Thank you for showing your side of the fight, and I appreciate the analysis, I was convinced and I mean CONVINCED something was going on, but like all things in life if you go based on feeling alone it can get you In trouble. If CIG took a look and it was cleared and your scorp never went over 15 gs then it's just SC being SC, there ARE hacks out there and what I saw with the rubber banding from you made me question. I am not posting any videos on this since I have good references from you video to ease my mind, I'm honestly very glad it turned out this way. Let the crowed say their peace, but let it be said I'm willing to change in the face of new information. Good flying, if you would like another fight, this time I'm not useing 700m/s snowball cannons drop by and have a shot, peace 0/
Thank you for reaching out. I know this has probably been a bit of a mess, but I having been trying to get our name clear and this was the next thing I could have done. For the record we are still fans and a lot of what we did in the video we learned from watching your vids. I hope oneday I can fly as good as you and my brother (pilot) but until then, Rule Number One: Protect the Pilot.
@Leschath its just life, somtimes things are just never what they seem, there will always be lightning rods for hate, and there are plenty of ppl put there who want to see me fail, but I'm willing to learn. You are welcome to join the AVS discord, contrary to what ppl say I'm not a know it all. This situation is proof I'm still learning and despite my gut feeling, it's obvious there was no hack. How did your ship rubber band the way it did at the end of the fight? How did you get 15.1 Gs on a Scorpius? I've never gone above 14? These are things that keep me up at night 😆. Anyway it's 1AM in the morning, I'm not posting my video on this, as to some of the trolls dismay, they will have to find other reasons to hate me haha, see you around.
@@Lambda-Scorpii Dude called you a cheater broadcasting his opinion to prolly 200 people watching (including me), called you names, you literally had to create this 45 minutes video to clean your honour - and then you just happily wagging your tail first time he speaks to you? At least ask him to apologise, jesus. Maybe that'll learn him to think before accusing someone next time.
@@Mr568691 I'm not wagging my tail by any means. I am simple acknowledging and accepting the apology. Just because one negative thing happens doesn't mean you can't make amends. Forgivness is a thing, I do like not burn any bridges, I like to talk to people, thats the one thing in life I will always tell people.
@@Lambda-Scorpii He didn't apologize anywhere in his comment though. He basically says thanks for showing your side of the story and then justifies his initial response because he knows hacks exist. He never actually apologizes to anyone for anything. From his reaction to the initial combat and then his comment above, he sounds like a true narcissist.
I was watching this live and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. I like Avengers stream but it definitely came across as him being unable to come to terms with the fact that he was beat fair and square, and just leaning on "I know what I'm talking about" as evidence. Definitely lost a lot of respect for him, he's always come across as "knowledgeable" but now that comes across more as pure arrogance.
yeah I recieved some messages from his viewers coming to my defense when the whole thing went down live. I was blown away and still am by the amount of support you guys are showing. I was for sure thinking the "mob mentality" was going to kick in where everyone takes his side because he is a big part of the community.
Correction: this guy isnt cheating but the vid shows A1 accusations were for good reason he just simply got this one wrong… it happens.. Look at A1 last video lol he did more digging and came up with vids of the cheats being used. Yall r so dumb for believeing this youtuber saying “nO i DiDnT ChEaT” ge just says this whole vid ya we cheated and ya u dont know how to pilot and hmmm mhhhmmm. Such bad replies and you all eho believed him are dumb af
I’ve lost all respect for that organization a long time ago. Avenger One is such an egotistical person. I had to tell UA-cam to stop recommending his channel to me.
This is just who AvengerOne is tbh. He has a long history of being toxic dating back to EVE. He already quit SC once when he lost his old org. He then quit Squadrons because he was losing. Now he just calls everyone a cheater or exploiter whenever he loses a fight. The guys ego can't handle losing. His org (which is named after himself) reflects his ego and attitude that they only lose because of hacks exploits cheating...
twitch streamers are all like this. it's all Ego PROBLEM is they think they are BIGGER than the culture or game they play. i don't want FANS of streamers to become backers of the game. they have NO soul or Faith in the project might aswel be called Organic View bots
@@arcadealchemist Part of the reason I absolutely loath streaming platforms, it just breeds egotistical douchebags and then you get the people who are utter sycophants for it
@@vamperic it's why i also think people like Zhylo are and Lando are DAMAGING the project not helping it CIG could save money getting rid of everyone who has a Narcissistic personality isse or assume they are BIGGER than the project. Streamers are USING the project to make themselves wealthy while not really contributing POSITVLY Streams draw attention to EVERY SMALL MINOR DETAIL: that effects them negatively and it 's not the GAME it's the PEOPLE they interact with so getting CIG to change the game cos streamers get SNIPED or Pad RAMMED. that shit needs to stop
Look at this guy, Templeman. The man who blew up Renegade Squadron, Avenger Squadron be warned, he will turn his back on you, he will blame all of you in the end as he did us. It pains me to see all of this, this man used to be my friend but his ego and his greed and lust for clout and popularity blinded him as he himself said, pushed anyone away that threatens his "alpha" position. this 1% mentality is completely unjustified in this game environment, your so desperate to maintain this best star fighter image you took a GAMBLE on accusing someone of cheating? I hope all of you see this man for what he really is, he didn't even apologize to these dude he called cheaters. Be warned Avenger Squadron, once he blows up again your org will too. Ask him and Tazius the consequences of backstabbing your most loyal lieutenant. Ask him if being a master of a flight model thats going in the garbage worth it?
He is trying to project that he is an alpha male A1 is a beta male to be one his actions prove this also I remember years back I remember another person being called a cheater and wasn't cheating A1 has history proving this people never learn from history where I look back at history and now it I see now A1 is mocking your fav ship which isn't cool at all
Epic Fight .You and you brother are a great team Looks good on Avenger_One to get called out on his bs . Thanks for the combat tips and the esp activation on trigger tip !
To the people who are still confused about what happened at 6:16, the coming in and coming out, which does look very weird, since I was still confused myself about Leschath's explanation, this coming in and coming out is an illusion. This because the target rectangle gets bigger and smaller because Delta-Scorpii, the scorpius pilot, is deploying and retracting his wings. This is a smooth movement which means that the rectangle smootlhy grows and smoothly shrinks. You can also see the scorpius deploying wings on A1's MFD.
thank you for noticing this, i didn't even notice it was at that specific time. We were trying to signal him to stop so we can talk about what was being said. I think we even drop a flare before we start flapping like a birb, tweet tweet. Edit: As it is a remote turrent (I dont have a MFD) I can't see what he is doing with the ship most of the time. I also don't really pilot anything smaller that the 400i most of the time so I am not that good at explaining what is going on, sorry.
@@Lambda-Scorpii he was being sarcastic, hyrokkin shits on av1 and most of the pilots in AS. Dunno if he has many videos of himself fighting on UA-cam, but if you see him in the verse, have a go. If you can get his shields down, consider yourself in the top 1% of players.
On the bright side, yesterday I never knew you existed. Today I subbed to your channel. We all know you didn't cheat, Avenger learned a life lesson...net positive.
Ego-1 didn’t learn jack. The more I look into him the more I’ve found he accuses anyone that beats him of cheating. All his video was him trying to save face with his audience.
ACCUSING PEOPLE OF CHEATING IS GOOD THAT IS HOW U GET HACKER BANNED. FROM TIME TO TIME U GET ONE WRONG… r u all really this dumb. Since when is accusing someone of cheats a bad thing. Isnt this how we get the real cheaters banned??? In any other game being called a cheater when u lnow ur not is the biggest compliment!! If ur not cheating u wont b banned what is the issue even? JUST A BUNCH OF NERDS AND SNOWFLAKES ON SC OR SOMETHING???
There is more proof out they r cheating lmao. Imagine leaving this dumb comment 1 mo ago. Accusing people of cheating is good that is how u find the real cheaters. He got one wrong and now all the SC players are going to cry and rally behind this guy? Yall dumb as hell. A1 exposed a hacker ring and you all were sitting over here mad about A SINGLE FLASE ACCUSATION. SC players… this was a horrible look on u. Get ur act together and stop being so soft. We should be congratulating this guy gor getting called a hacker by one of the best pilots not being a bunch ot pussies
Tarkov just had a very similar situation come up, a streamer accused someone who killed him as being a cheater and submitted a report to a contact he had at Battlestate Games, unfortunately the other guy, who was not cheating and showed his point of view, had his account banned in an hour. People streaming need to be extra careful with this stuff because sometimes dev's really do take them more seriously than other players. Moral of the story is, there are a million things that might look fishy but due to networking and bugs in general, tossing out accusations should be held for only the most blatant of cheaters.
This. In a world of online gaming, you can be "certain" unless its obvious. but I am glad nothing bad came of this and it seems like everything is back to normal, or so I hope.
Nee proof out now on A1 channel. Go look at the hacking ring on SC. This guy was probably using them fooling all of u like he has no idea what A1 is talking abiut lol. Ive seen the clips of cheaters it’s undeniable
This is not uncommon. These guys have accused me of combat logging before. I hit the floor while they were chasing me down (I was low flying with a bounty), and they accused me of combat logging. Despite showing video evidence that I did not (to be fair from their perspective it looked like I did), they ignored it and continued to act as if I had logged. Hopefully the greater SC playerbase will come to realize how shitty this group is.
Just to clarify I'm not saying all avengers are bad people but the group as a whole is terrible. A few of them are genuine and nice people. Sorrowss and Schwang are a good example of good avengers.
Reporting ppl who may or may nit be cheating is good for the game bc if ur not cheating u wont get banned and if u r u will. Y r ppl making such a bug deal? CIG will either ban or they wont. And if u dont report sus ppl or a sus fight then thats bad for the game.
Mate you are a bigger man than I am. Everything I have seen so far from A1 on this subject has been justifying his own behaviour, and nothing of any kind of sincere and meaningful apology. You are definitely the bigger man here accepting this as an apology. I don't know what has been said between you all in private talks, but publicly A1's apology I find has been very lacking in any meaningful content.
@@chillbill7705 if you are talking about the A1 cheating Vid he recently put out. A1 talked to them when he made that vid, and it's in the vid him talking to them. There is nothing in that vid that shows these guys were cheating. he just says that he suspected them of cheating, because he had come across other people who were cheating prior to fighting them.
@@Darksoull. yeah ur right i didnt know this guy. But point being when looking for cheaters ur gonna get it wrong for some players and thats why CIG has to look into it and ban or not ban based on the report. A1 did nothing wrong saying this guy was cheating. He was in the cheat hunter mindset and u gotta report anyone who is sus. He got it wrong for this guy but hey you can demand perfection lol. He caught some bug cheats and this was just 1 mis step
Nice video dude, I think people can see what's really happened here. No 1 PVPer gets salty cos he lost, then bans you from his chat when you voice your opinion..... yeah, naaaaa.
my guy, you need to pause the video if you are going to explain stuff, so we don't hear both you and the video at the same time. makes for a very unpleasant listening experience. glad you were able to defend yourself from cheating accusations tho O7
It really sucks when people are in the position Avenger is in, where he can get away with this kind of shit because he does know a good bit about the game, even if it's not nearly as much as he'd like to believe, and despite his delusions he is not in fact the best pilot in the game. He makes some fairly informative content for people interested in PvP, but at the same time is a delusional egomaniac who can't fathom the idea of losing a fight to someone simply being better than him as opposed to him making some kind of glaring mistake or having internet issues or something. He also fails to understand that, while PvP does have its place in the persistent universe component of SC, his preferred style of somewhat organized dogfighting is NOT the kind of PvP that belongs there. That's what Arena Commander is for. The persistent universe is the place for proper operations and objective control the likes of which you get to see at Jumptown events. Don't get me wrong, dogfighting is fun as hell and I love flying in SC, but I'll be damned if some of the shit people pull off during JT doesn't just about give me goosebumps. "Proper" organized dogfighting may be perfectly understandable now while there are still tons of unimplemented gameplay elements that leave us no other real options outside of JT events, but as the game receives more of its content I imagine that kind of dogfighting in the persistent universe will start to look like the 30th century version of illegal street racing. The larger scale PvP we see at Jumptown absolutely belongs in Star Citizen, and it delivers an experience that only Star Citizen can deliver without excessive post-processing, but despite that SC is not what I would call a "PvP game." It is simply a multiplayer game. You can cooperate or compete with other players, whichever you choose. The notion that because there are spaceships with guns on them SC is somehow a primarily combat-focused game, as I've seen in a comment on someone else's video (either one of Avenger's or another person calling him out on bullshit), is utterly stupid. That would be like saying the US is officially a combat zone because people can own and carry firearms. Weapons are tools that, among other things, can provide insurance in the face of the reality that not everyone is above taking from or harming others for their own gain, or even for the hell of it. Anyway besides all that what REALLY sickens me is how Avenger maintains such a childish mindset but will still make these videos where he goes on for 20 minutes spitting the most vague and nebulous shit at people, trying to sound apologetic but really only crying and insisting that it isn't his fault, then daring to pretend that he is genuinely trying to improve himself as a person. I am a person that tends to be far too trusting of others, who tends to take people at face value and give them the benefit of the doubt wherever possible, and in plenty of cases that makes interacting with other humans very difficult because human nature is so far from that. The worst examples are the ones like Avenger, who not only do some of the most disgusting and nonsensical bullshit to try to elevate themselves to a status they don't actually have, but simultaneously put on such a convincing pretense of being a genuine, kind person. Those people not only undermine my trust in every person I ever interact with in any capacity greater than for instance ordering fast food, but drive me to utterly despise the individual in question, knowing there is little chance they'll ever have a reason to stop being that way. Honestly Avenger's outlook puts a whole new spin on that little bit about "joining the PvP movement" he sticks next to his twitch link in most of his videos. It makes it look like he is really so nearsighted and ignorant that he wants to turn all of SC into what Arena Commander is for, purely an FPS game with 6 degrees of freedom and lasers. We have games like Star Wars Squadrons for that. That gameplay is fun and has its place, but SC is not the place for it. SC intends to simulate every possible aspect of a living universe, and even in such an unfinished state it gets a hell of a lot closer to that than any other game has dared to even try. I think it would greatly benefit the people that enjoy PvP in any kind of game like this if they stopped lifting people like Avenger to positions of leadership and influence. I know it's probably at worst a fairly even split between people who just enjoy PvP and literal chimpanzees, but when the chimpanzees like Avenger who want to force everyone to devolve to experiencing neuron activation from SW: Squadrons-type gameplay in a setting that is meant to be so much more really don't give their communities a great look. It's disgusting and sad. Again, I absolutely believe simple dogfighting is super fun, even though I tend to avoid it at the moment due to not having flight sticks to give me personally what I think would be more intuitive, more precise controls. The problem lies in being unable (or worse, consciously refusing) to see the value in the simpler, or more complex, things. The value of doing things as mundane as mining, salvaging, or cargo running, particularly with friends or even just other random people you meet; and in the future, doing things as grand and ambitious as setting up bases for organizations and building up fleets to defend them. Star Citizen provides a setting that is by far in a league of its own with respect to its ability to facilitate an immersive experience, and the genuinely nice, patient, well-intentioned people that make up most of its regular playerbase provide the materials to create those experiences. The importance of neither component can be understated. The marvel of technological innovation that is the basis of Star Citizen, even in its hilarious unfinished state, gives us the perfect place to intentionally or unintentionally have some of the best experiences a simulation could hope to provide; likewise, the community brings actual life to the janky, overambitious masterpiece CIG is putting together. In the face of this one opportunity to have a good time playing a game unlike any other ever attempted, how can we still allow ourselves to be controlled by such selfish, shortsighted, primitive parts of our nature, to the detriment of not only our own but many many other people's chance to take that opportunity? Can we really not be any better than this? I need to stop looking at this drama shit, it keeps making me write essays in youtube comments and it takes up so much time
The reason you are surprised is because he bans people in chat or uses the report system and his “personal rep” to make sure that he can take away people’s voice.
at 12 minutes it almost looks like his buddy stops accelerating he is just mad honestly. Somebody kicked his ass, He didn't like it. The fact that CIG hasn't contacted you about it or banned you means you aren't cheating
@@Lambda-Scorpii Way I see it you just out played him. Congrats. Just don't let it get to your head, A cocky pilot is a dead pilot. (As you can see is the case with Avenger_One)
@@zaktii yeah, you never know who out there is better than you, might be someone who just comes out of the wood works. I only made this video in hopes that it clears things up so it wont my ability to grow as a content creator because this is now a video, not just him complaining to people on stream. thousands of people are now going to see him accusing us, this is the only thing I could think of to do.
@@Lambda-Scorpii You did the best thing IMO. He called you out, It is rare that we get to see the accused POV in situations like this. The fact you also included the support tickets as proof just puts another nail in the coffin. Also was surprised to hear you and your brother are only around $500 into SC total between you both. Must be a lot better with money than I am personally lol
Dude, who cares about what Avenger_One says? lol, Who is Avenger_One? Don't give him more importance than another tox player like he is. He was raging. It's not first time he randomly accuses somebody lol. That's all.
Just a tip, let the man talk instead of commenting on everything he says, kinda hard at times to hear him talk when you talking over him, He talks first then we hear your version, usually the best way to go about it.
I was accused of cheating by a Twitch streamer a few moons ago. I joined his stream and offered to help him with what he was doing wrong, and some tips for better engagements but he turned the offer down!?! You can lead a donkey to water, et al. You gained a sub mate. The greatest compliment you can receive in my eyes is someone who considers themselves to be "one of the best" at a game calling you a cheat because you are working on levels several orders of magnitude beyond their understanding. Peace from Oz.
I love this because obviously you come across Avengers content when searching up SC but I can't stand his personality, he's very snobbish and arrogant.
Can you guys please make a video on how to map and dogfight with a controller? Looks like your pilot uses one and I would love to learn tips in doing so 👍
We are making a vid that should be up sometime later in the week about how to fly the Scorpius and it will also have the controls for the controller. We will also publish the control scheme as a download in the description so yall can give it a run.
Good video. For my own preference though I'd have liked the video being reviewed to have a higher volume. Was struggling in some parts to hear what A1 was saying
yeah, that was a mistake on my part, I had the stream too quiet for the recording really. I should have checked it but I didnt have time before he started talking.
Here is a thought, that sudden perceived change in speed is likely due to a transition from space to the moon orbit, spacecutlet did a video on the what it looks like when a ship transitions depending on size of the moon this can be an additional insant 1000ms+ difference from someone outside this radius. If you want to see the mechanic in action check out the QED video he posted about a year ago. I had my own opinion that there was foul play based on the smoothed but high speed changes in speed. Then I thought to all my experiences with a similar "speed change" and they were all vods that crossed from the moon into space really high up.
All internet is not equal even when you both have the same internet package, so on that note I would not accuse anyone of being a cheater. Great piloting and great video, this would make a top essay in college showing both the counter argument and the proposed argument. Excellent!!
ACCUSING PPL IS HOW U FIND THE REAL HACKERS. If A1 didnt accuse anyone and get one wrong for time to time he would not have exposed the hacker ring. You all are ridiculously soft. Get over it. Getting called hacker is a compliment if u know ur not hacking.
@@chillbill7705 but in that hacker ring video he “exposed” another backer again without evidence. All he did was say he was fighting X and a hacker discord was talking about it, both A1 and the discord assumed it was hacks without proof.
Nice job bro! All dog fighters should expect the unexpected, and be graciful to lose a fight to the days better Pilot. That day you were clearly the better pilot, congrats by the way. Stay respectful and graciful in your actions and attitude, and be the better Man , as I see you have done in this video. Your a good example for Star Citizen.
i started playing on 23 of december , i made a video about me playing sc for the first time and people in the comments and in-game think i'm a veteran , i've just been watching star citizen since 2014 but i never actually played it so you would think that i know a few bug work arounds or know my way around stanton and keybinds,wanting to play the game for years and then actually playing motivates you to learn more and faster etc i also noticed a thing where people in-game at least, so far 80% of the time... are completely clueless of logistics or their surroundings .. like i joined up with this crew that seemed actual veteran citizens to crew a hammerhead and the comms on chat talking about where to meet and who is where etc .. like .. completely clueless and i don't think it's an excuse when you legit haver markers in game for a party.. sc seems to be having a flow of new citizens.. actual gamers that know their way around games and have that quick critical thinking, and these "content creators" that we are so familiar to watch are now feeling that too .. they're not pvping some random dad that plays 30 minutes every night anymore.. actual gamers flocking in sc and it's competitive pvp .. but they are quick to jump the gun on " oh this guy's a cheater " where they've been so used to kill boomer players that don't know how to pvp better then them. and i dunno about you guys.. but when you call someone a cheater and then you get to see their pov and know you were wrong... i think it's minimal to apologize for what you said.. no? just me? edit: "I am not posting any videos on this since I have good references from you video to ease my mind" dude talking like you made this video just to ease his mind lol f***off. he made this video because you were toxic and jumped the gun and hundreds of viewers made him feel bad for something he didn't do. how about grow some accountability for the things you say. if you're down to call someone out publicly then you should be down to apologize pubicly too. "content creator alike" isn't that what you like to say so much avenger
I do not intend to partake in any of this as I do not see myself as a "PvPer." It is a video game at the end of the day, people are taking it too seriously and it's kinda gross tbh. The only time we engage in the PvP side of Star Citizen is when someone else instigates the fight. I do not care about "griefernet" whatever that even is, I won't waste my time looking it up. Liberty reapers, griefing, cheating, toxicity, all of it is cringe and yall need to get a life. There is more important stuff to this world than a video game and ALL of you guys really need a reality check. That is where I will end it.
@@Lambda-Scorpii lol what a crazy response. I think you take yourself too seriously. It's a video game dude. We just wanted to know how you feel about the toxicity that just got stirred back up. Have a nice day!
I dont know how to tag times in videos on youtube just yet so go to 13:08 to view our perspective, 28:45 for the report ticket, and 33:06 for some gameplay as proof I wasn't banned.
Did I miss something? when you showed the Xbox controller you said that’s the button the pilot uses……does the pilot use an Xbox controller? 😮 please tell me he does….that would make this video so much better😂
Apparently in my orgs discord, we had people talking about how he fought our org, and cut his stream short because my guys was kicking his ass. And the dude acts like he's god saying GF killing vultures in a cutty blue. Typical seal clubber. No wonder why the clown thought the Ion was over powered. Oh and of course the typical shitter in the top meta PVP ship is mad he lost. That's like using the AEK-971 on battlefield and thinking you're a god.
Dude is super cringe and egotistical… I watched him to learn SC better, and it helped, but his stream and how he carries himself is really arrogant and turned me off quick. Glad you put him in his place. Honestly.
Didn't think you can fly a ship so competently with a controller. I have an elite series 2 but use mouse n keyboard for flying. Do u think u can do a controller tutorial for flying cuz I'd love to use my controller for flying, as I'm sure a lot of people would feel the same
I can't really comment on people's skill or lack of because I'm the self confessed worst dogfighter in the verse...but While this is the 1st time I've seen him accuse people of cheating, I've seen him in the past being real salty in global and making excuses along the lines of "you only beat me because I wasn't prepared. Wait until I get this ship then 1v1 me" or he stays silent and comes back sweaty trying to get the 1st attack in so he starts off with 2 advantages of having a fresh ship and the first shots landed. Does he ever lose and say gg?
Imagine all of you flying as a team... you'd be fucking unstoppable. It's human nature to question things that don't make sense to us... I'd take it as a compliment. An extremely skilled pilot thought you hacked - that means something. Keep pushing out your content. People are attracted to watching skill.
I mean, A1's dirrect quote is "This Scorpius is either the best Scorpius pilot I have ever seen or like this Scorpius is out accelerating the Glaive which is not possible" and we werent cheating. I'm not going to say we are the best at the ship, but to this day we have not encountered anyone else in a Scorpius or anyone else really, who has really damaged us. I am not saying there isnt anyone out there who could take us out, but it just hasn't happened yet. It is an eventuality that we will be taken out, either by someone more skilled than us, or because we made a mistake and they capitalized on it.
This will definitely be happening. Beofre the Video, the main rule of thumb with two seater heavy fighters is to let the pilot pilot and let the gunner gun. have the pilot only power manage between thrusters and shields so they can put the gun where it need to be. The pilot should very rarely shoot.
The cool part about this to me is how you and Avenger were able to bury the hatchet here in the comments section. Not a lot of games have a community where drama can pop up and be resolved just as quickly. To a newer player like me, that is cool as hell.
That sucks, having a huge name in the game accuse you, wrongly, without even an opportunity to defend yourself. Still, it was a good video. I hope you'll make more for youtube.
Accusing someone of cheating doesn't achieve anything. So unless you're going to put in the effort to actually prove they're a cheater with evidence beyond doubt, and then go to the effort to ensure CIG can facilitate a ban/suspend, just don't bother. Especially when there's a conflict in interest, which in this case is that an accusation like this makes for an entertaining video - right or not. Just express how impressed you are, and let the odd cheater have their day, however hollow or sad that is.
ty man, at the moment we are still deciding what we are going to do with orgs, but we might be looking at making our own... shhh, its still a secret at this point though.
@@Lambda-Scorpii You might consider Skunk Works. Citizen Kate's org. They look like fun in the verse playing multi roles. That was the org I was considering. I do like PVP very much but I think SC is more than that. I was considering Avenger Squad for a while but too much drama for me. Exploring is what drew me to the game in the first place so maybe I'll find an org with a good fit some day.
@@dee5556 citizen Kate is awesome. they always seem to be having a great time on their adventures. the video where they drove STV's in Lorville business district was hillarious.
I remember one time i was about to kill him, and he just disappeared when i was about to kill him. Said that in the chat and of course people where white knight. Lost respect for him that day he still good but just come on dude.
its called flying decoupled stupid avenger 1. which is gonna put great distance between 2 fighters flying so fast, when he turns and isn't thrusting to bring down his thrust. so he'll be facing you but going away at 1km/s, anyway all this desync and fast flying jousting shit should hopefully be gone this year.
@@XShadowAngel pretty sure he doesn't realize servers can't keep up with people moving si fast which is another reason for rubber banding and desync and master modes.
Im prowd of you boys fighting this one, You remind me of my two sons. Avenger one, THERES ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER. Knock off thinking your the best and your the only one, I heard some storys about you I dont like, See ya soon...
I too would like the whole video posted so we can review footage. we record all of our fights but this one we were only able to get 2 min for... we were kind of let down tbh, that has been fixed on our end for the future though.
Hey, I’m looking for people to practice with and get better at PVP with. And generally play the game for fun with. No drama attached. I’ve made a similar offer to the other player who was accused of cheating.
@@squirrellordsgaming2772 yeah pvp, can be a bit hard to practice because so many people try to dodge it as much as possible it seems. if you ever find us in the verse dont hesitate to pop up, we are also going to be making a vid specifically about the Scorp and how to fly it best for PVP.
I am certainly not a big Avenger_One fan, this is very obvious in many of my posts concerning him and his "opinions" on specific ships. However, lets not pretend for a second that any of us are any better. We should all be able to admit that in the heat of a losing battle we've mumbled (or let out in an outburst of emotional distain) that our opponent was cheating a time or two. And he is no different, he was just as wrong as you were when you called that player who blew you up a cheater. Granted, the difference being he has a platform and a large audience, and because of that he should have more self control in what he says. But still, I feel like we've got to cut the guy a little slack.
hey man like, as someone who hangs out in the avenger squadron discord I'm sorry that you had these accusations and it kinda put you off from joining in with Avenger Squadron Like I hope and I hope that A1 does see this and you guys can talk it out because I think maybe it was a situation of just a different way of flying that isnt typically seen being seen as a hack because when you explained that simply you backed up on their rotation based on that description that is basically just a simple extension... an extension of an already LARGE circle but an extension none the less. I both kinda see from his point of view it does look a little weird but when you explained what you did and saw it from the pilot perspective it didnt seem like anything was off. personally If things can get cleared up I would love to still see you join the discord and hang out. it kinda broke my heart when you said that it was sort of a way to interact and maybe even join that this happend, theres a lot of good guys in there and again I hope you would still be willing... assuming things clear up.
Yeah, we happened to log into the same server and had him as our Suspect Apprehension bounties, it was as if all the stars had aligned. We accpeted it and were like either we are going to die or win and we not about to go easy or warp.
@@Lambda-Scorpii yea man 100% like again I do hope you an A1 clear it all up and hell you even decide to join the discord still and join avenger squadron I would love to see you there and fly and train with you I know you probably wouldnt be apposed to doing that without joining but It would just make communications easier if that makes sense right, unless you also have a discord and I can pop into that too
Being a good pilot doesn't make you judge and jury. When you are supposed to be the best reference as a pilot in game and you get beaten ... just admit that your reign as fallen and move on. total loss of respect for me for Avenger. don't blame hacks when you can't keep up with better players.
Were just so much better than other pilots because we have 2 decades of 2 seater experience lmfao. Why even bust out this obvious lie. Even if you weren't guilty statements like that make you look guilty. Because if you are willing to lie about one thing what else would you be willing to lie about.
Thank you for showing your side of the fight, and I appreciate the analysis, I was convinced and I mean CONVINCED something was going on, but like all things in life if you go based on feeling alone it can get you In trouble. If CIG took a look and it was cleared and your scorp never went over 15 gs then it's just SC being SC, there ARE hacks out there and what I saw with the rubber banding from you made me question. I am not posting any videos on this since I have good references from you video to ease my mind, I'm honestly very glad it turned out this way. Let the crowed say their peace, but let it be said I'm willing to change in the face of new information. Good flying, if you would like another fight, this time I'm not useing 700m/s snowball cannons drop by and have a shot, peace 0/
Thank you for reaching out. I know this has probably been a bit of a mess, but I having been trying to get our name clear and this was the next thing I could have done. For the record we are still fans and a lot of what we did in the video we learned from watching your vids. I hope oneday I can fly as good as you and my brother (pilot) but until then, Rule Number One: Protect the Pilot.
@Leschath its just life, somtimes things are just never what they seem, there will always be lightning rods for hate, and there are plenty of ppl put there who want to see me fail, but I'm willing to learn. You are welcome to join the AVS discord, contrary to what ppl say I'm not a know it all. This situation is proof I'm still learning and despite my gut feeling, it's obvious there was no hack. How did your ship rubber band the way it did at the end of the fight? How did you get 15.1 Gs on a Scorpius? I've never gone above 14? These are things that keep me up at night 😆. Anyway it's 1AM in the morning, I'm not posting my video on this, as to some of the trolls dismay, they will have to find other reasons to hate me haha, see you around.
@@Lambda-Scorpii Dude called you a cheater broadcasting his opinion to prolly 200 people watching (including me), called you names, you literally had to create this 45 minutes video to clean your honour - and then you just happily wagging your tail first time he speaks to you? At least ask him to apologise, jesus. Maybe that'll learn him to think before accusing someone next time.
@@Mr568691 I'm not wagging my tail by any means. I am simple acknowledging and accepting the apology. Just because one negative thing happens doesn't mean you can't make amends. Forgivness is a thing, I do like not burn any bridges, I like to talk to people, thats the one thing in life I will always tell people.
@@Lambda-Scorpii He didn't apologize anywhere in his comment though. He basically says thanks for showing your side of the story and then justifies his initial response because he knows hacks exist. He never actually apologizes to anyone for anything. From his reaction to the initial combat and then his comment above, he sounds like a true narcissist.
I was watching this live and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. I like Avengers stream but it definitely came across as him being unable to come to terms with the fact that he was beat fair and square, and just leaning on "I know what I'm talking about" as evidence. Definitely lost a lot of respect for him, he's always come across as "knowledgeable" but now that comes across more as pure arrogance.
thats because he isnt the best player in the world but wants to believe that he is, major ego damage if people can kill him over and over.
AV1 has went downhill since he bent the knee a few months back. respect lost as a man, and even more respect lost as a sportsman.
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yeah I recieved some messages from his viewers coming to my defense when the whole thing went down live. I was blown away and still am by the amount of support you guys are showing. I was for sure thinking the "mob mentality" was going to kick in where everyone takes his side because he is a big part of the community.
Correction: this guy isnt cheating but the vid shows A1 accusations were for good reason he just simply got this one wrong… it happens.. Look at A1 last video lol he did more digging and came up with vids of the cheats being used. Yall r so dumb for believeing this youtuber saying “nO i DiDnT ChEaT” ge just says this whole vid ya we cheated and ya u dont know how to pilot and hmmm mhhhmmm. Such bad replies and you all eho believed him are dumb af
I’ve lost all respect for that organization a long time ago. Avenger One is such an egotistical person. I had to tell UA-cam to stop recommending his channel to me.
I caught a few of his videos eight before capacitors were added. It only took 2.5 videos for me to figure out what he's about.
This is just who AvengerOne is tbh. He has a long history of being toxic dating back to EVE. He already quit SC once when he lost his old org. He then quit Squadrons because he was losing. Now he just calls everyone a cheater or exploiter whenever he loses a fight. The guys ego can't handle losing. His org (which is named after himself) reflects his ego and attitude that they only lose because of hacks exploits cheating...
twitch streamers are all like this. it's all Ego
PROBLEM is they think they are BIGGER than the culture or game they play.
i don't want FANS of streamers to become backers of the game. they have NO soul or Faith in the project might aswel be called Organic View bots
@@arcadealchemist Part of the reason I absolutely loath streaming platforms, it just breeds egotistical douchebags and then you get the people who are utter sycophants for it
@@vamperic it's why i also think people like Zhylo are and Lando are DAMAGING the project not helping it
CIG could save money getting rid of everyone who has a Narcissistic personality isse or assume they are BIGGER than the project.
Streamers are USING the project to make themselves wealthy while not really contributing POSITVLY
Streams draw attention to EVERY SMALL MINOR DETAIL: that effects them negatively and it 's not the GAME it's the PEOPLE they interact with
so getting CIG to change the game cos streamers get SNIPED or Pad RAMMED.
that shit needs to stop
Look at this guy, Templeman. The man who blew up Renegade Squadron, Avenger Squadron be warned, he will turn his back on you, he will blame all of you in the end as he did us. It pains me to see all of this, this man used to be my friend but his ego and his greed and lust for clout and popularity blinded him as he himself said, pushed anyone away that threatens his "alpha" position. this 1% mentality is completely unjustified in this game environment, your so desperate to maintain this best star fighter image you took a GAMBLE on accusing someone of cheating? I hope all of you see this man for what he really is, he didn't even apologize to these dude he called cheaters. Be warned Avenger Squadron, once he blows up again your org will too. Ask him and Tazius the consequences of backstabbing your most loyal lieutenant. Ask him if being a master of a flight model thats going in the garbage worth it?
He is trying to project that he is an alpha male A1 is a beta male to be one his actions prove this also I remember years back I remember another person being called a cheater and wasn't cheating A1 has history proving this people never learn from history where I look back at history and now it I see now A1 is mocking your fav ship which isn't cool at all
Epic Fight .You and you brother are a great team Looks good on Avenger_One to get called out on his bs . Thanks for the combat tips and the esp activation on trigger tip !
To the people who are still confused about what happened at 6:16, the coming in and coming out, which does look very weird, since I was still confused myself about Leschath's explanation, this coming in and coming out is an illusion. This because the target rectangle gets bigger and smaller because Delta-Scorpii, the scorpius pilot, is deploying and retracting his wings. This is a smooth movement which means that the rectangle smootlhy grows and smoothly shrinks. You can also see the scorpius deploying wings on A1's MFD.
thank you for noticing this, i didn't even notice it was at that specific time. We were trying to signal him to stop so we can talk about what was being said. I think we even drop a flare before we start flapping like a birb, tweet tweet.
Edit: As it is a remote turrent (I dont have a MFD) I can't see what he is doing with the ship most of the time. I also don't really pilot anything smaller that the 400i most of the time so I am not that good at explaining what is going on, sorry.
I noticed this also as I was surprised how much time they were spending with the wings retracted.
Man, I think you and your brother should make a squad call "revengers". Count me in.
Or the cheaters. Look at the new proof out
sorry .. to be honest, you made such an huge point here that i have to ask it, who is Avenger one ?
he runs a big org in the game, has a big following on YT and Twitch and he is also admittedly one of the best PVP players out there.
@@Lambda-Scorpii he was being sarcastic, hyrokkin shits on av1 and most of the pilots in AS. Dunno if he has many videos of himself fighting on UA-cam, but if you see him in the verse, have a go. If you can get his shields down, consider yourself in the top 1% of players.
He's that guy that's in schwang's org 😂
9:24 'he came in rom 1700 to 800...' in 5seconds while you both were charging head on both going 1200m/s, homie cant do basic math
I see Templar is repeating his SWS days. Nice "apology" lol.
On the bright side, yesterday I never knew you existed. Today I subbed to your channel. We all know you didn't cheat, Avenger learned a life lesson...net positive.
YO, TY for the sub! I cant to start posting more often.
Ego-1 didn’t learn jack. The more I look into him the more I’ve found he accuses anyone that beats him of cheating. All his video was him trying to save face with his audience.
haha no he didn't, he has a long history of this behavior
ACCUSING PEOPLE OF CHEATING IS GOOD THAT IS HOW U GET HACKER BANNED. FROM TIME TO TIME U GET ONE WRONG… r u all really this dumb. Since when is accusing someone of cheats a bad thing. Isnt this how we get the real cheaters banned??? In any other game being called a cheater when u lnow ur not is the biggest compliment!! If ur not cheating u wont b banned what is the issue even? JUST A BUNCH OF NERDS AND SNOWFLAKES ON SC OR SOMETHING???
@@chillbill7705 You should apologize to everyone who had to read that incredibly moronic response
Avenger1 is literally the definition of “I’m the best ever and if I lose then they’re cheating”
There is more proof out they r cheating lmao. Imagine leaving this dumb comment 1 mo ago. Accusing people of cheating is good that is how u find the real cheaters. He got one wrong and now all the SC players are going to cry and rally behind this guy? Yall dumb as hell. A1 exposed a hacker ring and you all were sitting over here mad about A SINGLE FLASE ACCUSATION. SC players… this was a horrible look on u. Get ur act together and stop being so soft. We should be congratulating this guy gor getting called a hacker by one of the best pilots not being a bunch ot pussies
was thinking about joining avenger squadron but now I think you helped me avoid the cringe that would inevitably entail. Thanks for posting this
Tarkov just had a very similar situation come up, a streamer accused someone who killed him as being a cheater and submitted a report to a contact he had at Battlestate Games, unfortunately the other guy, who was not cheating and showed his point of view, had his account banned in an hour. People streaming need to be extra careful with this stuff because sometimes dev's really do take them more seriously than other players.
Moral of the story is, there are a million things that might look fishy but due to networking and bugs in general, tossing out accusations should be held for only the most blatant of cheaters.
This. In a world of online gaming, you can be "certain" unless its obvious. but I am glad nothing bad came of this and it seems like everything is back to normal, or so I hope.
Nee proof out now on A1 channel. Go look at the hacking ring on SC. This guy was probably using them fooling all of u like he has no idea what A1 is talking abiut lol. Ive seen the clips of cheaters it’s undeniable
Glad you put out this video. Awesome that you guys really know how to fly it.
Not at all go look at the new proof out of the cheaters
This is not uncommon. These guys have accused me of combat logging before. I hit the floor while they were chasing me down (I was low flying with a bounty), and they accused me of combat logging. Despite showing video evidence that I did not (to be fair from their perspective it looked like I did), they ignored it and continued to act as if I had logged. Hopefully the greater SC playerbase will come to realize how shitty this group is.
Just to clarify I'm not saying all avengers are bad people but the group as a whole is terrible. A few of them are genuine and nice people. Sorrowss and Schwang are a good example of good avengers.
@@shi-gi4200 I wouldn’t know, they banned me. Lol
Reporting ppl who may or may nit be cheating is good for the game bc if ur not cheating u wont get banned and if u r u will. Y r ppl making such a bug deal? CIG will either ban or they wont. And if u dont report sus ppl or a sus fight then thats bad for the game.
Funny because there is video evidence of him combst logging. God i wish he would go back to eve
Mate you are a bigger man than I am. Everything I have seen so far from A1 on this subject has been justifying his own behaviour, and nothing of any kind of sincere and meaningful apology. You are definitely the bigger man here accepting this as an apology.
I don't know what has been said between you all in private talks, but publicly A1's apology I find has been very lacking in any meaningful content.
There were no talks in provate, everything that has been exchanged is public.
A1 has a track record of doing this before in the early days
And now there is load of proof that these guys r using cheats. Go check it out yall.
@@chillbill7705 if you are talking about the A1 cheating Vid he recently put out. A1 talked to them when he made that vid, and it's in the vid him talking to them. There is nothing in that vid that shows these guys were cheating. he just says that he suspected them of cheating, because he had come across other people who were cheating prior to fighting them.
@@Darksoull. yeah ur right i didnt know this guy. But point being when looking for cheaters ur gonna get it wrong for some players and thats why CIG has to look into it and ban or not ban based on the report. A1 did nothing wrong saying this guy was cheating. He was in the cheat hunter mindset and u gotta report anyone who is sus. He got it wrong for this guy but hey you can demand perfection lol. He caught some bug cheats and this was just 1 mis step
Nice video dude, I think people can see what's really happened here. No 1 PVPer gets salty cos he lost, then bans you from his chat when you voice your opinion..... yeah, naaaaa.
my guy, you need to pause the video if you are going to explain stuff, so we don't hear both you and the video at the same time. makes for a very unpleasant listening experience.
glad you were able to defend yourself from cheating accusations tho O7
this was his live stream (he was live talking about this) so i couldn't pause it with risk of losing the next statment from him.
@@Lambda-Scorpii i see, yeah Twitch is terrible when it comes to giving the viewer control over rewinding a live feed, unlike UA-cam.
It really sucks when people are in the position Avenger is in, where he can get away with this kind of shit because he does know a good bit about the game, even if it's not nearly as much as he'd like to believe, and despite his delusions he is not in fact the best pilot in the game. He makes some fairly informative content for people interested in PvP, but at the same time is a delusional egomaniac who can't fathom the idea of losing a fight to someone simply being better than him as opposed to him making some kind of glaring mistake or having internet issues or something.
He also fails to understand that, while PvP does have its place in the persistent universe component of SC, his preferred style of somewhat organized dogfighting is NOT the kind of PvP that belongs there. That's what Arena Commander is for. The persistent universe is the place for proper operations and objective control the likes of which you get to see at Jumptown events. Don't get me wrong, dogfighting is fun as hell and I love flying in SC, but I'll be damned if some of the shit people pull off during JT doesn't just about give me goosebumps. "Proper" organized dogfighting may be perfectly understandable now while there are still tons of unimplemented gameplay elements that leave us no other real options outside of JT events, but as the game receives more of its content I imagine that kind of dogfighting in the persistent universe will start to look like the 30th century version of illegal street racing.
The larger scale PvP we see at Jumptown absolutely belongs in Star Citizen, and it delivers an experience that only Star Citizen can deliver without excessive post-processing, but despite that SC is not what I would call a "PvP game." It is simply a multiplayer game. You can cooperate or compete with other players, whichever you choose. The notion that because there are spaceships with guns on them SC is somehow a primarily combat-focused game, as I've seen in a comment on someone else's video (either one of Avenger's or another person calling him out on bullshit), is utterly stupid. That would be like saying the US is officially a combat zone because people can own and carry firearms. Weapons are tools that, among other things, can provide insurance in the face of the reality that not everyone is above taking from or harming others for their own gain, or even for the hell of it.
Anyway besides all that what REALLY sickens me is how Avenger maintains such a childish mindset but will still make these videos where he goes on for 20 minutes spitting the most vague and nebulous shit at people, trying to sound apologetic but really only crying and insisting that it isn't his fault, then daring to pretend that he is genuinely trying to improve himself as a person.
I am a person that tends to be far too trusting of others, who tends to take people at face value and give them the benefit of the doubt wherever possible, and in plenty of cases that makes interacting with other humans very difficult because human nature is so far from that. The worst examples are the ones like Avenger, who not only do some of the most disgusting and nonsensical bullshit to try to elevate themselves to a status they don't actually have, but simultaneously put on such a convincing pretense of being a genuine, kind person. Those people not only undermine my trust in every person I ever interact with in any capacity greater than for instance ordering fast food, but drive me to utterly despise the individual in question, knowing there is little chance they'll ever have a reason to stop being that way.
Honestly Avenger's outlook puts a whole new spin on that little bit about "joining the PvP movement" he sticks next to his twitch link in most of his videos. It makes it look like he is really so nearsighted and ignorant that he wants to turn all of SC into what Arena Commander is for, purely an FPS game with 6 degrees of freedom and lasers. We have games like Star Wars Squadrons for that. That gameplay is fun and has its place, but SC is not the place for it. SC intends to simulate every possible aspect of a living universe, and even in such an unfinished state it gets a hell of a lot closer to that than any other game has dared to even try.
I think it would greatly benefit the people that enjoy PvP in any kind of game like this if they stopped lifting people like Avenger to positions of leadership and influence. I know it's probably at worst a fairly even split between people who just enjoy PvP and literal chimpanzees, but when the chimpanzees like Avenger who want to force everyone to devolve to experiencing neuron activation from SW: Squadrons-type gameplay in a setting that is meant to be so much more really don't give their communities a great look. It's disgusting and sad.
Again, I absolutely believe simple dogfighting is super fun, even though I tend to avoid it at the moment due to not having flight sticks to give me personally what I think would be more intuitive, more precise controls. The problem lies in being unable (or worse, consciously refusing) to see the value in the simpler, or more complex, things. The value of doing things as mundane as mining, salvaging, or cargo running, particularly with friends or even just other random people you meet; and in the future, doing things as grand and ambitious as setting up bases for organizations and building up fleets to defend them.
Star Citizen provides a setting that is by far in a league of its own with respect to its ability to facilitate an immersive experience, and the genuinely nice, patient, well-intentioned people that make up most of its regular playerbase provide the materials to create those experiences. The importance of neither component can be understated. The marvel of technological innovation that is the basis of Star Citizen, even in its hilarious unfinished state, gives us the perfect place to intentionally or unintentionally have some of the best experiences a simulation could hope to provide; likewise, the community brings actual life to the janky, overambitious masterpiece CIG is putting together.
In the face of this one opportunity to have a good time playing a game unlike any other ever attempted, how can we still allow ourselves to be controlled by such selfish, shortsighted, primitive parts of our nature, to the detriment of not only our own but many many other people's chance to take that opportunity? Can we really not be any better than this?
I need to stop looking at this drama shit, it keeps making me write essays in youtube comments and it takes up so much time
Avenger one is a freaking sweat lord, and a typical SC knight. I see nothing surprising here. XD
I was unpleasantly surprised because i thought he was better than that.
The reason you are surprised is because he bans people in chat or uses the report system and his “personal rep” to make sure that he can take away people’s voice.
@@trebion Facts!
at 12 minutes it almost looks like his buddy stops accelerating he is just mad honestly. Somebody kicked his ass, He didn't like it. The fact that CIG hasn't contacted you about it or banned you means you aren't cheating
Thats the thing, they completed the support ticket with no bans
@@Lambda-Scorpii Way I see it you just out played him. Congrats. Just don't let it get to your head, A cocky pilot is a dead pilot. (As you can see is the case with Avenger_One)
@@zaktii yeah, you never know who out there is better than you, might be someone who just comes out of the wood works. I only made this video in hopes that it clears things up so it wont my ability to grow as a content creator because this is now a video, not just him complaining to people on stream. thousands of people are now going to see him accusing us, this is the only thing I could think of to do.
@@Lambda-Scorpii You did the best thing IMO. He called you out, It is rare that we get to see the accused POV in situations like this. The fact you also included the support tickets as proof just puts another nail in the coffin.
Also was surprised to hear you and your brother are only around $500 into SC total between you both. Must be a lot better with money than I am personally lol
@@zaktii lmao, we are saving for the perseus, we want it as an exploration ship in 4.0.
Dude, who cares about what Avenger_One says? lol, Who is Avenger_One? Don't give him more importance than another tox player like he is. He was raging. It's not first time he randomly accuses somebody lol. That's all.
Who's avenger, the guy who's sweating all the time?
Just a tip, let the man talk instead of commenting on everything he says, kinda hard at times to hear him talk when you talking over him, He talks first then we hear your version, usually the best way to go about it.
I was accused of cheating by a Twitch streamer a few moons ago. I joined his stream and offered to help him with what he was doing wrong, and some tips for better engagements but he turned the offer down!?!
You can lead a donkey to water, et al.
You gained a sub mate. The greatest compliment you can receive in my eyes is someone who considers themselves to be "one of the best" at a game calling you a cheat because you are working on levels several orders of magnitude beyond their understanding. Peace from Oz.
I love this because obviously you come across Avengers content when searching up SC but I can't stand his personality, he's very snobbish and arrogant.
Also he uses people and throws them away like trash he will never them in
Binding ESP with trigger (mouse or stick?) when firing to simulate holding your breath when firing your weapon?
Can you guys please make a video on how to map and dogfight with a controller? Looks like your pilot uses one and I would love to learn tips in doing so 👍
i think it as for me that uses sticks, fully up to the pilot to find a comfortable layout :)
We are making a vid that should be up sometime later in the week about how to fly the Scorpius and it will also have the controls for the controller. We will also publish the control scheme as a download in the description so yall can give it a run.
@@Lambda-Scorpii that’s awesome thanks!
You said your brother uses a controller to fly? Would he be willing to share his controller binds file?
Good video. For my own preference though I'd have liked the video being reviewed to have a higher volume. Was struggling in some parts to hear what A1 was saying
yeah, that was a mistake on my part, I had the stream too quiet for the recording really. I should have checked it but I didnt have time before he started talking.
@@Lambda-Scorpii All good!
"Streamer finally stays in fight long enough to accuse someone of cheating, forgets where Alt+F4 buttons are" - I fixed the title for you. :)
Here is a thought, that sudden perceived change in speed is likely due to a transition from space to the moon orbit, spacecutlet did a video on the what it looks like when a ship transitions depending on size of the moon this can be an additional insant 1000ms+ difference from someone outside this radius. If you want to see the mechanic in action check out the QED video he posted about a year ago. I had my own opinion that there was foul play based on the smoothed but high speed changes in speed. Then I thought to all my experiences with a similar "speed change" and they were all vods that crossed from the moon into space really high up.
All internet is not equal even when you both have the same internet package, so on that note I would not accuse anyone of being a cheater. Great piloting and great video, this would make a top essay in college showing both the counter argument and the proposed argument. Excellent!!
i'd give myself a solid C+ because I got off topic a bit.
ACCUSING PPL IS HOW U FIND THE REAL HACKERS. If A1 didnt accuse anyone and get one wrong for time to time he would not have exposed the hacker ring. You all are ridiculously soft. Get over it. Getting called hacker is a compliment if u know ur not hacking.
@@chillbill7705 but in that hacker ring video he “exposed” another backer again without evidence. All he did was say he was fighting X and a hacker discord was talking about it, both A1 and the discord assumed it was hacks without proof.
This mentality plagues every game. There's no way he is better than me he must be cheating. Welcome to the new age of gamers.
Had to sub for that magic 250
what a chad
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Nice job bro! All dog fighters should expect the unexpected, and be graciful to lose a fight to the days better Pilot. That day you were clearly the better pilot, congrats by the way.
Stay respectful and graciful in your actions and attitude, and be the better Man , as I see you have done in this video. Your a good example for Star Citizen.
Thanks, I want the game to grow and by doing what he did only separates the community and might make people thinking about getting the game hesitant.
Better pilot lmao what a joke there is new proof of cheats out
Tell Avenger_1 he’ll need to bring his dozen or so Merlin’s with him next time 😂
i started playing on 23 of december , i made a video about me playing sc for the first time and people in the comments and in-game think i'm a veteran , i've just been watching star citizen since 2014 but i never actually played it so you would think that i know a few bug work arounds or know my way around stanton and keybinds,wanting to play the game for years and then actually playing motivates you to learn more and faster etc
i also noticed a thing where people in-game at least, so far 80% of the time... are completely clueless of logistics or their surroundings
.. like i joined up with this crew that seemed actual veteran citizens to crew a hammerhead and the comms on chat talking about where to meet and who is where etc .. like .. completely clueless and i don't think it's an excuse when you legit haver markers in game for a party..
sc seems to be having a flow of new citizens.. actual gamers that know their way around games and have that quick critical thinking, and these "content creators" that we are so familiar to watch are now feeling that too .. they're not pvping some random dad that plays 30 minutes every night anymore.. actual gamers flocking in sc and it's competitive pvp .. but they are quick to jump the gun on " oh this guy's a cheater " where they've been so used to kill boomer players that don't know how to pvp better then them.
and i dunno about you guys.. but when you call someone a cheater and then you get to see their pov and know you were wrong... i think it's minimal to apologize for what you said.. no? just me?
edit: "I am not posting any videos on this since I have good references from you video to ease my mind" dude talking like you made this video just to ease his mind lol f***off.
he made this video because you were toxic and jumped the gun and hundreds of viewers made him feel bad for something he didn't do.
how about grow some accountability for the things you say. if you're down to call someone out publicly then you should be down to apologize pubicly too.
"content creator alike" isn't that what you like to say so much avenger
one way to "halfass it"
He quantumed away? ..sigh...thats a 🏆! And you sent him to the woods to apologize lol
With the recent release of AVS latest Name and shame video i would like to talk to you and you gunner about this
I do not intend to partake in any of this as I do not see myself as a "PvPer." It is a video game at the end of the day, people are taking it too seriously and it's kinda gross tbh. The only time we engage in the PvP side of Star Citizen is when someone else instigates the fight. I do not care about "griefernet" whatever that even is, I won't waste my time looking it up. Liberty reapers, griefing, cheating, toxicity, all of it is cringe and yall need to get a life. There is more important stuff to this world than a video game and ALL of you guys really need a reality check.
That is where I will end it.
@@Lambda-Scorpii lol what a crazy response. I think you take yourself too seriously. It's a video game dude. We just wanted to know how you feel about the toxicity that just got stirred back up. Have a nice day!
Avenger is a giant baby. Luckily his opinion only matters if you care.
I dont know how to tag times in videos on youtube just yet so go to 13:08 to view our perspective, 28:45 for the report ticket, and 33:06 for some gameplay as proof I wasn't banned.
Did I miss something? when you showed the Xbox controller you said that’s the button the pilot uses……does the pilot use an Xbox controller? 😮 please tell me he does….that would make this video so much better😂
He does, he has a Xbox Elite Controller Series 2
@@Lambda-Scorpii 😂 that is epic! You guys are an amazing team.
@@jsandra860 Thanks!
Apparently in my orgs discord, we had people talking about how he fought our org, and cut his stream short because my guys was kicking his ass.
And the dude acts like he's god saying GF killing vultures in a cutty blue. Typical seal clubber. No wonder why the clown thought the Ion was over powered.
Oh and of course the typical shitter in the top meta PVP ship is mad he lost. That's like using the AEK-971 on battlefield and thinking you're a god.
It goes deeper than that when 4.0 major fire works will happen with A1 another group of people which A1 trash them for just watch it happen mate
Hey on the up side you and your pilot are SOO GOOD that you were both accused of cheating.
Good response.
Well i just learned something... im cutting space brake completely out of how i fly
Dude is super cringe and egotistical… I watched him to learn SC better, and it helped, but his stream and how he carries himself is really arrogant and turned me off quick. Glad you put him in his place. Honestly.
You said your brother uses controller, I've tried using sticks and cannot get used to it, so would I be able to use a ps5 controller
I think you can, but i am not certain, he uses an elite series 2
a gimbled turret at max speed is all I saw, nice
lmao gotta actively use the limiter
Didn't think you can fly a ship so competently with a controller. I have an elite series 2 but use mouse n keyboard for flying. Do u think u can do a controller tutorial for flying cuz I'd love to use my controller for flying, as I'm sure a lot of people would feel the same
I will talk it over with him as his controls are hard to learn. and if so we will also publish the control scheme.
@Leschath awesome! Great fight btw!
Time to make your own squad
yep
Geez...........I can see AV1's skull getting bigger the more he talks.
He accuses everyone of cheating. Nbd.
I can't really comment on people's skill or lack of because I'm the self confessed worst dogfighter in the verse...but
While this is the 1st time I've seen him accuse people of cheating, I've seen him in the past being real salty in global and making excuses along the lines of "you only beat me because I wasn't prepared. Wait until I get this ship then 1v1 me" or he stays silent and comes back sweaty trying to get the 1st attack in so he starts off with 2 advantages of having a fresh ship and the first shots landed.
Does he ever lose and say gg?
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Imagine all of you flying as a team... you'd be fucking unstoppable. It's human nature to question things that don't make sense to us... I'd take it as a compliment. An extremely skilled pilot thought you hacked - that means something. Keep pushing out your content. People are attracted to watching skill.
I mean, A1's dirrect quote is "This Scorpius is either the best Scorpius pilot I have ever seen or like this Scorpius is out accelerating the Glaive which is not possible" and we werent cheating. I'm not going to say we are the best at the ship, but to this day we have not encountered anyone else in a Scorpius or anyone else really, who has really damaged us.
I am not saying there isnt anyone out there who could take us out, but it just hasn't happened yet. It is an eventuality that we will be taken out, either by someone more skilled than us, or because we made a mistake and they capitalized on it.
he's just pissed that he can't fly as good
I think there's only one thing left to do. CHALLENG TO THE DEATH (In the verse)
Definitely a bad take by A1
Avenger F4 stayed in a fight without combat logging? This must be a rare thing to catch on video. Lol.
Please make some tutorials on how to fly heavy fighters. You and your bro clearly have that stuff down to a science.
This will definitely be happening. Beofre the Video, the main rule of thumb with two seater heavy fighters is to let the pilot pilot and let the gunner gun. have the pilot only power manage between thrusters and shields so they can put the gun where it need to be. The pilot should very rarely shoot.
@@Lambda-Scorpii In that case the pilot should be armed with ballistics. So that when he does join in that it makes more of a difference.
claims blades are hard to kill even for arrows but i kill blades pretty easily
Good Video,
Where is the link to the video of this being proven true lol
The cool part about this to me is how you and Avenger were able to bury the hatchet here in the comments section. Not a lot of games have a community where drama can pop up and be resolved just as quickly. To a newer player like me, that is cool as hell.
That sucks, having a huge name in the game accuse you, wrongly, without even an opportunity to defend yourself. Still, it was a good video. I hope you'll make more for youtube.
I will be for sure. Thanks!
Accusing someone of cheating doesn't achieve anything. So unless you're going to put in the effort to actually prove they're a cheater with evidence beyond doubt, and then go to the effort to ensure CIG can facilitate a ban/suspend, just don't bother.
Especially when there's a conflict in interest, which in this case is that an accusation like this makes for an entertaining video - right or not.
Just express how impressed you are, and let the odd cheater have their day, however hollow or sad that is.
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@@Lambda-Scorpii *To Avenger_One
I should have added
Мамкин космонавт расстроился 😂😂😂
Well any org that gets these two guys is getting better pilot gunner combo then they ever could deserve so best of luck 🤞
ty man, at the moment we are still deciding what we are going to do with orgs, but we might be looking at making our own... shhh, its still a secret at this point though.
@@Lambda-Scorpii You might consider Skunk Works. Citizen Kate's org. They look like fun in the verse playing multi roles. That was the org I was considering. I do like PVP very much but I think SC is more than that. I was considering Avenger Squad for a while but too much drama for me. Exploring is what drew me to the game in the first place so maybe I'll find an org with a good fit some day.
@@dee5556 citizen Kate is awesome. they always seem to be having a great time on their adventures. the video where they drove STV's in Lorville business district was hillarious.
@@luvit579 I got a good laugh we she crashed the Corsair... Oops!
You should go the long haul and make your own
Space brake works, what you're experiencing sounds like the brake is trying to be bound to a slider, that should instead be set as a button.
Space brake dampens all acceleration any direction to bring you to as quick as a stop as possible.
@@Lambda-Scorpii yes
@@rgoo519 therefore you cannot use it and still maneuver 100%
@Leschath Sorry I mistook what you said in the vid for an issue I had with binding the space brake on Virpil sticks.
Cheaters in an Alpha are pathetic. Waste of time giving a cheater any time.
I remember one time i was about to kill him, and he just disappeared when i was about to kill him. Said that in the chat and of course people where white knight. Lost respect for him that day he still good but just come on dude.
I think you, your brother and Delanos need talk.
You may have a case for a defamation of character law suit.
if I remember correctly when scorpious came out it had top acceleration can out class arrow easily back then hell broken
its called flying decoupled stupid avenger 1. which is gonna put great distance between 2 fighters flying so fast, when he turns and isn't thrusting to bring down his thrust. so he'll be facing you but going away at 1km/s, anyway all this desync and fast flying jousting shit should hopefully be gone this year.
Pretty sure he knows how decoupled flight works. lol.
@@XShadowAngel pretty sure he doesn't realize servers can't keep up with people moving si fast which is another reason for rubber banding and desync and master modes.
Hacker!
Avenger_one is the type of guy who thinks he's better than everyone and can't accept losses.... i mean, just look at his face.
Im prowd of you boys fighting this one, You remind me of my two sons. Avenger one, THERES ALWAYS SOMEONE BETTER. Knock off thinking your the best and your the only one, I heard some storys about you I dont like, See ya soon...
2 decades my ass 😒
Pulll the video so we can see it for ourselfs!
I too would like the whole video posted so we can review footage. we record all of our fights but this one we were only able to get 2 min for... we were kind of let down tbh, that has been fixed on our end for the future though.
This didn’t age well.
haha i was just thinking the same thing lol
I have only seen 2 cheaters in my 6 years of playing SC. nothing in this vid resembled cheating.
Hey, I’m looking for people to practice with and get better at PVP with. And generally play the game for fun with. No drama attached. I’ve made a similar offer to the other player who was accused of cheating.
maybe, we aren't big fans of staged 1v1s because it does feel a bit lackluster, and takes away from the feeling of randomness in space.
@@Lambda-Scorpii I'm not a huge fan of staged fights either, I just want to get better at PVP fighting and play the game to just have fun.
@@squirrellordsgaming2772 yeah pvp, can be a bit hard to practice because so many people try to dodge it as much as possible it seems. if you ever find us in the verse dont hesitate to pop up, we are also going to be making a vid specifically about the Scorp and how to fly it best for PVP.
@@Lambda-Scorpii Sounds good, thanks.
I am certainly not a big Avenger_One fan, this is very obvious in many of my posts concerning him and his "opinions" on specific ships. However, lets not pretend for a second that any of us are any better. We should all be able to admit that in the heat of a losing battle we've mumbled (or let out in an outburst of emotional distain) that our opponent was cheating a time or two. And he is no different, he was just as wrong as you were when you called that player who blew you up a cheater. Granted, the difference being he has a platform and a large audience, and because of that he should have more self control in what he says. But still, I feel like we've got to cut the guy a little slack.
hey man like, as someone who hangs out in the avenger squadron discord I'm sorry that you had these accusations and it kinda put you off from joining in with Avenger Squadron Like I hope and I hope that A1 does see this and you guys can talk it out because I think maybe it was a situation of just a different way of flying that isnt typically seen being seen as a hack because when you explained that simply you backed up on their rotation based on that description that is basically just a simple extension... an extension of an already LARGE circle but an extension none the less. I both kinda see from his point of view it does look a little weird but when you explained what you did and saw it from the pilot perspective it didnt seem like anything was off.
personally If things can get cleared up I would love to still see you join the discord and hang out. it kinda broke my heart when you said that it was sort of a way to interact and maybe even join that this happend, theres a lot of good guys in there and again I hope you would still be willing... assuming things clear up.
Yeah, we happened to log into the same server and had him as our Suspect Apprehension bounties, it was as if all the stars had aligned. We accpeted it and were like either we are going to die or win and we not about to go easy or warp.
@@Lambda-Scorpii yea man 100% like again I do hope you an A1 clear it all up and hell you even decide to join the discord still and join avenger squadron I would love to see you there and fly and train with you I know you probably wouldnt be apposed to doing that without joining but It would just make communications easier if that makes sense right, unless you also have a discord and I can pop into that too
Being a good pilot doesn't make you judge and jury. When you are supposed to be the best reference as a pilot in game and you get beaten ... just admit that your reign as fallen and move on. total loss of respect for me for Avenger. don't blame hacks when you can't keep up with better players.
Naaaaaa lmao ggs
Were just so much better than other pilots because we have 2 decades of 2 seater experience lmfao. Why even bust out this obvious lie. Even if you weren't guilty statements like that make you look guilty. Because if you are willing to lie about one thing what else would you be willing to lie about.
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Nah..just the egotistical fuckwit streamer experience..I've encountered plenty of good sports in SC pvp