I’d love to do this but I lack the scorch shot and instead of giving me new items valve thinks I need 5 eviction notices. Anyway good vid thanks for the info!
@@raccocooon7305 Its really more annoying than anything. The Flare Gun deals more damage, and the Detonator can explode at any time in midair, not to mention the mobility increase. The Scorch Shot is really only as good as what it gets paired with, but it's otherwise just kinda irritating.
@@midnightbat344 Nah, keep that; but remove the bouncing flare on direct hit. It allows the scorch shot to out damage the other flare guns with a single shot.
Every time I watch your DF videos I think, "I should try this and make a godlike video!" Then I try it in game and realize "That Lister guy is WAY better than me at aiming" LOL.
stick with it :) it took a long time for aiming with the df to click for me, the hardest part is learning that you need to lead your shots slightly at midrange despite how fast it is
I used to bash Dragon's Fury a lot when I used to think that Pyro was nothing without Airblast. Even if that statement is still partly true, in my recent usage of this weapon (before Zesty made that video) I find airblast rarely necessary anymore. It still can't compete with Soldiers and Demos in a setting where both players are prepared for the engagement (or if you are the one getting surprise-attacked) due to the difference in the effort/aiming needed to deal significant damage, but it excels at basically every other fight. The flaws of this weapon are practically erased when used with the Scorch Shot (besides the bugs), and even less of a problem when you also have a solid high damage dealer even against fire resistant targets (Use the Axtinguisher with these two, if you can't hit your shots at close range it will be a very good final resort). I also have to say that these videos where you've teached combos were very helpful when I first picked the thing. So thanks for "warming me up" to this new fresh way of playing my favorite class from Team Defense Fort 2!
i might be crazy but it sounded like you said it takes more effort and aim to press m2 in a general direction than it does to hit and place pipes/rockets on a pyro that knows how to airblast
I still find you can get some use out of the airblast, even if it isn't as promenade as the degreaser, and more situational Firstly i find it's best use against soldiers with their slower projectile and fire-rate though it can still work with one-off encounters with demos if the demo/soldier is too far away where you can't really combo them (Mid-range+) you can usually catch them off guard and the flat120~ damage can be enough to make them retreat of even flat out kill them Alternatively they can be useful against sentries and a good pester if not anything else so if you wanna use airblast as a dragon's fury pyro, i'd say its best use is in short confrontations or mid-range encounters, wherever you can afford to take a hit or dodge a rocket/pipe, or even simply working with your team and protecting your medic, so go out there and don't forget that this isn't the phlog! -thank you for attending my ted talk
I thought this was important to mention, the stock Flamethrower's damage ramp-up is bugged. At point blank, it takes 1.8+ seconds to reach it's maximum output rather than 0.9s at all other ranges. Your footage at 2:57 showed you doing this, so your numbers may be inaccurate to more realistic gameplay scenarios.
I find the dragons fury is a direct upgrade to any other flamethrowers. This weapon is technically a better version of The Phlog. Of course theres that crippling downside of having a painfully slower airblast but i can't reflect rockets and pipes anyway so... Yeah!
wtf? Didn't even know this was a thing since I've almost never used DF and just considered it a trash weapon, so it's almost like an airblast when you shoot their feet and launch them up? Looks pretty consistent as well which is a huge bonus considering how inconsistent the DF is usually
@@Bloom0029 wow ik right foreign concept. But fr when engi has sentries that auto aim and soldier and demo have splash damage and so does pyro with the scorch shot and you dont need to be super accurate with flamethrowers. A weapon requiring consistent good aim to do well with especially on pyro of all classes is interesting
Oh this is interesting, another fun thing about the dragons fury is that the projectiles are actually airblastable, it's also interesting how it deals 75 damage on buildings making it a good destruction tool if you get ubered or have a good corner that lets you use the rather big hitbox well.
i had been using the dragons fury and scorch shot lately trying to like just get a little stun but i never thought to do this tbh its pushing the mechanics of the weapon to its max basically
Why don't strange dragons furys exist? It's my favorite pyro primary and I would happily take a strange dragons fury being added instead of the seasonal updates.
Unless I am missing something, the information presented in this video is wrong. Initial claim: “You can kill a fully overhealed Demoknight with a shield in 1 second.” Later claim: “You can deal 200 damage in 1.1 seconds.” A true DemoKnight, using the Ali Baba’s Wee Booties or Bootlegger reskin, even if you used the Eyelander’s reduced starting health and had no heads collected, had no overheal, as well as using the Tide Turner for the weakest resistance, you would still have around 210 effective health against flames. This is more damage required than what you claim (and in a longer period of time), and this isn’t even taking into account overheal. So, your claim was completely wrong. It’s more than a second, and the damage presented isn’t enough even in the most ideal circumstances. But if you actually meet up a against a Demoknight that fills all the prerequisites but also has more favourable things going for them, such as max heads on Eyelander, actually being overhealed, and using the Chargin’ Targe for max resistance, you would actually need to do 700 damage instead. 200 damage isn’t even a third of that. I feel that it is safe to say that your claim was really misleading.
Scorch shot is disgusting and I refuse to use it. You are taking a beautiful and fun weapon and turning it into something ugly. Stick to detonator or mannmelter
only thing i disagreed with is how the dragons fury matches up versus scouts and pyros, it certainly melts newer players but scouts that know how to maneuver in the air and pyros that know the timing for airblasting to deny combo hits will give you a hard time
What you're essentially advocating for is called "Aim-Crutching." It's the same thing that Pre-JungleInferno airblast was DESPISED for. Simply aiming at your target's legs the first time around already does the job perfectly well if your aim isn't garbage, & because the Dragon's Fury is essentially a combo weapon on its own for _ITSELF,_ You really needn't waste your secondary on something redundant like a flare gun. Instead, you should just learn to improve your aim, & then opt for the mobility utility of the thermal thruster in order to better ambush enemies &/or get to the frontlines faster.
@@PHONO_tv I did. I watched it before I watched this video. But that doesn't change that Scorch Shot is a weaker & thusly inferior alternative to the thermal thruster 9/10× if you're running Dragon's Fury.
The Dragon's Fury is not hard to use because of the small hitbox, but because the flame particle is misleading and annoying as fuck. If you use a command to more easily see the particles hitbox, you'll see that is 30%.
Protip to anyone playing a projectile class vs the dragons fury. There is a bug where projectiles delete the dragons fury fireball, so if you see someone doing this try to time your shot when the first dragons fury shot would come out to "block" it.
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I’d love to do this but I lack the scorch shot and instead of giving me new items valve thinks I need 5 eviction notices. Anyway good vid thanks for the info!
if you dont feel comfortable using third party sites to buy weapons, you can go to the in-game store and try out any one weapon for free per week
@Jesk ign is nadernad but you really shouldnt bother imma try it out on item servers
Use scrap.tf, but the scorch shot is the most annoying weapon in the game. Watch fishonasticks video on how it is bad.
@@raccocooon7305 I’m entirely aware just wanted to give this a *shot*
@@raccocooon7305 Its really more annoying than anything. The Flare Gun deals more damage, and the Detonator can explode at any time in midair, not to mention the mobility increase. The Scorch Shot is really only as good as what it gets paired with, but it's otherwise just kinda irritating.
once again scorch shot is making a primary weapon kinda broken lmao
Away have been
another reason why it needs to be nerfed into the ground or reworked.
@@adrianmarc5430 but how to nerf well maybe that aoi area but that all
@@midnightbat344 Nah, keep that; but remove the bouncing flare on direct hit. It allows the scorch shot to out damage the other flare guns with a single shot.
@@adrianmarc5430 but that the only thing that make it different from any flare gun
Every time I watch your DF videos I think, "I should try this and make a godlike video!" Then I try it in game and realize "That Lister guy is WAY better than me at aiming" LOL.
stick with it :) it took a long time for aiming with the df to click for me, the hardest part is learning that you need to lead your shots slightly at midrange despite how fast it is
@@listertf2 You've made the payoff obvious with your videos, so I will do my best senpai!
ppl are beating up pyro players so much but there is so good pyro youtubers at yt
@@ongopom There really are. I'm loving Lister's pyro content, and Witchy TF2 does some excellent pyro work too.
I used to bash Dragon's Fury a lot when I used to think that Pyro was nothing without Airblast.
Even if that statement is still partly true, in my recent usage of this weapon (before Zesty made that video) I find airblast rarely necessary anymore. It still can't compete with Soldiers and Demos in a setting where both players are prepared for the engagement (or if you are the one getting surprise-attacked) due to the difference in the effort/aiming needed to deal significant damage, but it excels at basically every other fight.
The flaws of this weapon are practically erased when used with the Scorch Shot (besides the bugs), and even less of a problem when you also have a solid high damage dealer even against fire resistant targets (Use the Axtinguisher with these two, if you can't hit your shots at close range it will be a very good final resort).
I also have to say that these videos where you've teached combos were very helpful when I first picked the thing. So thanks for "warming me up" to this new fresh way of playing my favorite class from Team Defense Fort 2!
Pyro from hightower
i might be crazy but it sounded like you said it takes more effort and aim to press m2 in a general direction than it does to hit and place pipes/rockets on a pyro that knows how to airblast
@@scratta2579 i said it takes more aim to hit DF shots
If it sounded like i said airblast, sorry
@@draforgg5594 nah i was crazy after all homie not worries
I still find you can get some use out of the airblast, even if it isn't as promenade as the degreaser, and more situational
Firstly i find it's best use against soldiers with their slower projectile and fire-rate though it can still work with one-off encounters with demos
if the demo/soldier is too far away where you can't really combo them (Mid-range+) you can usually catch them off guard and the flat120~ damage can be enough to make them retreat of even flat out kill them
Alternatively they can be useful against sentries and a good pester if not anything else
so if you wanna use airblast as a dragon's fury pyro, i'd say its best use is in short confrontations or mid-range encounters, wherever you can afford to take a hit or dodge a rocket/pipe, or even simply working with your team and protecting your medic, so go out there and don't forget that this isn't the phlog!
-thank you for attending my ted talk
I thought this was important to mention, the stock Flamethrower's damage ramp-up is bugged. At point blank, it takes 1.8+ seconds to reach it's maximum output rather than 0.9s at all other ranges.
Your footage at 2:57 showed you doing this, so your numbers may be inaccurate to more realistic gameplay scenarios.
I think I saw u in a match like weeks ago and holy sht ur insane
:)
Zesty Jesus will be very Interested In this
We do not speak of the demon like that son go to ur room
Dont chase medics with needles while using Dragons fury
I find the dragons fury is a direct upgrade to any other flamethrowers. This weapon is technically a better version of The Phlog. Of course theres that crippling downside of having a painfully slower airblast but i can't reflect rockets and pipes anyway so... Yeah!
I just hope Tf2 community won't whine again about DF and make Valve nerf it again.
TF2 community always whines about every shit so don't even hope for it. Mfs mad at everything.
@@rane7784 Yeah, agreed
like noone was complaining about sniper that much before bots tf2 comunity just cries over anything
Thx dude, if someone will Ask me about dragon furry i will give them your video
This is an underrated video tbh. Thanks for the knowledge about the DF and Scorch Shot combo.
Why. The hell. Is there no STRANGE DRAGON'S FURY
The only "respectable" way to use the scorch shot
wtf? Didn't even know this was a thing since I've almost never used DF and just considered it a trash weapon, so it's almost like an airblast when you shoot their feet and launch them up? Looks pretty consistent as well which is a huge bonus considering how inconsistent the DF is usually
Hey mate, surprised to see you here too!
:)
DF isint really inconsistent its just you have to be pretty accurate with that fireball if you want that high damage
@@NotSnak wow it's almost like you have to AIM in a video game
@@Bloom0029 wow ik right foreign concept.
But fr when engi has sentries that auto aim and soldier and demo have splash damage and so does pyro with the scorch shot and you dont need to be super accurate with flamethrowers. A weapon requiring consistent good aim to do well with especially on pyro of all classes is interesting
Bro ive been sub to you seens when you have a low sub count look at you now you have 1k subscribeers
Oh this is interesting, another fun thing about the dragons fury is that the projectiles are actually airblastable, it's also interesting how it deals 75 damage on buildings making it a good destruction tool if you get ubered or have a good corner that lets you use the rather big hitbox well.
Bro I tried the scorch shot with the dragons fury it's stupid how good it is
i had been using the dragons fury and scorch shot lately trying to like just get a little stun but i never thought to do this tbh its pushing the mechanics of the weapon to its max basically
People hate the dragons fury because you need to aim,
Also the air blast economy I guess but I don’t see an issue with it
k that's cool and all but I feel so bad using the scorch shot, it just feels so unfair to play against.
I'm a scorch shot hater as well but I would say that this combo doesn't abuse the most broken mechanic of it, which is the stupid bouncing flare
Why don't strange dragons furys exist? It's my favorite pyro primary and I would happily take a strange dragons fury being added instead of the seasonal updates.
Look at you now, you who were once so proud and now look at the destruction you've caused
This is actually a really good video!
here i am thinking i should return to tf2 and play some matches and then this video released, im not gonna have fun... huh?
Finally, a decently skilled way to use the scorch shot (by using the dragons fury)
a new combo pyro style
Unless I am missing something, the information presented in this video is wrong.
Initial claim: “You can kill a fully overhealed Demoknight with a shield in 1 second.”
Later claim: “You can deal 200 damage in 1.1 seconds.”
A true DemoKnight, using the Ali Baba’s Wee Booties or Bootlegger reskin, even if you used the Eyelander’s reduced starting health and had no heads collected, had no overheal, as well as using the Tide Turner for the weakest resistance, you would still have around 210 effective health against flames. This is more damage required than what you claim (and in a longer period of time), and this isn’t even taking into account overheal.
So, your claim was completely wrong. It’s more than a second, and the damage presented isn’t enough even in the most ideal circumstances.
But if you actually meet up a against a Demoknight that fills all the prerequisites but also has more favourable things going for them, such as max heads on Eyelander, actually being overhealed, and using the Chargin’ Targe for max resistance, you would actually need to do 700 damage instead. 200 damage isn’t even a third of that.
I feel that it is safe to say that your claim was really misleading.
another epic upload
Lister is the only guy that uses the scorch shot with skill
This is the most broken flamethrower in the game but its only slept on because most pyros don't aim
Scorch shot is disgusting and I refuse to use it. You are taking a beautiful and fun weapon and turning it into something ugly. Stick to detonator or mannmelter
I admit to using this combo, but at least I actually aim flare guns well so im not a total monster.
cool tech! pyro just got a little bit harder to master, haha
What’s your opinion on Zest Jesus’s video.
Both of you like the Dragons fury
only thing i disagreed with is how the dragons fury matches up versus scouts and pyros, it certainly melts newer players but scouts that know how to maneuver in the air and pyros that know the timing for airblasting to deny combo hits will give you a hard time
I swear I'll never call Pyro brain dead again
"scorch shot"
AMGRY
Let's get this vid to 969 likes
Pulls out the calculator , makes insane amount of damage thanks to game mathematics
Yep , it's broken
demoknight how has the chargin' targe and vaccinator medic and Darwin's Danger Shield sniper: combo or not you are still dead
Dragon's fury nerf
When i see this i do wonder
Arent you completely outclasses when theres more than one enemy?
Zesty orange
0:32 What map ?
Hit fast shoot fast hit fast *Repeating "Hit fast, Shoot fast" infinitely*
If they're already on fire then there's way more launching power, allowing you to do this to revved up Heavies
“200 shots in one Second”
Heavy’s and Their Pocket Medic: *Laughing*
Pyros: *shoots three more times*
how are you in my notifications
Try to not miss challenge.
Probably the only time I’ll actually use the scorch shot
god I want a strange dragon's fury so bad
It’s funny how the scorch shot has one of the lowest skill floors and one of the highest skill ceilings
Great vids mate!
Haha i cannot aim
What you're essentially advocating for is called "Aim-Crutching." It's the same thing that Pre-JungleInferno airblast was DESPISED for.
Simply aiming at your target's legs the first time around already does the job perfectly well if your aim isn't garbage, & because the Dragon's Fury is essentially a combo weapon on its own for _ITSELF,_ You really needn't waste your secondary on something redundant like a flare gun.
Instead, you should just learn to improve your aim, & then opt for the mobility utility of the thermal thruster in order to better ambush enemies &/or get to the frontlines faster.
You should watch their thermal thruster video from 5 months ago.
@@PHONO_tv I did. I watched it before I watched this video. But that doesn't change that Scorch Shot is a weaker & thusly inferior alternative to the thermal thruster 9/10× if you're running Dragon's Fury.
So you are able to hit directs all the time?
@@bohnzo473 yes. Can't you?
@@hamstreak5591 and you also have a ks dragon's Fury with 20000 kills on it, right? Alongside the hale's own strange dh
The Dragon's Fury is not hard to use because of the small hitbox, but because the flame particle is misleading and annoying as fuck.
If you use a command to more easily see the particles hitbox, you'll see that is 30%.
Protip to anyone playing a projectile class vs the dragons fury. There is a bug where projectiles delete the dragons fury fireball, so if you see someone doing this try to time your shot when the first dragons fury shot would come out to "block" it.
The dragon’s fury is the direct hit for pyro but is actually good
ok, scorch shot user
while this looks fun, i refuse to stoop as low as the scorch shot