I'm sad. I was born 1952, I remember Disney Movies every Sunday night with Walt being your favorite charming uncle and the REAL (suspending disbelief) Tinkerbell. Then a fun movie, sometimes a series like those about 1920's paperboys / detectives. Ahh, Tink, where are you now?
Drinker just explained what Quinton Tarantino said This is the worst era of movies since cinema began and fuck superhero movies this craze is only been been beaten by the Westerns craze of the 40s to the 70s. But some of those were quality films and classics.
Nah, Last Crusade was the weakest of the four. Raiders is near-perfect; Temple of Doom would have been on par, but Steven Spielberg's wife was annoying. Crystal Skull was pretty good (albeit far weaker in the second half). Last Crusade wasn't very interesting.
If I went back to the 80s and told myself one day there will be an Indiana Jones movie I would never watch. My 80s self would have said. "What kind of Hell am I living!"
Between star wars, back the future and indian jones and much more I can't remember the 80s seems to stand out when it comes to new ideas and creativity of movies and shows than I'd say there was a boom period for scifi movies and series shows that ran from the late 90s to about the early 2010s other than though there really hasn't been anything I like since than though there's been a few exceptions such as the Gotham series show which ran for 5 seasons and the Man in the high castle.
The final scene with Indiana, his dad, Sala, and Markus Brody riding into the sun set and disappearing into the mirage is an amazing and final ending. It was a 'well done boys' kinda moment.
@@purefoldnz3070 Well I hope not for multiple reasons. It is obscene that this is listed as a 300M cost. Then again I dont really beleive that. As Drinker implies with his notions about creative accounting. Not arguing the toss, as much as any movie ever costs what we get told this did cost 300M. Its just fucking ridiculous/offensive.
In the name of the father the son and the Holy Spirit amen. Peace be with you. Ladies and Gentlemen we are gathered here today to celebrate the life and legacy of Indiana Jones. If anybody else like to say a few words about the deceased please step forward.
I wonder how much of that is really hurting Disney. The studios have a way of distancing themselves from the production by making each movie a separate company. Then they earn money with the distribution fees. And then you have tax write-offs and whatnot.
Thing is where the fuck is the money coming from? What business is viable after losing 1 billion in the last 12-24 months ? How much of the family silverware do you want to gamble on the next flop ? I guess as long as the creatives get their 1M paycheck thats all that matters right ? The bankers can make us all pay for disneys failure. After all its our fault for not paying the increasingly expensive cinema ticket price to see everything they churn out twice.
As someone who works in Hollywood, I can tell you Drinker's math is spot-on as is his analysis of corporate thinking. It's that spot in the cycle where independents start cropping up to fill the void left by the holding companies that now run the industry.
I'm amazed by all the geniuses on Twitter & Instagram who keep insisting any movie that earns its budget back is a big success. The dipshittery is unbelievable.
yeah but they have so many different sources of revenue its basicly impossible for them to fail at this point. They could literally all of their movies flop, and theme park and merchandinsing would still keep them afloat.
A Romanian guy at work was talking about videos he liked and in broken English, he described The Drinker. "British guy who plays video of woman saying I smell sh!t, he makes jokes about drink" The Drinker crosses cultural barriers.
Joker movie was shit and good. Shit in terms of Joker great in terms of movie. You can remove Joker and put a unnamed individual not in DC universe but in regular universe and it would be a great film. Nothing changed. However not a lot of people would have gone to watch it there fore it TOOK Joker name as hype to gain that massive success. Knives out is a better example, bullet train another one, parasite also. And they did it without existing IP to hype it.
@@TheXSkitzoI feel the same exact way. Shoe horning the DC universe into the Joker story was unnecessary. The movie could have stood alone without joker or Gotham or Bruce Wayne etc.
Or.. Kathy Kennedy How I Destroyed Lucasfilm in Ten Short Years.. and Loved Doing It... But hey I heard Steven Spielberg say she makes great coffee too bad it didn't carry over to movies.
Yes, and hopefully such a book would also lose money; and I bet her eventual funeral will go way over budget, and her staff will blame people for not showing up...
The funny thing is that Raiders of the Lost Arc was actually based on 1950s B movies from Spielberg's and Lucas' childhood, that's why they decided to make it with a "small" budget
serials both raiders and star wars were made so that audiences could experience what george and steve experienced as kids when they saw the serials in the theater
When I saw them in the theaters originally, I knew that, and that they were stories like I would read in the old pulp fiction and science fiction magazines. (the kind i had to hide from my mother!) ... Light entertainment, thrills for the sake of thrills... escape for the sake of escape. Pull up the popcorn and soda pop "I'm just making this up as I go along!"
The worst part is even if the movie does flop spectacularly, KK and her crew at Lucasfilm won’t learn a damn thing and will continue churning out garbage.
Maybe not. According to Doomcock, and his Hollywood spies, Iger has told that Vile Bitch, that if Indy 5 doesn't turn a profit, she's out on her wrinkled old ass. He's tired of throwing good money after bad, and not seeing a return on it. Disney's stock is lower than WWE, right now. I check WWE because I own it, and it's doing very well for me. I check Disney, so I can laugh at them. So, our most important task now, is to make sure this movie dies a horrid death, at the box office. It may be our last chance to save Lucasfilm. If there's anything left to save.
That is not what the grapevine is whispering. KK's survival may be tied to the success of this movie, and two of her biggest allies within the company, the CFO and the Diversity political commissar, have left or been fired. These were the women that brought down Chapek. KK has shown immeasurable skill in surviving Disney political intrigue, which is probably her only skill, but there comes a time where every politician either throws in the hat or gets ousted from power, no matter how good they are in palace intrigue. And even if she did, Disney is flat out of money to finance her shenanigans. They've got Comcast gunning for them and they need every cent they can get to survive the Hulu assault.
A big problem is also the length. Movies used to be about 1.5 hours on average, which cut a lot of cost and also bloat from bad writers trying to fill time.
Yeah and and let's not forget how the "virus of unspecified origin" only made it worse. Between the mega-inflation, the economic turmoil, the destruction of key education and medical infrastructure and the housing crisis, who really has time to waste over 3 hours and over $30 for one activity?
It's not a problem. Gone with the wind (1939), about four hours long. Amadeus (1984) three hours. And many more. Forest Gump (1994) three hours A Wolf of Wall Street (2013) three hours Dances with wolves (1990) four hours The Green Mile (1999) three hours, Schindler's list (1993) three hours. Sometimes, it can be even four hours long film, and the audience will be thrilled. It's about the quality of everything. Acting, decorations, screenplay, custumes, makeup, camera,... If it's a masterpiece, it's a masterpiece. If it's a crap, it's a crap. A good movie can be short, can be long, it doesn't matter.
@masterlinktm You aren't able to predict in most cases in advance if the film will be a flop, or a hit. But, if you have good actors and actresses, screenplay, costumes, camera,... you very likely will earn at least the budget for the film.
My jaw hit the floor when at the end you mentioned Raiders was made for $60 million in today’s dollars. The big studios have truly lost the plot on how to run a business.
I really wonder where all that money is actually going these days. It certainly isn't going to the people who are on the front line working on the film.
I worked for 10 years as an Electric in the industry, on all sizes of productions, from indy auto-financed experimental films to X-men movies, and the best shoot I’ve ever had was on a 6mil Netflix movie, at it’s beginnings. Everybody was well paid, we had time and ressources to try and do fun stuff. Production didn’t cheap out on anything, but they were well aware of the limits of their budget, all the while being very talkative and creative. By far, it was my most memorable experience, and I wish we’d go back to these simpler times! EDIT: by Beginnings I meant when Netflix started really dishing out content on the streaming platform.
I agree! There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping things low budget! Most movies that I love have simple plots and simple design. Movies like Mad Max Road Warrior is a good example because everything is homemade, many of the actors look like regular people and it has a super simple story. And yet that movie has so much charm and personality even watching it today it is more enjoyable than most big-budget blockbusters. I believe Road Warrior had a budget of 4 million
I remember being bored watching the star wars movies in theaters, then sat at home and got absolutely blown away by a low budget movie called Ex Machina
@jmontes4773 the most logical argument in my head is that low budget *requires* you to get creative, replace money with effort, and use your imagination. Modern budgets are super bloated which let's people be lazy. Farm out 90 million of CGI to some indian/Chinese firm while you sit back, pay some actors to say some things and let someone else do all the legwork for you, then cash in with a beloved IP.
apparently it was Waller Bridge who is now claiming credit for making Indy a broken man and an increased focus on Helena and her backstory. Those were her ideas.
Harrison had an amazing run from 77 to 86. Star Wars, Force 10, Apocalypse Now, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders, Blade Runner, Jedi, Temple Doom, Witness, Mosquito Coast. Every year he had a hit.
@@DachshundDogStarluck19 yes, he was. I think the point is that there was a two-year break between Mosquito Coast and Last Crusade, so it can't be counted as part of the ten-year streak. It's still my favorite of the trilogy.
Heck if they had burned it everyone else's money would have become worth a few fractions of a percent more and would thus have been a better investment.
@berrytreeDid you watch the damn video? He may have overdrawn some points but he really made a statement with it 😂 Edit: He pretty much relied on the fact that we already know what to expect from the movie review (rightly so) so he’s getting an important point across before we forget lol
Indian Jones is like Terminator. Originally conceived as an awesome low budget but high action film that used special effects judiciously. Then after massive success, including sequels, was pushed forward past it's reasonable story's conclusion with massive Special Effects being used in place of good story.
The sad thing is there are thousands of books written that if they were filmed properly would be better than anything we've seen before, but film makers don't want to touch them. They're sitting on a goldmine of ideas and stories but too dumb to even notice. 🤦♂😂
Thousands, really? They used to write good books out of which they made good movies, but I don't know that there are really that many good books anymore.
The problem with modern day Hollywood (or rather one of the many) is that it’s entirely corporate now. The artistic side of filmmaking and scriptwriting is completely gone. Nobody can be creative or original anymore because they have to appease their financial backers, who demand conformity to “THE MESSAGE.”
Forget men over 50, forget misogyny, forget “the message”. Virtually all of these idiots flunked Storytelling 101. Give people a protagonist they can engage with and root for, before to expecting people to waste two irretrievable hours of their lives and their hard earned money to watch a protagonist they are hoping will be killed in the next five minutes.
It's crazy how they don't even know how to do what they're trying to do. They only know how to spend, it seems like. Hence why, in order to earn back more, they spend more. They think they're playing it safe but in reality they're putting all their eggs in one basket; They're doing exactly what they're trying not to do, which is gamble on projects that might not be successful. "Safe" is no longer safe.
DREDD was the opposite of this. Highly planned, and the VFX people helped plan every shot. Super tight shooting and came together perfectly. 🎉 What a shame it wasn't more of a success.
I sometimes wonder that if they hadn't made it R rated but kept the videogame fight scenes, then maybe it would have been a bigger hit with a bigger audience
I love how Deadpool 1 had an estimated budget of $60 million and made $800 million. Movies that show passion, work, creativity and a good story to tell always make money; a good product simply sells, yet the studios seem to miss this point.
yeah, if only all rhe movie producers had crystal balls and could see that something like Deadpool would make so much money when hardly anyone knew who that character was, and there were enough of those awesomely great scripts in the world, with super actors to pull off the roles, all available at the right time, then we'd get a constant nonstop stream of great original movies. why aren't they doing that?
@@perfectallycromulent you know what he meant. The key point being that they only spent 60 million to make it, so even if it didn't do that well they wouldn't lose a ton of money, or at least make a small profit.
You know, it's positively sad because the big budget film *can* exist if they studios make movies people actually want to see. Recent case in point: Top Gun Maverick. Total budget was about $170M. Made $1.5B - nine times its production cost. Why? They gave people what they wanted. It's not that complicated. I swear, Kathleen Kennedy must have pictures of Hollywood people voting Republican. That seems like the only dirt that would allow her keep her job.
Idk when these companies will learn that masculine women are just insufferable to watch on screen. Tom cruise knows how to cast strong FEMININE women. This phoebe Waller girl is just a girl who acts like a dude and it’s annoying af
@@agiksf.8998 First movie: "Movie Wars: The Audience Awakens" Second Movie: "Movie Wars: The Last Blockbuster" Third Movie: "Movie Wars: The Rise of Independent Film"
@@abrahamthebewildered1448 Oh, if only this was the progression. It seems the audience will keep eating dung that the studios serve them. Some idiots go and watch Not-Indy 5. I don't buy the 'It's my morbid curiosity' excuse. Wait a bit and ☠ it, ffs! Don't give these corporate ghouls your money. I stopped going to cinema and switched to K-drama when hollyweird started caring only about making dumb blockbusters that you can only enjoy if you are b r a i n d_e_a_d.
What's really insane when you think about it is there's no reason in the world for this movie to cost this much. Indiana Jones is an old school pulp action hero. This movie should cost half to one third that budget. What you get when you have architects instead of engineers.
I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark and I was surprised at first it even cost $20 million to make, adjusting for inflation. It's a great looking movie, but it took my zoomer brain a minute to remember that they didn't have today's equipment and technology. But then I thought to myself, "shouldn't today's technology make making movies CHEAPER?" I mean, seriously, Everything Everywhere All At Once had a budget of $25 mil, tops, and was was edited by five people at home during the pandemic. And it looks so gorgeous and human! Despite being so overwhelmingly maximalist as well! Nowadays, sci-fi visuals are nauseating and often ugly, done by a team of dead-inside and overworked people and with price tags so ridiculous, you could do a thousand different life and community-changing things with it. And don't get me started on how much money is wasted on unnecessary advertising. I get all the advertising I need from people just talking about stuff online, and I bet many others do as well.
@@Unknown-jt1jo Top Gun Maverick. If the story is good, people will watch. Maybe no one would want to watch on 80 year old Indy Jones film, but my point is that there shouldn't be things even in that film which drives the price to $300M. If that movie was made for $100M, then it only needs to get to $300M before turning a profit.
A lot of that was due to scrapbooking and reshoots though. Kinda hard to stick to a modest budget for a film if you're essentially making two or three.
Agreed. We need more moderately budgeted movies. That’s where the creativity comes from. Limited budgets means creators have to put more into stories, make scripts tighter and more coherent. Also, it incentivizes creators to innovate.
To be fair, it's hard to get better than that. (Though you could argue for either/both The Two Towers and The Return of the King.) And there have been a lot of really good movies in the interim - just not within the past few years.
I remember watching in theaters and enjoying it but thinking...it's good but not great..surely there can be better? I look back and didn't realize just how great it really was.
Indy rode off into the sunset with his father. The End. Luke, Han, Chewie and Lando got medals for saving the Rebel Alliance. The End. Everything after The Trilogies is nothing more than a fever dream, IMO.
Yes, although the Godfather trilogy was only 2 movies. Remember to only watch the original version where Han shot first. Hope you still have your VHS player.
@@davidwilliam9681 I do. I'm old enough to have seen all of them in the theater when they were released, 8 yrs old when Star Wars: A New Hope was released. Changed the world. And that was a dumb argument people made. Han was a smuggler, he knew who Greedo was and why he was there. Of course he shot first.
What amazes me is that I never heard anyone complain about Sean Connory switching his persona through the years from charming action star, to intelligent, grumpy bearded man. But I guess looking at CGI enhanced stars is what we're getting.
He changed his persona over time, from character to character. This is changing a character to fit the times without doing any character work to show that change.
As a movie theatre manager, the avg split between theatre and box office is 50% but the bigger the studio the bigger their cut, I think Disney takes like 80% so that’s why concessions are priced as high as they are, cuz that’s where we make the most money
This right here is exactly why I started making more of a point to buy concessions when I go to the movies. There is something undeniably magical about the theatre experience, and if buying a soda or some popcorn helps keep that magic alive...... Well, I will have a large, please.
That's why I stopped going to the movies entirely. The shameless extortion of charging $20 for 15 cents' worth of popcorn kernels and a little syrup-water just makes me sick. Your 'business model' is not my problem in the same way I don't care about keeping Wendys in business by paying $300 bucks for a hamburger. Apparently millions of other people feel the same, since the whole movie theater concept is just about as dead as the roraty dial telephone.
Absolutely brilliant as always. What we need is another Easy Rider moment where a group of guys make a movie on a shoestring budget and revolutionise the industry.
Or Terminator, Star Wars, Back to the Future...there's so many examples of the good things that happen when you offer artists and talented young directors with vision the scope to deliver their craft, even on small budgets they can deliver BIG.
What would a countercultural independent anti-establishment film phenomenon look like in 2023? What's "happening" in youth culture that's "cool"? And would you even like it? And why would people pay to see it in cinemas? I reckon the next Easy Rider, if there ever is one, won't be playing in cinemas. It'll be on UA-cam, or TikTok or whatever. And we'll all forget about it in a fortnight. I think only a talent like Tarantino or Lynch, who can command a big(ish) budget and major star power, are capable of producing something that will be innovative, rules-breaking and exciting enough to pull a big crowd and capture Hollywood's attention. I guess I could also see some explicit/provocative pan-sexual NC-17 film like a new Caligula. Maybe Cronenberg then.
It’s actually borderline criminal how Disney executives are more concerned with their “Social Credit Score” than they are the wellbeing of their employees and shareholders.
The main shareholders (blackrock, vanguard, ect) are the ones behind it. So good luck there. You're likely funding them if you have a 401k or asset manager.
After him lashing out at fans in multiple twatter meltdowns i have zero sympathy for him. Also, he went out with all the bullshit either on his own decision or by freely agreeing to someone other's. He could have smelled the flop in the making and walked out, he didn't, now it's HIS film, HIS fail and probably HIS career graveyard. Good riddance.
That's why Lucas always financed his movies by himself. The money he made with the first one went into the second one, and so on.That way, he always had full control over the production and the studio couldn't interfere. I may not like most of the decisions he made storywise, regarding the prequels, but I give him credit, that he made sure, no one else could f*ck up his work. I don't blame him, for selling all to Disney. I think he had good faith, that they would honor his legacy. And I think, he regrets his decision by now.
He had faith KK would at least limit the damage. Lucas felt regret almost immediately, well before the desecration even started. To say his faith was misplaced would be an understatement.
@@Sorain1 True, but I still can't blame him. Disney had the potential to turn Star Wars into something truely epic. All they had to do was to pic stories from the EU and turn them into series and movies, The old Republic, the original Thrawn trilogy, all could have worked. The fans would've loved it and Disney would've made a shitload of money. But KK had other plans. I don't know, why she hates George Lucas that much, but she surely does. She's destroyed everything Lucas has created, Star Wars, Willow and now Indiana Jones. Disney baught the license to print money, but they threw it away to pander to the woke twitter mob.
Plus, y'know, 15 years of being called the Antichrist also wore him down to the point of just wanting to wash his hands of it. It is amusing that, only after the Sequel Trilogy came out, people suddenly said "The Prequel Trilogy isn't that bad". George Lucas and Zack Snyder are two of the best examples of people whose works became better in the eyes of the fans once the work was passed on to someone else.
yeah there is an interview that i believe was shortly after 8 released, like within the week. and in it george literally says he basically "sold his children to white slavers" he DEEPLY regrets the sale. i mean the only reason he sold in the first place was to protect the company, because he wanted to do some weird art house stuff and other things that would really just hemorrhage money and he wanted to protect the like 300 employees he had and their jobs, which is why he sold to what had been prior to 2012 a company with a large "vault" of treasured IP's that had been around for decades, so he figured it would be safest there. but its clear he needed to spend some more on some lawyers because he got back stabbed pretty quick. Disney closed lucas arts and fired nearly all the staff within a month.
I've watched more of drinker's reviews in the past 18 months than movies in theater (maybe even new movies in total) in the past 10 years. It's gotten so bad that only after multiple friends confirm "yeah, it's pretty good," will I even think about watching it. Middle-aged me has gotten appreciation for movies made before I was born.
The beginning trilogy played a key role in my movie childhood. I used to watch those 3 over and over again as a kid on vhs. I made the mistake of watching Crystal Skull but I cannot bring myself to watch this I refuse to have those movies tarnished.
Why watch then? I haven’t watched this and never will. I have a million better things to do. You think that sock drawer is gonna sort itself? You think that attic is gonna organise itself?
The real crime here is not a big stinker bomb of a movie or show we can just ignore and pretend doesn't exist. The real crime is that in many cases, this is the last time we can hope to get stars like Harrison Ford, Leonard Nimoy, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Warwick Davis among others to saddle up and reprise roles. They can be recast or perhaps video faked, but the precious, unrecoverable chance for a final authentic performance has been lost. That I can neither forgive nor forget.
The way these films are developed reminds me of an out of control engineering project. Despite how mathematical the subject is designer vision and creative flair, confidence and leadership of the top architect/engineer does have a massive effect on the end result. Being a naval history nerd it reminds me of the development of French battleships in the pre dreadnought era. These were ships engineered by committee and subject to endless bickering and interference by industry and engineers all wanting their pet projects and new techs to go in the latest ship As a result, instead of making a class (think a series) of 3-4 ships of the same design, tweaked here and there like the UK did you’d end up with 4 different designs with different gun calibres, engines, secondary battery layout and dimensions. These ships completed horribly slowly, over budget and often chronically overweight. Every day French dockworkers would go to work with a list if things to build and a list of things to tear out of the unbuilt ship, design revisions ran into the hundreds on each design pardon my nerd out but I can see the parallels between this and Justice League (the movie industry’s meddling terminal case)
I see what you mean. At the end of the day producing a movie can either be a competently run project or a poorly run one. Comparing it to military procurement isn't the worst example.
Combining Wokeist ideology with those Hotels at Sea...what abomination would result? The builders would blame the water (and the "Patriarchy") when the ships would continually sink, no doubt...
Honestly I found Critical Drinker's breakdown on the mounting costs of movies more interesting than anything in the movie itself. Honestly I feel the video game memes of "I want shorter games, that take longer to make, that are cheaper in budget, and I am not kidding" to be applied to movies too at this rate.
well the video game industry does blow films out of the water. it currently makes more than film, music, and television industries combined. and even the biggest budget games are nowhere near movie level. some films spent nearly 1 billion just producing and barely make that back. to compare, highest grossing film ever made was Avatar at 2.9 billion. it cost around 500 million to make, a typical cost for films these days. in contrast genshin impact cost 300 million to make, one of the most expensive games ever produced. and hast current made 3.1 billion. it failed to break into the top 100 highest grossing games of all time. you can also look at how much of a small fry films are compared to games if you look at some companies and brands. of the top 20 highest grossing films ever 11 are owned by disney (easily in first place as far as movie studios go), disney owns star wars, fox, abc, espn, marvel, national geographic and pixar. disney is worth about 40 billion. the single franchise pokemon is worth 90 billion. to put it into a more insane contrast. the asset valuation (the estimated cost to buy the company wholesale and all owned assets based on total worth and potential profit/revenue ) is 209 billion. the asset valuation of nintendo (the perpetual 3rd place behind microsoft and sony) sits at an absolutely insane 6.3 trillion. TLDR: the film industry is an annoying fly compared to the all consuming might of video games. why films even keep bothering when the other medium exists is a mystery.
@@drakesilmore3760 it's too big and too boring. Typical Openworld Actionadventure shit. Not exactly Ubisoftlevel but close enough. It's such a shame when you can see what could have been possible with things like a morality system and dedicated Housequestlines. And a better mainplot. And a protagonist with the personality of a teaspoon. Maybe next time. But propably not.
@@e.corellius4495ep, The Drinker is on top of his game here. If only the franchise was handed over to he and the Fandom Menace? we’d finally be entertained once again, on a fraction of the budget.
Before I ever saw the trailer and noticed a 5th sequel was announced, I immediately knew it was gonna fail, I even guessed the whole "woke female sidekick" thing
There is no need for even A.I. considering how predictable the plots are. We could write these movies but we would ask for money, so activists writing in exchange of "exposure" surely will be the replacement for these writers without real life experience.
@@ReinoldFZ I could make a better movie entirely set in a garage and make it more compelling, it would be a box film about two best friends forced to confront their inner demons, confessing how they've betrayed each corner in one way or another, I guarantee it'll be miles more watchable than this crap and I literally just came up with that plot, just now
I very much enjoyed the movie _Grosse Pointe Blank_ from 1997. A reporter asked John Cusack what it was like working with Disney, and he said "We were spending so little money that nobody cared what we were doing." The movie cost an estimated $15 million to film and made over double that in theatrical release. I enjoyed how really different it was than other movies, and I think it was able to be so different because it didn't cost much to make.
In many parts of life, it is nicer to be the guy on the periphery with far fewer resources than close to the flagpole and having 8000 people looking over your shoulder.
Dan Akroyd is great in that, the general story is great. Like a Blue Collar John Wick Universe. Joan cusack as the secretary is good too, recommend it a lot.
The other poisonous aspect of the cinematic behemoths is they must block book theatre space sometimes before the film is made - even in a big multiplex they occupy half the screens leaving no room for smaller (often better) films to screen
Which is why "Upgrade" was so awesome. Laser focused Indie movie, absolutely perfect Halloween treat. It also had a bugdet of only 3 Million and looks spectacular, especially the VFX. It's insane what you can accomplish when you have a motivated Crew and actors and no bloated story made by a dozen different people.
@@odysseusrex5908Protagonist just means 'main character', so you can definitely have the villain (= bad guy) be the protagonist. Joker, Revenge of the Sith, The Godfather, American Psycho, A Clockwork Orange, Wolf of Wall Street, all these movies feature a criminal or bad person (in varying degrees, some are just frauds, but they're essentially also a villain, only using crime to get an advantage) as the protagonist.
The biggest shame of this movie is not pairing Indy with an older Shortround; an established adopted son character, played by a very talented actor. It only shows that this movie, like a lot of modern movies, have no respect for the established story/ lore/ characters. And would rather ignore it and insert their own characters and ideas. I weep over the emotional feels we could have gotten between an older short round and an aging Indy, after seeing Ke Huy Quan’s emotional acting in Everything Everywhere all at once. It’d be true nostalgia, not nostalgia bait. It’d be short round being us, as we’ve all aged with Indy, reminiscing and thanking him for our adventures together.
What a great & wonderful movie that could have been! Fifty times better than the hypocritical and self-righteous “message” crap that talentless, and might I add financially ignorant studio heads, actors, actresses, writers, directors, and producers keep churning out.
I feel like it's a double edged sword. We have seen how other media often treat their legacy characters... so... while it may seem more enticing to bring back an older character... I dunno what you'd wanna risk more, having another bland new character that won't ever be remembered, or see a character that you adored be turned into some mockery.
The best part of this entire video is his entire breakdown of the tent pole big blockbuster movies. What use to be an event (wait 3-4 years for it to be finished). Is now a yearly thing. The market is so saturated with rushed, poor looking, creativity safe movies that no one cares. I look forward to those smaller to mid level movies that took risks and were actually good. They felt like they were actually carefully crafted. I hope that we get back to those times where blockbusters weren’t expected every quarter and people took risks. Well done drinker!
When I first heard that the title was “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” my initial thoughts were “what, is Indie chasing a magical telephone now?”
Unironically thank you for posting this. All the articles about Little Mermaid saying they spent a combined total of something like 370 million on production and marketing but needs to make 560 million to break even never made sense to me so thank you for breaking it down Barney style.
Disney shills keep quoting that 560 mil figure. It's from an article that misleads by also including hundreds of millions of additional revenue from streaming, VOD, and disc sales.
The way you described the whole "huddled around the embers of a once roaring fire" makes me think of the plot from Dark Souls. Rather than give up the first flame and move on to the next era of life, the God King Gwyn sacrificed himself to keep the dying fire going just to prolong the age of the gods and by doing so; he kept denying the next age's right to exist in a selfish way, which in turn, by prolonging it, made things worse and worse each time they attempt to rekindle the dying flame.
If they had made a great movie, they wouldn't need 150 million to promote it - everyone knows Indiana Jones and word of mouth would soon spread. But if they deliberately made an average at best movie, they need a bigger promotional spend to offset the negative press.
Raiders was THE template all the sequels should've followed. Finished under budget, finished under shooting schedule, and those two pushes were intentional by both Spielberg and Lucas. They knew that this movie about a globe-trotting 1930s archeologist needed to be done on a shoestring, had to be tightly edited, and needed the god's gift of a score from Williams (still the single best adventure theme ever written).
People have no idea how important a good editor is. I attended a class with the editor of the original Star Wars and he showed us a scene with Lucas' cut and then his. Same scene. Totally different effect with only subtle changes.
Harrison Ford is older in this movie (79) than Sean Connery was in Last Crusade (59). As Indiana's father, Connery was old enough to have wisdom and experience, young enough to still go out on adventures, but too old to realistically be involved in fights or anything requiring the strength or agility that seems to always happen in these types of movies. Now imagine someone 20 years older than Indy's father in the movie as the action star. That would be ridiculous even if this were a pre-2016 movie. But this is a current year movie from a studio headed by KK. Nobody is going to enjoy an action movie where the star is as old as Biden.
Things really started to go wrong in 2015 with The Force Awakens. It set the standard for so many Hollywood movies: An unimaginative, soulless imitation of the real thing. And it set the standard, because unfortunately it was succesful I said it back then but many people didn’t understand.
@@chalkandcheese1868RONG 💯 just cause it's "cool" to do the "slam the thing in the past as the cause!" It DOESN'T apply to Phantom Menace. What's the BIGGEST criticisms people have with the prequels? The dialogue and directorial execution. As far as CREATIVITY and IMAGINATION nobody EVER says the prequels lacked that. How many NEW worlds, new characters and new things were introduced? The prequels (which I like despite the shitty dialogue) is NOT the same rehashed imitation of something beat for beat like The Force Awakens was PLUS it was the vision of THE CREATOR OF THE STORY HIMSELF George Lucas so that's the ultimate Trump card of "what's genuine Star Wars" Love it or hate it, Star Wars was MADE by Lucas back then when it was HIS stories
In my mind for the past so many years has been: "Why do they make so much garbage, couldn't be worse unless they are really trying to make garbage." and "Why not hire some fan of these genres to write the stories?" Your explanation makes a lot of sense why.
It also explains why Tom Cruise can still make good movies. Too many fingers in the pie and too much dedication to nu tech has spoiled many enterprises even outside of movies. It's still possible to put all your trust in one competent person and get fantastic things done... but it requires trust which is in short supply these days.
I think what a lot of these movies need is a director with a strong vision who is willing to accept criticism. Not five to ten people trying to all do their own thing. You need one person with skill and control but who is more than happy to consider what might be wrong with the film. We keep seeing either directors surrounded by yes men or directors with no control and tons of people making demands. No in between
@@destinyhntr Yea can you imagine a Hitchcock, Leone, Kubrick, etc., movie being made by a comity (worse a comity of idiots) instead? Need to go back to "Here, you make great movies people want to see. Here is N dollars to make it."
When he actually reviews it, he could save all of us some time: “You know…Phoebe Waller-Bridge. (Puking dwarf clip) That’s all I’ve got for today. Go away now.”
This was one of the first movie series my father and I watched together. It’s a shame to see this franchise go down hill. At least I’ll have the memories.
I miss the look of a great action movie without cgi and practical effects instead. Was just rewatching the Indiana Jones movies and they hold up so much better than many films today. When can we get back to simple but with still having good story telling?
Because writing is awful these days. You should watch some films made in the 40's and 50's. The writing is witty, sometimes profound, sometimes shocking, sometimes heartfelt and always intelligent. The writers back then read great works of literature and knew how to tell a story and write great dialogue. That's what I've noticed. Shitty writing dominates movies now.
@@catherinelw9365 A few years ago I went through a spree of watching old B/W 1930-1950's films. Although I am 46 now, which means I grew up watching many of classical films, was almost shocked and in disbelief how good and skillful and brave and open (considering The Code) those movies were. On average, the fare far above modern movies in every aspect, even including special effects.
Buster Keaton nailed it when he said, "Don't ever try to fake a gag." While some of his gags were helped along by special effects, his best gags were for real. Jackie Chan, who was inspired by Keaton, follows that pattern in his action movies. When then-93-year-old Dick van Dyke danced on a table top in the sequel to "Mary Poppins," theater audiences actually applauded. People can spot a fake and they're more impressed by the real thing.
I like that before he started speaking about the Superhero genre, his description of Indiana Jones movies could have just as easily be a description of Star Wars.
Ironically, my parents hated Disney in the 80s, bc they saw it as a soulless capitalistic company that made profit out of childhood stories by pressing them into a pattern.
Yep they took stories that were ages old and part of common culture and copyrighted them all while lobbying Congress to extend copyright laws to absurd levels today well over 100 years if I recall
Hey Professor Drinker, this was a really good review on how the movie industry works. I didn't know this, as I'm just a casual movie goer. Thanks for the lesson. 👌🏽
I love that they pander to the vocal twitter minority, as it just means failure after failure and accelerates the inevitable downfall of studios like Disney. I still have no doubt though that Kathleen Kennedy will still be around, those skeletons she clearly has from peoples' closets need to stay hidden as long as possible.
It's shocking that it's making that much, but there are plenty of Woke and Colored people in the world who feel included and will pay to see this stuff, is why they continue to make more of these
Bill Simmons wrote about this over 10 years ago in comparing what was happening in Hollywood and American professional sports. Both industries started brining in Ivy League business types to run things and got rid of movie people and sports people so that more money could be made. In baseball it led to the boring "three true outcomes" style of playing. Strike out, walk, or hit a home run. A boring style of play except for the home run. Movies are much the same, you go for the safest possible outcomes by repeatedly creating bland trash but it eventually alienates the audiences who actually care about film.
@cirothecarius - great comment! I've been told I'm weird for saying my 12-year-old nephew's baseball game is way more exciting than watching a major league game for that very reason. 😂
The minute studios were taken over by holding companies, the executives who worked in Hollywood because they loved movies suddenly had to answer to some guy on Wall Street.
6:50 This actually reminds me of something. I was watching Pointless Hub’s review of the original 2008 Transformers movie. He talked about how he was surprised how much Michael Bay used practical set pieces and was considered the epitome of corporate greed in Hollywood. Now, his use of practical would be seen as strange. How films have changed
Some of the most fun movie experiences I've had in recent years were watching cheesy old kung fu and kaiju movies, low budget horror and 80s action movies with my friends. To me watching a guy in a rubber suit stomping on miniatures for 90 minutes was more fun and entertaining than looking at a bunch of overpaid actors making bad jokes in front of a giant tablet for 3 hours.
Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person that would rather watch anything *except* Groundhog Day. Watching it once was a boring enough of an experience
For what it's worth, Indy 5 wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. It did play out close to what I expected, but I ended up enjoying it more than Crystal Skull (low bar, I know).
It was a fun movie for what it was. Way better than Crystal Skull, but definitely not the movie it could have been. I spent 4 dollars on a ticket and I felt I got 4 dollars of entertainment from it. Not the ending Indy deserved, but the one he got.
My husband and I watched it yesterday and we both liked it. I don't know what the fuss / disappointment is about. Yes, the protagonist is very human, but he's an old man most of the film and yet he always is the hero. I don't know what more the viewers want.
This spike in the cost of making media has been hitting gaming too. Everyone is so obsessed with making the next big thing that they spend incredible amounts of money and practically bankrupt themselves in the process. And every time one of those games under-performs, or releases broken it runs the risk of breaking the studio that made it. Entertainment media is going to spend itself into oblivion if this keeps up.
Indeed, is the end conclusion of enterteinment, videogames, cartoons even anime is going that way, and ends like that, is so ironic, that, they sink under its own weigth and the audience telling them we dont need so much crap
And the tech is apparently (not really, but they allege it) so expensive that consoles and games are expensive as shit. $500 for a PS5 could be worse, but then you need a game to play on it, and all of those cost $70. All of this for games that are visually near-indistinguishable from PS4 games. Like, yeah, they look *better* in the strictest of senses, but not by enough to justify the money that goes into making them, or the money I'm expected to pay to receive them. I'm just not that bothered by mildly blocky shadows.
I have an idea for a game, know how to make it, and I came to the conclusion that the 6 months of real work with the 2 and a half years of debugging and support afterwards at about 20 hours a week for a game that would gross at most $1 million over a decade wasn't worth it, because after paying for the artist and music, and then the distributing platform taking its cut, and then taxes I would get at most $100,000 of that. Far less than I could earn over that same amount of time working for someone else.
@@xSilentZeroXxMeanwhile, Microsoft says "almost every major release on our platform is a combined $15 to play day 1" And yet it ain't sinking them. Makes you think
@@xSilentZeroXx and the worst part nothing, change, because, people applaudm look street figther 6 , is barely a strett figther and yet people love it, the same FF16, and yet they applaud, so nothing will change, here top gun Maverick, Joker, all win money and no, they keep with the bs
I honestly didn't hate Crystal Skull. It was dumb and unneeded, but I thought it gave Indy a nice ending to his story. He married his true love and got to be in his son's life.
I liked all the past Indiana jones movies though I prefer binging on a series show because it helps fill more time which is I liked the young Indiana jones chronicles more along with other series shows.
I'm sorry but no one is gonna convince me that i can survive a nuclear detonation inside a flying refrigerator. Suspension of disbelief can only go so far without the assistance of controlled substances.
issue is, usually the one place where that is not the main skillset, is a creative place, lol. if anything, it is essential for a creative industry or company to have edgy, crazy dudes who speak up and complain. Otherwise, mediocrity and complacency take hold.
My far left liberal women co workers said little mermaid is kicking butt at the box office. 500 million worldwide, 250 to make, 150 marketing, so it'd need 800 million worldwide with the distributer fee?
Yeah - a very important remark! Don't leave those creeps a single buck! Don't poison your minds and hearts by watching Disney movies, not even on streaming, let alone in cinema! Drinker's/Nerdrotic's reviews are enough...Just watch woke Hollywood burn from a safe distance!
Already figured out how to get around them. When the kids brings up the toy from a happy meal or a TV ad go "sounds like it could it could have been a good movie" and they assume it's not a movie and forget about it. Never have to tell a single lie.
@@Zed-fq3ljwhat if I like going to the movie because it’s fun entertainment and I don’t take it so seriously like it’s a literal matter of life and death?
In the mid-nineties, when movies like True Lies broke the ceiling with a budget of more than $100M, people were asking how the studios would get their money back. Well, a couple of these mega blockbusters actually made a profit. However, we will see if part 5 of this movie franchise can reach this incredible high bar.
@@DelMarMarinaCampPendleton Well, they already did a TV series remake some time ago. Didn't watch it, but I bet modern Harry's wife is somehow more competent than he is.
Can't say it enough: Hollywood has lost touch and doesn't care about its customers. Disney's original stock-in-trade was the goofy, low budget family film that you saw in the drive in, with the family, on Saturday night. It wasn't political, the product was lighthearted and fun, and families looked forward to Disney's next release. Current Disney movies are cringy, tedious, fake and bloated. Plus LucasFilm fired Gina Carano. I'll pass.
I would be reluctant to watch it if someone paid me...being accused of being a "phobe" or "ist" if I dislike a lousy product is certainly no incentive...
Honestly I feel it’s glorious and sad that we are living in a time where we are watching our favorite franchises just get systematically burned by studios who are trying to spread THE MESSAGE and simply making terrible stories. RIP Indy.
Right? It's very sad that our most beloved stories must be killed in the blast radius that of the meteoric downfall of Disney and other studios like them.
Movies aren't shitty because of THE MESSAGE. They're shitty because of how the movie industry has evolved in the past 15 years (due to competition from digital media). The industry is dominated by huge blockbusters, plus sequels to existing franchises. These movies are big, expensive, and CGI-heavy. They depend heavily on the international box office, which means they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator. All of this leads to studios becoming risk-averse, which means they churn out the same big, boring movie again and again. It's about economics. Not woke-ism.
An extra spin is that what a movie studio or executives might think is 'playing it safe' actually means doing what they *think* is the safest. Hollywood's disconnect with what a majority of audiences actually want leads them to either follow their own echo-chamber of ideas or to follow the latest social media signals.
There's a 2011 Norwegian movie by the name of "Headhunters". Its budget was less than $4 million US. It's a great movie. It really delivers. The writing hits the spot and the plot twists just (chef's kiss). A movie doesn't have to have a huge budget. It doesn't have to be full of names that you recognize. It doesn't even have to be in a language that you understand. It has to be an interesting story well told... Fin.
Matt Damon made a good case for why the loss of DVD sales means that studios need to pour a metric ton of extra cash into promotion so their movies do great during releases, because they're not getting a second influx when releasing them on discs anymore
Idk, I see blurays selling out constantly still. If a movie isn't selling out on DVDs/bluray that means it's just ass. So rather than doubling efforts on promotion, just make an actual decent film.
@@emiami458 I guess, but the point is he was discussing why he couldn't risk putting his money behind productions that 'might' do well, which is why so many studios rely on old IP reboots because they can count on getting butts in seats
@@emiami458love ad hominems man, how people put their biases about a certain actor or some skill mettle on their eyes as a sort of truth validity filter of whatever they say or point out is realistic based on a 180° completely unrelated context. One of the most absolute moronic things some people for some reason like to do as a form of criticism
something interesting this reminded me of is a movie called the blair witch project having a budget of around 30k and making around 250 mil in box office.
Terminator 2 was released at $100 million in 1991. There were a few movie studios gone the same route of "big budget" thinking or hoping for a bigger hit than T2. Drinker gave us a finance course in film.
@@steviegbcool Even so, box office is usually the main money maker, and the idea that Indy 5 will eventually make the hundreds of millions it needs back through DVD is ludicrous.
Or an even better example is Terminator (1984) - a movie that no one believed in, which was planned by the studio as a passing horror under halloween (not the summer season of big blockbusters) With a ridiculously small budget of $6,400,000 even at that time ! earned $78,371,200 ! ! !
Everything everywhere all at once is a perfect exemple of a studio trusting talented filmakers to make a creative movie with a small budget...7 oscars.
Should have mentioned that for summer blockbusters the studios often get *way* more than 50% of the first week to the first three weeks. Which is why studios push so hard for people to see the films right away. Theaters prefer sleeper hits because they get to keep most of the ticket prices after the first month.
Also, studios get way less than 50% of international grosses. I've read that it's only 15%. That and your point mostly cancel each other out when domestic and international grosses are roughly equal, so estimating that they get 50% of the total gross is probably close enough, but, yeah, it's technically more complex than that.
@Osprey850 great point .. Google says: "How is movie ticket revenue split? However, the movie studio usually gets 60% of the proceeds from American box offices or anywhere from 20% - 40% overseas. This depends on the film distribution arrangements, agreements, and other costs associated with foreign distribution. Theaters receive the remaining 40%." And here is the other quote, "the cinemas outright keep 50% of ticket sales (after subtracting the house nut) it works in a sliding scale that drops week-on-week (i.e 80% goes to distributor and 20% goes to cinema in week 1, 75% goes to the distributor and 25% goes to the cinema on week 2, etc)." Studios want everyone to buy tickets and see the movie the first week. That's why they induce / force cinemas to show movies on so many screens. Finally, exceptional movies get exceptional deals. Endgame got 90% to 95% of the first week and it slid down from there according to leaks from industry insiders.
@@macmcleod1188 Good info. Thanks. So maybe they get more than the 15% of international grosses that I read somewhere, but 30% on average still balances out a lot of the domestic percentage. That and your point are both why the domestic takes matter a lot more when it comes to profitability.
@Osprey850 I really like movies in cinemas but I really do not like most movies being released today. Heck, I do not like most TV shows. "The good place" was my last modern favorite.
@@macmcleod1188 Same. I watch so many movies and shows that feel mediocre to me just to occasionally discover the rare ones that I really like. In fact, I recently went a couple of months without seeing a movie that I really liked until last night, when I checked out The Covenant on the Drinker's recommendation. It's such a relief to finally find something that I enjoy.
I must openly admit that for the first time, I'm very impressed by Disney's generosity - to lightly spend 300 million to achieve a spectacular failure... Not everyone can afford such extravagance! :)
I'm more entertained by Disney's self-destruction than the actual garbage that they are putting out there.
Hell ya! If Disney was a boat, it'd be the Titanic- but sinking wayyy slower.
@@Goats_ Or the "Titan"...
I always go to Clownfish TV for my Daily Dose of Dismal Disney. ;)
I'm sad. I was born 1952, I remember Disney Movies every Sunday night with Walt being your favorite charming uncle and the REAL (suspending disbelief) Tinkerbell. Then a fun movie, sometimes a series like those about 1920's paperboys / detectives.
Ahh, Tink, where are you now?
Drinker just explained what Quinton Tarantino said This is the worst era of movies since cinema began and fuck superhero movies this craze is only been been beaten by the Westerns craze of the 40s to the 70s. But some of those were quality films and classics.
Indiana Jones is a perfect trilogy. The franchise ended after _The Last Crusade_ as far as I'm concerned. Anything after that doesn't exist.
& there are only *3* seasons of Arrested Development
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull wasn't as bad as the redditors want you to think.
Nah, Last Crusade was the weakest of the four. Raiders is near-perfect; Temple of Doom would have been on par, but Steven Spielberg's wife was annoying. Crystal Skull was pretty good (albeit far weaker in the second half). Last Crusade wasn't very interesting.
@@mournblade1066 Bro hook me up with what ever you are smoking
Just like how Star Wars ended after 6 movies
If I went back to the 80s and told myself one day there will be an Indiana Jones movie I would never watch. My 80s self would have said. "What kind of Hell am I living!"
If you go back in time you should NEVER try to contact yourself, causality loops et all.
@@skudzer1985 if I went back in time I wouldn't leave that's for sure
1980s Self: Then tell me "future boy" , who's producing Indiana Jones in 2023?
Between star wars, back the future and indian jones and much more I can't remember the 80s seems to stand out when it comes to new ideas and creativity of movies and shows than I'd say there was a boom period for scifi movies and series shows that ran from the late 90s to about the early 2010s other than though there really hasn't been anything I like since than though there's been a few exceptions such as the Gotham series show which ran for 5 seasons and the Man in the high castle.
Same. I made the mistake of watching Crystal Skull. Learned my lesson.
The final scene with Indiana, his dad, Sala, and Markus Brody riding into the sun set and disappearing into the mirage is an amazing and final ending. It was a 'well done boys' kinda moment.
When he took a drink, not knowing but reasonably confident that it was right......fucking gol
now the final image is a washing line. Now let that sink in lmao.
You think Disney wont make another ? Seems bolted on to me at this stage. Unless Ford dies first.
@@daviddines479 not after this bombs hard. How this cost $300m is beyond me.
@@purefoldnz3070 Well I hope not for multiple reasons. It is obscene that this is listed as a 300M cost. Then again I dont really beleive that. As Drinker implies with his notions about creative accounting. Not arguing the toss, as much as any movie ever costs what we get told this did cost 300M. Its just fucking ridiculous/offensive.
In the name of the father the son and the Holy Spirit amen. Peace be with you. Ladies and Gentlemen we are gathered here today to celebrate the life and legacy of Indiana Jones. If anybody else like to say a few words about the deceased please step forward.
Indy.. was a good man with a good heart. May he and the franchise rest in peace 😢
His last deed will hopefully be the downfall of KK
Indiana Jones was one of many amazing icons and now he has been reduced to a husk, and it pains me to see him like this.
If this is Nick from THS... I hope all is well brotha
He was so many people’s absolute favorite character. How could this be what they do to such amazing things
I read that disney has lost close to a billion dollars on their last 8 movies. Can't wait to see how much this movie adds to that
I wonder how much of that is really hurting Disney. The studios have a way of distancing themselves from the production by making each movie a separate company. Then they earn money with the distribution fees. And then you have tax write-offs and whatnot.
Just curious
What are the names of those 8 movies?
@@gianpaguiligan1358Just look up what their last 8 movies released are, dont be lazy.
Thing is where the fuck is the money coming from? What business is viable after losing 1 billion in the last 12-24 months ? How much of the family silverware do you want to gamble on the next flop ? I guess as long as the creatives get their 1M paycheck thats all that matters right ? The bankers can make us all pay for disneys failure. After all its our fault for not paying the increasingly expensive cinema ticket price to see everything they churn out twice.
@@nogoodgod4915 It's the responsibility of the guy making the statement to back up his findings. : )
I'm more enthusiastic and excited about Drinker's commentary on these movies than I am about the actual movies.
I always watch one, so I don't have to watch the other one.
ALOT more, since enthusiasm for the releases is at a solid ZERO
As someone who works in Hollywood, I can tell you Drinker's math is spot-on as is his analysis of corporate thinking. It's that spot in the cycle where independents start cropping up to fill the void left by the holding companies that now run the industry.
so basically 90% of these films that have been coming out the past few years have been flopping hard?
I'm amazed by all the geniuses on Twitter & Instagram who keep insisting any movie that earns its budget back is a big success. The dipshittery is unbelievable.
What do you do in Hollywood?
My uncle works at Nintendo, so I know what you mean
Why would marketing be 50% of budget, shouldn’t it be a flat figure?
Disney literally keeps setting themselves up for failure….and it’s glorious to watch it happen
100% agree. Its actually fun.
@@AchtungEnglander It's the only popcorn worthy thing about Disney these days! 🍿
Rome didn't fall in a day, and this is more entertaining then their products.
Well same thing was said about little mermaid but it's already approaching $500 million it's June not December 🤷
yeah but they have so many different sources of revenue its basicly impossible for them to fail at this point. They could literally all of their movies flop, and theme park and merchandinsing would still keep them afloat.
Imagine directly working with Stephen Spielberg for decades and not learning a damn thing.
I don't know why she survived under them...why they didn't shit can the bitch years ago...
Imagine directly working with Stephen Spielberg for decades and the whole time thinking they could do it better.
Murland
Imagine directly working with George Lucas for decades and not learning a damn thing.
@@masondegaulle5731Underrated comment.
A Romanian guy at work was talking about videos he liked and in broken English, he described The Drinker. "British guy who plays video of woman saying I smell sh!t, he makes jokes about drink" The Drinker crosses cultural barriers.
The drinker is a treasure to behold
Indeed he does, however probably wise to remember never call a Scotsman british...
How cringe you made this up for likes !
maybe you’re working with Vee but he’s speaking in broken English as a disguise
Because the Drinker is a living legend.
Joker was a great example. Smaller budget, smaller scale, but good acting and writing. It sailed to massive profit.
JOKER was Amazing. A top Notch Film
Joker movie was shit and good. Shit in terms of Joker great in terms of movie. You can remove Joker and put a unnamed individual not in DC universe but in regular universe and it would be a great film. Nothing changed. However not a lot of people would have gone to watch it there fore it TOOK Joker name as hype to gain that massive success.
Knives out is a better example, bullet train another one, parasite also. And they did it without existing IP to hype it.
@@TheXSkitzoI feel the same exact way. Shoe horning the DC universe into the Joker story was unnecessary. The movie could have stood alone without joker or Gotham or Bruce Wayne etc.
@@TheXSkitzo Joker is basically a comic book *Taxi* *Driver,* *King* *of* *Comedy.* It only gets praised because of Phoenix.
District 9 too, holy fuck that thing is mythical to anyone between 30-40 yrs old, like holy shit, member that film?
'Destined To Flop: My Story' could be Kathleen Kennedy's memoir at this point.
Or.. Kathy Kennedy How I Destroyed Lucasfilm in Ten Short Years.. and Loved Doing It... But hey I heard Steven Spielberg say she makes great coffee too bad it didn't carry over to movies.
from fluffer to flopper: the kathleen kennedy story
More like, _"One Womans Success! Despite America's Racist, Sexist, Misogynistic, Chauvinist and Toxically Masculine Audiences"_
I wonder if Phoebe and Daisy have started to hear "You chose poorly" in their nightmares?
Yes, and hopefully such a book would also lose money; and I bet her eventual funeral will go way over budget, and her staff will blame people for not showing up...
The funny thing is that Raiders of the Lost Arc was actually based on 1950s B movies from Spielberg's and Lucas' childhood, that's why they decided to make it with a "small" budget
the same B movies that would be considered waycis and sex cis today
serials
both raiders and star wars were made so that audiences could experience what george and steve experienced as kids when they saw the serials in the theater
When I saw them in the theaters originally, I knew that, and that they were stories like I would read in the old pulp fiction and science fiction magazines. (the kind i had to hide from my mother!) ... Light entertainment, thrills for the sake of thrills... escape for the sake of escape. Pull up the popcorn and soda pop
"I'm just making this up as I go along!"
..flying wings and Type VII Uboats....YUP cheap stuff indeed 😛
^EDIT: YES-yeeees....we never saw it fly. I KNOW!
Look up "Secret of the Incas," the Charlton Heston flick which directly inspired Raiders. I think it's even on UA-cam. =^[.]^=
The worst part is even if the movie does flop spectacularly, KK and her crew at Lucasfilm won’t learn a damn thing and will continue churning out garbage.
their goal is pushing an agenda, not making money.
Maybe not. According to Doomcock, and his Hollywood spies, Iger has told that Vile Bitch, that if Indy 5 doesn't turn a profit, she's out on her wrinkled old ass. He's tired of throwing good money after bad, and not seeing a return on it. Disney's stock is lower than WWE, right now. I check WWE because I own it, and it's doing very well for me. I check Disney, so I can laugh at them. So, our most important task now, is to make sure this movie dies a horrid death, at the box office. It may be our last chance to save Lucasfilm. If there's anything left to save.
That is not what the grapevine is whispering. KK's survival may be tied to the success of this movie, and two of her biggest allies within the company, the CFO and the Diversity political commissar, have left or been fired. These were the women that brought down Chapek. KK has shown immeasurable skill in surviving Disney political intrigue, which is probably her only skill, but there comes a time where every politician either throws in the hat or gets ousted from power, no matter how good they are in palace intrigue. And even if she did, Disney is flat out of money to finance her shenanigans. They've got Comcast gunning for them and they need every cent they can get to survive the Hulu assault.
That's the best part.
agreed. they'll never dump KK b/c she's a woman; and she'll always get paid.
A big problem is also the length. Movies used to be about 1.5 hours on average, which cut a lot of cost and also bloat from bad writers trying to fill time.
Yeah and and let's not forget how the "virus of unspecified origin" only made it worse. Between the mega-inflation, the economic turmoil, the destruction of key education and medical infrastructure and the housing crisis, who really has time to waste over 3 hours and over $30 for one activity?
It's not a problem.
Gone with the wind (1939),
about four hours long.
Amadeus (1984) three hours.
And many more.
Forest Gump (1994) three hours
A Wolf of Wall Street (2013) three hours
Dances with wolves (1990)
four hours
The Green Mile (1999)
three hours,
Schindler's list (1993)
three hours.
Sometimes, it can be even four hours long film, and the audience will be thrilled.
It's about the quality of everything.
Acting, decorations, screenplay,
custumes, makeup, camera,...
If it's a masterpiece,
it's a masterpiece.
If it's a crap,
it's a crap.
A good movie can be short,
can be long,
it doesn't matter.
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo
Even T2 won four Oscars.
@@miroslavseda9136 You named exceptions. Any point you have attempted to make is meaningless.
@masterlinktm
You aren't able to predict in most cases in advance if the film will be a flop,
or a hit.
But, if you have good actors and actresses, screenplay, costumes,
camera,...
you very likely will earn at least the budget for the film.
My jaw hit the floor when at the end you mentioned Raiders was made for $60 million in today’s dollars. The big studios have truly lost the plot on how to run a business.
And it still looks great. I rewatched it a couple of days ago.
They havent lost the plot, they are just following an agenda from the rulers.
It's all about money laundering.
I really wonder where all that money is actually going these days. It certainly isn't going to the people who are on the front line working on the film.
I wonder (((who))) could be pocketing the money, and then also collecting the loans...
I worked for 10 years as an Electric in the industry, on all sizes of productions, from indy auto-financed experimental films to X-men movies, and the best shoot I’ve ever had was on a 6mil Netflix movie, at it’s beginnings.
Everybody was well paid, we had time and ressources to try and do fun stuff. Production didn’t cheap out on anything, but they were well aware of the limits of their budget, all the while being very talkative and creative.
By far, it was my most memorable experience, and I wish we’d go back to these simpler times!
EDIT: by Beginnings I meant when Netflix started really dishing out content on the streaming platform.
I agree! There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping things low budget! Most movies that I love have simple plots and simple design. Movies like Mad Max Road Warrior is a good example because everything is homemade, many of the actors look like regular people and it has a super simple story. And yet that movie has so much charm and personality even watching it today it is more enjoyable than most big-budget blockbusters.
I believe Road Warrior had a budget of 4 million
can u tell the movie's name?
I remember being bored watching the star wars movies in theaters, then sat at home and got absolutely blown away by a low budget movie called Ex Machina
@jmontes4773 the most logical argument in my head is that low budget *requires* you to get creative, replace money with effort, and use your imagination. Modern budgets are super bloated which let's people be lazy. Farm out 90 million of CGI to some indian/Chinese firm while you sit back, pay some actors to say some things and let someone else do all the legwork for you, then cash in with a beloved IP.
You were an electric? How do I become an electric? Do I need some lightning?
Kathleen Kennedy: "Prepare for trouble!"
Phoebe Waller-Bridge: "And make it double!"
Team Racket is blasting off...
If there is no more place in hell, wokeness shall walk the earth instead.
From the witches' chant:
"Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble."
This one needs to be pinned
apparently it was Waller Bridge who is now claiming credit for making Indy a broken man and an increased focus on Helena and her backstory. Those were her ideas.
Harrison had an amazing run from 77 to 86.
Star Wars, Force 10, Apocalypse Now, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders, Blade Runner, Jedi, Temple Doom, Witness, Mosquito Coast.
Every year he had a hit.
Wait what? What about 1989's The Last Crusade? Harrison Ford was fantastic in that movie!
@@DachshundDogStarluck19 yes, he was. I think the point is that there was a two-year break between Mosquito Coast and Last Crusade, so it can't be counted as part of the ten-year streak. It's still my favorite of the trilogy.
Christ, the Drinker’s lists of things they could have spent $300 million on was depressing as hell.
Heck if they had burned it everyone else's money would have become worth a few fractions of a percent more and would thus have been a better investment.
@berrytreei think it's so bad that he decided to use it ss yet another example of the rehash and reboot phase of Disney/LucasFilm.
@berrytreeDid you watch the damn video? He may have overdrawn some points but he really made a statement with it 😂
Edit: He pretty much relied on the fact that we already know what to expect from the movie review (rightly so) so he’s getting an important point across before we forget lol
Depressing as hell so far!
The hospitals & water would be nice.
Indian Jones is like Terminator. Originally conceived as an awesome low budget but high action film that used special effects judiciously. Then after massive success, including sequels, was pushed forward past it's reasonable story's conclusion with massive Special Effects being used in place of good story.
Terminator 2 is one of the only sequels to be better than the first instalment.
@@oldmate86 I liked the first one. It was much more darker and scarier than 2.
Indiana Jones never really had a "reasonable story's conclusion" though. Every original movie was a self-contained story.
@@m.n.s.s2825 That's true of Alien as well, but to each his own.
I will maintain until the day I die, and then into the resurrection, that Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a very good movie.
The sad thing is there are thousands of books written that if they were filmed properly would be better than anything we've seen before, but film makers don't want to touch them. They're sitting on a goldmine of ideas and stories but too dumb to even notice. 🤦♂😂
...Until those filmed books become franchises and cinematic universes then we're back to square one again.
It’s not that they are dumb. It’s executive hubris.
I’ve a title so I’m “auto-great” in all I say and do.
Thousands, really? They used to write good books out of which they made good movies, but I don't know that there are really that many good books anymore.
It’s called Anime…
They’re not dumb. It’s intentional.
The problem with modern day Hollywood (or rather one of the many) is that it’s entirely corporate now. The artistic side of filmmaking and scriptwriting is completely gone. Nobody can be creative or original anymore because they have to appease their financial backers, who demand conformity to “THE MESSAGE.”
More importantly, there is no singular vision. You can only get creativity when there is a singular vision.
Then they just need to go bankrupt... which they will if their products keep losing money.
Forget men over 50, forget misogyny, forget “the message”. Virtually all of these idiots flunked Storytelling 101. Give people a protagonist they can engage with and root for, before to expecting people to waste two irretrievable hours of their lives and their hard earned money to watch a protagonist they are hoping will be killed in the next five minutes.
@@kathychatterton5623 “the message” is why they have their positions. All the people that don't go along with “the message” are "let go."
It's crazy how they don't even know how to do what they're trying to do. They only know how to spend, it seems like. Hence why, in order to earn back more, they spend more. They think they're playing it safe but in reality they're putting all their eggs in one basket; They're doing exactly what they're trying not to do, which is gamble on projects that might not be successful. "Safe" is no longer safe.
DREDD was the opposite of this. Highly planned, and the VFX people helped plan every shot. Super tight shooting and came together perfectly. 🎉 What a shame it wasn't more of a success.
Also good story and no political messages.
The effects in that movie are glorious. Goes to show that money can't make up for genuine time and passion.
Dredd deserved so much more success than what it got
I loved that movie and I sometimes sad that there weren't many sequels. But then we get a sequel like Indy 5 and the sad goes away.
I sometimes wonder that if they hadn't made it R rated but kept the videogame fight scenes, then maybe it would have been a bigger hit with a bigger audience
I love how Deadpool 1 had an estimated budget of $60 million and made $800 million. Movies that show passion, work, creativity and a good story to tell always make money; a good product simply sells, yet the studios seem to miss this point.
And Deadpool 3 is one of the few moviesI’m actually excited about
Deadpool was ass though
yeah, if only all rhe movie producers had crystal balls and could see that something like Deadpool would make so much money when hardly anyone knew who that character was, and there were enough of those awesomely great scripts in the world, with super actors to pull off the roles, all available at the right time, then we'd get a constant nonstop stream of great original movies. why aren't they doing that?
@@perfectallycromulent you know what he meant. The key point being that they only spent 60 million to make it, so even if it didn't do that well they wouldn't lose a ton of money, or at least make a small profit.
@@divinecomedian2 that sucks, it must be tough having ass taste lol
There was a time in history when Indiana Jones was peak action cinema...
As opposed to adventure cinema?
I would be curious to know if there was a time in history when Harrison Ford wasn't a grouchy Ass-wipe.
There was also a time in history when going to the movies cost only 50 cents , , and when white actors put makeup on to play Indians , so please stop
@@SirBlackReeds Is action opposed to adventure? I'd say it was action-adventure.
Hollywood: "rich people should use their money to stop world hunger and help the poor"
Also Hollywood: *makes expensive movies*
You know, it's positively sad because the big budget film *can* exist if they studios make movies people actually want to see. Recent case in point: Top Gun Maverick. Total budget was about $170M. Made $1.5B - nine times its production cost. Why? They gave people what they wanted. It's not that complicated.
I swear, Kathleen Kennedy must have pictures of Hollywood people voting Republican. That seems like the only dirt that would allow her keep her job.
Even there, that budget is half what routine Hollywood movies are spending. The little Mermaid was up above 250 million, wasn't it?
Idk when these companies will learn that masculine women are just insufferable to watch on screen. Tom cruise knows how to cast strong FEMININE women. This phoebe Waller girl is just a girl who acts like a dude and it’s annoying af
I swear you are correct. She must have 😂😂😂
Top Gun Maverick is part of the problem because its success enabled the industry-wide arrested development.
@@PurpleMusicProductions You both think too small.
Disney’s demise IS the summer blockbuster we all wanted and boy did they deliver 😂
'The death of the corporate giant' - a movie we are all waiting for!
'The death of hollyweird' should be the sequel.
@@agiksf.8998 can’t freaking wait 💀🔥🎬
@@agiksf.8998
First movie: "Movie Wars: The Audience Awakens"
Second Movie: "Movie Wars: The Last Blockbuster"
Third Movie: "Movie Wars: The Rise of Independent Film"
@@abrahamthebewildered1448 Oh, if only this was the progression. It seems the audience will keep eating dung that the studios serve them. Some idiots go and watch Not-Indy 5. I don't buy the 'It's my morbid curiosity' excuse. Wait a bit and ☠ it, ffs! Don't give these corporate ghouls your money.
I stopped going to cinema and switched to K-drama when hollyweird started caring only about making dumb blockbusters that you can only enjoy if you are b r a i n d_e_a_d.
@@abrahamthebewildered1448 this should literally be the next great documentary series!
What's really insane when you think about it is there's no reason in the world for this movie to cost this much. Indiana Jones is an old school pulp action hero. This movie should cost half to one third that budget. What you get when you have architects instead of engineers.
I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark and I was surprised at first it even cost $20 million to make, adjusting for inflation. It's a great looking movie, but it took my zoomer brain a minute to remember that they didn't have today's equipment and technology.
But then I thought to myself, "shouldn't today's technology make making movies CHEAPER?" I mean, seriously, Everything Everywhere All At Once had a budget of $25 mil, tops, and was was edited by five people at home during the pandemic. And it looks so gorgeous and human! Despite being so overwhelmingly maximalist as well! Nowadays, sci-fi visuals are nauseating and often ugly, done by a team of dead-inside and overworked people and with price tags so ridiculous, you could do a thousand different life and community-changing things with it. And don't get me started on how much money is wasted on unnecessary advertising. I get all the advertising I need from people just talking about stuff online, and I bet many others do as well.
Would people watch it, though? It's hard to say. Audiences' tastes have shifted, and the economics of movies are massively different now.
@@Unknown-jt1jo Top Gun Maverick. If the story is good, people will watch. Maybe no one would want to watch on 80 year old Indy Jones film, but my point is that there shouldn't be things even in that film which drives the price to $300M. If that movie was made for $100M, then it only needs to get to $300M before turning a profit.
That's what you get when you spend so much money on green-screen backgrounds. Just like the previous movie.
A lot of that was due to scrapbooking and reshoots though. Kinda hard to stick to a modest budget for a film if you're essentially making two or three.
Agreed. We need more moderately budgeted movies. That’s where the creativity comes from. Limited budgets means creators have to put more into stories, make scripts tighter and more coherent. Also, it incentivizes creators to innovate.
I remember watching Fellowship of the Ring in the theater with my friend, and thinking "it doesn't get better than this". I wish I had been wrong.
To be fair, it's hard to get better than that. (Though you could argue for either/both The Two Towers and The Return of the King.) And there have been a lot of really good movies in the interim - just not within the past few years.
wrong. the other 2 lord of the things movies were just as good.
I remember watching in theaters and enjoying it but thinking...it's good but not great..surely there can be better?
I look back and didn't realize just how great it really was.
Definitely feel fortunate that those films were made in that era. Special effect were solid and it was before everything went south.
It did get better. The Dark Knight.
Indy rode off into the sunset with his father. The End.
Luke, Han, Chewie and Lando got medals for saving the Rebel Alliance. The End.
Everything after The Trilogies is nothing more than a fever dream, IMO.
Cutler Beckett was defeated..
A bad fever dream after eating some rotten gas station chili
Eh, the prequels for Star Wars were pretty good. But yeah, anything after the events depicted in the original trilogy is non canon in my books.
Yes, although the Godfather trilogy was only 2 movies.
Remember to only watch the original version where Han shot first. Hope you still have your VHS player.
@@davidwilliam9681 I do. I'm old enough to have seen all of them in the theater when they were released, 8 yrs old when Star Wars: A New Hope was released. Changed the world.
And that was a dumb argument people made. Han was a smuggler, he knew who Greedo was and why he was there.
Of course he shot first.
What amazes me is that I never heard anyone complain about Sean Connory switching his persona through the years from charming action star, to intelligent, grumpy bearded man. But I guess looking at CGI enhanced stars is what we're getting.
Michael Bay’s The Rock: why not both?
He changed his persona over time, from character to character. This is changing a character to fit the times without doing any character work to show that change.
As a movie theatre manager, the avg split between theatre and box office is 50% but the bigger the studio the bigger their cut, I think Disney takes like 80% so that’s why concessions are priced as high as they are, cuz that’s where we make the most money
This right here is exactly why I started making more of a point to buy concessions when I go to the movies.
There is something undeniably magical about the theatre experience, and if buying a soda or some popcorn helps keep that magic alive...... Well, I will have a large, please.
That's why I stopped going to the movies entirely. The shameless extortion of charging $20 for 15 cents' worth of popcorn kernels and a little syrup-water just makes me sick. Your 'business model' is not my problem in the same way I don't care about keeping Wendys in business by paying $300 bucks for a hamburger.
Apparently millions of other people feel the same, since the whole movie theater concept is just about as dead as the roraty dial telephone.
There are only 3 Indiana Jones and it ended with Indy and his friends riding off together to the sunset.
True story
Precisely, kingdom of the crystal skull and dial of destiny don't exist👍
@@AbrasiousProductions Exactly
my favorite star wars movie is the most recent one:
revenge of the sith.
Based.
Absolutely brilliant as always. What we need is another Easy Rider moment where a group of guys make a movie on a shoestring budget and revolutionise the industry.
Then do it
@@dimitriwarchief301think that’s what drinker is trying to do!
Or 'Night of the Comet'
Or Terminator, Star Wars, Back to the Future...there's so many examples of the good things that happen when you offer artists and talented young directors with vision the scope to deliver their craft, even on small budgets they can deliver BIG.
What would a countercultural independent anti-establishment film phenomenon look like in 2023? What's "happening" in youth culture that's "cool"? And would you even like it?
And why would people pay to see it in cinemas?
I reckon the next Easy Rider, if there ever is one, won't be playing in cinemas. It'll be on UA-cam, or TikTok or whatever. And we'll all forget about it in a fortnight.
I think only a talent like Tarantino or Lynch, who can command a big(ish) budget and major star power, are capable of producing something that will be innovative, rules-breaking and exciting enough to pull a big crowd and capture Hollywood's attention. I guess I could also see some explicit/provocative pan-sexual NC-17 film like a new Caligula. Maybe Cronenberg then.
It’s actually borderline criminal how Disney executives are more concerned with their “Social Credit Score” than they are the wellbeing of their employees and shareholders.
If they keep at it, Disney could get sued by shareholders. And, honestly, I think this needs to happen.
Them and every other large corporation, no matter the industry.
The main shareholders (blackrock, vanguard, ect) are the ones behind it. So good luck there. You're likely funding them if you have a 401k or asset manager.
If you know who’s behind it then you would realise money means nothing
@@davidcooper8892, Please elaborate, if you're so inclined?
I can’t even imagine the agony that Lucasfilm subjected James Mangold to with this one. He’s a talented guy.
Being talented doesn't make him less of stupid clown
After him lashing out at fans in multiple twatter meltdowns i have zero sympathy for him. Also, he went out with all the bullshit either on his own decision or by freely agreeing to someone other's. He could have smelled the flop in the making and walked out, he didn't, now it's HIS film, HIS fail and probably HIS career graveyard. Good riddance.
That's why Lucas always financed his movies by himself. The money he made with the first one went into the second one, and so on.That way, he always had full control over the production and the studio couldn't interfere. I may not like most of the decisions he made storywise, regarding the prequels, but I give him credit, that he made sure, no one else could f*ck up his work. I don't blame him, for selling all to Disney. I think he had good faith, that they would honor his legacy. And I think, he regrets his decision by now.
He had faith KK would at least limit the damage. Lucas felt regret almost immediately, well before the desecration even started. To say his faith was misplaced would be an understatement.
@@Sorain1 True, but I still can't blame him. Disney had the potential to turn Star Wars into something truely epic. All they had to do was to pic stories from the EU and turn them into series and movies, The old Republic, the original Thrawn trilogy, all could have worked. The fans would've loved it and Disney would've made a shitload of money. But KK had other plans. I don't know, why she hates George Lucas that much, but she surely does. She's destroyed everything Lucas has created, Star Wars, Willow and now Indiana Jones. Disney baught the license to print money, but they threw it away to pander to the woke twitter mob.
Plus, y'know, 15 years of being called the Antichrist also wore him down to the point of just wanting to wash his hands of it.
It is amusing that, only after the Sequel Trilogy came out, people suddenly said "The Prequel Trilogy isn't that bad". George Lucas and Zack Snyder are two of the best examples of people whose works became better in the eyes of the fans once the work was passed on to someone else.
yeah there is an interview that i believe was shortly after 8 released, like within the week. and in it george literally says he basically "sold his children to white slavers" he DEEPLY regrets the sale. i mean the only reason he sold in the first place was to protect the company, because he wanted to do some weird art house stuff and other things that would really just hemorrhage money and he wanted to protect the like 300 employees he had and their jobs, which is why he sold to what had been prior to 2012 a company with a large "vault" of treasured IP's that had been around for decades, so he figured it would be safest there. but its clear he needed to spend some more on some lawyers because he got back stabbed pretty quick. Disney closed lucas arts and fired nearly all the staff within a month.
Well he never made sure did he as his life’s work has been utterly torn apart?
I've watched more of drinker's reviews in the past 18 months than movies in theater (maybe even new movies in total) in the past 10 years. It's gotten so bad that only after multiple friends confirm "yeah, it's pretty good," will I even think about watching it. Middle-aged me has gotten appreciation for movies made before I was born.
The beginning trilogy played a key role in my movie childhood. I used to watch those 3 over and over again as a kid on vhs. I made the mistake of watching Crystal Skull but I cannot bring myself to watch this I refuse to have those movies tarnished.
I saw Crystal Skull in a cinema for free and I still felt scammed out of my time AND money
That's how terrible it is. I will not be burned twice!
After being told for years that if we didn't like what Disney was making "we could just stop watching" this downfall has been very satisfying to watch
When you wish upon a star ''Please make all these "bigots" stop watching our trash"
Why watch then? I haven’t watched this and never will. I have a million better things to do. You think that sock drawer is gonna sort itself? You think that attic is gonna organise itself?
@@CursedWheelieBinI have bottles and cans to recycle. Better use of my time than watching this atrocity.
@@CursedWheelieBinYeah your gonna see it.
@@NuclearFridge1Yeah you’re gonna see it.
The real crime here is not a big stinker bomb of a movie or show we can just ignore and pretend doesn't exist. The real crime is that in many cases, this is the last time we can hope to get stars like Harrison Ford, Leonard Nimoy, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Warwick Davis among others to saddle up and reprise roles. They can be recast or perhaps video faked, but the precious, unrecoverable chance for a final authentic performance has been lost. That I can neither forgive nor forget.
Harrison Ford will never retire though
They're destroying everything ON PURPOSE.
Correction. This was the last time. It's over.
How many times are you going to post this?
This is the last time, nobody cares about video fake and they never will outside of complete dorks.
The way these films are developed reminds me of an out of control engineering project.
Despite how mathematical the subject is designer vision and creative flair, confidence and leadership of the top architect/engineer does have a massive effect on the end result.
Being a naval history nerd it reminds me of the development of French battleships in the pre dreadnought era.
These were ships engineered by committee and subject to endless bickering and interference by industry and engineers all wanting their pet projects and new techs to go in the latest ship
As a result, instead of making a class (think a series) of 3-4 ships of the same design, tweaked here and there like the UK did you’d end up with 4 different designs with different gun calibres, engines, secondary battery layout and dimensions.
These ships completed horribly slowly, over budget and often chronically overweight.
Every day French dockworkers would go to work with a list if things to build and a list of things to tear out of the unbuilt ship, design revisions ran into the hundreds on each design
pardon my nerd out but I can see the parallels between this and Justice League (the movie industry’s meddling terminal case)
Watching Drachinifel aren't we?
@@ΣτελιοςΠεππας I was just about to say I should watch the Drachinifel vid on this agiain.
I see what you mean. At the end of the day producing a movie can either be a competently run project or a poorly run one.
Comparing it to military procurement isn't the worst example.
Combining Wokeist ideology with those Hotels at Sea...what abomination would result?
The builders would blame the water (and the "Patriarchy") when the ships would continually sink, no doubt...
Excellent Analogy. I am glad to run into fellow nerds like you Sir.
I'm glad this did a million views in 3 days. Shows that there's actually sensible people out there. If only Hollywood would listen to us instead.
Honestly I found Critical Drinker's breakdown on the mounting costs of movies more interesting than anything in the movie itself. Honestly I feel the video game memes of "I want shorter games, that take longer to make, that are cheaper in budget, and I am not kidding" to be applied to movies too at this rate.
well the video game industry does blow films out of the water. it currently makes more than film, music, and television industries combined. and even the biggest budget games are nowhere near movie level. some films spent nearly 1 billion just producing and barely make that back. to compare, highest grossing film ever made was Avatar at 2.9 billion. it cost around 500 million to make, a typical cost for films these days. in contrast genshin impact cost 300 million to make, one of the most expensive games ever produced. and hast current made 3.1 billion. it failed to break into the top 100 highest grossing games of all time. you can also look at how much of a small fry films are compared to games if you look at some companies and brands. of the top 20 highest grossing films ever 11 are owned by disney (easily in first place as far as movie studios go), disney owns star wars, fox, abc, espn, marvel, national geographic and pixar. disney is worth about 40 billion. the single franchise pokemon is worth 90 billion. to put it into a more insane contrast. the asset valuation (the estimated cost to buy the company wholesale and all owned assets based on total worth and potential profit/revenue ) is 209 billion. the asset valuation of nintendo (the perpetual 3rd place behind microsoft and sony) sits at an absolutely insane 6.3 trillion.
TLDR: the film industry is an annoying fly compared to the all consuming might of video games. why films even keep bothering when the other medium exists is a mystery.
And neither is going to happen. I just finished Hogwarts Legacy and I'm so so tired of it.
@@lettherebedragons8885 Why are you tired of it?
@@drakesilmore3760 it's too big and too boring. Typical Openworld Actionadventure shit. Not exactly Ubisoftlevel but close enough. It's such a shame when you can see what could have been possible with things like a morality system and dedicated Housequestlines. And a better mainplot. And a protagonist with the personality of a teaspoon. Maybe next time. But propably not.
@@e.corellius4495ep, The Drinker is on top of his game here. If only the franchise was handed over to he and the Fandom Menace? we’d finally be entertained once again, on a fraction of the budget.
Before I ever saw the trailer and noticed a 5th sequel was announced, I immediately knew it was gonna fail, I even guessed the whole "woke female sidekick" thing
Isnt there a 50/50 chnace it will be woman or not
"Sidekick"?! You must be a misogynist. The female is the upgraded replacement for the male, not his "sidekick".
There is no need for even A.I. considering how predictable the plots are. We could write these movies but we would ask for money, so activists writing in exchange of "exposure" surely will be the replacement for these writers without real life experience.
Technically it's a 4th sequel.
@@ReinoldFZ I could make a better movie entirely set in a garage and make it more compelling, it would be a box film about two best friends forced to confront their inner demons, confessing how they've betrayed each corner in one way or another, I guarantee it'll be miles more watchable than this crap and I literally just came up with that plot, just now
I very much enjoyed the movie _Grosse Pointe Blank_ from 1997. A reporter asked John Cusack what it was like working with Disney, and he said "We were spending so little money that nobody cared what we were doing." The movie cost an estimated $15 million to film and made over double that in theatrical release. I enjoyed how really different it was than other movies, and I think it was able to be so different because it didn't cost much to make.
I need to revisit that one. I saw it in the theater and everyone had a good time. A fun movie, plain and simple.
In many parts of life, it is nicer to be the guy on the periphery with far fewer resources than close to the flagpole and having 8000 people looking over your shoulder.
Dan Akroyd is great in that, the general story is great. Like a Blue Collar John Wick Universe. Joan cusack as the secretary is good too, recommend it a lot.
It lost money tho.
I saw it in the theater but didn't pay, lol. I sneaked in after watching 3 other movies at that same theater. XD
The other poisonous aspect of the cinematic behemoths is they must block book theatre space sometimes before the film is made - even in a big multiplex they occupy half the screens leaving no room for smaller (often better) films to screen
Which is why "Upgrade" was so awesome. Laser focused Indie movie, absolutely perfect Halloween treat. It also had a bugdet of only 3 Million and looks spectacular, especially the VFX. It's insane what you can accomplish when you have a motivated Crew and actors and no bloated story made by a dozen different people.
“Grey is not here anymore.
He’s in a better place.
He’s in his mind.
Where he wants to be.
I have taken over now.”
@SibonisoButhelezi-ic2vx The villain is not supposed to be the protagonist.
@@odysseusrex5908Protagonist just means 'main character', so you can definitely have the villain (= bad guy) be the protagonist. Joker, Revenge of the Sith, The Godfather, American Psycho, A Clockwork Orange, Wolf of Wall Street, all these movies feature a criminal or bad person (in varying degrees, some are just frauds, but they're essentially also a villain, only using crime to get an advantage) as the protagonist.
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 That part of the movie was both horrifying and sad. F*ck you STEM!
@@DS-mi9ru Yeah, OK, I guess that's valid.
I think Drinker's been hallucinating, Indiana Jones ended with Indy riding into the desert. Too much turpentine for the Scot today....
Fact
The biggest shame of this movie is not pairing Indy with an older Shortround; an established adopted son character, played by a very talented actor.
It only shows that this movie, like a lot of modern movies, have no respect for the established story/ lore/ characters. And would rather ignore it and insert their own characters and ideas.
I weep over the emotional feels we could have gotten between an older short round and an aging Indy, after seeing Ke Huy Quan’s emotional acting in Everything Everywhere all at once. It’d be true nostalgia, not nostalgia bait. It’d be short round being us, as we’ve all aged with Indy, reminiscing and thanking him for our adventures together.
His character is probably "offensive "
Sadly we live in one of the worst timelines. The ones who rule us all will try to make our lives more miserable each decade.
What a great & wonderful movie that could have been!
Fifty times better than the hypocritical and self-righteous “message” crap that talentless, and might I add financially ignorant studio heads, actors, actresses, writers, directors, and producers keep churning out.
@@mountainrogue3448 As a Cantonese speaker, I can't express how much I enjoyed Shourtround in Temple of doom.
I feel like it's a double edged sword.
We have seen how other media often treat their legacy characters... so... while it may seem more enticing to bring back an older character... I dunno what you'd wanna risk more, having another bland new character that won't ever be remembered, or see a character that you adored be turned into some mockery.
The best part of this entire video is his entire breakdown of the tent pole big blockbuster movies. What use to be an event (wait 3-4 years for it to be finished). Is now a yearly thing. The market is so saturated with rushed, poor looking, creativity safe movies that no one cares. I look forward to those smaller to mid level movies that took risks and were actually good. They felt like they were actually carefully crafted. I hope that we get back to those times where blockbusters weren’t expected every quarter and people took risks. Well done drinker!
When I first heard that the title was “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” my initial thoughts were “what, is Indie chasing a magical telephone now?”
No No silly Wabbit the Dial of destiny is about magical Soap. Magical telephone... Really. Who would believe that. 😊
An egg timer that can change fate?
"If you would like to make a call, please hang up and try again. If you need help, hang up and then dial your operator."
Antikathera Mechanism.
Nah, it's a Stargate crossover.
Unironically thank you for posting this. All the articles about Little Mermaid saying they spent a combined total of something like 370 million on production and marketing but needs to make 560 million to break even never made sense to me so thank you for breaking it down Barney style.
Disney shills keep quoting that 560 mil figure. It's from an article that misleads by also including hundreds of millions of additional revenue from streaming, VOD, and disc sales.
The way you described the whole "huddled around the embers of a once roaring fire" makes me think of the plot from Dark Souls. Rather than give up the first flame and move on to the next era of life, the God King Gwyn sacrificed himself to keep the dying fire going just to prolong the age of the gods and by doing so; he kept denying the next age's right to exist in a selfish way, which in turn, by prolonging it, made things worse and worse each time they attempt to rekindle the dying flame.
Common Dark Souls Fan W, Praise the Sun brother!
If they had made a great movie, they wouldn't need 150 million to promote it - everyone knows Indiana Jones and word of mouth would soon spread. But if they deliberately made an average at best movie, they need a bigger promotional spend to offset the negative press.
Raiders was THE template all the sequels should've followed. Finished under budget, finished under shooting schedule, and those two pushes were intentional by both Spielberg and Lucas. They knew that this movie about a globe-trotting 1930s archeologist needed to be done on a shoestring, had to be tightly edited, and needed the god's gift of a score from Williams (still the single best adventure theme ever written).
People have no idea how important a good editor is. I attended a class with the editor of the original Star Wars and he showed us a scene with Lucas' cut and then his. Same scene. Totally different effect with only subtle changes.
And get rid of the screaming Banshee from Temple of Doom. Man I despise that woman with a burning passion.
@@ieuanhunt552lmao! Yeah she is annoying
@@ieuanhunt552😂😂😂
@@senryu93 Is that on yt by any chance... would love to see it...
Harrison Ford is older in this movie (79) than Sean Connery was in Last Crusade (59).
As Indiana's father, Connery was old enough to have wisdom and experience, young enough to still go out on adventures, but too old to realistically be involved in fights or anything requiring the strength or agility that seems to always happen in these types of movies. Now imagine someone 20 years older than Indy's father in the movie as the action star.
That would be ridiculous even if this were a pre-2016 movie. But this is a current year movie from a studio headed by KK. Nobody is going to enjoy an action movie where the star is as old as Biden.
Things really started to go wrong in 2015 with The Force Awakens.
It set the standard for so many Hollywood movies: An unimaginative, soulless imitation of the real thing.
And it set the standard, because unfortunately it was succesful
I said it back then but many people didn’t understand.
I should have never watched the film if I knew what was to come 😔 Granted, I was only 10 back then but damn it!
I would argue it was 1999 with The Phantom Menace.
@@chalkandcheese1868yes! That was garbage too
@@chalkandcheese1868RONG 💯
just cause it's "cool" to do the "slam the thing in the past as the cause!" It DOESN'T apply to Phantom Menace.
What's the BIGGEST criticisms people have with the prequels? The dialogue and directorial execution.
As far as CREATIVITY and IMAGINATION nobody EVER says the prequels lacked that.
How many NEW worlds, new characters and new things were introduced?
The prequels (which I like despite the shitty dialogue) is NOT the same rehashed imitation of something beat for beat like The Force Awakens was
PLUS it was the vision of THE CREATOR OF THE STORY HIMSELF George Lucas so that's the ultimate Trump card of "what's genuine Star Wars"
Love it or hate it, Star Wars was MADE by Lucas back then when it was HIS stories
Thank you. I remember walking out of the theater with my wife and friends hating that movie. Unfortunately I was the only one who did.
Indiana Jones ended with last crusade.
Terminator with Judgement day.
Let them keep trying to milk the dead cow nobody's gonna show up.
In my mind for the past so many years has been: "Why do they make so much garbage, couldn't be worse unless they are really trying to make garbage." and "Why not hire some fan of these genres to write the stories?"
Your explanation makes a lot of sense why.
I cant help but remember The Joker's words: ''It's not about the money. It's about sending a message''
Or in this case 'THE MESSAGE'
It also explains why Tom Cruise can still make good movies. Too many fingers in the pie and too much dedication to nu tech has spoiled many enterprises even outside of movies. It's still possible to put all your trust in one competent person and get fantastic things done... but it requires trust which is in short supply these days.
I think what a lot of these movies need is a director with a strong vision who is willing to accept criticism. Not five to ten people trying to all do their own thing. You need one person with skill and control but who is more than happy to consider what might be wrong with the film. We keep seeing either directors surrounded by yes men or directors with no control and tons of people making demands. No in between
Content Machine
@@destinyhntr Yea can you imagine a Hitchcock, Leone, Kubrick, etc., movie being made by a comity (worse a comity of idiots) instead?
Need to go back to "Here, you make great movies people want to see. Here is N dollars to make it."
When he actually reviews it, he could save all of us some time: “You know…Phoebe Waller-Bridge. (Puking dwarf clip) That’s all I’ve got for today. Go away now.”
But he won't.
This was one of the first movie series my father and I watched together. It’s a shame to see this franchise go down hill. At least I’ll have the memories.
I miss the look of a great action movie without cgi and practical effects instead.
Was just rewatching the Indiana Jones movies and they hold up so much better than many films today. When can we get back to simple but with still having good story telling?
Because writing is awful these days. You should watch some films made in the 40's and 50's. The writing is witty, sometimes profound, sometimes shocking, sometimes heartfelt and always intelligent. The writers back then read great works of literature and knew how to tell a story and write great dialogue. That's what I've noticed. Shitty writing dominates movies now.
@@catherinelw9365 A few years ago I went through a spree of watching old B/W 1930-1950's films. Although I am 46 now, which means I grew up watching many of classical films, was almost shocked and in disbelief how good and skillful and brave and open (considering The Code) those movies were. On average, the fare far above modern movies in every aspect, even including special effects.
Buster Keaton nailed it when he said, "Don't ever try to fake a gag." While some of his gags were helped along by special effects, his best gags were for real. Jackie Chan, who was inspired by Keaton, follows that pattern in his action movies. When then-93-year-old Dick van Dyke danced on a table top in the sequel to "Mary Poppins," theater audiences actually applauded. People can spot a fake and they're more impressed by the real thing.
It is too late to save our movie theaters, so it makes no difference now.
I like that before he started speaking about the Superhero genre, his description of Indiana Jones movies could have just as easily be a description of Star Wars.
Ironically, my parents hated Disney in the 80s, bc they saw it as a soulless capitalistic company that made profit out of childhood stories by pressing them into a pattern.
Did your parents predict the future?
Yep they took stories that were ages old and part of common culture and copyrighted them all while lobbying Congress to extend copyright laws to absurd levels today well over 100 years if I recall
@@Joetino No, the company was s***ty back then. Disney just changed the target pattern.
Hey Professor Drinker, this was a really good review on how the movie industry works. I didn't know this, as I'm just a casual movie goer. Thanks for the lesson. 👌🏽
I love that they pander to the vocal twitter minority, as it just means failure after failure and accelerates the inevitable downfall of studios like Disney. I still have no doubt though that Kathleen Kennedy will still be around, those skeletons she clearly has from peoples' closets need to stay hidden as long as possible.
That's because Waller Bridge and older women like Kennedy are the types of girls who make up the vocal twitter minority
The bots are consuming themselves.
Twitter user as market research has been a problem for politics and culture a decade or more. And they still don't realise this fatal error.
Let the left cannibalize itself. It's glorious.
It's not just Indy. The Little Mermaid needs over 700 million to break even, it currently stands at 500 million. Oops.
clearly the rest of the world is racisist for not watching it, in the US did decent enough but the worldwide box office really dropped the ball
It's shocking that it's making that much, but there are plenty of Woke and Colored people in the world who feel included and will pay to see this stuff, is why they continue to make more of these
Can't believe it even got 500 Million🤐 Massive turd
Who TF saw that Shite
How much money did they have to launder to hit 500 million?
Bill Simmons wrote about this over 10 years ago in comparing what was happening in Hollywood and American professional sports. Both industries started brining in Ivy League business types to run things and got rid of movie people and sports people so that more money could be made. In baseball it led to the boring "three true outcomes" style of playing. Strike out, walk, or hit a home run. A boring style of play except for the home run. Movies are much the same, you go for the safest possible outcomes by repeatedly creating bland trash but it eventually alienates the audiences who actually care about film.
Moneyball. Hell of a thing
@cirothecarius - great comment! I've been told I'm weird for saying my 12-year-old nephew's baseball game is way more exciting than watching a major league game for that very reason. 😂
same thing happened in gaming too.
Is this the same Bill Simmons who called the Harkles F ing grifters?😅
The minute studios were taken over by holding companies, the executives who worked in Hollywood because they loved movies suddenly had to answer to some guy on Wall Street.
This man has said it so perfectly ! Movies today are just horribly uninspiring !
6:50 This actually reminds me of something. I was watching Pointless Hub’s review of the original 2008 Transformers movie. He talked about how he was surprised how much Michael Bay used practical set pieces and was considered the epitome of corporate greed in Hollywood. Now, his use of practical would be seen as strange. How films have changed
That's especially weird because Michael Bay uses physical effects as much as he can., always has Heck, at least 99% of the explosions are real.
Some of the most fun movie experiences I've had in recent years were watching cheesy old kung fu and kaiju movies, low budget horror and 80s action movies with my friends. To me watching a guy in a rubber suit stomping on miniatures for 90 minutes was more fun and entertaining than looking at a bunch of overpaid actors making bad jokes in front of a giant tablet for 3 hours.
The world needs more movies like Groundhog Day, simple films with great stories about people.
Or more Bill Murrays
@@vast634 Nah, 1 is perfect.
Exactly. Having a variety of choices instead of just superhero films and the same funny animated films.
Dogs and cats living together.....mass hysteria.
Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person that would rather watch anything *except* Groundhog Day. Watching it once was a boring enough of an experience
For what it's worth, Indy 5 wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. It did play out close to what I expected, but I ended up enjoying it more than Crystal Skull (low bar, I know).
It was a movie you could enjoy, I didn’t think it was anything crazy but the beginning and end I thought was really good Indiana jones
It was a fun movie for what it was. Way better than Crystal Skull, but definitely not the movie it could have been. I spent 4 dollars on a ticket and I felt I got 4 dollars of entertainment from it.
Not the ending Indy deserved, but the one he got.
My husband and I watched it yesterday and we both liked it. I don't know what the fuss / disappointment is about. Yes, the protagonist is very human, but he's an old man most of the film and yet he always is the hero. I don't know what more the viewers want.
This spike in the cost of making media has been hitting gaming too.
Everyone is so obsessed with making the next big thing that they spend incredible amounts of money and practically bankrupt themselves in the process. And every time one of those games under-performs, or releases broken it runs the risk of breaking the studio that made it.
Entertainment media is going to spend itself into oblivion if this keeps up.
Indeed, is the end conclusion of enterteinment, videogames, cartoons even anime is going that way, and ends like that, is so ironic, that, they sink under its own weigth and the audience telling them we dont need so much crap
And the tech is apparently (not really, but they allege it) so expensive that consoles and games are expensive as shit. $500 for a PS5 could be worse, but then you need a game to play on it, and all of those cost $70. All of this for games that are visually near-indistinguishable from PS4 games. Like, yeah, they look *better* in the strictest of senses, but not by enough to justify the money that goes into making them, or the money I'm expected to pay to receive them. I'm just not that bothered by mildly blocky shadows.
I have an idea for a game, know how to make it, and I came to the conclusion that the 6 months of real work with the 2 and a half years of debugging and support afterwards at about 20 hours a week for a game that would gross at most $1 million over a decade wasn't worth it, because after paying for the artist and music, and then the distributing platform taking its cut, and then taxes I would get at most $100,000 of that. Far less than I could earn over that same amount of time working for someone else.
@@xSilentZeroXxMeanwhile, Microsoft says "almost every major release on our platform is a combined $15 to play day 1"
And yet it ain't sinking them.
Makes you think
@@xSilentZeroXx and the worst part nothing, change, because, people applaudm look street figther 6 , is barely a strett figther and yet people love it, the same FF16, and yet they applaud, so nothing will change, here top gun Maverick, Joker, all win money and no, they keep with the bs
I honestly didn't hate Crystal Skull.
It was dumb and unneeded, but I thought it gave Indy a nice ending to his story.
He married his true love and got to be in his son's life.
Yeah aside from him getting married... It was pointless... Him riding off into the sunset with his father beside him was better in my opinion
I hated it. It was awful.
I liked all the past Indiana jones movies though I prefer binging on a series show because it helps fill more time which is I liked the young Indiana jones chronicles more along with other series shows.
As bad as it was, this looks to be much,much worse.
I'm sorry but no one is gonna convince me that i can survive a nuclear detonation inside a flying refrigerator. Suspension of disbelief can only go so far without the assistance of controlled substances.
The key skillset in Hollywood, as in so many other places, is not getting fired. And in that department, no one can match the Sith Lord herself, KK.
issue is, usually the one place where that is not the main skillset, is a creative place, lol.
if anything, it is essential for a creative industry or company to have edgy, crazy dudes who speak up and complain. Otherwise, mediocrity and complacency take hold.
You give her too much credit
@@rachelar Yeah, no one can convince me she doesn't have dirt on important people, otherwise she'd have been driven out years ago.
My far left liberal women co workers said little mermaid is kicking butt at the box office.
500 million worldwide, 250 to make, 150 marketing, so it'd need 800 million worldwide with the distributer fee?
What else could we expect from Kathleen Kennedy?
We can only expect the worst from her
@@chasehedges6775 and that she will NEVER be fired for her incompetence
Ed Wood was better and his movies are among the most ridiculed ever.
we can expect her to quit on her terms and when she feels ready to leave, and be given all the honors she deserves
I've lowered my expectations for her to the point where I expect nothing good and I'm happy to watch Disney and Lucasfilm implode from a distance.
If you see this movie in theaters you have directly financed the terrorism going on at Disney.
Yeah - a very important remark! Don't leave those creeps a single buck! Don't poison your minds and hearts by watching Disney movies, not even on streaming, let alone in cinema! Drinker's/Nerdrotic's reviews are enough...Just watch woke Hollywood burn from a safe distance!
Already figured out how to get around them.
When the kids brings up the toy from a happy meal or a TV ad go "sounds like it could it could have been a good movie" and they assume it's not a movie and forget about it.
Never have to tell a single lie.
Not even I would waste my internet pirating this piece of crap.
@@Zed-fq3ljwhat if I like going to the movie because it’s fun entertainment and I don’t take it so seriously like it’s a literal matter of life and death?
Yes people are Stupid.....
In the mid-nineties, when movies like True Lies broke the ceiling with a budget of more than $100M, people were asking how the studios would get their money back. Well, a couple of these mega blockbusters actually made a profit. However, we will see if part 5 of this movie franchise can reach this incredible high bar.
Careful, if corporate overlooked True Lies, they might "re-imagine it". Brie Larson would replace Ahnold.
@@DelMarMarinaCampPendletonand lizzo for the Jamie Lee Curtis role😊
@@DelMarMarinaCampPendleton Well, they already did a TV series remake some time ago. Didn't watch it, but I bet modern Harry's wife is somehow more competent than he is.
Can't say it enough: Hollywood has lost touch and doesn't care about its customers. Disney's original stock-in-trade was the goofy, low budget family film that you saw in the drive in, with the family, on Saturday night. It wasn't political, the product was lighthearted and fun, and families looked forward to Disney's next release. Current Disney movies are cringy, tedious, fake and bloated. Plus LucasFilm fired Gina Carano. I'll pass.
It's hard to imagine even watching this movie for free.
It's hard to imagine being payed enough to watch this movie
even more hard to imagine the someone edited this turd
I won't even pirate it because it's too much effort to download it.
Won’t even pirate it
I would be reluctant to watch it if someone paid me...being accused of being a "phobe" or "ist" if I dislike a lousy product is certainly no incentive...
Honestly I feel it’s glorious and sad that we are living in a time where we are watching our favorite franchises just get systematically burned by studios who are trying to spread THE MESSAGE and simply making terrible stories. RIP Indy.
Indy's not dead. Not as long as we remember him ending his adventures by riding off into the sunset with his father and his two best friends.
What's the message? I don't get it
Right? It's very sad that our most beloved stories must be killed in the blast radius that of the meteoric downfall of Disney and other studios like them.
@@Nexter-LieDIE and feminism. Portraying men in a negative light, replacing whites with black actors
Movies aren't shitty because of THE MESSAGE.
They're shitty because of how the movie industry has evolved in the past 15 years (due to competition from digital media). The industry is dominated by huge blockbusters, plus sequels to existing franchises. These movies are big, expensive, and CGI-heavy. They depend heavily on the international box office, which means they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator. All of this leads to studios becoming risk-averse, which means they churn out the same big, boring movie again and again.
It's about economics. Not woke-ism.
An extra spin is that what a movie studio or executives might think is 'playing it safe' actually means doing what they *think* is the safest. Hollywood's disconnect with what a majority of audiences actually want leads them to either follow their own echo-chamber of ideas or to follow the latest social media signals.
The irony here is that the easiest form of 'playing it safe' would be: Not insulting your core audience.
And 'doing what they think is safest' usually means 'doing what made money before' leading to stagnation.
There's a 2011 Norwegian movie by the name of "Headhunters". Its budget was less than $4 million US.
It's a great movie. It really delivers. The writing hits the spot and the plot twists just (chef's kiss).
A movie doesn't have to have a huge budget. It doesn't have to be full of names that you recognize. It doesn't even have to be in a language that you understand.
It has to be an interesting story well told... Fin.
no.
@tylerhartley5031 such a thought provoking response.
The Drinker never fails to hit the nail directly on the head in the most eloquent and finessed way possible.
Matt Damon made a good case for why the loss of DVD sales means that studios need to pour a metric ton of extra cash into promotion so their movies do great during releases, because they're not getting a second influx when releasing them on discs anymore
Idk, I see blurays selling out constantly still. If a movie isn't selling out on DVDs/bluray that means it's just ass. So rather than doubling efforts on promotion, just make an actual decent film.
matt damon is one of the most wooden generic terrible well known actors there are.
@@emiami458 I guess, but the point is he was discussing why he couldn't risk putting his money behind productions that 'might' do well, which is why so many studios rely on old IP reboots because they can count on getting butts in seats
@@phoenixdzkApparently not. But your point is solid.
@@emiami458love ad hominems man, how people put their biases about a certain actor or some skill mettle on their eyes as a sort of truth validity filter of whatever they say or point out is realistic based on a 180° completely unrelated context.
One of the most absolute moronic things some people for some reason like to do as a form of criticism
6:10 - "...the superhero genre is rapidly sliding into it's Vegas residency phase." Hysterically accurate, Will!
Lmao 💀
something interesting this reminded me of is a movie called the blair witch project having a budget of around 30k and making around 250 mil in box office.
"With that money you can buy these houses...hospitals" Thank you, finally someone gets it!
Terminator 2 was released at $100 million in 1991. There were a few movie studios gone the same route of "big budget" thinking or hoping for a bigger hit than T2.
Drinker gave us a finance course in film.
Don't forget Waterworld which cost $180 million to make in 1994. It barely made its money back and eventually turned in a $70 million profit.
Drinker forgot streaming, tv, dvd money. Many duds make their money back over time.
@@steviegbcool Even so, box office is usually the main money maker, and the idea that Indy 5 will eventually make the hundreds of millions it needs back through DVD is ludicrous.
@@SolarMonolith206 Netflix might disagree with you 😂 I never said it would. Streaming is a major revenue err stream lol
Or an even better example is Terminator (1984) - a movie that no one believed in, which was planned by the studio as a passing horror under halloween (not the summer season of big blockbusters)
With a ridiculously small budget of $6,400,000 even at that time !
earned $78,371,200 ! ! !
I love how you never miss a chance to remind us how bad that CGI stash removal was xD
Everything everywhere all at once is a perfect exemple of a studio trusting talented filmakers to make a creative movie with a small budget...7 oscars.
Should have mentioned that for summer blockbusters the studios often get *way* more than 50% of the first week to the first three weeks. Which is why studios push so hard for people to see the films right away. Theaters prefer sleeper hits because they get to keep most of the ticket prices after the first month.
Also, studios get way less than 50% of international grosses. I've read that it's only 15%. That and your point mostly cancel each other out when domestic and international grosses are roughly equal, so estimating that they get 50% of the total gross is probably close enough, but, yeah, it's technically more complex than that.
@Osprey850 great point ..
Google says:
"How is movie ticket revenue split?
However, the movie studio usually gets 60% of the proceeds from American box offices or anywhere from 20% - 40% overseas. This depends on the film distribution arrangements, agreements, and other costs associated with foreign distribution. Theaters receive the remaining 40%."
And here is the other quote, "the cinemas outright keep 50% of ticket sales (after subtracting the house nut) it works in a sliding scale that drops week-on-week (i.e 80% goes to distributor and 20% goes to cinema in week 1, 75% goes to the distributor and 25% goes to the cinema on week 2, etc)."
Studios want everyone to buy tickets and see the movie the first week. That's why they induce / force cinemas to show movies on so many screens.
Finally, exceptional movies get exceptional deals. Endgame got 90% to 95% of the first week and it slid down from there according to leaks from industry insiders.
@@macmcleod1188 Good info. Thanks. So maybe they get more than the 15% of international grosses that I read somewhere, but 30% on average still balances out a lot of the domestic percentage. That and your point are both why the domestic takes matter a lot more when it comes to profitability.
@Osprey850 I really like movies in cinemas but I really do not like most movies being released today.
Heck, I do not like most TV shows. "The good place" was my last modern favorite.
@@macmcleod1188 Same. I watch so many movies and shows that feel mediocre to me just to occasionally discover the rare ones that I really like. In fact, I recently went a couple of months without seeing a movie that I really liked until last night, when I checked out The Covenant on the Drinker's recommendation. It's such a relief to finally find something that I enjoy.
I must openly admit that for the first time, I'm very impressed by Disney's generosity - to lightly spend 300 million to achieve a spectacular failure...
Not everyone can afford such extravagance! :)
They can't.. that's why it's so funny..they've had to cancel 1.2 billion worth of disney+ shows to help with costs! ..after 9 huge flops in row! 😂😂😂