So… was the Triforce actually obtainable in Ocarina of Time?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Was there any truth to one of gaming's most famous mysteries?
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Can you imagine just dropping a bomb arbitrarily in some random unmarked spot in Hyrule Field and just finding a grotto that has a standard wooden chest that holds the triforce? You just find it there and it does absolutely nothing.
Kind of hilarious tbh. Like it's just unremarkable
Kind of like how in the original Legend of Zelda you had to burn every bush you could find and bomb every rock you could looking for secrets.
or worse, imagine it was one of the items you needed to trade to NPCs during the biggoron's sword quest
I remember reading stuff like this a lot as a kid just trying to find guides for the game. Really takes me back.
Watching this after triforce % debut at AGDQ makes me realize how impressive that really was.
same
You should watch RGME's video that goes in-depth on the topic: ua-cam.com/video/qBK1sq1BQ2Q/v-deo.html
@@BryceDixonDev yes please!
but the thing with triforce% was that even though it wasn't modded before gameplay they used ACE which is basically a way to mod the game during gameplay with certain controller inputs and use of TASbot so it isn't truly getting the triforce since the triforce never existed in OoT.
While I can't say that the Triforce% run was fake and that they lied to everyone by telling people the cart was unmodded (because at the start, this was true).. they were being disingenuous by modding the cart in real lime using ACE. Straight up telling everyone at the start that this was data that was left on the cart is an outright lie though. It didn't bother me overly much at first, but the amount of "casual" folk who've since come to me telling me they finally found the triforce cause they saw that run, has made me pretty sour on it, and the people who did it while they SHOULD be praised for the ingenuity and technical wizardry, instead, I feel contempt because they tried to deceive the audience. Simply pre-facing the run with "We're going to mod the cart in real time to simulate what the game could look like if a lot of beta elements were re-added into it" would have sufficed.
I think the footage where Link finds the Triforce was just the devs showing off what Link's iconic "item get" pose looked like in 3D. Of course, obtaining the Triforce may have been an idea that was tossed around early in development, but the footage really can't be used as evidence for it. I mean, does anyone really think you'd just find the complete Triforce sitting in a chest somewhere?
Some may argue that it was meant to be obtained after beating the final boss, echoing the ending of ALttP. But then you'd have to ignore the only other evidence of its inclusion, the outline on the status screen. Because what would be the point of having it filled in right before the credits rolled?
Yea, GameDevs will set up scenes to use for marketing images and videos all the time even though the scene itself may not be in the final game.
In WW you got pieces in chests, so retrospectically from that perspective it is not entirely unlikely!
But yeah, it was most likely just a dev thing with no real intention to get it.
@@MaskedImposter yeah, I'm not even convinced the demo footage was even what we'd actually even consider as part of the game. It's apparently mostly art from a Mario game.
yeah it seems like a similar case to the zelda tech demo for the gamecube
It's for this reason I feel like the cut UI element is probably a cut game completion indicator, or maybe even a cut second quest (which maybe later developed into Master Quest?). The Triforce would make a pretty good "you did it!" indicator or some other special marker for such a circumstance, especially since you reunite the pieces of the Triforce presumably when you defeat Ganon. It could very well be something extremely simple like that and not intended to represent literally having the Triforce itself in-game.
It's mind-blowing to see a rumor more than two decades old still being a subject of debate.
Well, "debate". This video is more of a documentary covering the history of the rumor than a hype machine building up the rumors even further.
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I feel it should be noted that in the inventory screen for the medallions, the Triforce symbol in the centre of the hexagon isn't indentation but actually embossing as the triangles protrude outward, as you can see by the shadows going only in certain directions. Obviously, with a detail like this, it was never intended the Triforce would fill up that area.
Came here to say this! Knew that drawing class would come in handy someday.
How do you know for sure?
@@everythingpony My uncle works for Nintendo.
Yet there's still the pre-alpha trailer and the unused sprite.
My theory is that the Triforce was meant to be collected just like with the previous games, but the idea got trashed the moment they wrote the plot and they realized it would make no sense for the story.
@@everythingpony because it's sticking out, not in. So unlike all the other dents in the menu, the triforce one's a bump. Basic physics says that's not meant to _hold_ anything.
I never thought you could get the triforce as an item in OOT. On the quest status screen, it always felt like the medallion spots were indented, while the triforce were raised up.
Actually the songs, heart peices, and the 3 stones also seemed indented to me. So the only thing to look raised as opposed to indented was the triforce, signifying that it wasn't obtainable.
The triforce is raised on the quest status screen. You can see that if you look at the lighting. (the light is coming from the top-left corner) if you look at the triforce you can see that there is a light in the top-left corner and a shadow in the bottom-right. This would not be possible if the triforce was indented.
Yeah, I always thought that part of the status screen was meant to mirror the pedetal where you find the Master Sword, as well as the chamber of the sages.
Same, I grew up with Ocarina, and I don't think I remember ever hearing any rumors or talk about finding the Triforce. It was obviously shown in game, we know where it is, its breaking apart was one of the most important beats in the story. But I guess maybe because that happens off-screen, some people who really weren't paying attention still thought that it would somehow be assembled and discovered as one despite that. I definitely remember Mew and "Pikablu" though haha
PS I also don't remember anyone complaining about the Iron Boots. I remember the Water Temple being a notorious roadblock cuz it has so much backtracking in rooms that look so similar to adjust the water levels, and I remember always seeming to need 1 more small key, but I don't remember any complaints about swapping the boots. At the time, that was actually new and cool feeling to me, if you can believe it
@@theocean6609 Was going to bring this up and saw your comment. The lighting makes all the difference. What could have happened with the old build having the seal 7 file was that at one time it was lighted to look indented like the others, and then they removed the obtainable triforce, so they changed the lighting on it to make it look raised.
If it wasn't meant to be obtainable, why remove it in Majora's Mask quest status screen? There's plenty of space for it to still be in there. Seems like things went in a different direction mid / late in OOT's development, only to be fixed in the next game.
I love this video. It makes me miss being a kid in the 90s. There was a mystique in not knowing what secrets a game might have held. I personally had heard a lot about the Unicorn Fountain theory as a kid. Today's kids wouldn't understand.
Unraveling the theories, talking to friends at school about it, testing and playing to discover... Internet changed that forever
@NoahTheWarrior he said "today’s kids", we both know he’s right Noah
@NoahTheWarrior Noah, you do know that the internet wasn’t as good for 20 years ago right? We couldn’t always search for stuff on google, so he is litteraly correct.
@NoahTheWarrior when i was a kid, I couldn’t look it up. ig that’s the difference, maybe you’re too young, idk. You dont need to be so pressed about it tho😭😂
i remember guides on melee about unlocking sonic and tails and even chuck norris and giving screenshots and what seemed like legit strats to do it.
Good times...
something that always caught my attention was the pit in Zora's domain. By the ladder out of the water, there is a super deep hole that you can't dive into with even the golden scale, and as an adult Zora's domain is frozen over, meaning you can't use the iron boots. I'm not into hacking or modding, so could I request you cover that somehow? I know i could probably find videos elsewhere, but i'm always skeptical, and would just trust you more.
There is a cut dungeon from the Ocarina of Time, but it was cut so early in development that no files for it exist, I believe. I remember watching something a long time ago suggesting that this cut dungeon was meant to go into this hole in Zora's domain. Honestly it's been a while, and knowing the internet the person could have completely made it up, or been fed misinformation, or I might even be misremembering.
If I recall, it was originally a scrapped room known as the unicorn fountain
It's possible to get there through a glitch using the underwater entrance from lake hylia
There is a lil opening to what looked like walk in cave but that's all that's down there
In an early script for Zelda 64 found in the gigaleak (actually the F-Zero X Dev cart overdump), Link was originally supposed to enter Zora's Domain from under water. An early map for Zelda 64 was discovered that was just an empty cave with a tunnel full of water that just happened to fit almost perfectly together with the crevice at the bottom of Zora's Domain in the final game. It's likely that area was a remnant of the early Zora's Domain entrance before it was switched to the waterfall.
There is a rectangular indentation down there that seems like it could've fit an exit (in the final game it uses the regular stone texture so it's truly just an indentation), but there is no evidence suggesting what it might have contained. The unicorn fountain was probably just an early design for fairy fountains, and while the Forest and Water Temples were originally conceived as Wind and Ice Temples respectively (gigaleak files confirm this), there's no evidence that there were ever any additional dungeons that were cut, only reimagined. But if you think about it, underwater in the middle of Zora's Domain would be an extremely strange place for a dungeon and an odd place for a fountain too (considering, again, it'd be fully underwater)
Honestly the hole might have been a level designer adding redundant exits with the idea that it might be used later, but it never was. Or it might have always just been an indentation, maybe containing a chest. Or it could be a weird piece of terrain geometry that was never anything at all. There are plenty of theories, but absolutely no solid evidence
This is all well documented by reputable sources like TCRF, I don't know why you trust this one youtuber and literally no one else but it's there if you look for it
There was a glitch in the N64 version, I think you had to start the diving game in Zora's Domain and then wait a bit, then dive so that you're in the air when the game's timer ends. You'll sink right down to the bottom and can access that hole. Just like everyone else says, there was nothing in it.
I was there, man! I was a teenager at the time combing through the early days of the internet, reading all sorts of rumors about how to get the Triforce in Ocarina of Time. Those rumors were as common as the ones about how to bring Aerith back in FFVII.
I found a "secret" method to obtain the Triforce and followed all the obscure steps. There was like a dozen or so steps and they were all seemingly random and arbitrary. But I followed them all. The final step was to throw a bomb into the dark spot in the center of the lava beneath Ganon's castle. I did that, and then... nothing. What an absolute waste of time. Stupid trolls! 😂😅
It did bring some memories :p
The triforce Of courage is literally in him. So he’s using......himself.
We’re all guilty of this 😂
I love when I use myself.
If it is in Link then why doesn't it appear on the menu or whatever it's called when you pause the game?
Other items that Link has appear on one of the screens when you pause the game so why not at least that one piece of the Triforce, too, if Link does indeed have it in him?
If the Triforce is "in" Link that means that he has it so logically it should appear just like the other items Link has appear on one of the screens when you pause the game.
I think the more likely explanation is that Link supposedly "has" the Triforce for the purpose of the story, but on a technical level the developers just left it out of the game for some reason as an item that can show up when you pause the game.
@@tomackerman4089 You take things too literally and have entirely too much time on your hands.
@@tomackerman4089 there's literally a cut scene showing him having it on his hand. The triforce split when Ganondorf tried to take it from the Sacred Relm. The only part Ganondorf got was Power, Link got Courage, and Zelda got Wisdom. Did you not play the game?
I can believe that early in development they were mostly following the LttP formula, which would result in Link obtaining the Triforce during the ending.
Then of course things change a ton as they keep working, and we get the final ending where Link goes back in time.
What would it be supposed to do exactly?
@@gamermasta525 Revert all what Ganon did, so Link doesn't have to go back in time, I assume.
@@ericluque6573 See the thing is the triforce is so mystical I think leak should gain some kind of crazy ass transformation from gaining it which would make make him a God it's the only thing that makes sense. I would imagine him becoming some kind of triforce Link God With crazier more imaginative abilities than fierce deity Link.
Ah, brings back memories. I remember a fan landing site I used to frequent had a collection of these "How to obtain the Triforce" walk-throughs, all with a big disclaimer at the top saying none of them worked and were featured as essentially fanfic. Some of them were pretty creative and bizarre. I recall vaguely one involved doing an obscure task to get a Big Bomb, feeding it to JabuJabu to explode him, scooping his ashes into a bottle, then dumping the ashes somewhere as part of the quest. Lots of them also featured button inputs or other other power/reset tricks on the still image after the credits. Good times.
Yeees, that's the website I remember. I printed out that entire page and stapled it together. Not like a sane person though, it was stapled like a giant scroll, end to end. A massive 76 page snake. Only one I remember is trying to get under the frozen water in Zora's Domain as an adult
For years I thought the sinking lure was a myth, and did some truly bizarre things trying to get it back in the day. Years later my mind was later blown when it turned out to be true.
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This video is amazing for bringing back heavy 90s nostalgia! I vividly remember following a rumour of the triforce being located in the area where Jabu Jabu used to be. You had to climb up to the secret cave opening and look in a certain direction where you could (supposedly) see the triangles far away between some trees. It wasn't that convincing but it was probably where my love for video game theories and easter eggs began.
1:50 that looks a lot like the throne room from Ikana Castle in MM. That would make sense since MM was built using recycled OoT assets. Perhaps a lot of what was discarded from the final release of OoT was included in MM, too.
they where going to make a sequel to zelda 64 on the n64 DD called Zelda Ura. When the n64 DD failed, they scrapped it, and I am assuming they gutted the work they had and used it as the base for MM
I was there for that whole debacle, I was just a kid so naturally I fell for it. One thing I remember was Ariana was incredibly rude, they went on about how we'd all suffer. Then called everyone stupid for "falling for something so obviously fake" when they were proven wrong.
Sure it is, if you have enough arms and superhuman precision and endurance.
Fortunately, TASBot has evolved beyond the need for arms, is more precise than any organic speedrunner, and it doesn't need rest or bathroom breaks.
Nothing screams “fake” about a rumor more than lack of proof. Especially if you say you’ll drop hints then finally reveal it later.
yeah, "come back in a month"? Lolx... more like "give me a month to make up some more rumors".
In summoning salt’s Mario 64 video someone pulled that on a message board and then shockingly came through with all promises. Pretty good watch
@Manhog Sonic heh, people suck, not much else to say there :/
I want to see Nintendo make an homage to all the crazy rumors and put an absurd, obscure quest in a future Zelda game that looks like it will lead to the Triforce. Going all over and performing random actions, maybe throw in special items to make it seem more real.
And then at the end you just get a green rupee or something.
Imo, that's what the leviathans quest in botw was
@@benjaminshields9421 not even close; that quest is about 3 researchers arguing whom is correct about their hypothesis in where leviathans lived and what they died from, turns out they're all correct. But okay.
Ahh man I remember the Ariana hoax, I completely bought it. Also loved the timeline discussions on various forums before the official timeline was revealed. Memories!
Its real tho
@@everythingpony What is real, the hoax? Lol
I believe it's more than likely to be "scrapped content" when taking into consideration some of the other cut content from the game. The medallions were originally intended to power up the bow, more items were going to be used from horseback, and, perhaps most notably, the Sword Beam was also going to be included. Instead we got individual magic arrows, multiple horseback items didn't debut until Twilight Princess, and the Sword Beam would finally make its 3D appearance in Skyward Sword. Thankfully Nintendo has a habit of using scrapped ideas for later, so much so that we're getting an entire game made from them (hopefully) next year.
In hindsight, the problem with the idea that the Triforce was obtainable is that the plot rather fundamentally hinges on the Triforce pieces being with Link, Zelda, and Ganon. We actually know the location of the entire object for the entire story. The most generous interpretation I can think of is that at one point perhaps Zelda gave you a sage medallion which resembled the Triforce because it's the Royal Family's seal (or she blessed the other medallions as the final sage and the Triforce was the UI element to indicate they were empowered), but the Triforce being obtainable requires some pretty radical story changes to work as a concept. It seems more likely to me that any cut UI elements were merely completion indicators for other things (second quest a la Zelda 1, a "100% completion" indicator, etc).
@@underdarkness7692 The story might have been different early on. Keep in mind that in the first LoZ you obtained the Triforce of Wisdom and later the Triforce of Power by the end. In Zelda II Adventure of Link you obtained the Triforce of Courage and in Link to the Past you obtained the entire set after beating Ganon. Point is that until Ocarina of Time there wasnt an idea that each Triforce was tied to a specific character. They were McGuffins to be collected by the player. So early on it made sense for Link to be able to collect the Triforce in Ocarina of Time.
@@Epsilonsama That's entirely true and I thought of that, but we just don't have enough evidence about what early OOT may have been about. TBH, even after ALTTP getting the whole Triforce is a somewhat problematic idea given the extreme power it has.
That's kind of why I was thinking a second quest sort of thing. Like, maybe the plan was for you to touch the Triforce at the end like ALTTP and hence the icon is a marker of file completion.
Turns out it basically was scrapped content actually. Did you catch the Triforce% playthrough?
@@southernflatland it wasn't, they streamed that all in using controller inputs.
Watching this after watching Triforce% is nuts
I find it hilarious how this quest to find the triforce mirrors the events of the Triforce War, where people fought against each other for information on the whereabouts of the Triforce xD
Lmao I was literally going to type this. XD
Omg this is so trueeeee XD
triforce war... keyblade war...
@@UnrebornMortuus haha, yes! I've noticed that parallel too
I was once looking through the texture files of my ocarina of time 3D rom and found something that intrigued me:
There was a file that had four sets of the triforce shaded differently.
I quickly realised that 3 of them were obviously for Zelda, Ganondorf and Link respectively but the last one was just the full triforce as a sprite and I have no clue what it’s used for. Any other objects I saw that had a triforce symbol on them had the symbol in with the rest of its texture
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@Manhog Sonic possibly, I don’t know. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just an unused asset like the starfox Easter egg in the n64 version
It could have also been for the cutscene that show the triforce as a whole when going through the history of the three godesses
@@rnrmusic7190 I don’t think so, simply because I don’t remember there being a rectangle of the same colour but I’ll check if I can find the file again
As Manhog Sonic said above, maybe that sprite was used to "elevate" the Triforce carving in the menu, so that it's clear you can't obtain it physically.
I haven't played OOT in a long time but if I remember correctly weren't the triforce pieces inside the characters of the game, and therefore unobtainable (in terms of searching for a full triforce). The triforce of Courage was in Links hand, Wisdom in Zelda and Power in Ganondorf. I remember a scene were it lights up on their hands. So wouldn't this make the triforce unobtainable anyways? Or was that all symbolic?
Correct! Link wielded the triforce of courage, Zelda triforce of wisdom, and Ganondorf triforce of power
indeed, When Ganondorf touched the triforce it split. I have a theory why the sprites are there.. it could be that they intended to have the triforce to turn gold on any file that you have defeated Ganon.
The video mentions that, yeah.
The idea is that the Triforce was a physical object earlier in the game's Development before they changed it, and they are wondering if that game object is still in the code somewhere.
@@Malkuth-Gaming that's my thought too. Like, maybe there was a cut scene where after defeating Gannon you get his piece, Zelda gives you her's, and you use the Triforce to undo the dark timeline instead of Zelda sending you back in time.
The cool thing is that the Obtaining the Triforce rumor about finding the Triforce in a "Hidden Sky Temple" feels like a foreshadowing of Skyward almost 10 years later. Kinda like how DS SM64 had Luigi.
Or Nintendo just took those Rumors and made them into a game :D
I think the footage of Link discovering the Triforce in a chest was probably made to call to mind the way the Triforce assembles itself on the title screen and the ending of A Link to the Past, except animated in 3D for the first time. I doubt the footage has much more meaning beyond that, but it's still worth noting that it does, in fact, seem like they had intended at some point for the Triforce to be obtainable.
I always found it weird people were thinking it could be found when it was obviously already in the game, separated between Link, Zelda, and Gdorf. That wasn't really the age of whole separate games, included on the same cart, in case you made a different choice, and with space limitations on cartridges, especially not Nintendo games, so knowing that Link, Zelda, and Ganon have their iconic pieces, it would be weird to expect to find it anywhere. Why else did they think Gdorf was after Zelda? Did he just have a Princess fetish? No, he wanted her Triforce fragment. He knew exactly where the missing pieces were.
What might be a fun similar lore video; how did Twilight Princess Gdorf get his Triforce fragment? What split the Golden Triangles in that time line? So, if we accept the timelines split theory, Twilight Princess happens when Young Link returns to his childhood, convinces Zelda that Ganon is bad, they convince the King, and war were declared. Eventually, after heedless and ceaseless fighting, Gdorf is captured, and the ancient sages; Adult Link never appointed new ones here, try to execute Ganon. Things go pear-shaped, his Triforce of Power makes him immortal, he survives, and they banish him.
In Ocarina, for the first part of the game, the Triforce is whole, and in the Sacred Realm; it doesn't reside, divided, among its three iconic bearers.That lasts until Link pulls the Master Sword, goes to sleep, and Gdorf tries to claim the relic; it rejected him, split in three, and gave him the challenge "find my missing fragments, or no wish for you". Child Link returned to before he pulled the Sword never gets the Spiritual Stones, or appoints new Sages, or draws the Sword; he and Zelda start a war instead, and things happen differently. So, why does the Triforce still split, when now no one touches it with imbalance in their heart? Why does a fragment lodge itself within the Evil King when it should have still remained whole, and dormant, behind the Master Sword? Maybe I just want a video about Twilight Princess! 😁
I find it weird as well, but remember that at the time, the whole connection between characters and each piece of the triforce was new, up until then the triforce was just a relic to be found somewhere, not to mention the promotional image and rumours, it doesn't make sense, but in that age, people didn't really think about that.
As for why TP Gdorf got his triforce piece, they mention it was sort of a divine prank, my personal theory is that the triforce is atemporal, meaning that only one of them can exist at any given time, when Link was brought back in time, it created a sort of two triforces of courage, one in the future, so that that timeline was not without a triforce of courage, that then broke due to the time travel, and one that Link brought with himself to the past, thus splitting the triforce then as Link had already gotten a piece, but was also not worthy enough.
Of course that conflicts with a lot of things, like I'm not really sure if Link does keep the TF of Courage when Zelda brings him back, and we know that in certain games, the triforce isn't a permanent nor stable entity, it can be destroyed and sometimes two of them can coexist in the same timeline (but not in the same dimension?)
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we need a reaction of todays findings for the triforce run 😭
I like to imagine the gold triforce on the quest screen could be a sign of competition or something, like of you reload your save after beating Gannon and its there, like how some games down the line had stars next to the file you played on in the save menu.
Thank you for your time and effort you put into another great video! It's not often I click on a video as soon as it comes up, but there is never any hesitation when it's one of yours. 💜😁
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rendered speechless by the triforce? dude he is speechless the entire game
To me, the Triforce "indentations" seem more like they are coming out of the stone, not like a hole in it.
This. It's plain as day if you simply look at the shadows. All the fillable indentations have their shadows on the left side, while the triforce symbol has its shadows on the right, clearly indicating a raised symbol and not an indentation.
When I saw the “Zelda 64” footage in this video I couldn’t help but remember the GameCube tech demo of Link fighting Ganondorf. For its time, the graphics in that tech demo looked quite amazing. If I recall correctly, that tech demo partially contributed to some of the fans’ initially poor reception of The Wind Waker and its unrealistic, cartoonish art style. Although I didn’t like the Wind Waker’s cartoonish style at first, I grew to love the game in its entirety, including the graphics. And, at the very end of the GameCube’s lifespan we ended up getting the “realistic” Zelda game many fans were asking for. Overall that was a win-win, I think.
If you look at the lighting on the menu screen, the Triforce emblem is clearly raised, not indented.
if you dig into the gigaleak, that triforce icon is a seperate file than the rest of the menu screen. So the menu screen you see in the final game, is with that separate icon added into the menu texture. So the original texture of the menu could have been indented
Great overview of the era, hard to describe to newer gamers that we thought the games had no set limits and all the many crazy "cheats"/fake walkthroughs on all the main gaming webpages at the time.
If it was in the files, the speed running community would have found it.
They (kind of) did: ua-cam.com/video/2x_pqyrf9lA/v-deo.html
I spent _so much time_ on the Zelda Universe website you linked when I was little. I loved it. I would listen to the music, read the stories, even the fanfics. It really was like living in my own little world. It was one of my first experiences with the universe, and I'm so, so grateful for it.
Short answer. No!
Long answer. In early builds, yes. In later builds, no.
Triforce% was amazing to watch, but I've already seen a bunch of videos like "Finally found!" "Triforce is real!" "24 Years later!". Not sure if clickbait or if they really didn't understand how that worked.
@@HelpTheWretched Triforce% is a good idea and theory based on all the beta and pre-release promo content of the game and stuff, don't get me wrong. But making it accessible to speed runners with a lot of expertise in programming knowledge only was a mistake. The team should've released a patch version for those who aren't speed runners or expert programmers. It should've been made for everyone to enjoy! But, despite what is claimed on the team's website for the project, it's not.
@@HelpTheWretched I apologize if my reply came off the wrong way or weird. I misunderstood what you were saying. I realize now that you were just saying that you actually like Triforce% (so do I btw, as I said before) and that you do agree with me in a way as you've seen that some people are taking Triforce% too seriously and treating it as 100% fact. Is that correct? If so, then my bad.
@@PJCVita92 Yep, you got it. :) The way the speedrunners blurred the lines between what was real and what was "recreated" probably confused some people, so it's funny but also a bit annoying that some UA-camrs are acting like it's the real deal. I think there is some legal reason why they didn't release it as a patch, but I hope they eventually do.
Lord, that’s what I miss about the old Internet. Anyone could post rumors, cheats, whatever and it was such a Wild West of game knowledge. Love finding small obscure sites dedicated to a single game.
The theory I found back then was about blowing up every single stone of truth in the game. Which you learn is impossible when you try to do it at the temple.
Yeah that was my first too
Only on UA-cam can a yes or no question be answered in just over 10 min for extra ad revenue
I love your intros and outros
Years ago when I was playing ocarina of time On someone else’s Consol I was like in big open field like area like it looks like on top of the castle after defeating Gannon but it wasn’t it was like a whole different area n the tri-force was there now I might be exaggerating because this was like years ago when I was like five or six i’ve played ocarina of time so many times and I never seen that area ever again so I believe the tri-force is in ocarina of time it’s in our hearts That’s where the tri-force is
Sadly, many people are gullible, and many people are also mean enough to make up false rumors for...fun I guess? I don't get what's rewarding about speading false rumors, it's not like they can watch people wasting their time or anything.
The timing on this video was interesting considering triforce%.
The Triforce on the quest status screen is raised rather than indented. This implies, to me, that It's just a part of the design of the ring of medallions and was never meant to actually house anything. BOTW 2 needs to come out quickly to breathe some life into the zelda theory community, for the last few months the theory videos I've seen are essentially talking about nothing for 10 mins :/
Are you talking about this video? I thought this one was fantastic, very detailed and in-depth. And it's a pretty important theory I think.
Or maybe you just mean the theory videos about botw2
It's impossible for Link to be struck speechless because he was already speechless.
This reminds me of the search for the 17th colossus, man I wish I never spoiled it for myself but youth is youth.
Indeed. Although technically, the 17th Colossi was Dormin. Just the player role was reversed.
@@pious83 not relly sense there were four colossi cut from the game as could be found in the area with all the extra pedestals. Dormin actually has a relly cool name as his name is nimrod in reverse and his domain is a tower you can see from any point on the map.
@@Aceshot-uu7yx Cut content is irrelevant. In the finished game, Dormin is the last Colossi. The 17th.
@@pious83 that is why people were looking for the 17th was because of the cut content. They explored the game so much the remake used their notes to recreate the whole map and mechanics. Dormin is not who those guys searched for and to say such a thing removes the fun of the hunt. The fans got a cool sword in the remake as a thank you for their dedication to the game and while it is not what they wanted, it was more than enough.
Discovering the Triforce was likely changed due to the narrative shift with each principle character possessing their own thematically appropriate piece. This reminds me of the change to original ending for Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.
However, given the ending to OoT. I'd like to envision gathering the pieces of the Triforce independently would have unlocked a secret/alternative ending. Obtaining the Triforce of Wisdom from Sheik, at the point of the Zelda reveal. From collecting 100% of all items etc beforehand. The result of this also triggering a new prompt in the final battle. Lopping off Ganon's hand, instead of stabbing his head. Ultimately leaving Link, reassembling the Triforce at Temple of Light. Definitively ending the game, saving Hyrule and Gannondorf's threat.
Maybe you where supposed to gain the full triforce after defeating Ganondorf or during the half point in the Ganon fight where you pick up the master sword again, but instead of losing the sword at all from the beginning, you fight him with master sword but because he is in beast form he is now stronger the the sword, but as you slowly beat him you eventually absorb the full triforce power due to your courage to stand against an unwinnable foe, your knowledge to find his weak spots and your power to actually hurt him, then when it fully combines you just fight him like normal until you stab him like in OoT.
Im gonna assume this is what actually happened, what a comment 👍🏽
I actually saw some screenshots with shigeru miyamoto/eiji aounuma (I type both names because I'm not sure who it was; but I think it was miyamoto) with some early papers of ocarina of time with concepts for a lot of temples and stuff that they wanted to do at first, and one of the papers actually mentions that they wanted to do some sort of race to get the triforce vs ganondorf at the end of the game.
This subject interested me a great deal when I was younger. I spent many hours searching for the triforce. It was rather funny. This brought back a lot of memories, it was like a knight searching for the Holy Grail. Fruitless, but fun. I wonder if the Mario textures of the triforce room are found anywhere in the 1996 demo.
Yeah I remember me and all my friends were convinced it was in the game. If only by a glitch or buried in game files. Turns out we were half right since it seems they originally planned to color in the triforce item icon. Gaming truly was a new frontier back then before mass information.
When you look for the grail you only end up looking to yourself. These two faces create a negative space that is the grail.
Self realization that you are not one but two and the grail between being perspective.
@@wizardmanaia4664 Love that commentary Wizard, so deep. The search for the Triforce reveals all sides of the person.
@@spiralking-daringlybold6862 I then should presume that you have found the grail and thusly drink from it.
I remember when I was in High School, my friends always mentioned the sky Temple. I always thought that after Link found the Triforce, he was going to get a Gold shield🛡 with a gold Tunic to match the light arrow🏹 from the princess. Nintendo can really do so much more with Zelda 64 if they would just do a remake to add more content.
This aged well
Props on that Goldeneye soundtrack usage though
Does.... Does he know yet?
Triforce%
It‘s still not really in the game. It‘s a ACE real time rom hack. I know what you mean, Triforce%
It’d be good to see a zeltik plays again sometime
Triforce% is now real. The hype is real. the Triforce.... is real!
If by real you mean added to the game world with an incredibly complicated arbitrary code execution glitch, then yes, you would be correct.
By using tasbot to feed the N64 extra code into the game? Pretty sure BOTW characters don't officially exist on the N64 cartridge of OOT.
Someone made a video in 2007, where he used a glitch to fall under the frozen water in Zora domain, and when he got into the wall, it wouldn't let him reach the unicorn fountain. And he did this without tasbot. You can even watch his video here:
ua-cam.com/video/oZP3gPS1rq4/v-deo.html
Maybe the real triforce was the friends we made along the way
Two weeks ago the triforce was not a thing. Today it is. Triforce% is amazing.
Must watch, it feels so weird and makes sense at the same time.
but the thing with triforce% was that even though it wasn't modded before gameplay they used ACE which is basically a way to mod the game during gameplay with certain controller inputs and use of TASbot so it isn't truly getting the triforce since the triforce never existed in OoT. Don't get me wrong I absolutely loved Triforce% but it is what it is
Alright I’m pretty sure it was either planned but cut super early in development, or just used for marketing, both of which are fairly common, and I’m leaning more towards the latter due to there not being any code leftover for it, but I also have a 3rd theory, it was a combination of them testing possible animations for link getting an item and a possible animation for the Triforce that they decided to use for marketing.
Favourite video you've put out in a while! It must be hard keeping the Zelda content coming while waiting for BOTW 2, this one really held my attention and was super captivating. Amazing job keeping things rolling while waiting for all the new content.
Seeing this, I think it might be cool to go over a lot of the most prominent fan theories/rumours from a bunch of other Zelda games?
Fantastic video, I love your content!
Hearing Goldeneye music in a Zeltik video about OOT is just wonderful.
Very interesting that this was released about 2 weeks before the Triforce% run was made public. It seems Zeltik was completely unaware of that development. Time for a new video to dive deeper :)
We were very secretive so Zeltik is definitely not at fault for that. I'd *love* to see a reaction video though!
i believe it was in the game at an early stage. since ocarina of time was related heavily with zelda 2 and a link to the past, its fair to assume in those early stages of development the triforce was in fact able to be at least touched at one point. not necessarily in the inventory, but could be visible in the game's current time and not just in cutscenes
GDQ just made alot of dreams come true
What happened?
A lot is two words.
@@ThePoohat the Pooh hat is three
@@hamz7986 *poo
@@ThePoohat Yeah but alot isn't
Hi Zeltik. I‘m not sure if you know MajorLink, but I wanted to use the opportunity to tell you about one of his greatest projects: “Hero’s Purpose”. It’s a animation of what could have happend during the time between ocarina of the time and majors mask. Great storytelling and great animations. I loved watching it and I can just recommend it to you. I would love to see a reaction, but even if you don’t want to, you could watch it for yourself.
Let’s be real, though. Pulling the completed triforce out of a chest-when its previous incarnations were a collectathon mcguffin, final mcguffin, or Ganon Defeated Reset Button McGuffin-would’ve been incredibly anti climatic and borderline insulting
Link already possesses the triforce piece that represents courage, Zelda holds wisdom, and Ganondorf power. None are capable of holding the entire triforce in its entirety because none have a perfect balance of all three virtues. The only one who could potentially achieve that might be Zelda, since she is the physical manifestation of Hylia herself, not just a humanoid being that possesses great wisdom or courage or power. Aside from that, I don’t think it was ever the intention that the spot showing the triforce symbol in the inventory was meant to actually hold pieces.
Ganon in downfall timeline got full triforce after defeating Link and Zelda
i wanna go into hibernation until botw 2 comes out.
I've been playing Rom Hacks.
Lol same here!
@@Zeldahol i’ve just been playing breath of the wild 😅
Oh. You don't even need Rom hacks to play a Zelda game you haven't played yet. That's awesome! Play Link to the Past.
My fave Zelda game is oot, and I'm WAITING to play a good version. I'll settle for a hacked 1 on PC. Any recommendations? 😀😀😀
I still remember this being a hot topic at school when I was in year 8 (1998-1999), every time a magazine would debunk the latest image as photoshopped/digitally manipulated another new screenshot would appear and start the whole debate again.
Who else is here after triforce percent?
Me
Me, although I admit it's a bit self-serving, heh
Who else is here after Triforce% and is tired of gamers who didn't pay attention to the SGDQ run's commentary?
@@LexYeen Well, uh, also me, heh - I can't complain too much, though. We did our best but any time you make a work of art you'll find someone who wants to critique how you presented it.
I love zelda although when I was a kid I was afraid to play certain parts of ocarina of time because it was creepy. Specifically inside the well and the shadow temple.
I hear you on that one. I avoided it at all cost and tried to beat the game without even going in the well hahaha
@@slenderman2745 LOL well at least I know I was not the only one trying to avoid the well.
@@chrisbkingdom the first time I played the game I obviously didn't know but every time after that was like I'll do it later like very very last later. Also the graveyard inside the composer's tomb I hate those creepy things lol
Just like many other things in many other Zelda games it was ripped out and just reused later on this particular idea was scrapped and used way later in the Wind Waker during the quest to receive all the Triforce pieces.
The fact that it was once in the game or could have been and is no longer is not something that's surprising nor should be surprising when it comes to the Legend of Zelda I mean there is a game that was literally made from just nothing but Zelda reused content so there's that
Ganondorf was the one who wrote to Nintendo of America asking how to find the Triforce.
You made this video about two weeks too early, lol
Yes the Triforce in OoT was originally obtainable, but they devs said they dint have enough time to implement it.
It finally is ;)
I remember back in the day on Nintendo's official online forum, there was a thread where people would come up with the craziest, stupidest, most ridiculous triforce rumors they could think of.
Lol well hello fellow SGDQ viewers.
Funny thing about that quest status thing, you can see by the shadows that the triforce symbol is actually raised instead of an indentation.
There is a triforce but you need tasbot to find it 😂
*build it with real-time RAM editing
This makes me think... for the triforce to have appeared on Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf's hand, that means that at some point someone with an imbalanced heart found it, tried to make a wish, and failed, causing the peices to find hosts reflecting aspects of each piece.
What if early on in development, Link WAS meant to find the Triforce, but hadn't grown spiritually enough to balance his heart. Causing Ganondorf to inherit the Triforce of Power and leading to the destruction we see in the adult timeline
yeah, ganon
Ariana is such a villain lol
There's only one problem with the menu screen Triforce theory. The medallion slots are indents the triforce in the middle of the carved stone are protrusions not indented slots like the ones for the medallion's
And then "OoT Triforce Percent" happened at SGDQ 2022
when I was first playing OOT as a kid i figured the triforce icon in the inventory between the medallions would start to glow once you got call the medals
You might need to update the video theory cuz now it is available to be gotten. It’s called Triforce% and it was done on an unmodded and bogstandard OoT cartridge
You might want to watch some of the videos put out on that run, I think you misunderstood what it was. The cartridge was unmodified, but they injected code to create that new ending whole cloth using TASbot.
@@that_rhobot Yeah, it's practically romhacking it in real time. It's cute but it's not really the same thing as claiming it's real, just taking existing assets, modifying flags/game states/codes and inserting some fan fiction to give it a context, and then creating new assets out of old ones. While it's technically impressive and all, it's disingenuous to present it as something that's part of the game. If someone wanted to and knew how, they could make all the characters in the game spout racial slurs using code injection; would you consider *that* part of the game?
Also it's really weird that people obsess so much over this thing. Like isn't the Triforce already part of the game? Ganon tries to collect it and it breaks apart, giving him the triforce of power, zelda wisdom, and link courage. Like that *is* the Triforce, you just aren't collecting as some random item. If you were able to obtain it earlier, that would kinda break the game's story. Like, getting this thing would be a big deal in this world right? Like that would signify Link having ultimate power, so why would they shove it in some random hidden room to grab like it's a knick knack? It's like trying to pass around a rumor that "hey if you go into every house in hyrule village, run in a circle 64 times, and then toss a bomb in the fountain, you can unlock a secret fight with ganondorf, if you beat him you can play as him!!" Purely the only reason people cared about finding it in this weird way is cause some prototype footage exists, not because of how the game itself actually turned out and already used it to frame it's story.
@@CleaveTheDragon We tried our very best to be clear about what was beta content on the cartridge and what we put together ourselves but there's no denying that the lines were very blurred. We're continuing to do what we can to clearly identify what content was original and what we added. (We also worked very hard to ensure our swear filter prevented any racial slurs but you're not wrong, someone could have intentionally done that; it probably wouldn't have had as much traction, however)
This must be the first time I've heard James Bond music in a Zelda theory video, haha. Great video, Zeltik!
I was really confused at first too 🤣
The Playlist you used was epic. Forest of illusion , Goldeneye , they help add to the mystery 😊.
Man, those wild goose chases people would make up to get the triforce were so good. I myself am guilty of falling for a couple of them and wasting my time lol as silly as it was it was incredibly fun.
I just woke up from a dream where I was doing a Let's Play of this game and was showing off these six weird spirit things that show up around Hyrule Field AFTER you defeat the Big Poes and impersonate random characters you've met and helped, claiming that your "help" got them killed and they want revenge, such as one I remember imitating Malon, saying that after I did the Epona quest, Ingo was so beside himself with rage that he took it out on the rest of the ranch (subtly but clearly implying he killed her) but I showed right after that she was alive, so this was something else. I fought all of these things, which caused the six symbols of the Medallions to glow brighter on the Quest Status Screen, which in turn opened a portal in the Temple of Time behind the Master Sword Pedestal, which contained the Unicorn Fountain and beyond it the Triforce, which had a secret alternate ending to the game upon touching it.
Completely unrelated to the video and non of that happens in the game for real, but it would have been awesome if such a thing had existed
Goldeneye music. Nice touch Zeltik.
The Bond Music with Ocarina is maximum nostalgia.
The SECOND that the girl claimed you needed to know a secret song should have been an immediate giveaway. There's no extra note space unused to fill up on the status screen like the triforce
That GDQ TAS was awesome.
Thank you so much for the compliment!
One thing glaring about the status screen is that the highlights and shadow of the Triforce's "slot" within the menu is inverted from every other slot. This means that the Triforce "slot" is protruding outward, making it a decoration instead of a slot. As a child, this was enough to tell me that the Triforce was not a collectable item within the game unlike in the original (the first Zelda game was my very first Zelda game I played).
I remember those days. The days of an obtainable Triforce in Ocarina of Time, a playable Luigi in Super Mario 64, naked Lara Croft in Tomb Raider, Mewthree in Pokemon, reviving Aerith in Final Fantasy 7, and Sonic; Tails; and toad in Melee.
Those were the days.
......
Fuck those days.
The worst part is that the kids in the playground who would tell you this stuff actually believed it too. I remember getting stuck in Donkey Kong 64 because a door was locked. A friend told me there was another door on the other side of a building, so I checked and there was no door. When he saw this, he just went "Whaaaaat?"
I later unlocked the area by collecting more bananas.