Hey, Tempus are welcome. We prepare a good brawl as part of the entertainment. Healers need to be hired to fix up wounded brawlers so they can join the fun again.
It made more sense for him to be Chaotic Neutral to me. Considering that war tends to oppose all people and just about anyone can die, it lends to Tempus's Chaotic Neutral alignment more.
@faselfasel2864 Also true. I guess it would be fair to say that it flows between Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Neutral, but never really favors one over the other. So, I guess that makes sense for it to be true neutral. That and two of Tempus's followers also embody the Chaotic and Lawful sides of war, respectively.
Fun fact about Talos: he is an enemy of Selune, but finds her too beautiful to hate. I think this would be a cool/cute dinamic between followers of each in a campaign.
I don’t understand how Talos could be evil: storms, forest fires, earthquakes aren’t evil, they’re just natural. Devastating, to be sure, but it’s done without any malice or forethought.
Still loving all your videos! One of my favorite parts is that you include details about temples and followers, which is so helpful when considering what to put into a future campaign. :)
OMG I am so new to 5e that while I am running Dragon of Ice Spire Peak module, I was having to avoid the subject of Talos since I couldn't find a full video about him. Thank you!
Athena picks one warrior or side and will aid them to the greatest extent she can. She is the anti-Ares who holds mastery over warfare and wards off violent death (ie Ares) for those she decides to help out. She is extremely partial and almost egotistic and spiteful (to her fellow gods and opposing mortals) in her jealous guarding of her followers. When Menelaus calls for her aid first among all gods, it is explicitly stated in the Iliad that she more or less gets a little happy ego boost and decides to help him out as a result. She is essentially tipping the scales in one warrior’s favour. Warriors on both sides would pray to her to vie for her favour, but when she picks a side it is over. The pleas of the other will fall on deaf ears, unless the side she had hitherto been supporting offends and insults her in some way (ie Ajax the Lesser defiling her temple by raping a virgin seeking protection in it). Ares delights in the slaughter, but at the same time loves and cares for both bands of warriors in his own way because they are in some way engaging in his worship by fighting. Warriors on both sides are his priests and his attendants. They are almost his unwilling and unwitting cult. Menelaus, described as being beloved by Ares, is the primary target of his “affections” when Ares blesses and empowers him with the express purpose of making him overconfident and bringing him to his death. Ares’ bloodthirst is overpowering, he cannot help his nature and even his most beloved individuals, acolytes, or family (as will be expanded upon later) cannot be saved. It is out of his hands and he has no control over it. In the Iliad (and probably in multiple sources) battle is described as the dance of Ares, and when Patroclus is killed by Sarpedon he is described as felled by Ares (ie all people who die in battle are killed by Ares because he is the personification of violent conflict). This means that his own son who is also slain in battle in the Iliad, who he grieved for and was about to slaughter the Trojans to avenge (the same Trojans he fought for just a little while ago) was slain by his own hand in the Greek perception. This is important to understand. It is not by his own choice, but Ares is completely impartial. He truly embodies the unpredictable and bloody nature of battle and war. Warriors on both sides are both dear and meaningless to Ares, and on his whim he will join one side or the other. However, there are prayers to Ares that have been preserved that seek to placate him, stay his hand and ask for mercy. In many ways Tempus is more like Ares, but in other ways more like Athena. He is far less bloodthirsty than Ares and doesn’t seem to embody violent death itself in the same way, which accounts for most of the differences. This may be considered the purview of the dead god Bhaal (so sayeth the wise Alaundo) instead, though I am unsure. In some ways Talos is like a mix of Poseidon, Zeus and Ares as well. However, in the first place there are parallels between Zeus and Ares anyway.
@@holypaladin4657 I do find it curious that Bhaal is the god of murder in the forgotten realms & Talos is the evil storm god. If anything, Bhaal’s name is strikingly similar to the Canaanite/Phoenician storm deity Ba’al. Of course, Ba’al is just the Canaanite word for lord, but it most often refers to Ba’al Hadad, god of storms, Chief of the pantheon (other than his father, El, the creator god). There’s even that competition in the Bible in which the Jewish priests defeat the priests of Ba’al in a miracle battle. The name Beelzebub (lord of the flies) is even actually a way to mock his title Ba’al Zevul (lord on high). Maybe it’s because the “real” Ba’al is heavily associated with child sacrifice & demons, or maybe the lore authors didn’t want their version to be confused with the historical deity/demon.
The only character I've been able to use is an oath of vengeance paladin that worships tempus and he is practically a death metal album, 10/10 would recommend war paladins
It seems like these gods had their names switched at birth. Talos sounds like a warrior's name while Tempus most definitely sounds like a name having to do with storms and tempests.
@@jasonmcnally3514 Especially in the Realms, "I entreat my god to avoid me and mine and focus his wrath on my enemies" is a perfectly valid method of worship
@@jasonmcnally3514 if going by the old rule of a cleric can be one alignment away from her deity, you could be CN. In general evil characters of any class do cause strife within a good-aligned party. I guess it depends on the party and the dm
Party: I don't like how we got dragged in this war, but luckely it seems our enemy has come on some hard times and has many disadvantages. Cleric/Barbarian Multiclass of Tempus: Hear my plea Tempus! stand by our opponents in this battle so we can fight a fair war! Party: Yo wtf dude?!
Klingons don't have gods, or at least the primary culture doesn't. They slew them because they found them more trouble than they were worth. Though in one of the campaigns I was in, the GM asked us to bring songs to help get a feel for our characters, and my dragonborn Bravura Warlord had a Klingon war song as his (he was a follower of the Red Knight, but it was 4E so she was one of Tempus' Exemplars).
Something that bothers me about these gods is that their names should totally be swapped. Why isn’t Tempus the god of the tempest? I’ll ask it again, WHY is TEMPUS not the god of the TEMPEST?!
Shame this video was made before Dragon of Icespire Peak came out, since Talos was given alot of attention. Also, I wanted to see more love for Gorthok- world's best Thunderboar. Still great video
...Why am I so good at accidentally making characters that are perfectly on-point without me knowing? A character I had was a War cleric of talos that suffered from (among other things) uncontrollable fits of rage, a curse inflicted on his bloodline ten generations ago. He even ended up with a false eye when an archer shot his eye out.
I've heard that Talos and Gruumsh are actually the same deity. I'm not sure if this is just a conspiracy theory (both being chaotic evil, one-eyed gods of destruction) or if there is something in the lore to suggest this. Anyone have any insight?
I’m gonna be a human storm Druid who loves nature but HATES certain creatures like goblins, redcaps, hags, necromancers, etc so I call upon the might of Talos to smite everything around me with lighting and pray that it doesn’t hit me or my friends too lol
Changed with the Sundering. From the FR-Wiki: "After the Spellplague, many came to believe that Talos was, in fact, an aspect of the orcish god Gruumsh,[8] but after the Second Sundering the two deities seemed more distinct.[9]"
It isn't. The gods are considered to be real and directly affect the world of Toril. So you can choose not to worship the gods but you can't really say they aren't real.
You'd also want to worship a God, the faithless when they die either end up floating in the Astra sea for kezef the hound of chaos to eat or they go to the realm of Kelemvor and become a piece of the wall of bones, forever left to scream in agony as they live in pain for eternity.
As if I needed any other reason to fight the Nords in Skyrim, the direct inspiration and *namesake* of their god is a CE murderhobo. Just like Tiber Septim.
2:25
"The worship of Talos is outlawed in several countries"
DAMN FAITHLESS IMPERIAL DOGS
LOL
More like Thalmor.
Today in Forgotten Realms Lore: The two gods you DON'T want to invite to your wedding.
I hear Myrkul is a hoot at parties.
you mean the 2 gods you deffinately have to invite to your wedding, specially if its themed red
TheUnborne if you really wanna make it red invite Sune, but if you wanna make it like GoT red well just invite Bhaal and dont tell anyone.
Hey, Tempus are welcome. We prepare a good brawl as part of the entertainment. Healers need to be hired to fix up wounded brawlers so they can join the fun again.
I’m kind of glad that Fifth Edition made Tempus True Neutral. It makes more sense that way.
It made more sense for him to be Chaotic Neutral to me. Considering that war tends to oppose all people and just about anyone can die, it lends to Tempus's Chaotic Neutral alignment more.
@faselfasel2864 Also true. I guess it would be fair to say that it flows between Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Neutral, but never really favors one over the other. So, I guess that makes sense for it to be true neutral. That and two of Tempus's followers also embody the Chaotic and Lawful sides of war, respectively.
Fun fact about Talos: he is an enemy of Selune, but finds her too beautiful to hate. I think this would be a cool/cute dinamic between followers of each in a campaign.
Favorite day of the week.
Talos also known as Stormcrown or Tiber Septim.... oh wait.
D&D Talos = Evil
Skyrim Talos = Good
@@99thJediWarrior Unless you ask the Thalmor...
Relating Tempus to Klingons is something I've said for decades.
I don’t understand how Talos could be evil: storms, forest fires, earthquakes aren’t evil, they’re just natural. Devastating, to be sure, but it’s done without any malice or forethought.
Still loving all your videos! One of my favorite parts is that you include details about temples and followers, which is so helpful when considering what to put into a future campaign. :)
OMG I am so new to 5e that while I am running Dragon of Ice Spire Peak module, I was having to avoid the subject of Talos since I couldn't find a full video about him. Thank you!
To put it one way, Tempus is less Ares and more Pallas Athena.
Athena picks one warrior or side and will aid them to the greatest extent she can. She is the anti-Ares who holds mastery over warfare and wards off violent death (ie Ares) for those she decides to help out. She is extremely partial and almost egotistic and spiteful (to her fellow gods and opposing mortals) in her jealous guarding of her followers. When Menelaus calls for her aid first among all gods, it is explicitly stated in the Iliad that she more or less gets a little happy ego boost and decides to help him out as a result. She is essentially tipping the scales in one warrior’s favour. Warriors on both sides would pray to her to vie for her favour, but when she picks a side it is over. The pleas of the other will fall on deaf ears, unless the side she had hitherto been supporting offends and insults her in some way (ie Ajax the Lesser defiling her temple by raping a virgin seeking protection in it).
Ares delights in the slaughter, but at the same time loves and cares for both bands of warriors in his own way because they are in some way engaging in his worship by fighting. Warriors on both sides are his priests and his attendants. They are almost his unwilling and unwitting cult. Menelaus, described as being beloved by Ares, is the primary target of his “affections” when Ares blesses and empowers him with the express purpose of making him overconfident and bringing him to his death. Ares’ bloodthirst is overpowering, he cannot help his nature and even his most beloved individuals, acolytes, or family (as will be expanded upon later) cannot be saved. It is out of his hands and he has no control over it. In the Iliad (and probably in multiple sources) battle is described as the dance of Ares, and when Patroclus is killed by Sarpedon he is described as felled by Ares (ie all people who die in battle are killed by Ares because he is the personification of violent conflict). This means that his own son who is also slain in battle in the Iliad, who he grieved for and was about to slaughter the Trojans to avenge (the same Trojans he fought for just a little while ago) was slain by his own hand in the Greek perception. This is important to understand. It is not by his own choice, but Ares is completely impartial. He truly embodies the unpredictable and bloody nature of battle and war. Warriors on both sides are both dear and meaningless to Ares, and on his whim he will join one side or the other. However, there are prayers to Ares that have been preserved that seek to placate him, stay his hand and ask for mercy.
In many ways Tempus is more like Ares, but in other ways more like Athena. He is far less bloodthirsty than Ares and doesn’t seem to embody violent death itself in the same way, which accounts for most of the differences. This may be considered the purview of the dead god Bhaal (so sayeth the wise Alaundo) instead, though I am unsure. In some ways Talos is like a mix of Poseidon, Zeus and Ares as well. However, in the first place there are parallels between Zeus and Ares anyway.
@@holypaladin4657 I do find it curious that Bhaal is the god of murder in the forgotten realms & Talos is the evil storm god. If anything, Bhaal’s name is strikingly similar to the Canaanite/Phoenician storm deity Ba’al. Of course, Ba’al is just the Canaanite word for lord, but it most often refers to Ba’al Hadad, god of storms, Chief of the pantheon (other than his father, El, the creator god). There’s even that competition in the Bible in which the Jewish priests defeat the priests of Ba’al in a miracle battle. The name Beelzebub (lord of the flies) is even actually a way to mock his title Ba’al Zevul (lord on high). Maybe it’s because the “real” Ba’al is heavily associated with child sacrifice & demons, or maybe the lore authors didn’t want their version to be confused with the historical deity/demon.
Praise Talos that we have not been struck down, so that we may have lived to see this video.
Tempus, basically Khorn when he's in a good mood
honestly Tempus would spit in Khorne's face.
No he would be more chilled khain
May Talos guide me? Wait wrong franchise.
Admiral Attila May the mighty lord of storms be pleased by this sacrifice and dont throw the worst of his wrath to me.
These videos honestly deserve more attention. Love them, lots of effort in
Spread the word! :D
Are there any evil deities where the "feared rather than worshipped" rule doesnt apply?
Lolth maybe? The drow seem to really love her.
Jorphdan yeah I guess the evil deities that are race specific like Lolth and Gruumsh are the only ones
Shar. I disagree with the idea of Gruumsh being loved, he would crush anyonw who doesnt fear him.
id go with gruumsh, male drows tend to worship her out of fear and tend to recent her, or at least iv noticed as much.
Bane.
The only character I've been able to use is an oath of vengeance paladin that worships tempus and he is practically a death metal album, 10/10 would recommend war paladins
Does Talos work as a deity for a Storm Herald Barbarian?
Yes! I'm currently playing an earth genasi storm herald who's recently caught the eye of Talos, and he's fun to play so far.
Tempus, bring us victory!!
Gustavo Fuentes Reyes By Valkur's *mighty* blade!
Tempus gave us the fight we asked of him, but his exarch the Red Knight will give us victory against this overwhelming horde!
If *Tempus* wills it
My Barbarian Zealot's divine inspiration
Just made a tempest cleric in bg3 as a follower of Talos. And then I found out he is chaotic evil
It seems like these gods had their names switched at birth. Talos sounds like a warrior's name while Tempus most definitely sounds like a name having to do with storms and tempests.
You know what else would be a good (sub)class for a worshipper of Talos? Tempest Cleric.
I’m having a hard time picturing role playing a cleric that worships a chaotic evil god. Wont that make me constantly at strife with my party?
@@jasonmcnally3514 Especially in the Realms, "I entreat my god to avoid me and mine and focus his wrath on my enemies" is a perfectly valid method of worship
@@jasonmcnally3514 if going by the old rule of a cleric can be one alignment away from her deity, you could be CN.
In general evil characters of any class do cause strife within a good-aligned party. I guess it depends on the party and the dm
Thank you Jorphdan! Stay Classy!
Awesome! 2 of my favorite Dieties on a single video.
amazing! as always - thanks mate
Finally TEMPUS!
Skyrim belongs to the Nords
Klingons in D&D... I have a new character to build
I love these, I cant wait for the monster gods
Hey Jorphdan, where did you get that picture that shows up at 3:40?
Also, 4:42. Definitely need to know where that comes from.
What's up with the Talos artwork at 1:03? It looks like he's holding a gauntlet or has possibly removed his hand entirely?
2:12 anyone else notice "Thesk" here?
Party: I don't like how we got dragged in this war, but luckely it seems our enemy has come on some hard times and has many disadvantages.
Cleric/Barbarian Multiclass of Tempus: Hear my plea Tempus! stand by our opponents in this battle so we can fight a fair war!
Party: Yo wtf dude?!
Ah yes Tempus, the god of teenage angst.
Klingons don't have gods, or at least the primary culture doesn't. They slew them because they found them more trouble than they were worth.
Though in one of the campaigns I was in, the GM asked us to bring songs to help get a feel for our characters, and my dragonborn Bravura Warlord had a Klingon war song as his (he was a follower of the Red Knight, but it was 4E so she was one of Tempus' Exemplars).
I’m exited to see Bahamet and Tiamat :)
Something that bothers me about these gods is that their names should totally be swapped. Why isn’t Tempus the god of the tempest? I’ll ask it again, WHY is TEMPUS not the god of the TEMPEST?!
Shame this video was made before Dragon of Icespire Peak came out, since Talos was given alot of attention. Also, I wanted to see more love for Gorthok- world's best Thunderboar. Still great video
Blood for the blood god!
Skull for the skull throne!
My additude on these gods
Talos: Less idiots then
Tempus: Less idiots then
I wish for a tempest song or war chant. Lots of stories talk about great song of tempest but I can find any
I actually made a Chaotic Good Fighter/Cleric devoted to Tempus on Neverwinter Nights. He wields a halberd and dons heavy armor.
Tempus is now Neutral
...Why am I so good at accidentally making characters that are perfectly on-point without me knowing? A character I had was a War cleric of talos that suffered from (among other things) uncontrollable fits of rage, a curse inflicted on his bloodline ten generations ago. He even ended up with a false eye when an archer shot his eye out.
Tempus 3:23
Wait, isn't Talos really Gruumsh?
Thinking about Wulfgar....
Definitely think they need to switch the names.
I've heard that Talos and Gruumsh are actually the same deity. I'm not sure if this is just a conspiracy theory (both being chaotic evil, one-eyed gods of destruction) or if there is something in the lore to suggest this. Anyone have any insight?
Dragon Magazine #378 seemed to hint at this. But after the events of the Sundering the two deities have been explained as separate beings.
You missed Siamorphe!
Jorfdan.
Jordan.
YORFDAHN!!
YOLO!
Is there a chaotic GOOD storm god in D&D???
Kord in the world of CR. He is called the Stormlord and he is a chaotic good god of war and storms.
Isnt Talos also a giant iron man frm ancient greece?
More like a golem
Hey, can you give us some divine favors lists? I'm kinda making a DND campaign from your vids but... Ya know
I’m gonna be a human storm Druid who loves nature but HATES certain creatures like goblins, redcaps, hags, necromancers, etc so I call upon the might of Talos to smite everything around me with lighting and pray that it doesn’t hit me or my friends too lol
4:49 wait what? You can't do both?
Yeah I worded that weird. I meant don't run away from a challenge, but don't fight a hopeless battle.
Tempus!!!!!
There it is.
Funny you didn't mention Gruumsh and Talos are the same deity.
Changed with the Sundering. From the FR-Wiki:
"After the Spellplague, many came to believe that Talos was, in fact, an aspect of the orcish god Gruumsh,[8] but after the Second Sundering the two deities seemed more distinct.[9]"
I needed this one for an NPC. I can use Talos for another NPC too.
JORPHDAN is atheïsm a thing in Faerun? (I realise that that would be incorrect in that setting)
It isn't. The gods are considered to be real and directly affect the world of Toril. So you can choose not to worship the gods but you can't really say they aren't real.
:O jorphdan the god of lore and silent PH has heared my call, the Gods must be real then
Gods are real and even mortals have become gods (see the dead three).
You'd also want to worship a God, the faithless when they die either end up floating in the Astra sea for kezef the hound of chaos to eat or they go to the realm of Kelemvor and become a piece of the wall of bones, forever left to scream in agony as they live in pain for eternity.
Wait, Talos is a god in D&D? Fuck it, I'm making a Nord.
Tempus = Ares.
He is with the best fighter , good, neutral or evil.
Wait why is the game for this labled as fallout four?
good question, not sure. I changed it to education so it should get rid of the Fallout 4 stuff.
As if I needed any other reason to fight the Nords in Skyrim, the direct inspiration and *namesake* of their god is a CE murderhobo.
Just like Tiber Septim.
Tiber septim was a hero of mankind and you will do well to remember that. faithless one
finally.
The PH knows too much.
The problem is Klingons killed their gods because they were too much trouble
Kinda like the two sides of Thor these two.
Am I the only one who hears Talos and thinks The Elder Scrolls
Note: the pic from 2:20 is from Skyrim soooooo, *awkward*
Also, reading the comments, I am definitely not the only one. Should have thought that one out more.
1:00 Pretty much how I feel about God in real life
Wait wait wait wait wait....
The God who saved Yasha is evil? Wack
Keep in mind Matt’s campaign isn’t in the forgotten realms so he could’ve changed things.
@@Exisist5151 fair point, fair point. You give me hope.
@@Exisist5151 although given the end of this most recent episode, I am still concerned. Very.
Tempus protects pacifists because he values honorable victories, and feats of martial prowess. Killing noncombatants is weak and pointless.
Tempest Doman is meh
I would watch a ton more of these in a single session buuuuut we all have lives...I think (evil laughing in background)
What a pretentious waste of letters
Should rename the video talos talos talos tempus end