Eastern Lore - From Demon's Souls To Elden Ring

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  • @soulbr34ther
    @soulbr34ther Рік тому +702

    Always found it hilarious how FromSoft definitely only mention eastern lands as an excuse to put katanas in their medieval Europe themed games

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Рік тому +30

      i'm so glad your comment got pinned.its hilarious and very true lol

    • @letusplays1
      @letusplays1 Рік тому +45

      To me it always felt like a homage or like a nod to the home country of the dev team but that’s also probably part of it lol 😂

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Рік тому +26

      @@letusplays1 why not both!

    • @dziosdzynes7663
      @dziosdzynes7663 Рік тому +22

      There's also swords from middle east, Russia, southern Asia etc. Also souls aren't just "medieval European", there's so much stuff that's not strictly European in there. Stop projecting fr

    • @gregorylaufend2570
      @gregorylaufend2570 Рік тому +17

      ​@@dziosdzynes7663almost a half of Russia is in Europe, wdym?

  • @ABrickinTime
    @ABrickinTime Рік тому +153

    Elden Ring did a great job of being just vague enough with their distant worlds to make me want to visit every one lol

    • @Funko777
      @Funko777 Рік тому +8

      Uhhh, Imma pass on the war torn eastern country where everyone practices blood magic but you do you homie 🙏 ✌️

    • @ABrickinTime
      @ABrickinTime Рік тому +9

      @@Funko777 haha I’m sure the Land of Reeds had some good scenery

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +15

      I wanna see eochaid, for some reason i imagine it to be like death strandings world

    • @phlegmfiend
      @phlegmfiend Рік тому +7

      @@TheHonoredMadmanEochaid would be so badass

    • @ABrickinTime
      @ABrickinTime 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheHonoredMadman yes 🙌 maybe in the dlc?

  • @jakomaniac
    @jakomaniac Рік тому +102

    Literally 90% of my favorite bits of world building in souls. Been waiting for this since your last one.

    • @skellymen2395
      @skellymen2395 Рік тому +10

      "Eastern Lands" mentions are cool and all but personally I love any mention of badlands or barbarians, just imagining theres a conan or essos-style land full of raiders and mysticism makes me wanna see a souls game set in these badlands

  • @crestfallenhussar895
    @crestfallenhussar895 11 місяців тому +29

    An Okina mask isn't just an old man mask but a particular style of mask from Noh theatre, a type of theatre often portraying stories about demons.

  • @Robocopnik
    @Robocopnik 11 місяців тому +10

    The thing about a lack of ninjas is, is it a lack of ninjas, or just ninjas being very, very good at their jobs?

  • @minespatch
    @minespatch Рік тому +44

    Glad you noticed the term "spooks" in this video. The term in ds3 always had me curious since the Vinheim assassins used a spell with that name.

    • @qwopiretyu
      @qwopiretyu 10 місяців тому +5

      60s word for spy, I figured Miyazaki chose it because it's esoteric and occult-sounding

    • @minespatch
      @minespatch 10 місяців тому +1

      @@qwopiretyu Exactly why it stuck out to me. You mentioned "60s" and it's a medieval game. 😆

  • @AngraMainiiu
    @AngraMainiiu 9 місяців тому +5

    You actually missed a character.
    Giant blacksmith Makoto, famous for forging both Magic Sword "Makoto" and the Chaos Blade!

  • @Skyswayer
    @Skyswayer Рік тому +30

    My first Souls Game was Ds3 and finding the Easterlings Ashes really made me really interested in this mystical eastern land far away that we never get to see. Thanks for shining some light on this trope in the Souls Series.

  • @refundreplay
    @refundreplay Рік тому +7

    Feature Presentation is a voice I haven't heard in forever....

  • @alecolson8360
    @alecolson8360 Рік тому +14

    All the video capture for this is staggering! And all the concept art. Very awesome!

  • @aquazamm4926
    @aquazamm4926 Рік тому +10

    Always hitting us with the dark souls ASMR at the start or end just makes these videos that much better

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 11 місяців тому +3

    Ah Makoto. Probably my favorite katana because I once defeated Peeverson and German Spy as Old Monk.
    I miss pre-patch DWG Ring that not only activated at mid-level load, but also made you run at low-equip speed.

  • @slightlytwistedagain
    @slightlytwistedagain Рік тому +37

    If you want to know more about the ninja inspirations look up the Iga Ninja Clan. This is the same clan that Hattori Hanzo was from, the most famous ninja in the world from the Sengoku period and around the same time of the unification of Japan. I recommend playing Nioh if you want to have some idea of the events around that time. Every single named NPC from that game is a real historical figure.

  • @FloppeyPyro
    @FloppeyPyro Рік тому +9

    There is evidence our player character is the 3rd black hand of the King of Lothric. I would explain but I dont wanna go on a tangent no one will read.

  • @rexzs794
    @rexzs794 9 місяців тому +1

    Do you remember when DS1 came out and people called the DWG cartwheel was called the “fairy flip”? That’s engrained in my brain.

  • @SilasSeiler
    @SilasSeiler 4 місяці тому +1

    I'll always be a bit sad. We never got another version of the Dark Woodgrain Ring, but I know it's for the best. PVP could have some balance issues getting it to not be broken

  • @josetomascamposrobledano4618
    @josetomascamposrobledano4618 Місяць тому +1

    2:15 it’s almost like Makoto is the ORIGINAL chaos blade!
    Funny because it is actually Souls “icon weapon” while Moonlight is a reference to previous games before souls.

  • @craig-machine8137
    @craig-machine8137 Рік тому +3

    Aw man, good stuff having Souls of Mist playing in the background, it's easily one of my favourite tracks from any Souls game.

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +2

      It quickly rose to the top of mine as well

    • @craig-machine8137
      @craig-machine8137 Рік тому +2

      I think it's up there with Aquatic Ambiance and Stickerbrush Symphony from Donkey Kong Country in terms of songs that make me emotional everytime I hear them.

  • @azurespectrum1985
    @azurespectrum1985 Рік тому +7

    Hell yes, this is the video I've been waiting for. The interior ministry, the land of the reids, Shiva of the east, we all get to eat!!! Wish they honestly would make a DS game set completely in a Japanese folklore era type game with a variety of armor sets and weapons!

  • @djspit8929
    @djspit8929 Рік тому +18

    Ever since sekiro dropped its been my headcanon that Ashina is the fabled "eastern lands" that Shiva came from. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise

    • @bgbupkiss8466
      @bgbupkiss8466 11 місяців тому +2

      But Ashina is like an actual place in japan

    • @djspit8929
      @djspit8929 11 місяців тому

      @@bgbupkiss8466 yeahh thats not even true bro. They speak japanese, but there isnt a single mention of japan in the game. Its called the land of Ashina, presumably ashina is the country/land

    • @SeventhSeraphOfficerRevolver
      @SeventhSeraphOfficerRevolver 11 місяців тому +6

      ​@@djspit8929I mean they reference the history of Japan, The Ashina clan was a real group and Tokugawa Ieyasu was referred to as the Interior Minister, which is a more accurate translation of interior ministry. I believe his troops even wore red armour

    • @sebastiansteven9588
      @sebastiansteven9588 11 місяців тому +1

      @@djspit8929 no? It takes place in Japan, they talk about the Sengoku era. Besides if it took place in the dark souls universe can you explain the absence of souls? Because in Dark Souls all “life” originated from the first flame, why wouldn’t any of the life in Sekiro drop souls if they’d also have come from the Flame. And just like I said it most definitely takes place in Japan. L take

    • @bgbupkiss8466
      @bgbupkiss8466 11 місяців тому +1

      @@djspit8929 Lmao your very confident about something you're very wrong about. Look up The Ashina clan and their territory they called Ashina during the Sengoku era of Japan. It is quite literally a real place and people. There are fantasy elements of Sekiro yes, but it is historical fantasy, unlike the fantasy worlds of Souls

  • @Conzort_1
    @Conzort_1 11 місяців тому +1

    To add a little background to the term "Ronin": A ronin is a samurai whom no longer has a master. Typically, a samurai would serve a lord. And these lords ruled over portions of land, with denizens. They reported to the Shogun, whom ruled the entire country.
    If a lord were to perish, the Shogun would determine the fate of the Samurai. Whether it be to serve another lord, or to be banished and sentenced to wonder the lands with no lord. Those banished were then called "Ronin".
    I believe the film, "The Last Samurai", covers this topic briefly.

  • @diredier
    @diredier Рік тому +3

    Woohoo! was waiting for another delicious chunk of lore drop!
    Love your style: chill, ponderous, wise, insightful and modest
    I watch so many different lore gurus big and small, you're my favorite by far!
    "Potion" up, breakfast, and Honored Madman - my favorite way to start the day

  • @unclet9825
    @unclet9825 Рік тому +7

    I've never really been a big fan of the eastern lore to be quite honest, but this video made me appreciate it just a little bit more. Amazing work as always.

  • @eternilly
    @eternilly Рік тому +1

    another really interesting video as always! can't wait till the next one

  • @bq1422
    @bq1422 Рік тому +2

    Recently found your videos bro. Your content is fire!

  • @yuzunatsuyoshi501
    @yuzunatsuyoshi501 Рік тому +7

    The thing about sir Alonne is what we actually kill him, and iron king unable to accept it created a fabrication of him leaving, and most likely hired prowlers from kingdoms of alkenn&venn to guard his armor and weapon. Imagine how low morale would be for his main force, alonne knights, if they find out their idol got bested in battle.

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +4

      Thats a great observation i completely agree, especially on the morale aspect as alonne clearly commanded alot of respect and his death would probably result in completely desertions, especially if they were already losing faith in the old iron king as he gave into to his ambitions

  • @dustyknuckles295
    @dustyknuckles295 11 місяців тому

    Nice, honored madman video. Time to break out the 2 footer.

  • @tobiaslundqvist3209
    @tobiaslundqvist3209 7 місяців тому

    Maybe the giants have had contact with the east. The murakumo is used by the giant skeletons in the the Tomb of Giants and even the lesser skeletons use scimitars which the wanderer class from the far east also use. Also bleed is an amazing way to deal with giants and if the inhabitants where fighting them such equipment would be great. Also the oni greatbow in DS 3 is for slaying giant "oni" but these giants are described as having horns. I don't know, could connect to the skull in ash lake directly beneath Tomb of the Giants.
    Just some ideas.

  • @jacksonhemeon960
    @jacksonhemeon960 Рік тому +2

    The one we’ve all been waiting for

  • @mrslasher1064
    @mrslasher1064 8 місяців тому

    Honestly i'd like to see a video on all the countries of the north
    Kaiden,Zamor,Forossa,Mirrah,Millwood,maybe even the great swamp
    Countries known for their fierce warriors and knights and for people that are more than their fair share of insane...

  • @bathhatingcat8626
    @bathhatingcat8626 Рік тому +2

    Try playing with a shield and using items- treat it like an rpg. It connects demon souls to dark souls 2.

  • @alyseleem2692
    @alyseleem2692 Рік тому +1

    I, too, think of some shared timeline for the games. Though it lies strictly in the space of headcanon, I've nonetheless put plenty of thought into it. That said, this is not the place to discuss such a thing.
    You may find me awfully pessimistic when it comes to Alonne's fate; I believe we killed him. In the same way we are the ones who killed the Giant Lord and obtained the Giant's Kinship, we are the ones responsible for Alonne's death. Not the Iron King; not anyone else. The story about him leaving is the same as Artorias' tale of beating Manus; a lie to protect his honor, especially since it's possible you canonically made him commit seppuku out of sheer shame.
    The importance of this idea, to me, is that it places a timeline for the Iron King's descent into madness; a random Undead, with no visible method of entry, nonetheless managed to slice their way through his guard and kill his most trusted friend.
    That said, I don't think Alonne's story is so..cut and dry, if you will.
    After you kill Alonne, you find that he was guarding a Smelter Wedge. His Blade, the Bewitched Blade, is described as a " yuto" in Japanese; a bloodthirsty blade with it's own will. This applies to most of the other blades in the other games, compelling those who qant them to commit heinous deeds to obtain them and shed blood, but Alonne's case is unique for two reasons:
    1. He could apparently control the blade's bloodlust, or rather, control himself and resist it.
    2. He could cast Dark Greatsword using it.
    The latter,along with the Smelter Wedge, is what made me suspicious.
    Why did Alonne choose to serve the one who would become the Iron King? And why is he guarding the one way to defeat Nadalia, of all people?
    Simple; look at Alonne's armour again.
    It shows something like a snake; a viper.
    Why a viper? What does the wearer intend to convey with this adornment?
    A poisonous hatred for something or someone. A powerful, consuming desire for revenge.
    a younger, more foolish Alonne made a deal with a certain someone to imbue his blade with the power to achieve his revenge...
    In exchange for serving and protecting that certain someone's beloved.
    Nadalia sent Alonne to protect and serve the Iron King.
    He wasn't even the only one; look at Dance Of Fire,made by Eygil. What do you see, if not Nadalia's flames? How did he produce them? Who taught him her secrets, if not her?
    Whilst Nadalia couldn't yet reach her beloved,what she could do was guide him from afar. ....
    But Alonne is guarding a Smelter Wedge.
    He knows what Dark would do to his king; he has grown more loyal to him; the Iron King.
    He will protect him, even at the cost of himself. Even at the cost of his revenge.
    If you take the Wedge, Alonne cannot protect his king. He thinks you are here for it; that you, like he once was, were sent by Nadalia.
    He will stop you at any cost.

  • @HarrowedDweeb
    @HarrowedDweeb Рік тому +3

    Never caught you this early, made my night man. Your outro is gonna be my into, then I’m gonna watch this glorious 40 minute long video

  • @tetzujin
    @tetzujin 10 місяців тому +2

    Japanese guys showing up in a vaguely european fantasy world? Sounds like Miyazaki is a fan of isekais

  • @JoaoVictor-rg5ix
    @JoaoVictor-rg5ix Рік тому +1

    My headcanon is that maybe these easten lands actually are in a different universe, or dimension. Maybe the sekiro universe.

  • @paololanzafame9125
    @paololanzafame9125 Рік тому

    IVE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS FOR TOO MUCH TIME

  • @Gunkboosters
    @Gunkboosters Рік тому

    Appreciate how much effort you put innto make your analysis thorough, yet chill and relaxed. Feel like im just shooting the shit with a bro about something we like and i love that about this channel 🫶

  • @Inuzumi
    @Inuzumi Рік тому +2

    The samurai is one of the best starting classes in my opinion. You start with a pretty good armor, a bow and the fucking Uchigatana lol.
    I always wondered why Alva uses the Murakumo. It's like a pretty weird mix, sure he IS a traveler so makes sense he has things from all over the world. But still, it always stuck with me for some reason. I also always wanted to see the these "horned demons from the east" DS2 and DS3 talks about. Kind of a wasted oportunity not letting us see them on Sekiro.

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +2

      Oh yeah the giant winged oni thats mentioned in the greatbow. Same here. I saw some old speculation that, the nameless kings storm drake could be one butni never bought into it. I think theyd look much more eastern in design. And yeah i totally agree i honestly thought for sure we would see them or something like them in sekiro

  • @gatovolador3677
    @gatovolador3677 Рік тому +1

    Keep up the good work brotha

  • @xBlyssx
    @xBlyssx Рік тому

    The eastern land, a place where we know so much and little at the same time

  • @Invaders_Unite
    @Invaders_Unite 11 місяців тому

    Bro it makes me so happy you like Demon Souls. Best Pvp in my opinion the remake was so awesome I loved being able to invade in Demon Souls again. Using the great sword with a curse weapon again just felt awesome.

  • @bigboyjeff6151
    @bigboyjeff6151 2 місяці тому

    as someone who just did a bloodlust only run, that vertebrae shackle farm took me 5 hours btw, it go brr

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Рік тому +1

    maybe the oily black stone poured forth from the darksign
    3:43 flamberge is even funnier considering it's based on a real worod design. Not sure how much if at all they were ever used in battle. Seems like a ceremonial type weapon

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +1

      I love this comment. The lovecraftian oily black stone of a song of ice and fire right?

    • @randomindividual948
      @randomindividual948 Рік тому +2

      The blade is wavy so parrying is uncomfortable for the dude getting parried.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Рік тому +1

      @@randomindividual948 thanks I didn't know that

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Рік тому

      @@TheHonoredMadman yeah and apparently one chunk of it landed next to some Essosi bigwig. Soon he had forsaken his other gods in favour of the black stone which be probably began pondering immediately

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +1

      Naw i love the wavy design and totally get its use and practicality but its design in ds1 felt so goofy compared to how it looks in ds2 and 3

  • @Sohelanthropus
    @Sohelanthropus Рік тому

    Another great video my guy, I'm a sucker for your content as you touch on not-so-big or very specific topics about these games; really brings me back to OG lore guys and reminds me why they're so good
    Personally I think DS2 did the East right out of all games, it's there but it actually feels like it belongs in the mystical, fantasy land of Drangleic, unlike ER where the Reeds armors are just waaay too japanese that they look off in the cletic fantasy atmosphere of the game, a real killer for me in that aspect
    Cheers bru, can't wait for your next video 🐐

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Рік тому +1

    Its Yi Ti bro
    3:35 he must have plundered old Valyria on his adventures

  • @mrpuggerson
    @mrpuggerson Рік тому

    Congratulations on breaking 20k subs!!!!

  • @hiddenshadow2105
    @hiddenshadow2105 22 дні тому

    Don't want to sound too pessimistic but you get Sir Alonne's soul after his fight, so unless he literally 'left my soul in that place' kind of person, it would be very difficult to keep on meaningfully wander without one.

  • @Rags_222
    @Rags_222 11 місяців тому

    Yasuke in the opening? I know I recognize those sounds anywhere that's flying lotus

  • @sebastiansteven9588
    @sebastiansteven9588 11 місяців тому +1

    Sekiro and Dark souls don’t take place in the same universe at all, that point about the interior ministry was a bad take

  • @chrisdiokno5600
    @chrisdiokno5600 Рік тому

    Love the Eastern worldbuilding

  • @ChanchoWins
    @ChanchoWins Рік тому +1

    Hi! what about Nepheli Loux and Hoarah Loux?

  • @e.m.8184
    @e.m.8184 Рік тому

    far away across the sea...

  • @vettedsin
    @vettedsin 7 місяців тому

    hiroyuki sanada lol. shogun is a great show!

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Рік тому

    11:12 thats very anime isn't? knowing it was time to go and resuming his life as a wanderer

  • @topcat59
    @topcat59 Рік тому

    Cool vid bro.😺

  • @zedchillman2685
    @zedchillman2685 Рік тому

    Look at the timing, right on dab 30

  • @ppete4985
    @ppete4985 11 місяців тому

    Don’t think the eastern lands referenced have anything to do with Sekiro since that game is so contained within itself in terms of lore but, god I wish it were confirmed

  • @rambones3378
    @rambones3378 11 місяців тому

    What was the song used in the begining?

  • @Kyng_T
    @Kyng_T 10 місяців тому

    Sekiro, is that you??

  • @Liam-jx4zb
    @Liam-jx4zb Рік тому +1

    What was the song at the intro?

  • @Mithraist.Nationalist
    @Mithraist.Nationalist 11 місяців тому

    I am your 1100 like

  • @Coldkill2001
    @Coldkill2001 11 місяців тому

    In the name Gotthard, the H is silent. It's pronounced like Gottard, like Jimmy Neutron's robot dog

  • @Bearoholic
    @Bearoholic Рік тому

    Hell yeah

  • @DustDemonTwilight
    @DustDemonTwilight Рік тому +1

    should take a look at other connections between the soulsborne that people overlook as just being easter eggs, like the immortal killing blades from sekiro being the exact same as the black flame and destined death flames from elden ring, among many other things.

    • @ItchiestBum
      @ItchiestBum Рік тому +1

      But that's what they are, just easter eggs

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn Рік тому

    Bro, what if the land of Reeds IS the east 😮 and dark souls and elden ring , as in the same "world" but with unknowable eons of time betweem

  • @vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898

    In every mainline souls game? Are there any souls game that is not mainline?

    • @TheHonoredMadman
      @TheHonoredMadman  Рік тому +1

      Bad wording on my part i just meant dark souls trilogy when i said that

    • @RandomGameClips27
      @RandomGameClips27 11 місяців тому +1

      Dark Souls 2, it sucks so much that it never existed

  • @joification2
    @joification2 8 місяців тому

    More like.... Shive the DECEASED!

  • @dekushroom
    @dekushroom 7 днів тому

    3:19 the weeaboo set* lol

  • @shonis_shelf
    @shonis_shelf Рік тому

    i love you

  • @killervic7379
    @killervic7379 Рік тому

    Hi

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 11 місяців тому

    Lol Avatar. XD

  • @Ming1975
    @Ming1975 11 місяців тому

    Sir Alonne armor looks more Chinese because of the waist armor style and that long plump that's usually 2 of them instead of 1.
    Hey, i didn't get okina to gangk on Radhan 😠

    • @thenutella8846
      @thenutella8846 11 місяців тому +1

      I always considered that the Eastern armor sets in the souls games are altered by their original owners to incorporate western armor once they reach the places the games are set in. It would explain why they don't look exactly Japanese and use more uncovered iron plates than the real armor of Japan would have. After all, in real life anban armor became a thing in Japan after the Portuguese and other Europeans introduced western culture to them. But yeah, i can see your point about Alonne's armor looking Chinese, but to me, it looks like a fusion of Japanese and European. Off topic but I even head cannoned his name not actually being Alonne but just being the name he adopted or the westerners gave him because his actual name was "too foreign" or hard to properly pronounce.

  • @gagemcmahon9485
    @gagemcmahon9485 Рік тому +3

    Oh fuck yeah

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Рік тому

      I could do without the swearing but I entirely agree with the sentiment!

  • @global-sequence
    @global-sequence Рік тому

    Idk if you mean to do this but the way you leave it hanging on a shot of a character idling when you go off on a total tangent is 🤌

  • @TheMixedMan
    @TheMixedMan Рік тому +1

    Honored Madman dropped a video 15mins ago?
    Is there a better time to hop on UA-cam?
    Thank you for the mind food,
    my good guy.
    Another video, well done.
    Compliments to the chef. 🤣🤌🤌
    🫡✌️