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@xisumavoidtalks about the community attitude regarding the mob vote 2023, and the behaviour towards mojang.
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00:00 Reusing Losing Mob Functionality
01:00 Previous Mob Votes and Features
02:05 Managing Expectations
03:49 Was The Vote Rigged?
05:48 Worth Being Upset
06:30 Mojang Listening To The Community
08:09 Being More Lighthearted
09:12 Adding Losing Mobs?
09:45 Outro
Edited by: @SkyfighterZX
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I loved the Biome vote where we chose what biome got reworked FIRST.
Give us three great ideas the developers want to add regardless, then have us vote about what feature we want added first.
As opposed to three mediocre ideas the developers are willing to take or leave on the public’s whims.
since 2018 only swamp was the first mob vote to be added in 2nd place
This. There has to be a lot of internal development that occurs before it can get on the vote. Why not just develop them all the way, let the votes decision decide order. Eventual 3 mobs per update is extremely doable
I think that's a good idea. A "priority" vote, where all features will be added to the game eventually, but we vote for which one comes first.
100% agree! The biome vote was awesome
@knux7468 that's exactly what the mob vote is
The problem with the mob vote is that none of the content is mutually exclusive. There is no game design reason why crabs and penguins can’t be added alongside armadillos. Votes should be reserved for content that is mutually exclusive, such as the different ways mobs or redstone or other items can behave.
To clarify, the goal isn't to have mutually-exclusive content. The goal is to have content that is not essential to gameplay. Things that are deep in the weeds of gamedev don't make for good pixel art and many people won't understand it. As it is right now, it lets players have gamedev-like conversations, and the mobs that are voted on are non-essential. There is no reason for any of these mobs to be added, or not to be added -- they're just a *thing* that doesn't matter much.
The more that it matters, the more liekly it is to be a guarantee in the Core update rather than in something that gets voted on.
They can have whatever goals they like, that doesn’t mean advertising content they’re not going to add isn’t naturally going to annoy a large amount of the community. @@averagezing
@@Nephelangelo It's not even about content. The mob vote is purely a marketing thing. The mobs aren't ever interesting enough to care about. Ok, the Allay is pretty good, but none of the others add anything to the game, except to add a bit of texture. Mojang spends so much time and money making FREE updates to a game and people have to act like babies because they didn't get some specific shiny widget that's hardly worth 5 minutes of entertainment to begin with.
People are throwing a riot over a crab in the same update where they gave us auto-crafters. It's insane.
A petition is not a riot my melodramatic friend. 😂 And Mojang isn’t “spending” money to add content, you have that exactly backwards. They’re receiving money. They’re quite literally paid to develop this content. And Minecraft players quite literally paid for the game, often many, many times over, so they get to be critical of the paid developers for annoying the community by repeatedly advertising content they’re not actually adding to the game. @@fwiffo
@@NephelangeloPeople are always going to be annoyed if what they vote didn't win, that's how voting works, there is nothing can be done by the vote maker not upset the losing sides.
But us, the vote participant can, by accepting the results, move on, and keep being civil. Which is most likely not possible due to large portions of the community is literally kids that's easily get upset when they don't get the candy they wanted and easily influenced by simple hashtag trends.
The issue with the mob vote as a bit of fun is that it is net negative fun.
The winner had about 40% of the votes, that leaves 60% as loosers and loosing is not fun. So they have created fun for 40% at the cost of negative fun for 60% which ends up being a net -20% fun.
This! That’s the way I see it. Not that it’s a bad idea to have the community participate, or that the features are bad, but that by having 3 options 2/3 of the people are essentially disappointed and upset.
Mmm not true. Just because 40% voted the armadillo as their primary choice doesn't mean 60% people didn't want the armadillo. I know plenty if people who voted for the other two mobs that still didn't mind thst the armadillo won; they were still ok with it. The voting system isn't exactly the most representative voting system but that's a whole different discussion all together.
it's 1/3. a net loss of 33.33%.
your distribution is wrong, 3 choices means an even split of 33.33%.
33.33% are happy, while 66.66% is not.
this is still an oversimplification. Obviously not all 3 mobs recieved equal votes, otherwise there wouldn't be a winner... But I don't wanna do any more political math than I have to. Those are like the two subjects I hate and suck at the most.
@@remixtheidiot5771 I was basing it on the vote distribution that I had seen around. Which was that the Armadillo won with low 40s something.
Edit: Also, the subject is not political math, but accounting (for fun) and game design. The voting system is a pvp game mechanic, and pvp mechanics should be better than net zero fun, having one that is net negative is just bad.
@@hyrekandragon2665 The way to account for that would be to use a preferential voting system instead of a first past the post one.
Then your fun accounting could use weighted values for the amount of fun created/lost.
I think the inherent problem with the mob vote is that it’s always three mobs that the community votes on and the mob that always wins usually only wins with around 40% of the overall vote meaning that while it wins with the most votes, more often than not a majority of the player base didn’t want that mob. I think a better structure for the vote would be to only have 2 options from the jump. That way the winning mob needed to be selected by a majority of the voters
That won't change how many like the mob
I think if they did ranked-choice voting for the mobs it could help. Basically you vote for the mobs in order of what you like the most.
So let's say you wanted the Armadillo the most, Crab second most, and Penguin the least. You'd cast a vote that looked like this:
1. Armadillo
2. Crab
3. Penguin
When the vote ends, the mob with the most votes in the number 1 slot gets added. This means more people get the mob they wanted the most.
@@recycledwaste8737 yeah, that would make so much more sense than what they actually do. What about the Armadillo makes it impossible to add in the crab or penguin? They’re 3 different mobs in 3 different biomes that do 3 different things
@@hostile_profwhat makes it difficult is that they're always doing work on the background code and the content for the official update. The mob might not take a lot of time to make, in a rough sense. But all the bug testing and background code they do takes more time than people expect, and we don't know how full their current schedule is. They are still doing plenty of work on the code, it's just not work that's as visible as a block or mob. It's the code that prevents people from dying unfairly to bugs, or their world breaking down for exploring a whole lot
@@recycledwaste8737that’s not how ranked choice voting works. What you described would result in exactly what they do rn.
The essential part you miss is this:
After the penguin was voted out, people who had placed penguin as their 1st choice would still have a preference between armadillo or crab. Let’s say 100% of people who voted penguin this voted had crab as their 2nd choice. After penguin loses and is removed as an option, re-tally up the votes again, now the crab has won with ~60%. Giving a different result to the 40% win the armadillo had.
This makes the votes more in line with what the community actually wants. Though it’s still possible it would have remained as armadillo.
TLDR: People who voted penguin still have voting power after their first choice turned out to be a dud, getting a “second chance” to vote between crab or armadillo
I just think the concept of voting on which mobs will never appear in the game is a bit feels bad. I understand it’s a marketing thing, but it’s just going to cause a lot of upset
Yeah it can be very frustrating to see your mob lose, but I am just going to mention that these mobs are not necessarily gone forever.
Mojang has stated multiple times (including during this year's mc live) that the mobs do have a chnace to come back.
This vote in particular made me a bit bummed because I think the game could use a few more biome specific ambient mobs in a similar vein as the goats. Having crabs for beaches and penguins for colder regions could have added a little life to the world. That being said its really not worth getting TOO upset over.
As Felix said in his Blog, it's not just marketing -- it's a chance for the general playerbase to influence the most popular game on the planet when they otherwise wouldn't, and it's a chance for people who wouldn't otherwise talk like a gamedev to talk about game design and development.
And as always, every single mob that lost - excvept for 2017 - is in the ideas pool. For example, the Copper Golem has now been iterated on and is coming back as the Breeze.
@NilremR Combined with the biome votes, mob votes add only negligible amounts of life into the game which is nice, but it can't just be a little bit at a time. If they want to update biomes, that implies they think there's an issue with biomes not being as diverse as they should be. And they should update them all at once to get it out of the way. Adding a tiny bit every once in a while isn't fixing the issue they seem to be trying to fix.
@@terminatora1249 Lets be real, how often have "losing votes" actually come into the game at a later date? I can only recall one of the biomes (Snowy mountains/Goats or the Swamps/Frogs?) Most of the time, the losers are gone for good. The the amount of losers will fast outgrow the number of "losers getting in later"
While I agree with most of what you said, I do think you are slightly too kind to Mojang here. In Mojang’s eyes, the mob vote is just their way of drumming up engagement with minecraft live each year - and it’s quite clear to see this, as it seems like about 80% of the marketing in the lead up to Live was solely about the mob vote. They _make sure_ that the community cares about the mob vote, they make it seem incredibly important, they try to build excitement with the announcement videos. Because they want everyone to watch the livestream. So should we be surprised when the community *does* get very invested in their favourite mob? Especially when you have to take into account that the majority of the player base are children. I do think Mojang have, to a large extent, brought this problem upon themselves.
I think this is obvious. Maybe Mojang really can't put all three (or even two of the three) mobs in. Maybe they can easily do it. Either way, they will still use the mob vote as advertisement/engagement rather than "community involvement"
He says this in the video
It's standard emotional manipulation used by every politician, religion, and marketing team on the planet. Humans are extremely susceptible to dopamine addiction, and nobody thinks about this chemical addiction because 1. our own bodies create it, and 2. it's extremely difficult for the average person to even recognize the catalyst, let alone the psychological effect it is having on them. Same method used for millenia.
Yeah, Xisuma tends to go super easy on Mojang whenever they do something controversial. Its always good to hear different points of view, but its still important to remember the bias.
bruh idk why you guys watch the live stream but i watch it for the update reveal, i always thought of the mob vote as a side thing until i saw what ppl were saying online like a year ago. Ppl just take this stuff too seriously
I think losing mobs should always just be able to come back into the vote, so it feels like we still have power over what's added
If they always come back until they win, then you don't really have power over what's added, do you? Because no matter what you vote, every mob will always get in eventually, by that design.
That would make us have even less power wdym? Mojang would be adding the mobs regardless and we would just be choosing whichever comes first and second
Absolutely agree
@@name18745 Well, if a mob goes like 6 rounds without being added, they'll get the hint we don't want it
@@LightCrib2 six ROUNDS LMAO? Bro how many mob votes do you think there will BE?
I think mob votes are a net negative for the game. Most are over hiped and end up disappointing and the regret over the losing mobs lingers for years. The "ideas library " mojang has is getting more stuffed with losing mobs each year and is not being addressed. every year new concepts are reaveald , voted aut and forgotten about by mojang. Id rather not know what could be instead of having the regret of knowing something interesting could have benn added but never won the vote.
You say that now. But if they got rid of the vote, people would complain that they have no voice and Mojang doesn't listen to the community. There's no winning.
You really shouldn't think of this as "we could have had all these mobs, but we only got one". Instead, you should think of it realistically: "without the vote, we wouldn't have any of these mobs, but now we get one!" Alternatively, "we are only ever going to get one, so it's nice that they kept their promise to let us choose which!"
@@KBRoller is it so bad to lose the mob vote?you are givin the option of 3 preselected mobs to chose from, how is that supposed to change the game in the way we want it to change. Mobs we thought could be bountiful with features are usually not as good as expected like for example the sniffer who only drops two different types of plants when the playerbase expected at least 10 decorative plants. Mob votes are borderline useless at changing the update theme so why don't they just do the simplest thing and listen what the majority of people want for an update and make it. They did this with the 1.14 villager update and the 1.16 nether , were the updates introduced changes that were always highly requested by the community. I think listening to what the player base wants is better than given them a pre chosen set of ideas that are always going cause a significant devide between fans with what should win for "future potential uses/additions" like people had speculated about the Sniffer. Mob votes are just not a reliable way to change the game in the way we want and always cause anger , regret and controversy when ever they happen.
@@KBRoller isn't it better not to know what could have been instead of knowing what won't be. All ideas are good ideas for the game but I don't like having to choose between them, I'd rather them do behind closed dores and see what fits and what gets tossed aside. Mob votes only frustrat people because of potentially losing what they thought was good for the game and potentially never seeing it again. Adding all three is ridiculous to expect mojang to do instead just not do the mob votes anymore and just listen what popular update ideas are actually in the community.
@@Gigi4u I prefer to see what kinds of ideas the devs are coming up with, and to get to pick my favorite, than to have Mojang be a black box with no way to influence the game.
The point of the votes isn't to change the game in the way you, in particular, want to change it. It's to change the game in the way the most players want to, as opposed to the devs just guessing what players would like to play.
Can you imagine if your perspective were applied to anything serious? "I'd rather no one get to vote for President than to get a vote but see my candidate lose. That way I won't have to see who the President could have been." Obviously I'm not saying a game's vote is as important as a presidential election, but that viewpoint is harmful for the same reason in both cases.
@@KBRoller we so far don't have a single mob ever return after losing the mob vote and with mojang saying they have no plans to add the copper golem to an update with a large copper structure is not helping with this problem. The only possibili way to fix this without removing the mob vot is maby to do a annual mob vote loser update that releases every 5 or more years. Which could start actually reducing the pile of losing mob trapped in ideas library limbo.
This is a serious problem with the mob votes that they are not addressing. Every year the ideas library grows larger and there are only two solutions ether stop mob votes or start dealing with the large amounts of mobs still waiting
I feel like Mojang should do away with the mob vote entirely. The vote creates a situation where far too many people are disappointed every year. It's a completely ridiculous ordeal that is perpetuated by the community.
I like the idea of a biome or biome update vote, where whatever biome will come with a new mob if there's one that'll fit. For example, let's say they vote to update the desert. THEN, they can maybe add the vulture. Maybe they update the ocean again, add the monster of the deep, and so on.
My opinion is Mojang should not always create new mobs each year for the mob vote. Bring in some runner up mobs.
I think it takes alot of resources and time that could be put back into developing more for the next update when they create three unique mobs with new features each update.
I think this is a good thing for them to do, seems like a win-win to me but kids are gonna find a way to complain anyway
I think I would absolutely prefer this option of bringing back candidates from prior mob/biome votes we would all be able to see the the likelihood that runners up will eventually join the game
Most of the rejected mobs were rejected because they weren't good. Sorry, please don't waste a vote slot on a tuff golem.
@@fwiffo Well I think thats fair, however these mobs are never really ground breaking in the first place. Some are more interesting than others, with the mechanics they propose, others not so much.
I would think if Mojang did ever bring another mob back into a vote, they most likely would tweak their proposed in game features.
I honestly don't think they spend too much time dreaming up new potential mobs... Like they say, it's the very basics of the design and they don't even have implementation yet. They're just concepts at their core.
I think that the mob vote takes dev attention away from other features. It also seems to create a scenario where every problem is solved by a mob. Both of those cause long term development issues, and I think that means the mob vote is more trouble than it’s worth, and should this stop occurring.
A new mob every once in a while is really good, but there are other features that need work. Parity, for one. They made a big deal about parity but I don't see quasi-connectivity being added to Bedrock or buttons on top of fences and walls being added to Java any time soon. Java also needs optimization and modernization. True, combing through the entire game's code and fixing every little bug or CPU-eating bit of obsolete code would take immense time to do, which is why it should be done bit by bit, and once the changes are playtested and deemed ready for release, Minecraft gets one huge update likely called The Performance Update. Perhaps they could integrate some Optifine/Sodium-like features, introduce multithreading where possible, update the lighting engine, the sky's the limit when you free up developer resources from adding a new mob every year that inevitably disappoints half of the community.
@@lsswappedcessnathey have been optimizing and bug fixing bit by bit
@@lsswappedcessnathe problem with the optimisation update is that the community will not like it. Buzzy bees was not enjoyed, and they had better reputation back then. If they do a similiar update right now, there will be even more death threats and we'll probably enter doxxing territory. Would this channel's audience enjoy optimisation? Yes, but also we're probably older on average. The overall reaction will probably be very mixed.
@@leochangesnames That is a fair point, a lot of the Minecraft community right now has trouble with understanding just how difficult of a situation the devs are in. They're having to try and keep older (late teens and adult) players like us interested while also having to cater to children (and manchildren) that only care about new content and not about optimization or under-the-hood changes.
I guess that's why modded minecraft has appealed more and more to me (and I suspect an increasing number of other players) over the past few years. I've personally had a ton of fun fooling with the Create mod.
Speaking of mods, the reason I mentioned an optimization update is because there's a mod for the Fabric ecosystem called Sodium, which I mentioned briefly in my previous comment. Now, the thing with Minecraft is that it doesn't exactly utilize your computer to its full capabilities. Optifine improves upon this and is great for people who prefer the Forge ecosystem for modding, but Sodium supercharges it in my experience. Using Sodium is the smoothest and most polished I've ever felt the game be and that includes playing Bedrock on both console and downloading Windows Edition the other day to play with a friend who is still on xbox, and Bedrock is already seemingly optimized far better than Java. If vanilla Java Minecraft could not only run as well as Minecraft + fabric loader + Sodium + Sodium plugins AND have shader support in the vanilla game AND have a more modern menu system, I could not care less what is or isn't added in the future. People may not like it at first, a-la buzzy bees, but like the bee update I think the community would slowly come to love the changes that would be made, especially if the java version suddenly didn't require a quantum computer to run at over 15 fps.
I think the problem mostly is showing off features with the intention of not adding 2/3rds of those features.
They do not show features, they show "ideas for features". It is natural for most brainstormed ideas to be rejected at this stage...
They showed what could have been in the game to the community knowing full well that all of its not going to be added consequently getting the community pissed
@@vee24 the thing is that they specifically said they would only show fully finished features during Live events. Meaning that either that is a lie. Or all 3 of these mobs are fully functional. They promised to only show off things that will come to the game, yet 2 out of the 3 will not see the light of day for years, or just never at all
I feel like they could get away with the mob vote if they had bigger updates. They have already had 2 lackluster updates in a row, with a 3rd just announced. If the mob vote did not make up 40% of the update, people would be more accepting.
@@oliverwatson8232 I fully agree with this too. The amount of hype Live gets, and the quality of the updates don’t match. Id rather have them not update for 2 years and then drop these 3 updates as a single update instead. With a big in person event
It isn't so much about the vote itself that people are angry about, its more so that the community has become fed up with Mojang dangling features in front of us and then either taking 3 updates to implement it, or just completely not adding it at all. The Caves and Cliffs update took years to be fully implemented because it took longer than expected to develop, and so 1.17 was only blocks, and eventually the entire caves and cliffs feature set was implemented, however some features like the bundle are still not accessible in survival. Then we get told that fireflies can't be added because frogs die if they eat them, well in that case, just add the fireflies like you promised, and don't have frogs eat them, and in the same update, where promised a rework of swamps, which didn't happen, and only mangrove swamps where added. They also showed the birch forest having a minor rework, and that never happening. You could argue that the birch forest was just concept art and so that wasn't confirmed, but in that case don't show it on Minecraft live. So, at that point the community was just tired of having things shown to us and then never seeing it ever again, so they just wanted all the options because of how lacking everything has been in recent times.
They really messed up with that one Minecraft Live, but since then they’ve been much more careful to share only features that WILL make it and none that MIGHT make it.
This anger over unadded features is at least a year old at this point
This is not about Minecraft's development time, this is about player expectations. I personally loved that they showed some insight into their development, but apparently the community isn't mature nor patient enough to handle that information.
An update with just blocks and a single mob, perhaps even a wood type, is just the standard amount for an update. It's been the case since like 1.2 (that's 1.2, not 1.12!). But apparently nowadays it's not even enough to take some extra time to make the world literally two times bigger and revolutionise cave exploration, and god forbid they only add ONE new boss to the game!!
The current update shows that they are taking feedback. People have been crying about wanting a challenge, so they're adding the challenge dungeons. They're giving more capabilities to the copper block in the form of more building materials, and they're making clear that the concepts of the tuff and copper golems aren't going to waste.
It's clear that they are willing to listen, and now it's the Minecraft community's turn for once
Or just add fireflys and let the frogs die. Other animals like wolves and foxes already hunt and kill in MC, and you can kill parrots with chocolate (cookies). They have no problem adding mobs dying naturally in MC.
@@cluelessmango768 people STILL are hung up on what MIGHT make it with their votes. Look back to the implications people had over Allays, Sniffer, (and now Dog Armor) 🤣🤣 I will grant, Mojang have been working to improve the vote with each year... but it certainly dont seem to be improving, if at all 😆
I don't even think the world generation improved that much, everything felt too samey, and that was a whole update
I'm actually leaning towards anti-mob vote, not because I think we should have all the mobs, but because I don't think it necessarily leads to a better game. If it's supposed to be super lighthearted with no consequence, then why even attach any functionality to the mobs at all? They should be purely aesthetic/atmospheric, like the glow squid (even that was assumed-wrongly-to have *some* functionality)
Tbh I glow my signs literally all the time so like...
Dream forces us to vote for the glow squid!
We got mad when he do that!
He even bully us on Twitter! He is very mean speedrunner! Even he apologized, but it's too late! Peoples already voted for the glow squid!
Why would you have extra useless mobs
It degrades the performance of the game
Which is already bad without performance mods
Our computers aren't getting any better
I am still using a CPU from 2013
@@kate_isawesome1207one, you have the grammar of a kindergartner
Two, he didn't FORCE anything and I'm extremely tired of this braindead take
All he did was what EVERY OTHER creator was doing
Now give your mom back her ipad, it's past your bedtime
@@kate_isawesome1207yeah but glow ink is actually somewhat useful if you have shitty eyesight.
My main concern, and I think one that isn't talked about enough, is the finality of the mob added. The mobs aren't changed after they are made, even if they are a bust, making EVERYONE a bit more on-edge about the outcome of the vote. There would always still be complaints, but I think it wouldn't be nearly this heated if the stakes didn't feel so high.
Like the phantom, universally thought of as a failed mob - why not even try to rework it? The glow squid also has been seen as underwhelming - maybe add another use to glow ink? I think if Mojang showed that even if the mob is disappointing at first, they would keep and eye on it and keep iterating on it when it fails to improve the game for most players, then some players would feel a bit better even about a "bad" mob winning. And I get that the devs already have a full work load, but I think having that reputation/precedent is worth it and should be prioritized to some extent.
For this dog armor, if its not great, perhaps a 2nd use for armadillo scute could be made. If they had the reputation/precedent that they will try to make the added mob relevant to most players if it is underwhelming or it turns out few players actually use it, then I think less people would get so upset about it. Instead, many people think "oh dog armor, another voted mob that's useless to me and it has 0% chance of ever becoming useful to me, I hate it and it would be better for me if nothing was added at all".
They don't have to obsess over it though, I'm not saying it should get so much attention that they can't move on with the development. It doesn't have to even all be in 1 patch, maybe small improvements over a long time. Just better than it is now with the current zero support for "failed" mobs.
But I agree about the other points brought up in the video. Especially about surprising players with a second place mob sometimes, especially if it was popular and a close race in the votes.
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I've stated this on other videos, but the reason mob votes are so vilified by the community, aside from the fact they create controversy, is because of how Mojang has treated second and third place mobs. Mojang has stated before that the purpose of mob votes is to see what ideas they add and which ideas they should can/save later. The issue with how the vote is working currently is that Mojang has shown little interest in adding any of the mob/biome vote losers despite the community vote being done for 6 years now. And while they have told us they plan on adding the mobs eventually, it'll take a lot more than that to achieve what the community wants, that being seeing all or at least some of the losers in-game. Now Mojang has added the swamp update into 1.19, which is a step in the right direction. But that's it, it's ONE step in the right direction. Mojang hasn't made any strides ever since which has obviously upset the community. Like you said, if Mojang were to add another mob/biome vote loser, it would really boost their reputation by showing that Mojang is actually willing to commit to what they promise.
Biome votes were advertised as "Vote on which biome we should update first" vs Mob votes "Vote on which Mob you would like to see in Minecraft" the first has always implied the rest are coming later. The second has always implied the rest are shelved. The frog mentioned at Minecraft Live felt like a last minute attempt to calm the waters while forgetting the marketing differences.
in the first mob vote, Jeb clearly said said the other ones will never be in the game. They never really communicated that this changed.
@@defense200x Jeb said that during the first mob vote, but Mojang once said in a following mob vote that the losing mobs are added to the "idea board".
I would take the biome vote here out, because the biome remains, and there is always a reason to revisit those ideas, whenever it gets updated, mobs have no reason.
You have absolutely no idea what conversations are happening within Mojang beyond what they are able to publicly show. To expect that adding three mobs to their backlog every year, and they should guarantee that list gets completed "fast enough" to satisfy you, is unrealistic and, frankly, selfish. As a software developer myself, it does feel like you're treating the devs like slaves: "if you mention an idea, you MUST implement it, and if you don't do it fast enough, we RIOT! Make your coding fingers dance, puppets, until I'm satisfied!"
Quite frankly the vote has been consistently negative every year. It's a system where typically 50+% of people are disappointed with the vote itself and then a large portion of the people are then disappointed with the implementation. Personally I think the fact that it consistently disappoints most of the community is reason enough not to do it. The conspiracy theories about it being rigged are dumb, but I'm with the community on this one, the vote needs to stop.
You are coming at this with the opinion that the entire community needs to change the way they view this event rather than a company fixing or stopping the event. Higher participation is not always a good thing. Publicity is not always a good thing for the community. The mob votes have been phantoms at worst and nothing burgers at best.
X you see this as not a big deal, but to many people this is something that has grown and grown over the years. I don't think this is the vocal minority, this is the majority. This entire video comes of as you telling that their feelings are invalid. People are upset and it's kind of messed up to tell them they are wrong to be upset. People want change, and voicing their opinions is pretty much the only way to make that happen. Yeah there might be some bad eggs taking this too far, but as a whole I think that the community has spoken and you are more than a little out of touch with this response.
Well said thank you
Great response, you spoke much more eloquently than I could. X is great, but in this video he is definitely a little biased towards Mojang. Of course, I’m not blaming X for this bias because it’s impossible for him not to be. He loves Minecraft and plays it for a living, so of course he’ll like Mojang as a result.
While I see the discomfort of the devs who I tend to actually really like.. That said, when a large portion of the community has turned so sour toward the vote it isn't right for the developers to just feel like it's embarrassing to be a part of the community. Read the room Mojang, just give the vote a break OR give us a vote of which comes first.
I don't think we should go around telling folks to not be upset by a divisive "engagement" tactic when they get excited for a losing mob. I dunno, there isn't a clear, clean solution. But just ignoring/writing off the frustration is a recipe to just further divide the community unnecessarily.
but the vote IS about wich mob will come first
the community is causing it's own division. Mojang has done nothing to cause division. Just because the people in the community are too immature to realize how good they have it with minecraft doesn't mean they have any right to blame the devs for getting their own panties in a twist over a video game that has been giving free content for 14 years now. If someone gets mad that something they wanted didn't get in the game and they continue to be sour about it and actively harass the devs for it, that is them being absolutely immature. And just like how so many people have said, modders can add these mobs so the people who lost can and will still be able to play the game with the mob they wanted. If they choose not to do that then that goes to further show how horrible these people are being for literally no reason
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bro, you dropped this 👉👑
@@LonerFreaks64
It's not.
While yes the mobs do have a chanace to return there is no guarantee that they will.
@@terminatora1249 the frog came back, and they never said they will like, just throw them in the trash or som shit
When I started playing minecraft about 10 years ago, the devs put whatever they want in game and not everyone liked it so they just kept old versions or used mods. Now they give us a tiny amount of input and everyone hates it. Maybe it was better when they just did their own thing and gave us more ways of changing the game ourselves
You said it, they listen to the community, but it is eventually them that have the last say. It's not like that with the mob vote. Stopping the mob vote and letting Mojang decide what makes its way into the game would be better.
Honestly, the votes would be far less controversial if there was a guarantee that the losing mobs would still make it to the game eventually. 6 years on from the 2018 biome vote and we still haven't got the desert or savanah updates (even though it was promised iirc), which, along with the badlands from the 2019 vote, could have significantly improved the Wild Update, but we only got the swamp. They did hint at the crab and penguin still coming in a future update by mentioning examples of losers that did make into the game after announcing the armadillo's victory, so there is still hope.
That being said, there shouldn't be this much toxicity. This isn't a political election. The results aren't going to determine your irl outcome.
I don't really see where "so much toxicity" is coming from, just a huge amount of frustration that Mojang could at least acknowledge that the stuff we didn't vote for will never be added, rather than letting old promises sit out in the open forever.
The issue is lack of communication, and failure to deliver on promises. They are the worlds most sold game, they need to start acting like it.
the main problem of the mc community is that they take things to another level, like, they complain about things that changes nothing in their lifes but they complain like it was the biggest problem in the world, when its just... a feature not being added in a block game, they also hate on the devs so much bro like, man they're just doing their job, they also have their own lifes they aren't glued to their computers, so yeah, the main problem of everthing is that they take shit too seriously, mfs got SO mad over something so stupid like, a texture slightly different and a 2 pixels mob that does absolutely nothing and was forgotten in 1 year.
@@PanoptesDreamswell, the only promise that they didn't gave us already is the bundle, but its they're working on it anyway so, whatever
@@LonerFreaks64 Bundles, biomes, version parity, mobs, mod API. All things that had promises that haven't or won't be delivered. You clearly know very little and are here to suck off Mojang.
Bundles are still not in the game because of so called Parity. Yet Java doesn't have snowy leaves, potion cauldrens, dyeable water.... Go to the wiki to see the literal hundreds of differences between the two versions.
Years of the communities discontent sort of added up to this year and it straight up snapped
preach.
and yet people continue to shill/excuse the *actually* toxic behavior of having this vote at all. especially in the elimination format it is. [and frogs or other biome vote mobs don't count, those were priority votes] no matter how you slice it, mojang made this mess, and then they chose to make an even bigger mess of it.
and ofc, the vote is only ONE thing...
@@ETXAlienRobot201 They have problems but this whole mob vote debacle is childish. Basically makes the community look like a spoiled child and people are completely overlooking serious problems such as the EULA changes and the policing of private servers. Getting worked up over digital mobs is downright ridiculous. If they're toxic, the community is even worse.
@@excaliburknight1016EULA reaction was also blown out of proportion.
It would be fine if the discourse was about how it is _enforced,_ but that's not what's happening, people are discussing the document itself. I've seen only one analysis conducted by an actual lawyer, and the tldr is "it's just now phrased better lol".
@@excaliburknight1016 EULA issues and whatnot came and gone. at the end of the day, everyone either gave-up or was silenced.
the mob vote seems a trivial issue at first glance. but in reality, it's not. that's been covered in detail multiple times now.
anyways, i have better things to do than continue to argue this. changes since were announced, we'll see what happens in the future.
@@ETXAlienRobot201
People were not “silenced” lmao
Y’all will act like any moderation is literally 1984
The voteing isnt the issue imo, its the really cool fleshed out mobs getting thrown to the wayside forever. I think they need to make the voting determine which mob should be introduced first. With the losers being added in a later update.
I didn’t know there was a whole hashtag or anything about this until I saw this video. But after this vote I was definitely feeling like I wish they’d stop doing these votes.
It’s a minor thing, but not once has a mob I wanted won, and it just feels like an annual thing for me to just feel a little bit sad about. This year was particularly sharp because crabs are my favorite animal. I know it’s not a big deal, and I’m not going to throw a fit, but I really wish they would just add what they’re going to add instead of showing us two of three features they won’t be adding.
yeah exactly
The developers really do have to understand why people give them so much hate. It’s not the little things here and there, it’s not that people aren’t getting the mobs they wanted, it’s deeper than that. People are frustrated by the state of the core game, so much so that any loss of something that would’ve improved their personal experience is more horrible than it really is, and instead of addressing that experience in the core game, mojang is dedicating development time they say is scarce to things that don’t improve it. The developers will fight people on twitter all day about how doing this or that is a bad idea when they should be trying to see why so many people are asking for things to begin with.
I think you're getting Minecraft and Mojang mixed up with The Sims 4 and EA. And the Sims 4 was made free effectively so people couldn't complain.
@@sacrificiallamb4568That argument of “it’s free, you can’t complain or be upset” is just flawed. If I gave you a sandwich for free but spat in it just before I handed it off, would you still want it? Wouldn’t you have a right to complain?
Exactly. It's ridiculous. I was just on Sims Xbox and it wouldn't let me save. The menu doesn't work. THE MENU. I can't press buttons or exit the menu.@@RhianKristen
I really would like if Mojang turned down how many features come from the mob vote ngl. People seem to be voting for what feature they think the mobs will introduce over what mob they'd actually genuinely would like to see. I've seen some UA-cam posts where people go like: yeah who are you voting for; extra range, wolf armour, somewhat speedier boats.
I feel like looking at the mob vote that way diminishes things so much. Like yes its cool that it innovates now, but it just feels bad if you just want a mob for it being a cool inclusion in the game.
What I'd say might be nicer is to have the mobs be the big cool thing you get and sure they can get a feature along with them, but to have any feature from the others still added with just a vanilla twist. Eg. With this vote, hey armadillo won, cool now those are wolf armour but with some piston crafting you could get the reach, and a potion could do the boats. It would add flavour to the mob we select, without people apparently feeling forced to vote for the in game feature they want over hey I like cute penguin I'd like that in the game.
One thing i want to point out as we talk about this, on the biome votes specifically, mojang said the vote was for what biome(and mob) got updated(added) first, they said all would come in time. But that hasn't come to pass. That isn't an accusation of laziness from non developers. It is a broken promise.
Em, the the only way to break that promise is to stop updating the game entirely. They never said or implied that it's going to happen in update 1.XX
This gives them more control over the development process and makes things not feel rushed like archaeology, which is a good thing. For example, if they decided to update mountains straight away, they wouldn't have gotten nearly as cool as they are now. (I'm not saying that other biomes need to be as crazily improved as mountains, but I would prefer them to be at least somewhat polished)
It has happened though, we have gotten frogs and boats with chests which were the losing vote in a previous year.
I would be so sad if this was the reason why penguins never get added to Minecraft. The mob vote ensures the players vote for the most influential and adds the most mob, not the mob we would have wanted to just exist
Penguins will be added, they directly stated that
@@AlphaFX-kv4udnot exactly, they just said it could be added in the future
Yeah the only reason I wanted the crab is bc crabs are awesome. I just wanted it to make a bunch of crab farms and stuff :]
Youre right in that, i havent been invested in any of the votes anymore. It's just expected chaos followed by expected disappointment from all sides.
But thats kinda the point no? They want engagement but all this is doing is dulling it
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. On one hand, I feel like the mob vote is a good way for there to be community participation, a good way for Mojang to market the game, and a good way for new mobs to be introduced yearly to keep the game fresh and add a little more life to areas that need it (EX: The Armadillo for the Savanna, the Glow Squid for Oceans, etc.) That said, I do wish that it wasn't 3 new mobs every year. Rather, I wish that last year's mobs were brought back with a new addition each time. (EX: 2021's mob vote would have been Moobloom, Iceologer, and Allay. Then say the Moobloom won, then 2022's would be Iceologer, Allay, and Copper Golem, and so on and so forth). With this, you could also make it so the mob vote happens more than once a year. Make it like an every 6 months thing. This really makes the community feel like they have an active role I feel like, plus means that most features will find their way into the game eventually.
This would have to have a rule where, if a mob lost the vote a certain number of times in a row - maybe 3? - they would be removed from the vote. But I genuinely think that this is a great idea and wish that this was the way that the mob vote worked
You know the glow squids dont spawn in oceans right?
The thing is, it's been two updates since the "first" mob vote (the first one were scrapped because they didn't have prototypes working.) Where would those mobs fit into those new updates? Mooblooms were for lush caves and iceologers were for mountains of C&C. Those wouldn't fit in wild update, nor t&t. Glare and copper golem were made for wild update and wouldn't fit in t&t. Now we have a new update with a couple features announced that may very well add some past winners. We don't know, so there's no reason to complain
@@axolirvin971yes, that's just what I was thinking. Otherwise every vote will become a choice between two mobs that the community is sick of and truly doesn't want, and whatever the designers came up with most recently. Maybe occasionally bring back in one of the old discarded options to see if opinion has improved.
I'd say save just 1 mob from previous years, whatever was 2nd place. Potentially, only give it one second chance. But I don't know if any of this helps the community take it in a more positive way. There are several awkward tradeoffs: The more info Mojang gives us, the more attached we get to each option, making it feel like a loss instead of a gain. The same goes with giving people more time. On the other hand, if people are given less time and less information, the whole thing feels less fair and there people will have regrets after the fact (like with phantoms).
Ah yes, Minecraft is such a great game for listening to its community. Like how it’s graciously continuing to let people do a vote that’s tearing the community apart, and completely ignoring the suggestions/feedback site until people forget it exists. Not to mention turning a blind eye to basically any backlash for anything.
The feedback site is not ignored, that’s just not correct. And this backlash didn’t warrant addressing; it was people bitching about their free handouts not being shiny enough; not a very sophisticated or worthy debate, nor a real revolution or even protest in any meaningful capacity.
@@XIN3OHd I’m not just referring to this, I’m referring to aaalllll the backlash over the past few years. And how on earth is the feedback/suggestion site not ignored? So far as I’m aware, nothing from it has ever made it into the game.
@@oberonpanopticon The piglin brute was from the suggestion site
@@aristoddle7947 Really? Interesting, I (obviously) had no idea. Never mind then!
@oberonpanopticon also I believe the treasure map was from the suggestion page. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was
Each year, the "community" is split in 3 more or less equal parts .. and 2/3rds are left disappointed. Over the years, many good mobs have been left behind and all of them would be great additions to the game. None of them seem to be game breaking. I think, that reaching further or traveling faster is more useful than armor for dogs. I understand that it's close to human nature to want to protect your pet as much as possible and thus understand the outcome of the latest vote.
There are tens, if not hundreds, of ideas tossed around a game design studio every year. Just because an idea would be good in the game doesn't mean they should all be added; there are many reasons why. When a mob loses the vote, you're not "losing the mob" -- you never had it, it was never implemented, it never existed. You're just getting a different mob instead. If there was no mob vote, that would still happen, except the mob would be chosen by the devs. So at least with the vote, 1/3 or more of the community gets the mob they want, as opposed to us all potentially getting a mob that no one wants.
@@KBRoller
it is not in good faith to have this vote, then. they are *enticing* us with content that they could add, knowing full well 2/3 of it will be scrapped. they're playing us against each other to get the final veto. this is peak toxicity, right here. and then despite the inevitable outcome, they go *well out of their way* to market the vote. more recently, this even meant creating a whole server that has custom mini-games. said custom mini-games rely on behavior packs to implement the required mechanics. they also use custom resource packs. they make these animations, which also takes time and resources. if they don't have the time and resources to add 3 mobs [which mind you, we're fine with "...eventually"] , then they sure as *hell* don't have the time and resources for the myriad of extra things they're doing which don't actually contribute to the base game at all.
The biome vote and its mobs do *not* count for "well, they got added eventually" because these are actually promised features. It is disingenuous of Mojang and of various others to compare *priority* votes to *elimination* votes.
"but, we genuinely don't have the time/resources, you just don't understand!" a multi-billion dollar corporation with slightly less than 1000 [recorded] employees is making this claim. The average mod developer is vastly outpacing them, other *commercial* developers big and small are outpacing them, and multiple *official projects* are outpacing them.
"the underlying systems!" If they're *that* difficult to deal with when adding features, then perhaps serious time/effort needs to be put exclusively into technical updates. Don't add content, don't tease content, fix the codebase.
"but multiple versions/platforms!". a problem you created for yourself. This is why [well, besides WHY that's so difficult] many developers *don't* do cross-platform.
"It will get re-visited/added, eventually". when? multiple updates have now passed where at least one loser well fit-in with the theme of the update. Only a single actually losing mob [frogs DO NOT COUNT] has made it even slightly close, The wildfire was added to dungeons, a spin-off game.
"needs more work to be 'perfect' " : phantoms are annoying, allays are totally useless and too rare/difficult to bother obtaining them. the statement in the 1.21 showcase about "we'd like to re-visit/revise old content" also speaks for itself. just accept that you might have to fix/tweak it in a later version. as minecraft evolves, this will often become necessary. also, the 2020 mobs were 100% implemented in their respective games, 90% of the work was DONE. only one truly would've posed a challenge because it's a hostile mob. oh, and how about mobs that CAN'T spawn naturally precisely because they aren't really finished?
what about, crowd-sourcing? Mod developers, if you're RESPECTFUL to them and don't encumber them with bureaucratic red tape, would probably be quite happy to help refine/implement these. Which they've been doing unofficially, anyways...
to you, specifically :
"they might add something we don't want/like". they've done this multiple times, actually...
"1/3 of the community gets something they want". how about 2/3 that *don't*? This is genuinely *better* than the alternative? This FRACTURES the community. We should kiss Mojang's ass for that? Sorry, NO! absolutely NOT! Especially important is that they're passing the buck to us. If they're going to decide "we shouldn't add this" , they need to decide that *themselves* , not put the burden on us to play design-by-committee. We don't need to know "we were thinking about adding this, but decided not to", because it is frankly, asinine to expect people to not become quite passionate about what could've been to the point of inducing RAGE when it doesn't happen.
Fact of the matter, the problem here isn't whether we lost something that actually exists or was planned. The problem is this entire event is inherently flawed and toxic/exploitative/divisive by its design. That is the exclusive fault of M$/Mojang, not us. [namely, it's of the corporate executives as all bad decisions in a company are] And instead of any other option which is more likely to have a net positive to the game and community, they have continued to do the same thing for multiple years. Well, this year they got called + cancelled for it. No matter how you slice it, the problem here is apathy and mismanagement at the hands of microsoft and mojang. The excuses will no longer be tolerated.
@@ETXAlienRobot201It's just a vote for fun for a block building game...
@@ETXAlienRobot201"You're a sad strange little man" - Buzz lightyear.
The hard thing is when you have some nice arguments but thinks it justify the absolute dick you're being about the block game.
Have critics, post them, discuss them, share them! That's healthy. But holy moly "peak toxicity"?
Fact is that this game will never satisfy someone like you
"Focus on optimizing"
Why they're not adding anything? They're rich
Adds the mob you voted for
"The mob is useless, how disappointing"
As my personal suggestion:
Leave Minecraft, the game will never be good enough for you
@@ETXAlienRobot201That was way too much for me to read when it's all just complaining. But I did read the first paragraph, and I think you may not understand what a *vote* means. To say "it's in bad faith to hold a vote if they know the losers won't win" is ridiculous. If they were going to add all the things, they wouldn't *need* a vote. The whole POINT of a vote, in general, is if you know only one, or a subset, of the choices can happen, and you want to figure out which one it should be. If all the choices are going to happen, *then a vote means nothing.* If anything, holding a vote when the voting results don't matter is what would be in bad faith, as it would be a fake vote.
Do you know what the difference is between an addon and a mod? Between a mod and the core code? Do you know how professional software development works? And lastly, do you know that the difference between a reason and an excuse is that a reason has actual logical connection to the results -- which is very different from you personally understanding that connection?
As a software developer myself, seeing you rant and rave and blame the devs while dismissing the reasons they do what they do, because YOU don't understand their job, and because YOU are greedy and don't understand the very concept of a vote.... you can fuck right off with your unfounded sense of entitlement and go rant to yourself in a corner somewhere instead. It'll have just as little effect on Mojang, but the public won't have to hear your whining.
I remember back in the day when a horse being added to the game was the biggest thing to happen to Minecraft. Like that was the entire update, a horse and some blocks,
and we were thrilled.
Horses are Cool, They do Cool stuff when nothinglike that was vanilla.
These things arent cool and causr people to lose their cools.
Just be cool and make a good product I say.
Probably because they were an ACTUAL indie company at the time
Yooooo I was so hyped for that update 😂
You may have been. I was not. That was the first update I felt disappointed in. But it was followed by like ten good updates, so I just shrugged it off.
Consistent disappointment is a more recent thing.
I think that at the very least, the anti-mob vote moment had a point. Coding is difficult, but Mojang very well could code the losing mobs into minecraft- through that update or another one !
The coding process for a developer to add a mob is trivial, but the entire game design process associated with adding a mob is what takes time. That being said, I think Mojang has a very specific image in mind for Minecraft, and if they added mobs at the rate people would want, it could make the game feel bloated.
I mean, while we're at it, they very well could code most of their scrapped ideas into the game as well, but nobody cares about those.
And that's why we must come back to the point made about ideas we never know about.
Every game that exists has a huge percentage of ideas and experiments that are shelved and removed from the design process.
These things happen for all sorts of gameplay reasons from actually not working as part of the game to causing spec issues such as lag and crashes.
ironically penguins are already in minecraft. education edition, which they amusingly promoted shortly after dropping the penguin from the vote. "Sorry kids, no penguin for you. Moving on, check out these cool penguins in Minecraft!" LMAO
@@bungbloopity Idk. I feel the only game in existance where "but mods can do this easily too" is Minecraft. Every other game when you add creatures from whatever mod, you cant just claim "its easy". But with how MC works there are very clear and defined things that define what mobs can do and how they spawn. If there isnt a special animation for it like with the Warden, that stuff is very easy to pull off.
But lets look at the more recent mobs in comparison. There is the Crab and the Armadillo, both of which could/can have unique animations. The Armadillo is capable of rolling into a ball upon meeting danger and the crab can wave at you. These are more specific behaviors which they have to code in proper. But how would they do it? Quite easily. Both are passive mobs. So the Armadillo gets hit aka takes damage from a player or other entity and immediately goes into defense mode. Let it take less damage in this mode, let it take up to 15 seconds to get out and bobs your uncle. Job done.
For the crab its even simpler. its a regular mob overall. Lets pretend it can only walk from side to side like real crabs. This would be the challenging part. The waving when it spots a player? Not so much. Its another behavioral trigger that gets activated by an already existing system. The system which, you guessed it, lets the AI spot the player. We already use it for every mob that exists. But now this spotting triggers the animation at a chance.
There is not much more they have to do beyond this. You could even change one of the already existing mobs to behave like this quite easily without changing anything in the game otherwise.
Mojang keeps saying that the mobs may come back in the future, but the thing is we have yet to have it happen. There have been several updates that would have been perfect for one of the mobs, but they didn’t get in for some reason. Until they actually bring a mob back, they need to stop claiming that they can because it’s getting hard to believe them
I simply will not believe, that mojang studio doesn’t have enough time and resources, especially money, to add all three mobs in the game at once
They could add 50 mobs every update, but I’d rather them focus their time on features they actually want to add instead of inconsequential mobs. Mojang throws out tons of ideas all the time, the mobs from the vote are no different
@@futuregamer25 the thing is they just did presented three ideas, which meant that they were ready to give enough time for a specific one. And I really don’t know why they can’t give enough time to all three. The game just reached 300 millions copies sold. The company have only one game truly to work on.
@@vankuper again I question why we aren’t upset at them scraping any other of the 100s of ideas they come up with. Sure they could add 2 more mobs but why would they? Why not any other of the 100s of mobs?
@@futuregamer25 I am personally very upset over lots of things mojang did, specifically, did not do. Combat system is awful. Optimization too, you can fix it with mods, but that does not give credits to mojang. Vertical slabs, for gods sake, what difficult in adding such. And many more
For the mob vote, I think there's two solutions (or, three actually). The first one is to vote which one is coming first or something that can go alongside it is, making the mob vote but instead of voting for new mobs where two could be thrown out and making the list only bigger and bigger, making a mob vote with previous losing mobs (2024, we could vote for the Iceologer, Rascal, or Crab). The second option is instead of voting for a new mob, we vote for what the upcoming mob would be (like voting for if it will be hostile, neutral, or passive; (if hostile, will it be a boss or not) or (if passive, tamable or not); aquatic, terrestrial or flying; ambient or not; generates in a structure or spawns; will it ride on other mobs; etc). Just in case, the second method is what Big Blue Bubble did to design Strombonin and Buzzinga. Guess Mojang is not the only studio to make the community this engaged and I think, Big Blue Bubble does the voting option better than Mojang because we don't see ideas that could have been cool thrown out just because we prefer another idea. At least, with BBB, we either get to vote for an attribute of an upcoming thing or we vote on things that don't affect the gameplay at all like a name (okay, maybe the Amber Island rerun vote might resemble the biome vote but, it's not that bad either).
Agreed, bbb does an awesome job with community engagement when they do a community vote that feels nice. With Minecraft it just feels like everyone is up and arms about the mob. I think Mojang could learn from BBB
@@DiamondHD_ Even the biggest companies can learn from smaller studios. There's a good reason why you don't see controversy in MSM polls.
@@Peliha agreed, if only different studios would interact with each other to see the changes
I think this mob vote just showed how the community has felt for a while. I think it was overboard but I understand it. Personally, I wouldn't be against mob votes ending. However I think I have a different reasoning. Firstly, there is always more losers than winners when it comes to the mob vote. Only one mob wins and no matter how that happens, the other two combined will have more votes, and therefore more lovers. Secondly, the mob vote always brings toxicity and turmoil to the community. I understand its a way for mojang to advertise the game and hype it up, but also the community has never been able to just have fun with it (by that I mean too many people take it too seriously).
Also the statement at 6:10. There was a dev that specifically stated the mobs aren't gone forever and could come back. That's why I think people are really harping on that idea, because they say that but its never happened (frog is the exception, but that was stated specifically for that vote they'd all be added). So while mojang throws away so many ideas, they've also stated the mob vote mobs could return. So while I dont agree its really hard to just brush the arguments away because they are pretty reasonable reactions in ny eyes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about it all, I agree with a lot of what you said.
The problem is that when the updates are perceived as without a lot of content, showing people that there is ideas for more things and you are not going to add them in that update feels really bad. Also the last updates were all very disappointing for a lot of people and the mob vote makes different profiles of players fight to each other in an already angry environment.
That perception is kind of just incorrect though. The nether update just skewed peoples perception of what updates should look like, because it came out during Minecraft’s resurgence in popularity.
A lot of people came back to minecraft after years of not even keeping up with it, so they saw like 8 updates worth of content, and then the next update was the nether update.
I’m honestly surprised the Mob Vote didn’t go nuclear before, Internet Historian did a video about how big corpos did online polls and it always went badly because of the audience being targeted with the polls. On the other hand, as nice as it is that the devs can directly interact with fans it’s simply not a good idea, devs should focus on being a dev not a spokesperson, because they only know with certainty what they work on which is being a developer. This leads to the developers giving vague answers like “When the time is right”, which is a frustrating thing for all the people who wanted to see their mobs implemented because it makes Mojang seem like they:
A) don’t care
B) didn’t think it well enough.
As I see it the best course of action is to scrap the Mob Vote and go back to the drawing board on how to engage with their community. And give clear answers about new features and mobs that are going to be introduced in future updates and pull through with them.
I honestly i'm super happy to see some of the older functionality being reused with a twist, the new mob with 1.21 also activates blocks with the wind gust a bit like the copper golem would but different, im sure they can remix the ideas of the losing mobs to become something else later, like one if the devs said in a tweeter a few weeks ago, and i totally agree that the mob vote shouldn't be such a big deal, i understand everyone wants to be part of the game and want their favorite mob to win but at the end of the day, if the idea behind them is good, it will come back in some form or another as we see now, also the Crafter seems like an idea of a mod that was around a year or so ago that even Mumbo and the Scicraft memebers played with at the time, so we can surely say that they do listen and see what the community makes, we are very lucky to have such a big impact on the development of the game and we forget these things sometimes.
I don't mind for mob vote for the most part. Here's my problem with it we don't know when the other features will be added in the game it can take 1 year or many years that is my problem with the mob vote. If Mojam says this, the Winner of the mob vote will be added in this update but the next update the losers will be added in the next update, if they do that I won't have a problem with the mob votes. It's just a good middle ground for the Minecraft community and Mojam in my opinion.
Yeah, or if the mob vote was between three mobs that couldn’t coexist so there was an actual reason for a vote. Like what is the reason the penguin and crab can’t be added in with the armadillo that isn’t the mob vote? What mechanic of the Sniffer makes the Rascal and the Tuff Golem unplayable. Honestly the amount of work that goes into even the concepts of the mobs the vote should be used to decide what order each of the three are added. Or in future votes I think some of the older concepts should be filtered back into the vote. For example what if the 2024 mob vote was The Great Hunger, the Iceolger, and the Copper Golem? Why can’t we have old mob concepts return to the polls, it’s not like the losing mobs are cast into the fire so to speak
My feeling is that the mob vote situation is a symptom of a bigger problem. Mob vote mobs have always been pretty simple. They do and provide one little thing that doesn't feed much into the game as a whole. But that's also most of what arrives in updates these days anyway. It doesn't seem like this game is going any particular direction, like the devs have much of a vision. The true core of the game has been static for years and years, with a update after updated placed randomly across the surface.
I don't believe the devs are incapable of giving us all three options, but I don't think the game would be better if we got all three new mobs every year either. It would quickly be adding more clutter than value I think.
the last major shakeup to the core game was still 1.16 imo (although that one is arguably the best MC update ever so its not reasonable to expect Mojang to match it)
I feel like updates 1.13-1.18 all had a clear direction: to improve areas of the game commonly visited that didn’t have much to offer.
-They updated the oceans, once barren gravel plains are now kelp forest and coral reefs.
-They updated the villages, who have been needing an update for years now, and now actually look like civilizations.
-they updated the nether, once nothing but a single biome and one structure, now filled with strange fungal forest and weird pig people.
-and finally they updated the caves, arguably the one that needed an improvement the most. Unfortunately they bit off more that they could chew and had to split it apart into like 4 different updates.
I feel like 1.19 and 1.20 were just the devs trying to add the features cut from 1.17 and 1.18. Like the biggest feature in 1.19 was the deep dark, and the biggest feature in 1.20 was the archeology.
Thankfully there’s nothing left from the original cave update besides the bundle, despite what everyone is saying, I believe 1.21 WILL be better than 1.19-1.20, especially if they make it a combat focused update, which is entirely possible!
Mojang needs to do this maybe:
We should vote for which mob we want to see FIRST in the snapshot and that every other Mob in that vote will come later in the update
Mob Vote mobs already come near the end of the update cycle because they are one of the last editions planned. They have an actual they have planned for a long time. The mob vote is just a bonus feature. Mobs are very complex.
@@plumfadoodle4908 if they're *that* complex, this is more reason to not even involve us in deciding when/if they get added, huh? quit making excuses. they dug this hole all by themselves.
@@ETXAlienRobot201 They do one nice thing and allow the community to decide on one extra big feature and this is how people treat them. If the mob vote wasn't added they would just focus their efforts on some other feature. Negating any feedback or insight the mob vote would have given them.
@@plumfadoodle4908
forcing the community to *have* to choose "just one" inevitably causing division? not what i'd define as "nice"
@@ETXAlienRobot201 They allow the community to directly help decide the future of the game. Feel like that were a part of the game design. Something most other companies would never even consider. And if you don't like voting, you can always just ignore it.
I did not vote, but I was hoping the Armadillo would win. After seeing the Breeze, it no longer mattered to me what mob won the vote, I already felt like a winner with the Breeze. I think the Breeze is far more game changing, and more importantly it looks fun! It would be nice if Mojang had a secondary mob vote each year where we vote for one of the many mobs that didn't win to also be included into the game. This could help to make players feel like their mob of choice still has a chance to be included one day. I know I would be voting for the Copper Golem until the day I die or it is added to the game.
the breeze is kinda like the copper golem. and i would really like to see the actual coppwr golem stiill but the breeze is still cool. tho i would really like the eventually add all the mobs (like cmon really going to waste a good idea like that?
I paid 10$ for Minecraft.... almost 10 years ago? God is it 15 years now? It'll be a LONG time before I ever complain about what minecraft chooses to or not to implement.
So glad to see another echoing this sentiment. I am grateful that a game I love is still being updated and for any new (FREE) content after so long
I'm down with taking down the mob vote as is personally. As an older player that's been around since 1.6 beta, I've always kinda felt that something with as huge of a scale as this imploding on itself was kinda inevitable. It's just way too large to sustain for every single person to be satisfied with the results from new mobs alone.
I agree with some of the other folks in the comments with slowly bringing back older mobs from the dead, be it from being out voted to having new functions entirely. That way older wounds will finally be both figuratively and literally patched.
I really think we got the worst option here though, even if you wanted an update for pets. With them considering adding dog armor into the game, it seemed like that age-old suggestion was much in the same boat as the suggestion to add Lava Boats: They considered the old suggestion, twisted it around a bit, and added it in a way that people didn't expect. I think they would've done that with dog armor if the armadillo hadn't won. Maybe in the form of some grander mechanic, like a way to give permanent, creative buffs to any pet you like (including immunity to lava or fall damage, which are big problems for dogs as much of the community pointed out). But now they won't do that, because people will be happy enough with the uncreative and flat idea to just add dog armor.
I definitely think that the new structure is a perfect place to add the copper and tuff golems. Mojang adding them would be perfect.
I have given up with Minecraft it has moved in such a weird and disappointing direction. i still like watching people play it but its no longer fun for me to play. If you picture a game like Rust it has Content and new updates monthly and there implemented well. Mojang takes a whole year to come out with the same amount of content that Rust does in a month. The Rust Dev's/Facepunch listen more to there toxic community, then Mojang listens. its sad.
Yep, I'm just playing Vintage Story now
I love the concept of the mob vote, but it just leads to so much disappointment in the community. I just think there has to be a better way of going about it that doesn't create so much disappointment. Unfortunately, I think if they do the same style of vote again next year it will just get ruined again like this year... Which is sad.
I think it would be cool if they found a way to use viewer feedback to influence things that are going to be in the game anyways, rather than deciding on which mob gets added and which get axed.
- Which do we add first?
- What item will it drop?
- Which ability will it have?
- What colour / skin will it have?
I guess the issue is, it's harder to market that stuff and get people *as* excited about it. I think "which do we add first" could be a nice compromise.
Another idea would be every year they also let users vote on a second mob which would be the runner-ups from previous years.
I think I prefer more casual, less important mobs for mob votes, because either way the vote goes, you don’t miss out on much even if you don’t gain much. They can leave more important and feature orientated mobs sorted out internally, and let just fun useless mobs to votes where they won’t matter so it’s just for fun
The main problem with the vote is they don't show us enough info about mobs, they should put more informations about each mobs to make sure players know what they vote for,phantom and glow squid are clear examples of it
I really got fed up seeing mob vote discourse this time around. I had to remove myself from most of minecraft communities because it was really frustrating me. I just wish we could just vote for a cute mob and be happy with a cute mob :(
I'm with you mate.
People need to chill out and touch grass. It's a free update, and it's all for fun.
(Little tip, don't check the comments of any offical MC post. Toxicity is swarming in there. Learnt that a little late.)
3 would be better
@@Crusader-yq1bf Stopping the votes won't give you 3. They would just not have a vote next year and go back to add whatever mob they feel fits the update.
This is almost exactly what I thought. I don't really know that much over the drama because I don't really use social medias like twitter that much but I remember one of my friends mentioned it to me and I just responded "Dude, at least they're actually putting content in the game, that's not to be taken for granted.". The only minor annoyance that bothers me a little is that the mobs never come back into any vote so it messes with my curiosity and makes me go "What if....." but it's nothing to be pissed at, at least the game IS getting content.
My only true gripe is having quality of life features locked behind a vote. The claw would help me a lot I think.
I think you gotta remember, the feature that was announced with the "great hunger" mob was disenchanting items. That creature lost to the PHANTOM. We still got that in the form of the Grindstone block.
This is a million-dollar company that puts no effort into any updates.
Xisuma: "You can't be suspicious".
Me, knowing how deceptive and insidious companies and corporations have historically and consistently been: "Riiiiight..."
If mojang wanted to be insidious with a pay once play anytime game then they would add micro transactions per play or make us watch ads or something but not rig a vote for a mob that doesn’t really change the game… 🤷♂️ get over it
why go through the hassle of rigging the vote? they make the game. if they wanted to they could just add the mob, no questions asked. mojang have never done anything in the past to make us question their motives, they've just made the game that they love to make.
yeh, it is *extremely* disappointing to see people still continue excusing this. it'd genuinely be better if the vote never was a thing. but since it has been, there are frankly very limited options to actually resolve it. and every single one will involve actually following-through on "they might get added in eventually" [i'd be fine even if they just released all the documents/assets for those mobs under a *permissive* license and let the community do what we've been doing anyways] , sooner rather than later. as for future votes : either drop the elimination aspect or discontinue this toxic nonsense. there are other ways to boost engagement which won't enrage the community.
@@dactel you literally described the bedrock marketplace, paying for content which java edition players can add/get for free and without a bunch of "thou shalt not" restrictions aside from the third party platform ToS.
@@ETXAlienRobot201 and theres a very good reason that hasn’t made its way to java- because they care enough to preserve that experience. all of that monetization is on the microsoft suits trying to milk as much money for bill gates. not mojang.
I think that the best vote was the biome vote, in which we got to choose which got added first, instead of what gets added, because who wouldnt love to see crabs or penguins, or other awesome animals, and I think that the vote divides a community, but that if we get to choose when, not what, it would be better.
I totally agree with you. Great video.
I think it's attitudes like this that make you realiza that Minecraft's core audience is very young.
I would hope no sane adult would have that attitude.
If mojang would focus on making a good game engine and fix a lot of the core issues, and objectively sloppy code, modders could add more content than you would ever want to the game, and it would get better over time, because they wouldn't have to reset their progress twice a year when minecraft updates.
You're not getting that for free, dude
@@Mat-8071 I would happily pay monthly for minecraft to have a better game engine. Modders would happily add tons of content for free because they already do.
If minecraft 2.0 came out for $250 I would happily save up and buy it.
Also my opinion on the vote is why not add the 2 top mobs into the game but the first one faster
They say in the Live itself that the losing mobs may return in the future
@norman6524 ya (but they said the stupid penguin might return when the crab which is so much better is left to less of a chance to return
@@norman6524 yeah but at the rate mojang updates that could literally years and years away, and if they throw out 2 a year then the graveyard will just keep getting bigger
@@filth121Where did they say that crab has less chance of returning
@@norman6524 "Will return later" is Mojangese for "They'll never return, stop asking about it"
Really hoping copper golem and tuff golem get added! It would be perfect! But if not, no disappointment, it would just be a great bonus! :)
Copper golem would fit with the upcoming update 🤔
It would be so much cooler to get community input on the *design* of *one mob* instead of a vote about which one we like best.
Mojang could give us the general theme like "We want to add a new [type of mob], it could be found in [general kind of area or structure with certain vibes]." And then have us submit concept ideas like spawning mechanics and unique interactions, they puck the best options from the game design aspect, then have us vote on the mob traits that we want to see most.
Thanks Xisuma. I feel like a lot of the older people in the community are too scared to voice their opposition to the mob vote movement. What you're saying needs to be said.
Agreed. If you try to reason with these people, you will get immensely downvoted and called a "Mojang Bootlicker" despite just looking at the situation logically and not letting your emotions take control.
Hey, I'm older people. I don't think it's too much. The way Mojang handles this is monumentally stupid and I'd actually think it was mostly older players voicing their frustration while younger players go "woah, mob vote! neat!" I'm legitimately disappointed that there were more votes than ever. I sure didn't.
@@colbyboucher6391 If Mojang didn't have the mob vote in the first place, than y'all wouldn't be complaining. Remember that it would be a lot easier for Mojang to scrap the mob vote and go back to adding whatever the hell they want. Mojang doesn't have to go through all this effort to get the community involved in making decisions, but they do it anyways, and for that I am grateful.
@@artemis_furrsonThat's one of the points of the movement though, that the mob vote creates unnecessary infighting and conflict in the community and that we *shouldn't* be given the chance.
It leaves ≈67% of the audience disappointed. As a community it doesn't feel nice to have a carrot dangled over us, as Mojang throws it away; Might as well skip the middleman and go back to adding whatever they want! As Xisuma said, we don't get disappointed over ideas that never make it to us in the first place.
@@artemis_furrson "If Mojang didn't have the mob vote in the first place, than y'all wouldn't be complaining."
CORRECT, YOU GET IT, GOOD JOB
unless previous mobs start coming back into mob votes, its just dissapointing to see one out of three Cool options get added feels sad
i would rather not know what im missing out on, only what is going to be accesable
Thank you for covering this, Xisuma. I think another hugely important thing to remember is something you've talked about yourself in the past -- Social media fuels toxicity and rage. On youtube, twitter, tiktok, facebook, instagram, all of them want more engagement and will promote the most hateful, loud responses, and that continues to make an echo chamber.
The majority of minecraft players don't have social media. 5 million people voted, and after reaching 300 million copies sold mojang posted stats saying that on average, EVERY DAY, there are 915 THOUSAND blocks that are travelled ON PIG BACK.
Our communities are *not* "the majority" of active players by any stretch of the word. We must remember not to be in an echo chamber, and to understand that the vast majority of players love these updates (my realms, my communities, all love the update -- except for the few with twitter accounts).
I think I heard from someone that a Mojang developer confirmed the copper & tuff golems won't be added to the trial chambers in this update, despite the trial chambers literally being fitting enough for them to spawn in. Maybe they will get added, we don't know yet.
One reason for the mob vote I found was from Felix (the dev) in a personal blog post. It allows Mojang to take input from isolated parts of the community that don't engage with third party content (like UA-camrs, Reddit, etc...)
Yeah, I realised this when it was the allay/glare/copper golem vote, that they're probing the community to see which areas of the game people want improvements to.
I think at the moment it's generating more negative feelings than the feedback is worth, though. Mojang might need to rethink their strategy.
I just wish whatever mob that was announced would lead to a biome change. I think some biome needs a bit more update like the savanna and the snow biome. It's not an overhaul. More like a refresher sort of thing. Maybe some things just makes too much of a development process.
My overall opinion on the whole situation is the mobvote should stay but the way they handle it change a little. I think the mob that is selected should appear in the next update while the ones after can potentially appear in future updates. They don'e have to appear but if they would fit the theme or direction of an update I think they should be implemented similarly to how people are hoping for the tuff and copper golem in the 1.21 update. That would leave a less sour taste in everyone's mouths but would still leave the mobvote intact mostly as is. Or another option is to introduce the mobs as visual designs and only add features to them after if at all. That way there's less fomo over the mobs that don't get added since they would only have been an aesthetic choice until they were chosen. The mobs for this vote would have been perfect for that. Each mob has a unique look and animations and then after they get chosen they can add the features like wolf armour assuming the armadillo won. Means a lot less controversy and bitterness over a mob not winning since they don't have the idea of what could've been stuck in their heads
They already do that, Vu said as much after the Penguin was eliminated. Everyone just ignored that.
I'm happy that i wasn't too invested in this years mob vote. I kinda wanted penguin, just in case ice boat shenanigans could happen, but in the end it really doesn't matter.
Theres been 1 good mob vote in the past
Its was between mobs...
Well, it was up to the top 3 mobs the vote was between
The first two you might not remember, their names were Zack and Coco, i had to do some research for those names
Grian was in team Maui which didnt make it to the top 3
But the winner, is a mob that everyone knows
And their name is jellie, scar's cat
This was indeed the 9th cat skin vote, for 1.14's village and pillage
Although restricted, and had even less functionality compared to modern mob votes
it still was way more positive and fun
1. the marketing was based on youtubers, no coorprate feel
2. It was up to the community to "design" the options
3. We lost nothing long term by the other options loosing
It was a genuine competition, instead of a manufactured marketing scheme
Bring back the cat vote!
making your fan base fight over features that are added into the game is a bad look for any company, let alone a company that could easily add all 3 choices. The mob vote only exists to drive engagement and get Minecraft talked about on social media, and it does that by causing conflict.
There is this trend going on right now were people think the are entitled to more from video game developers it happed with minecraft, call of duty, destiny, and a couple of other games recently and its honestly tiring.
to me it instead of feeling like getting a new mob, it feels like losing 2 mobs... :/
I love the mob vote when it comes to community participation, however I feel like there should be a lot more transparency when it comes to the voting options. I am still afraid of having another situation like the phantom. Also I feel like eventually there will be a point where there will be to many 'filler' mobs in the game from the votes. Maybe start adding a block vote every other year to spice things up idk
There already are way too many filler mobs
Honestly, if Mojang actually actually shelved the mob vote losers instead of stating they will NEVER be added would cut down the toxicity quite significantly.
People tend to be less angry if they can hope for something rather than definitively knowing that a thing will never happen
They said this year that mobs are shelved, not removed forever
Uh.. The problem is the exact opposite. They’ve been giving the same false promise for years (that the losers will definitely still be added eventually…) with that not being the case at all. We now have a ton of mobs and biomes that they said they would update eventually yet the list keeps growing with no progress towards actually adding them being made
@@TLtimelord They say that every year. So far, the only game the mob losers get added to is dungeons
as somone pointed out already it isn't vote for what mob would be added it is vote for what 2 mobs won't be added
mojang is presenting 3 interesting mobs and promising 2 of them won't be added (or at least won't be added any time soon)
I think it's weird that as soon as the armadillo was announced I heard a bunch of people claiming that it was clearly going win. And then when it did win, people were claiming there was no way it would win over the others so it must be rigged? I do like how Philza was like "Yeah, I didn't vote, no need, it was clear that dog armor was going win. People love their pets"
The problem for me is that Mojang obviously prototyped all those mobs to the point they felt confident in adding the mobs to the vote, they are that much confident in those ideas bringing something positive for the game. Mobs aren't even mutually exclusive, they could all exist together without an issue, it's not a fork where we choose divergent paths. Mojang hypes this mob vote up and then makes it so that losers don't get a second chance, no wonder people get really disheartened about the whole thing. Mojang is ultimately to blame for people going up in arms, and it only up to them to fix this
The actual mob showcases and update showcase portion of Minecraft Live felt different this year, really liked them letting the devs speak a bit more naturally like they did in the past. Looks good for the future! :3
I have an idea that may never happen but still: the next mob vote have 3 options that didn't win from past mob votes?
If mojang is going to give us mobs with essentially one function, I don't see why they can't make that function in another way without the mob later. Like, would anybody be mad if we got "extention claw" item that increased building reach without a crab? Sure, its not a crab, but people have really been voting for the mobs for their gimmick as opposed to the mobs themseves.
I thought it was confirmed that the Tuff & Copper Golems weren’t being added.
They also confirmed a few years back that they’d never add auto crafting. Don’t take mojang’s word, they change their mind constantly.
How can we not be upset when a mojang dev says stuff the other mobs could be added "when the time is right" and then say that that means "Somewhere between now and the end of the universe" mojang devs from the looks of it are so lazy, especially when its 3 small mobs like that. Personally i believe that mojang by doing the mob votes are taking away possibly amazing features/mobs. I think people were rightfully upset, every single vote 2 good concepts get thrown away into "may get added between now and the end of the universe" basically.
Imagine there being no mob vote and any mob development happens between closed doors?
How many do you think we would get compared to how many ideas are pitched?
Personally, I think, with the mob vote we get one more feature than we would without.
It‘s a bonus, not a loss.
It is a loss because you lose 2 mobs/features in the procces. forever doomed to be added "between now and the end of the universe"
and how do you feel about the other 20 mob ideas that never get into the game and you just dont know about? there is no real difference other than your emotional attachment? @@tomato-chan9647
@@tomato-chan9647Every single feature without any set date is scheduled to be added between now and the end of the universe.
You are conpletly right, thank you! I see people complaining about every winning mob because they don’t do much, or they don’t change the game a lot. But they already knew what they were voting for since Mojang always explains what the mob will do beforehands. Ok we got the glowsquid… but the others were good.
I think there is a serious issue with the mob vote in that it always causes these sort of controversies. There is always going to be someone disappointed and it separates the community into camps. People are always going to get invested into this sort of thing and it is time to move on from the vote.
I don’t disagree, but the fault for that lies with the community members choosing to act like spoiled children right?
I don’t like the mob vote cause the mobs are rarely impactful in a good/major way, and it’s really just a marketing tool.
I believe if they added the losing mobs/biomes more frequently, the vote would become more beloved.
I was watching Minecraft Live, and the entire Minecraft chat was filled with "stop the mob vote" and I just was shocked. I started saying "don't stop the mob vote" for the sake of seeing what happened, it was crazy.
I remember! I wanted to watch it too, but there were no productive comments whatsoever, so I went to a livestream of a youtuber who was streaming it instead. People were far calmer there.
even them saying that mobs that lost can come back at some point they also have stated that that right time to comeback could be any time or never, so unless we get some new beach or swamp rework or any kind of update theme no crab, the same applys to the penguin and any other mobs, and even then is less than 5% of acually going in, why? because they use the mechanics of those mobs in other things and abandon the mob it self
About what you said about the crab claw, the minecraft China mob votes description of the crab claw was “allows you to place and break blocks from further away”
We, the community, have every right to want better out of the single biggest game of all time.
The updates are entirely free, and you can play any previous version, including the beta.
I genuinely don’t know how you can be this entitled and not hear it when you speak.
AAA games release with a $60 price tag and then withhold half the content for $35 dollar dlc, and it still never runs well until half the player base has left.
Minecraft costs like $35 one time, and you get years worth of free updates and can access servers hosted by other people for free, and can even mod every aspect of the game for free.
@@Bubble-Foam First of all, Minecraft has dlc and micro transactions on bedrock edition- which is what a majority of the player base plays on. Second of all, Minecraft owes much of its enduring success to the fact that the updates are free and widely assessable- and thirdly, I never said I hate Minecraft in its current state far from it, I'm simply making the same argument pokemon fans have been saying for years- that the company making the game should put more effort into it.
I hope Xisuma reads these comments and can get a more broad image of this situation
A lot of players lack sympathy for the devs who can’t do everything. Asking for all three mobs to be implemented is unrealistic. They could do it, but it would be a botched job and would delay other features they ARE sure to want to add. The point of the mob vote is to let the community decide which of the many ideas the developers are hesitating on should get priority.
For some reason, vast parts of the community seem to think it reasonable to demand for *every* idea to be implemented. It is not. The addition of a single mob is a monumental task, beyond the designing, modeling, rigging, animating and programming. With every addition Mojang makes to the game, they need to thoroughly test how it interacts with every other part of it. This is why they do so many snapshots!
The absolute lack of respect for hard-working developers and the entitlement some displayed in the lead-up to and during Minecraft Live 2023 was insane and made me very, very sad. I hope the Minecraft community heals and gets more chill going forward or it might end up seriously affecting the game itself…
Mojang/Microsoft needs engagement every year when they push out an update, they could add all the new mobs in one go and loads of new blocks, whilst they're at it, but they won't since that won't build hype for their game and they know it.
Thank you for this, exactly how I felt watching the flood of negative comments when what I really wanted to read were people as excited as I was to see all the cool new things coming. And how many other games give their updated content for free? I think we're really fortunate and seeing all that vitriol made me feel deeply saddened.
The idea that the community taking up arms with the mob vote and expressing their distinction with it is considered "toxic" is just awful. I will admit I do think it did go a bit far, but the developers on Twitter complaining about the hashtag and now one of the community s figureheads likening it to "spoiled children" is really upsetting.
The community is dissatisfied, we're allowed to express that dissatisfaction. People have been wanting the vote to change for years at this point and Mojang just keeps doing it with no changes whatsoever, so things boiled over and now a good chunk of the community thinks we're better without it. Turning towards the community and saying "no, YOURE toxic" when people are literally just expressing their dissatisfaction with the game is just...do better.
My issue and from what iv'e seen a lot of other peoples issue with the mob vote is that not what the intentions are 2/3rd-ish of the community is going to get disapointed by the mob vote becuase the mob they like did not win, and that would not be an issue if we saw these mobs come back later if future mob votes or get added in during appropriately themed updates (like a copper and tuff golem)
but what they do is give us all these cool idea (even if simple) and then we never see the losser again they just go into the void
With all that being said I perssonly think they need to change something about how mob votes work, do diffrent types of votes, or just stop them all together becuase having a vote just breeds dissapointment in the community
My biggest problem is that most of the mobs added do not relate to the update they're coming with or have no gameplay synergy whatsoever. The Phantom revisits a basic and ancient Minecraft mechanic that is sleeping but there isn't anything else to them. Fixing Elytra? Has nothing to do with sleeping. Trying to get Phantom membranes to fix your Elytra actually defeats the purpose of the mob forcing you to sleep. It simply doesn't match.
You can apply this to every Mob Vote, but there is an argument to be made that they *don't* need to check these boxes for gameplay synergy. That, because they're entirely chosen by the community, their importance should be much more minimal in order to not lose focus of the actual update that they're going with. It certainly would be extremely cool to have a lot of depth into Phantoms, Allays, Sniffers, Armadillos, Glow Squids, etc, but since they don't, why bother at all? Most of their mechanics could be applied to already existing stuff in Minecraft. Wolf armor could be made with leather no problem, Glowstone dust could be an alternative to glowing ink, Allays could literally be repurposed into Foxes being tamed and holding out for your items, and the list goes on.
In short, Mob Votes, to me, are the most flawed attention grabber that Mojang could come up with. The options they present could already be in the game without the need to add a new mob and they don't even match the theme of the update they're being added in. For all that's best, Mojang should continue with the Biome votes specifically and getting much more time to plan the game-changing features the community votes to get added FIRST. They updated world generation and height limit with the Snow Mountains, there's no reason NOT to not keep this approach.
Just to add to this thought: if Mojang is going to present new Biome votes that will affect the rest of the game, they should do "Theme Votes" instead. Let's say they want to update the progression system from wood to iron. The options should be "More Tech", "More Trouble" or "More Steps." The first option gives the players new workstations and tools to diversify early-game progression by putting redstone into the mix; the second option revamps the way mob drops work so you can have a say into what you're getting out of a mob; the third option makes getting iron, and everything after it, much more rewarding by buffing iron tools and adding new stuff before you get to them.
Of course, this example may not work in on itself, but I think you get the idea. Mojang suggests what should they rework/explore, and the community decides HOW they explore it based on the options that Mojangs themselves would want to do.