I built a Yoleo G21. It is a fantastic frame. Yoleo was fantastic to work with, very prompt customer support. Got a badly threaded thru-axle, they express shipped me a new one immediately. Frame came when it was supposed to. One thing I will say is that the geometry is much more aggressive that the endurance frames I usually build. Not a problem with Yoleo or the frame itself, but just something to note. As for the finish, attention to detail - absolutely spot on. I also have built 'major manufacturer' brands at a shop in the US and the Yoleo's detail quality was better than equally priced or even much higher priced ones. Highly recommend the G21 if the geometry works for you. I just wish they would make an option without integrated headsets.
About Yoeleo. I've been riding their R12 road bike since late July 2023. The frame arrived a few weeks later than agreed, but not months like some of Patrick Lino's friends experienced. Amazing packaging, lots of useful stuff included, nice paint, UCI approved. The bike is almost perfect but there's been one ongoing problem with the seat post. I offered to BUY a new one. They said they would send me a new one as a warranty issue this was many weeks ago. I'm still waiting and the latest I've heard is they will ship it on Jan. 4, 2024. We'll see if they get it done this time. As for the bike itself, as you said, there is a lot of attention to detail, it is fast and very comfortable. Brake mounts were fine, BB area is fine. Dropouts fine. No nuts rusting. I like the geometry too. But communication AFTER the sale from Yoeleo is not always easy and requires patience. This is in marked contrast to my experience with ICAN, a different Chinese company. (I have nothing but very good things to say about ICAN). I really want Yoeleo to succeed but they have customer service issues they need to address. Based on a recent Cam Nichols video, where they sent a UA-camr an R12 with a really bad QC issue, they are now facing a bit of a trust crisis. I understand they are not a big company, but they need to invest in this. Would I buy from them again? For now I'm a bit undecided. Well see. I definitely don't rule it out. I am hoping they have now been shocked into making the necessary changes to regain their standing.
My take from riding this in a size 56: + Stability is great (confidence inspiring descender, corners predictably) + Great attention to detail (packaging, faced brake mounts and BB etc) + Beautiful interior (nice and clean, smooth all over, no play in bearing seats) + Enjoyable and easy assembly (comparable to the best western-brand frames I’ve built over the years) - Uncomfortable rear on really rough terrain on 40C tires (rear end transfers excessive amounts of vibration, bigger tires needed) - Very stiff cockpit (handlebars are very stiff which causes hand pain on rougher terrain, good for easy gravel) - Not very lively/ agile when putting the foot down (compared to other gravel bikes I’ve ridden from Open, Specialized Diverge and a couple of Chinese brands such as Light Carbon the rear is rather uninspiring, I’m guessing it’s the long chain stays, if you want something which feels responsive and eager to accelerate this isn’t the best option in my experience, I’d look at something with shorter chain stays - Long shipping time (9months and a lot of postponing along the way) Edit: this now seems to have been adressed! Recommended for someone looking for a stable bikepacking rig, probably best suited for tyres around 45-47C with lower pressures to mitigate the road buzz if you're going out on the really rough stuff. Obviously I’m just another individual with a passion for building and riding bikes 8-12h/ week so your experience might be different. But that’s another perspective for anyone who might benefit. Thanks Joe for all you do for the community 🤟
@campvica5518 Thanks for sharing your experience on riding our G21. 👍We now have sufficient stock for our G21 framesets for riders who wanna go for a gravel ride/race right away! 😄
This is a very real and honest review. I can relate on the stiffness of the cockpit and the lack of agility - even on 45c with 2bar it still causes hand pain and you actually try to dodge every bump. I think it will be the first bike I need to ride with gloves on. I first thought the bike felt sluggish bc of the wide tires but then I put on 40c and it still feels the same. Its a pitty since its a very solid bike overall, but on very long rides (100k+) with a lot of gravel the pain makes it not very enjoyable, which is actually not something you want from a bike packing bike imho. lets see how this performs in winter with gloves on and everything.
@blinzi69 Good to hear someone with a similar experience as myself, confirms that this wasn't just a one-off which I first thought when bringing it up with Yoeleo who persisted that the G21 is a race gravel machine to which I responded that it wasn't responsive enough for any race team to be accepted as such. I suggest you pass your feedback to Yoeleo as well, they need to hear it from their consumers. Carbon bikes are often placed on the dead-spongy scale where dead means too stiff and unforgiving, and spongy, well speaks for itself. This scale is often intended as a means of describing how balanced a bike is in terms of stiffness - compliance as the industry calls it. To add to my previous review and follow suit of @blinzi69 up there. I would place the G21very much towards the dead end of the scale, where the riding experience simply becomes a bit harsh yet still not very agile/ lively. Again, probably due to the long rear end/ chain stays. Hope this helps.
@@campvica yeah I will pass the feedback to Yoeleo. I hope I can compensate the harsh feeling with some gel gloves - I never needed them for any bike - always riding without no problems, but this cockpit is something else. the lack of agility and lifeliness is something I can maybe live with as its supposed to be an easy ride long distance bike, but the pain in the hands is totally not acceptable. Dunno how Yoeleo will react and no idea if I could possibly return the bike - if not I will have to ditch it and sell it or put on some entry level groupset and sell it.
Having ridden mine for some kms now I cant agree with that too harsh rear end thingy. Perhaps because I am close to 90 kilos but the bike feels real smooth. I run 35 mm Schwalbe RS tires at about 4 bar and am completely happy. Going down to 3.5 would be even better. Totally different from my road bike-longer, slower, handling not as sharp but all this is to be expected. This is a long distance cruiser-comfy af. Given the road conditions around here-cracks, potholes etc this will be the bike I will ride the most. I built it with super easy gearing-GRX 46/30 to 11/40 cassette and it feels fantastic to look down and see I still have half the cassette on steeps where I am already huffing and puffing in the easiest gear on my road bike. This bike opens a whole new world of opportunities to me, I really really like it.
I just ordered a 2023 version Yoeleo R12 road frame. It should arrive early next week. I'm going to set it up with Ultegra 11-sp Di2 and with Elite 50D wheels. I'm glad to hear the G21 is well thought out. I have high hopes for the R12.
@@YOELEO I should add that even though I haven't received the frame yet, I've had very good communication with Yoeleo as I was deciding what to order and also in following the progress of the shipment. (Special thanks to Jasmine). I should add that a number of years ago I owned a set of Yoeleo wheels that were quite good. Actually incredibly good considering what I paid for them.
Looks good. If only I'm not so picky about my bike geometry, I'd probably grab it. What I don't like of Yoeleo G21: fork offset is only 47mm. I like 55mm fork offset for a gravel bike with slack-ish HTA. What I don't like of Yoeleo R11: bb drop is only 69mm on all sizes. I like 74mm on small sizes. 72.5 deg HTA + 45mm fork offset is just fine. But I wish they'd go with 72deg HTA + 49mm fork offset more for size 49 and 52.
I got a G21 frame in April. My issues are that the compression plug had a problem. Glad Yoeleo sent a spare. Also, have an unsightly gap between the fork top and the tube. Also routing cables through the bars was a pain in the ass. Really tight. But otherwise it rides like a dream. It looks amazing with the Yoeleo gravel wheels and is the envy of other club riders.
Thanks for your kind opinions, we have fixed the compression plug and gap for our G21, also we pre-route all of our handlebars before shipping to make it easier for building. All of your feedback make us grow, highly appreciate your LOVE on our G21! Enjoy your rides! 😄
@@YOELEOI have been a customer since 2015 and I just ordered my G21, I was told 2 weeks to the U.S. I’d like to re-confirm shipping due to leaving the U.S. for a period of time in mid August. Will the frame arrive in time? I am considering ordering a R12 in the near future. Thanks and keep up the good work!
@@RafaSplanB Wow, almost 10 years! 😃 Yes, i have checked and confirmed that your G21 will be with you in time before you leave U.S. , also let us know anytime if you need R12 or anything else from YOELEO. Thank you so much for your support for so many years! ❤🤝
I have toe overlap on my Yoeleo R11 59cm bike. It is mostly the result of semi mid foot cleat position to avoid my heals hitting the chain stays. It also provides for a more stable foot. The toe overlay is never a problem in practice. You have to turn at a ridiculous sharp angle to make contact with the front tire. Maybe off road cyclists make sharp turns at very low speed.
Hey Joe, great to have you back reviewing things and bring awareness to brands that’s pretty unknown to us. looking forward to your new site once it’s 100% complete. Could i request for a follow up/long term review video of your custom titanium bike frame? i currently own a known brand Ti Frame but i’m thinking of one custom biked to my spec. But as you know, when it comes down to custom things, the world is my oyster. For a layman, is it worth going down the rabbit hole?
The jab at GC Performance build was golden. TBH hated GC ballooning tyres, too wide for rims, look a bit ugly imho. Still love You both and the content. ✌️
I don’t do too much gravel riding, but I do CX racing. I imagine the total build weight could be dropped by at least a pound. Something to consider. Thanks for the great review.
I think the weight may also be coming from the L-Twoo groupset. If you check out Trace Velo's videos, he mentions how the brake calipers alone were significantly heavier than Shimano ones.
@@ynie1I am building mine at the moment with GRX 2x and quite honestly do not expect anything below 8.5 kg for L size. Perhaps more. But I don’t really care as this is supposed to be my go-anywhere-not-necessarily-fast bike
Put the bike bag parallel with the frame. Best place to have it is like a Bento box/ on top of the top tube. Having it in the front on the handlebars is a HUGE negative for aero.
is it just me or does the cockpit feel very firm and hard? it could have a little more flexibility for my taste - running 45mm tires 2bar and its still very harsh to go over bumps.
Thank you for the video. I am interested in this bike. But do you think that the tire clearance on the G21 frame with Continental Racing King Protection tires on 26 mm inner width and 31 mm outer width wheels will be fine?
Nice looking bike 🤤 also good to see something else than gravelking tyres. I'm also using rambler on my do it all ebike. I have been looking at yoeleo frames for a couple of years but realistic it won't work for my back.
The geometry of this is pretty forgiving to a short and angled up stem if that's what your back needs...at least if you don't need their 2 smallest frames.
In my mind, Yoeleo was the cheap Chinese brand (speaking as a Chinese cyclist) that made heavy open mould frames that you'd buy if you couldn't afford the western brands. Glad to see Yoeleo is creating their own frames and upping their quality to match or exceed that of the western brands. Although it is more expensive, but paying a premium is worth it if the product is premium. Two suggestions to Yoeleo. First, I wish more companies would engineer a downtube storage area. I checked out the Diverge earlier this month and loved the concept of storing spares in their "SWAT" compartment. Also, I would love to see Yoeleo follow in the footsteps of Craft Works and build wheelsets that have wider widths to support the wider tires. It looks like they're using the same mould for their disc and rim-brake wheels, and not taking advantage of removing the rim-brake track from disc-brake wheels.
Now that I have a Domane, I can't see myself buying a bike without in frame storage unless it's a TT or track bike *The rim issue is a big deal. It means they're not optimizing the aerodynamics for disc brake wheels
@tonyg3091 need whatever you want. We all want different things. I'm not professional anymore so I train a lot on bikes I race on. It's nice to have the storage.
@ChinaCycling That's why you got no toe overlap Joe. It's acceptable for road but not mtb and gravel where low speed bike manipulation is often required. Keep up your good work Joe 👏
@@YOELEO L (56) and I am completely happy with the head tube size. I posted this because some people get misled by the fact the headtube is very small here and think the overall geometry is too aggressive which it absolutely isn’t.
Not at all bothered by their increasing prices but I'd like to see longer than a 6yr warranty coming with that price. *Rivnuts rusting at least means they're steel. Definitely better than aluminum when people pack their bags so heavy and are removing bolts often
Had one wheelset from Yoeleo. It simply exploded after I inflated the first tubeless tyre at around 4 bars....Yoeleo service was like ..|.. your problem my friend.... Sooo I'm back on my trusty zipp 303s. I guess it was just a bad sample. Warrenty simply does not exist
Never heard of Yoeleo, first time saw it on GC performance channel. He showed the packaging things you've mansioned. The build looks awesome and 8,6 kg is nice too 👌 I've missed some closeup shots of the frame details.
The geometry looks spot on. A shame Chinese brands are also on the integrated cockpit bandwagon. Hence you’re forced to buy a carbon integrated handlebar set up which doesn’t allow easy fit tweaking and boosts the price up dramatically.
What they need to do is make a stem like FSA and Deda Superbox and offer it as an alternative. Not everyone is buying that new integrated handlebars gimmick.
@@ChinaCycling thanks. I was wondering which width youve got. I talked to yoeleo to get recommendation and they said I could use standard sram t47 road (85,5) or wide, so I bought the standard. the issue is that I cant run any chainring larger than a 44t (with 4,5mm spacer on drive side). the chainring is a standard sram x-sync 44t. with it im having like 2mm to the chain stay. im a bit confused how you can run a 46t.
Beside that, Im super happy. running sram force xplr-groupset, farsports wheelset and Continental speed king 2.2". Ive ridden quote interesting mtg-trails with it. most of it quite comfortable.
They still don't deliver. I ordered a frame for my wife mid-april, still no update. I find it frustrating that their marketing is pushing G21 for this summer, if you order one right now, you might get it before summer 2024.
@@pongo1372 Thanks. I also got your name from your UA-cam profile and asked Yoeleo, they said it shipped yesterday and took longer than usual because you didn't want holes in the front fork or something...I'll email you back.
Thanks to Joe, we finally received it this week. It’s a really nice frame and hardware provided for assembly is much improved compared to the R12 I built during the pandemic panic. It’s available on panda podium.
not for road racing or crits what's it for then angles and wheel base ? please looks more for gravel if so please lets know up front so the rest of us can switch off.
@@ChinaCycling kk just wanted to share that ex: winspace makes only 'normal ppl' friendly top frames. To give you example, it's like going to a big small to buy shoes. Sizing stops at 10 and you're 13... Unlucky. Just pointing the topic. Would be great if you could always point the sizing options (as you do with the smallest frames)
6:20 Sorry to disagree completely! If you want a relaxed bike do not buy it, going a larger size or just adding spacers is not how a bike is supposed to work. This is a very aggressive geometry for gravel. Great for racing!
I wouldn't say it's impossible to go with a larger size. For my gravel build 3 years ago, I purposely went with a sized-up bike and a 70mm stem to give the bike more of a agile/snappy feel similar to a MTB.
Adding a small number of spacers isn't much of an issue, or using a +12degree stem without spacers. It's a gravel bike, it already has longer rear to center measurement that'll work with having more weight on the back wheel. *It also looks like you have a bunch of spacers under your stem Mr Kettle. That mixed with a very angled down saddle😅
@@jonpoon3896 good thing it has run of the mill gravel seat and head angles then huh?😉 The geometry is not out of the ordinary. Their sizes are though and most people used to the big brands will likely benefit from going down a size which will largely give them the same size bike they're presently riding if they're on the shorter end. Less of an issue for taller folks like me.
I lost a bit of faith in you after pushing those Winspace Hyper 50 wheels. They were not good wheels, most of the spokes fell out, no matter how much you trued and fastened the spokes they would always come loose and fall out. How can we trust that the rest of the stuff on your new website won't be the same?
Did you contact Winspace? There are literally tens of thousands of people using those wheels around the world without issues. Sounds like you got a fault set. Get in touch with them!
@@veganpotterthevegan Oh its you again, I remember you. Current year argument nice. What if I want to run a suspension seat post or dropper. The actual aerodynamic gain compared to a standard 27.2 seat post is probably negligible. What if I have problems with the seat post or seat post clamp down the line. I can only get spare parts form this company, if they decide to stop supplying parts or there is a supply chain issue again I am stuck with a useless frame. What do I do with it chuck it in the land fill ?
To be fair, I think this is on the same quality as many of the western brands, have you seen the cost of the ENVE Mog? It's $5500 just for the frameset + handlebars.
Their bikes were also very simple back then. They're doing a lot more R&D now. They do still have an aero frameset just under $1100 but it doesn't come with handlebars
I don't remember 500, but I do remember a lot cheaper. As a % of the price of a western brand I think they've remained the same though. Obviously I wish every bike frame was 500 bucks, but its just not the world we live in...
I understand your perspective, and it's valid to consider the resale value and overall value for money when making a purchase. However, it's important to note that value can be subjective and dependent on individual preferences. While a name brand frame may have higher resale value, it doesn't necessarily mean it offers better value for everyone. When evaluating the value of a product, it's essential to consider factors beyond just the brand name. Quality, durability, design, and customer satisfaction are all important aspects to take into account. There are many lesser-known brands that offer exceptional quality and craftsmanship at a more affordable price point, making them a worthwhile investment for some people. Additionally, personal style and uniqueness are also significant factors for many individuals. Some people prefer to stand out with a distinctive frame that may not be as widely recognized but still suits their taste and personality perfectly. Ultimately, the decision to purchase a particular frame depends on a variety of factors, including individual preferences, budget constraints, and the value one places on the brand name. It's essential to consider all these aspects before concluding that a product is too expensive without considering its potential benefits and unique features.
@@satriobanyubiru6652 Yeah, of course, I consider all those things. Another factor here that I hadn't thought about while writing that first comment is: these days, prices of framesets are now higher related to prices of fully built bikes. When buying from the big brands now, it only makes sense to buy a full bike, even if you don't need all the parts, because they charge so much for the frame, if they even sell the frame alone. I don't really know why the industry changed this way. So I guess if I compare this frame to buying just a frame from the big brands, there might be a pretty significant savings.
The improvement of the details, carbon fiber layup and production methods are reasons why the price is increasing. We still make sure that the value you get is more than what you paid 😊
My only problem is they push their stupid handlebars onto everyone when it is clear that separate stem/handlebars work better and there are infinitely better bars on the market
They have their own seperate bar and stem option if you stop being so dam ignorant. He even mentions this in the video. I have a yoeleo and have a ritchey bar and vision stem still running internal cables. Use your brain a little and realise other possibilities exist.
They have their own stem that lets you go fully internal with any bar, etc, etc. I'm still on the fence about fully internal cable routing for. a gravel bike, but in the context of trying to keep it aero, i guess it makes sense.
The quoted rider weight limit is 110kg. I'm not sure if this includes the weight of the bike itself or not. Could this be a problem for taller and heavier riders who want to use the G21 for bike packing, which means you might be adding nearly 10 kg of bags, camping gear and water bottles? Gravel wheels from western brands are typically spec'ed at 120 or 130 kg, so it would be nice if the frame was certified at a higher limit.
@@js75000 IMHO Yoeleo have been very conservative here. If you look at their light climbing bike the R11, the weight limit is 105 kg and the G21 is much tougher built. In my size (56) the frame only weights 1300+ grams and feels like a tank so I guess the safety margin they built into it is huge.
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The G21 is a lovely gravel bike. Perhaps more bike-packing than gravel race but super high quality. Dear Yoeleo: Please bring back the R21.
Bike-packing with that aggressive geo?
@@debasishnayak8610 ...and lack of adventure nipples?
@@debasishnayak8610What´s so aggressive about it? Compared to my TCR the G21 is like a SUV to 911
I think it could hold it's own in a gravel race. You can get into a pretty aggressive position with that sliding seatpost clamp, etc.
#Yoeleo definitely needs to bring back the R21!
I built a Yoleo G21. It is a fantastic frame. Yoleo was fantastic to work with, very prompt customer support. Got a badly threaded thru-axle, they express shipped me a new one immediately. Frame came when it was supposed to. One thing I will say is that the geometry is much more aggressive that the endurance frames I usually build. Not a problem with Yoleo or the frame itself, but just something to note.
As for the finish, attention to detail - absolutely spot on. I also have built 'major manufacturer' brands at a shop in the US and the Yoleo's detail quality was better than equally priced or even much higher priced ones.
Highly recommend the G21 if the geometry works for you. I just wish they would make an option without integrated headsets.
Great to hear good feedback for things I'm recommending!
Beautiful build 😊
Almost as beautiful as you, my fair bearded prince.
Good to have you have back in action (reviewing bikes) looking forward to your site too!
About Yoeleo. I've been riding their R12 road bike since late July 2023. The frame arrived a few weeks later than agreed, but not months like some of Patrick Lino's friends experienced. Amazing packaging, lots of useful stuff included, nice paint, UCI approved. The bike is almost perfect but there's been one ongoing problem with the seat post. I offered to BUY a new one. They said they would send me a new one as a warranty issue this was many weeks ago. I'm still waiting and the latest I've heard is they will ship it on Jan. 4, 2024. We'll see if they get it done this time. As for the bike itself, as you said, there is a lot of attention to detail, it is fast and very comfortable. Brake mounts were fine, BB area is fine. Dropouts fine. No nuts rusting. I like the geometry too. But communication AFTER the sale from Yoeleo is not always easy and requires patience. This is in marked contrast to my experience with ICAN, a different Chinese company. (I have nothing but very good things to say about ICAN). I really want Yoeleo to succeed but they have customer service issues they need to address. Based on a recent Cam Nichols video, where they sent a UA-camr an R12 with a really bad QC issue, they are now facing a bit of a trust crisis. I understand they are not a big company, but they need to invest in this. Would I buy from them again? For now I'm a bit undecided. Well see. I definitely don't rule it out. I am hoping they have now been shocked into making the necessary changes to regain their standing.
My take from riding this in a size 56:
+ Stability is great (confidence inspiring descender, corners predictably)
+ Great attention to detail (packaging, faced brake mounts and BB etc)
+ Beautiful interior (nice and clean, smooth all over, no play in bearing seats)
+ Enjoyable and easy assembly (comparable to the best western-brand frames I’ve built over the years)
- Uncomfortable rear on really rough terrain on 40C tires (rear end transfers excessive amounts of vibration, bigger tires needed)
- Very stiff cockpit (handlebars are very stiff which causes hand pain on rougher terrain, good for easy gravel)
- Not very lively/ agile when putting the foot down (compared to other gravel bikes I’ve ridden from Open, Specialized Diverge and a couple of Chinese brands such as Light Carbon the rear is rather uninspiring, I’m guessing it’s the long chain stays, if you want something which feels responsive and eager to accelerate this isn’t the best option in my experience, I’d look at something with shorter chain stays
- Long shipping time (9months and a lot of postponing along the way) Edit: this now seems to have been adressed!
Recommended for someone looking for a stable bikepacking rig, probably best suited for tyres around 45-47C with lower pressures to mitigate the road buzz if you're going out on the really rough stuff. Obviously I’m just another individual with a passion for building and riding bikes 8-12h/ week so your experience might be different. But that’s another perspective for anyone who might benefit. Thanks Joe for all you do for the community 🤟
@campvica5518 Thanks for sharing your experience on riding our G21. 👍We now have sufficient stock for our G21 framesets for riders who wanna go for a gravel ride/race right away! 😄
This is a very real and honest review. I can relate on the stiffness of the cockpit and the lack of agility - even on 45c with 2bar it still causes hand pain and you actually try to dodge every bump. I think it will be the first bike I need to ride with gloves on. I first thought the bike felt sluggish bc of the wide tires but then I put on 40c and it still feels the same. Its a pitty since its a very solid bike overall, but on very long rides (100k+) with a lot of gravel the pain makes it not very enjoyable, which is actually not something you want from a bike packing bike imho. lets see how this performs in winter with gloves on and everything.
@blinzi69 Good to hear someone with a similar experience as myself, confirms that this wasn't just a one-off which I first thought when bringing it up with Yoeleo who persisted that the G21 is a race gravel machine to which I responded that it wasn't responsive enough for any race team to be accepted as such. I suggest you pass your feedback to Yoeleo as well, they need to hear it from their consumers.
Carbon bikes are often placed on the dead-spongy scale where dead means too stiff and unforgiving, and spongy, well speaks for itself. This scale is often intended as a means of describing how balanced a bike is in terms of stiffness - compliance as the industry calls it. To add to my previous review and follow suit of @blinzi69 up there. I would place the G21very much towards the dead end of the scale, where the riding experience simply becomes a bit harsh yet still not very agile/ lively. Again, probably due to the long rear end/ chain stays. Hope this helps.
@@campvica yeah I will pass the feedback to Yoeleo. I hope I can compensate the harsh feeling with some gel gloves - I never needed them for any bike - always riding without no problems, but this cockpit is something else. the lack of agility and lifeliness is something I can maybe live with as its supposed to be an easy ride long distance bike, but the pain in the hands is totally not acceptable. Dunno how Yoeleo will react and no idea if I could possibly return the bike - if not I will have to ditch it and sell it or put on some entry level groupset and sell it.
Having ridden mine for some kms now I cant agree with that too harsh rear end thingy. Perhaps because I am close to 90 kilos but the bike feels real smooth. I run 35 mm Schwalbe RS tires at about 4 bar and am completely happy.
Going down to 3.5 would be even better.
Totally different from my road bike-longer, slower, handling not as sharp but all this is to be expected. This is a long distance cruiser-comfy af. Given the road conditions around here-cracks, potholes etc this will be the bike I will ride the most.
I built it with super easy gearing-GRX 46/30 to 11/40 cassette and it feels fantastic to look down and see I still have half the cassette on steeps where I am already huffing and puffing in the easiest gear on my road bike.
This bike opens a whole new world of opportunities to me, I really really like it.
I just ordered a 2023 version Yoeleo R12 road frame. It should arrive early next week. I'm going to set it up with Ultegra 11-sp Di2 and with Elite 50D wheels. I'm glad to hear the G21 is well thought out. I have high hopes for the R12.
Thank you for the trust. We keep improving our brand and customer experience.
@@YOELEO I should add that even though I haven't received the frame yet, I've had very good communication with Yoeleo as I was deciding what to order and also in following the progress of the shipment. (Special thanks to Jasmine). I should add that a number of years ago I owned a set of Yoeleo wheels that were quite good. Actually incredibly good considering what I paid for them.
Looks good. If only I'm not so picky about my bike geometry, I'd probably grab it.
What I don't like of Yoeleo G21: fork offset is only 47mm. I like 55mm fork offset for a gravel bike with slack-ish HTA.
What I don't like of Yoeleo R11: bb drop is only 69mm on all sizes. I like 74mm on small sizes. 72.5 deg HTA + 45mm fork offset is just fine. But I wish they'd go with 72deg HTA + 49mm fork offset more for size 49 and 52.
I got a G21 frame in April. My issues are that the compression plug had a problem. Glad Yoeleo sent a spare. Also, have an unsightly gap between the fork top and the tube. Also routing cables through the bars was a pain in the ass. Really tight. But otherwise it rides like a dream. It looks amazing with the Yoeleo gravel wheels and is the envy of other club riders.
Thanks for your kind opinions, we have fixed the compression plug and gap for our G21, also we pre-route all of our handlebars before shipping to make it easier for building. All of your feedback make us grow, highly appreciate your LOVE on our G21! Enjoy your rides! 😄
@@YOELEOI have been a customer since 2015 and I just ordered my G21, I was told 2 weeks to the U.S. I’d like to re-confirm shipping due to leaving the U.S. for a period of time in mid August. Will the frame arrive in time? I am considering ordering a R12 in the near future. Thanks and keep up the good work!
@@RafaSplanB Wow, almost 10 years! 😃 Yes, i have checked and confirmed that your G21 will be with you in time before you leave U.S. , also let us know anytime if you need R12 or anything else from YOELEO. Thank you so much for your support for so many years! ❤🤝
Lol yeah, that gap is weird…😂
@@YOELEOHow can this gap be fixed? I mean, can I do something about it on my frame?
I have toe overlap on my Yoeleo R11 59cm bike. It is mostly the result of semi mid foot cleat position to avoid my heals hitting the chain stays. It also provides for a more stable foot. The toe overlay is never a problem in practice. You have to turn at a ridiculous sharp angle to make contact with the front tire. Maybe off road cyclists make sharp turns at very low speed.
Would pedal axle extenders help matters?
I wear Shimano size 45 shoes and on G21 size 56 the only way to get a toe overlap is to mount the cleats 5 cm behind my heel…😂
Love the handlebar shape. I was searching for this exactly. But seem like wont fit other bikes.
It will fit i think, the diameter is normal
Why? Well except for Canyon and Giant obviously.
Hey Joe, great to have you back reviewing things and bring awareness to brands that’s pretty unknown to us. looking forward to your new site once it’s 100% complete.
Could i request for a follow up/long term review video of your custom titanium bike frame? i currently own a known brand Ti Frame but i’m thinking of one custom biked to my spec. But as you know, when it comes down to custom things, the world is my oyster. For a layman, is it worth going down the rabbit hole?
Any idea on whether Winspace or Yoeleo are going to produce an endurance frame?
The jab at GC Performance build was golden. TBH hated GC ballooning tyres, too wide for rims, look a bit ugly imho. Still love You both and the content. ✌️
GC is my homie. It's all love.
The lack of toe over lap could be the fork rake having bigger angle. Common rake angle is 45°, biggest i came across is 55°
I don’t do too much gravel riding, but I do CX racing. I imagine the total build weight could be dropped by at least a pound. Something to consider. Thanks for the great review.
The frame itself is heavy and I like that, it is built like a tank.
I think the weight may also be coming from the L-Twoo groupset. If you check out Trace Velo's videos, he mentions how the brake calipers alone were significantly heavier than Shimano ones.
@@ynie1I am building mine at the moment with GRX 2x and quite honestly do not expect anything below 8.5 kg for L size. Perhaps more. But I don’t really care as this is supposed to be my go-anywhere-not-necessarily-fast bike
Yeah... this build wasn't supposed to be crazy high end. I have a very light gravel build coming soon. ;) ;)
I wanna build a frugal carbon frame road bike. Do you have a video or recommendation how to do it step by step? Thank you
would be interested if I could put a dropper on it but not sure if compatible.
Updated version next year will have a round seatpost.
Put the bike bag parallel with the frame. Best place to have it is like a Bento box/ on top of the top tube. Having it in the front on the handlebars is a HUGE negative for aero.
This! I need to get a proper bento box...
Any particular reason Panda Podium doesn't carry the Yeoleo road bike frames?
None of us have ever ridden one of the newer ones. If we don't test it, we don't sell it. If I get time, I'll build one up.
The price includes the handlebars? If so, I think it's somewhat reasonable.....
It does.. this and light carbon are allike and fair priced
Yes, the price is with handlebar included.
is it just me or does the cockpit feel very firm and hard? it could have a little more flexibility for my taste - running 45mm tires 2bar and its still very harsh to go over bumps.
Is the a comfortable carbon Chinese hybrid or commuter bikes that you recommend? Thanks
Thank you for the video. I am interested in this bike. But do you think that the tire clearance on the G21 frame with Continental Racing King Protection tires on 26 mm inner width and 31 mm outer width wheels will be fine?
If they would have a round seat tube and lower stand over height maybe I would pick this up....the price is great!
We will consider that for future development, thank you for your suggestion. 😊
It is true the standover height is significant. I don’t mind it but yeah, the bike IS tall.
Nice looking bike 🤤 also good to see something else than gravelking tyres. I'm also using rambler on my do it all ebike.
I have been looking at yoeleo frames for a couple of years but realistic it won't work for my back.
The geometry of this is pretty forgiving to a short and angled up stem if that's what your back needs...at least if you don't need their 2 smallest frames.
Geometry is fine. You can easily check it. This is not a race bike by any stretch.
These MAXXIS tires have been good to me.
Is there i believe an elves gravel frame on the horizon..any insights ?
In my mind, Yoeleo was the cheap Chinese brand (speaking as a Chinese cyclist) that made heavy open mould frames that you'd buy if you couldn't afford the western brands. Glad to see Yoeleo is creating their own frames and upping their quality to match or exceed that of the western brands. Although it is more expensive, but paying a premium is worth it if the product is premium. Two suggestions to Yoeleo. First, I wish more companies would engineer a downtube storage area. I checked out the Diverge earlier this month and loved the concept of storing spares in their "SWAT" compartment. Also, I would love to see Yoeleo follow in the footsteps of Craft Works and build wheelsets that have wider widths to support the wider tires. It looks like they're using the same mould for their disc and rim-brake wheels, and not taking advantage of removing the rim-brake track from disc-brake wheels.
Now that I have a Domane, I can't see myself buying a bike without in frame storage unless it's a TT or track bike
*The rim issue is a big deal. It means they're not optimizing the aerodynamics for disc brake wheels
Wrong.
You need to get an update. Their latest gravel wheels are 22 mm internal, 30 mm external. How much wider would you like?
@@veganpottertheveganOn a race road bike I need internal storage as much as I need a hole in my head, just saying…
@tonyg3091 need whatever you want. We all want different things. I'm not professional anymore so I train a lot on bikes I race on. It's nice to have the storage.
I would like someone to tell me if yoeleo r12 and miracle r12 are the same build quality, thanks!
Someone should host a gravel race in china. I can’t find any place to ride gravel bikes.
What size she's you riding Joe? My G21 has toe overlap...45 shoes , 56 frame.
I have tiny feet, size 39 shoes, haha.
@ChinaCycling That's why you got no toe overlap Joe. It's acceptable for road but not mtb and gravel where low speed bike manipulation is often required.
Keep up your good work Joe 👏
Are any of these Chinese companies going after the mountain bike segment?
can you put on a regular stem and handlebar on this frame?
Absolutely
Will chinese manufacturers hop on the new bottom bracket standards any time soon? T47/BSA?
By the way, this crazy short head tube is obviously for XS and S size. Larger frames look very differently
For sure, we need to adjust the headtube height to fit different size. Tony what size is your G21?
@@YOELEO L (56) and I am completely happy with the head tube size. I posted this because some people get misled by the fact the headtube is very small here and think the overall geometry is too aggressive which it absolutely isn’t.
Love the OUTRO 💯💥🙊👍
Haha, editing is boring as heck, need to entertain myself somehow..
You mention 46 x 10. I asked LTWOO and they told me it only works with 11 cassette. Please explain
Sometimes you just gotta stick it to the man. It works fine with the 10T. May not be super crisp microsecond shifting, but it shifts.
@@ChinaCycling Thanks Joe
Hey CC why did you leave Winspace btw?
Looks like making Panda Podium, he needed to be an independent distributor
There's a story there... will have to wait for another day though... ;)
Hi Joe - _nice looking_ frame. Why not use a bento bag instead of the bar bag? Seems like it would be similar capacity, more convenient & more aero.
You're right. Always trying to find one I like. Will pull the trigger on one soon.
@@ChinaCycling the folks at Tailfin make some nice ones, w/ two different designs as to how to access the main compartment.
Not at all bothered by their increasing prices but I'd like to see longer than a 6yr warranty coming with that price.
*Rivnuts rusting at least means they're steel. Definitely better than aluminum when people pack their bags so heavy and are removing bolts often
I like that they keep tweaking and improving the bike from 2021.
Are Yeoleo bringing back the R9? It dropped off their store a year ago 🙁
We are promoting our R11 DB and R12 DB for road, not providing R9 anymore, haha!😀
Very good review: 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you liked it!
Had one wheelset from Yoeleo. It simply exploded after I inflated the first tubeless tyre at around 4 bars....Yoeleo service was like ..|.. your problem my friend.... Sooo I'm back on my trusty zipp 303s. I guess it was just a bad sample. Warrenty simply does not exist
love that wheel balance , which model is ? 😍🤩
lovely, nice look, great paint color... but not a cheap price...
Never heard of Yoeleo, first time saw it on GC performance channel. He showed the packaging things you've mansioned. The build looks awesome and 8,6 kg is nice too 👌 I've missed some closeup shots of the frame details.
Yeah, 8.6 was without really trying. I should have put together a full build list with prices and parts, but too busy these days.
you have recommendations to cover the holes with rubber plugs? which one would fit in there?
We will provide the bolts to cover the holes if you choose the fork with mounting holes. 😉
@@YOELEO oh thats cool - but its metal right? rubber would be cool, saves weight :-P
@@blinzi69 Yes, it is metal,but don`t weigh much. haha! 😆
@@blinzi69Titanium bolts
I bought some rubber plugs on Amazon to cover some unused holes in my frame. They come in mm sizes.
You chose the integrated bar/stem for the aero gains, but put a huge bag right there? lol
Funny thing, that bag can be taken off. 🙈 Keep it on for training with empty back pockets, then use jersey pockets for racing.
@@ChinaCycling fair enough
The geometry looks spot on. A shame Chinese brands are also on the integrated cockpit bandwagon. Hence you’re forced to buy a carbon integrated handlebar set up which doesn’t allow easy fit tweaking and boosts the price up dramatically.
What they need to do is make a stem like FSA and Deda Superbox and offer it as an alternative. Not everyone is buying that new integrated handlebars gimmick.
We have the non integrated handlebar as well 😊
@@YOELEO
Thanks for info,I have an allergy to integrated cockpits. I like the geo of the Yoeleo particularly the low bottom bracket height.
What bb are you using?
A generic one that was like 15 dollars. Haha. It doesn't seem the best.
@@ChinaCycling thanks. I was wondering which width youve got. I talked to yoeleo to get recommendation and they said I could use standard sram t47 road (85,5) or wide, so I bought the standard. the issue is that I cant run any chainring larger than a 44t (with 4,5mm spacer on drive side). the chainring is a standard sram x-sync 44t. with it im having like 2mm to the chain stay. im a bit confused how you can run a 46t.
Beside that, Im super happy. running sram force xplr-groupset, farsports wheelset and Continental speed king 2.2". Ive ridden quote interesting mtg-trails with it. most of it quite comfortable.
awesome bike!!!!
It's nae bad. Hope you're doing well Jeffers
They still don't deliver. I ordered a frame for my wife mid-april, still no update. I find it frustrating that their marketing is pushing G21 for this summer, if you order one right now, you might get it before summer 2024.
Send me an email with your name. If they don't explain the situation, I'll pull this video down.
@@ChinaCycling I sent you an email with the specifics. My order was April 19th. Since then no updates.
@@pongo1372 Thanks. I also got your name from your UA-cam profile and asked Yoeleo, they said it shipped yesterday and took longer than usual because you didn't want holes in the front fork or something...I'll email you back.
You cannot even begin to imagine what some of us had to go through during last year’s lockdowns. 2 months waiting time is nothing.
Thanks to Joe, we finally received it this week. It’s a really nice frame and hardware provided for assembly is much improved compared to the R12 I built during the pandemic panic. It’s available on panda podium.
that Allez in the background is still the goat!
If you know, you know.
not for road racing or crits what's it for then angles and wheel base ? please looks more for gravel if so please lets know up front so the rest of us can switch off.
The first two seconds are of him riding the bike on gravel.
What do you think the "G" means in G21?
@@veganpotterthevegan 😂😂
I thought the 40mm tires and it being parked on rocks in the thumbnail gave it away, I'll be more obvious in the future... 🙃
@@ChinaCycling 😂😂😂
You should also start testing XXL sizes
I'll need longer legs first.
Yep, a rabbit riding an elephant is always amusing to behold. 😂
@@ChinaCycling kk just wanted to share that ex: winspace makes only 'normal ppl' friendly top frames.
To give you example, it's like going to a big small to buy shoes. Sizing stops at 10 and you're 13...
Unlucky.
Just pointing the topic. Would be great if you could always point the sizing options (as you do with the smallest frames)
new material for PT to use that burp sound haha
Haha, add it to the remix.
6:20 Sorry to disagree completely! If you want a relaxed bike do not buy it, going a larger size or just adding spacers is not how a bike is supposed to work. This is a very aggressive geometry for gravel. Great for racing!
I wouldn't say it's impossible to go with a larger size. For my gravel build 3 years ago, I purposely went with a sized-up bike and a 70mm stem to give the bike more of a agile/snappy feel similar to a MTB.
Adding a small number of spacers isn't much of an issue, or using a +12degree stem without spacers. It's a gravel bike, it already has longer rear to center measurement that'll work with having more weight on the back wheel.
*It also looks like you have a bunch of spacers under your stem Mr Kettle. That mixed with a very angled down saddle😅
Yep. Head and seat angle matter
@@jonpoon3896 good thing it has run of the mill gravel seat and head angles then huh?😉 The geometry is not out of the ordinary. Their sizes are though and most people used to the big brands will likely benefit from going down a size which will largely give them the same size bike they're presently riding if they're on the shorter end. Less of an issue for taller folks like me.
Why do people keep saying it is aggressive geometry? Just put it in the geometrygeeks and compare it to Tarmac SL7 to see for yourself.
I lost a bit of faith in you after pushing those Winspace Hyper 50 wheels. They were not good wheels, most of the spokes fell out, no matter how much you trued and fastened the spokes they would always come loose and fall out. How can we trust that the rest of the stuff on your new website won't be the same?
Did you contact Winspace? There are literally tens of thousands of people using those wheels around the world without issues. Sounds like you got a fault set. Get in touch with them!
You got a bad set. I have more than 10k km on my set and I weigh close to 90 kilos and never had a single problem.
@@tonyg3091 Oh ok I weigh much less than you and have had the opposite experience.
@@ChinaCycling ok will do
I'm not a fan of the proprietary seatpost.
It's 2024. Pretty much every bike has aerodynamics designed into the bike. Proprietary seatposts should be expected.
My Addict RC D-shape seatpost clamp broke a night before my big event La Marmotte,couldnt find any replacement in time for the event.
@@veganpotterthevegan Oh its you again, I remember you.
Current year argument nice.
What if I want to run a suspension seat post or dropper. The actual aerodynamic gain compared to a standard 27.2 seat post is probably negligible. What if I have problems with the seat post or seat post clamp down the line. I can only get spare parts form this company, if they decide to stop supplying parts or there is a supply chain issue again I am stuck with a useless frame. What do I do with it chuck it in the land fill ?
@@The2808erik Nothing to do with aero. It's to allow more flex.
A moot point in 2023. And what if what if what if. What if it's fine and presents no hypothetical issues?
Love the video-FYI Discount code (#YOLO)not valid!
8.6 isn’t exactly light for XXS
Frame size is usually only +/- 100g, so that's a minor factor, but the build isn't a crazy light build.
Remember when yoeleo framesets were only $500 bucks. Now just 3 or 4 years later they are 3 times the price.
To be fair, I think this is on the same quality as many of the western brands, have you seen the cost of the ENVE Mog? It's $5500 just for the frameset + handlebars.
Their bikes were also very simple back then. They're doing a lot more R&D now. They do still have an aero frameset just under $1100 but it doesn't come with handlebars
I don't remember 500, but I do remember a lot cheaper. As a % of the price of a western brand I think they've remained the same though. Obviously I wish every bike frame was 500 bucks, but its just not the world we live in...
Price is OK for what the frame is. EPS+latex, very well built and really nice paintjob.
Your camera man needs to learn some manners. Bike looks good!!!
Tell me about it. Gertrude would be proud though.
Frame is heavy for the size😮
It is a gravel/bikepacking frame, it is supposed to be sturdy, not light.
Bruh, the jumps between each gear on that cassette must be awful.
any CX bikes Joe?,you and I both know this gravel is just a fad.
IMO the price is too high. I don't see why people would buy that over a name brand frame that will resell much easier.
I understand your perspective, and it's valid to consider the resale value and overall value for money when making a purchase. However, it's important to note that value can be subjective and dependent on individual preferences. While a name brand frame may have higher resale value, it doesn't necessarily mean it offers better value for everyone.
When evaluating the value of a product, it's essential to consider factors beyond just the brand name. Quality, durability, design, and customer satisfaction are all important aspects to take into account. There are many lesser-known brands that offer exceptional quality and craftsmanship at a more affordable price point, making them a worthwhile investment for some people.
Additionally, personal style and uniqueness are also significant factors for many individuals. Some people prefer to stand out with a distinctive frame that may not be as widely recognized but still suits their taste and personality perfectly.
Ultimately, the decision to purchase a particular frame depends on a variety of factors, including individual preferences, budget constraints, and the value one places on the brand name. It's essential to consider all these aspects before concluding that a product is too expensive without considering its potential benefits and unique features.
@@satriobanyubiru6652 Yeah, of course, I consider all those things.
Another factor here that I hadn't thought about while writing that first comment is: these days, prices of framesets are now higher related to prices of fully built bikes. When buying from the big brands now, it only makes sense to buy a full bike, even if you don't need all the parts, because they charge so much for the frame, if they even sell the frame alone. I don't really know why the industry changed this way. So I guess if I compare this frame to buying just a frame from the big brands, there might be a pretty significant savings.
Yeoleo seem to have forgotten the reason people are interested in them, cheaper price than the big brands. I'm looking elsewhere now.
Don't forget where you came from and who made you what you are...
Work harder then.
@@TheMoodyedgeand the douche has arrived.
The improvement of the details, carbon fiber layup and production methods are reasons why the price is increasing. We still make sure that the value you get is more than what you paid 😊
The build quality is on par with any big brand out there and the frames are still cheaper.
Everyone should package their products exclusively with cardboard. There is no reason not to.
My only problem is they push their stupid handlebars onto everyone when it is clear that separate stem/handlebars work better and there are infinitely better bars on the market
They have their own seperate bar and stem option if you stop being so dam ignorant. He even mentions this in the video. I have a yoeleo and have a ritchey bar and vision stem still running internal cables. Use your brain a little and realise other possibilities exist.
They have their own stem that lets you go fully internal with any bar, etc, etc. I'm still on the fence about fully internal cable routing for. a gravel bike, but in the context of trying to keep it aero, i guess it makes sense.
@@ChinaCycling Too late, I already ordered Deda Superbox. They should make this option clear during ordering process.
The quoted rider weight limit is 110kg. I'm not sure if this includes the weight of the bike itself or not. Could this be a problem for taller and heavier riders who want to use the G21 for bike packing, which means you might be adding nearly 10 kg of bags, camping gear and water bottles? Gravel wheels from western brands are typically spec'ed at 120 or 130 kg, so it would be nice if the frame was certified at a higher limit.
@@js75000 IMHO Yoeleo have been very conservative here. If you look at their light climbing bike the R11, the weight limit is 105 kg and the G21 is much tougher built. In my size (56) the frame only weights 1300+ grams and feels like a tank so I guess the safety margin they built into it is huge.