I would say Kung Fu isn't graceful. Maybe only when practicing modern tai chi it's graceful. Otherwise, the graceful concept is spread by dancers pretending to be kung fu masters. Savate is french boxing imo and quite different from what kung fu wants to do. I'd say the only moves that remind me of kung fu are probably chasse bas, coup de pied bas and maybe coup d'arrel and chasse bas. The way Savate does the front push kick looks like a muay thai teep where you lean back and bend your back leg. The kung fu front straight kick is much more explosive and lands with the heel like a straight punch, with your heel as the knuckles (maybe kung fu also has a teep and i don't know about it). The stances of Savate mainly stays off the heels, which is again much more boxing than Kung Fu. In Kung Fu, for agile movements, one would typically still have 1 foot flat on the ground. This is actually super agile, but the advantage is that you are always grounded which means a solid sudden counter attack is possible. There are much more cross steps and hop steps in Kung Fu. For fast kicks, the kung fu stance where 1 foot is light on the ground while 1 foot is flat on the ground is the ideal stance for kicks/hand strikes and agile movement. It is quite different in execution from the muay thai stance despite sounding the similar. Another difference, it is more common when trying to move far away to end up side-shuffling in boxing/savate/off-heel stances. The advantages are that it is energy efficient, extremely intuitive, and extremely easy. The weaknesses of side-shuffling is that your entire body is sideways/flat, and you are not grounded enough to perform a strong counter as quickly (though you may try). In Kung Fu, by stepping/hopping with 1 foot planted on the ground, it removes the flaw in side-shuffling. Another advantage in the kung fu step is that it allows for an angle of attack that is not present in the side-shuffle where your body and limbs are just flat. Also, in Kung Fu, the bow/horse stances replace the ducking stances in western martial arts (while simultaneously getting a free step in kung fu). This allows for elevation change while being grounded to generate power while stepping in/striking at the same time. Unfortunately, nobody does this nowadays either. There are also huge differences in kung fu hand striking between different schools. Many mainstream popular kung fu styles today use actually weaker striking. Examples: Wing Chun punches are on the weaker side. Hung Gar is also quite defensively focused and focus on training against their own style, especially their bridging hands. There is actually a kung fu style with a hook that most ppl have probably never seen before that is quite dynamic. it's mixed in with continuous striking and aggressive stance switching, so imagine GGG on crack and advancing like a train. Imagine GGG swinging his body, not just slowly inching forward like a tank. Sadly, the self-proclaimed kung fu guys we see do not use these things, and ofc do not even spar. They end up being clueless ppl using styles like wing chun and are wishful enough to put gloves on while using a weak striking style to begin with. There's just 0 chance for those guys.
@@Viewer13128 facts dude there are so many different styles in Kung Fu like Chinese dog boxing for example is more focused on ground fighting unlike drunken which is a bit more boxing oriented. There is just so much more to Kung Fu than what popular media shows about it and it's absolutely mind boggling that people think the more impractical styles are the majority of Kung Fu
Savate was developed by sailors while at sea, and guys would grip ropes on the ships to balance themselves while kicking. Also, traditionaly, Savate shoes would have a metal tip ans guys would aim at softer spots like the liver. Great kickboxing style and not known enough.
The metal tip thing is a myth. Historically people wore leather shoes, metal tips would have been way too expensive before WW1 ; and the efforts to make savate a sport after WW2 made it useless.
Very impressed by what I've seen of Savate. The ability to throw kicks from crazy angles and flow into combos while staying completely composed inside their stance is really incredible
Punishing every whiffed kick with a low kick is the surest way to destroy a kicker's confidence, once they start second guessing themselves it's all over
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That guy is a TKD Green Belt (5th belt up) and it shows. He also clearly is fighting using what look to be Olympic sparing rules which don't make for a good understanding of fighting. Savate guy is way better and is fighting using less rules. It's about what you know and what ruleset your sparring uses. If you tickle, then all you can do is go for the arm pits.
The TKD is a green belt, not exactly a good comparison, he probably has less than 2 years worth of experience. The savateur clearly has more than 2 years worth of experience behind him based on his dexterity. But good find on the video. 👌
Savate here did a good job! They probably don't waste too much time on patterns, that's why you'll see them outshining green belts. It's when they get to red belts is when they start being nasty.
Although the original video quality is quite bad, at times it seems the TKD guy's belt is green, that would be a beginner-intermediate level. I was red belt, which is one before black, and I would say that no TKD practitioner under black belt should even try to face a fighter from a full-contact sport, even if the latter is a beginner. And even then, you shoul've practiced full-contact TKD at least. TKD is usually not full-contact, even if some rules allow it, as pursuing points is the major goal, so one would have to do special training for this.
Jesse Enkamp from The Karate Nerd has a theory video where he claims the high kicks in Karate came from Savate. That could also Taekwondo's kicks are also rooted in Savate. However, I asked a Savate youtuber about thos topic and he told me that there is not enough concrete evidence to back up this theory. There is no Savate group that makes a copyright claim on Karate's kicks nor Taekwondo's kicks. So Jesse Enkamp and his audience are either having a clickbaity trend to screw with the history of fighting arts for bogus reasons or doing thid for something else.
this was just a more experienced guy styling on someone too weak. 1:21 happened because this was a silly kicking match, which made it safe for him to do moves like that just 1 minute into the fight.
Savate is when you can punch as well as a boxer and kick as well as a taekwondo. Fun fact: when people see spinning kicks usually think about asian martial arts, but did you know that actually karatekas learned spinning kicks by european savateurs? Original okinawan karate had only simple, practical and effective moves as a self defence martial arts (you don't see spinning kicks in any traditional kata), spinning kicks were added only by the son of Funakoshi, that started to learn savate and included savate sparring in his karate routine, creating the very first sports kumite. Since taekwondo is a very young martial art (created between '40s and 50s) and it's also influenced by karate, that means that probably taekwondo is influenced as well by savate.
The Savate guy was very good. Aside from the style I thnk also there was a vast difference in experience. The TKD guy wore a green belt, you could potentially get that within a year. Whereas the Savate guy looks like he's had at least several years of experience.
La Savate per i calci è la migliore... Elegante, raffinata, realistica, efficace, potente, direi unica... Mi sto divertendo tantissimo praticandola... É proprio una Boxe fatta con le gambe. Grazie x Video.
This happens in senegal and it's not savate but an martial created by a senegalese master this art is called : SAMADO which means my "DO" (Way in korean)
It's clearly the taekwondo fighter hasn't enough experience on fights... he is green belt yet. And for sure Savate is a great martial art... Bruce Lee took some savate movements to JKD. But, this taekwondo on the video is WTF, more Olympics... ITF probably would be more challenging.
@@UnknownFeng i mean, a lot of people look at Savate competitions and just say that it does not work because it looks a lot like footfencing and Taekwondo
That’s crazy. They have boxing gloves and throw the same jabs, hooks, and uppercuts. I know one style (assault) is usually softer but they have matches where they really go at it.
@@ramengurung9913 green Belt at least have 8 month experience, invest that 8 month on combat based martial art like boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ ETC and you will get much better fighting ability
@@FightCommentary pretty sure teakwondo came from karate do to war crimes the Japanese did when they control korea they change the name and over time focus more on kicks
@@wesleyjackson1372 yes indeed, but do keep in mind that Karate comes from two martial arts: It takes it's punching, grappling, dirty fighting and the like from the Kung Fu Style called White Crane. While it takes it's kicks from Savate itself! And there's a theory that Savate comes from Chine Kicking Styles (nobody is sure about that tho)
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I think Savate is everything Kung Fu want to be: a fast, graceful and artistic art, yet 100% powerful and applicable with good results in real fights.
I would say Kung Fu isn't graceful. Maybe only when practicing modern tai chi it's graceful. Otherwise, the graceful concept is spread by dancers pretending to be kung fu masters.
Savate is french boxing imo and quite different from what kung fu wants to do. I'd say the only moves that remind me of kung fu are probably chasse bas, coup de pied bas and maybe coup d'arrel and chasse bas. The way Savate does the front push kick looks like a muay thai teep where you lean back and bend your back leg. The kung fu front straight kick is much more explosive and lands with the heel like a straight punch, with your heel as the knuckles (maybe kung fu also has a teep and i don't know about it).
The stances of Savate mainly stays off the heels, which is again much more boxing than Kung Fu. In Kung Fu, for agile movements, one would typically still have 1 foot flat on the ground. This is actually super agile, but the advantage is that you are always grounded which means a solid sudden counter attack is possible.
There are much more cross steps and hop steps in Kung Fu. For fast kicks, the kung fu stance where 1 foot is light on the ground while 1 foot is flat on the ground is the ideal stance for kicks/hand strikes and agile movement. It is quite different in execution from the muay thai stance despite sounding the similar.
Another difference, it is more common when trying to move far away to end up side-shuffling in boxing/savate/off-heel stances. The advantages are that it is energy efficient, extremely intuitive, and extremely easy. The weaknesses of side-shuffling is that your entire body is sideways/flat, and you are not grounded enough to perform a strong counter as quickly (though you may try). In Kung Fu, by stepping/hopping with 1 foot planted on the ground, it removes the flaw in side-shuffling. Another advantage in the kung fu step is that it allows for an angle of attack that is not present in the side-shuffle where your body and limbs are just flat.
Also, in Kung Fu, the bow/horse stances replace the ducking stances in western martial arts (while simultaneously getting a free step in kung fu). This allows for elevation change while being grounded to generate power while stepping in/striking at the same time. Unfortunately, nobody does this nowadays either.
There are also huge differences in kung fu hand striking between different schools. Many mainstream popular kung fu styles today use actually weaker striking. Examples: Wing Chun punches are on the weaker side. Hung Gar is also quite defensively focused and focus on training against their own style, especially their bridging hands. There is actually a kung fu style with a hook that most ppl have probably never seen before that is quite dynamic. it's mixed in with continuous striking and aggressive stance switching, so imagine GGG on crack and advancing like a train. Imagine GGG swinging his body, not just slowly inching forward like a tank.
Sadly, the self-proclaimed kung fu guys we see do not use these things, and ofc do not even spar. They end up being clueless ppl using styles like wing chun and are wishful enough to put gloves on while using a weak striking style to begin with. There's just 0 chance for those guys.
@@Viewer13128 facts dude there are so many different styles in Kung Fu like Chinese dog boxing for example is more focused on ground fighting unlike drunken which is a bit more boxing oriented. There is just so much more to Kung Fu than what popular media shows about it and it's absolutely mind boggling that people think the more impractical styles are the majority of Kung Fu
@namethisaccountwhatever I agree they don't know what kung fu is.
Sanda is one of the best styles.
Savate was developed by sailors while at sea, and guys would grip ropes on the ships to balance themselves while kicking. Also, traditionaly, Savate shoes would have a metal tip ans guys would aim at softer spots like the liver. Great kickboxing style and not known enough.
Thanks for the info!
Bruce lee incorporated both
The metal tip thing is a myth. Historically people wore leather shoes, metal tips would have been way too expensive before WW1 ; and the efforts to make savate a sport after WW2 made it useless.
oh non! please stop spreading this myth of sailors, ffs
Actually the sailors passed Africa and saw the Africans practicing martial arts and that inspired them to creat savate
The savate guy is pulling out combos like a Tekken pro lol
I’m pretty sure that’s how you progress in savate too
Very impressed by what I've seen of Savate. The ability to throw kicks from crazy angles and flow into combos while staying completely composed inside their stance is really incredible
Punishing every whiffed kick with a low kick is the surest way to destroy a kicker's confidence, once they start second guessing themselves it's all over
Please please more Savate!!!
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Savate guy was amazing.
I really want to learn this awesome martial art 😄.
Savate dude was pretty cool
We need more
To be fair the TKD young lad seem to be only a green belt.
That guy is a TKD Green Belt (5th belt up) and it shows. He also clearly is fighting using what look to be Olympic sparing rules which don't make for a good understanding of fighting. Savate guy is way better and is fighting using less rules. It's about what you know and what ruleset your sparring uses. If you tickle, then all you can do is go for the arm pits.
Any tape of a capoeira versus a savate fighter? That could get out of hand very quickly.
The TKD is a green belt, not exactly a good comparison, he probably has less than 2 years worth of experience. The savateur clearly has more than 2 years worth of experience behind him based on his dexterity. But good find on the video. 👌
Depends. 2 years once or twice a week or daily? How soon are you sparring what level are you sparring? It's not just the amount of years
Awesome Savate skills! I was impressed 💪
Savate here did a good job! They probably don't waste too much time on patterns, that's why you'll see them outshining green belts. It's when they get to red belts is when they start being nasty.
Ok...I'm impressed. Very nice combos by the Savatte guy. TKD dude was just outclassed in this match.
Although the original video quality is quite bad, at times it seems the TKD guy's belt is green, that would be a beginner-intermediate level. I was red belt, which is one before black, and I would say that no TKD practitioner under black belt should even try to face a fighter from a full-contact sport, even if the latter is a beginner.
And even then, you shoul've practiced full-contact TKD at least. TKD is usually not full-contact, even if some rules allow it, as pursuing points is the major goal, so one would have to do special training for this.
TKD is not even a native art of Korea. It was imported Shotokan modified by a Korean Colonel.
Holy cow the combos. And he only kicked too, completely ouclassing the tkd dude that even punched aswell
Great commentary. Cool fight. Check out Xiao Long and his Wing Chun - it's different than Qi La La's technique but still very effective.
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Jesse Enkamp from The Karate Nerd has a theory video where he claims the high kicks in Karate came from Savate. That could also Taekwondo's kicks are also rooted in Savate. However, I asked a Savate youtuber about thos topic and he told me that there is not enough concrete evidence to back up this theory. There is no Savate group that makes a copyright claim on Karate's kicks nor Taekwondo's kicks. So Jesse Enkamp and his audience are either having a clickbaity trend to screw with the history of fighting arts for bogus reasons or doing thid for something else.
Very interesting!
Its good, Karate took good kicks for a reason.
I think it’s the the way around. Savate kicks come from karate
@@ramengurung9913No
@@adriansalasflores1860 karate came before savate. So yes
this was just a more experienced guy styling on someone too weak. 1:21 happened because this was a silly kicking match, which made it safe for him to do moves like that just 1 minute into the fight.
Savate is when you can punch as well as a boxer and kick as well as a taekwondo.
Fun fact: when people see spinning kicks usually think about asian martial arts, but did you know that actually karatekas learned spinning kicks by european savateurs?
Original okinawan karate had only simple, practical and effective moves as a self defence martial arts (you don't see spinning kicks in any traditional kata), spinning kicks were added only by the son of Funakoshi, that started to learn savate and included savate sparring in his karate routine, creating the very first sports kumite.
Since taekwondo is a very young martial art (created between '40s and 50s) and it's also influenced by karate, that means that probably taekwondo is influenced as well by savate.
When you get your butt kicked by kicks FROM YOUR OWN MARTIAL ART but applied better 🤦♂️
The tkd guy is only a green belt. That’s less than a year of training. Only knows the basic of sparring
Hey Jerry, can you make a video on 陳鶴皋 and his 瘋狗拳? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it.
The problem with tkd v savate is all the kicks in tkd are from savate, tkd is just a lesser version of savate
ive done tkd for a little bit, but savate looks really awesome… id like to add it to my repertoire but there are no teachers nearby…
The Savate guy was very good. Aside from the style I thnk also there was a vast difference in experience. The TKD guy wore a green belt, you could potentially get that within a year. Whereas the Savate guy looks like he's had at least several years of experience.
Savate guy was determined, TKD guy was desperate
What country are they fighting in?
La Savate per i calci è la migliore... Elegante, raffinata, realistica, efficace, potente, direi unica... Mi sto divertendo tantissimo praticandola... É proprio una Boxe fatta con le gambe. Grazie x Video.
TKD guy has a low degree, it is green belt
This happens in senegal and it's not savate but an martial created by a senegalese master this art is called : SAMADO which means my "DO" (Way in korean)
Interesting! Thanks for the tip!
Bruce Lee added both Taekwondo and Savate on to Jeet Kune Do
The savate practitioner needs to improve his boxing.
No Punches ?
Rad
It's clearly the taekwondo fighter hasn't enough experience on fights... he is green belt yet. And for sure Savate is a great martial art... Bruce Lee took some savate movements to JKD.
But, this taekwondo on the video is WTF, more Olympics... ITF probably would be more challenging.
Please tell me tkd dude is NOT a black belt
He’s a green belt which is basically a beginner
If savate guy would have ALSO used punches that fight would have been been over alot sooner ...
A higher caliber WTF TKD practitioner would’ve beat savate fella
TKD has no weapons practice in it's system. Boxe Francaise Savate has La Canne. Savate for the win.
Is that a Green belt TKD fighter? lol
The Savateur is a red glove (ranking) which is roughly the same ranking as a TKD green belt
When was it underrated?
It still is. Not in some parts of Europe tho, but that's not the point.
Unknown but definitely not overrated
@@UnknownFeng i mean, a lot of people look at Savate competitions and just say that it does not work because it looks a lot like footfencing and Taekwondo
That’s crazy. They have boxing gloves and throw the same jabs, hooks, and uppercuts. I know one style (assault) is usually softer but they have matches where they really go at it.
@@UnknownFeng yeah
Taekwondo is too overrated for a long time
That tkd guy is only a green belt which is still a beginner. You can tell how inexperienced he is because he’s slow and doesn’t use any combos
@@ramengurung9913 green Belt at least have 8 month experience, invest that 8 month on combat based martial art like boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ ETC and you will get much better fighting ability
這兩門武術都來自功夫改編
当真？
@@FightCommentary pretty sure teakwondo came from karate do to war crimes the Japanese did when they control korea they change the name and over time focus more on kicks
@@wesleyjackson1372 yes indeed, but do keep in mind that Karate comes from two martial arts:
It takes it's punching, grappling, dirty fighting and the like from the Kung Fu Style called White Crane.
While it takes it's kicks from Savate itself! And there's a theory that Savate comes from Chine Kicking Styles (nobody is sure about that tho)
@@FightCommentary 目前我觀察過全世界的武術都來自功夫改編.很多怕被知道都瞎說一個故事騙人.可從他們得武術套路跟武術項目.唯一拳擊應該是來自非洲部落.他跟裸拳完全沒有技術性單純靠體力反應來拼鬥.直到後期的拳擊也加入了功夫元素.所以目前全世界武術都來自功夫.然而功夫源頭是印度
Vous écrivez, mais il faut des sources.
Well what do we expect? Lol Everytime a TKD guy fights a non TKD opponent the result is a mess
Not impressive, TKD or Savate
Taekwondo is the worst to go along with hesitation.
That’s a great line! I’m using it! Thanks for the awesome quote!