That grimoire card pretty much explained not ONLY the Sword Logic, but the sisters of the Osmium Throne Sathona, Xi Ro and Aurash's ascension into their Hive forms Savathun, Xivu Arath and Oryx...before we even knew they fucking existed. Mind...blown.
Wait, does that mean that the Queen who raises the army and conquers all is Oryx or Xivu-Arath? The tale of the Three Queens ends with the Queen with the army ruling all. It could be Oryx, for he is the God-King of the Hive, who rules the Throne World "High War", and directed communed with the Darkness. But Xivu-Arath was the one sister who must always test her strength, to become the strongest of all. While Savathun learnt the secrets of the universe with her Scapel, and Oryx lead the Hive with his Sword, Xivu-Arath crushed all that challenged with her Hammer. The Queen that wrote the book, the Queen that built the tower to the stars, and the Queen who raised the army. If that is accurate, that the Grimoire card provides insight to the the Three Sisters outside of the Book of Sorrows, then that means that Oryx was not the strongest. He was the Hive who ascended, yes, the one who communed with the Darkness, yes, but by logic he did not fight the most. He did not personally prove the Sword-Logic the most. He did not gain the most strength. Xivu-Arath did. Meaning... we need to prepare. Prepare for the wrath of Arath.
The queen who wrote the book: Auryx/Oryx The queen who built the tower to the stars: Savathun The queen who raised an army: Xivu Arath And I agree. In terms of sheer power, I think Xivu Arath will be terrifying. Because she pretty much IS the Sword Logic. By her very nature she defines the Sword Logic. But Savathun I think will ultimately be the last of the "Three Queens" we face. As the Mother-Morph, she seeks to evolve the Hive into something beyond even death. That's the purpose of the Deathsinger's Song (Of which Oryx's daughters created), the Oversoul and other Hive rituals. Her spawn I think will be the most horrifying of the them all, because they will be "complete". Able to pass in and out of the Ascendant realm as they see fit, not just when they die.
I really wish you could do all three, but for now, Queensbreakers, Swords, then Gally. But it honestly feels like 1a, 1b, 1c. Keep up the awesome work.
it was never really a bad gun. I've had the thing since week 3. it was more balanced then than it ever will be now(in terms of stats alone, disregarding the effect). they're afraid to try anything new now though. I still can't stand bloom on hand cannons. stupidest idea they've ever had.
is it possible red death is a weapon of sorrow? Its frame is the same as Shadow Price, a precision auto rifle left behind by toland. much like bad juju, which feeds death into your super, red death feeds death into your life force. the fact it's the same design as Shadow Price, and it's special ability much like bad juju, and that they are both pulse rifles, can't be coincidence.
I love your stories! I always enjoy them. You tell them the way they are meant to be heard! your next story should be the " Iron Gjalahorn ".. can't wait...
Arrik Haight given that toland's journal was used for ToM, then at the very least it's likely a build on bad juju's design. Given that toland had a much better understanding of the logic that these weapons feed on, I wouldn't say it's a straight up improvement. More like a modification
Had the same thought when Byf brought up the 'bastardized scout rifle frame'. Both are designs found within Toland's Journal, and I believe it could be argued that Touch of Malice follows the sword logic assuming I fully understand its meaning.
I remember using this weapon after unlocking its exotic perk. I knew that i had fired well over a full mag into multiple enemies but i didnt reload yet. when i looked at my super meter i saw that it was 3/4 of the way full and then looked back at the bad juju
Don't forget the fact that Bad Juju taps into Sword Logic in the sense that every enemy you defeat, you (or the gun) consumes the enemies power for yourself in form of super energy. Not only that, but it increases your damage output for the duration of String of Curses. So in a sense, not only are you consuming your enemy's power, but you're turning it against their allies for even further destruction. This information is what makes me consider the fact that Bad Juju is a Weapon of Sorrow: It simply LOVES destruction. Or namely, to "end all existance."
Hey Byf, I just wanted to say I've been following your videos for a while and I love the work you do! I would definitely say the swords need some explanation
Great and interesting job. Whoever got the idea of creating this whole lore universe is a genius. Btw, sick gameplay for a moment I thought you would enrage crota.
So i was crawling through some of your videos and i would like to bring up a point that you probably are already aware of.... The exotic ornament dragons bane seems more similar to a young worm except the fact that the top of the skull is not hinged like xol. Maybe the hunger references that it is a young worm or maybe its something the ahamkara share with the worm gods. Id love it if you revisited my favorite weapon of all time with the newest lore at hand. This also seems like the perfect time to bring back bad juju. If anyone can convince bungie, lore-wise that it should be beought back, its you. It might even do well in the current meta with the polaris lance and wisper of the worm as another exotic that regenerates ammo. I know you are busy right now with forsaken comming out and i know you have other games you are covering in your channel, like warframe and now possibly anthem, and i know that its probably too late to get bungie to add anything else... But its a cool idea to think about. Imagine if the "nightshade" vanguard pulse or even more accurately the 450 rpm full auto pulse "battle scar" just had a different skin and regenerative ammo, a shorter range, and rampage? New meta weapon lol. Anyways have a great day and thanks for your hard work!!! I always loved your lore videos! Keep up the great work and remember to take a break every now and then!!!
Bad Juju was my go to weapon from Day 1 after acquiring it & all the way up til now. It would be the one weapon i'd carry over if it was an option. One of the few exotics to never get a nerf in 3 years. Great Video Byf!
this rings true for that ghost fragment discribes the Hive as the queen of armies in sir wallens lore video...such a great piece here Byf do more please and i vote for QBB for the next
Ah. Bad juju. My favorite weapon period. Been waiting for this lore forever. It used to be so terrible and now ranks among the best of exotics. Even so, I stuck with bad juju all of year 1 as it was my first exotic. Even when it was terrible, I tried to make it work. To little success of course. Now it plows through enemies. A fantastic weapon.
One of the most frustrating things about Destiny for me is the timeline. Can we have all the lore guys just sit down and go through all the historic events and lay them down in order? We know that Destiny takes place 700 years in the future, so that would be our controlled factor. All we need to do is figure out where everything fits and when they take place within that timeframe.
Great video, A Warlock taking on Crota alone!! Oh and the Toland and Bad Juju lore was good too. Other than Obsidian Mind and Nova Bomb, alon with Bad Juju, what else was the Warlock using to take on the Son of Oryx?
Byf, Great lore discussion. Been using bad juju a lot more recently and so it was great to learn more about it. I did have an interesting thought after watching the video though. We see bones on a lot of gear and weapons in Destiny like bad juju, Bones of Eao (a lore video on those would be cool, by the way!), Ahamkara's spine, etc. Why do you believe, in a loremaster's mindset, Guardians would add bones to their gear? I feel as if it could be some sort of tribal trophy collection culture. A sort of "look what I've had to kill to survive" sort of survivalist impression. Or maybe that could be hive culture influencing toland? Just a thought. Bad juju for some reason looks like a gun someone made to survive. Not to look cool or fancy but simply to survive. Anyways, just wanted to share my impressions. Just had a quick question I'll leave you with. I sometimes feel there are weapon types more suited to guardian classes (scout/hand cannon for hunter, pulse for warlock, auto for titan). Do you feel the primary exotic weapons could be unofficially assigned to each class? Anyways, thanks for your time and the video!
U are a very good storyteller! Ur voice is unique and the way u say things bring words to color. Ur reading skills are dope too i deff would mess a couple of those words up lmao
definetly the Exotic Swords. I am intrigued to see what further Lore we may find on them. Also, since it was made from a shard of Willbreaker, the Lore of that weapon would tie in I imagine. Speaking of which, since you reminded me of it, there is a parallel between the Grimoire Card you read and the Hive. The three queens of the nation of armies could reference Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath. The story does in simplified terms parallel the story of the Hive. Also, to a degree, the mention of the city where the three queens built armies, towers, and laws together may reference the last city, and it's fate may be what Toland seems as happening. Thinking back to a video you made on corrupted Gaurdians or Warlocks (I am quite certain it was you), if that is true, Toland truly is the most corrupt Guardian we know of to date. Osiris and Timur to degrees may also have been mad, but neither hated the city now believed in it's destruction. Only Toland seems to have. A Lore video on Toland would be interesting to see. I'm certain there are gaps in my knowledge of him.
I couldn't help but notice that there are two quotes/references to The Judge from Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy in the How Do I Explain It grimoire card. The first is from the segment "The Judge on War" and the second from when he describes why he destroys things he encounters.
Lol byf wouldn't choose it as a topic if it was just a wire rifle besides is a "modified fallen wire rifle" meaning it has back story aka lore sooooooo yeah do queens byf
@6:25 "Imagine three great nations under three great queens. The first queen writes a great book of law and her rule is just. The second queen builds a high tower and her people climb it to see the stars. The third queen raises an army and conquers everything." The second queen here I'm guessing to be Xivu Arath, could the high tower described in this passage be the one we will encounter in Shadowkeep?
In prerelease you could see that Scout Rifle models were 3-burst back during the E3 2013 showing. That's why it uses a weapon frame of a scout rifle, because all Scout Rifle models were Pulse Rifles at a certain point
What it do, Legend!?!?!?! great vid.. you just slay lore. . love it!!! next vid vote is for Queens Breakers Bow ( a lot of lore there I bet), then the Exotic Swords... my bolt caster is durty hurty.. both are much more fascinating then the Siva GhallahHaHaBoring.. thanks for the great content
I had an idea about a weapon called "wonderers side-kick" and its a hand-cannon that has a head of an eagle on the barrel with the spines running along it
They're forged from a shard of Willbreaker, Oryx's blade. We had to collect additional pieces of Hadium to make a blade to attach to it, then purify and feed it. It's astonishing how we managed that lore wise (and the guys at FFC have some interesting theories relating to this, among other things), but it's general knowledge. What I'd like to see is QBB. There's not a massive amount on it, and I'd like to see what Byf finds that I've missed.
@MyNameIsByf, perhaps the new raid lair being called the spire or stars is a reference to the card at 6:44, and references one of the remaining hive queens, Xivu Arath or Savathun. Maybe we'll meet one of them or one of their minions there?
Red Devil we may believe the ahamkara have been hunted to extinction, but I vaguely remember obscure references to sightings of them within the grimoire. And I agree with Strangers to love, death is not a lack of existence for the hive and their powers.
Well here's something that I think may help with Bad Juju. I believe that the power contained within Juju comes from the ominous glow in its eyes. The majority of Hive weapons we yields involve an Eerie green glow. I think from what we have seen amongst the hive, Toland found the secret of the Hive and in more depth, he found a power that matches the DeathSingers or even Crota himself. Some of the pages in Toland's journal saw him understanding and trying to adapt the Darkness to the power of the light, but failing in a sense. Toland's favorite weapon was a scout rifle that was modified by the Gunsmith to be full auto and tried to infuse both the power of Darkness and Light, but the light was swallowed by the the Darkness and the Hive Ruins used in the ritual to make Bad Juju. The Skull and Bones used in the making of the gun were from a Baby Ahamkara that was said to be the one of the last of its kinda. Something Toland his from the City and the Vanguard but something that didn't survive long in its lifespan, dying at Birth. Toland used the Baby's Skull and Spine to contain the power of the Darkness but found that the Eyes glowed with an energy that showed its hunger. A hunger that is satisfied with kills, yet never really satisfied at all. Toland first use of the weapon almost cost him his own light but he then finds comfort in knowing that the hunger of the weapon and his hunger for more knowledge of the Darkness were one in the same. This is just speculation, but one of Toland's disciples, a young Warlock by the name of Gaildion, is seen that his master's light grows more corrupt and that the Vanguard are close to finding out his hidden secrets and decided to hide the Journal on Venus, which is the last place Gaildion was seen. But that's all I know amongst myself.
I think it makes sense for Bad Juju to be one of the weapons of sorrow as with it the list is filled out. We have a auto rifle (Nechrochasm), a hand cannon (Thorn), a scout (TOM) and then the pulse, Bad Juju, and the sword logic, being adapted by the hive is integral to the weapon, adding the hive element.
I would definitely think it is linked to the animkra due to its definition - if you believe this weapon will end the world so shall it- believing could also be another form of a wish. Giving what we know now of riven and the other animkra still having the power to grant wishes even after their deaths. Just the bones have powers and whispers. Just a thought
nice video but I think you should do a "legends of destiny" video for toland and mention the description of the Kings fall raid ship you might find it interesting
not an exotic but the strangers rifle bin playing this game since the beginning and well can't shake this weird feeling about it not the not time to explain the proper strangers I know there was a video on it before but that was more of a addition video
Remember when Bad Juju was laughed at for how bad it was? Now it's one of the best weapons in Destiny.
Lenny but was shit, but also due to pulse rifles had very low dmg
yes i was laughed for using it in VOG. It was my first exotic weapon.
chemun76 lol thats undurstandable but not to bad i guess
WhiplashSL it sucked then it was extremely good along with red death annnnnnnnnnnnnnd nerfed
WhiplashSL its an invaluable asset to have playing pve
Time for an update! :D
That grimoire card pretty much explained not ONLY the Sword Logic, but the sisters of the Osmium Throne Sathona, Xi Ro and Aurash's ascension into their Hive forms Savathun, Xivu Arath and Oryx...before we even knew they fucking existed. Mind...blown.
Ozzy Dowery man this was a crazy video, best and worst thing about destiny is you have to read grimoire to really connect to the story
Wait, does that mean that the Queen who raises the army and conquers all is Oryx or Xivu-Arath? The tale of the Three Queens ends with the Queen with the army ruling all.
It could be Oryx, for he is the God-King of the Hive, who rules the Throne World "High War", and directed communed with the Darkness. But Xivu-Arath was the one sister who must always test her strength, to become the strongest of all.
While Savathun learnt the secrets of the universe with her Scapel, and Oryx lead the Hive with his Sword, Xivu-Arath crushed all that challenged with her Hammer.
The Queen that wrote the book, the Queen that built the tower to the stars, and the Queen who raised the army.
If that is accurate, that the Grimoire card provides insight to the the Three Sisters outside of the Book of Sorrows, then that means that Oryx was not the strongest. He was the Hive who ascended, yes, the one who communed with the Darkness, yes, but by logic he did not fight the most. He did not personally prove the Sword-Logic the most. He did not gain the most strength.
Xivu-Arath did.
Meaning... we need to prepare. Prepare for the wrath of Arath.
The queen who wrote the book: Auryx/Oryx
The queen who built the tower to the stars: Savathun
The queen who raised an army: Xivu Arath
And I agree. In terms of sheer power, I think Xivu Arath will be terrifying. Because she pretty much IS the Sword Logic. By her very nature she defines the Sword Logic.
But Savathun I think will ultimately be the last of the "Three Queens" we face. As the Mother-Morph, she seeks to evolve the Hive into something beyond even death. That's the purpose of the Deathsinger's Song (Of which Oryx's daughters created), the Oversoul and other Hive rituals. Her spawn I think will be the most horrifying of the them all, because they will be "complete". Able to pass in and out of the Ascendant realm as they see fit, not just when they die.
You found my brother I see.
What’s good, man!?
Whats good, its been a while
You are all *so fucking annoying*
Lord Shaxx let’s be friends
what the fuck am I looking at here
I really wish you could do all three, but for now, Queensbreakers, Swords, then Gally. But it honestly feels like 1a, 1b, 1c. Keep up the awesome work.
That part about the three queens sounds suspiciously like Oryx and his siblings and how they rule over the Hive.
fredsite100 because it is
One major difference is, his sisters are queens, but oryx is a king. Yes he was female before. But that was before he became hive
oryx confirmed to have grown a dick out for the worm gods.
father... jk, but that was before arash became auryx who became oryx
fredsite yep, I'm pretty sure that's who they are
Who remembers when bad juju and thorn were both the worst weapons in destiny lol if your a vanilla destiny player you know what I'm talking about
yeah
My memory of silimar never forgets.
Alex Bolanos thorn was my first exotic in year one i was so disappointed that i scrapped it
it was never really a bad gun. I've had the thing since week 3.
it was more balanced then than it ever will be now(in terms of stats alone, disregarding the effect).
they're afraid to try anything new now though.
I still can't stand bloom on hand cannons. stupidest idea they've ever had.
Alex Bolanos I remember. The bad juju was my first exotic primary. I was very disappointed with it. Now I love it and the new ornaments!
So it's powered by the sword logic.....but it's a gun? Gun logic?
EpicGamerzFail sounds about right
EpicGamerzFail videogame Logic
Live by the sword die by the gun
Toland is the man and the Bad Juju did suck as a weapon but now is an amazing weapons. I hope to see or hear more about Toland in Destiny 2
Madd Hatter I like your style Legend. :)
we just had to keep using the badjuju in y1 until it grew strong enough (gotpatched)
im from the future
just wait 2 years
Bruh... wishes granted
is it possible red death is a weapon of sorrow? Its frame is the same as Shadow Price, a precision auto rifle left behind by toland.
much like bad juju, which feeds death into your super, red death feeds death into your life force.
the fact it's the same design as Shadow Price, and it's special ability much like bad juju, and that they are both pulse rifles, can't be coincidence.
I need some of that juicy Queen-breakers bow Lore Probably my favorite exotic as of now
I'll second that. I'd like to learn more about that.
Drake Bonds Yo! I know right!?!?!!!
Gimme that Que Bow Lore...
ive had a queens bow since HoW and ive never actually used it...
Who else is watching this after D2 Bad juju release?
MaxRedOne 1 i did
Hey, me too!
Yes
Me
Literally everybody who has liked or replied to your comment.
How great is it to go back and do the stuff that used to be difficult for us and just stomp it?
I love your stories! I always enjoy them. You tell them the way they are meant to be heard! your next story should be the " Iron Gjalahorn ".. can't wait...
What if Bad Juju is a failed attempt at the touch of malice?
Arrik Haight oh thats interesting
That is a very interesting theory. It would be cool if it was. the touch of malice and bad juju both have roots in hive magic.
Wow did not think of that that.
Arrik Haight given that toland's journal was used for ToM, then at the very least it's likely a build on bad juju's design. Given that toland had a much better understanding of the logic that these weapons feed on, I wouldn't say it's a straight up improvement. More like a modification
Had the same thought when Byf brought up the 'bastardized scout rifle frame'. Both are designs found within Toland's Journal, and I believe it could be argued that Touch of Malice follows the sword logic assuming I fully understand its meaning.
I remember using this weapon after unlocking its exotic perk. I knew that i had fired well over a full mag into multiple enemies but i didnt reload yet. when i looked at my super meter i saw that it was 3/4 of the way full and then looked back at the bad juju
been waiting a while for this one. Thanks Byf. The only thing better than playing this game is watching your lore videos.
Great Vid sir! Do Queensbreakers next please!
Bloody brilliant video Byf. I have been waiting for the Juju video for forever. and now, I can see that my wait, was rewarded. thank you!
Man Byf, doing the Bow would be amazing. Lots of stuff to tie in and you can talk about the Queen herself, who is a fascinating character.
Don't forget the fact that Bad Juju taps into Sword Logic in the sense that every enemy you defeat, you (or the gun) consumes the enemies power for yourself in form of super energy.
Not only that, but it increases your damage output for the duration of String of Curses. So in a sense, not only are you consuming your enemy's power, but you're turning it against their allies for even further destruction.
This information is what makes me consider the fact that Bad Juju is a Weapon of Sorrow: It simply LOVES destruction. Or namely, to "end all existance."
I LOVE THESE LORE VIDS THIS IS ALL THAT IVE BEEN WATCHING FOR THE PAST MONTH
Hey Byf, I just wanted to say I've been following your videos for a while and I love the work you do! I would definitely say the swords need some explanation
This is was great for Halloween season. You're narrative cadence is on point, sir.
This video just makes me love bad juju even more. It was my first pulse rifle and still one of my favorite exotics.
Do queenbreakers. Things lit. Or swords... but fuck siva gjally. swords or queens.
Clorox Bleach .
make your mind up XD
there isn't much more on it tho it's just a vandals sniper that's pretty much it
Dorito Joe Actually it was owned by the vandals who turned on the queen
I watch most, if not all of your videos, and this one is clearly exceptional! Thank you.
Great and interesting job. Whoever got the idea of creating this whole lore universe is a genius. Btw, sick gameplay for a moment I thought you would enrage crota.
Xur is selling Bad Juju today, the lore behind it has convinced me to get it
I would love to hear you thoughs on Dredgen Yor and the Thorn in Relation to this and his fall as a Guardian
This is the video I've been waiting for you to make forever! Thank you Byf
Has always been my favorite weapon of all time. Thanks for this!
So i was crawling through some of your videos and i would like to bring up a point that you probably are already aware of.... The exotic ornament dragons bane seems more similar to a young worm except the fact that the top of the skull is not hinged like xol. Maybe the hunger references that it is a young worm or maybe its something the ahamkara share with the worm gods. Id love it if you revisited my favorite weapon of all time with the newest lore at hand.
This also seems like the perfect time to bring back bad juju. If anyone can convince bungie, lore-wise that it should be beought back, its you.
It might even do well in the current meta with the polaris lance and wisper of the worm as another exotic that regenerates ammo.
I know you are busy right now with forsaken comming out and i know you have other games you are covering in your channel, like warframe and now possibly anthem, and i know that its probably too late to get bungie to add anything else... But its a cool idea to think about.
Imagine if the "nightshade" vanguard pulse or even more accurately the 450 rpm full auto pulse "battle scar" just had a different skin and regenerative ammo, a shorter range, and rampage? New meta weapon lol.
Anyways have a great day and thanks for your hard work!!! I always loved your lore videos! Keep up the great work and remember to take a break every now and then!!!
thank you I always wondered about bad juju
Bad Juju was my go to weapon from Day 1 after acquiring it & all the way up til now. It would be the one weapon i'd carry over if it was an option. One of the few exotics to never get a nerf in 3 years. Great Video Byf!
Love these videos. Was excited to see Bad Juju today. Easily in my top 3 weapons in Destiny.
Breath takingly, spine shivering lore!!!!
Gotta say i'm most interested in the swords. Specifically how guardians purify willbreaker/use it with the sword logic.
this rings true for that ghost fragment discribes the Hive as the queen of armies in sir wallens lore video...such a great piece here Byf do more please and i vote for QBB for the next
I'm curious to see the lore behind Queenbreaker's Bow. Epic videos by the way!
I love lore on darkness weapons.
Queen breakers bow would be pretty cool to look into.
Exotic Swords sounds pretty great! I have to agree with you Byf, Bad JuJu is my favorite exotic too!
Ah. Bad juju. My favorite weapon period. Been waiting for this lore forever. It used to be so terrible and now ranks among the best of exotics. Even so, I stuck with bad juju all of year 1 as it was my first exotic. Even when it was terrible, I tried to make it work. To little success of course. Now it plows through enemies. A fantastic weapon.
One of the most frustrating things about Destiny for me is the timeline. Can we have all the lore guys just sit down and go through all the historic events and lay them down in order? We know that Destiny takes place 700 years in the future, so that would be our controlled factor. All we need to do is figure out where everything fits and when they take place within that timeframe.
Yo, PLEASE revisit this now that we know more about Toland! I hope you're well, sir. Keep up the great work!
The bad juju was my first exotic, I wished that it was on destiny 2
Your wish is granted.
Well...
Bruh...
Dude, I really appreciate all the videos. you're the man.
Great video, A Warlock taking on Crota alone!! Oh and the Toland and Bad Juju lore was good too. Other than Obsidian Mind and Nova Bomb, alon with Bad Juju, what else was the Warlock using to take on the Son of Oryx?
Byf,
Great lore discussion. Been using bad juju a lot more recently and so it was great to learn more about it.
I did have an interesting thought after watching the video though. We see bones on a lot of gear and weapons in Destiny like bad juju, Bones of Eao (a lore video on those would be cool, by the way!), Ahamkara's spine, etc. Why do you believe, in a loremaster's mindset, Guardians would add bones to their gear? I feel as if it could be some sort of tribal trophy collection culture. A sort of "look what I've had to kill to survive" sort of survivalist impression. Or maybe that could be hive culture influencing toland? Just a thought. Bad juju for some reason looks like a gun someone made to survive. Not to look cool or fancy but simply to survive.
Anyways, just wanted to share my impressions. Just had a quick question I'll leave you with. I sometimes feel there are weapon types more suited to guardian classes (scout/hand cannon for hunter, pulse for warlock, auto for titan). Do you feel the primary exotic weapons could be unofficially assigned to each class?
Anyways, thanks for your time and the video!
I'd like to see a vid on the queenbreaker because it would be pretty unique
U are a very good storyteller! Ur voice is unique and the way u say things bring words to color. Ur reading skills are dope too i deff would mess a couple of those words up lmao
Bad juju was my first exotic weapon and it still sits with me every where I go
definetly the Exotic Swords. I am intrigued to see what further Lore we may find on them. Also, since it was made from a shard of Willbreaker, the Lore of that weapon would tie in I imagine. Speaking of which, since you reminded me of it, there is a parallel between the Grimoire Card you read and the Hive. The three queens of the nation of armies could reference Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath. The story does in simplified terms parallel the story of the Hive. Also, to a degree, the mention of the city where the three queens built armies, towers, and laws together may reference the last city, and it's fate may be what Toland seems as happening. Thinking back to a video you made on corrupted Gaurdians or Warlocks (I am quite certain it was you), if that is true, Toland truly is the most corrupt Guardian we know of to date. Osiris and Timur to degrees may also have been mad, but neither hated the city now believed in it's destruction. Only Toland seems to have. A Lore video on Toland would be interesting to see. I'm certain there are gaps in my knowledge of him.
Those Toland cards are some of my favorites concerning the sword logic.
Can i get some Black Spindle lore? Also i just realized Byf is the Vaatividya of Destiny
Their voices are so similarly soothing too
I'd like you to do one on red death at some point if there is any lore whatsoever, but I would most like to see queenbreaker's bow for the next video.
+Wait a second Thanks, but I'd also like Byf to do a video on it.
I'd love to hear about the queensbreakers bow. Always wondered what that weapon was about.
I like how because of how cryptic and hidden destiny's lore is, it's seekers like Byf and Mylain are scholar's of it.
p.s. I mean that as a good thing
I couldn't help but notice that there are two quotes/references to The Judge from Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy in the How Do I Explain It grimoire card. The first is from the segment "The Judge on War" and the second from when he describes why he destroys things he encounters.
Yeah, I love Bad Juju. It IS a kickass gun in PVE. in fact, I think it may do very nicely in the hard raid. I must try it out.
Please do Queenbreaker's bow. It's often ignored lore-wise because it isn't "Arcane" or "Mythic", but I really want to know the story behind it
I agree with you man please do queens
it is a fallen wire rifle, all the lore you need
Lol byf wouldn't choose it as a topic if it was just a wire rifle besides is a "modified fallen wire rifle" meaning it has back story aka lore sooooooo yeah do queens byf
The intresting part isn't the weapon itself, but rather the context in wich it is used: that is the Reef wars and House Wolves' rebellion.
Damn that was a great vid byf. Do the exotic swords pls!
As always excellent story telling. love this aspect of the game.
@6:25 "Imagine three great nations under three great queens. The first queen writes a great book of law and her rule is just. The second queen builds a high tower and her people climb it to see the stars. The third queen raises an army and conquers everything."
The second queen here I'm guessing to be Xivu Arath, could the high tower described in this passage be the one we will encounter in Shadowkeep?
Now that's exciting
back after shadowkeep. it’s not. and it sucks.
I'd love to hear about the Queenbreakers Bow! Such a fun gun.
In prerelease you could see that Scout Rifle models were 3-burst back during the E3 2013 showing. That's why it uses a weapon frame of a scout rifle, because all Scout Rifle models were Pulse Rifles at a certain point
i get triggered when i hear e3 2013 because it reminds me of the trailer that is nothing like what destiny became
"we wanted the game to be exiting and a plase where you wold want to go back to" lol
TheMegaMagikarp U right mate
TheMegaMagikarp then why does reddeath look like an autoriffle??
good point
unending deluge! That joke was good. I'd like a Queenbreaker video
Invective's Iconoclast Ornament has the same triangle symbol as Bad Juju, Thorn, and Necrochasm's scope.
THAT was intense..... what do you think happened to Toland that pushed him so far over the edge into madness? and my vote is in the Gajallhorn
The videos are always perfectly timed with the gameplay.. lol
What it do, Legend!?!?!?!
great vid.. you just slay lore. . love it!!!
next vid vote is for
Queens Breakers Bow ( a lot of lore there I bet),
then the Exotic Swords...
my bolt caster is durty hurty..
both are much more fascinating
then the Siva GhallahHaHaBoring..
thanks for the great content
Please do a lore video on the conflict between the thorn and the last word
I had an idea about a weapon called "wonderers side-kick" and its a hand-cannon that has a head of an eagle on the barrel with the spines running along it
excellent lore rendering thx
Do the swords because im completely unsure why they are here lorewise plz swords
Marco De Wit, they are the remnants of the Physical form of Willbreaker, the sword of Oryx. They are the purest form of Sword Logic we use.
The 52nd Timelord
They're forged from a shard of Willbreaker, Oryx's blade. We had to collect additional pieces of Hadium to make a blade to attach to it, then purify and feed it. It's astonishing how we managed that lore wise (and the guys at FFC have some interesting theories relating to this, among other things), but it's general knowledge. What I'd like to see is QBB. There's not a massive amount on it, and I'd like to see what Byf finds that I've missed.
@MyNameIsByf, perhaps the new raid lair being called the spire or stars is a reference to the card at 6:44, and references one of the remaining hive queens, Xivu Arath or Savathun. Maybe we'll meet one of them or one of their minions there?
Queen breakers bow please. LOVE love love. your videos Byf! Keep em up!
Queen breaker's bow has a lore? I'd like to hear that tbh.
Just a thought, maybe Toland got some knowledge from the Ahamkara. Thus why Ahamkara skull on the ornament.
theory: the ahamkara were teachers to the hive in the sword logic
Exotic Sworddsssssss. I would really enjoy lore on those
You give life to the weapons.
Congrats Byf! The Dragonsbane skin basically confirms your ideas about the worm gods being ahamkara, relating back to the sword logic
but what I don't get is how are the hive alive if the worm god are extinct?
Red Devil Probably for the same reason their bones speak to us; in their terms, death is relative.
Red Devil we may believe the ahamkara have been hunted to extinction, but I vaguely remember obscure references to sightings of them within the grimoire. And I agree with Strangers to love, death is not a lack of existence for the hive and their powers.
true this is very interesting.
Well here's something that I think may help with Bad Juju. I believe that the power contained within Juju comes from the ominous glow in its eyes. The majority of Hive weapons we yields involve an Eerie green glow. I think from what we have seen amongst the hive, Toland found the secret of the Hive and in more depth, he found a power that matches the DeathSingers or even Crota himself. Some of the pages in Toland's journal saw him understanding and trying to adapt the Darkness to the power of the light, but failing in a sense. Toland's favorite weapon was a scout rifle that was modified by the Gunsmith to be full auto and tried to infuse both the power of Darkness and Light, but the light was swallowed by the the Darkness and the Hive Ruins used in the ritual to make Bad Juju. The Skull and Bones used in the making of the gun were from a Baby Ahamkara that was said to be the one of the last of its kinda. Something Toland his from the City and the Vanguard but something that didn't survive long in its lifespan, dying at Birth. Toland used the Baby's Skull and Spine to contain the power of the Darkness but found that the Eyes glowed with an energy that showed its hunger. A hunger that is satisfied with kills, yet never really satisfied at all. Toland first use of the weapon almost cost him his own light but he then finds comfort in knowing that the hunger of the weapon and his hunger for more knowledge of the Darkness were one in the same. This is just speculation, but one of Toland's disciples, a young Warlock by the name of Gaildion, is seen that his master's light grows more corrupt and that the Vanguard are close to finding out his hidden secrets and decided to hide the Journal on Venus, which is the last place Gaildion was seen. But that's all I know amongst myself.
I've got this weapon from Xur, it became one of my favorite best weapons in the game.
Hey Byf, see the green triangles on the Bad Juju? Thorn has the exact same triangle symbol just below the sights. I believe theyre connected some how
Please do a lore video on year 3 ghallarhorn! I would love to know about it!
I think it makes sense for Bad Juju to be one of the weapons of sorrow as with it the list is filled out. We have a auto rifle (Nechrochasm), a hand cannon (Thorn), a scout (TOM) and then the pulse, Bad Juju, and the sword logic, being adapted by the hive is integral to the weapon, adding the hive element.
would love to hear more about queensbreakers bow!
The remnants of Willbreaker would be a good hour.
would love to hear more about the queen breakers bow
Exotic swords would be a video for all classes and players, plus on just the storyline and how oryx himself produced the sword fragments
Queen Breakers Bow PLEASE! Love your vids btw. keep it up
I would definitely think it is linked to the animkra due to its definition - if you believe this weapon will end the world so shall it- believing could also be another form of a wish. Giving what we know now of riven and the other animkra still having the power to grant wishes even after their deaths. Just the bones have powers and whispers. Just a thought
I would like a lore episode on exotic swords !
nice video but I think you should do a "legends of destiny" video for toland and mention the description of the Kings fall raid ship you might find it interesting
I really like The lore videos you put out. Good Job
not an exotic but the strangers rifle bin playing this game since the beginning and well can't shake this weird feeling about it not the not time to explain the proper strangers I know there was a video on it before but that was more of a addition video
skullcandy wonderland No time to Explain
was asking for just the strangers rifle not the no time to to explain I know theres one for the no time
skullcandy wonderland Myelin games has a great video on The Stranger and Maya Sundaresh, which if I remember goes into some detail on NTTE and TSR
Eats a duck
Maybe you could do black spindle at one point if there's enough lore?