History of the UNSPEAKABLES and Department of Mysteries - Harry Potter Explained
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2022
- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today, we’re going to be unpacking one of the more mysterious aspects of Harry Potter- the department of mysteries. Honing in further, we’re going to be taking a look at the peculiar workers of this department- Ministry employees known as The Unspeakables. We’ll also be looking at, later in the video, all of the rooms / chambers that reside inside the Department of Mysteries.
The ministry of magic is the primary form of government in the magical world - at least in the UK. Like a muggle government, the ministry’s responsibilities are vast, as they are the primary body that attempts to sustain law and order in the magical world. Like any system of government, in an effort to cover as much ground as possible, the primary governmental body is systematically divided to focus on different sectors of the wizarding world.
These ‘sectors’ or ‘departments’ cover the more common areas like the Department of Magical Law Enforcement and the Department of Magical Transportation, but there are also OTHER departments reserved for less..obvious pursuits. Queue level 9 and the Department of Mysteries.
The department of mysteries is responsible for studying the mysteries of the wizarding world, mysteries associated with love, space, thought, time, death, and other things. Basically anything that is unknown. Anything pertaining to this department is highly confidential, and those who work in this department are referred to as ‘unspeakables’. The divisions of this department are broken up by area of study, and includes the following: The brain room, the hall of prophecy, the death chamber, the love chamber, the space chamber and the time room. These rooms are accessed via the ‘room of doors’ - a large circular room where everything is black.
What’s particularly curious or dare I say..Mysterious about the Department of Mysteries is that it actually preceded the existence of the Ministry itself. The Ministry was established in 1707 and the Department of Mysteries had activity as early as 1672. The name checks out.
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How old is Dumbledore?Or the average age span of wizards abd witches
One for the season: Gary Oldman's other most famous role was Dracula; was Sirius Black a vampire or at some point supposed to be a vampire but it was cut? The avada kedavra that hit Sirius seemed to have a more stun like effect than it did with others? Was this because he was originally supposed to be a vampire? Does avada kedavra kill vampires? Did avada kedavra kill Sirius or did falling into the veil kill him?
Video idea: What if Hermione was sent to Azkaban?
Who would have put the prophecies there in the first place?
could you PLEAS explain the pensive
Iirc, the veil is rumored to be even older than even the department of mysterious, with many asserting that the department was actually built AROUND the veil itself.
Yeah that was the implication in the books.
It is also suggested the rest of the ministry was built on top of the department of mysteries.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman oof
I love the wizarding world, so interesting
That would be correct, as I know where JKR obtained the idea. It was the Romans that would have either constructed it, or brought it to the outskirts of Londinium. The gates are called Plutonian Gates or Pluto's Gates; the Devil's Gate. Pluto is the god of the underworld and wealth to the Romans.
As a bit of trivia, this is about the Peverells. JKR created that family from a real Norman man named William Peverel, spelled with one L. William was given over 150 manors across England by William the Conqueror, and was known as a castle builder. William built Peverel Castle, and under the castle is a cavern, which many call the Devil's Arse.
The Gates were built, by the Romans, where poisonous gas was admitted by the earth. They would lead sacrifices to the gate, with a rope, and push them through, where the gas on the other side would kill the animal inside an enclosed space. Their claim was that it was the underworld, and that Death had killed the beast.
I like how Hogwarts Legacy has a character who is an elderly professor who was once an Unspeakable. Quests as well as dialogue options hint that she should be in her thirties at least, but something in her old profession aged her rapidly to her dismay. This could be interpreted as her handling something that warps time somehow, but ultimately backfiring at her.
Would that be the DADA teacher who starts the dueling club with Sebastian?
@@chriscormac231 yep. That's her.
Indeed, it's Professor Hecat we're talking about
i believe she said she was attacked by time. or something like that. and that her and professor black were students at the same time
I dont like it as much, the concept of unspeakables being able to ever leave seems strange to me
Honestly sounds like one of the most interesting Wizarding World jobs.
Researching and pushing the boundary's of magic.
It'd be the X-Files of Harry Potter. lol
SCP Foundation breaking down your door
I have often wondered if a horcrux was tossed through the veil if it would have taken care of voldemorts soul fragment inside. That’s be cool and very interesting and opens a plethora of questions lol
Interesting idea! I'll explore this a little more..
well if the details are correct then it says the person becomes trapped in the world of the dead not that they themselves die which could very well be the case but it doesnt kill them then Voldemort could essentially bi immortal as they would never be able to get to that piece of soul to destroy it
@@Ojamamon67 most definitely worth a deep dive!
@@Ojamamon67 also I was having another look at the storyline when Harry describes to Dumbledore what happened when he first dueled Voldemort and the priori encantatum (apologies if I misspelled that) activated…. Dumbledore a expression seemed like that of familiarity and understanding and I’m wondering if he has experienced it first hand and if so if it happened during his duel against Grindelwald. If thats the case and Gellert was already in possession of and in fact using the Elderwand… Dumbledore’s original wand and the ElderWand are TWINS…
@@Ojamamon67 I understand it to be the complete opposite.
Sirius didn’t technically get “unalived” he got pushed from the land of the living to the land of the dead, meaning he’s dead. He’s described as being dead, if he wasn’t the resurrection stone wouldn’t bring him back if he was just ‘trapped’ and not dead. So if a horcrux was put in there, that part of Voldys soul would be dead
We were robbed of these rooms in the movie, all we got was prophecy room and death arch room
They didn't even explain what the big deal was with the department of mysteries. All we got was that it seemed like a shady and dark part of the ministry of magic, without really knowing what the whole purpose was.
It makes sense to me that they wouldn’t have used the fidelius charm because what if some giant tragedy happened where the entire department was killed. Then everything protected by the fidelius would be lost forever
One problem with the Fidelius Charm is when the Secret Keeper dies then everyone to whom the Secret Keeper revealed the secret, becomes multiple Secret Keepers watering down the security. Perhaps using the Unbreakable Vow upon joining the department might be a bit more secure? Love all of your videos!
Good point. I wonder if the fidelius only covers places or spaces. Rowling leaves us with so little to go on, but plenty of room to speculate.
Presumably they would make reports to someone somewhere in the ministry, eg the minister of magic, otherwise there's not much point in them even existing as a department, they're just studying mysteries for the sake of it, and keeping what they've learned to themselves until the day they die, which would be rather pointless as a department of government.
So the fidelius charm would be fine, as long as the ONLY person they tell is the current MoM, since if the unspeakable dies, then that doesn't dilute it, as the MoM is one person.
But that still is rather pointless, what if they make a discovery that would be very beneficial for wizarding society to know about?
You couldn't implement it.
I was going to say. It would be much easier to just make sure new employees take the Unbreakable Vow upon employment. They could essentially just use it as a non-disclosure agreement. Just make them swear to never disclose any information tied to the department of mysteries.
@@GamesCooky but they could still give the information up, they would just die. But if one of them got convinced by someone to die for a cause, they could leak info. And the person who heard it could just tell everyone, because they didn’t make an umbrellabird vow. So the only thing it would take to compromise the security is 1 employee who is willing to die for a cause
@@jaccokoet3888 Fair point.The ministry does have ways of detecting magic usage by underage wizards.
So surely they must have some way of tracking when important information has been leaked, similar to how they track unlawful magic usage.
Idk. It's magic. The sky is the limit as to what is possible. I'm sure there is some explanation.
The brains could come both from muggles and extraordinary wizards.
Maybe they are subjected to many experimental charms that make them angry/aggressive for some reason.
Poor Ron, he got a permanent scar from those angry brains. Lol.
Programming brains to create fear-based people, which leads to control, can be so filled with fear and anger that any projections into the self or towards other people can leave damaging effects.
@@tytoalba6573 imagine, they are harvesting mind controlled brains and implanting them into people magically... Like there's an experimental spell wing in the ministry of magic... so no idea is too wild .
I would love to see a harry Potter equivalent of an X Files series
Harry Potter the Aurror files.
Yes !! WB Make it happen !
In Prisoner of Azkaban, a patron of The Leaky Cauldron is reading Stephen Hawking’s book A Brief History of Time. Where’s a video about how the magical world looked at muggles?! Aurtur’s department at ministry!!!!
Or a off shoot book/movie series on the department Arthur works for.
That was Ian Brown of The Stone Roses, just FYI 🙂
I've always been fascinated by the harsher aspect of fantasy or sci fi world in opposition to the positive. Aurors being the FBI of the wizard world I always wondered what a special forces type unit or ministry assassins would be like who handled the dirtier aspects of wizarding world. The unspeakables felt more like researchers than combatents.
Have you played Control?
Just imagine of how much a wizard with proper military training and equipment would be capable of.
I've always seen the Unspeakables more of a CIA / DARPA division (instead of the SEALS), but I wholly agree
Ok this guy definitely has a time turner to make videos so fast
The fact that the love room is always locked but the time room isn’t speak volumes
Honestly it speaks to the foolishness of the Wizarding world. You care less about people manipulating the very fabric of reality than you do about people manipulating petty emotions. No wonder cursed child ended up being a mess.
They just don't want to share their Viagra
Probably because they're aware Time is, ironically, destined to be meddled with, and intervening to prevent the meddling is a bigger distortion to reality.
That's why there's far more security around the Prophecies, as they're only a problem when people who they're relevant to make contact with them. Though they know enough not to bother intervening when someone is determined enough to find a Prophecy about themselves, as chances are they either already know it or they are destined to find out.
Causality is a bitch and Entropy is a vindictive bastard. Fighting Fate is pointless, the best thing you can do is obscure it.
@@Gr3nadgr3gorycurses child ain't Rowling's work tho, just a bad , childish fanfiction
@@RabiyaRavenclaw that Rowling against her better judgment seems to have canonized.
When I saw the black and white photo I knew exactly where it was taken, as I live a couple miles away from it. Titchfield Abbey, that's what's left after the abbey was converted into a Tudor mansion. A nice ruin to go looking around.
I’m starting to have my own theory about the fidelias charm. It seems like it might be either taboo, hard to perform, or a mix of the two because it can explain away so much stuff in Harry Potter and fix so many issues that it is puzzling that it was not done.
I think that is a good possibility.
If it was that hard they could have gotten Dumbledore or Flitwick to do it and if it was taboo then how did harry's parents do it.
@@weicao1547 Harry and James did it because it was an extreme circumstance, taboos are just things that societally people don’t do, nit things that are impossible
CAN YOU PLEASE DO AN EPISODE ON THE UNDETECTABLE EXTENSION CHARM???
It is rare when you can give me new information about the wizarding world. As a fan of the much read books first, and love of the many times watched movies. I keep up with the WW through you. Great channel, Love your voice, and absolutely appreciate that you keep yourself and your friend hidden from us, aka, no picture in picture to distract from your hard work. Great video today!
I am curious. Were there any of the bloodlines of the original founders of Hogwarts that were at HOGWARTS during or after Harry Potter?
Excellent question i never even considered this
Harry is a descendent of Gryffindor
My question is is how do they record the prophecy so they just appears a sphere on the Shelf by Magic?
LOL! Magic of course!!! 😂😂😂
In the case of Harry's prophecy, Trelawny doesn't know/remember ever giving it. That leads me to believe that a witness to the prophecy in its entirety (Dumbledore) may have to pull their memory (similar to using a pensieve) in order to have it recorded onto the crystal ball!
@@asthenolith that is a solid possibility. Although that isn't necessarily the right explanation for Trelawney not remembering giving the prophecy. After all, she did give a prophecy to Harry during his final exam about Voldemort's servant escaping and she had no clue anything had even happened. It's likely that her Seer gift simply manifests outside of her conscious state so her brain is literally unable to form an accessible memory of the event. As to the prophecy being recorded in the sphere, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of ancient magic at work in the Hall of Prophecy that automatically created a sphere when a prophecy is delivered.
@@MikeDCWeld that would make a ton of sense, I kind of was thinking something similar while reading the beginning of your reply to me but I couldn't put it into words! You explained it perfectly for me!!
maybe some form of pensive magic but the liquid is encased in a sphere instead.
We do know a little bit about how becoming an unspeakable works. In the mobile game Wizards Unite, there was an unspeakable Grim Fawley. Before joining them, he worked as an investigator for the auror office. He was a very skilled wizard, so that's likely one of the reasons he was accepted
Another great video I always wake up to your videos and they are always chefs kiss
Thank-you!
@@HarryPotterTheory no problems mate any time you are really one of the best Harry Potter channels out there you are so down to earth and absolutely real I hope one day that I get to meet you in person
So you say it is said that if you pass through the veil as the living you will be stuck in the land of the dead. What if ghosts are just dead people who came through the veil the opposite way and now are stuck in the land of the living.
Man u are good I'm 53 yrs old and truly enjoy your channel keep doing what your doing
The department of mysteries is a mystery itself!!
love your content, much love
The veil is the greatest mystery of them all. It seems so ancient, like if it is what the whole department, and later, the whole Ministry is built around! So what is it's origin? It could be thousands of years old.
Excellent analysis!
AWESOME VIDEO! You should do every main Harry Potter character in explained
Most awesome vid!!!!!!
Narrator: Come to think of it, Snape would have made a perfect Unspeakable
Me: Obviously!!
A Very Good Video 👍🏻
I'm really glad you came out with this video~ I actually do have a question. Since it's been brought up about time and space experiments, would anything about studying dimensions fall into those categories? Would magic in this world involve proving the existence of different dimensions that is? I'm genuinely curious.
I think that might be a good explanation for how they can have buildings that are bigger on the inside than they are outside. Pocket dimensions made by magic
Great video
Video idea for you to do:
What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
Even though it would be very logical to further secure the department with Fidelius Charm or Unbreakable Vows, this would limit the protagonists' access to it, hence us readers wouldn't know about it. Which makes me wonder: Could there be *other* departments, rooms or people that are kept secret in such a way?
Also the lack of security in such a department turned out pretty convenient for Rowling, since it allowed her to put all the Time Turners in one room and destroy them, making her job way easier down the line. lol
I like to imagine tens and hundreds of top secret dept of mysteries facilities across the country, with the department pretty much administratively detached from the ministry and instead working hand-in-hand with equivalent organizations across the globe... you really need a HUGE amount of resources for research and security to be able to study these ungodly powerful magical things. The ability to time travel, if misused, can lead to catastrophes regarding reality itself; and sacrificial love was the key component of a protective charm that nullify ANY harm taken by hundreds of students in the final Hogwarts battle. No world ruler, tyrants, magical terrorists, in their right mind would hesitate to weaponize these magics. Being tied down to the ministry won't do any good in protecting the knowledge the dept of mysteries gained over the years.
I'm not sure if Fidelius charm is the best idea, as when the secret keeper dies, anyone else they told about the place becomes a secret keeper. Seems risky to me. Unbreakable vow actually seems like a better idea to me
i think keeping prophecies out of the people involved makes so much sense. people are going to be obsessed with what will happen in the future they forget to live the present, as prophecies don't give you the whole truth.
Fascinating, so much excitement
This video will help with my fan fiction writing. Thanks
More like R&D in ministry of magic... Would love to work there
I recently completed Lego Harry Potter and am currently finding all the characters
I completed the game about 2 years ago, after 3 years and an half since i bought it, anyway it's such a good game!
The Vail is a pathway to Narnia!
Thanks so much
Cool theory bro
6:19 I bet it had a do not disturb sign posted on the door as well
So good and all, but this raises the question: Arthur Weasley, someone with no possible intentions in the department of mysteries, was in the prophercy hall. Why would they allow him to enter if everything is THAT secretive? Sure, he is a employee at the ministry, but only at the department of misuse of muggle artifacts.
I kinda love that the Brain Room is a very literal, on the nose reference to solipsism i.e. the “brain in a vat” idea.
I have a thought. What if someone who worked specifically in the chamber of love learned a spell of protection that is activated and passed onto someone else and used that on Lily Potter when they found out Voldemort was going after Harry Potter to ensure he was protected enough to help defeat Voldemort, which is why he had to live with the Dursleys. The love spell only works in the same area as the blood of the original target (Lily).
Professor Hecat was assigned to the Time Department. Her story is pretty sad as a Unspeakable. But I think I understood.
8:46 Got an ad after that. Nice.
When we look upon death and darkness. It is the unknown we fear. Nothing more! But there is more, much more. Fates worse than death and nice things, beautiful things too.
Taking the arch into consideration and the themes of the book about death being transformative rather than the end, both suggest that the killing curse is actually doing something quite different. Rather than an assault on the body, it is likely that it is transforming the soul. This may be the reason there have been no successful counter curses devised as the opporation of the spell is widely misunderstood.
The power of luck seems as potent as the power of love in HP
From the books to the movies and everything else muggles have always shown to have far superior intellect when compared to witches and wizards.
Professor Hecat was an unspeakable, id like to know more her backstory. Legacy really expounded the lore of hp. Going back to Hecat, cant help but notice her name, like Hecate, the Greek goddes of magic and crossroads. The crossroads between forbidden magic that might caused her aging?
Studying love in the love room, oh my.
What id like to know is what actually killed Sirious, the curse, or the veil.
In Hogwarts Legacy your Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher is a former Unspeakable who says that she was struck by Time itself, which aged her up by several decades.
Goblins, veelas, giants, and humans can all interbreed with wizards. Does that mean they're all subspecies of one family? Similar to horses, donkeys, and zebras being able to interbreed.
Department of Magical Transportation or
DMT
Oh yeah, it's all coming together now..
Secure. Contain. Protect.
Some food for thought:
Do you think the Unspeakables are also trying to unravel the mystery of travelling to other universes?
Do you think some Seers have worked as Unspeakables since the Department of Mysteries safeguards recorded prophecies?
Now Prof.Hecat can be added to the list of members.
What happens if the secret keeper of a Fidelius charm dies? Wouldn't it be much easier to ensure the secrecy by having each unpeakable perform an unbreakable vow? Much easier to manage.
As for why the prophecies are kept hidden, even from the ones about whom the prophecy is made, I believe this is to prevent self-fulfilling prophecies. Remember, the events in the Harry Potter books only happened because Voldemort heard about the prophecy (even though it's partial). What would have happened if Voldemort had never heard about it?
Guess you could call that a think tank!
Do anyone know that the Unspeakables are mentioned in which part of the series? I just forgot this part
dude loves his Fedelis charms
Despite their independence, Voldemort forced them to print lies about Muggle-borns.
i can see why the hall of prophecy has them kind of defensive on the prophecies. look at Delphi from the cursed child. she more than likely would love to get her hands on Voldemort's and Harry's prophecy so her dad would know if i attack harry again i could be screwed. so those defensives would be there to prevent them kinds of nuts
Would the fidelius charms secret keeper not have way too much power to have the department to himself if he felt like it
i personally enjoy the theory that much like cyber security based jobs, you get a job in the department of mysteries by being able to sneak in and out successfully
They don't use the fidelius charm simply because apparently there's a way around it that the unspeakables have access to. That or they are indeed charmed and they simply cannot speak of their job at all outside of conversations with other unspeakables hence the name.
also something to point out, while Sirius did die in the death room and fell into the veil and beyond. In the movie at least, can't speak for the book as i don't remember but its bellatrix who kills Sirius by hitting him with an avada cadavera killing curse. It's then Sirius stumbles back into the veil and is taken into it. One would think even Sirius couldn't just tank a killing curse while distracted lol
This is the career I would aim for wizard CIA.
As far as thhe fidelis charm goes, it bas a glaring weakness, one that is exploited the very first time we hear about it, in that it's only as secure as the secret keeper. One unspeakable goess rogue, and suddenly, whatever secrets they had are in the hands of your enemies. Tbh its the silliest spell in the entire series, it would be more effective to just hide and tell no-one where you were, cant give up information you dont have. I'd suggest the unbreakable oath as a far better method of keeping state secrets, especially as you could simply have a catch all oath for all information.
What is the song in the background?
I've always wondered, does the Ministry of Magic call itself a "Ministry" in order to intentionally set itself under the government of Britain in a legal sense? We know that the Minister of Magic does talk to the Prime Minister of the UK, and in the UK a "Minister" is a member of Cabinet (the main government).
Ministries are headed by either a Minister or a Secretary of State (a term for a senior minister).
Obviously the Ministry of Magic acts more like an independent government, with its own legislature and justiciary, its own currency and population. But it occupies the same territory as the UK. So when the Wizarding World decided to go secret, did they choose the term "Ministry" in order to placate the UK and its King?
And if so, then there HAS to be an Act of Parliament of the Muggle UK somewhere hidden that devolves power to the Ministry of Magic and authorises it to make secondary legislation, mint currency etc. Because Governments only feel safe when there is law in place that authorises things they want to pretend they control.
A side effect of this would be that all laws passed by the Ministry of Magic would in effect all be amendments to the original Act of the Muggle Parliament. All basically just one law in a legal sense. The same as when a local town council passes a bylaw under its authority granted by an Act.
Like, for example, the Law against Misuse of Muggle Artefacts would actually have a long title like "An instrument amending the Secret Grant of Ministry (Magic) Act 1606" or whatever.
Maybe being legally subservient to the muggle government was part of the compromise for the government ending its persecution of witches and wizards. Who knows
I've always wondered what would happen if some smart muggle scientists ended up in the ministry. Who would end up amazed? The muggles or the wizards. Cause their gonna be learning how the brain functions and the possibly origins of the universe and it's size. While the muggles are gonna be learning that there's an entire world of magic they didn't know about.
If hogwarts Legacy is canon then the defense against the dark arts professor Hecate I think was an unspeakable who was cursed by time I assume much like the one unspeakable mentioned in the video by traveling to far into the past
I do wonder if, as a consequence of Riddle being born under the love potion, that was the reason he seemed incapable of actual love. His mother messed around with a force she shouldn't have, and it had long-term and far-reaching effects. Just a thought though.
Can't believe a time turner was given to a 13 year old just so she could go to all her classes
Well. I think another word for love magic could be life magic. Which creates a different view upon that apartment.
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9:12 if they were muggle brains then why did they have magical tentacles (and noses they were magically ace for easier study) but who knows?
I think the veil is the first iteration of the resurrection stone
Also the 25 descendants weren't actually unborn they're trapped in limbo somewhere between the past, present, and future given that everything you do with the time turner is already embedded into the actual timeline they weren't unborn but instead trapped in a time warp in limbo somewhere between the past, present, and future.
We all know about the deathly hollows are there ones for life such as the philosophers stone and so on.
I think why they did not use the charm fo hide the secret. Is that when the secret keeper dies everyone who knows about it becomes the keeper. It’s more safe to just force everyone to vow to not tell anyone what they do then to risk it tue charm
Re the prophecy room. I would wonder if the prophecy room was created before or after the time room. Because if you know the future would you change your fate? Some of the ultimate paradoxes can result from either knowing your fate or trying to avoid your fate.
Harry Potter probably learned of his fate at exactly the right time. Furthermore; it would probably be inevitable that another seer would have foreseen that too. Given the significance of the information included there.
The real question is what decides whether or not particular prediction needs to be sealed in the prophecy room or not?
An interesting idea is the history and current state of religious beliefs in the wizarding world. They of course celebrate Christmas - what is that in the wizarding world. Other celebrated events?
I imagine that for obvious controversial reasons JK didn't touch religion on purpose. But I like to believe that perhaps jesus was a wizard and that explained all the miracles he performed, and since this was before the whole secrecy thing, the miracles just spread like wildfire.
This is where I would work at being a WIZARD CIA
So this is why professor heccat was hurt by time
El-oh-weez is the commonly accepted English pronunciation of Eloise for anyone curious.
So how many departements are there?
I hope Hogwarts legacy is multiple games and eventually you graduate and get to pick from certain jobs. Where the main quest is the same for everyone no matter what your career is and a few side quests are accessible as well but you also have your career themed quest lines which tie into the main quest. And aside from being an auror which is something I really hope we get to play as at some point regardless but I’d also like to play as an unspeakable.
Area 51 of the wizarding world lol
There were wizards and witches thousands of years ago. Think about their mysteries. There seems to be types of magic and artifacts of magic beyond the ability of modern witches and wizards. What if there was a department of mysteries in the Library of Alexandria? In the Sphinx or the Pyramids?
When was the department of mystery made
What would happen if you used a horror crux and a Fidelis charmed together to hide the soul of somebody who knew a secret into an object
Hey, how come you’re not doing Mythology Explained anymore?
Still involved, just to a lesser extent!
Whats that?
@@HarryPotterTheory Ah, ok.
@@hsdiamond2113 He made another channel that goes over every Mythos (Greek, Norse, etc).
What if Harry threw horcruxes in the vile
There doesn't seem much point in them if they can't tell anyone about their work, eventually you would want to tell the public since you'd want any benefits for society to be known, sure keep the dangerous discoveries secret, but what's the point of keeping the beneficial safe discoveries secret just for the sake of it, eg medical discoveries.
if all 3 deathly hollows were together you’d be the master of death how or would it affect the veil?