I feel like Valve is trying to ban bots right now, because when the petition will go directly to Valve and they would say: "Look! There's no bots, so what are you talking about?"
37.61111 YARDS of it in thickness to be exact, assuming each signature is one sheet of paper. 34.3916 Meters i̶f̶ y̶o̶u̶'r̶e̶ a̶ f̶i̶l̶t̶h̶y̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶
It's SO refreshing hearing "indirect response" instead of "no response at all". Hopefully this isn't a one-and-done thing, and the game is purged of bots forever! ALSO, seeing that more people signed the petition after Valve took action is surprising, they probably lost hope that Valve would do... ANYTHING, which is fair.
I'm glad Valve is actually doing something even if there's no official response, let's hope they continue to do treadmill work and we can get this game to live forever
lol I love that meme. But in all seriousness, it sucks he couldn’t back that claim up, because it’s the best news I’ve heard in a long time and I really wanted to be true
@@dannerhoinowski9520 Yeah, same, be nice if the big community leaders weren't all acting so unscrupulous and shady during this. It's making us look bad and causing people to abandon the movement
I know conspiracy theories are infinitely more fun than real life (they aren not) but this correlates to anything that tf2 has received in the last couple of years that wasn't community made content. Valve is silently cooking shit and then releasing it when shit gets hot to make people wrongfully connect the dots that it must be connected towards the thing they are advocating for right now when in reality it is in valves interest to stop the botting even 2 years ago well before first save tf2 bc it can easily turn into a legal matter which costs far FAR more than just a couple hundred thousand to pay some offshore company to fix the game kinda. Not only that but richter isn't the only one who made these claims and isn't the only one who has insider knowledge. I'm assuming valve must have contacted him to remove that and stop talking about this bc this is a very sensitive matter especially with the release of deadlock basically around the corner.
Before the ban wave I was seeing videos, videos PLURAL, titled "The fall of #fixTF2" and I couldn't help think "Guys, nothing's happened yet. Would you chill?"
Agreed on not sending money despite the indirect responses via bans. Valve still needs to add a permanent fix to its VAC system to ensure that they don't have to do the extensive treadmill work they have done thus far again. Afterwards, it would be nice for them to update the game via a community update like Frontline or that Aztec themed one (heavy was supposed to get a new mini gun from that) or maybe even the fabled Heavy Update.
Valve: Indirect response 336k to 338k signs (2k increases instead of the usual 1k increase) 12% of all positive reviews instead of 11% on steam TheWhat Show makes some plans public This is one of the best episode if this series!!
Valve take forever to do things, but when they do something it hits HARD. All we need now is to keep up the pressure until the problem is Gone For Good.
I don't wanna get too optimistic but it's so hard not to. This is the first time I had fun in casual in a long time and it's so damn good to just play the game. I never realized how much I took it for granted. I hope it stays this way.
Remember men: If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! we fight for not just tf2 but for other source games out now and yet to come!
Stop saying it like that. you're actively including deadlock which is hands down one of the worst looking games i've seen since the release of runescape classic.
"Even tho the problem is being worked on" The problem isn't worked on, Valve is still being too passive into doing the minimum. We keep on with the boycott.
I already signed the petition a few weeks ago, it was a pleasure to follow your #fixtf2 news and like Rick May said: "Today is a good day." For the TF2 players who didn't sign the petition yet: go for it, let's try to reach 340k or 350k while we still can!
This is a nice first step, but we still need a VAC update. Not kidding when I say that in almost every match since the bot ban wave, I've come across at least one cheater per lobby.
Honestly, I believe the indirect response was the best thing Valve could have done. The sudden move from them surprised the bot hosters and really had them at their knees. Well done, Valve, but there’s still more work to do.
I hope the creators have a warchest with funds to print off all those names because that's going to be probably around $2,000, and if not I would happily donate a few bucks to help out with that.
Its good to see things are going in the right direction but i do stand my ground when i sau for us as a community to not let our guard down and keep moving forward with the protest until we get direct word from valve
Keep it up guys in case valve is just trying to please us so we stop talking and go back to buying. The movement isn't over till a permanent solution is made!
While im glad valve is doing something (the bare minimum) but let's not forget that a while back they also made a massive banwave in cs2 as well and since then things slowly returned to a bad state. I hope valve isn't just doing a one time cleaning and are actually developing an update to their anti-cheats and whatnot.
Dont get all giddy up, people. Yes, it is great to see some teal action from Valve, but we all saw them doing this around 2 years ago and vots came back several months later at greater numbers. Unless Valve is actually focused on dealing with bot problem for good, we cannot stop pushing them to upkeep the bot situation in TF2 and other Valve-made Source titles, because we cannot know whether its a one-time thing like before or they actually want to dedicate themselves to creating a solution.
keep up the good work, I don't really follow the content creators that heavily even before the protest began, but I really appreciate you reporting on all the happenings. get some more sleep, you deserve it!
Bots and some cheaters migh've been banned but yesterday i ran into three cheaters teaming up. It may be to the fact I decided to play the long and forgotten map of Sujin but still, not a fun time.
Yeah, now instead of being a massive problem they are like an occasional mosquito now. But if Valve doesnt do MORE there is always a chance they will come back
I don't think Richter's claims are unfounded, but without proof it's all speculation. 2 years of behind the scenes work may seem like an excessive amount of time, but this isn't exactly something that's easy to do in the first place for a game whose source code is compromised. Again, it's nothing more than speculation but I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually true.
I’m kinda pissed how the organizers handled this. (The what show, weezy, etc.) They went completely silent which they really shouldn’t have done. It let to a lot of discourse and miscommunication during the movement. Also why would richter overtime just…lie..?
They have not gone completely silent, they are super active on twitter and other stuff. They are just on weird schedules or are following their upload schedule
I don't know if I get the idea behind keeping the boycott going even though the game is currently in a playable state. If the bots come back en masse and Valve doesn't immediately do anything about it, I get boycotting again, but maybe we should give the dog a treat?
doubt boycott will do much for players, people keep forgetting the main cash cows are Traders, as long they are still moving money around TF and valve still make money off them i dont think they frankly care about the players side of the boycott, one thing i barely hear is traders, from what i heared most of them dont really care about FixTF2 since more then half of them dont even play main game of TF2 just trade items and deal in money, as long valve see a shift in items i doubt will take much action, but current Traders are a issue for FixTF2. if people are going to promote idea of never buying items Traders will contradict it and buy items.
Remember, it's not just about boycotting the official store. Steam gets a cut of all purchases on-platform, and even community markets are quite likely to involve trading with someone who ultimately got it from Valve. A complete economic shutdown is needed.
A financial boycott seems 'less' appropriate now (and it was nice to experience TF2 casual without bots recently). This ban wave should make bot-hosters think twice for a while even 'if' no further action is planned. Best to stay the boycott until a suitable set future check-in date (Such as 3rd December). Such serves as positive reinforcement for Valve, with a built-in 'performance review'. This also lets the movement 'rest' while having a fixed check-in date to help retain focus.
![[TF2] The Curious Case of the Flying Guillotine](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/p9xbocB9fR0/mqdefault.jpg)
We have evolved the news from “Valve: No response” to “Valve: Indirect response”
Yup
Nature is healing
A step in the right direction
Thats good but its not over, keep up the pressure.
next year: direct response
I feel like Valve is trying to ban bots right now, because when the petition will go directly to Valve and they would say: "Look! There's no bots, so what are you talking about?"
You still see them in videos right now.
@@Labyrinth6000could be old footage, bots are mostly much raree though
Oof, you're probably right actually.
They're gonna need a LOT of paper.
I wonder how many pages it's gonna be.
it's not that bad if you just do the math
37.61111 YARDS of it in thickness to be exact, assuming each signature is one sheet of paper.
34.3916 Meters i̶f̶ y̶o̶u̶'r̶e̶ a̶ f̶i̶l̶t̶h̶y̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶
Not an european but a filthy Brazilian 😔
I asked chatgpt, results are optimistic. Only about 1400 which is 14 euros or about 22 dollars
It's SO refreshing hearing "indirect response" instead of "no response at all".
Hopefully this isn't a one-and-done thing, and the game is purged of bots forever!
ALSO, seeing that more people signed the petition after Valve took action is surprising, they probably lost hope that Valve would do... ANYTHING, which is fair.
cathook got claimed by valve
Fun thing, the banwave is continuing to go on, instead of it just being a one day thing
I'm glad Valve is actually doing something even if there's no official response, let's hope they continue to do treadmill work and we can get this game to live forever
2:19
"That's a nice bit of news Richter, why don't you back it up with a source?"
"My source is that I made it the fuck up!" \*deletes tweets*
lol I love that meme. But in all seriousness, it sucks he couldn’t back that claim up, because it’s the best news I’ve heard in a long time and I really wanted to be true
@@dannerhoinowski9520 Yeah, same, be nice if the big community leaders weren't all acting so unscrupulous and shady during this. It's making us look bad and causing people to abandon the movement
Richter try not to lie every 10 seconds challenge (Impossible
)
I know conspiracy theories are infinitely more fun than real life (they aren not) but this correlates to anything that tf2 has received in the last couple of years that wasn't community made content. Valve is silently cooking shit and then releasing it when shit gets hot to make people wrongfully connect the dots that it must be connected towards the thing they are advocating for right now when in reality it is in valves interest to stop the botting even 2 years ago well before first save tf2 bc it can easily turn into a legal matter which costs far FAR more than just a couple hundred thousand to pay some offshore company to fix the game kinda.
Not only that but richter isn't the only one who made these claims and isn't the only one who has insider knowledge. I'm assuming valve must have contacted him to remove that and stop talking about this bc this is a very sensitive matter especially with the release of deadlock basically around the corner.
GUYS ITS BEEN FUCKING 3 MINUTES HOW THE FUCK IS THERE ALREADY 16 COMMENTS
Because we love TF2 and you are a great source of this "strike" against Valve. Love your vids!
i have been awake for 20 hours and im tired as all hell but this is very nice and very kind
thank you
Because there is HOPE! :D
@@LocalPlagueDoc seeing valve ban the bots from tf2 has given you DETERMINATION
@@xobtf2 Your Commitment To The Community Will Always Be Appreciated
Before the ban wave I was seeing videos, videos PLURAL, titled "The fall of #fixTF2" and I couldn't help think "Guys, nothing's happened yet. Would you chill?"
Agreed on not sending money despite the indirect responses via bans. Valve still needs to add a permanent fix to its VAC system to ensure that they don't have to do the extensive treadmill work they have done thus far again. Afterwards, it would be nice for them to update the game via a community update like Frontline or that Aztec themed one (heavy was supposed to get a new mini gun from that) or maybe even the fabled Heavy Update.
“What Was Noise?” “The Sound Of Progress My Friend” Words From A Certain Giant Man And His Doctor
Valve: Indirect response
336k to 338k signs (2k increases instead of the usual 1k increase)
12% of all positive reviews instead of 11% on steam
TheWhat Show makes some plans public
This is one of the best episode if this series!!
The last corpse inside of the TF2 office is finally working on it (I hope.)
I love your videos. Keep it up! (3K increase actually)
I say 3K because my math says an est. Of which is ≈3k
@@doyouknoedawae i uh... i... i barealy passed math,,,, gh
@@xobtf2Oh. Well, I can tell you that it's mainly because I am accounting till all countries have passed 12AM. So don't worry, we are going stronk.
Let’s go! Keep it on.
Valve take forever to do things, but when they do something it hits HARD.
All we need now is to keep up the pressure until the problem is Gone For Good.
I don't wanna get too optimistic but it's so hard not to. This is the first time I had fun in casual in a long time and it's so damn good to just play the game. I never realized how much I took it for granted. I hope it stays this way.
I assume this will be covered in the next video, but Valve has now made an official TF2 page under Steam Support about game bans related to TF2.
Remember men: If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!
we fight for not just tf2 but for other source games out now and yet to come!
Stop saying it like that. you're actively including deadlock which is hands down one of the worst looking games i've seen since the release of runescape classic.
i just noticed, after day 25 (ban wave) the bots in the thumbnail were less saturated, conveying there are less of them
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the game
Do we need a direct response? We saw what that did last time...
Yeah, Valve knows this time around they can't do that because if they do we will demand results.
Played tf2 recently. People regularly asking "wheres bots?", there a lot more interaction in chat now. Or I'm just lucky with matchmaking.
it's been the first time in 26 days where i haven't heard the phrase "no response from valve at all"
never did i think we'd see valve notice us, im so happy they care!
I signed the stupid petition and im proud to have been a part of all of this
"Even tho the problem is being worked on" The problem isn't worked on, Valve is still being too passive into doing the minimum. We keep on with the boycott.
this outro got me all optimistic, hopeful even
как я уже говорил, мы выиграли битву но не войну, поэтому товарищи не сбавляем обороты революции и спасем тф2.#fixtf2
I already signed the petition a few weeks ago, it was a pleasure to follow your #fixtf2 news and like Rick May said: "Today is a good day." For the TF2 players who didn't sign the petition yet: go for it, let's try to reach 340k or 350k while we still can!
1:46 "The spy has already breached our defenses."
Your doing gods work by making all of this info in a very convenient spot. Thanks!!! 🙏
*Today is a good day*
Good on valve for working on banning cheaters. Also keep up the amazing videos, i love them and watch them as soon as they come out.
I’m gonna miss this video series
soon ™️
@@xobtf2the omegatronic corn wave was insane 😭
I’m gonna miss these so much
@@Sayseyphousepribe Listen, it was funny
New hope.
This is a nice first step, but we still need a VAC update. Not kidding when I say that in almost every match since the bot ban wave, I've come across at least one cheater per lobby.
Honestly, I believe the indirect response was the best thing Valve could have done. The sudden move from them surprised the bot hosters and really had them at their knees. Well done, Valve, but there’s still more work to do.
if they put 300 names per page they gon need 1100 sheets of paper to print that shit out
Just signed petition. Still don't know if its right for a tf2 fan, but not player to join this amazing show of love for the game.
Keep on making these videos!
You know, now that Valve has made a move that gets rid of the main problem... I think I will sign the petition after all this time.
"the problem is being worked on"
dude this is valve we're talking about
These are really useful videos! Thanks!
I hope the creators have a warchest with funds to print off all those names because that's going to be probably around $2,000, and if not I would happily donate a few bucks to help out with that.
they are rich youtubers who make content fron gambling a lot of money on cases for the game. they should be fine to pay for this themselves
Its good to see things are going in the right direction but i do stand my ground when i sau for us as a community to not let our guard down and keep moving forward with the protest until we get direct word from valve
Damn look like i was wrong all the time
IS THIS IT
IS THIS THE REDEMPTION ARC
IS THIS IT EVERYONE
At least you admitted it homie, your better than most.
:O
"Day 26: no response from val-AAAAGAGAG WTF"
Keep it up guys in case valve is just trying to please us so we stop talking and go back to buying. The movement isn't over till a permanent solution is made!
At least valve is doing something.
Its a start.
one day, we're gonna be saying "bots were" rather than "bots are"
Good on Valve.
Alas I fear they might slip into their old behaviours if the community stops applying the pressure.
target is scrambled, thats it wrap it up -combine soldier
Keep the pressure on so we are not dropped in the summer!
#FixTF2 #SaveTF2
If we get to 350k on the petition that would be crazy
How long until tf2 fans fly too close to sun and ask for a content update
They really dont, they want the bots fully gone first
I saw a wave of like 5 bots join and get banned before getting into the game
🎉🎉
I encountered one cheater today
Human cheater not a bot, it had a party of other non cheaters but it got kicked anyway
WE ARE SO FUCKING BACKKKKK
While im glad valve is doing something (the bare minimum) but let's not forget that a while back they also made a massive banwave in cs2 as well and since then things slowly returned to a bad state. I hope valve isn't just doing a one time cleaning and are actually developing an update to their anti-cheats and whatnot.
Oh shit Gabe Newell is gonna read my name
the amazon rain forest is done for
Dont get all giddy up, people. Yes, it is great to see some teal action from Valve, but we all saw them doing this around 2 years ago and vots came back several months later at greater numbers.
Unless Valve is actually focused on dealing with bot problem for good, we cannot stop pushing them to upkeep the bot situation in TF2 and other Valve-made Source titles, because we cannot know whether its a one-time thing like before or they actually want to dedicate themselves to creating a solution.
Dont forget lads Valve has been silent for years and it took 300k+ people for them to do there job
Indirect response?!? 2 thousand increase in signatures!?!?!?!? WE ARE SO BACK
keep up the good work, I don't really follow the content creators that heavily even before the protest began, but I really appreciate you reporting on all the happenings. get some more sleep, you deserve it!
Impossible... I dont believe it what's gonna stop the bot hosters from making new accounts?
Some bans use your ip address, so making new accounts get banned. There is obviously more to it but i dong want to give false info by mostake.
Your welcome everyone, I actually banned the bots.
Bots and some cheaters migh've been banned but yesterday i ran into three cheaters teaming up.
It may be to the fact I decided to play the long and forgotten map of Sujin but still, not a fun time.
Yeah, now instead of being a massive problem they are like an occasional mosquito now.
But if Valve doesnt do MORE there is always a chance they will come back
👾
I dont play tf2 at all really but i would hate to see this game die
xob are you monetized yet
ITS 3 AM TAKE A BREAK DUDE
i post (2011)
sorry xob im late but nice bideo btw
wow this is thr first time he missed a vid
The fact that they refuse to communicate with their customers is so patronizing.
If nobody's told you yet, you keep spelling "indirect" wrong.
Cheeseburger
It won't happen, but I REALLY want it to be on stone slabs instead of paper
I don't think Richter's claims are unfounded, but without proof it's all speculation. 2 years of behind the scenes work may seem like an excessive amount of time, but this isn't exactly something that's easy to do in the first place for a game whose source code is compromised. Again, it's nothing more than speculation but I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually true.
YESSSSSSSS
WE ARE SO BACK
Three days.
we all have three days to complain.
Synchronize your criticism watches.
evreyone rushing to comment fr
LETS GOOOOOO!!!
I’m kinda pissed how the organizers handled this. (The what show, weezy, etc.)
They went completely silent which they really shouldn’t have done. It let to a lot of discourse and miscommunication during the movement.
Also why would richter overtime just…lie..?
Valve wasn't letting a 2nd leak about their internal work again
They have not gone completely silent, they are super active on twitter and other stuff. They are just on weird schedules or are following their upload schedule
I don't know if I get the idea behind keeping the boycott going even though the game is currently in a playable state. If the bots come back en masse and Valve doesn't immediately do anything about it, I get boycotting again, but maybe we should give the dog a treat?
I SIGNED THE SAVE TF2 THING SO I HELPED Also Who Also Signed It DO NOT LIKE
inderect
YEAAASSS!!! I CAN FINALLY PLAY TF2 AGIAN WITHOUT BOTS CLOGGING UP THE SERVERS!!! 😂😂😂😂
oof, manual hardware bans. That is shome heavy hand labor, wish they would just implement proper vac for linux and also update the vac
LETS GOOOOO
Yippee
Woo!
doubt boycott will do much for players, people keep forgetting the main cash cows are Traders, as long they are still moving money around TF and valve still make money off them i dont think they frankly care about the players side of the boycott, one thing i barely hear is traders, from what i heared most of them dont really care about FixTF2 since more then half of them dont even play main game of TF2 just trade items and deal in money, as long valve see a shift in items i doubt will take much action, but current Traders are a issue for FixTF2. if people are going to promote idea of never buying items Traders will contradict it and buy items.
Ham :3
dont get your hopes up
hello xob :D
THERES A SPIDER IN MY FUCKING BED
Remember, it's not just about boycotting the official store. Steam gets a cut of all purchases on-platform, and even community markets are quite likely to involve trading with someone who ultimately got it from Valve. A complete economic shutdown is needed.
A financial boycott seems 'less' appropriate now (and it was nice to experience TF2 casual without bots recently). This ban wave should make bot-hosters think twice for a while even 'if' no further action is planned. Best to stay the boycott until a suitable set future check-in date (Such as 3rd December).
Such serves as positive reinforcement for Valve, with a built-in 'performance review'. This also lets the movement 'rest' while having a fixed check-in date to help retain focus.
KEEP THIS MOMENTUM GOING BOYS, IF THEY GIVE US AN INCH WE TAKE A MILE!!!