It sounds highly plausible, there is something about Voldemort that already attracted the phoenix feather once, so maybe it is this same presence that attracted the second feather? From the sounds of it, phoenixes don't shed many feathers that can be used in wandcores, so it might have been prophecy... The feathers of Fawkes would always choose Voldemort and if Voldemort wouldn't have attacked Harry and infused him with part of his soul by accident, the wand would have remained ownerless for eternity (after all, it likely remained ownerless for more than 50 years). As only one wizard was worthy of the core, nobody could claim it. Unless they were Voldemort's equal. Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, by making him part Voldemort by accident so the wand would be attracted. It also would fullfill the "marking of an equal" in the prophecy even better. Voldemort made Harry his equal enabling to gain the loyality of a wand so equal to his own... Which in turn worked with the rest of prophecy as Harry was the only one who was able to withstand Voldemort and with cores of equal origin, it made Voldemorts wand less effective to Harry. But there is also something else, over the years, Harry did tame the wand and gained its loyality, mostly due to Harry's own loyality to his wand, compared to Voldemort. There is an interesting difference between how Harry and Voldemort treated their wand. Once Voldemort realized that his wand was less effective against Harry, he abandoned it. The first time, Harry's wand retalliated against Voldemort using a different wand, by giving him a taste of the magic he used to produce with the brother wand and later Voldemort tried to tame the Elder Wand, over his own wand. Harry however could never abandon his wand. Even as the rightful owner of the Elder Wand, he only wanted to be able to use the wand he had bought from Ollivander. He used the most powerful wand in the world to repair his old one, who couldn't be fixed by another wand. Harry showed loyality to the wand to such a degree that it no longer mattered that he no longer had a piece of Voldemort in him, the wand was now fully loyal to him.
if harry wasnt destined to be the one who lived then the other one who WAS supposed to be was Neville ... . now why couldnt the feather have desired to right a wrong and chose harry to right the wrong of giving a wand with his feather in it to one who became as evil and corrupt as could be .. . one little bit of oversight you did ... you say a a nonmuggle must use a wand .... yet riddle was hurting people WITHOUT a wand ... a wand is NOT required ... it is a channeling device or focus ... just like a voiced incantation is NOT needed to perform a spell ...
I think its a mistake to assume wands look for "good" or "bad" people. Ollivander is an extremely good example of a true neutral character. Yes he is terrified of Voldemort, but he also shows awe at Voldemorts power. And ultimately Ollivander is most interested in wands and their magic, no matter who the wands choose. Every bit of information he gets expands his knowledge. He is truly dedicated to his craft. Ollivander is in a way, a personification of what wands are. They are true neutral. They are a mystery how they work yes, but the wands themselves are drawn to specific types of personalities, strengths in magic and types of magic. They don't care about good or evil. If they did, wouldn't all evil characters never get a wand choosing them? Also the series talks again and again about how similar yet different Voldemort and Harry are. They are both orphans, they don't have real family, they have known cruelty, they both called Hogwarts home, and despite Harry's connections with Voldemort, he is truly a very powerful wizard, and it is reflective of his heritage and the spells he casts. So I think it's safe to say the wands chose the two of them due to the internal characteristics that make up the young boys, and the potential they have. Not necessarily based of any potential to be good or evil, but more so based off personalities and the magical powers within themselves.
“We can expect great things from you. After all he who must not be named did great things, terrible, but great things”. It’s something along the lines of that I didn’t want to check it as I think it’s right, but yeah I agree.
Apart from the fact that Harry’s personality fit the type of wizard a Phoenix feather would choose, I think destiny played a role. The reason Voldemort went after Harry was because of the prophecy. So, perhaps the wand also sensed Harry’s role against Voldemort, and chose him knowing that when they finally battle it would be harder for Voldemort to harm Harry with his wand since the wands are brothers. If that makes sense.
only one issue with theory. harry defeated he-who-must-not-be-named with draco's wand since his was snapped in half in his and hermine's hasty excape from godrids hollow..
Harry was pretty talented in his own right, his teachers said so, and he was way above level with certain difficult spells like the patronus charm. The part of Voldemorts soul did probably play some part, but the phoenix wand stayed his, after Voldemorts defeat. I might also be that the very balance of magic was upset by Voldemorts abuse of (dark) magic and it put Harry and the prophecy into being to counteract, with things like the twinned wand cores and Harry being the polar opposite of Voldemort.
Voldemort made Harry significant when he chose to attack him. Remember that the prophecy said that the "Dark Lord shall mark him as his equal." Voldemort set the ball rollinh to connect him and Harry. Harry completed the connection by choosing to be the one to defeat Voldemort. Dumbledore explained that it's the difference between being dragged into battle and walking in with your head held high. Connected by coincidence/fate but intertwined by choice.
It makes sense that Harry's wand attaches itself to the part of Voldemort inside him as this storyline forms the backbone to the whole series. Other explanations require dovetailing into the storyline or some speculation.
There's one thing that instantly disproves this theory. It's that when the horcrux was removed from Harry and the holly wand was repaired, Harry was still it's master. Whilst the Elder wand changes master to whoever beats it's previous ones, phoenix wands are more loyal, so the fact that the Holly wand's power didn't disappear with the horcrux means that you've gone in the wrong direction. I think it would be more suitable to say Fawkes is a bit like Dumbledore. In its early days it chose power and glory - Tom Riddle. In it's later days it chose love and compassion - Harry.
Odd how no one commented on the one thing that truly makes the two wands "polar" opposites, a pole being a single object in which the magnetic charges have been repulsed to the maximum distance from one another. The power source itself, the feather, is neutral, neither good nor evil, but capable of being used for either purpose. But the choices of wood have definite moral overtones. Holly is not a particularly strong wood, but it is extremely pale and usually described as being white. Of the timber native to the British isles, yew is both quite strong and flexible, and so dark of tone that it is often described as being black. Visually this is completely missed in the movies, but yes - Harry's wand is white, and Voldemort's is black. If you are looking for moral symbols, there's not a much clearer picture.
Great video but this is the first one that I disagree with. Your views that Phoenix chose both Voldemort and Harry because they were both exceptionally great wizards and would do amazing things and also the other view that it only picked Harry because a piece of Voldemort was inside of him I disagree…the real reason is because Phoenix knew the future in that Harry would need that phoenix feather in order to defeat Voldemort it protects him as they have the same core It chose Harry for a reason and that reason is to fight evil with good to defeat Voldemort by having the same wand core
Dumbledore found brought both voldemort and Harry into the Wizarding world. He also is the owner of fauks. He also is was a very cautious wizard whom knew many other powerful wizards. Maybe he was told by a seer about the events of voldemorte and Harry, and while not entirely believing that this was destiny, he would be cautious enough to plan for the worst. Hence he gets the Phoenix to donate 2 feathers. Gets olivander to ensure that both characters recieve said wands. Etc. Etc.
I completely agree with the Voldemort theory but regarding Harry; yes, he was in a way 'pushed' to do great things as a wizard because he had to battle Voldemort to save his own life. And yes, his fame came from the manifestation of Voldemort's advanced dark magic that left Harry the scar. People thought it was his deed when in fact it was Lily's magic that made all the situation that took place possible (Harry's survival due to her protection and the involuntary horcrux made because the killing curse bounced). But let's not forget, although i do agree that the wand chose Harry because of Voldemort's soul inside of him; Harry's bravery was what made him duel with Voldemort all those numerous occasions. He didn't know the complexity that magic could offer, yet he never feared saying his name and was always willing to fight him. He learned advanced magic because of the danger Voldemort put him through, yes, but he was able to learn them being so young and inexperienced, so that's talent. A talent which combined with destiny, made him great. Maybe the phoenix feather had forsee Harry's potential to greatness and also sensed his propensity to thrive.
The wand chooses Harry because of the profecy, Voltermont marked him as Equal putting him a part of his soul with a mark, from this moment Harry and Voltermont sharing same destiny, same past same traumas, with different paths. Harrys Yin is Toms Yan.
I am curious of what would happen if you turned a Phoenix into a Horcrux. I mean if the Phoenix was killed would that part of the Soul die or would it never die because the Phoenix is basically immortal. Maybe Folklore could answer this.
Maybe it had something to do with the prophecy and the wand being drawn to harry because of the horecrux that voldemort had laid inside harry (scar) as you mentioned. Honestly plot set aside, i think mostly that it was the fact that the wand was "destined" to be drawn to harry being that him and voldemort shared the connection that harry would need in order for him to fulfill the prophecy. If it wouldn't be for that spell that comes out from the wand when two "brother" wands tries to attack the other harry surely would've died at the graveyard meaning he couldn't fulfill the prophecy. there's no way that what wand harry got was chanced being that harry was prophesied to vanquish the dark lord for good. so all in all, The wand chose Harry because of the connection between him and voldemort (the horecrux) and because he was prophesied to vanquish the dark lord for good. There is just no way that harry comes out alive from the graveyard withouth the help of that spell when two brother cores attack eachother, hes what a 4th year student vs the infamous dark lord voldemort who swept with terror and fear through the whole wizarding world during his reign before he "died". Even when he's gone people fear speaking his name, that says just abit of how he was during his reign. iirc. Olivander said something along the lines of "strange, curious that this wand would be drawn to you when the twin brother of this core did terrible but great things" when first meeting him in the wand store.
I think the Phoenix feather sensed goodness and greatness in Harry. It wanted to defeat the evil that it was previously given feather wielded. Much like The Sorting Hat's decision.
we would all love to think that Harry was destined for great things (actually he was it just happened that the path started with Voldy giving him a push in that direction on accident with a piece of his own soul).....but at the same time, wands can think, they choose the wizard/witch.....Harry's wand did sense the piece of Voldy in him, the phoenix feather came from Fawkes (the second feather was drawn to Harry because of the piece of Voldy) and the first feather chose Voldy....being from the same Phoenix, the 2 feathers both chose Voldy, if you think about it....but Voldy was always destined to create his own Nemesis.....what if Neville would have been the chosen one, what if Neville's mother jumped between Voldy and Neville that night, what if the piece of Voldy entered Neville instead?....the 2nd phoenix feather (The one in the Holly wand) would have choosen Neville instead of Harry, for the same exact reason...the piece of Voldy's soul inside him....but that was always destined to be
Riddle wanted to live forever; Phoenixes are immortal. The 'wand chooses the wizard' theory is similar to astrology, imho. They read way to much into simple events. ;) A wizard's idiosyncratic powers might have a special affinity to a specific combination of wood and core, so that their efficiency is multiplied. But the wand is not a sentient object with desires and goals. So Riddle's desire and focus upon immortality resonated well with the phoenix feather core and wood type. And yep, a large part of Harry's getting the other phoenix feather wand was the piece of Riddle's soul within him, possessing the same affinities. However, note that Harry's powers didn't apparently diminish after the soul was removed from him. At that point, perhaps, the fact that he *had* actually died and been reborn gave him his own affinity to the phoenix, which could have been even more powerful than the Riddle immortality wish.
When did Fawkes donate the feathers? If the second feather was donated after Voldemort's rise to power then it could be that it was donated for Harry to beat Voldemort. A sort of redemption from Fawkes.
What I find interesting is how both Voldemort and Harry are able to cheat death, but in different ways and for different reasons. I also like the contrast in the fact that Harry is pretty much average is most ways, and Tom is exceptional in every way
I think it’s more likely that magic imprints. The killing curse is powerful magic. When it hit Harry it imprinted him with a residual of the wand it came from. Like a fingerprint. The feather sensed it’s familiar ON Harry.
I have a counter-question. Why did none of the other wands choose Harry? So my thoughts on why Harry's wand chose him is because he had already killed Voldemort as an infant and was destend to kill him again. In the wand duel, Harry's wand forced Voldermort's wand to expel past spells. Harry just had more raw power. That is what both the wands chose, mighty wizards
I’ve always disagreed with the notion that Harry isn’t special apart from his connection to Voldemort and that’s why the wand chose him. You see it was Harry who made his choices and it was his choices that made him special. The wand chose Harry because he was the opposite of riddle in every way. And this made him especially appropriate for the wand.
I don't disagree that having voldemort inside could be a reason for the core choosing him, as well as voldemort marking harry as the equal and not NEville. Because in the end neville could be in harry;s situation. But Harry also comes from greatness too through his family. James and Lilly (albeit James can be jerky sometimes as a teen) were part of the order of the phoenix and did well in school. Also the pooter lineage and being a descendant from the peverell brothers, and lily herself was great witch ( i.e. the hermione of her generation).
I think it could be who the Phoenix was with at the time of the feather was dropped. We don’t know if they were dropped at the same time. So maybe the first one was dropped when Dumbledore was in a dark place. Then one was dropped late when he was in a better place.
I've looked at things like that as both. It is prophesied and foretold, yes. But it still needs a practical reason to have happened in the actual world as it exists, so it need a cause to be an effect of.
It is always said that if it wasn't Harry - Neville was the runner up. So I think it's voldemort within Harry that made him great. Without a doubt, actually... or at least I would bet money on it. I will say though that while it's acceptable coincidence that they share the same phoenix, I find it a bit of a stretch that the said Phoenix is Fawkes.
It's pretty obvious. The way it's written, the wand chose Harry to foreshadow the fact that he was a horcrux, and that's the end of it. I know, it's not a fun explanation. It was just a practical storytelling device, if you will. It has nothing to do with anything but that.
I think, if the Wand would not choose Voldemort as Voldemort (only as Tom Riddle) it wouldnt just choose Harry, because of the piece of Voldemort in him. Because this was already an evil piece of him.
The wand chose Harry because Voldemort chose to mark him as his equal. It knew Harry would be just as powerful if not maybe more power than Lord Voldemort. Seeing as the wand are equals as well.
Harry ancestry is the third Peverell brother and Tom ancestry is the second Peverell brother. Harry was destined to wield the other twin core to bring Karmic balance. To bad Harry wasn't the heir of Gryffindor everything would come full circle then with Tom is also being a descent of Slytherin. It would of been poetic justice.
I think Fawkes knew that the first feather would end up with Voldemort so he gave another feather so a brother wand would be born in order to combat him.
I actually think that is true. There is a theory that nevil longbottom is the chosen one and the professies are actually about him. It is the same with harry talking to snakes they theorise in the story that is because of voldermorts soul.
I’m going with it was attracted to Voldemorts soul. If Harry didn’t have Voldemort’s soul in him I think it’s safe to say he would have had a different wand pick him.
I always like to thing Harry would've been a slightly above average person if not for Voldemort. Voldemort was the truly talented wizard with incredible ambition and the will to do anything to achieve them, Harry is the enemy Voldemort created in his lust for power. This is further reinforced by the prophecy, wich ultimately was "Voldemort will make his greatest enemy while trying to secure his power and immortality". To me the fact that the Holly wand chose Harry because of Voldemort's soul shard is thematically resonant with everything else. The only two things that made harry special, at the end of the day, were the bit of Voldemort's soul inside of him and Love, the love of his mother that died to save him and the love he had for his friends and close ones.
Plot twist. Phoenix appear to Dumbledore s in time of great need. Fawks appears, Albus gets the elderwand and donates only 2 feathers oddly to hallows holders.....
I disagree because the Phoenix that existed when it gave the feather to riddles wand is not the same Phoenix that was reborn. Also harry's wand works well for him even after the horcrux is destroyed
So would the wand still be loyal to Harry after the horcrux was destroyed? Did it like Harry to begin with? Perhaps it bonded with him over the years. Maybe Dumbledore orchestrated everything to save Harry from Voldemort via priori incantarum.
Harry became great, because of Voldemort, whether directly or indirectly. Also, let's not forgot the sorting hat said that he had a thirst to prove himself.
I don't agree. In the book after Voldemort is destroyed and the piece of his soul in Harry is destroyed, Harry uses the elder wand to repair his broken phoenix wand which when it is repaired Harry takes it and it is warm in his hand and it emits red and gold sparks just like the wand did when it first chose him.
Although I do agree a massive amount of Harry’s fame is due to his tie with Voldemort, I don’t agree that Harry lacks significance in all other regards. Keep in mind James potter and the potter line in general has a pretty substantial reputation all on its own, so it’s safe to assume Harry would have been famous regardless
They're just a rich and old known family. Doesn't mean their members are any more or less likely to be great. Harry would have likely been a good wizard without Voldemort ever entering his life. But not much more. It was his experience with Voldemort that made Harry extra resilient. Voldemort killed his parents and so he was forced to grow up in harsh conditions. This made him resilient and strong.
Independently of the feather, Fawkes assisted Harry in the chamber of secrets. There was an affinity between Fawkes and Harry and, on the surface, it was a reward for Harry defending Dumbledore, but it could run deeper than that. Harry had to arise from the ashes of his early abusive childhood and also had to rise again after being struck down by Voldemorte in the forest in the deathly hallows. Fawkes likely saw a kindred spirit within Harry and his destiny.
but all that appened after the wand chose Harry. Fawkes didn't knew Harry when he went to pick his wand, and it certainly didn't knew Harry nor Tom Riddle when they plucked his feathers to make those wands
@@matteobetti2233 he possibly did. For I wouldn't be surprised if Harry was in Dumbledore's office trying to figure out who to give Harry to figuring out his current relatives.
The book is very explicit about this. When Voldemort tried to kill Harry he made Harry the one to fulfill the prophecy that would lead to his doom. Had he chosen another, such as Neville, that person would be the one to fulfill the prophecy and therefore, most likely, have had the phoenix feather want - and Harry, meanwhile, would probably have had a wand similar to that of his father or mother. Given that, it is very clear that the wand chose Harry because it senses Tom Riddle, but it is also clear that, by the end of the books, the wand had long since changed its allegiance from Tom Riddle to Harry himself, as it embraces him fully after being repaired with the Elder Wand despite the fact that Voldemort's Horcrux was no longer in Harry; why? Because Harry proved himself great in his trials against Voldemort, earning the wand's respect if he hadn't it already.
I was about to say the same thing. But I also think Fwakes chose harry for his own talent too. Harry felt the same warmth after he repaired the wand as he did the first time. So I disagree that Fwakes chose harry just because of voldemort's soul. Harry was magically endowed just not in way voldemort was. They both had same ancestors for starters.
@@deliorgaiulian8072 but they both are descendants of peverall family..furthermore Harry became the true owner of all three hallows hence master of death, something voldemort is incapable of.
@@Sa-wh2xk yes. Harry is the decendant of the third brother, Ignotus, making him the owner of the invisibility cloak. Tom Riddle however isn't a decendant of the first brother but of the second brother. Therefore, Tom is the owner of the second brother's Resurrection Stone. Not the Elder wand.
Harry's individual greatness is constantly at odds with his connection to Voldemort. In the beginning, one could say Harry was only significant because he was "The Boy Who Lived"; but after finishing the story, one could hardly say that Harry was not great of his own accord. He mastered multiple spells, conquered many enemies, and showed bravery unmatched by any other at his age. But above all, Harry gave love despite his life being filled with pain, death, and hate. It is this act alone that proved his greatness. When his love persevered against all the evils in the world, he achieved the pinnacle of character.
pain can make us great, ying and yang. Voldemort defined Harry's path. I believe Harry on his own would have been another spoiled rich and avg wizard. But, Voldemort and Harry's friends and professors affected his choices and growth towards greatness.
what? lmao harry was a pretty pathetic wizard all the way through. Consider his father, James Potter was an animagous by fifth year and created the marauders map with his friends. Harry at this time had just learned the stunning spell. Couldnt even do nonverbal spells. Completely failed at learning occlumency etc.
@@geocaching69 This comment totally missed the point of what I wrote. The entire idea is that he is great because of his personality traits, not his power. Which is one of the key elements of the novels.
@@geocaching69 Harry his father was an exceptional wizard. what you are saying is the same as saying all physicists are pathetic because they aren't as great as Steven Hawkins. Harry wasn't a "pathetic" wizard just not as exceptional as his father.
My head cannon was that when Voldemort tried to kill him with the wand and failed, the magic kind of punished him for his hubris and in the same way Lily’s love protected Harry from Voldemort’s killing curse, his willingness to leave behind his humanity lead to his wand’s brother wanting to protect Harry from him. I know there’s no like evidence or anything for that but I always thought that the wand chose Harry because it knew it needed to protect him from its brother with the whole priori incantatem thing just cause it sounds cool
I have always figured that the reason why the wand choose Harry was because He lived through the killing curse cast from Voldemorts wand. As the two wands are brothers, Harry’s wand chose him because he bested Voldemort. Following the wand lore of the elder wand, that wand Aligned itself to Harry.
I would agree. The vid was very good but in a way contradicted itself. He said that as Voldemort the wand would not have chosen him. It chose him as Tom Riddle for his potential and power. The parasite in Harry was Voldemort not Tom Riddle. The wand would have sensed that Harry was touched by a powerful dark curse but was alive. It would have sensed power in him and potential as well. We can say because of Voldemort's actions, Harry was chosen but I dont agree that because a piece of Voldemort was in Harry that the wand chose him.
Harry is also descended from Ignotus Peverell so why wouldn't he be destined for great things? We know he's one of the prophecy choices, and becomes the Chosen one *because* voldy chose him and not Neville. Multiple times Harry performed magic that was above his age level. I really can't agree with the dark side of why this wand would have chosen him. He was the antithesis of voldemort. Good against evil. Selfless against selfish. Powerful and yeah, heroic. Ultimately, in this story good triumphs over evil, and that wouldn't have been possible if the wand chose Harry for wicked reasons.
My theory has always been this: Phoenixes are detached from the mortal realm. it's said as much and confirmed by JK herself. I think Fawkes, perhaps having some foreknowledge through magical means, did it just to see what would play out. Essentially, he did it for the LOLS, but knew exactly what he was doing.
What I want to know is, was Voldemort's wand always so sinister looking? It's hard to imagine some young orphan boy going into Ollivander's and then getting a wand. A wand that's looking so well, frankly, evil. I'm wondering if Voldemort's wand originally looked more "normal" and much like his own body slowly transformed into the more sinister looking wand as Voldemort performed ever more increasingly dark magic. Perhaps its a topic you could discuss in a video
In one of the French fan films about Voldemort, they show the process about how his wand became that way, it’s really cool and honestly it’s already in my head as canon
Voldemort’s wand changed in appearance along with him when he made his Horcruxes. The more Horcruxes Voldemort made, the more his appearance changed. This is because making Horcruxes (as we know) split the soul apart and it had negative affects on Voldemort’s appearance because he’d split his soul so many times.
There are 2 major points against the idea that Harry Potter was only great because of the piece of Voldermort's soul inside him. 1. his mother is one of the greatest potioneers Slughorn ever had the privilege of teaching. and was both talented and POWERFUL with magic beyond potions. there's a reason Harry is attracted to Ginny. Just 1 single Reducto curse from Ginny brought down the Hall Of Prophecy. Lily Potter's sacrifice was powerful enough to protect Harry from Voldermort's Killing Curse. I think Harry is attracted to Ginny because her power is familiar to him (because Ginny's power is comparable to Lily's power). 2. he is a Potter. his father was excellent at Quidditch, but even more impressively... James became an Animagus without being guided thru the process by an Animagus... as a child! fully grown and fully trained adult wizards with Animagus guides have had terrible accidents when attempting to become Animagi. it's just that difficult. All of The Marauders were exceptionally powerful, not just because 3 of them became Animagi as children, but also because the 4 of them created the Marauder's Map together. That map is essentially on par with most ancient magical relics and icons. Extremely impressive. Harry and James Potter are NOT the only impressive Potters. Their last name has an origin. Linfred of Stinchcombe AKA "The Potterer" invented many medicinal potions including early versions of Skele-gro and Pepperup Potion. ...emphasis on regrowing bones back... Fleamont Potter, Harry's grandpa, was also a potterer and invented Sleekeazy's Hair Potion (sure, less important than a potion that regrows bones, but still impressive). Between Linfred "The Potterer", Fleamont Potter, and Lily Evans... I'm beginning to wonder if Harry would have been Outstanding at Potions even before getting the Half-Blood Prince's book if Snape had not mistreated him. Linfred's son, Hardwin Potter, married Iolanthe Peverell... ...the granddaughter of Ignotus Peverell, who either created The Cloak Of Invisibility (while there are other invisibility cloaks, all of them lose their ability over time... except this one), or received it from Death personified... after besting Death personified... the point of all this is that Harry has power and greatness from both his mom and his dad. remember that Voldemort can't produce a Patronus. Harry's fully formed and powerful Patronus (as a child!) is NOT because he has a piece of Voldermort's soul inside him. it's because he is the child of 2 very powerful magic users. all that being said... I do believe Fawkes' feather chose Harry because Voldemort chose Harry. If Voldemort has chosen Neville, then Fawkes' feather would have chosen Neville. but NOT because of the greatness that a piece of Voldemort's soul imbues... ...but because Phoenixes represent death and rebirth. Voldemort is death. the one he chooses to mark as his equal is rebirth... death's undoing... the Phoenix's first feather chose Tom Riddle... it did not choose Voldemort... the other feather chose Voldemort's undoing... to right the wrong... ...to bring life where Voldemort misused the first feather to bring death.
This is sadly plausible. Either way, Voldemort doomed himself in his attempt to avoid his downfall/death. However, if the wand wood plays a role in wizard selection then this theory cannot be the entire explanation as holly describes Harry pretty well.
I think it’s just that the fact the phoenix feather where only 2 where made The difference is the wood and and length and flexibility I think the wands in question where always opposites One craved power and was more prone to choose someone who can change the world by any means hence the yew wood given its a wood that looks for someone over life and death and length being 13 meaning it looks for much character in someone As for Harry’s wand it was more humble more or less equal to its brother but didn’t seek power or care for it and choose someone who has a journey based on spiritual path and good intentions Hence the holly wood description, and the length being 11 inch means it was looking for someone of decent character And probably choose Harry cause it now knew what’s it’s brother did and sensed Harry was it’s target Choosing harry to protect him just as it would have if longbottom was though off as the chosen one instead Both would be set on a spiritual journey with good intentions and both had decent personalities It wouldn’t choose harry based on harry being a horcux given the other aspects of the wand suggest otherwise
You initially stated that the wand chose young Tom Riddle because he had not yet been twisted/corrupted but was still full of potential to good. You said that you believed older Tom/Voldy would not have been chosen. The part of Voldemort that is inside of Harry's scar wouldn't have been chosen by this logic. I believe that the wand saw Harry's soul/spirit/potential and chose him based on this just like it chose Tom before he perverted himself.
I agree, in a sense he kind of backtrack there, because it was proven in Chamber of Secret that all of Tom souls are automatically evil, so if it sense tom soul in Harry, than the Wand wouldn't have chosen Harry, because that soul is corrupt with evil, so really The wand chose Harry Himself, not because of the prophecy or his connection with Voldy, So really even if Voldy didn't choose him it more likely he would still get the same wand, as not all children got the same wand as their parents
Even if Harry was only chosen because of the Horcrux, the wood plays a part. If both yew and holly are symbols of immortality, yew (Voldemort) is viewed as a symbol of doom and holly (Harry) as symbol of evergreen, everlasting life and rebirth. Add to the equation loyalty to Dumbledore. It would be interesting to know if both wands were twins made at the same time or if Harry's wand was made later on as a "counterevil" to its brother.
Hmm i reasoned this way as well but its called the twin cores after all so i think its made together, however i think it makes you're reason even more pluasible as the one feather was made the other was too to balance the equation almost like an Ying yang effect
3:56 "One thing is clear...we can expect great things from you." Always loved this line, ever since it was spoken in the first movie's trailer! Also, refreshing to see how much of this conversation was adapted precisely into the movie- something that didn't happen as frequently in later installments
I would like to point out that, after Harry repaired his phoenix wand with the elder wand, his wand sort of re-chose him (feeling warm to his fingers and emitting sparks) even after Voldemort's soul was removed and destroyed. Therefore, I don't think the wand chose Harry because of Tom Riddle
Remember Malfoy never had his wand choose him, his mom bought his wand for him. After Harry wrestled Malfoy's wand away it started serving Harry. The problem is Malfoy's wand had a unicorn hair string core and stay very loyal to their original owner yet it switched allegiances to Potter. Because that wand was never truly Malfoy's, it was Harry's from the very beginning. Now however Malfoy himself became a very talented wizard despite using a wand that was never truly his.
I think you’re absolutely right. The prophecy was that Riddle would mark a child as his equal. Voldemort selected the other for Harry to be great. Whomever he chose (for example Neville) would likely have gone the same route.
Here is my theory, I think the Phoenix wands are both good spirited initially, they saw in both Harry, and Voldemort wizards who would rise from ashes and achieve greatness, and have their name forever known however I think the wands wanted this to be for the greater good, but voldemorts wand slowly through corruption and dark magic seeked only power and due to a dog like loyalty (which phoenixes though independent seem very loyal as seen why they stick around Dumbledores) allowed corruption, while the brother seeked the same but had a loyalty to good that was not corrupted, if the wand favored Voldemort despite the horxcruz I don't think it would choose the boy who may one day defeat him, I believe Harry's wand never became corrupted such as riddles wand
Always thought it was interesting how Harry breaks the Elder Wand in the movies but in the books he keeps it safeguarded, saying if he dies a natural death then it will break the vicious cycle because he will have never been defeated.
Yes, and the absolute madlad runs off to become an Auror, whose entire job is to confront powerful Dark Wizards. Brains like that, he could've been a Death Eater, as Aberforth seemed fond of saying. Maybe we should be laying these little idiocies at the doorstep of Rowling herself. I'm sure her "Oh, my Math!" deficiency extends to basic logic too.
There was another theory I watched that goes like this: (if I can summarize it correctly) Fawks being a Phoenix, can be reborn, it may be possible that the Fawks that gave the wand core for Voldemort’s wand and the Fawks that gave the core for Harry’s wand could be the same bird, just at a different stage of life. It could also mean that the Fawks that gave the core to Voldemort may have a different personality to the Fawks that gave to Harry.. Voldemort’s core was from Fawks who maybe valued power more than Harry’s core, and Harry’s core values love more… I hope I summoned it correctly…
yes, same pheonix, just that for example, voldermorts feather was before the pheonix burned to ash whilst harry feather was after the pheonix burned and rose from rebirth.. that's the theory@@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286
Perhaps my theory is that the brother feather chose Harry because it sensed its wand was the best way Harry could duel with the other feather owner. So in a way, since the other feather was possessed by Voldemort, its Brother feather chose Harry because Harry's counterpart had its counterpart. That way the wand chose to help Harry be on equal playing field as much as it could
Starting from the premise that the wand chose young Riddle but wouldn't have chosen adult Voldemort, you could speculate the wand served Voldemort less willingly than it had served Riddle. Then, suppose that when Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, the wand sensed in Harry what had bonded it to Riddle in the beginning, and in a way facilitated the soul transfer that made Harry a horcrux, in a sense making Harry another young Tom?
It still wouldn't work as the part of tom soul in harry is still evil (which shown in Chamber of secret, that all of Tom souls was evil), so really it wasn't Tom the feather/wand sense but Harry himself, if we go by HP theory, Also HP theory forgot that kid Tom wasn't innocent as he started down the dark path in the orphanage, as he stole things, hurt people and things like that, so even if Dumbledore try to help Tom the boy was actually at the point of no return when they met. Remember Tom don't know love, as he wasn't born out of love but more like faux love as his mother use a love potion on his father, now the one soul of Voldemort that came close to know anything about love was the one in Harry and as we saw in the deathly Hollow, it was on the verge of death because it got hit with the killing curse, however it was also small and frail probably due to that fact it wasn't used to the amount of love that Harry have and had been given, after all it because of that same love that Voldemort couldn't possess Harry.
I don't think Harry's wand only chose him because of the horcrux. Holly wood suits him very well, so i think it chose him because it suits him, not because of Voldemorts part in Harry
Honestly I always kinda had that theory in my head too. The only reason that the Phoenix feather wand chose Harry was because of the piece of Voldemort inside of him. I feel it goes back to the prophecy too. Like the wand chose him because Voldemort chose his family in a way. Which means if you ask me if Voldemort went after the Longbottoms instead and Neville’s mother did the same as Harry’s and sacrifice herself to save him… Neville would’ve lived and HE would have a the Phoenix core. In the end Like you said the only reason Harry or Neville would have been a huge deal is because of Tom Riddle.
I don't think it really matters if the phoenix feather chose someone evil. It's simply that Voldemort is unique and powerful, so it fits him. Just because fawkes is good doesn't mean the feather will choose someone good.
I really appreciate your deep dives into the world of Harry Potter! This has to be one of my favorites. So interesting to learn details about wands and Mr. Ollivander. Thanks for your amazing details!
I like the idea of Harry only being as great as he is because of Voldemort. That he isn't this inexplicably great-at-everything anime type protagonist, but that he was merely what he was because of his nemesis. It makes both Harry and Voldemort unique from other heroes and villains, Voldemort having put his own end in motion and being the root cause of what he so feared.
I never questioned why Harry got his wand. I always assumed it was because of his connection to Voldemort. Watching the first movie in 2001 I assumed a magical connection due to the scar, the. We learned of the prophecy & Voldemort’s soul inside Harry & that cemented my belief that Harry got the wand due to his connection to Voldemort. However I don’t think he would have got the wand if he had never been picked on that fateful night in godric’s hollow.
Imagine a wand made from the wood of whomping willow. I wonder what it's properties would be and would it be powerful, or maybe possibly harmful to its owner
We know that Nevil could have just as easily been "The chosen one" because he met all the same requirements of the prophesy. So if Tom had chosen Nevil then he still would have been defeated and I think that the wand that chose harry would have chosen him instead because the wand turned out to be a very important part of the whole puzzle. It follows then that yes, the wand likely was pulled to Harry only because of Tom's splintered soul embedded in him. I think though that it was likely attracted so it could help "the chosen one" to defeat the other wand and redeem the folly of the choice made by the other wand.
No, he wouldn't have defeated him because Voldemort wouldn't have given Neville's parents the option to survive. What really caused Voldemort to be defeated was Harry's mother's sacrifice. Snape asked Voldemort to spare her and because of that, Voldemort gave her the choice to survive but even so she chose to save her son's life, this protected Harry and caused the killing curse to ricochet. Voldemort had no reason to spare anyone in Neville's family, so Neville would have died even if Voldemort had gone after him. The prophecy could only have referred to Harry.
People say this because harry thinks it in a moment of reflection and sadness.....but its DEFINITELY not true though. You're totally ignoring the fact of the ONLY thing that saved harry from the curse was the ancient love sacrifice magic from his mother when she refused to step aside and actively chose to give her own life for his. You're also forgetting about snape.......think for a second how crucial snape was to dumbledore, the resistance, and the success of dumbledores plan with harry. He was in love with lily, and the moment he learned of her murder (despite his begging for her to be spared) was the moment voldemort lost him forever. Snape gave dumbledore crucial intel, played the role of double agent and then later when voldy came back played the role of triple agent. He kept both harry and dumbledore alive at different points (think how he counteracted quirrell or saved dumbledore from the curse). He swapped griffindores sword out for a fake and guided harry to the real one to finish destroying horcruxes. He took the unbreakable vow to kill dumbledore in malfoys place and informed dumbledore of everything...which lead to the misinformation that voldy believed snape was master of the elder wand instead of draco....and on his death he provided harry with the final pieces of the puzzle to know what had to happen next for dumbledores plan to work (ie the same ancient sacrificial magic lily made for harry, harry had to make in the forrest, which was why harry was able to come back and why voldemorts magic was no longer as effective anymore.) Neville simply didnt have these circumstances surrounding him. Snape was not in love with alice. He was not begging for alice's life and vowing to destroy voldemort on her behalf...voldy was never even giving her the option of choosing to sacrifice herself because of that...there was no snape (his favourite) to ask this. So she would have died instantly in the way james did....and so would neville.... It could only ever have been harry.
Plot armour or plot coincidences. The wand chooses the wizard even more so after the battle of Hogwarts and Voldemorts final defeat. The wand still chose Harry.
One Thing I Think that Has Gone Over Most People's Heads is that, the Phoenix Represents Life and Death and So Voldemort Represents Death and Harry Represents Life! Voldemort won't Except Death So He Brings Death to Others in a Futile Attempt for Life Eternal! The One Thing He Can't Have, Because He Is Death! While Harry Embraces Life But Excepts Death to Preserve the Life of Others! Because He is Life! Therefore He Lives and Voldemort Dies! Life and Death, the Phoenix!
There are things greater than power. Greatness can be shown through love, loyalty, bravery, knowledge, ambition. Harry was not born great, he chose to be great just like he chose with the sorting hat. He learned from the love of the people around him and proved his greatness by trial. Yes, Voldemort was powerful and great in his power, but Harry was great in a power that Voldemort knows not. The Phoenix gave an opportunity, the opportunity of choice is beyond power.
or maybe.... harry needed plot armour? but dumblydore did say he has some qualities in common with tom riddle but I think the wand Is a perfect symbolism to how you can have things in common but yet be different because of the choices you make, with their wands having the same core but different wood.
If it were true that the wand chose Harry because of the piece of Voldemort inside him then the plot in the 7th book wouldn’t have worked with the elder wands allegiance or all the other Wands allegiances that Harry ganged at malfoy manor.
I think it's because of Baltimore but what I think is because yes the phoenix feather did choose Tom Riddle others years ago and once he turned evil the phoenix feather realized what a mistake it had made and realized that Harry was the one that was going to defeat him when Harry went into buy his wand so yes and no I think if Voldemort hadn't done what he did Harry Potter would not have been bound for greatness he would have been a good wizard but that's about it I think that because the one sensible the more and Harry he knew it would be the only way he can make up for the mistake
Thanks for watching folks! What do you think of this theory? Leave a comment down below!
It s a good theory
It sounds highly plausible, there is something about Voldemort that already attracted the phoenix feather once, so maybe it is this same presence that attracted the second feather? From the sounds of it, phoenixes don't shed many feathers that can be used in wandcores, so it might have been prophecy... The feathers of Fawkes would always choose Voldemort and if Voldemort wouldn't have attacked Harry and infused him with part of his soul by accident, the wand would have remained ownerless for eternity (after all, it likely remained ownerless for more than 50 years). As only one wizard was worthy of the core, nobody could claim it. Unless they were Voldemort's equal. Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, by making him part Voldemort by accident so the wand would be attracted. It also would fullfill the "marking of an equal" in the prophecy even better. Voldemort made Harry his equal enabling to gain the loyality of a wand so equal to his own... Which in turn worked with the rest of prophecy as Harry was the only one who was able to withstand Voldemort and with cores of equal origin, it made Voldemorts wand less effective to Harry.
But there is also something else, over the years, Harry did tame the wand and gained its loyality, mostly due to Harry's own loyality to his wand, compared to Voldemort. There is an interesting difference between how Harry and Voldemort treated their wand. Once Voldemort realized that his wand was less effective against Harry, he abandoned it. The first time, Harry's wand retalliated against Voldemort using a different wand, by giving him a taste of the magic he used to produce with the brother wand and later Voldemort tried to tame the Elder Wand, over his own wand. Harry however could never abandon his wand. Even as the rightful owner of the Elder Wand, he only wanted to be able to use the wand he had bought from Ollivander. He used the most powerful wand in the world to repair his old one, who couldn't be fixed by another wand. Harry showed loyality to the wand to such a degree that it no longer mattered that he no longer had a piece of Voldemort in him, the wand was now fully loyal to him.
Before watching the vid: Well done on the "(very dark)". It clickbaited me right in.
Now let's see if it was legit.
if harry wasnt destined to be the one who lived then the other one who WAS supposed to be was Neville ...
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now why couldnt the feather have desired to right a wrong and chose harry to right the wrong of giving a wand with his feather in it to one who became as evil and corrupt as could be ..
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one little bit of oversight you did ... you say a a nonmuggle must use a wand .... yet riddle was hurting people WITHOUT a wand ... a wand is NOT required ... it is a channeling device or focus ... just like a voiced incantation is NOT needed to perform a spell ...
Your voice is so perfect for HP audiobooks. Everytime you read the quotes, i feel every word!
I think its a mistake to assume wands look for "good" or "bad" people. Ollivander is an extremely good example of a true neutral character. Yes he is terrified of Voldemort, but he also shows awe at Voldemorts power. And ultimately Ollivander is most interested in wands and their magic, no matter who the wands choose. Every bit of information he gets expands his knowledge. He is truly dedicated to his craft.
Ollivander is in a way, a personification of what wands are. They are true neutral. They are a mystery how they work yes, but the wands themselves are drawn to specific types of personalities, strengths in magic and types of magic. They don't care about good or evil. If they did, wouldn't all evil characters never get a wand choosing them?
Also the series talks again and again about how similar yet different Voldemort and Harry are. They are both orphans, they don't have real family, they have known cruelty, they both called Hogwarts home, and despite Harry's connections with Voldemort, he is truly a very powerful wizard, and it is reflective of his heritage and the spells he casts.
So I think it's safe to say the wands chose the two of them due to the internal characteristics that make up the young boys, and the potential they have. Not necessarily based of any potential to be good or evil, but more so based off personalities and the magical powers within themselves.
That’s beautiful
And seems spot on, best of both worlds lol
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“We can expect great things from you. After all he who must not be named did great things, terrible, but great things”. It’s something along the lines of that I didn’t want to check it as I think it’s right, but yeah I agree.
Yeah that was a mistaken assumption from him. I don't see wands caring about how good or bad a wizard is.
I thought Tom riddle killed his parents
Apart from the fact that Harry’s personality fit the type of wizard a Phoenix feather would choose, I think destiny played a role. The reason Voldemort went after Harry was because of the prophecy. So, perhaps the wand also sensed Harry’s role against Voldemort, and chose him knowing that when they finally battle it would be harder for Voldemort to harm Harry with his wand since the wands are brothers. If that makes sense.
Agreed
only one issue with theory. harry defeated he-who-must-not-be-named with draco's wand since his was snapped in half in his and hermine's hasty excape from godrids hollow..
@@davidnone-ya9316Well technically Draco’s wand didn’t defeat him, instead Lily’s protection deflected the killing curse back at him
Harry was pretty talented in his own right, his teachers said so, and he was way above level with certain difficult spells like the patronus charm. The part of Voldemorts soul did probably play some part, but the phoenix wand stayed his, after Voldemorts defeat.
I might also be that the very balance of magic was upset by Voldemorts abuse of (dark) magic and it put Harry and the prophecy into being to counteract, with things like the twinned wand cores and Harry being the polar opposite of Voldemort.
Voldemort made Harry significant when he chose to attack him. Remember that the prophecy said that the "Dark Lord shall mark him as his equal." Voldemort set the ball rollinh to connect him and Harry.
Harry completed the connection by choosing to be the one to defeat Voldemort. Dumbledore explained that it's the difference between being dragged into battle and walking in with your head held high.
Connected by coincidence/fate but intertwined by choice.
It makes sense that Harry's wand attaches itself to the part of Voldemort inside him as this storyline forms the backbone to the whole series. Other explanations require dovetailing into the storyline or some speculation.
I just thought this very comment.
There's one thing that instantly disproves this theory. It's that when the horcrux was removed from Harry and the holly wand was repaired, Harry was still it's master. Whilst the Elder wand changes master to whoever beats it's previous ones, phoenix wands are more loyal, so the fact that the Holly wand's power didn't disappear with the horcrux means that you've gone in the wrong direction. I think it would be more suitable to say Fawkes is a bit like Dumbledore. In its early days it chose power and glory - Tom Riddle. In it's later days it chose love and compassion - Harry.
Odd how no one commented on the one thing that truly makes the two wands "polar" opposites, a pole being a single object in which the magnetic charges have been repulsed to the maximum distance from one another. The power source itself, the feather, is neutral, neither good nor evil, but capable of being used for either purpose. But the choices of wood have definite moral overtones. Holly is not a particularly strong wood, but it is extremely pale and usually described as being white. Of the timber native to the British isles, yew is both quite strong and flexible, and so dark of tone that it is often described as being black. Visually this is completely missed in the movies, but yes - Harry's wand is white, and Voldemort's is black. If you are looking for moral symbols, there's not a much clearer picture.
Great video but this is the first one that I disagree with. Your views that Phoenix chose both Voldemort and Harry because they were both exceptionally great wizards and would do amazing things and also the other view that it only picked Harry because a piece of Voldemort was inside of him I disagree…the real reason is because Phoenix knew the future in that Harry would need that phoenix feather in order to defeat Voldemort it protects him as they have the same core It chose Harry for a reason and that reason is to fight evil with good to defeat Voldemort by having the same wand core
Dumbledore found brought both voldemort and Harry into the Wizarding world. He also is the owner of fauks. He also is was a very cautious wizard whom knew many other powerful wizards. Maybe he was told by a seer about the events of voldemorte and Harry, and while not entirely believing that this was destiny, he would be cautious enough to plan for the worst. Hence he gets the Phoenix to donate 2 feathers. Gets olivander to ensure that both characters recieve said wands. Etc. Etc.
I completely agree with the Voldemort theory but regarding Harry; yes, he was in a way 'pushed' to do great things as a wizard because he had to battle Voldemort to save his own life. And yes, his fame came from the manifestation of Voldemort's advanced dark magic that left Harry the scar. People thought it was his deed when in fact it was Lily's magic that made all the situation that took place possible (Harry's survival due to her protection and the involuntary horcrux made because the killing curse bounced). But let's not forget, although i do agree that the wand chose Harry because of Voldemort's soul inside of him; Harry's bravery was what made him duel with Voldemort all those numerous occasions. He didn't know the complexity that magic could offer, yet he never feared saying his name and was always willing to fight him. He learned advanced magic because of the danger Voldemort put him through, yes, but he was able to learn them being so young and inexperienced, so that's talent. A talent which combined with destiny, made him great. Maybe the phoenix feather had forsee Harry's potential to greatness and also sensed his propensity to thrive.
The wand chooses Harry because of the profecy, Voltermont marked him as Equal putting him a part of his soul with a mark, from this moment Harry and Voltermont sharing same destiny, same past same traumas, with different paths. Harrys Yin is Toms Yan.
there’s only one thing that harry voldemort & fawkes share : they have defied death
I am curious of what would happen if you turned a Phoenix into a Horcrux. I mean if the Phoenix was killed would that part of the Soul die or would it never die because the Phoenix is basically immortal. Maybe Folklore could answer this.
Maybe it had something to do with the prophecy and the wand being drawn to harry because of the horecrux that voldemort had laid inside harry (scar) as you mentioned. Honestly plot set aside, i think mostly that it was the fact that the wand was "destined" to be drawn to harry being that him and voldemort shared the connection that harry would need in order for him to fulfill the prophecy. If it wouldn't be for that spell that comes out from the wand when two "brother" wands tries to attack the other harry surely would've died at the graveyard meaning he couldn't fulfill the prophecy. there's no way that what wand harry got was chanced being that harry was prophesied to vanquish the dark lord for good.
so all in all, The wand chose Harry because of the connection between him and voldemort (the horecrux) and because he was prophesied to vanquish the dark lord for good. There is just no way that harry comes out alive from the graveyard withouth the help of that spell when two brother cores attack eachother, hes what a 4th year student vs the infamous dark lord voldemort who swept with terror and fear through the whole wizarding world during his reign before he "died". Even when he's gone people fear speaking his name, that says just abit of how he was during his reign.
iirc. Olivander said something along the lines of "strange, curious that this wand would be drawn to you when the twin brother of this core did terrible but great things" when first meeting him in the wand store.
I think the Phoenix feather sensed goodness and greatness in Harry. It wanted to defeat the evil that it was previously given feather wielded. Much like The Sorting Hat's decision.
we would all love to think that Harry was destined for great things (actually he was it just happened that the path started with Voldy giving him a push in that direction on accident with a piece of his own soul).....but at the same time, wands can think, they choose the wizard/witch.....Harry's wand did sense the piece of Voldy in him, the phoenix feather came from Fawkes (the second feather was drawn to Harry because of the piece of Voldy) and the first feather chose Voldy....being from the same Phoenix, the 2 feathers both chose Voldy, if you think about it....but Voldy was always destined to create his own Nemesis.....what if Neville would have been the chosen one, what if Neville's mother jumped between Voldy and Neville that night, what if the piece of Voldy entered Neville instead?....the 2nd phoenix feather (The one in the Holly wand) would have choosen Neville instead of Harry, for the same exact reason...the piece of Voldy's soul inside him....but that was always destined to be
A thoughtful video as always. Some great discussions in the comments.
Riddle wanted to live forever; Phoenixes are immortal. The 'wand chooses the wizard' theory is similar to astrology, imho. They read way to much into simple events. ;) A wizard's idiosyncratic powers might have a special affinity to a specific combination of wood and core, so that their efficiency is multiplied. But the wand is not a sentient object with desires and goals. So Riddle's desire and focus upon immortality resonated well with the phoenix feather core and wood type.
And yep, a large part of Harry's getting the other phoenix feather wand was the piece of Riddle's soul within him, possessing the same affinities. However, note that Harry's powers didn't apparently diminish after the soul was removed from him. At that point, perhaps, the fact that he *had* actually died and been reborn gave him his own affinity to the phoenix, which could have been even more powerful than the Riddle immortality wish.
Could Fawkes have known that the two needed a twin core? it would explain why he seemingly refused to give more than those two feathers.
When did Fawkes donate the feathers? If the second feather was donated after Voldemort's rise to power then it could be that it was donated for Harry to beat Voldemort. A sort of redemption from Fawkes.
What I find interesting is how both Voldemort and Harry are able to cheat death, but in different ways and for different reasons. I also like the contrast in the fact that Harry is pretty much average is most ways, and Tom is exceptional in every way
I think it’s more likely that magic imprints. The killing curse is powerful magic. When it hit Harry it imprinted him with a residual of the wand it came from. Like a fingerprint. The feather sensed it’s familiar ON Harry.
I have a counter-question. Why did none of the other wands choose Harry? So my thoughts on why Harry's wand chose him is because he had already killed Voldemort as an infant and was destend to kill him again. In the wand duel, Harry's wand forced Voldermort's wand to expel past spells. Harry just had more raw power. That is what both the wands chose, mighty wizards
I often have thought of it as possible device intervention. I believe in it and that it happens in ways that can be explained away.
I wonder whether phoenix meat tastes like partridge...
i always believed they got the same cores because tom got the wamd firat and harry had part of tom inside him via the horcrux hence why he was chosen
I’ve always disagreed with the notion that Harry isn’t special apart from his connection to Voldemort and that’s why the wand chose him. You see it was Harry who made his choices and it was his choices that made him special. The wand chose Harry because he was the opposite of riddle in every way. And this made him especially appropriate for the wand.
I don't disagree that having voldemort inside could be a reason for the core choosing him, as well as voldemort marking harry as the equal and not NEville. Because in the end neville could be in harry;s situation. But Harry also comes from greatness too through his family. James and Lilly (albeit James can be jerky sometimes as a teen) were part of the order of the phoenix and did well in school. Also the pooter lineage and being a descendant from the peverell brothers, and lily herself was great witch ( i.e. the hermione of her generation).
I think it could be who the Phoenix was with at the time of the feather was dropped. We don’t know if they were dropped at the same time. So maybe the first one was dropped when Dumbledore was in a dark place. Then one was dropped late when he was in a better place.
I've looked at things like that as both. It is prophesied and foretold, yes. But it still needs a practical reason to have happened in the actual world as it exists, so it need a cause to be an effect of.
It is always said that if it wasn't Harry - Neville was the runner up. So I think it's voldemort within Harry that made him great. Without a doubt, actually... or at least I would bet money on it. I will say though that while it's acceptable coincidence that they share the same phoenix, I find it a bit of a stretch that the said Phoenix is Fawkes.
It's pretty obvious. The way it's written, the wand chose Harry to foreshadow the fact that he was a horcrux, and that's the end of it. I know, it's not a fun explanation. It was just a practical storytelling device, if you will. It has nothing to do with anything but that.
I think, if the Wand would not choose Voldemort as Voldemort (only as Tom Riddle) it wouldnt just choose Harry, because of the piece of Voldemort in him. Because this was already an evil piece of him.
He may had not been destined to be great at birth but as soon as Voldemort decided that Harry was the child from the prophecy he’s destiny changed.
The wand chose Harry because Voldemort chose to mark him as his equal. It knew Harry would be just as powerful if not maybe more power than Lord Voldemort. Seeing as the wand are equals as well.
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Harry ancestry is the third Peverell brother and Tom ancestry is the second Peverell brother. Harry was destined to wield the other twin core to bring Karmic balance. To bad Harry wasn't the heir of Gryffindor everything would come full circle then with Tom is also being a descent of Slytherin. It would of been poetic justice.
I think Fawkes knew that the first feather would end up with Voldemort so he gave another feather so a brother wand would be born in order to combat him.
I actually think that is true. There is a theory that nevil longbottom is the chosen one and the professies are actually about him. It is the same with harry talking to snakes they theorise in the story that is because of voldermorts soul.
I’m going with it was attracted to Voldemorts soul. If Harry didn’t have Voldemort’s soul in him I think it’s safe to say he would have had a different wand pick him.
I always like to thing Harry would've been a slightly above average person if not for Voldemort. Voldemort was the truly talented wizard with incredible ambition and the will to do anything to achieve them, Harry is the enemy Voldemort created in his lust for power. This is further reinforced by the prophecy, wich ultimately was "Voldemort will make his greatest enemy while trying to secure his power and immortality".
To me the fact that the Holly wand chose Harry because of Voldemort's soul shard is thematically resonant with everything else. The only two things that made harry special, at the end of the day, were the bit of Voldemort's soul inside of him and Love, the love of his mother that died to save him and the love he had for his friends and close ones.
Plot twist. Phoenix appear to Dumbledore s in time of great need. Fawks appears, Albus gets the elderwand and donates only 2 feathers oddly to hallows holders.....
Also I didn't realize it was Faukes's feathers!
I think its bc harry and voldemort are destend to fight
I disagree because the Phoenix that existed when it gave the feather to riddles wand is not the same Phoenix that was reborn. Also harry's wand works well for him even after the horcrux is destroyed
"Harry swallowed thirteen and a half inches" lmao
Because it belonged to a Dumbledore and it was seeking out its owner. Given that they are all decendants of three brothers it makes sense.
So would the wand still be loyal to Harry after the horcrux was destroyed? Did it like Harry to begin with? Perhaps it bonded with him over the years. Maybe Dumbledore orchestrated everything to save Harry from Voldemort via priori incantarum.
I think Harry’s wand is loyal even without Voldemort’s piece of his soul.
I think Fawkes was spiteful because Dumbledore said he was an ugly baby, and secretly supported Tom a bit because of it.
Harry became great, because of Voldemort, whether directly or indirectly.
Also, let's not forgot the sorting hat said that he had a thirst to prove himself.
wasnt this obvious? without Voldemort, harry is "Just Harry"
Twin wands one almost has to be evil
I don't agree. In the book after Voldemort is destroyed and the piece of his soul in Harry is destroyed, Harry uses the elder wand to repair his broken phoenix wand which when it is repaired Harry takes it and it is warm in his hand and it emits red and gold sparks just like the wand did when it first chose him.
So, are wands constructed in a similar manner as a blunt? How else would you get the core inside?
Although I do agree a massive amount of Harry’s fame is due to his tie with Voldemort, I don’t agree that Harry lacks significance in all other regards. Keep in mind James potter and the potter line in general has a pretty substantial reputation all on its own, so it’s safe to assume Harry would have been famous regardless
They're just a rich and old known family. Doesn't mean their members are any more or less likely to be great. Harry would have likely been a good wizard without Voldemort ever entering his life. But not much more. It was his experience with Voldemort that made Harry extra resilient. Voldemort killed his parents and so he was forced to grow up in harsh conditions. This made him resilient and strong.
I know both wands have a pheonix feather from the same pheonix but is that pheonix really fawkes? I never heard that
I think Harry was a muggle without voldemort's curse tbh?
Independently of the feather, Fawkes assisted Harry in the chamber of secrets. There was an affinity between Fawkes and Harry and, on the surface, it was a reward for Harry defending Dumbledore, but it could run deeper than that. Harry had to arise from the ashes of his early abusive childhood and also had to rise again after being struck down by Voldemorte in the forest in the deathly hallows. Fawkes likely saw a kindred spirit within Harry and his destiny.
Nice
but all that appened after the wand chose Harry. Fawkes didn't knew Harry when he went to pick his wand, and it certainly didn't knew Harry nor Tom Riddle when they plucked his feathers to make those wands
Mark Warburton I like your explanation more than I like the theory video that is the reason we both commented
@@matteobetti2233 he possibly did. For I wouldn't be surprised if Harry was in Dumbledore's office trying to figure out who to give Harry to figuring out his current relatives.
Voldemort*
The book is very explicit about this. When Voldemort tried to kill Harry he made Harry the one to fulfill the prophecy that would lead to his doom. Had he chosen another, such as Neville, that person would be the one to fulfill the prophecy and therefore, most likely, have had the phoenix feather want - and Harry, meanwhile, would probably have had a wand similar to that of his father or mother.
Given that, it is very clear that the wand chose Harry because it senses Tom Riddle, but it is also clear that, by the end of the books, the wand had long since changed its allegiance from Tom Riddle to Harry himself, as it embraces him fully after being repaired with the Elder Wand despite the fact that Voldemort's Horcrux was no longer in Harry; why? Because Harry proved himself great in his trials against Voldemort, earning the wand's respect if he hadn't it already.
I was about to say the same thing. But I also think Fwakes chose harry for his own talent too. Harry felt the same warmth after he repaired the wand as he did the first time. So I disagree that Fwakes chose harry just because of voldemort's soul. Harry was magically endowed just not in way voldemort was. They both had same ancestors for starters.
@@priyadarshinithakur2546 actually they have not, harry is not a descendant of Salazar. Tom riddle it is.
@@deliorgaiulian8072 but they both are descendants of peverall family..furthermore Harry became the true owner of all three hallows hence master of death, something voldemort is incapable of.
@@deliorgaiulian8072 harry is the heir of invisibility cloak and tom elder wnad
@@Sa-wh2xk yes. Harry is the decendant of the third brother, Ignotus, making him the owner of the invisibility cloak. Tom Riddle however isn't a decendant of the first brother but of the second brother. Therefore, Tom is the owner of the second brother's Resurrection Stone. Not the Elder wand.
Harry's individual greatness is constantly at odds with his connection to Voldemort. In the beginning, one could say Harry was only significant because he was "The Boy Who Lived"; but after finishing the story, one could hardly say that Harry was not great of his own accord. He mastered multiple spells, conquered many enemies, and showed bravery unmatched by any other at his age. But above all, Harry gave love despite his life being filled with pain, death, and hate. It is this act alone that proved his greatness. When his love persevered against all the evils in the world, he achieved the pinnacle of character.
🙌 yes, the love that Harry has despite all of the horrific things that happened to him is also what makes him great.
pain can make us great, ying and yang. Voldemort defined Harry's path. I believe Harry on his own would have been another spoiled rich and avg wizard. But, Voldemort and Harry's friends and professors affected his choices and growth towards greatness.
what? lmao harry was a pretty pathetic wizard all the way through. Consider his father, James Potter was an animagous by fifth year and created the marauders map with his friends. Harry at this time had just learned the stunning spell. Couldnt even do nonverbal spells. Completely failed at learning occlumency etc.
@@geocaching69 This comment totally missed the point of what I wrote. The entire idea is that he is great because of his personality traits, not his power. Which is one of the key elements of the novels.
@@geocaching69 Harry his father was an exceptional wizard. what you are saying is the same as saying all physicists are pathetic because they aren't as great as Steven Hawkins. Harry wasn't a "pathetic" wizard just not as exceptional as his father.
My head cannon was that when Voldemort tried to kill him with the wand and failed, the magic kind of punished him for his hubris and in the same way Lily’s love protected Harry from Voldemort’s killing curse, his willingness to leave behind his humanity lead to his wand’s brother wanting to protect Harry from him. I know there’s no like evidence or anything for that but I always thought that the wand chose Harry because it knew it needed to protect him from its brother with the whole priori incantatem thing just cause it sounds cool
I have always figured that the reason why the wand choose Harry was because He lived through the killing curse cast from Voldemorts wand. As the two wands are brothers, Harry’s wand chose him because he bested Voldemort. Following the wand lore of the elder wand, that wand Aligned itself to Harry.
Dis you just assume the wands gender?
I would agree. The vid was very good but in a way contradicted itself. He said that as Voldemort the wand would not have chosen him. It chose him as Tom Riddle for his potential and power. The parasite in Harry was Voldemort not Tom Riddle. The wand would have sensed that Harry was touched by a powerful dark curse but was alive. It would have sensed power in him and potential as well. We can say because of Voldemort's actions, Harry was chosen but I dont agree that because a piece of Voldemort was in Harry that the wand chose him.
@@jamescunningham1844 Really? 🙄
I really like that explanation! Thank you
Harry is also descended from Ignotus Peverell so why wouldn't he be destined for great things? We know he's one of the prophecy choices, and becomes the Chosen one *because* voldy chose him and not Neville. Multiple times Harry performed magic that was above his age level. I really can't agree with the dark side of why this wand would have chosen him. He was the antithesis of voldemort. Good against evil. Selfless against selfish. Powerful and yeah, heroic. Ultimately, in this story good triumphs over evil, and that wouldn't have been possible if the wand chose Harry for wicked reasons.
My theory has always been this: Phoenixes are detached from the mortal realm. it's said as much and confirmed by JK herself. I think Fawkes, perhaps having some foreknowledge through magical means, did it just to see what would play out. Essentially, he did it for the LOLS, but knew exactly what he was doing.
What I want to know is, was Voldemort's wand always so sinister looking? It's hard to imagine some young orphan boy going into Ollivander's and then getting a wand. A wand that's looking so well, frankly, evil. I'm wondering if Voldemort's wand originally looked more "normal" and much like his own body slowly transformed into the more sinister looking wand as Voldemort performed ever more increasingly dark magic. Perhaps its a topic you could discuss in a video
I like the theory...
In one of the French fan films about Voldemort, they show the process about how his wand became that way, it’s really cool and honestly it’s already in my head as canon
@@mikaelamilazzo5070 sooo, can you tell us?
in rhe movie flashbacks you can actually see that his wand looked different in his school days so that theory cant be that far off
Voldemort’s wand changed in appearance along with him when he made his Horcruxes. The more Horcruxes Voldemort made, the more his appearance changed. This is because making Horcruxes (as we know) split the soul apart and it had negative affects on Voldemort’s appearance because he’d split his soul so many times.
I don’t like the way my skin feels on my body, do you like the way your skin feels on your body? No? Then RIP IT OFF.
I feel that death and rebirth was such a strong destiny for Voldemort and Harry that maybe that could have a connection between Fawkes.
There are 2 major points against the idea that Harry Potter was only great because of the piece of Voldermort's soul inside him.
1. his mother is one of the greatest potioneers Slughorn ever had the privilege of teaching.
and was both talented and POWERFUL with magic beyond potions.
there's a reason Harry is attracted to Ginny.
Just 1 single Reducto curse from Ginny brought down the Hall Of Prophecy.
Lily Potter's sacrifice was powerful enough to protect Harry from Voldermort's Killing Curse.
I think Harry is attracted to Ginny because her power is familiar to him (because Ginny's power is comparable to Lily's power).
2. he is a Potter.
his father was excellent at Quidditch,
but even more impressively... James became an Animagus without being guided thru the process by an Animagus... as a child!
fully grown and fully trained adult wizards with Animagus guides have had terrible accidents when attempting to become Animagi.
it's just that difficult.
All of The Marauders were exceptionally powerful, not just because 3 of them became Animagi as children, but also because the 4 of them created the Marauder's Map together. That map is essentially on par with most ancient magical relics and icons. Extremely impressive.
Harry and James Potter are NOT the only impressive Potters.
Their last name has an origin.
Linfred of Stinchcombe AKA "The Potterer" invented many medicinal potions including early versions of Skele-gro and Pepperup Potion.
...emphasis on regrowing bones back...
Fleamont Potter, Harry's grandpa, was also a potterer and invented Sleekeazy's Hair Potion (sure, less important than a potion that regrows bones, but still impressive).
Between Linfred "The Potterer", Fleamont Potter, and Lily Evans... I'm beginning to wonder if Harry would have been Outstanding at Potions even before getting the Half-Blood Prince's book if Snape had not mistreated him.
Linfred's son, Hardwin Potter, married Iolanthe Peverell...
...the granddaughter of Ignotus Peverell, who either created The Cloak Of Invisibility (while there are other invisibility cloaks, all of them lose their ability over time... except this one), or received it from Death personified... after besting Death personified...
the point of all this is that Harry has power and greatness from both his mom and his dad.
remember that Voldemort can't produce a Patronus.
Harry's fully formed and powerful Patronus (as a child!) is NOT because he has a piece of Voldermort's soul inside him.
it's because he is the child of 2 very powerful magic users.
all that being said... I do believe Fawkes' feather chose Harry because Voldemort chose Harry.
If Voldemort has chosen Neville, then Fawkes' feather would have chosen Neville.
but NOT because of the greatness that a piece of Voldemort's soul imbues...
...but because Phoenixes represent death and rebirth.
Voldemort is death.
the one he chooses to mark as his equal is rebirth... death's undoing...
the Phoenix's first feather chose Tom Riddle... it did not choose Voldemort...
the other feather chose Voldemort's undoing... to right the wrong...
...to bring life where Voldemort misused the first feather to bring death.
This is sadly plausible. Either way, Voldemort doomed himself in his attempt to avoid his downfall/death. However, if the wand wood plays a role in wizard selection then this theory cannot be the entire explanation as holly describes Harry pretty well.
I think it’s just that the fact the phoenix feather where only 2 where made
The difference is the wood and and length and flexibility
I think the wands in question where always opposites
One craved power and was more prone to choose someone who can change the world by any means hence the yew wood given its a wood that looks for someone over life and death and length being 13 meaning it looks for much character in someone
As for Harry’s wand it was more humble more or less equal to its brother but didn’t seek power or care for it and choose someone who has a journey based on spiritual path and good intentions
Hence the holly wood description, and the length being 11 inch means it was looking for someone of decent character
And probably choose Harry cause it now knew what’s it’s brother did and sensed Harry was it’s target
Choosing harry to protect him just as it would have if longbottom was though off as the chosen one instead
Both would be set on a spiritual journey with good intentions and both had decent personalities
It wouldn’t choose harry based on harry being a horcux given the other aspects of the wand suggest otherwise
You initially stated that the wand chose young Tom Riddle because he had not yet been twisted/corrupted but was still full of potential to good. You said that you believed older Tom/Voldy would not have been chosen. The part of Voldemort that is inside of Harry's scar wouldn't have been chosen by this logic. I believe that the wand saw Harry's soul/spirit/potential and chose him based on this just like it chose Tom before he perverted himself.
I agree, in a sense he kind of backtrack there, because it was proven in Chamber of Secret that all of Tom souls are automatically evil, so if it sense tom soul in Harry, than the Wand wouldn't have chosen Harry, because that soul is corrupt with evil, so really The wand chose Harry Himself, not because of the prophecy or his connection with Voldy, So really even if Voldy didn't choose him it more likely he would still get the same wand, as not all children got the same wand as their parents
Even if Harry was only chosen because of the Horcrux, the wood plays a part. If both yew and holly are symbols of immortality, yew (Voldemort) is viewed as a symbol of doom and holly (Harry) as symbol of evergreen, everlasting life and rebirth.
Add to the equation loyalty to Dumbledore.
It would be interesting to know if both wands were twins made at the same time or if Harry's wand was made later on as a "counterevil" to its brother.
Hmm i reasoned this way as well but its called the twin cores after all so i think its made together, however i think it makes you're reason even more pluasible as the one feather was made the other was too to balance the equation almost like an Ying yang effect
3:56 "One thing is clear...we can expect great things from you." Always loved this line, ever since it was spoken in the first movie's trailer! Also, refreshing to see how much of this conversation was adapted precisely into the movie- something that didn't happen as frequently in later installments
I would like to point out that, after Harry repaired his phoenix wand with the elder wand, his wand sort of re-chose him (feeling warm to his fingers and emitting sparks) even after Voldemort's soul was removed and destroyed. Therefore, I don't think the wand chose Harry because of Tom Riddle
Remember Malfoy never had his wand choose him, his mom bought his wand for him. After Harry wrestled Malfoy's wand away it started serving Harry. The problem is Malfoy's wand had a unicorn hair string core and stay very loyal to their original owner yet it switched allegiances to Potter. Because that wand was never truly Malfoy's, it was Harry's from the very beginning. Now however Malfoy himself became a very talented wizard despite using a wand that was never truly his.
Now, if it's true that unicorn core wands can not make dark magic and and Draco's mother bought his that wand .. was it on purpose?
I understand that a wand chooses the wizard. My question is why is a wizard rejected by so many other wands?
I love this question!!!
I think you’re absolutely right. The prophecy was that Riddle would mark a child as his equal. Voldemort selected the other for Harry to be great. Whomever he chose (for example Neville) would likely have gone the same route.
Or what if the Phoenix feather chose Harry because of Harry AND Tom's Soul BOTH inside of Harry? The eclipse of Light and Darkness maybe?
Here is my theory, I think the Phoenix wands are both good spirited initially, they saw in both Harry, and Voldemort wizards who would rise from ashes and achieve greatness, and have their name forever known however I think the wands wanted this to be for the greater good, but voldemorts wand slowly through corruption and dark magic seeked only power and due to a dog like loyalty (which phoenixes though independent seem very loyal as seen why they stick around Dumbledores) allowed corruption, while the brother seeked the same but had a loyalty to good that was not corrupted, if the wand favored Voldemort despite the horxcruz I don't think it would choose the boy who may one day defeat him, I believe Harry's wand never became corrupted such as riddles wand
Always thought it was interesting how Harry breaks the Elder Wand in the movies but in the books he keeps it safeguarded, saying if he dies a natural death then it will break the vicious cycle because he will have never been defeated.
Yes, and the absolute madlad runs off to become an Auror, whose entire job is to confront powerful Dark Wizards.
Brains like that, he could've been a Death Eater, as Aberforth seemed fond of saying.
Maybe we should be laying these little idiocies at the doorstep of Rowling herself. I'm sure her "Oh, my Math!" deficiency extends to basic logic too.
There was another theory I watched that goes like this: (if I can summarize it correctly)
Fawks being a Phoenix, can be reborn, it may be possible that the Fawks that gave the wand core for Voldemort’s wand and the Fawks that gave the core for Harry’s wand could be the same bird, just at a different stage of life. It could also mean that the Fawks that gave the core to Voldemort may have a different personality to the Fawks that gave to Harry.. Voldemort’s core was from Fawks who maybe valued power more than Harry’s core, and Harry’s core values love more… I hope I summoned it correctly…
Theu are twin cores, cant be twins if they came from different phoenix
yes, same pheonix, just that for example, voldermorts feather was before the pheonix burned to ash whilst harry feather was after the pheonix burned and rose from rebirth.. that's the theory@@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286
Perhaps my theory is that the brother feather chose Harry because it sensed its wand was the best way Harry could duel with the other feather owner.
So in a way, since the other feather was possessed by Voldemort, its Brother feather chose Harry because Harry's counterpart had its counterpart.
That way the wand chose to help Harry be on equal playing field as much as it could
Starting from the premise that the wand chose young Riddle but wouldn't have chosen adult Voldemort, you could speculate the wand served Voldemort less willingly than it had served Riddle. Then, suppose that when Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry, the wand sensed in Harry what had bonded it to Riddle in the beginning, and in a way facilitated the soul transfer that made Harry a horcrux, in a sense making Harry another young Tom?
Now here is the thing... it sounds really cool, but likely author didnt really think of that.
It still wouldn't work as the part of tom soul in harry is still evil (which shown in Chamber of secret, that all of Tom souls was evil), so really it wasn't Tom the feather/wand sense but Harry himself, if we go by HP theory, Also HP theory forgot that kid Tom wasn't innocent as he started down the dark path in the orphanage, as he stole things, hurt people and things like that, so even if Dumbledore try to help Tom the boy was actually at the point of no return when they met. Remember Tom don't know love, as he wasn't born out of love but more like faux love as his mother use a love potion on his father, now the one soul of Voldemort that came close to know anything about love was the one in Harry and as we saw in the deathly Hollow, it was on the verge of death because it got hit with the killing curse, however it was also small and frail probably due to that fact it wasn't used to the amount of love that Harry have and had been given, after all it because of that same love that Voldemort couldn't possess Harry.
I don't think Harry's wand only chose him because of the horcrux. Holly wood suits him very well, so i think it chose him because it suits him, not because of Voldemorts part in Harry
Yeah but Harry could of gotten any other Holly wood wand
Honestly I always kinda had that theory in my head too. The only reason that the Phoenix feather wand chose Harry was because of the piece of Voldemort inside of him. I feel it goes back to the prophecy too. Like the wand chose him because Voldemort chose his family in a way. Which means if you ask me if Voldemort went after the Longbottoms instead and Neville’s mother did the same as Harry’s and sacrifice herself to save him… Neville would’ve lived and HE would have a the Phoenix core. In the end Like you said the only reason Harry or Neville would have been a huge deal is because of Tom Riddle.
I don't think it really matters if the phoenix feather chose someone evil.
It's simply that Voldemort is unique and powerful, so it fits him. Just because fawkes is good doesn't mean the feather will choose someone good.
It'd be more ironic after Voldermort is gone, Harry's wand no longer works.
I really appreciate your deep dives into the world of Harry Potter! This has to be one of my favorites. So interesting to learn details about wands and Mr. Ollivander. Thanks for your amazing details!
I like the idea of Harry only being as great as he is because of Voldemort.
That he isn't this inexplicably great-at-everything anime type protagonist, but that he was merely what he was because of his nemesis. It makes both Harry and Voldemort unique from other heroes and villains, Voldemort having put his own end in motion and being the root cause of what he so feared.
I never questioned why Harry got his wand. I always assumed it was because of his connection to Voldemort. Watching the first movie in 2001 I assumed a magical connection due to the scar, the. We learned of the prophecy & Voldemort’s soul inside Harry & that cemented my belief that Harry got the wand due to his connection to Voldemort. However I don’t think he would have got the wand if he had never been picked on that fateful night in godric’s hollow.
Imagine a wand made from the wood of whomping willow. I wonder what it's properties would be and would it be powerful, or maybe possibly harmful to its owner
Lol!🤣🤣
We know that Nevil could have just as easily been "The chosen one" because he met all the same requirements of the prophesy. So if Tom had chosen Nevil then he still would have been defeated and I think that the wand that chose harry would have chosen him instead because the wand turned out to be a very important part of the whole puzzle. It follows then that yes, the wand likely was pulled to Harry only because of Tom's splintered soul embedded in him. I think though that it was likely attracted so it could help "the chosen one" to defeat the other wand and redeem the folly of the choice made by the other wand.
No nevil wouldn’t have gotten the wand. His grandmother would likely still make him use his fathers Unicorn hair wand.
No, he wouldn't have defeated him because Voldemort wouldn't have given Neville's parents the option to survive. What really caused Voldemort to be defeated was Harry's mother's sacrifice. Snape asked Voldemort to spare her and because of that, Voldemort gave her the choice to survive but even so she chose to save her son's life, this protected Harry and caused the killing curse to ricochet. Voldemort had no reason to spare anyone in Neville's family, so Neville would have died even if Voldemort had gone after him. The prophecy could only have referred to Harry.
People say this because harry thinks it in a moment of reflection and sadness.....but its DEFINITELY not true though. You're totally ignoring the fact of the ONLY thing that saved harry from the curse was the ancient love sacrifice magic from his mother when she refused to step aside and actively chose to give her own life for his. You're also forgetting about snape.......think for a second how crucial snape was to dumbledore, the resistance, and the success of dumbledores plan with harry. He was in love with lily, and the moment he learned of her murder (despite his begging for her to be spared) was the moment voldemort lost him forever.
Snape gave dumbledore crucial intel, played the role of double agent and then later when voldy came back played the role of triple agent. He kept both harry and dumbledore alive at different points (think how he counteracted quirrell or saved dumbledore from the curse). He swapped griffindores sword out for a fake and guided harry to the real one to finish destroying horcruxes. He took the unbreakable vow to kill dumbledore in malfoys place and informed dumbledore of everything...which lead to the misinformation that voldy believed snape was master of the elder wand instead of draco....and on his death he provided harry with the final pieces of the puzzle to know what had to happen next for dumbledores plan to work (ie the same ancient sacrificial magic lily made for harry, harry had to make in the forrest, which was why harry was able to come back and why voldemorts magic was no longer as effective anymore.)
Neville simply didnt have these circumstances surrounding him. Snape was not in love with alice. He was not begging for alice's life and vowing to destroy voldemort on her behalf...voldy was never even giving her the option of choosing to sacrifice herself because of that...there was no snape (his favourite) to ask this. So she would have died instantly in the way james did....and so would neville....
It could only ever have been harry.
Plot armour or plot coincidences. The wand chooses the wizard even more so after the battle of Hogwarts and Voldemorts final defeat. The wand still chose Harry.
One Thing I Think that Has Gone Over Most People's Heads is that, the Phoenix Represents Life and Death and So Voldemort Represents Death and Harry Represents Life! Voldemort won't Except Death So He Brings Death to Others in a Futile Attempt for Life Eternal! The One Thing He Can't Have, Because He Is Death! While Harry Embraces Life But Excepts Death to Preserve the Life of Others! Because He is Life! Therefore He Lives and Voldemort Dies! Life and Death, the Phoenix!
There are things greater than power. Greatness can be shown through love, loyalty, bravery, knowledge, ambition. Harry was not born great, he chose to be great just like he chose with the sorting hat. He learned from the love of the people around him and proved his greatness by trial. Yes, Voldemort was powerful and great in his power, but Harry was great in a power that Voldemort knows not. The Phoenix gave an opportunity, the opportunity of choice is beyond power.
Extremely interesting!!!i a.ways wondered if Fawks was the Phoenix who’s tail feathers were in Harryand Voldemort’s wands!
or maybe.... harry needed plot armour? but dumblydore did say he has some qualities in common with tom riddle but I think the wand Is a perfect symbolism to how you can have things in common but yet be different because of the choices you make, with their wands having the same core but different wood.
If it were true that the wand chose Harry because of the piece of Voldemort inside him then the plot in the 7th book wouldn’t have worked with the elder wands allegiance or all the other Wands allegiances that Harry ganged at malfoy manor.
I think it's because of Baltimore but what I think is because yes the phoenix feather did choose Tom Riddle others years ago and once he turned evil the phoenix feather realized what a mistake it had made and realized that Harry was the one that was going to defeat him when Harry went into buy his wand so yes and no I think if Voldemort hadn't done what he did Harry Potter would not have been bound for greatness he would have been a good wizard but that's about it I think that because the one sensible the more and Harry he knew it would be the only way he can make up for the mistake
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