Seath, the Misunderstood Genius | Dark Souls Lore
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- Given his tools and the location of research by the state.. An egotistical genius.. and Creator of Priscilla, Lordran's weapon of mass destruction. This is Seath's story..
This video is about the lore of the Lonely Dragon. Who integrated into the Lords' hierarchy, and then seemingly went mad. But what were his motivations in Dark Souls? Is it really madness that we see? And who was caught up in his path along the way?
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Hawkshaw.
Given his tools and the location of research by the state.. An egotistical genius.. and Creator of Priscilla, Lordran's weapon of mass destruction. This is Seath's story..
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"No Maidens?"
Seath to Havel, probably
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@@Don-ds3dy seath is the opposite of maidenless doe
"Maidenless? I litteraly stole even YOUR maiden dumbass" -Seath
"You did WHAT" -havel
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Wait, Priscilla is a weapon of mass destruction?
I never actively noticed the detail in the intro, that the scale of the ancient dragon in Seath's hand crumbles into sand. That adds some creepiness to the beautiful sand in Ash Lake.
I think the ash in ash lake comes from the archtrees that were burned during the war from izaliths pyromancy ;)
@@borutaicho Why not both?
@@borutaicho ...and maybe from the forming and developing of the first flame too... we will surely never know
He is. Use your own eyes.
@@jezuzman78 no its called reading too Far into things. He's literally crushing a dragons scale which literally represents the immortality he could not have and therefore betrayed his brethren drakes in the first place
I always assumed that Seath was crushing the scale in the opening scene like an assert of dominance onto his fallen brothers, now I finally understand that he was screaming of deception when he realised the precious scales he wanted so desperately were crumbling in his hands. Thanks dude!!!
What proof is there of that?
@@ao1778 Your eyes
@@ao1778 just some nice speculation. You can take it how you want
@@montoshi it would be better if he stated clearly what parts are speculation... puddle-deep people will end up taking his words for absolute truth and that's not fair
@@alessandrobaggi6129 My guy... about 95% of dark souls lore stuff is speculation.
That's a standard. No need to say "this is speculation" after every single sentence.
Everybody talks about the lore, but I just like Seath because “dragon mad scientist ” is a character archetype that goes harder than diamonds.
Can confirm Kerapac from RuneScape also goes hard
@@NeODeLeuX bro I spent like a third of my childhood wondering what Guthix and the Stone of Jas even *were*
goes harder than crystals*
Niv Mizzet has entered the chat
harder than the scales he should of had
I just realised something. Seath cannot be older than fire like the Everlasting Dragons; to have an albino dragon, a crippled and mortal dragon, would require disparity. Depending on the time lag between the advent of disparity and the war against the dragons, Seath might actually be very young for a dragon.
you just realized a thing this video opens up saying? omega kek
Bro went out of his way to comment “omega kek” on a year old comment
@@xBINARYGODx It’s almost like he watched the video, causing him to realize that, and then he commented that this video made him realize something he never thought of before. Seriously are you a moron?
young possibly very young? Doubtful. Between Gwyn obtaining the fire and the chosen undead coming to Lordran might be thousands of years. Not to mention we don't know the timeframe of Seath before contacting Gwyn
@@bigboy4137wtf even is omega kek💀💀
Seath: Guys I'm worried I might die one day without scales.
Other Dragons: Wait... you might what?
Real
@@bearseekberserker1761how does it feeeeeeeel Seath? To be a bitch?
@@bearseekberserker1761 how does it feel Seath? To be a bitch
@@bearseekberserker1761How's it feeeel Seath? To be a BEEYITCH?
@@bearseekberserker1761 "Bitch ain't got no legs."
So in a way, Aldia succeeded (sort of) where Seath failed, creating an ancient dragon that whilst technically an imposter, might very well have served his research purposes
Yea, Aldia saw past the dragons in the end though, and found the power of a king. That which has the power to not only destroy the current cycle, but to remake it.
Aldia and Vendrick are probably strongest characters in the soul series both in power and intelligence, they achieved things non could do before or after.
@@nightggg in power no.
Considering they are beaten by the bearer of the curse.
And he basically could've linked the fire.
@@lasttrinity0780 I can’t be sure of Aldia, but Vendrick by the time you fight him is literally hollowed, saying that he’s way past his prime would be an understatement. Even then, you can barely do anything unless you have collected Giant souls. It’s even explained to us that in order to create Drangleic, Vendrick faced four beings endowed with lord souls, just like us in our journey, along with leading a war against the giants, supposedly being able to cut them down easily. Prime Vendrick has gone through our journey before and even more.
@@lasttrinity0780 Well, Vendrick is only fought naked and hollowed, ages after rule was over - and even then, we can only do anything to him with Giant Souls. As for Aldia... we never kill him, and he's not interested in killing us either. As far as named Dark Souls characters go, the two of them seem to be at the top. Plus, Vendrick is a Strength build, so he's automatically the most badass.
“The child who grows up without the love of the village, will burn it down to feel it’s warmth”
Ah man can't wait to learn how Seath did nothing wrong and that not only were his actions justified but they lead to a better world.
Straight facts
#SeathDidNothingWrong
Lmao
If only dark souls 2 didn't exist I'd be willing to take that bet.
He experimented on women bruv
Its a golden age of knowledge and lore. Praise the lore.
Much of this particular lore is in reality pure speculation 😏
@@alessandrobaggi6129 like everything in Dark Souls
@@alessandrobaggi6129 trol
@@parse4842 Why? I just stated the obvious. The author should have stated it as a disclaimer at the start of the video, otherwise newcomers to the serie will take his speculations as facts...
@@alessandrobaggi6129 If they're as dim as you, surely they will be confused no matter what...
I just like how basically Seath was just a bullied dragon nerd. Pale, frail, outcast and studious.
id honestly love to see a primordial serpent video in the future, such integral characters who we know so little about
This 👆
Yes please, Hawkshaw
With the Caduceus Shield giving the hint that the serpents are from the Great Swamp I'm super fascinated as well
might not be of any help, but the two and three fingers in elden ring seem to be very similar to the primordial serpents. Maybe their lore could help understand the serpents better?
@@yegor2 I've figured that with alot of things from elden ring, like the plot against the gods and the enslavement of the giants
Now I am become Seathe, the scaleless
Indeed
sh*t dude
I wonder if Seath was ever a professor at the Vinheim Dragon School. I'd like to imagine a giant dragon teaching sorcery XD
I don't think Seath is one for teaching. He discovers new things that people learn from, but he doesn't teach them.
@@Cethinn yeah it feels more like Sorcerers kind of worshipped Seath as the grandfather of sorcery rather than regarded his as their master
It’s true tho
I’ve long believed in my head cannon that Humans learned Magic from Seath, either through observation or direct education, but I just think that Vinheim named the school after Seath but not because Seath cared at all, but to add a sense of grandeur and legitimacy to their otherwise not particularly Dragon-y school.
Dragon school he totally Did
Who was more cruel to humans - Seath or the Gods? Let us know what you think!
you making us wait
By the way still no info on the sack-clad character in Asylum?
@@antonsimachkov6255 Who? You mean Man-eater Mildred from Blighttown?
Hawkshaw I played your game btw it was really immersive!
@@johnmccormack8957 there's a hollow at the beginning that has a sack on its head. It is on the wall impaled, presumably by the asylum demon underneath (forgot what it's name is). Curiously, giving a sack to the trading crow yields a demon great hammer.
Absolutely bends my brain when you mentioned the Ash Lake ancient dragon as possibly being the firekeeper for its bonfire. It's like Seath's not only trying to make stone dragons, but create a being that can survive an age of Dark, Light, or whatever comes... Fantastic lore series.
Everything falls into place when we realize why Aldiya created the Emerald Herald with the dragon heritage and made her the keeper of fire.
That's insane! I also came to the conclusion that Priscilla is the Daughter of Seath in that way, that he accidentaly modified a pregnant woman instead of a virgin maiden.
However, I believe the 'other' father of Priscilla to be Havel the Rock directly. In just the same way it's brought up here, the archbishop of law and caste had an affair with a - presumed - maiden. That maiden got abducted and somehow modified by Seath. I believe, that Seath knew or guessed from the very beginning of his experiments with human women that a pregnant women could lead to complications and therefore requested maidens from the getgo. Noone could have foreseen, that one presumed maiden actually had an affair and was pregnant, right?
Therefore I believe Priscilla to be the Daughter of Havel, that Maiden and Seath. It would explain that deep-seated hatred of Havel for all things sorcery and Seath a smudge better that just him killing his lover - which also is a pretty good reason to hate someone in the first place ofc.
I don't really know what evidence brought you to conclude the birth of Priscilla and the abduction of Havels lover to be seperate events - but I guess I also don't have that much clear evidence for my idea either... except a nice little parabola with Berserk which just rhymes so well to me that I chose to accept this as the more elegant and simpler story: In Berserk there is also a Child with three Parents, just like Priscilla. It's the child Guts and Kjaskar made, which was somehow aborted and livingly modified by Femto-Griffiths Demon-Seed. This happened willingly by Femto-Griffith, instead of presumably unknowingly by Seath, but the parallels just ring something for me. And I stumbled over quite a lot lore references pairing exactly these characters - Guts and Havel, Seath and Griffith... perhaps Myazaki chose to take that connection and this Hommage to Berserk just a little bit further?
Anyway, the abduction, perhaps rape of his loved one plus the corruption and ousting of his to-be-daughter would be enough to drive an archbishop of law and caste to a rebellion against the very gods, the stashing of occult weapons in hidden places of Anor Londo and mobilising an army of magic-resistantly armored knights against the very gods he once prayed for. It's even enough to turn him against an old friend - or be locked away by him through betrayal, for his own good, of course.
Anway, felt like sharing this. I love your work. It's the most compelling and interesting insights we get in the lore of these wonderful games, I think. And it's so delishious food to fuel the little story ideas and theories of so many others by their own - it's awesome in any meaning of this word.
Praise the Lore
I think you might just have it, and that could also explain why Havel's Maiden is the one who died in her cell rather than being transformed into one of the serpentine abominations at the bottom of the Archives. Seath presumably would've aborted his experiments on her once he realized she was pregnant, choosing to lock her away instead. Of course, the damage was already done, but not enough to transform her completely, just enough to corrupt the yet-born fetus we now know as Priscilla. Eventually, she was forgotten, either honestly or willfully, and her body, robes, and ring were left for us to find, the maiden's last testament to the evil of Seath.
I came to the same conclusion and choose to believe as you do. It just adds a nice connection and makes the story even deeper.
Wait… so if Priscilla is Havel’s daughter, and Priscilla was Nitos wife, that would make Nito Havel’s son-in-law lmao. (Only of you believe that second theory anyway)
@@joeprado3614 how could Priscilla be Nito's lover?
She's clearly young (fur/feathers) and knows nothing of the outside world.
Besides, who would have enough power to take her away from Nito himself and lock her away?
Also what would be the point of the second coffin in Nito's domain if she wasn't someone who could live there?
And would Nito really just sit and do nothing if he knew his lover was kidnapped and alive, just locked up?
@@Archimedes.5000 The gods maybe superior than Nito at that time. Also the undead dragon and the bonewheels guarding the gate to Priscilla seem like Nito's will. Although I dont think Priscilla could have enough time to start a relationship with Nito before being banished to the painted world, or that makes Nito a pedophile lol
The Golems being there to guard / watch dragon-like creatures because he wants to become like his old brethren makes so much sense!
The ancient dragon is sitting ON the nest. She’s not young. Not newly created.
She’s the lone, hidden survivor of her kind, leading her hidden covenant.
This is why Seath is still trying, not some unsupported claim that he succeeded in making one, hid it, then kept trying to make one as if he hadn’t
What do you mean? She is in the nest after all, and no one says that dragons are born small, or that they don’t grow quickly. As such it is possible that he did make a dragon.
@@SilverIVthere's no reason to think that's the case
I wonder if Seath would’ve become fully crystallized given enough time, and maybe then he would’ve become truly immortal without the need of the Crystal
I assume Seath made the Moonlight Butterfly to show how refined his taste in mecha anime is.
For some reason, I've only just realized how utterly futile Seath quest for immortality was, and in the same way the quest of the god to make the age of fire eternal a fool errand, with the crystal itself being a hint so obvious we only sought to interpret it metaphorically as part of some greater scheme rather than literally, as in, the literal crystal can be interpreted as a metaphor for how dragons came to be, if we look into how crystalline structures like quartz come to be in real life. They grow over time due to favorable conditions, albeit extremely slowly, its a natural process like any others, they never were ''eternal'' in the way that they cannot die, but more than they're part of the natural processes of the world that can become manifest. Seath could never have gotten the immortality he sought, and became mad when he realized it was impossible, the same way that holding the crystal and all its qualities simply does not make its a part of your self, a part of your soul. That last line just gave me an epiphany about the nature of his crystalline beings and experiments...
He tried to literally fuse lord/flame soul to the soul of the crystal, but when that failed horribly in the form of Priscilla (not that she is a living failure, as she breathe and is healthy as far as we can see, but more than she wasn't the expected outcome, rather than an eternally living crystalline soul whose inner flame grew ever more, she was a creature of want, whose soul could sap the ones of others with a single glance, leaving nothing after, not even ashes. He wanted an exponential and he got pure vacuum instead. ), he started to test on humans and their dark souls, perhaps hoping our dark souls could provide us something he lacked as to find a solution to his dilemma. I suspect those experiments never gave him closure, seeing how things went afterward.
He wanted to hold in his bosom the inherent eternal growth of crystals, so he could grow his own scales, yet in the end all he had was a feeble phylactery, a pale, artificial, rushed simulacrum of the real thing, a frail eggshell which crumbling end truly exemplify how mad Seath endeavor had become, a god reduced to a glass house he can never leave, for fear that his so cherished ''immortality'' be lost to anything from a falling rock to a hefty gust of wind.
Zzzzzz
The crystal was an ancient treasure that was owned by the Everlasting Dragons. He pillaged it from them after his treason. Seathe didn't create it.
I'm surprised there is no mention here about how Seath also abducted Manus's lover. I really expected to see the connection between Seath and the fall of Oolacile.
Wha
How would that work
Manus was an acient man who died long ago, even before Oolacile civilization, so most likely way before Seath went mad.
Where would his lover even come from.
Is that theory made just from the fact that Crystal Golem has broken pedant?
@@Archimedes.5000 he could've done this without being mad tho
@@foxy4851inactive why? Lol
@@Archimedes.5000 she maybe triggered him or manus did idk there's so much lore in dark souls a vertical rock can tell a very long story lmao
@@Archimedes.5000 well like the video says Seath never really went mad, it’s just the perception of the people of Lordran.
Love that you played Yarghul’s theme when you started talking about a surrogate. Well done.
So glad you’ve been back lately old friend. Looking forward to hearing all your discoveries and analysis once more!
PS the fact that Seath is very likely NOT insane makes his actions even more reprehensible imo, although the fact that his mission allows him to retain some sort of sanity in the entropy filled Lordran is still rather impressive. He seems to be the last major force left at least ‘mostly intact’ (for lack of a better term) in the world, aside from perhaps Gwyndolin. He proves to be much more hardy than many of his brethren after all, ironically BECAUSE of his mortality or more precisely his **obsession with** his mortality makes him functionally immortal. Such a dichotomous character, the many contradictions make Seath incredibly intriguing. He arguably is more successful in reinventing the flame than the Witch is.
@accelerationquanta5816 he kidnapped and tortured people wdym?
that is immoral@accelerationquanta5816
There is never enough Hawkshaw. Every time a video comes out I have to watch the back log after.
I like the part where Seath said,'Let's get scaleless', then kidnapped a bunch of maidens and stuck octopi on their heads
The way you Describe how Seath plans to bring back the dragons reminds me of how scientists in our universe think we could theoretically bring back dinosaurs by messing with the genetics of birds.
I also like that you are able to explain his motives for his actions while not sugarcoating the fact that his actions were cruel and insane.
Seath was a monster, but he was a monster born of circumstance and bad luck.
Very good video here pal, one of your better ones.
But are the actions of a dragon to be held to human standards?
@@ALushPair *looks at Elon musk jamming circuit boards into monkey brains with no real plan* Yeah, I think we can actually.
@@stingerjohnny9951 😆 well, when you put it that way...
I like to believe that the everlasting dragon in Ash Lake simply survived the culling of the Ancient Dragons and hatched long after their passing in a forgotten place far beneath the surface of the known world- a secret even Seath cannot know. Proof of the resilience of life despite the best efforts of its enemies. A miracle of a species reemerging from the brink of extinction to carry on a legacy older than time itself.
I summoned to help with this fight literal hundreds of times, for his fight back in the PS3 days. I had my lvl 140 dragon slayer build with the dragon slayer spear +5 and the great sunlight spear. I memorized every step and map detail in the invisible crystal caverns down to his boss fight. In the ps4 times it was different but still there. The number of sunlight medals I have on ps3 and ps4 is unbelievable.
It seems that even though Seath had sight problems, he was able to visualise a future for his world, and make it reality.
Wow that was deep
‘Seeth, perhaps the most important character in Dark Souls’. Yep I’d say so. The Age of Fire wouldn’t have happened without Seeth’s help. Seeth’s lore is incredible and all he ever wanted was to be equal like his brethren.
Did dude just change the thumbnail just to catch the Oppenheimer train?
Wonder if Crows and Dragons are directly related. After all, scales and feathers both evolved at around the same time and featherless reptiles IRL have a hormone that suppresses feather growth during development.
0:01 Seath the Scaleless Scaly.
Really looking forward to what you've dug up this time.
I cannot wait to see what you've uncovered this time. Really makes the Elden ring wait so much easier, thank you for the lovely surprises.
my dear sunbro we only have to wait 50 some days. praise the sun.
If you watch the video you commented on, you can see.
Couldn't help but notice that the music at the start is the Flaming Tree theme from the second Arabian chapter in Silkroad which was never even officially released beyond private servers. Now that is a very niche arrangement to find.
I haven't seen anybody connect that maiden set and White Seance Ring to Havel. That's so sad and adds so much to Havel's story with Seath. Brilliant discovery to share!
I'm always impressed by the level of detail, love and dedication with every video of yours. It is truly magnificent to watching everything else, from other videos, coming together now. Good job Hawkshaw!!
What about Gwyndolin and Seath? Im pretty convinced that Seath experimented with his mother while he was in the womb too. Maybe Gwyndolin and Priscilla share the same mother as they r both 'gods' Further explaining the emotional attachment of Gwyndolin and Yorshka in DS3, he looked after her as a brother.
"Strong affiliation with the moon? Are you really the child of the Lord of Sunlight?"
Or perhaps attemting to experament on Gwyndolin without knowing they arent a cis girl?
Gwyndolin is born of priscilla and gwin
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I think Seath is controlling Ranni as his "fool's idol"
We were all fooled by the ever guiding moonlight...
Seathenheimer, pioneer of crystal magic.
hmmm i believe Seath's betrayal was far worse... the dragons had immortality through scales and invulnerability through the primordial crystal, as seen in Seath's fight. He is immune to harm until the crystal is destroyed. He betrayed his brethren, fulfilling part of his agenda and gaining immunity to violence by stealing the primordial crystal, leaving the ancient dragons vulnerable to attack.
Scaleless, he is still tied to time as he is yet not immortal. Through Gwyn's support as gratitude in his help in the war against the dragon he thought to gain the resources to continue his study of the dragons scales. The crystal outbreak and magic are results of Seath's experiments with the primordial crystal.
I do agree that he was desperately trying to find dragons to study their scales more closely as the remains of the war were unusable by now. The gaping dragon didn't wield any results, but he had discovered a way to contact another time, as the entrance into the past is directly tied to his archives and the crystal golems he controls... What if the rift for the dlc wasn't intended for the chosen undead to face the abyss, but for Seath to find and study or maybe even use the last recorded ancient dragon that was slain.
By the time the chosen undead ravages Lordran, moes through his channelers and destroys his objects of study, he is left to micromanage his his latest work and is ultimately left offguard when the undead arrives at his doorstep, defying his traps, guards and even guaranteed lethal attacks, proving impossible to stop.
Ironically his study only accomplished to send the chosen undead back in time to kill the dragon he was so keen on studying.
Damn, never thought about that, but Kalameet is said to have been a very close descendant of the original archdragons
And then when he gets there
'KALAMEET WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU'
'Turns out smoking kills *ehuck ureck cough splutter*'
This was a very insightful and eye-opening video, as usual. I had never really thought about Seath as being a helpful and widely respected scientist dragon for a time, but it all makes a lot of sense now.
I love dark souls lore, just so many interactions that you’d never think about until you read item descriptions
Impressive as always. You don't have a ton of videos on your channel, but the few ones you can make are gold! Keep up the good work.
After all this years see a new lore pieces is amazing, astonishing work! Thank you
think christopher nolan will ever make a movie about seath?
Seath is literally Death the Destroyer of Worlds
I can’t wait to hear this guy unpack Elden Ring’s lore. Hacksaw is right up there with Vaati in my book.
Vaati is just scratching at what hawkshaw is uncovering, still a great content creator though.
2022 and suddenly ds lore videos start popping up that perfectly explain everything as if you guys have been doing a doctorate on the topic for 10 years. Someone give these guys a diploma.
Most of the things that comes out of this man’s mouth are pure poetry
2:11 the fact that you are using fear ost from berserk 1997 while talking about seath's own fear is simply amazing
That Shadow of the Colossus intro song was perfectly placed, then you hit us with the Hollow Knight one.
You voicing lore over video game OST's is a pleasure on the ears.
Exactly
So glad y’all are back at the DS lore again. I’ve rewatched the old ones so many times that it’s refreshing to get a new dose
*"Everything is great. We got no time, no sun, no death. It is amazing."* (amazing)
*"We got this crystal shit that even makes us DOUBLE IMMORTAL."* (Don't even. Need it.)
I absolutely love that you use the music from Shadow of the Colossus in the beginning of the video. Good on ya!
The Duke’s Archives is my favorite area post Annor Londo
Huh, one thing I think isn't dwelt on enough is that Seath, being subject to emotions and truly mortal, actually has more in common with the lords and their progeny than any of the dragons. Can you imagine living a life as a twisted version of these immortal, cold emotionless things?
Food for thought: Seath was probably the first of the Dragonkind to have to worry about death and with no belief systems in place he would have had no one to turn to. And on top of that while he was born without immortality he is one of the last two dragons to die.
Dark souls 1 still has my favorite story/lore
the nostalgia i get from this game is amazing
Seath the Scaleless did it all. The albino dragon created humans, creating them in secret, incubating them within the Trees, in order to destroy his own kind. When people talk about Seath betraying his brothers, what they don't understand is that he created the humans, who would go on to claim the the Lord souls from the First Flame. That's the link between Humans and Dragons. Humans are fragments of the Pale Drake. And the first Flame? The First Flame is the soul of Seath. The soul of the Dragon is fire.
Gwyn didn't give a fragment of his soul to Seath. That was a lie, a lie to explain why we find a fragment of the Lord's soul within Seath. He gave up his soul in the pursuit of physical immortality.
So glad I rediscovered this channel
I’m so glad you’ve been back, I watched part of this during the premiere but was late, just finished it today at work. Amazing man. I hope you have more. I’ve been holding off on the Elden ring since I’m going 110% blind in it.
In dark souls 2 his soul is in the spider and he uses the mining town to dig up the dragons corpse so he can move into it. Which is why you have to collect the soul which is next to the corpse instead of just obtaining it after defeating the boss like the others
Trully well made video. I jsut realized that Seath was presumably the main character, until the chosen undead came but even then, he was, as you said, the most important character. The business of the first flame didn't bother him. Creating wonders for others? a mere distraction along the way. Gwyn, Witch and Nito? Mere stepping stones.
Dark Souls lore has become an integral part of my life.
I've noticed I write better when listening to your content. Can't thank you guys enough for all the random concepts you've helped me generate.
Amazing work, as always.
How much of this is interpretation of stuff and how much is filling the holes?
In any way, very interesting, very well done and your voice is a pleasure to listen to.
50% interpretation 40% "filling holes" and 10% actual lore... But there are better videos from him, like Siegmayer´s
A Dark Souls lore video that opens with Shadow of the Colossus music? Epic
Great video man, good to see it improve compared to the last one
Whether it's because this topic just had more content to cover, or you actually listened to feedback, or maybe I simply understand your intentions better now, I do not know, but I feel the videos really get better with every new release
I understand now that this is not *that* kind of video, but still, it would be good to see item descriptions of things you are talking about, just like you do with dialogues already
To see Hawkshaw posting new lore videos in 2022 feels like a dream I never want to wake up from.
This was an amazing lore video into Seath.
I instantly recognized that Rome total war soundtrack in the beginning, good taste.
Where in the world did you get the idea that Havel was in love with one of the maidens Seath kidnapped? And that the white seance ring originally belonged to Havel the rock?
Normally I dig your stuff, even if I don't buy it. Your recent Lautrec video was amazing. But this Seath video feels like fan fiction.
The White Seance Ring says that it is:
"A divine ring entrusted to the head bishop of the Way of White and apostle to Allfather Lloyd, uncle to Lord Gwyn."
Since Havel was an important Bishop in the Way of White, who also fought in the Dragon War, it is quite possible that he was also the Head Bishop.
That's a non-sequitor. By that logic any ring in the game could belong to any NPC with fingers, because it's "quite possible" it belongs to them.
I could even accept it was originally Havel's ring if there were other contextual clues that connected Havel to that corpse, but the idea that some random corpse wearing a ring "entrusted to the head bishop of the Way of White" means that corpse was therefore Havel's lover is complete gibberish.
There's a fine line between lore hunting and fan fiction, and this is deep in fan fiction territory.
@@tsarcastic3722 Touché. Although, being connected to the bishops of the Way of White is a much stronger connection than simply having fingers.
I think Hawkshaw explained this theory better in the "Ash Lake, Havel, and the Plot against the Gods" video.
Havel is described as both a Bishop of the way of white, and the arch enemy of Seathe by the great magic barrier miracle.
The ring of a maidens corpse in Seathes dungeon is said to belong to a bishop of the way of white.
If that ring did belong to Havel, it would explain why he was arch enemy to Seathe, as that maiden would be a loved one of Havels.
Havel is the only bishop of the way of white we know of, other than Allfather Lloyd, who is the uncle to Lord Gwyn, but the ring is specifically stated to not belong to him, as it belongs to one of his apostles.
I really like this theory of Hawkshaws, it’s not concrete obviously but given the information we have it’s much more likely than not. The other way to look at it is that this ring isn’t Havels, this maiden is just some random lady with a bishops ring, and Havel just decided to hate Seathe, who gave Havel and Gwyn the information on how to defeat the ancient dragons.
@@kalilmyers9498 The great magic barrier says Havel hates sorcery, wouldn't the simplest explanation be the guy who hunted dragons and hates sorceries want to kill a dragon that uses sorceries to finish his job?
This title aged well
This channel always has such great insights to a game that's around a decade old!! It's so entertaining to hear a fresh perspective. I hope you keep making this content Hawkshaw! Love it
There are 2 ways to be immortal.1 to avoid death, 2 is by spreading you genes. Seath try both methods. That's why he kidnapped women using his crystal golem and thrusting his crystalhalberd to these women and even to godess (gwyns wife)
We see his children from pris, yorshka (yorshka is probably just an old pris who got out of the painting), and gwyndolin.
Yes gwyndolin is seath's son. That's why he's pale, has an affinity to the moon, has snakes leg, and has the same song as moonlight butterfly (seath's creation). And gwyndolin probably blind as well
This is why gwyndolin said yorshka (whom he gave her name) that they are brother and sister.
Be careful you might pull a muscle with a stretch like that
*laughs* no
Yoooooo….. this is wicked cool… I never heard of most of this, and yet the theories on seath’s creation of dragons make so much sense.
I don’t think I have seen this mentioned before but I personally believe at least some of the inspiration for Seath the Scaless comes from a Russian/slavic?(not really sure) mythical character named Koschei the Deathless. He was a wizard who abducted the princess from some kingdom, and he could not be killed without destroying an object which contained his soul( i think its a babushka doll but again im not sure). Again, to my knowledge this has not been discussed by any of the main lore channels. With that being said it might just be incorrect, but i persnally believe the name(koschei the DEATHLESS/seath the SCALELESS) and the fact that they were both invincible until an external artefact is destroyed are both a little too specific to be nothing. I hope you read this as I think you could probably do the most with this info.
I loved the Fire Bird
Wonder of that guy was the inspiration for how D&D liches work.
This was very interesting to listen to! Good work. Hearing about what the players have to say about lore is probably my favorite thing in Dark Souls.
His insanely cool backstory is exactly the reason why he's the main badguy in my dark souls D&D campaign. Thank you mister Hawkshaw for these awesome insights!
Dark Souls DnD? Now that's something I'm interested in
I really love that you've came back. I missed your content.
Great video, Seath is the one part of the game I found most confusing all along. It’s rare that FS and Miyazaki make such an unsubtle and direct homage to King’s Field. While the series is full of little nods to the rpg series of old, Seath stands as the biggest and most blatant reference in the series. As a God and creator of the world of kings field, I expected you to at least mention it. If you do research in Japanese, I’m surprised if you don’t also play kings field, and study the lore surrounding Seath there as well.
Been watching you for a while man, love the content truly feels like you're own interpretation. Not just taken from wikipedia
I rarely comment on UA-cam, but Hawkshaw is worthy. The digging and investigating work done is incredible. So glad we’re getting new content again.
dark souls it´s nothing without this UA-cam lore videos...
agree my friend.
Brother really woke up and said, "I love spreading misinformation on the internet."
@manwithausername4089 Half of the stuff in this video is complete fabrication and not stated or even implied anywhere in Dark Souls 1.
*puffs joint* "Wow, that shits crazy" Miyazaki
Very good. I only have 1 question.
Do we know for sure that the Primordial Crystal was born in the First Flame? I've done a lot of reading into it and I've never come across that info. What's the source for this proposition?
I literally always thought seathe created it
Hawkshaw deserves more views, these are objectively the best lore videos on UA-cam.
Is it possible that the pregnant woman seath abducted that gave birth to Priscilla was actually the woman that Havel loved? We find havel's ring on her body. A ring that helps you to carry more weight. Perhaps he gave it to her in order to help her carry the weight of their unborn child?
Maybe this could explain why we find her dead in a cell. Seath furious with the abomination that was born torturing the women and allowing her to die. Idk just a thought I had while rewatching this lolol
Just recently found this channel, just wanted to say that this video alone made me subscribe right away after I regained my awareness after the ending. 🐉🤘
That had me really immersed, thank you!
This is a good story, but it fails to mention seath's relations with gwyndolin.
We know seath was obsessed with crystals (and by extension, crystal sorcery) as well as being obsessed with maidens. We know that gwyndolin was raised as a woman and kept secret from the rest of society, in addition to being naturally talented in the art of sorcery despite being born of the light soul.
Because of this, we have good reason to believe that seath would have eventually tried to experiment on gwyndolin at some point in time since nobody else would be aware of it, and perhaps he could have made some deal with gwyndolin in exchange for consent to experimentation. We know that Gwyndolin was mostly interested in protecting the memory of gwyn and trying to fill in his shoes so to speak, so maybe seath had tempted her. We know that other serpents have a knack for seduction, why should we hold seath to a higher standard?
Not only that but the music that plays during Gwyndolin's boss fight is the same as the moonlight butterfly, which is definitely something that can't be overlooked. Even it's name, MOONLIGHT butterfly draws a parallel to Gwyndolin who draws her power from the moon.
What most likely happened is that seath had somehow taken advantage of gwyndolin, corrupting her body to bear many imperfect serpents as well as learning of her moonlight sorcery. This leads to the production of the moonlight butterfly and eventually the gwnevere covenant brings maidens to seath for further experimentation. What does Gwyndolin get out of this deal?
Blackmail.
Seath being around before the birth of anor londo means that he was also around when gwyndolin was eventually born. Being in close proximity to the gods, he would most likely be aware of gwyndolin's birth despite the gods' wishes to keep her secret. Seath finds a way to gain access to gwyndolin, and gives her an offer that can't be refused. Either she go along with his wishes, have her body experimented upon and bring maidens for him to experiment, or else he will reveal her secret and force her to be exiled from Anor Londo.
This would be a perfect explaination for why gwyndolin remains in anor londo depite the gods hating her to begin with, it would explain why the gwnevere covenant keeps sacrificing it's own people to seath, it would explain why gwyndolin has snake legs, it would explain why gwyndolin and moonlight butterfly have the same music, it explains how seath created a creature with the power of moonlight despite moonlight being outside of his domain.
It fits so perfectly here, and I understand why it might not have been included since Gwyndolin as a subject is just as complicated everything else in dark souls.
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Being raised as a woman doesn't give you a uterus.
It's more likely Sheath experimented with Gwyndolyn's pregnant mother and that's why he/she was born the way she/he is.
@@shaunamerica5091 it's possible. Doesn't help that all of this is based on item descriptions haha
- Seath, you're an immoral monster!
- Yes, I am an actual monster, though immoral? You do realise I'm a giant dragon, yes? I dontt even have the same biology as you on the basest of levels, why would your morals be applicable to me?
Ah the crossbreed experiments.
One of my most favorites characters in the whole series! Thank you!
One of my least favorite.
Automatic watch! Incredible that a decade later, there's still more secrets and lore to uncover. Kudos to those willing to seek it out!