LWCG vs XOP vs Lone Wolf Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Jimmy McKinney reviews 3 of the most talked about hang on stands, on the market. Lone Wolf Custom Gear, XOP, and the original Lone Wolf.
This video dives deep into the differences of the stands, including the weights of the stands, stick weights, and pros and cons. - Спорт
Great video guys. I self film and hunt public ground I’m pa too! I use a lone wolf climber stand. I’m sub 20lbs and have a much slender profile for hiking deep in. I strap my backpack to the back of the stand with my camera gear and away I go. I’m on north central PA. We have a lot of hardwoods so not hard finding good climbing trees.
We get up that way quite a bit to hunt! You'll have to join our app and checkout the events and see when we'll be up that way next!
He sold me on the LW alpha, larger stand and it comes in 2lbs heavier whooptie doo. The straps are easier to deal with the LW sticks then the custom gear’s, as they are already out on the sticks and not in a pack all tangled up. With the stick quiver on the LW it keeps the load in tight too.
Very nice review. Looking forward to more.
I think you just saved me $300. It looks like I’ll do the LW Assault 2.
Awesome! Saving money is always a great thing!
Great video Jimmy, I recently bought the xop vanish evo and the transport system, so far I love it. Unlike any setup I've ever used!
Still working on my own preferred pack in method, but I definitely learned something here to help me figure it out!
Can’t be accurate weight when you’re using the large platform XOP and lone wolf then use the small platform LWCG
Was going to say the same thing, hes using the air raid and alpha to compare against lwcg smallest platform
100% was just about to say the same
How do you like that XOP pack if you weren't concerned with having it carry your stand?
Great review!! I myself prefer the XOP but there’s some very good info here on each setup. Thank you and good luck this year! 👍🏻
I will stick to my Lone Wolf Alpha. I like how you have the sticks in a big mess. You can just bungee the original sticks laying on their side on the back of the stand with your pack. Try putting those new sticks together back on the stand in the dark.
You can get the lone wolf climbing sticks, assault stand, and stick quiver that weighs the same and cost half as much.
Yea, he compared the Alpha but the Assault is LW's lightweight stand. The LWCG stand is more in line with the LW Assault. Also, no one stacks their sticks tall off the back of the stand like that. People either lay them flat and strap them down with the straps that hold the stand to the tree, or they use stick talons or the LW stick quiver. I don't like how bulky the LWCG stand and sticks are too. Yea they may not come out far fro the back, but they're TALL and that's worse. Walk through some brush and tangles and you'll see why.
Love my new full size Novix Echo stand. The LWCG stands are just too dang tiny. Might as well just hunt from a saddle. Going back to Lone Wolf sticks....uh, Novix lol as well. Oh....and they’ll likely be coming out with a Novix more along the size of the Assault next year, which is the smallest platform I’ll hunt from.
So you mean to tell me there is only a 2lb difference from the original lone wolf which it has a much larger platform, and the sticks are longer as well... doesn’t seem worth the price difference.
You were comparing the LW Alpha II vs the LW custom gear version on the Assault II. Not apples to apples but still good info. Was also surprised about weight of LWCG sticks. I switched to saddle hunting this year and have 4 Assault’s, 2 Alpha’s and a hand climber as well as 3 sets of sticks. May all be for sale next year - lol.
Yes this is all gear that we own and unfortunately we didn't have the LW Assault II to compare with the LWCG Stand. However it still does depict what is going on with weight. We've been checking out saddle systems and depending on what you are running they are very comparable to stands in the weight department.
B Edwards I was really thinking about saddle hunting for next season kinda getting annoyed with my alpha. How do you like the saddle setup?
Jake Gilly I am really liking it. Comfort is unequaled and easier on my back. Never thought I would switch but here I am. I have an all style Trophyline.
B Edwards sweet! Really considering to switch, do you use climbing sticks to climb?
Jake Gilly , yes , I use LW sticks as that is what I had. Amsteel daisy chain and will be going with double non folding steps for next year. Also put a rope aider on each step to get extra height. I use 4 sticks and a LW hand climber seat as a platform. Trying to use what I already have to keep expenses to a minimum.
Is that Lwcg stand the 1.0?
yes it is
Nice presentation of three different stands. Question, can you nest the sticks together if you wrap the straps to them?
Been trying to find the answer to this question
Would love to see LWCG sticks vs Hunting Beast sticks.
Practical Outdoor Adventures had both sold the Lwcg mini sticks! They don’t hold a candle to beast stick! I fell 15 feet when my mini stick kick out on me! And my buddy has them too he almost fell also! He’s selling his to get the beast sticks also! They r not safe! And it takes twice as long to get them on the tree and set up!
Beast sticks 👌
The xop has the better locking system great video
Good video Jimmy, you should check out saddle hunting. Tethrd makes some great products!
Beast Climbing Sticks are only 2 pounds. No brainer on that one. The LWCG stand is probably the best stand out now, but it cost way too much. I will go with something a lot cheaper and only weigh 2-7 pounds more. If I could afford it, I would go with LWCG all day
Good video? I ordered the new LWC stand and sticks! How is the build in bow holder I have a Mathews Vertex?
I'm loving my new lone wolf custom stand. I have the shorter sticks though. When I had an issue with mine, Andre DaQuisto himself called me and apologized.... That goes a long way in my book. Customer service is number one. Anybody want to buy my XOP stand?
@@tonycoker4746 id buy it. whats the asking price?
Is that LWCG stand the .5 or the 1.0?
1.0
Cervicide!! Ha! Love the name man. Just found ya, great idea for a review.
850 for a stand and sticks?!?!?!? jesus christ. hunting is really turning into a rich mans sport. SMFH
Enjoyed the video! But why wouldn't the video segment apply to southern hunters? We video in GA too! Happy hunting and thanks for the review.
Great point, I was trying to reference the added weight of packing in bulky cold weather gear for once you get setup!
@@Cervicide1 I hunt Florida public lands and annually this week I'm heading up to Southern Indiana. There is a gigantic weight difference of crap I'm packing out in Indy verse what I'm packing out in Florida
In my searching for my first hang on setup for the fall 2020 season I found that the lightest xop setup will be 24lbs total.. would love the idea of running a lone wolf setup but I just cant bear the thought of forking over half the price of a flagship hunting bow.
What size lone wolf shirt you got on? Also how tall are you? Always between and L and XL for me...5’11” 185 lbs
That's an XL I'm 6'1" about 210
Wish I went lw assault and sticks instead of the xop vanish xt and xop sticks. Xop setup is a heavy sob , the locking system breaks easy and I have to install bolts on the sticks to make them safe to use (fixed on the new ones).
You can tell with the price range that LWCG did not make these stands for the everyday hard worker that hunts. They will need to cut that price just about in half and they would see some major sales. If not lone wolf and XOP will still blow them out of the water on sales, especially with XOP new vanish that is out that is just 3 lbs heavier than the LWCG.
So the LW assault is $500 cheaper and a pound lighter
U need to compare apples to apples. I have the LW Assault and climbing sticks. I don't stack the sticks like everyone does, I use a sling with looped ends that I use to put around all 4 sticks at once then carry it. So muck easier and faster than trying to stack the sticks together at night and the looped ends keep the sticks quiet when I walk to my stand
Lone wolf stick with dano double step lightest ever
Great review of all 3. Modding is always an option. It all just depends on what you want to go for? Weight, convenience, comfort. All up to the end-user. I love my XOP gear, but I've never tried anything else. I think you touched on all the major points. Hoping I can get some content to you for the XOP soon. I've done a few mods.
Awesome, would love to see and share the mods you have done!
They should make three sizes s,m,and l. I am 130 lbs. I don't need that super heavy duty sticks and stands
Great review, at the end of the day, it's the compact packability, quietness, utility & not so much the weight. Thank you for the comparison. It's not expensive if you get your use out of it. The best hang on run & gun stands ever designed (argumentative & just my opinion-lol) is the 7lb. old aluminum loc-on foldable stands, too bad the company is long gone.
It seems there is definitely room to improve reducing stand weight. For an out of the box setup, it's hard to beat. The price is high, but it's in a class of it's own. LWCG has raised the bar, I expect to see more companies making this new market place competitive and driving mobile hunting innovation.
the x.o.p stand has a bigger platform....so yes the stand will weigh more
Is lone wolf and lone wolf custom gear the same company?
I tried to cover this, but they are not the same. The same person founded both companies, he no longer owns Lone wolf, it's since been sold prior to LWCG launching.
Seems like if weight is your driving variable you would us LW original sticks and a saddle...
Rupert Medford weight wise, yes. But there is more to it than weight. The packability of the LWCG sticks is valued more than the lower weight of the LW sticks. As weird as it sounds, the 2 pounds heavier weight feels lighter on your back than the LW sticks.
The most expensive is not always the best. If i want to shed a few pounds on my setup, I would go saddle, and 4 beast sticks. Personally I don't believe you would not notice a 2# difference in a 5 mile walk!
Only "Northen guys" film! lol seems like a hard try to justify the price point. Also confused why you would attach straps to make the stand ride horizontal for the LW. I have one and it rides vertical....no issue. Grab a Sitka pack, the original LW and you're set! honestly, I was considering the LWCG BEFORE this video. Thanks for confirming why NOT to spend the LWCG price and get something better, lighter, for less!
Is your Lone Wolf stand the Alpha or the Assault? And is your XOP the Air Raid or the Vanish? To do a fair comparison on weight you should compare the smallest Lone Wolf and XOP to Lone Wolf custom gear as they are similar in platform size.
The LW is the Alpha and the XOP is the Vanish. The comparison isn't really apples to apples we used the stands we had purchased but shows you a comparison between the large platforms of the XOP and LW vs. the LWCG
Your comparing the wrong stands should have used the vanish and the assault
Wrong comparison.
Agreed, these are the stands I already have - I've never used the smaller platforms. Unfortunately the LWCG doesn't come in a larger platform at this time.
this will all be a moot point when the .5 hits the market. it will drive other companies to push the envelope as well.
LOL you’re having trouble in the daylight without any gear or anything getting in sticks on that stand! Had to stand and had the mini sticks and sold them !because it was a complete pain in the ass to stack them together at night and let’s be honest them sticks didn’t stick to the stand very good at all! Not to mention it take to twice as long to get everything out steps flipped around the way you want and on the tree! Put a good season in with it and tell me what your thoughts are! Waiting on dans stand now! Not to mention I fell about 15 ft when my mini stick kicked out! Never had an issue with xop, muddy, lone wolf ! In my opinion they r not safe!! U might have better luck with longer sticks though!
Do away with the cam buckle straps. Amsteel daisy chains or rope mods will help cut weight.
I rather group hunt than these over pricing by 75% it should be $399 stand plus all 4 sticks.
Pretty dang good assessment. But seriously, you need to have a yard sale.
is there really such thing as too many stands?
i use a summit titan and a 30 pound pack. 60 pounds.
summits are great comfy stands but that setup sounds heavy!!
Cervicide - DeerSlayer TV very. I don’t take it on long hunts. Wear you out quick.
For a mobile run and gun setup/going deep, I don't know why guys are still using stands. Saddle all day. No metal, less bulk, way less weight, and quicker to setup once you are at the tree.
I didn't think I would be a saddle guy for my mobile setup until I tried it...never going back.
James Marshall I am really considering saddle hunting for next season getting sick of my alpha. How do you like the saddle setup and what do you use to climb the tree? Sticks of steps
Dont feel like the saddle hunting would be that comfortable
@@jakegilly6438 I really like my saddle setup. I'm running the Tethrd Mantis and Predator platform by Tethrd. I think some of the other saddles out there may be a little more comfortable (bc they are larger), but the Mantis is only 1lb and more of a minimalist saddle. When you are walking, you cant even tell it's on. My Climbing method - Muddy Pros Climbing Sticks paired with a Black Diamond 5 step aider.
I have used a bunch of different methods for climbing. For just the ease of climbing, climbing sticks can't be beat.
I've tried a few different types of climbing sticks, even built my own. I keep going back to my muddy pros. They are the perfect length and the ease of the rope cleat is just too fast and easy for setup. I think the best climbing sticks would be Dan Infalts 'The Hunting Beast' sticks with the rope cleat added on.
I liked the packability of the Wild Edge Steps, but they didn't work well on all trees, I felt like I couldn't always get them perfectly rock solid and they were slow to setup.
@@austinsprik6295 That's exactly what I thought, and why I waited so long to make the switch.
@@jamesmarshall5794 but now you can sit a couple hours in it and it's comfortable. Takes 15 minutes to setup? Seems like they would be great with trees with alot of limbs but not ideal for big bare trees. Also I really hate putting up and taking down sticks at every sit.
2lbs not worth the extra money
LW = Apple fanboys.
You've never even used the lw custom.....still have original rubber bands on the straps lol use it for a year then do the review
It's been a year, we will do another review soon!
wow you can really tell this wasn't a biased review (insert eye roll).... Why don't you talk more in depth about cost vs features you get and the negatives of each stand. The LWCG you have a hard on for has a lot more issues than you think. Especially for what it costs. If you weren't aware, that Lonewolf can give you your beloved "shelf" if you flipped the seat over and hooked it with a piece of paracord. If you were honest, you should have said you can achieve the exact same thing as the "ground breaking" LWCG with a few simple mods to the other 2 stands and save yourself a lot of money. It also might help if you compare the same size stands instead of the two larger model stands that Lonewolf and XOP make instead of the 2 smaller models that are similar size to the LWCG.
Hey Skylar, you make some great points. I still stand by my statement, that if you're solely basing your decision on money XOP is hard to beat.
The purpose of review was to educate people on the differences of the stands, you make a great point that there are smaller stand options out there by both XOP and Lone Wolf more comparable to LWCG size.
I personally bought all the stands in the video, and have never used the smaller platforms, therefore didn't have them to use in video. This surely would affect the overall weight.
We intend to do additional videos, modifications and in the field performance are two great topics. Just because you can modify a stand to get more performance isn't different than modifying a truck. It may seem like everyone does it, but this isn't the truth.
For me the compact, streamlined features of the LWCG setup was all I needed to make the purchase. Ultimately, the choice of stand is yours. For the average hunter that choice is not any of the 3 in this video. Happy hunting -Jimmy.
You don’t have to be so damn harsh dude. He is trying to help folks out that are wanting a comparison. No harm in that even if he has a favorite - so what.
He sold me on the LW alpha, larger stand and it comes in 2lbs heavier whooptie doo. The straps are easier to deal with the LW sticks then the custom gear’s, as they are already out on the sticks and not in a pack all tangled up. With the stick quiver on the LW it keeps the load in tight too. I thought the same thing when I seen the t-shirt too lol
Keep paying that money for the ripped off LWCG and the stand platform smaller on CG!!!!