Best Climbing Stick Attachment Method
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2019
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The standard cam buckle straps that come with climbing sticks work totally fine, but there are better options in my opinion for mobile, run-and-gun hunters. I've done videos on the rope mod before, but now there are newer options to discuss as well. In particular, the Versa Lite strap and amsteel daisy chain both offer quicker and easier attachment than a typical rope mod. From a weight perspective, the amsteel daisy chain is the clear winner at less than an ounce, but all methods have some pros and cons that I discuss in the video. - Спорт
Love those versa lite straps. You should make a new climbing setup video. One where it shows how you setup in the tree with your saddle setup from start to finish.
Great comparison video. I too made my own 7/64 a steel daisy chain and love it. I braid them while watching a ball game or something and it goes fairly quick. I personally chose orange as it helps me spot my tree in the dark in the am. I don’t find that it makes any difference to the deer. Thanks again. Have a great season.
Excellent video and timing. My friend and I are buying material and were undecided on buying webbing or Amsteel for a daisy chain. Thanks!
I just wanted to reach out and say thank you very much for the information you provide you truly have I believe saved many Hunters lives
Great video. Of all the people on UA-cam your one of the best at explaining the topic.
Good video. Thanks for the shout out. Glad you could learn something from me. Lol
Great stuff man! Amsteel is what I’m going to try for sure. My 8mm static is kind of bulky
Great video.. I just posted one also comparing the cam, rope mod and versa strap.. I’m going to have to also look into the Amsteel .. thanks for posting .. I may need to get more detailed on my posts...I’m new to posting ... lol.. trying to build that channel.. thanks for the info u give us all
I really like your videos: clear explanations, straight to the point. Thanks a lot. I'm curious as to why you prefer the shorter (20-inch) climbing sticks. I guess it's to get around branches and stuff, and also maybe they are easier to carry. But don't they limit how high you can get, unless you want to carry a lot of them?
I prefer the 24" sticks because it's about the longest step spacing I can do comfortably. I use amsteel aiders to get extra height. 3 sticks will get me to 20-24' at the top of the 3rd stick.
outstanding video. Regarding the daisy chain amsteel, do you find it hard to swing it around a large tree? I've found the buckle on the original straps very handy when swinging straps around exceptionally large diameter trees. thanks for these videos.
I’m using 7/64 Amsteel this year but instead of daisy chain I’ve made them into Woopie Slings. I have not climbed up into a tree with them yet, but the one I did wrap around the a tree seemed to hold just fine. (I also added 5 beads to give me something to through around the tree) getting down I’d my concerns and relieving the bite.
Awesome mod. Wish i found this out 10 yrs ago. Anything to cut weight and noise on my pack.
I used the versa straps on my beast sticks and predator platform. I didn't like how hard it was to open loops to put them on versa buttons. Then if you got them on tight was a pain trying get them off. I'm going with the amsteel rope mods.
Yea I'm basically using the amsteel rope mod for everything now, even my predator platform.
Great video as always. Do you know of anyone using the cam cleat system on an actual lock? I’m considering adding cleats to my lone wolf to get rid of the buckles.
I got a set of hawk sticks that came with daisy chains and I found myself struggling constantly using them. Every other tree would have the strap falling between loops. Had the steps kick out on me twice. Admittedly I'm far from graceful climbing a tree. I ended up replacing the daisy chains with cam straps since I'm more familiar with them and can't get them as tight as I'd like. Eventually I will look into the rope mod. Figured I'd give my experience using daisy chains.
You can pivot the stick to get the button to the closer loop, or you can run the webbing around the button through the loop then to the button.
Amazing info... now which one attracts the deer???
Awesome video Garrett! Any future videos on climbing sticks? I know they keep coming out with newer and lighter ones (hunting beast) just curious if you're going to cover this topic?
Cheers 🇨🇦 🏹 🦌
Yea, the next time Beast sticks are available I'll try and pick some up, as well as the LWCG to do videos and comparisons. I know there are a few other groups trying to enter the premium climbing stick space as well.
Another well done video, great job. So have you settled on your favorite option. I'm thinking I'm going to the versa lite.
I think the jury is still out. I'll continue using the amsteel and versa lites to see what I like the best I think.
This
is my question what do you do when the trees have ice on them. This does not
happen that often but I would like to get some opinions on what would you do. I
currently use a climbing tree stand (I either us the seat as a
climbing aid or wrap my arms around the tree and bear hug it to climb up.
Important note I never used climbing sticks before). In the past when I hunted
in those types of situations, if felt kind of dangerous and I slid down the
tree a little bit when climbing down. To me it would appear to be more
dangerous using a tree saddle because you using ropes. I Do plan buying tree
saddle in the near future so I am pro tree saddle. Please respond back to me
thanks
Any thoughts on G2's NADIR climbing method, or variations thereof ? Worth a video/trial ?
bought my sticks used and they came with the rope mod. I think i am the only guy who upgraded to the "cam strap mod". I don't care about saving ounces, and with the cams you can get the stick tight on crooked trees.
Is there a video or tutorial for the versa button mod? Or at least a parts list? I am just curious if you use the same bolt as what came with the LW stick and what size washer. Thanks brother!
Hey Garrett, I'm planning on using the DRT method but want 2 modify from the Predator strap 2. I'm going 2 make a tool 2 splice with out of old aluminum arrows. Which side shaft would work best on Amsteel, I have alot of shaft diameters 2 choose from?
My helium sticks came with those cam buckles, and they are definitely coming off. I am in the process of choosing a new method. Regular ropes are a no for the reason of unnecessary weight. But, a “rope mod” with Amsteel looks like a nice option. The versa strap seems like a better option in terms of a daisy chain. I like the adjustability of twisting the webbing if you fall between loops, I think if you twisted a daisy chain made out of Amsteel it would have less adjustment. Any insight on Amsteel whoopie slings to connect a stick to a tree?
I had tried something similar by trying an amsteel whoopie sling on a DIY saddle platform a while back. It was a little challenging to get perfectly tight. I found the amsteel "rope mod" to be the easiest to get really tight prior to putting weight on the stick.
Amsteel is meant for a straight line pull, stronger than wire cable , but as soon as it is in an abrasion environment, it will wear out quick. Even dirt and grit from bark will abrade it inside, meant to say this in my 1st comment, Haha!
In the past you have said that rope loses strength at knots, does the 7/64 amsteel lose strength each daisy loop? Im wondering if what the weight rating of 7/64 amsteel is after all them loops are put in.
Do you have a link for the 1/4” Amsteel?
Love the videos! Keep up the good work!
dutchwaregear.com/product/1-4-amsteel-blue/
Great information.
Question; is that a very odd looking "spike" with brow tines up on the shelf behind you?
Diffidentone k
Great video! Thanks for the tips and advice!
How do you like the HRC? I have some I ordered (waiting on delivery) to use as a Michoacán prusik for when I start one-sticking
Would 6 feet be a decent length for Amsteel mod on trees? Where do you get or how do you alternative buttons?
Good stuff! I'm just getting into saddle hunting and gathering gear for it. Lots of good info between you and Nate Sellers! Thanks for the great content!
Do you prefer multi stick climbing or one stick?
I prefer multiple sticks to a single stick for ease of use in a wide variety of non-ideal climbing scenarios.
@@DIYSportsman So you would suggest multiple sticks for a newbie? I've never hunted out of a tree before in the 25+ years I've been hunting and only used a blind for turkeys. Maybe that why I haven't been super successful. I just started bow hunting 2 years ago.
@@stick__shooter Yes, I'd recommend using multiple sticks.
Went to Dutchware they have 3/16th and 5/16th amsteel. You stated you are using 1/4 in with a 3/8th versa button. Is it true 1/4th or are you using one of the other sizes? Thanks for your helpful videos.
I used 1/4" from LFS marine for that size.
Another great video. I’ve been looking to extend the length of my straps and this would be a great way to do it. With the Amstel, I was looking to use the 3/8. Do you feel that would be safe to replace the hang on straps on the stand as well?
It's strong enough. I haven't tried it myself. The only thing to make sure of first would be if the seat wants to pull away from the tree of theres too much okay in the setup.
I should have been more specific. What I meant about safe is whether the “cam lock” technique is strong/safe enough for a seat. I guess maybe adding a half hitch to lock it in would be sufficient.
Gotcha. Yea I wouldn't see it slipping with a couple half hitches in there for security.
Did you not hunt with the rk1 this past season?
Btw, good info on this video
I did in early season, but switched to the compound after that for the most part: ua-cam.com/video/6XDUnzmt0Sk/v-deo.html
Hi. För that smaller amsteel daisy chain, If you make a whoopee sling loop in the first end of the rope you should be able to adjust it a little bit better don't you think?
You can use a whoopie sling. My experience with them (or UCRs for that matter) is that they end up taking longer to adjust than even the standard rope mod hitch and take two hands to adjust and then milk the cover back tight. And occasionally theyd slip a tiny bit before locking. So I like the daisy chain better personally for this application.
DIY Sportsman hi. I ment to keep the daisy and have a woopie at the other end. Im swedish so sometimes its hard to get things down i writing 😂
Any idea what the dimension of the spacer should be for the 8mm accessory cord? I purchased three xop steel fast strap buttons and am wondering if I'm going to have to file down the spacer a bit for 8mm cord to work. (Dont know if the gap is exactly the same as the lone wolf button)
The gap on the lone wolf buttons is about 1/2" and also flared out slightly. I believe I've seen guys using the same accessory cord with XOP buttons but havent tried it personally.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Since you've done in it in the past for LW sticks, what size diameter Amsteel rope works best for those versa buttons? Also instead of splicing can you just overhead knot it like you did with the 8mm rope?
I've never done it for Lone Wolf sticks but have heard 3/8" works well for those buttons. I also wouldn't recommend knotting the amsteel. It's much stronger and less bulky spliced, and very easy to splice with items you probably already have laying around your house.
What do you think the longevity of the built in shock cord will be on the versa straps?
They should last quite a while, but the good thing is, if it wears out or breaks you can tie a new piece in. It's pretty easy to buy shock cord by the foot.
Great video Garrett just what I have been looking for. What length Versa strap are you using for the sticks. 6or 8 foot?
Carl sells both sizes
I have the 6 foot
DIY Sportsman are the Versa straps still being made?
As you are dumping your used straps for your sticks, how 'bout sending 5 of them my way? I'm modding my 20' climbing stick ladder with "versa buttons"! P.S.: It's really easy to add an elastic loop onto the end of your Amsteel ropes!
Where do you get the amsteel rope? What size do you use?
You can cinch the Versalink tight. Run the rage end back through one of the loops. Pull tight and wrap around the button. Then half hitch.
What have you found to be an efficient way to secure these straps while packing in and out?
I have the same question..
I use a different stand and sticks but I use ROK straps. They keep everything tight.
Think you could wrap the amsteel daisy chain around the stick 1st if it falls in between loops? Or wouldn't make that big of a difference?
Yes you can wrap it around under the button the first time. Then you also have less excess dangling.
Have you seen any comparisons of 1/4 Dyneema winch rope vs. 1/4 Amsteel for securing climbing sticks? You can't put a price on safety, but I like to save money where it's logical. Just curious. Thanks.
Amsteel from Samsom is 100% dyneema fiber. So the question is more or less whether you trust that whoever the other manufacturer is uses the material they say they do and uses good manufacting practices. But I haven't seen any side by side data.
I'm 3 years late but if you use tablecloth weights that you can clip on the end of your rope to swing around the tree it makes it much easier!
Any thought about using an amsteel whoopie sling? That's what I use for hammocks and it works great.
When I've tried whoopie slings, they've tended to require more time and fiddling than the standard cinch of the rope mod. Some guys have used ucr's too, which I think are easier to adjust for this application.
@@DIYSportsman thanks man. I'll be making the rope mod then.
I had this very thought and made some and found it to be a pain to tighten. But I now use them for m hammock and love them for that!
I like the daisy chain straps. You still use the buckle cam for your stand/ platform ?
For a hang-on stand I do yes. Those other methods do work, but it's more likely to have the top bracket pull away. With a saddle platform the non-stretch options like the amsteel daisy chain and tethrd versa strap work well. They are just a little more challenging to initially fit over the bottom and can slide a little further during the cam over if between loops.
DIY Sportsman thank you. You put out great videos man thank you! You have Instagram? I’m @thebluecollarbowhunter
The original Lone Wolf stands came with a whoopie sling. What would be better than that?
When I've tried whoopie slings in the past they tended to be a little fiddly. UCRs were a bit easier than whoopies for me, though neither was as easy as the single rope looped around the button.
Garrett - What about your Predator platform? Did you change out the strap there as well?
Yes I did. I used the larger Versa strap for that one.
@@DIYSportsman
Do you feel it is less sturdy with the versa strap? I saw a video of someone that used it with the platform and it didn't look solid.
I am buying lone wolf sticks and I want to go with a steel but I’m nervous cause I don’t know how to make them or what size and how to do knots. Any ideas
With the stock lone wolf buttons, 1/4" kind of works but is a little small. 3/8" would likely work better. The loop is created by a locked brummel. There are quite a few UA-cam tutorials on those.
Would you say that the same mod ( amsteel rope daisy chain ) could be used for lone wolf stand too?
I like being able to fully tighten down the strap horizontally around the tree before camming the platform down, but you wouldnt have quite that same ability with the daisy chain and would generally end up with more sag.
The original Lone Wolf treestand came with a whoopie sling instead of strap.
Great video, where do you the versa strap's and how much do they cost? Very interested in these
Mike Feaster the fellows name is Karl Kussouth
@@johnkastner2851 thank you sir
Mike Feaster sorry it’s kossuth, are you on saddle hunter.com or the saddle hunter fb page , you can fine him on the versa/Versa lite thread
saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/versa-versa-lite-strap.10961/page-13#post-182910
Very helpful. Thank you.
Awesome. Easy to make!
Awesome. But as a professional arborist who climbs strictly SRT
Amsteel is terrible for abrasion resistance, a jacketed accessory rope is far safer.
Cheers dude 🤙🇨🇦
Have you tried a whoopie sling with the Amsteel for your sticks? Just curious... Hunt safely, my Friends!
Briefly, and it seemed more fiddly to get it adjusted right vs some of the other options.
How did you make that aider out of the daisy chain webbing?
If you look up a locked brummel for amsteel, it's basically the same concept. It's just that instead of running the amsteel tag ends through little tiny holes, you're running the tag ends of the webbing through existing larger holes.
If you don't land on a loop.....couldn't you twist the daisy chain, like you would a bow string, to shorten it, or take up the slack?
You can but it takes a while.
DIY Sportsman
Oh yah, in world that operates at high rates of speed.
I forgot.
Thanks for sharing what you know.
It really is very helpful, and helps eliminate us spinning our wheels and wasting steps.
You are "The Trials Guy!"
We Thank you!
Christ Bless!
Great explanation s thanks
Great video! How much are the versa lite straps?
$25 for six footer. $30 for eight footer.
The straps are great and work well with pivot platforms like the predator.
Shawn are you the guy that makes the straps? I’m looking to buy 4!
@@mikehunter4222 no. you need to reach out to Carl Kossuth. ckossuth on the saddle hunter forum. he is also on facebook.
check out doublesteps.com they have them for $6 to $7
What sticks are those?
Is that same as winch rope
Could you do the same daisy chain with 550 cord as you did with the amsteal?
Theres a really big difference between 550 cord and amsteel in both strength and stretch. I dont think paracord would be a great option for this.
@@DIYSportsman I was thinking about doubling it over and just throwing in overhand knots but you are probably right. Thanks
What is the rope on the end of your sticks for?and what size is it?
It's a small loop of tent guyline that I use to hang the sticks from my harness so I can get up the tree in one trip.
@@DIYSportsman ok thank you sir. Going to get me some.
Good information
What sticks are you using with this demo?
They are the ones I built and did a video on.
garrett, why can't you just knot the amsteel daisy chain at each increment rather than splicing it there?
Knots don't hold as well in amsteel and the sharp bends reduce the strength.
is 550 paracord less ideal but still feasible?
I wouldn't use 550 cord. It isn't as strong amd stretches more.
Thank you
Mule tape is the ticket. 3/4" polyester mule tape has a 2500 pound breaking strength and is dirt cheap. The only draw back is that it's only available in white but the deer don't care.
Can u dye the rope Brown?
Dynema doesn't take dies very well.
If 1/8" amsteel is expensive and has a 2500lb tinsel strength why double it to make a daisy chain? Wouldn't you just be able to tie it around the button in the same fashion like normal rope? You would have more adjustment, not have to spend 45 mins to splice each one and spend half the money on material.
You would have to use a really short spacer for the versa button. Probably around 3/16 long. But it could work. I havent tried it. For a regular rope mod though the 1/4" works nice because it's easier to handle and toss around the tree, spreads the load across a little larger surface of the tree and stick, and gives the huge strength safety factor.
"Hunter friendly colors"? I am a surveyor and find it very annoying when dear eat my pink flagging off the control and property corners.
If you want a little weight to throw it around the tree put a lead fishing sinker inside the rope on the end
What kind of sticks are those?
ua-cam.com/video/sYGfZCRwVd8/v-deo.html
Where are you getting black amsteel
I ordered mine from Dutchware gear.
@@DIYSportsman thanks brother , I posted another question on your saddle modifications as well
I got mine from www.seamar.com
@@jamesmarsee3297 thank you
When you were tying the first not on stick why would you change the camera angle?? That make no sense. You changed the angle to the opposite side. Anyway ty for video.
Do a vid of packing your climber n sticks please.
If amsteel sticks to itself so good can you not just tie a loop knot in the end of it instead of splicing a loop
Rei isn't very hunting or second amendment friendly regardless of the rope color ;)
I'm used to a treestand but I'm 56 now and I hunt deep so I've got to get rid of some weight carrying the sticks I also like to hunt High I can shorten it up some I'm really more bowhunting now but I still like to go high when I do use my rifle how many sticks would you recommend to carry I would like to be 30 feet up would you go with a two-step stick and then use that portable heater or would you go with a three-step stick you can email me at deerslayer 72 F100 @gmail.
I appreciate the innovation, but, I don't understand the need for it. I've used climber sticks for decades and have none of these problems. I assume you're using a lineman's harness or some saddle while you're putting them up. Simply use the rope or strap of your choice with a trucker's hitch. It cinches up perfectly without fumbling with loops, detaches easily and knots slip apart without effort.
I use truckers hitches pretty often with paracord on my trail cameras. They work great for that. Some of these types of improvements aren't needed to be effective, but they attempt to push continual improvement. Some guys like how quick and easy the daisy chain is. Others like the weight of a cam buckle for swinging around big trees. Others like you tight you can sinch an amsteel rope mod around a button, similar to truckers hitch in tension but without the extra loop to tie. It's all personal preference.
@@DIYSportsman Yeah, I get that. Different strokes. I'm waiting for someone to come up with strap system similar to snowshoe harnesses.