What Curse Was on Dumbledore's Hand? - Harry Potter Theory
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re discussing Albus Dumbledore, the Half-Blood Prince, Voldemort & the vicious curse with which Dumbledore was afflicted.
Albus Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard of his era.
And the sudden, tragic news of his death sent shockwaves throughout Britain.
But while many mourned, others rejoiced.
With Dumbledore out of the picture, Voldemort and his Death Eaters had removed the single, largest obstacle in their rise to power.
And even though Severus Snape might have cast the final spell that killed the much beloved headmaster of Hogwarts, it was Lord Voldemort’s curse that truly murdered him.
So you might be curious… what exactly did Voldemort do to Marvolo Gaunt’s ring, in order to have such a lethal effect?
We’ll uncover that mystery, and more, in today’s video.
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I just realized that if Voldemort hadn’t been so eager to punish Lucius for his failure at retrieving the prophecy by forcing Draco to murder Dumbledore, Dumbledore would eventually have died as a result of the ring which probably would have made Voldemort the master of the Elder Wand.
I guess that was also why Dumbledore was so insistent on Snape killing him first.
voldemort was smart but too evil to do anything he really wanted. his greed for power over death and everything made him just stupid as the greed for power does to all desiring it
One often meets their destiny on their path to avoid it
The interesting is maybe Rowling was take idea for this curse from the real world. More punctually from Anthrax which is a virus what make similar effect on the skin (necrosis) if it enter your body through a wound, which is can be deadly but not as deadly as if you inhail it.
But this is just a subjective opinion.
I always viewed it in the sense that the curse had already “marked” Dumbledore for lack of a better term. Perhaps if he were to cut his hand off it may have just moved to a different part of his body. I mean, this is a really obscure and dark spell right? Besides if amputation was an option, Snape and Albus are some of the most brilliant wizards who ever lived, they’d have figured it out.
Snape killing dumbledore wouldn’t have affected the elder wand in any scenario, esp if we’re going by the last fight of Harry and Voldemort, but then again jk isn’t consistent with anything lol
I always liked that Dumbledore wanted Snape the night he put on the cursed ring. Shows how much respect he had for his abilities.
Did Voldy see Dumbledore’s cursed hand when he took the elder wand from his tomb? Did he know then that D had discovered one of his horcrux’?
I think he didn't coz he was ver happy when he took it and he even used it at the time
@@dongaming968 if this was the case, it should be written in the books.
He might have seen the hand, but he wouldn't have connected it to the ring. Both Snape & Dumbledore were putting out the story that Dumbledore had been injured in his duel with Voldemort at the Ministry. Telling people that his reflexes weren't as quick as they once were. ( See half blood prince)
If it is true that the curse on the ring was supposed to kill the person who puts it on immediately, then Voldy wouldn't think much of Dumbledore's rotten hand, since as far as he's concerned there wouldn't really be time for his hand to rot like that since he was supposed to die immediately.
@@lxena8033 Good point. They used that story as the reason why he was sick.
Tom Riddle had in his possession the resurrection stone. This means he could have called his Mom back from the dead before he ever created a horcrux and that could have saved him from the path he took. Also: dumbledore kept a close eye on Tom Riddle, it’s surprising that he never noticed the ring held the deathly hallows he was seeking.
Also: I believe Luna’s mother was trying to come up with a spell that would allow her to talk to magical críptics by transforming herself into said animal but because the spell required her to be all magical creatures instead of just one the spell was unstable and killed her, this is why Luna is so open minded because she learned it from her mother.
Dude by the time he got that ring he already had horocruxes. And he absolutely would not have even thought to bring his mom back because she absolutely disgusted him.
I remember now that the diary was his first one and in the movie he had the ring when he talked to slughorn. That was probably his second. But regardless you’re right , by the time he had made his first Horcrux, his mom couldn’t have changed him in anyway.
Pretty weird the diary is his first horcrux, as the way its created it because someone heard him opening the chamber, and he opted to kill them... I mean JKR has said that the process for creating a horcrux is extremely vile, and requires much more than just killing a person, otherwise people would be creating them accidentally when they murder people.
I think it might actually be possible that, despite what Snape thought, destroying the Horcrux after directly after the curse was placed upon Dumbledore might have helped a little bit as at that point in time during the moment the Curse needed to be strongest (while it consumed it's victim), Dumbledore destroyed 1/8 of the casters soul and even if it was dark magic, I still think that dark magic needed the casters Soul to work (as we see with Horcruxes, the darkest of spells, needing part of the "soul" to work).
This would by extension also mean that Voldemort became weaker when it comes to his magical abilities as the Series went on and especially during the last book. Even if I think that Voldemort was even with only 1/8 of his soul remaining still extremely powerful and probably way more than most Wizards
Depending on the Horcrux, it mathematically could have had as much as 1/4 of Voldemort's soul or as little as 1/64 (not counting Harry, Nagini, or the portion remaining in Voldemort; assuming it divided in half for each horcrux). The diary would have had 1/2. The second horcrux would have had 1/4, the third 1/8, the fourth 1/16, fifth 1/32, 6th 1/64, then Harry with 1/128, and Nagini and Voldemort each with 1/256 of Voldemort's soul.
Which is ironic, when you remember he's a half blood.
Full 'souled' Voldemort was probably the most powerful Wizard ever , I mean could have been if he didn't do any horcrux, since he didn't really have a connection with the horcruxes it is safe to assume that he got weaker as the less soul he had in himself
The back spot. The kraken was after him.
Humor
Then why didn't Snape give him a jar of dirt?
@@siggyunsichtbar6980 only works for Jones, not the kraken
Honestly Dumbledore could have possibly out lived the curse, but Dumbledore is a man of action and purpose. He knew his sacrifice would be a much bigger impact during the second wizarding war. IMO.
Yeah. He knew his death would become a driving force in the events that were about to unfold.
Dumbledore was dying on the astronomy tower when Snape mercy killed him
@@Mehwhatevr Good point, though you could argue that he had been dying that entire year.
More of an impact than easily being able to body Voldemort once Harry cleared all the horcruxes lol?
@@karlrovey I’m saying his death was imminent. He would have died that night. His pleading for Severus and all of the other details… that’s how I interpret that night. It was no longer a matter of when, but how much suffering
I always thought the reason behind Dumbledore putting on the ring was contrived. It doesn't really match up with his discerning character. He knew he was hunting for a horcrux and that Voldy inevitably placed a curse on each of them, it doesn't follow that he would forget that even for a second.
This is just me grasping at straws but it may have been the only way to separate the Resurrection Stone from the actual Ring itself. Horcruxes always came with a catch. The locket for example could only be retrieved if one was to drink the deadly potion and endure it all the way through.
not if your face to face with something you beileve could bring back loved ones from the dead and we know dumbledore has harberd the guilt of his sisters death ever since that duel in godrics hallow
I think he knew it but he either believed he would have had time enough or would be able to tank the curse. Or maybe he didn't even care what happened to him in the moment. With the ring a quest of nearly a century had come to an end and he wanted to see his family back so desperately, he simply couldn't resist the appeal (we also don't know if the ring, the resurrection stone doesn't have extra magical pull to those who are in desperate need of seeing their deceased loved ones. Harry had come to terms with almost every loss in his life but Dumbledore never did. And I think that's the idea here. It was too good to be true and even discerning men have their moments of weakness.
@@bronzin1445 No, you're not grasping at straws at all. This is what I thought for many years...that actually wearing the ring was a part of the process of destroying the horcrux, but it seems this is not the case. In some ways the ring was one of the easiest to dispose of (by stabbing it with the basilisk fang). Unless I'm missing something.
@@burundianfamily2982 I know, but still. I just don't buy the great Dumbledore falling for that. It does makes sense on some level... but not for Dumbledore.
What always puzzled me is why the cursed hand or his arm couldn't be amputated. If the curse was indeed confined to Dumbledore's hand, seems that should have worked.
True that's my total question it's basic magic rules it's not easy because you need to unite the curse maker and the cursed itself just like Harry Potter and Voldemort the caster should perform a unity spell so that he can get Dumbledores power but the caster did not do it because he know that Dumbledore is so powerful that the unification of power will be broken easily and the cursed will be lifted. Am just wondering who made that curse?
The plot needed him to die and jk Rowling's isn't above lazy writing look no farther than the lack of development of the 4 houses everyone good ends up in Gryffindor everyone bad in syltherine and everyone irrelevant in the other houses hagrid is a hard worker but is in Gryffindor not Hufflepuff Hermione is super intelligent and just cares about studies not looking for courageous heroics and is actually opposed in the first book but again in Gryffindor instead of raven claw despite that being a better fit the plot and writing convenience always took precedence over in world lore or rules at the detriment of the story in many situations which is fine after the success of the first book I think jk got massively rushed by the demand of the series
@@Taylor..... One only needs to look at The Cursed Child to know J. K. Rowling has no qualms about using lazy writing. Reading that “screenplay” felt like reading a bad fanfiction.
@@MrMooAndMoonSquirrelToo one slight problem jk Rowling's didn't write cursed child it it is a fanfiction it was written by 2 dudes jack and John with Rowling's half hearted approval ofc but yes it's God awful I've read it not seen the play tho
@@Taylor..... oh Lmao. My bad. I guess the cat is out of the bag. I have no idea what I’m talking about. Lol
great video, your theorys really cheer me up on a bad day!
The thing that I've never understood about the curse in Dumbledore's hand, is why he didn't chop the hand off after Snape had successfully trapped the curse there. I've always likened it to a gangrenous limb. You remove the limb so it doesn't poison the rest of the body. So why wouldn't you remove the limb the curse is trapped in to prevent the curse from poison the rest of the body?
Wizards dont know much about medicine
Plot-hole as usual with HP books
It's not a infection haha
@@sakarinieminen3205 I'm not sure it works like a flesh eating bacteria haha
The body is the soul even in Death your body is hole ... Aka people Believe that if you lose a arm in one life you won't have it in the next
I love the background ambience, it gives you such a mysterious yet exiting feeling
Yes you finally uploaded about this, i’ve been waiting forever!
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This is the best HP lore channel on UA-cam. Period.
Great vids, keep em up! Have you ever done a what if Dumbledore never put on the ring?
I have a bit of a different theory. What if it was an inverse amplification of the resurrection stone? So instead of bringing things back to life, it killed the wearer? And being that Voldemort loved pain, he made it so that way it was done slowly and painfully (should you have a way to slow it down)
Sounds like a very Voldy thing to do, but I don't think he had any idea what it really was or how it worked.
Would be really interesting BUT the Problem with that is, that Voldemort placed the spell and if he inverted the stones power, he needed to know about it in the first place, which we know he did not during that point in time.
Voldy didnt know nor care about the resurrection stone. He really only cared about the wand, which he learned about Much later.
But part of him ended up INSIDE it, magically bound to it. And we've seen that horcruxes will defend themselves viciously. That part of his soul might have learned about its magic, and used the stone to defend itself when Dumbledore tried to put it on.
That's a very good theory as well.
I think than Voldemort, the ring had to do more here. This was his first Horcrux, he obviously was not a great wizard as he was when he made his final Horcrux, plus why would he place his most powerful Horcrux in a place in the simplest of places to find. One could say that the ring worked like the diary as a killing machine. But couldn't he have done it with all seven of his Horcruxes? My theory is that the curse was strong due to the fact that it contained the resurrection stone. The stone was used to bring people back from the dead. By placing his soul in the ring he sealed his soul in a place where souls can be resurrected from. So I think this made the ring even more powerful. Plus it was created by death, so its main function is any way to kill. Voldemort just gave it an easy way to do so. I don't really think the ring could be easily destroyed by Gryffindor's sword as I think a deathly hallow is much more powerful and deadly compared to a sword made by goblins.
His first horcrux was the diary
The sword was infused with basalisk venom and venom was used to destroy the diary and could destroy the other horcruxes
Harry breaks the elder wand, the most powerful of them with his bare hands lol. Also they weren’t (probably) literally made by death. Just very powerful wizards of the past. Also yes, the ring could easily be destroyed by the sword. Also as far as I remember Voldemort didn’t know it was one of the deathly hallows and it wasn’t particularly stronger than the other ones he made, he even left it in the open basically with pretty weak protection compared to the locket.
@@NotSoSerious69420 Thats also a movie only thing, harry actually keeps the wand and uses it to repair his own. Dont think he ever opts to destroy it, cant remembre if he is even mentioned hiding it.
@@deathwrow9652 yeah he puts it back in dumbledore’s tomb after repairing his own.
I was wondering what the curse was about, amazing video as always!
This is a little off topic but, I was re reading Prisoner of Azkaban and something occurred to me. In chapter 19 when snape reveals himself in the shrieking shack, he doesn’t believe the store Sirius or lupin are telling. Since he was a double agent and one of Voldemorts closest Allies, why didn’t he know about Peter being the secret keeper. Wouldn’t he know wormtail was a spy and still alive? Maybe I’m overthinking it
He wasn't a double agent until after her death.
Maybe if snape listend to sirus and lupins story instead of there newly opend store he would have
It would be interesting to have a video about how new spells are made.
Can you make this video: "How did the Death Eaters react to the events in Godrics Hollow"?
Do you mean on christmas in DH? If so, I'm not even sure they'd know. Only Nagini was there
@@limiv5272 No, but in 1981.
@@paulyb7267 Oh. Well we know how the Lestranges and Crouch Jr reacted - by torturing the Longbottoms in the hopes of finding out where Voldemort is. Not sure if there's info on anyone else.
Great video as always!
I’d love to see your take on “What if Harry asked Cho to the Yule Ball first?” and if their relationship began then, if Cedric would be jealous and not tell Harry the egg hint, and whether the relationship could have lasted long given the events of Order of the Phoenix with Marietta ratting out the DA, or if Harry would still develop feelings for Ginny if he was still with Cho in his sixth year.
Good idea and maybe both Cho and Harry ended up together?
I have a possible theory of what curse it was that Voldemort put on the Slytherin ring with Resurrection Stone. I could be very dead wrong (no pun intended) but maybe the curse was turning Dumbledore into an inferi. Voldemort was such an expert in making them. He made tons in the cave where Dumbledore and Harry found the fake Slytherin locket. I wonder if he place a curse on the ring that had the Deathly Hallow stone that brought back the dead and defiled it by turning anyone who wore the ring into an inferi. It indeed would have been a fate worse than death itself. And if that were the case then it makes sense why Dumbledore wanted Snape to end his life before the transformation would become complete. 💍💀
My own personal theory in the matter of spellcraft roots it’s way into other fantasy type shows movies or novel series that involve similar means.
In laments terms, imagination. Your innate magical affinity while mentally envisioning what you desire and pairing both that creates the desired outcome. However this is dangerous, as your imagination has no limits beyond what yourself can imagine but if you put too much magical power behind it, it will overwhelm you and very well could be deadly. It’s all in the matter of willpower.
If your mind is strong enough and well practiced enough in the basic arts and already having a pre-existing high affinity for magic. Spellcrafting can be something that comes naturally but it still requires you to work out this new spell and thoroughly document how it’s procedure is meant to be executed so it doesn’t backfire.
This all a shot in the dark and I could be way off but it’s my own personal theory on the matter and one that’s always stuck with me in whatever I’ve explored, how little of the actual process of creation of such things is explained or documented if at all. I know it takes the the more mystical aspects but I find it also enriches it just as much.
it's nice the chanel achknowledges the events of hogwarts mystery game as it does introduce intresting charecters and includedds elements that are nice to see in the series including spell creation. Through the creation of spells like flipendo maxima are likely easy level spells to create relitive to the overall difficulty of the process, as it's at the end of the day a buff to the existing spells power.
The best thing would be a Harry Potter theories discussion colab between you and the @supercarlinbrothers xD the community would be incredibly happy.
Can you make the video about the detailed theories on the elements of the deathly hallows?
Wow, this video is one your best!
I always wonderd why Dumbledore couldn't cut his hand off with the gryfonder sword in order to stop the curse from spreading
Like what's up with fantasy series and cursed rings?
Lotr: Sauron's ring and the 16 rings (excluding the 3 rings elven rings because they were made to do good)
Hp: Voldy Moldy's horcux
(OK, Ik it's 2 but STILL!!!!!!)
While you are noting similarities don't forget that Sauron's Ruling Ring was also basically his horcrux.
Video idea for you to do:
What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
There are two uses of the patronus charm mentioned in the books and both are depicted in the movies
If Snape was able to restrict the curse to Dumbledores hand, I wonder if he would have been able to survive if they just removed his hand. Wormtail got a new hand pretty easily. Did Dumbledore have to die?
Good question
I tought that the curse was in the blood but I don't know what made me think that, I can't remember it it was mentioned specifically in books or not.
I think magic infections don't work the same way regular infections do.. I think it would simply go to his other hand or worse. Furthermore, Dumbledore is a genius, Snape is another one, and one of if not the most Gifted Potions master, which means he was kinda of a good healer aswell. If cutting Dumbledore's hand off could save him, he would've done that. Remember Snape would do anything not to go through with Dumbledore plan.
@@lucasferreira2073 I think Dumbledore knew he had to die for Harry to “master death”. Harry had to be alone and he had to except and let himself get killed by Voldemort to kill the Horcrux within him. I’ve always thought Dumbledore could have done something to save himself from that curse. He just let himself die “for the greater good”.
@@robertmartin4449 It could be, but it still seems too simple to get rid of a Curse of that level that easily... Specially one made by the Dark Lord himself... I would say that he did let himself die, but it wouldn't make a difference if he didn't because the curse was already a death sentence... It would only prolong the inevitable.
Dementor creation. Had Albus been killed by the curse, either quickly or slowly, he would have become a Dementor.
Explain more please
I only really felt sad the first time I saw Dumbledore die, but that was it
Maybe Dumbledore should have went to the muggle doctors to have the hand removed.😄
I have though about this I think Snape knew what dumbeldor was up too after this he would have put 2 and 2 together and knew that it was a horcrucks. He must have known by then
Keep it up bro 😎
I find it silly that Dumbledore simply forgot the dangers of putting the ring on in that moment. Like he spent ages searching for the thing and didn't hesitate to put it on. Did he even need to put it on? He could've picked it up on the sides and if he didn't have the Sword of Gryffindor with him put the ring in some sort of box and apparate back to Hogwarts.
I think he did it impulsively because he wanted to talk to Ariana
@@illumi9044 Yeah I know. Just feels a bit silly. There's not many things in life that you just do instinctively like fight or flight or hugging someone you've missed.
I need a time turner to go back and find this channel when it first aired
I always thought that it was the Horocrux itself that caused the damage to Dumbledore's hand. Like a side effect from touching it, I didn't realize that it would've killed him until the last movie.
I wonder what would of happened too Tom had he actually been the DADA teacher..? 🤷🏽♂️
I think he'd be a mix of snape and moody
Okay but what if you just chopped Dumbledore's cursed arm, where the "curse was contained" already with the help of Snape? It was basically like a disease spreading from his finger. Good ol amputation, before you resign completely?
It was bittersweet Dumbledore had to die it was the only answer in the end life death it’s a lesson to learned about
i like the theory that pandora lovegood was a wolf maledictus and she died trying to find a cure for her and luna 🥲
Can you please do a video explaining why everyone was afraid to say Vs name at the beginning of the series?
probably just a superstition like Candy Man or Bloody Mary.
My mind would go straight to “this will confine the curse to your hand for now.”
Diffindo. Slice. Bye bye hand.
Exceptionally interesting topic, had to return for the comments too.
I be Believe that Luna is an animagus with that she turns into a wolf and her mum was the one trying to break the animagus curse and it backfired idk
I think you mean maledictus (like Nagini), not animagus (like the Marauders).
@@tektrixter that’s the one thank you bro
@@tektrixter I got them mixed round been watching to many theories recently haha
This made me have a question about gryffindor’s sword. Since it was imbibed with basilisk venom, would a simple cut from the sword kill you?
Good question 🤔
Most likely. In the case of the sword, chamber of secrets was both a blessing and a curse. The Basilisk venom essentially strengthened the sword 10 fold, hence why it can easily destroy horcruxes though, you’ll likely die a slow and painful death should it cut you
Possibly but when the basalisk bit Harry he didn't die on the spot so if the sword did cut you you could possibly get cured before you die
Yes. Thats the reason it is capable of destroying horcruxes at all.
How much time elapsed between then and when Voldemort was defeated?
The elder wand causes the curse on the wielder as it has a thestral feather core and they are linked with death closely
Why didn't Snape & Dumbledore just cut off the hand that had the curse once they slowed the curse's spread?
Agreed, and then used magic to create a hand like Voldemort did with Womrtail like these smart people didn't think of that? There's no way. I think it was for plots sake that he died. But realistically, I believe Snape would have amputated the hand, and then Dumbledore would have magicked back a hand.
I think that the curse would have likely remained on his body regardless
Why is the comments section switched off on your latest video about Harry and Hermione? It was a good video!
Where did Dumbledore find the Gaunt Family Ring and what where the Gaunts doing with the Resurrection Stone?
An Inferius was a dead body, reanimated by a Dark Wizard's curse. Dark lord used them before so we can asume he will do that again. On the ring he used custom spell that turns someone into inferius. Dumbledores hand seemed dead to Harry. Voldemort wanted victim to die slowly so he can examine it before it dies and to get knowledge how someone discovered horcrux - so he used terrifying potion in cave. No instant death but making someone vulnerable and weak. Same with the marvolos ring - slow death probably turning into inferius. Dumbledore knew that he have to be killed before he turn into inferius bcouse maybe Voldemort can control inferiuses and maybe Dumbledores body could become powerfull weapon if Voldemort could controll him. Dumbledore wouldnt be dead neither alive so magical abilities could remain untouched in his body.
i think if their was a chance to stop the curse dumbledore would have to sever his own hand or arm with the only weapon designed to kill horcruxes that being the sword of godric gryyfindor but dumbledore being as smart and clever as he is decided to make his on death a oppurtunity
Why not cut off the hand and create a new one like Voldemort gave to Wormtail.
Because it wouldn’t have mattered. Dumbledore’s death was inevitable regardless if he was cured or not. If the curse didn’t kill him, then it would have been Snape on the behest of Dumbledore.
At best, it may have bought him a few more hours.
@@bronzin1445 not really Dumbledore was thinking about what to do about Draco and Voldemorts plan to kill.
The curse simply made it easier for Dumbledore to make a plan based on the opportunities and circumstances, because the curse he was going to die anyway so why not use his dead to resolve 3 problems.
1. Dracos mission
2. Making Snape more trustworthy in the eyes of voldemort.
3. Having someone in charge of Hogwarts that could keep the place somewhat safe,if anything happened to him.
I think Dumbledore could have been saved using Fauxes tears and the elder wand in Snapes hands, or Harry’s hand if he actually studied and became a powerful wizard as everyone expected him to!
What if the curse was cast with parsletongue, and the counter curse would be in parsletongue (idk how to spell) too possibly
I wonder if he felt anything when they were destroyed. Like if what little the bit of soul he had left felt it when the other parts were destroyed.
Huh interesting. I also always assumed that Voldemort created slow killing curse, but now you've pointed it out it makes little to no sense, since Voldemort wanted whoever messed up with his Horcrux dead as soon as that person lays hands on it.
The curse on Voldy's ring is called Cullivectus, or the "Cootie" curse.
Small correction: Tom Riddle was not born out of wedlock. When someone is born out of wedlock it means that the parents weren't married when the child was born. However Tom Riddle Sr did marry Merope Gaunt when he was in the influence of the love potion she gave him. No marridge has ever raised mor eyebrowns.
dumbledore chose to keep all information about voldemort's horcruxes but i wonder if snapes knew the truth would he have been able to truly find out the curse and stop it. snape did create septum semtra curse that can cut a person to death
This curse might be a variant of a dragon hoard curse. People who see a dragon hoard might become so overwhelmed with desire for wealth that they disregard any common sense or warnings. Similarly, people in the presence of the resurrection stone might be so overwhelmed with desire to see a loved one that they forget what they are dealing with.
It's awfully lucky Voldemort didn't think to put that exact same curse on any of the other horcruxes, all the protagonists would have died if he had.
What if Dumbledore amputated his injured hand? Would that have stopped the curse from spreading?
The curse on Marvolo Gaunt’s ring might not have an official name, but its deadly effects on Dumbledore are well-known. Even if Snape didn’t kill Dumbledore, the curse would’ve eventually killed him anyway.
It should also be mention that the curse obviously could not be undone by pheonix tears or else Dumbledore would've lived.
Why wouldn't you cut off his hand (thus stopping the progress of the curse) and then have Fawkes cry on the stump?
@@toddcommish704 Yeah kinda a plothole but... it magic.
Gandalf is superior to Dumbledore. With all due respect to the headmaster.
@gizmo6485 Gandalf is actually an angel, Dumbledore is a human
I see no reason to think that the curse on the ring was handmade by Voldy. It could simply have been a rare, little-known curse that he found in some moldy old book. Further, we don't really know what it would do in the short term because we only see it in action AFTER Dumby returns to Hogwarts, which means he had already slowed it's spread and effects. What I'm curious about is what the "golden potion" that Snape pours down Dumby's throat is. The only golden potion we know of is Felix, but that's clearly not the potion used here.
I would have added a clear understand of what your spell does should be a requirement to cast the spell for beginners. if i remember correctly they did talk about the structure of a spell. speech and all.
I looked this curse up and while it was never given a name in Canon, based on the black, withering effect, I suppose you COULD call it the necrosis curse. There's a snake in Australia called the King Brown. It kind of acts the same way this curse seemed to in that it's venom doesn't kill you quickly. In fact, it's necrotic, causing your skin to blacken and wither. Oftentimes even amputation isn't enough to stop the spread. As for could he have survived till Riddle died, doesn't matter. He'd have gotten much weaker and been in so much pain he couldn't have fought and a death eater would have just walked up to him and killed him.
A fitting curse for someone snake-like... :)
I always wondered if sectum sempta...cutting of the hand of dumbledore would be effective in stopping the spreading of the curse .
Why only containing to the hand if you can cut off that hand?.
Who knows why Snape did not act like this?
And why should the curse kill?
A horcrux needed a body to be living again...Maybe the curse was made that the piece of soul could take over the perons body wearing the ring and only killing the soul of that person. That would be the thinking of Voldemort. Like the diary tried to take over all the life of Ginny.
i think if their was a chance to stop the curse dumbledore would have to sever his own hand or arm with the only weapon designed to kill horcruxes that being the sword of godric gryyfindor but dumbledore being as smart and clever as he is decided to make his on death a oppurtunity
@@burundianfamily2982 The sword would have killed Dumbledore even faster. It was impregnated with basilisk venom.
@@karlrovey it only takes on to what makes it stronger..ahh i forgot about that
Hmm... If it got into his hand and it went bad, probably should lop it off at the wrist.
I guess that wouldn't stop it, it'd probably come back big time.
Le gasp! It has just hit me that at some point Dumbledore would have obtained all 3 deathly Hallows
We’ll probably Severus should have cut Dumbledore’s hand and break the connection between the curse flowing from his hand to the rest body. What do you say on this @hptheory ?
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I'm inclined to think that the curse on Dumbledore's hand was a sort of magical form of gangrene. The flesh becomes necrotic, dies, and the results can not be reversed. It can be slowed, even stopped, but the damage can not be reversed. The cure was in the action Dumbledore took to destroy the ring. If he wanted to live he needed to hack off his hand. But why save himself when he could martyr himself and frame it as saving Draco?
Just an idea: Dumbledore's hand was black, and dead where the course entered inside him. Maybe Voldemort wanted the victim to die, but from one step to another and he created a course to do this - it's a more phisical concept. And "death" just spread inside him from one organ to another, from the most unimportant parts of his inside to the vital ones, and made to stop functioning everything, slowly killed everything, step by step. 😢💙
The curse of someone stealing the toilet paper.
Don't forget, Tom Riddle made the ring a horcrux. As a housing for a piece of his soul, the ring already carries powerful dark magic.
I would say the curse is actually very simple in its action. I think it simply makes flesh and organs go through necrosis. Or whatever the science word is for cells being killed off. That would explain why dumbledore’s hand turned black. All the flesh had died.
Is there a chance since voldermort curse killed/murdered dumbledore could he of used that to create another horcrux to come back?
Fantastic beasts made me forget we were watching a dead guy...
I have a question about Sirius, what happened to Sirius' wand when he was sent to Azkaban? And how did he get it back after he escaped? I don't think Sirius would go to olivanders to get a new wand because he's wanted, I don't think Sirius could use an old wand that was at grimauldplace because the wand chooses the wizard or else he's forcing a wand to be his
Not just sirius. There were a number of death eaters sittinf in Azkaban before the breakout. Lucius and Bella for a quick example
Plot holes, unless they’re explained of course.
@@sakarinieminen3205oh yes of course I forgot about those
I don’t think most readers care to notice Snape’s slogan right at the very beginning when he states “I can tell you how to bottle fame, brew glory, and even put a stopper in death"
And he actually did what he said. Dumbledore is powerful but Snape’s also outstanding.
So your telling me it took alot of snapes knowledge and power to......put a stopper in death?
in my opinion the curse was a deux ex machina to take albus out of the plot, albus was an amazing wizard he surely would had know the object was cursed, there is no way he didnt study the object first and with the elder wand destroy the curse but he didn´t
If Dumbledore hadn't let himself be killed when he did, Snape may have never been able to play his part to the end. So even if he could hold off the curse, he knew that having Snape kill him right there would be the only way to truly solidify his position at Voldemort's side, this is hinted at very well in the book imo.
Voldemort wasn't born out of wedlock, he just conceived under the influence of love potion.
..is _that_ why Luna can see thestrals?
I think he tried putting it one in a way for immortality, just my thought don't really have any evidence for it other than he's lust for power
How do you know the details of Pandora's death? I've never seen that.
It was mentioned in one of the books when Harry saw the ghost horses for the first time since he had witnessed a death and Luna witnessed her mother's death
How do you know was Voldemort made up this curse on the ring & not same other witch or wizard come up with this curse?
Because Morphine was wearing the ring when Voldemort visited him, and Voldemort himself wore it for a short time before he turned it into a horcrux. Harry saw this in Slughorn's memory. If it had already been cursed, no one would have been wearing it.
Also, Marvolo (Voldemort's grandfather) never took it off, and wore it all the time. ( See the half blood prince book)
straight up thought the thumbnail was Gandalf
Personally, I think the curse on the ring should have been a slower death, stealing the life-force from the wearer, until Voldemort was back to full strength; like the Diary almost did to Ginny. The shade of Voldemort would slowly begin to appear to the wearer, until Voldemort was alive, and in a body, and the cursed wearer of the ring, a pale, lifeless husk.
I thought that too. The curse should have weakened him over the year. During one of the lessons would have been nice add if Dumbledore had symptoms of the curse, but downplayed them.
Sauron?
"The power of resurrection works outwardly - not inwardly. There is no convergence for anyone's soul. The curse of death is to place faith in the impossible."
I would love to see one where dumbledor didn't die and had to tell harry he was a horcrux and had to die as I'm sure harry would have been sad to see a father figure lie to him and would want
eed him to die from the beginning
Dumbledore before he died when snape cast killing curse it didn’t kill dumbledore but the fall from highest tower in hogwarts did