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Tbf, for how old the F4E is, its power is kinda crazy. Actually beats out a Mig-21by a margin. And that it can even keep up with an F-15, be it the E is amazing.
I was pretty disappointed. The guy flying the Mudhen was not good. No counter 2C on the deck, and no attempt to keep the fight high to take advantage of the Mudhen's bigger wings and better climb.
I get that the F-15E isn’t as nimble as a F-15C. However I still believe the E flight model is somewhat underperforming. Even though it’s a bit heavier and less nimble than the C it should still comfortably outperform a Phantom. Especially given that it has the big engines.
No, F-15E is considerably less maneuvrable than F-15C, the F-15E has only a slightly better thrust to weight ratio than F-4E (0.93 vs 0.85) so F-4E can indeed compete against it with a good pilot, F-15C has TWR of 1.07 by comparison.
@@Maverick966 A Strike Eagle with only AIM 9s and presumably with empty CFTs should have a Thrust to weight ratio significantly above 1 and also much higher than the Phantom. It should also have a lower wing loading. Keep in mind the variant in DCS has the bigger engine.
@@_ace_defective_ It‘s only about one ton heavier than the F15C. And its engines produce roughly 10,000 Ib more thrust than the engines on the C variant.
Gotta love the fact that even as thick as it is, the F-15 *still* has a Thust-to-Weight ratio somehwere close to 1, god forbid you ever try to out climb one if its lightly loaded...
Just as you got hit with the first missile an advert came up for the Red Cross asking for donations for world disasters. It surprised me because you managed to bail out.
😂😂😂 I remember that Bandit Unknown where GS merged with an Eagle and he was like "Now is that a Charlie or is that an E...... Oh yeah, that's an E. You can see his fat ass trying to turn.." 😂😂😂😂😂
I grew up and still live next to a small airport on the west coast that AF reserve and naval reserve fighters fly over once a week. They usually just make a low flyby but once in a while they will do a touch and go. I have taught my granddaughter how to tell the difference between an F/A-18 Hornet, the occasional F-16 from Kingsley field in Klamath falls Oregon and once in a great while a pair of F-15's, just by the sound of their engines. The F/A-18 has a higher pitch "scream" to their smaller pair of engines, the F-16 has a little bit more of a "roar" to it but it is has a single engine. The F-15 on the other hand drowns out the TV or stereo, a complaining wife (😉love you honey! 😘) scares the dog and literally shakes the house and ground!
That was cool how you blacked out man. Lucky! You can tell you didn't want to miss the second time dude, 2 missiles and guns lol. Great video and nice choice in fighters man.
Super interesting fight, a nice break from the one-circle HOBS fights! I do wonder what a (presumably) one-circle dogfight between the F/A-18C Hornet vs F/A-18E Super Hornet would look like!
Why did the USAF insist on adding as much "Cockpit cluster" in front of the pilot that he/she can't see the opponent back in the 60's? Another great video by the way...
I always thought that the Eagle was the next version of the Phantom; a high-powered general purpose monster. Where the Viper may be a rapier, the Eagle and the Phantom are blunt objects.
Nice kills! When I try flyin the F-4E or the F-5E on GS I just get smacked outa the sky by AIM 120Cs lol. PS. The GS server, at least for me, is one of the few that isn't plagued by constant and consistent frame time spikes like most servers since the last update. So that's something I have massively appreciated lately.
Hey GS...are there any jets you can put up that have the fake cockpit painted underneath the plane to make it look like it's upside down? I've seen it on some jets over the years. I'd like to see if it would actually be confusing when you are in a WEZ jamming dogfight and maneuvering closely.
Can we please get more long formed videos, like 30 minutes or longer. A suggestion I would have is maybe a series where you complete the paid campaigns would be interesting to see your play throughs. I know that it might not be worth your time because I’m the only one thats probably interested but hopefully you can consider my suggestion! Love your videos I’ve watched all of your videos to the very end, keep up the great work!
F-4 Phantom: A pair of monster engines with wings. F-15E: Hold my drop tanks. (Seriously, the Strike Eagle's engines put out as much thrust as the Phantom's when the Phantom is at full burner...)
I think a good alternative way to describe 1/2 circle fights would be nose-nose is one part of the aircraft said, so it's a 1 circle fight, and nose-tail is two parts of the aircraft said, so that's a 2 circle. The "sharing the circle" explanation makes me think of them going the same 1 direction and sharing the circle in that manner, which is confusing for me.
I don't recall the exact stat, but the F15 is capable of accelerating while flying straight vertical. I grew up on SJAFB (the SJ on the F15E in the video) and have watched them do vertical pulls like that at several airshows. The F15 is a large aircraft and has a lot of presence. I remember watching them phase out the F4E's at SJAFB in favor of the F15E back in the late 80's early 90's. Maybe you can do a multi-generation fighter-bomber mission with F22s providing air cover??
Hi GS! It happens that sometimes the resolution on your videos are not that sharp, as though you were running the sim on different machines or something? Not that I'm complaining; just want to know the reason for this. I always enjoy your vids, mate. Still not able to afford the rig I want to try this sim, but hopefully I'll be able to very soon. Cheers, bruh.
I would love to see Starfighter vs Strike Eagle, or Starfighter vs Phantom fox 2 guns fight. The Starfighter with its maneuver flaps lowered is supposed to turn and rate as well or just a bit better than the F-4
I'm actually a little sad how little we see differential thrust in these videos anymore. Like there's so many videos where it would have been awesome to see how differential thrust might have affected a fight.
10:16 - so at this point, if I'm the Eagle driver and being out rated, why not hit the AB and climb above you? That was one of the key points of the Eagle, "screw you guys, I'm going up..." The F4 doesn't have the power to follow, so the F15E can sit up there all day until it wants to come down...
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Can you do this fight from the perspective of the F-15E?
NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
Write on the blackboard 100 times:
'The Eagle can *always* follow you up'
Eagles are really good at up
@@frederickthesquirrel Maybe even the best at up.
Never get into a vertical fight with an Eagle or a turning fight with a Phantom.
@@malusignatius we need to have a contest between an EE Lightning and an Eagle to determine who goes up the best
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury Oh, I'd like to see that. :D
"i didn't expect him to plug the afterburner to climb."
She may be a fat eagle, but she's still an eagle.
"And I took that personally"
I was wondering if he was going to use the insane power of the phantom's engines against his opponents
Then I remember his opponent is an F15
The future is now, old man.
Tbf, for how old the F4E is, its power is kinda crazy. Actually beats out a Mig-21by a margin. And that it can even keep up with an F-15, be it the E is amazing.
When the thick boys fight is not what I expected to see from GS when I logged on YT today.
But I'm not disappointed
I was pretty disappointed. The guy flying the Mudhen was not good. No counter 2C on the deck, and no attempt to keep the fight high to take advantage of the Mudhen's bigger wings and better climb.
"This thing started climbing with me" got a good chuckle out of me
Still waiting for GS to drop his version of the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
What the heck. I got radar warning.
Breaking, we just lost shark 4-2
Pls God do it
Dawg I don't think it's dropping.
YEEEEES!!!!
@@lord_kermanDon’t lose hope!
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 79
Like that fight.... Yes GS!
4:06 "he's got a fox 2 off its actually coming over here!!" 😂
2 of the best looking fighters of all time in a wrestling match, great vid
I get that the F-15E isn’t as nimble as a F-15C. However I still believe the E flight model is somewhat underperforming. Even though it’s a bit heavier and less nimble than the C it should still comfortably outperform a Phantom. Especially given that it has the big engines.
No, F-15E is considerably less maneuvrable than F-15C, the F-15E has only a slightly better thrust to weight ratio than F-4E (0.93 vs 0.85) so F-4E can indeed compete against it with a good pilot, F-15C has TWR of 1.07 by comparison.
It's a lot heavier - like 3 tons heavier or so. I'm not really surprised at how much worse it performs.
@@Maverick966 A Strike Eagle with only AIM 9s and presumably with empty CFTs should have a Thrust to weight ratio significantly above 1 and also much higher than the Phantom. It should also have a lower wing loading. Keep in mind the variant in DCS has the bigger engine.
@@_ace_defective_ It‘s only about one ton heavier than the F15C. And its engines produce roughly 10,000 Ib more thrust than the engines on the C variant.
just to be clear, the F-15E with F100-PW-229s weighs roughly 3000kg more than the F-15C with F100-PW-220s, but also has nearly 5000kgf more thrust
Gotta love the fact that even as thick as it is, the F-15 *still* has a Thust-to-Weight ratio somehwere close to 1, god forbid you ever try to out climb one if its lightly loaded...
Just as you got hit with the first missile an advert came up for the Red Cross asking for donations for world disasters. It surprised me because you managed to bail out.
😂😂😂 I remember that Bandit Unknown where GS merged with an Eagle and he was like "Now is that a Charlie or is that an E...... Oh yeah, that's an E. You can see his fat ass trying to turn.." 😂😂😂😂😂
Two powerful airplanes, like a father and a son from McDonnell Douglas. 😊
Kid brother Hornet watching from the sidelines.
GS: Let's take two aircraft that are NEVER supposed to merge with ANYTHING and make the dogfight! 😀😀😀
Coming tomorrow: Elephant Ballet!
I grew up and still live next to a small airport on the west coast that AF reserve and naval reserve fighters fly over once a week. They usually just make a low flyby but once in a while they will do a touch and go. I have taught my granddaughter how to tell the difference between an F/A-18 Hornet, the occasional F-16 from Kingsley field in Klamath falls Oregon and once in a great while a pair of F-15's, just by the sound of their engines. The F/A-18 has a higher pitch "scream" to their smaller pair of engines, the F-16 has a little bit more of a "roar" to it but it is has a single engine. The F-15 on the other hand drowns out the TV or stereo, a complaining wife (😉love you honey! 😘) scares the dog and literally shakes the house and ground!
We typically just call them “E models”, mud hens, or B-15’s. 🤣
Years ago, I saw an OHANG F-4D (Rickenbacker ANGB Open House) with an F-16 painted on the splitter plate.
3:15 F-15 Space Shuttle Status Confirmed
This is the first time where one circle vs two circle has clicked for me. Nose to nose vs nose to tail.
I love that your intro is the audio of the tomcats smoking the two Libyan mig-23s. Keep up the great videos, and thanks for the entertainment.
I honestly would not have figured an old F-4 to outdo a Strike Eagle in a Fox-2 fight. Very informative.
A dogfight with the F4 Phantom against the F1 Mirage would be interesting
I've been asking to see a Su34M vs an F15E dogfight...hope to see it one day. Then both in a BVR...truck vs truck battle.
thank you for explaining everything. Makes it a lot easier to understand.
That was cool how you blacked out man. Lucky!
You can tell you didn't want to miss the second time dude, 2 missiles and guns lol. Great video and nice choice in fighters man.
F8 crusader the last gunfighter
F-8 Crusader "The Last Gunfighter" vs. the Gunstar in "The Last Starfighter."
@@IfoughtpiranhasNonsense- the Gunstar is perfect.
F-8 isnt available for this sim yet
4:26 this angle of the eagle is one of the prettiest looks of any jet imo
Great battles, I like these slow fights between decades of aeronautical engineering a lot!
This and Dos Equis made for an enjoyable afternoon
Thank you.
Always glad to see more of the F-4E on the channel
The Rock is Fightin Arnie!
Super interesting fight, a nice break from the one-circle HOBS fights!
I do wonder what a (presumably) one-circle dogfight between the F/A-18C Hornet vs F/A-18E Super Hornet would look like!
We used to watch them to max performance take offs with a bomb load at Shady J. Was fun to work on.
Why did the USAF insist on adding as much "Cockpit cluster" in front of the pilot that he/she can't see the opponent back in the 60's? Another great video by the way...
High thrust to weight ratio is a hell of a drug
Agreed. That was a good fight. Keep up the great work.
Great matchup! I never would have thought the F-4 could be relevant against any F-15 variant.
Fun fact: The F-4 nearly have the exact same thrust as the F-18 Hornet.
I always thought that the Eagle was the next version of the Phantom; a high-powered general purpose monster. Where the Viper may be a rapier, the Eagle and the Phantom are blunt objects.
F15 C is also a sword (like the F16). but the F15 E is a sledgehammer.
Have we Done F-14 With the Phoenix VS F/A-18 with the AIM-174 yet?
He made one yesterday
@@pilot7348 That was with the F-22, not the F-14.
F-14 would loose nearly everytime
@@Nebulachadlazzar
It'd still be cool to see.
Also you need to watch the F-14 vs J-20 video.
Why tho? Mods for DCS like that are basically fantasy, they got little to do with the real thing.
And the professor is holding class, awesome!
That was the craziest missile strike I've seen in a sim vid so far, lol
3:50 damn thing is a rocket with wings.
Nice flying 🪽, great video, you are truly amazing 👏👏👏 I would like to see some new dogfight videos with the SU-57
Can’t get enough of these videos
Nice kills! When I try flyin the F-4E or the F-5E on GS I just get smacked outa the sky by AIM 120Cs lol.
PS. The GS server, at least for me, is one of the few that isn't plagued by constant and consistent frame time spikes like most servers since the last update. So that's something I have massively appreciated lately.
You should post this on ThickThock
Hey GS...are there any jets you can put up that have the fake cockpit painted underneath the plane to make it look like it's upside down?
I've seen it on some jets over the years. I'd like to see if it would actually be confusing when you are in a WEZ jamming dogfight and maneuvering closely.
Can we please get more long formed videos, like 30 minutes or longer. A suggestion I would have is maybe a series where you complete the paid campaigns would be interesting to see your play throughs. I know that it might not be worth your time because I’m the only one thats probably interested but hopefully you can consider my suggestion! Love your videos I’ve watched all of your videos to the very end, keep up the great work!
F-4 Phantom: A pair of monster engines with wings.
F-15E: Hold my drop tanks.
(Seriously, the Strike Eagle's engines put out as much thrust as the Phantom's when the Phantom is at full burner...)
If anything im impressed the Phantom can keep up! Two amazing planes for sure.
For that first fight I'm not sure what's worse: that you tried to roll vertical with an Eagle, or that I think I might have made the same move.....
How about a 2 v 2 with F=5E vs F-4E? Both full upload of Sidewinders and Gun, and Sparrows for the Rhinos too.
want more f16 dogfight man
As always the cameraman lives no matter what happens 😂
could you an F-104 video perchance
I think a good alternative way to describe 1/2 circle fights would be nose-nose is one part of the aircraft said, so it's a 1 circle fight, and nose-tail is two parts of the aircraft said, so that's a 2 circle.
The "sharing the circle" explanation makes me think of them going the same 1 direction and sharing the circle in that manner, which is confusing for me.
I don't recall the exact stat, but the F15 is capable of accelerating while flying straight vertical. I grew up on SJAFB (the SJ on the F15E in the video) and have watched them do vertical pulls like that at several airshows. The F15 is a large aircraft and has a lot of presence. I remember watching them phase out the F4E's at SJAFB in favor of the F15E back in the late 80's early 90's.
Maybe you can do a multi-generation fighter-bomber mission with F22s providing air cover??
3:26 Cut AB!!!! Cut AB!!!!
does the optimal mach in the two circle stay the same in an aircraft or does it change as the aircraft opponent changes?
Would love to see a 2v1 or 2v2 dogfight to see how the tactics change
I'd like to see the Mig 25 in a dog fight with the F 15c. Been told the Mig 25 cannot dogfight but I'd still like to see it.
the phantom walked so the eagly can fly
Proof of concept well done.
Another great episode! Never would have thought about fat guys fighting. Well done.
The phantom may not be a great plane anymore but god damn it looks cool
You know, now I'm wondering how well it would work if you *could* strap the 9X onto the Phantom ...
That map is gorgeous.
I love the Phantom fights. The better you get at flying the F4, the more fun it gets. I guess we need to know at some point if the F4 can take a P51 😂
I still wanna see the F-15E vs an F-16i Sufa with all its extra weight.
I wonder when GS will ever fly the KF-21… but I shall wait 😊
Would love to see that heavily modernised Turkish F4. Or Gripen v F5
Hi GS! It happens that sometimes the resolution on your videos are not that sharp, as though you were running the sim on different machines or something? Not that I'm complaining; just want to know the reason for this. I always enjoy your vids, mate. Still not able to afford the rig I want to try this sim, but hopefully I'll be able to very soon. Cheers, bruh.
No that’s just DCS updates that are murdering game perform so I have to turn down resolution to keep up. We’ve had some very poor updates recently.
"Hunting Going" waiting mission GS bf3 waiting version f18 drop
Lets see it from the Eagles POV!
The f15E may not dogfight well but it still has that speed and climb advantage
Imagine the F-4 Phantom up against an F-111...
Now i want to see an F4 vs an F15C
I would love to see Starfighter vs Strike Eagle, or Starfighter vs Phantom fox 2 guns fight.
The Starfighter with its maneuver flaps lowered is supposed to turn and rate as well or just a bit better than the F-4
Jesster is an ironman. Didn't black out during the spin.
F-35 V J-20. FOX 3 FIGHT 👌
Let's see some WW2 stuff. Spitfires against the luftwaffe.
Mudhen laying down the law! Would fat-amy be the king (queen) in these "widebody" fights?
As the French didn't want the Eurofighter I would love to see it up against the Raffle. BVR and Dogfight.
I believe, on the rare occasions when I refer to that particular French fighter jet, I'm going to say "Raffle" from now on. Thank you, Sir.
@@n.w.1803 yep that's one f too many and not enough a's
Awesome. Great matchup.
I wanna see a pitts special with 30mm canon vs f16, guns only.
I'm actually a little sad how little we see differential thrust in these videos anymore. Like there's so many videos where it would have been awesome to see how differential thrust might have affected a fight.
The view at 04:27 would freeze your blood in real life.
Been waiting for this!!
AIM-174 vs AIM-54!
Just more proof the lead sled is the greatest multirole fighter of all time 🎉
10:16 - so at this point, if I'm the Eagle driver and being out rated, why not hit the AB and climb above you? That was one of the key points of the Eagle, "screw you guys, I'm going up..." The F4 doesn't have the power to follow, so the F15E can sit up there all day until it wants to come down...
F-15 ACTIVE vs F-18 HARV
🎤 💧
The E might be heavy but it's still a beast
P-38 Lightning vs F-35 Lightning II gun fight plox
Never never Ever try to out climb an Eagle.
Flying brick vs. flying brick
yo man can you show us your key binds great vid btw
The F-15. The only 4th gen with a jump button.