goal for shaping approach shots isn’t the path in the air but rather the spin action on the ball which causes a fade to bounce and roll right / and draw left \. Hitting the shape which matches the longest dimension of the green, and/or edge of green to pin increases the odds of the ball staying on the green.
All good other than the equator of the golf ball would be perpendicular to the ground (and the stick) at 1:25, not parallel to it. In this demonstration, the spin axis was parallel to the stick (a line between the North and South Poles). Cheers - Dave
Thanks for this video. Here’s my question: I understand that for a RH golfer like myself, to hit a fade I need to have my club face in between my swing path and target. To use an exaggerated example: - my target is at 12 o clock - my swing path is at 10 o clock - my club face is at 11 o clock But I’m also told that the path into the ball has to be coming from the inside on the downswing. As in I’m going to hit contact the ball on my side of the vertical center How is this possible? The only way I can visualize what Cam is saying here AND come from the inside is if I’m going to hit a big push fade. Cheers
If ball position is forward then the club can travel left by the time it’s reaching the ball. You wouldn’t have ball position back to hit a fade for example
The old idea was aim your body where you want it to start and aim the face where you want the ball to finish. It works, but it's not as reliable as someone who hits an on command fade like the top players of today. Their respective fade is miniscule in path and clubface. Those guys hit a 5 yard fade like it's nothing. Hitting a 20 yard fade is easy, Hitting a 5 yard fade is hard. That 5 yard fade goes almost the same distance as a draw
Cameron when I was younger I shot 69 on our course, by cutting everything with a little fade. Now I’m age 77 everyone says I need to drawl my ball. Do you think I should try to cut my shots for more consistency at my age.
Ok 3:50 the player needs to adjust between 5-7 degrees ( that’s one minute on a clock face)... wham, stick goes down 30 degrees open ( stick is at 11.00 on clock face). I know things have to be exaggerated but by 500% ! ?
Address the big loss of distance most amateurs experience with a fade. Generally they'll need to grab 1,2 or even 3 extra clubs to get the desired distance with a fade...depending on conditions.
@@finnobrien7604 It's a valid question that needs to be addressed. Why does a draw go as far as a regular shot or even further, and Im talking carry distance too not roll. Why does a fade lose quite a bit of distance?
@@jimralston4789if you have 34 degrees on a 7 iron and we assume the you make the exact same swing with zero shaft lean (not ideal but easy for illustrating my point), if you hit a fade with a club face one degree open the loft is now 35 degrees, if you hit a draw with the face closed one degree than the loft is 33 degrees. That’s why fades don’t technically travel as far, but in my example the would fly very close to the same distance. But if you opened club face like 8 degrees, now that ball will ballon up into the air and go much shorter than hitting a “straight” ball or a draw.
Great video guys! What a clear way to explain this topic.
Love these videos!
Thanks for the video. I live at a Links apartment a few hours north of Dallas, I play four or five times a week and your videos really help. ⛳✌️
The explanation of tilting spin axis is one I read in Nicklaus’ Golf My Way in the mid-80s. I’ve been shaping my shots ever since.
The most difficult old “hit it straight” habits had to break were not aiming at the + dead center of the ball and coming out of the shot and twisting to look at the landing target, not down the swing path. To break the habits, at the range I would hit 10 balls straight ahead, then change stance and hit 10 balls straight left, grooving my swing on that line. Then finally I would start adjusting the face open in my hands incrementally a few degrees at a time until balls curved back and landed / kicked left to right at the straight line target. Same one-variable-at a time approach with draws.
Not mentioned in this video was the goal for shaping approach shots isn’t the path in the air but rather the spin action on the ball which causes a fade to bounce and roll right / and draw left \. Hitting the shape which matches the longest dimension of the green, and/or edge of green to pin increases the odds of the ball staying on the green.
All good other than the equator of the golf ball would be perpendicular to the ground (and the stick) at 1:25, not parallel to it. In this demonstration, the spin axis was parallel to the stick (a line between the North and South Poles). Cheers - Dave
Thanks for this video. Here’s my question:
I understand that for a RH golfer like myself, to hit a fade I need to have my club face in between my swing path and target.
To use an exaggerated example:
- my target is at 12 o clock
- my swing path is at 10 o clock
- my club face is at 11 o clock
But I’m also told that the path into the ball has to be coming from the inside on the downswing. As in I’m going to hit contact the ball on my side of the vertical center
How is this possible? The only way I can visualize what Cam is saying here AND come from the inside is if I’m going to hit a big push fade.
Cheers
If ball position is forward then the club can travel left by the time it’s reaching the ball. You wouldn’t have ball position back to hit a fade for example
Also, by changing alignment the club can still come from the inside in regard to your set up, but not with regard to target line and face angle
The old idea was aim your body where you want it to start and aim the face where you want the ball to finish. It works, but it's not as reliable as someone who hits an on command fade like the top players of today. Their respective fade is miniscule in path and clubface. Those guys hit a 5 yard fade like it's nothing. Hitting a 20 yard fade is easy, Hitting a 5 yard fade is hard. That 5 yard fade goes almost the same distance as a draw
I can hit a solid 40 yard fade on repeat
@Brandon Lilly lol...yeah me too. It just flies 20 yards shorter than a 5 yard fade.
@@brandonlilly5738 😂
@@brandonlilly5738 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock
Cameron when I was younger I shot 69 on our course, by cutting everything with a little fade. Now I’m age 77 everyone says I need to drawl my ball. Do you think I should try to cut my shots for more consistency at my age.
I hit a natural fade w irons but brain constantly aims at flag so very often ball is short right😮
Is that honma 757 B？
Ok 3:50 the player needs to adjust between 5-7 degrees ( that’s one minute on a clock face)... wham, stick goes down 30 degrees open ( stick is at 11.00 on clock face).
I know things have to be exaggerated but by 500% ! ?
what course is this?
Trinity Forest in Dallas!
Address the big loss of distance most amateurs experience with a fade. Generally they'll need to grab 1,2 or even 3 extra clubs to get the desired distance with a fade...depending on conditions.
I think you just answered your own question 😊
@@swisstrader By using the term amateurs? The question remains...
@@333pg333 by saying they need to grab an extra club or two
@@finnobrien7604 It's a valid question that needs to be addressed. Why does a draw go as far as a regular shot or even further, and Im talking carry distance too not roll. Why does a fade lose quite a bit of distance?
@@jimralston4789if you have 34 degrees on a 7 iron and we assume the you make the exact same swing with zero shaft lean (not ideal but easy for illustrating my point), if you hit a fade with a club face one degree open the loft is now 35 degrees, if you hit a draw with the face closed one degree than the loft is 33 degrees. That’s why fades don’t technically travel as far, but in my example the would fly very close to the same distance. But if you opened club face like 8 degrees, now that ball will ballon up into the air and go much shorter than hitting a “straight” ball or a draw.
Why would I want to fade it when I hit it straight? (Unless trying to go around something)
Stopping power. I'm absolutely sick of losing my balls because of a strong draw
You first need to learn to hit a draw, before trying to hit a fade.