They do. This just means that all sniper rifles are on the same playing field in terms of bullet drop regardless of faction. The only exception being the Phaseshift VX-S on the Vanu.
@@natetronic7566 They actually do have bullet drop. all bolt action sniper rifle have bullet drop, Parsec and Parallax just has far less noticable bullet drop owning to their higher muzzle velocity. and it wouldn't make sense for Parallas to not have bullet drop as it is otherwise entirely statistically identical to EM4 Longshot (NC) and RAMS .50M (TR), while all VS rifles that don't have bullet drop, loses some muzzle velocity in order to justified. The only sniper rifles that don't have bullet drop is VS semi-autos, i.e. VA39 Spectre, Phantom VA23, and Phaseshift VX-S in its both firing mode.
@@natetronic7566 Those have bullet drop. The only bolt action that does not have bullet drop is the one I have mentioned already - the Phaseshift VX-S. The Phaseshift also does not one-shot kill at ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied in a meaningful way.
I always felt like this was a thing after trying the other factions (VS main), but it's cool to see evidence of it in your video. Thanks for putting this together!
I once had a fight with a enemy sniper over nearly a kilometer between two bases on amerish. We were both noobs so he was sitting still and I had to aim over the fourth or fifth tick on the crosshair and the nc boltdriver didn‘t even onehit headshotted him at this range. Bu he was a noob and keept camping so I scored perhaps one of the longest kills in the game.
Could it be argued that the lack of bullet drop might make suppressors (combined with SPA) more effective? (Though admittedly leading your shots on a moving target is arguably the bigger factor when it comes to hitting moving targets.) Also a strange thing, in my memory I recall using the RAMS .50 at much greater ranges in the distant past, with them bringing down the 1HK ranges and infantry render distances at some point; but that might partially be me misremembering things.
rams .50 is able to headshot people on its 2nd or 3rd dot at about 400m which is render distance for infantry, and one shot them at that range too, suppressors are only effective on a few select guns, namely the recently changed directive smg's (shuriken and tempest for example) having access to hybrid suppressors, and the guns that do well with a suppressor tend to be guns that already have great velocity, like the soas/stalker/artemis, or the bull, or gauss saw
@@Alliegator93 You can set render distance for Vehicles and Infantry in the sysfile. In PS1 we could not and at around 1000m, using a bolt driver was more about memory than anything else. Remember where enemies are across a river and when they see you blink out of draw distance they think they're safe, so they don't move once out of distance on their client. MwHaha.
I've done some sniping at >300m, it's obviously not all that effective but people tend to get real upset when you keep nailing them from the next base over and it's a nice relaxing coping strategy if you're getting zerged or otherwise farmed.
There's only one weapon I think actually benefits from the "no bullet drop" meme BS, and that's the Obelisk. It's a great weapon, but if we're just talking about faction balance, I'm sure any VS would gladly trade their Obelisk for a Striker or a Banshee or a Cyclone or a Trawler or a (etc etc)
@@ZoKKeRFreAK the highest velocity projectile iirc is the railjack at 750 m/s. IRL m4 has 880 m/s, ak-74 has 900, g36 has 920. These are all standard (at this point aged) assault rifles. the railjack is supposed to be the newest, baddest, hardest hitting, experimental electromagnet technology incorporating, top of the shelf, ultra long range, futuristic, scifi magic writing all over itself, boundaries pushing, no compromise, ridiculous even for it's setting raw power sniper rifle. and it falls more than 100 m/s short of today's aging *assault* rifles. it is absolutely stupid and borderline immersion-breaking
Bullet drop kicks in as an important factor at the 200+ meter ranges. It's also usually raised specifically around sniper rifles. When running sniper rifles, factoring bullet travel time, and drop is one more extra factor than just factoring in travel time. For long range snipers bullet drop matters a lot. So yes, the premise that bullet drop doesn't matter in short range and medium range engagements is kind of moot to begin with. No one should be complaining about bullet drop at those ranges. Long range snipe fests are where you will feel it the most because ranges of 200+ meters become quite common.
I'm not denying that there is bullet drop at those ranges. I am saying that at those ranges you are being an ineffective team player because of how non-impactful of a player you are being trying to snipe at people that are at those ranges, therefore you should not be fighting at those ranges. This means there is no reason you should be having to worry about bullet drop unless you are intentionally making yourself ineffective as player.
@@Dudisfludis 1- Thank you for responding I honestly wasn't expecting that. Always love watching your content. 2- unfortunately, long range battles do happen, and in somewhat open spaces or on long approaches to bases, there isn't much you can do about the distance when there is a lack of cover to allow you to approach safely. Your choices are to either redeploy, hide and not return fire, or try to lay down fire. Trying to approach willy nilly will get you killed. 3- A point that I think could have been emphasized more is the simple fact that the VS have literally 3 Sniper rifles that don't have bullet drop. All the others have it.
@@iraqiwalker1436 2: They might happen, but not often (never been in a real +200m battle, maybe got sniped here and there but not really a battle). And considering the breathing-sway already @200m I would argue that the few pixels of bulletdrop are neglectable. 3: BUUUT 2 out of the 3 are non-bolt actions and therefore not effective at these ranges anyway and the 3rd(phaseshift with bolt modi) also doesn't 1-hit hs at ranges beyond noticeable bulletdrop
@@thephilmon8499 If you hold the shift key you stop the breathing sway for several seconds to simulate holding your breath. And yes, the point I was trying to make is that people that complain about lack of bullet drop on VS sniper rifles aren't being killed by the ones that don't have it.
Scopes are scams, just use /fp_fov # and you can get arbitrary magnification. (though it does magnify(not sure this is the "right" word) mouse sensitivity while active) (Scopes are not just scams, fp_fov does require opening chat and this takes away control however briefly. So not ideal for close quarters, but if you are somewhere you can stare down a 12x, might as well ditch the sway and use a 4x and make up the difference, or more, with fp_fov) Also at those ranges you are attacking player sanity/morale, in my personal experience being on the receiving end. Now if that should be a valid target is a different discussion I can say I have had a number of shots that looked like I predicted the head location right, but failed to dome because I clicked future head position rather than above it. For a less anecdotal statement, Mathematical balance matters little if it doesn't /Feel/ balanced to one or more involved sides. You could have a theoretical FPS where, all else mechanically identical, one side had a 1 damage gun and the other side had a 100 damage gun. If both sides miraculously /felt/ equally powered, it is, in that time and with those people, balanced. My understanding is that some guns can /feel/ better and more powerful (or the reverse) depending on sound design, such that a mechanically better gun /feels/ less effective than the mechanically worse one with better sounds/visuals.
Gun "feel" on firing had always been mostly about the SFX. You may be on to something there, I played Quake Team Fortress and QII weapons factory mods for over a decade, Sniper class never had zoom. You just shot for the actual one pixel that was the head hit box at range. I used to play with FoV 115 and it was manageable but FoV is not magnification per se. Also scopes are what, 50 certs lol? And last but not least, the TR Dragoon battle rifle. Heavy alpha, no damage falloff. And with that thing I've literally held off the target so much it was off scope. VS Has always been the "seems awesome, really tho needs a buff" since Planetside 1 which I was a vet for many years. PS2 they made some of the weapons including a Sniper rifle or two -Not Consume Ammo-, and that's going too far. If I'm the last Infil to spawn on a router up in a tree or something before it gets destroyed, without an engy up there I'll be out of ammo and have to rotate out from that treetop. This is why you often see Vanu infils way up in trees or other spots only a bailout will get you.
Also FoV actually shouldn't be increasing zoom or mouse sens at all. Since normal is 90, how high are you setting it that it's becoming a problem? At fov 100, you have 10 degrees X and Y extra to traverse, but field of view has a set time at say 1.0 sens that it takes the player to freelook/aim 360 degrees. Also I would say try FoV hikes, at around 115-125 the fisheye lens effect gets really nutty but your target should be nice and cartoonishly prominent, also anything not at your target's range and heading will be smaller so for me FoV was always about target's standing out and other TOI's all getting minned until aimed at.
@@pointmansf So changing the FoV may not be changing sensitivity, but when go from seeing in a 100 degree cone to a 10 degree cone, one degree of rotation feels like a lot more. my normal FoV is 100, my two goto 'zoom' FoVs are 30 and 10. I would preferably have my sensitivity be a percent of my vision cone such that if I see something on the side of my screen it is always the same amount of mouse movement to look at it, regardless of how many degrees. Yea it really isn't about the cost of scopes, but some weapons don't get big ones (or any) and scopes over 4x add sway. Though I disagree about FoV not being zoom, at least in terms of what I want out of a scope. Making the target more pixels on my screen
@@pointmansf if you know you're gonna be tree top sniping you can just throw on ammo belt and ammo printer. Unless you're just plinking non stop and not taking smart shots you should be just fine on ammo. I do it fairly regularly with Light Assault and heavy crossbow / blackhand
I use saron to disturb enemy camping/siege tank. Because they are standing still and my saron don't have bullet drop my shot always hit, while they have bullet drop it take 2-3 shot to accurately hit my location. It never kill enemy tank, but it's enough to stop them shelling out base.
Sniping in general is super low impact so even if Vanu snipers were better, honestly it would probably have a detrimental effect because people would be encouraged to snipe more.
@@retteketette yah it was basically a battle rifle. The projectile velocity made it pretty much impossible to hit things at that range though, unless of course you're a sniper that's just sitting in one spot the whole time. In which case, someone could kill you with something like the blackhand.
im ps1 VS4 life & its ok we no wee r getting shafted its bin like that forever/beemer/thresher/ lol i think we like playing the underpowered dog because r true strength is r sexapeal & IQ & the devs cant nerf smart & cant fix stupid lol .but i do agree the bullet drop things is kinda useless especially for me because i like the CQC fighting. if 1 was devs id give the VS all the stuff the TR/NC dont got like faster reloads faster projectiles super accurate less kickback better handling more cray cray ammo types unstable/heat/armor piercing/DOT AOE/lash make the projectiles feel more like lasers and less like bullets..i dont think the devs even played planetside1 & tryed to make it more like a lobby shooter AKA battlefield/call of duty clone & dropped the ball on a grate many things:(
The issue comes into play with the dmr/semi auto snipers like the obelisk. It lets you shoot through small gaps as if its a point and click game. You also only compared TR to vanu, NC tend to have some very slow velocities. I've noticed drop early on nc weapons. Bullet velocity determines the drop.
I literally addressed this issue directly in the video. The obelisk does not have bullet drop, this is true. You're ignoring the point in the video that, even though something like the obelisk does not have bullet drop, it is not effective at ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied purely due to how many bullets are missed because of bullet travel time. Also it is semi-auto which means you have to hit multiple shots on the same target to get a kill unless that target is somehow otherwise damaged from something else and you land a lucky headshot. This just means you will be even more inaccurate purely due to how many bullets you need to fire to get kills at those ranges considering how many you're already missing. To your point of NC having slower velocities, all 3 battle rifles (Dragoon, Obelisk, Bishop) have the same velocity, so that point isn't relevant when you're talking about those battle rifles.
Please don't refer to anything as a PUBG or Warzone copyright/patent-safe weapon like "DMR" when you really mean apparently high Alpha damage and projectile velocity. It makes for a hard time understanding what you BR fps people are talking about. Also for future reference "point and click" weapons or physics engines on other fps' that enable instant-hit minus only your input lag, the industry term is "Hitscan".
The "no bullet drop" thing is obviously not an issue at close range. You're also shooting stationary targets... that's not a good way to test this at all. The issue is with weapons like the obelisk that can be spammed from like 300 meters with no need to find the right tick mark to compensate for bullet drop. I partially agree with the "being ineffective at this range" comment - EXCEPT when using something like an obelisk, because you can spam that out to render range with zero consequences and still consistently farm kills. You completely avoided demonstrating the effectiveness of a VS weapon with no bullet beyond 200 meters, probably because that would have exposed the lack of logic in your statement.
Ok, so there's a few things to unpack here. 1) Shooting at stationary targets for a demonstration is a lot better at showing the actual drop of a bullet rather than trying to pick it apart in a live situation because it is controlled with no variation. Again, the demonstration was just about the distance at which bullet drop actually effects the bullets. 2) The "issue" with the obelisk has already been addressed, and you clearly did not watch the video. At ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied, you are already ineffective as a player considering how many shots you need to kill someone with any battle rifle. 3) Again, the term that you have used, "spamming", is appropriate considering how many shots someone will miss out at those ranges so thank you for indirectly agreeing with me here that a person doing this is ineffective even though you thought this was a point against my video. 4) I did not avoid demonstrating the VS weapons because there was no demonstration to be had when we are talking about bullet drop. 5) "That would have exposed the lack of logic in your statement." Ok, so given that you did not watch the video, or just didn't understand it at all, let me try to understand your "logic." You say that the Obelisk can be "spammed" out at these ranges, ignoring that every other battle rifle and semi-auto sniper rifle is spammed at these ranges as well. However, you lack the logic to see that this is just the point that I have already made in the video that, at these absurdly long ranges, you will need to inevitably "spam" rounds to hit and kill targets no matter what battle rifle or sniper rifle you're using on any faction. Another side note to add is that even if you do want to snipe at those ranges, for some stupid reason or another, once you know how much your bullet drops you then do not need to guess after every single shot how much drop you have. Therefore, you automatically compensate for the bullet drop anyway which means you are shooting without bullet drop effecting your shots in any way which means, according to you, "you can spam that out to render range with zero consequences and still consistently farm kills." Apparently your "logic" is taking what I have already said, repeating it, and acting like it is somehow a point against me meanwhile explaining exactly what I said in the video which is, again, that at these ranges it does not matter if you have to compensate for bullet drop or not, you are just being completely ineffective and barely doing anything to impact a fight. Let alone help your team in any way. Thank you for being one of the people I made this video for and still missing the point of it.
@@belofost The Phaseshift literally does not one-shot past sniper rifle bullet drop ranges. You can test this in VR Training for goodness sake. It is not a useful weapon at all compared to a normal BASR. So let me reiterate, it is just as ineffective as the other snipers at those ranges but even more so because it cannot one-shot targets.
Also in regards to bolt action snipers, the Vanu ones have bullet drop too.
They do. This just means that all sniper rifles are on the same playing field in terms of bullet drop regardless of faction. The only exception being the Phaseshift VX-S on the Vanu.
@@Dudisfludis Parsec and Paralax dont have bullet drop as well
@@natetronic7566 ??
@@natetronic7566 They actually do have bullet drop. all bolt action sniper rifle have bullet drop, Parsec and Parallax just has far less noticable bullet drop owning to their higher muzzle velocity.
and it wouldn't make sense for Parallas to not have bullet drop as it is otherwise entirely statistically identical to EM4 Longshot (NC) and RAMS .50M (TR), while all VS rifles that don't have bullet drop, loses some muzzle velocity in order to justified.
The only sniper rifles that don't have bullet drop is VS semi-autos, i.e. VA39 Spectre, Phantom VA23, and Phaseshift VX-S in its both firing mode.
@@natetronic7566 Those have bullet drop. The only bolt action that does not have bullet drop is the one I have mentioned already - the Phaseshift VX-S. The Phaseshift also does not one-shot kill at ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied in a meaningful way.
I always felt like this was a thing after trying the other factions (VS main), but it's cool to see evidence of it in your video. Thanks for putting this together!
If drop matters, you’re beyond damage-ineffective range, and if you are a vanu player, you can replace “bullet drop” with “cof bloom and lead”
Can’t believe there’s ppl who think VS is overpowered
Nicely put together video Dudis, actually pleasant to listen to. 👂 👍
I once had a fight with a enemy sniper over nearly a kilometer between two bases on amerish. We were both noobs so he was sitting still and I had to aim over the fourth or fifth tick on the crosshair and the nc boltdriver didn‘t even onehit headshotted him at this range. Bu he was a noob and keept camping so I scored perhaps one of the longest kills in the game.
Could it be argued that the lack of bullet drop might make suppressors (combined with SPA) more effective? (Though admittedly leading your shots on a moving target is arguably the bigger factor when it comes to hitting moving targets.)
Also a strange thing, in my memory I recall using the RAMS .50 at much greater ranges in the distant past, with them bringing down the 1HK ranges and infantry render distances at some point; but that might partially be me misremembering things.
rams .50 is able to headshot people on its 2nd or 3rd dot at about 400m which is render distance for infantry, and one shot them at that range too, suppressors are only effective on a few select guns, namely the recently changed directive smg's (shuriken and tempest for example) having access to hybrid suppressors, and the guns that do well with a suppressor tend to be guns that already have great velocity, like the soas/stalker/artemis, or the bull, or gauss saw
@@Alliegator93 You can set render distance for Vehicles and Infantry in the sysfile. In PS1 we could not and at around 1000m, using a bolt driver was more about memory than anything else. Remember where enemies are across a river and when they see you blink out of draw distance they think they're safe, so they don't move once out of distance on their client. MwHaha.
I've done some sniping at >300m, it's obviously not all that effective but people tend to get real upset when you keep nailing them from the next base over and it's a nice relaxing coping strategy if you're getting zerged or otherwise farmed.
Put me in the screenshot pls
I always forget the game has bullet drop cus I'm almost never firing at something that far away
There's only one weapon I think actually benefits from the "no bullet drop" meme BS, and that's the Obelisk. It's a great weapon, but if we're just talking about faction balance, I'm sure any VS would gladly trade their Obelisk for a Striker or a Banshee or a Cyclone or a Trawler or a (etc etc)
trawler... I would get that nasty thing even for my archer.
Huh, Obelisk is hands down the best of the bunch(compared to it's es equivalent)
A Striker would be so amazing. VS get the shaft in many ways.
I personally want them to increase bullet velocities for all factions and all weapons. Not really a fan of the slow velocities. Just feels kinda weird
As long as it's not for snipers and antimaterial rifles. They are cancerous enough already.
I would really appreciate faster rockets
@@ZoKKeRFreAK the highest velocity projectile iirc is the railjack at 750 m/s.
IRL m4 has 880 m/s, ak-74 has 900, g36 has 920. These are all standard (at this point aged) assault rifles.
the railjack is supposed to be the newest, baddest, hardest hitting, experimental electromagnet technology incorporating, top of the shelf, ultra long range, futuristic, scifi magic writing all over itself, boundaries pushing, no compromise, ridiculous even for it's setting raw power sniper rifle.
and it falls more than 100 m/s short of today's aging *assault* rifles.
it is absolutely stupid and borderline immersion-breaking
I found bullet drop pretty noticable with slug shotguns. 4x scoped GD-66 Claw with slugs, have to aim above the head to land headshots at long range.
vanus sniper rifle do have bullet drop and I have no idea why is this a trait at all
They do have bullet drop and I should've mentioned that in the video.
Was wondering about silencers
Bullet drop kicks in as an important factor at the 200+ meter ranges. It's also usually raised specifically around sniper rifles. When running sniper rifles, factoring bullet travel time, and drop is one more extra factor than just factoring in travel time.
For long range snipers bullet drop matters a lot. So yes, the premise that bullet drop doesn't matter in short range and medium range engagements is kind of moot to begin with. No one should be complaining about bullet drop at those ranges. Long range snipe fests are where you will feel it the most because ranges of 200+ meters become quite common.
I'm not denying that there is bullet drop at those ranges. I am saying that at those ranges you are being an ineffective team player because of how non-impactful of a player you are being trying to snipe at people that are at those ranges, therefore you should not be fighting at those ranges. This means there is no reason you should be having to worry about bullet drop unless you are intentionally making yourself ineffective as player.
@@Dudisfludis 1- Thank you for responding I honestly wasn't expecting that. Always love watching your content.
2- unfortunately, long range battles do happen, and in somewhat open spaces or on long approaches to bases, there isn't much you can do about the distance when there is a lack of cover to allow you to approach safely. Your choices are to either redeploy, hide and not return fire, or try to lay down fire. Trying to approach willy nilly will get you killed.
3- A point that I think could have been emphasized more is the simple fact that the VS have literally 3 Sniper rifles that don't have bullet drop. All the others have it.
@@iraqiwalker1436
2: They might happen, but not often (never been in a real +200m battle, maybe got sniped here and there but not really a battle). And considering the breathing-sway already @200m I would argue that the few pixels of bulletdrop are neglectable.
3: BUUUT 2 out of the 3 are non-bolt actions and therefore not effective at these ranges anyway and the 3rd(phaseshift with bolt modi) also doesn't 1-hit hs at ranges beyond noticeable bulletdrop
@@thephilmon8499 If you hold the shift key you stop the breathing sway for several seconds to simulate holding your breath.
And yes, the point I was trying to make is that people that complain about lack of bullet drop on VS sniper rifles aren't being killed by the ones that don't have it.
@@iraqiwalker1436
yes, i konw, but you still sway a bit even with holding your breath
Railjack is my favorite NC Sniper.
Scopes are scams, just use /fp_fov # and you can get arbitrary magnification. (though it does magnify(not sure this is the "right" word) mouse sensitivity while active)
(Scopes are not just scams, fp_fov does require opening chat and this takes away control however briefly. So not ideal for close quarters, but if you are somewhere you can stare down a 12x, might as well ditch the sway and use a 4x and make up the difference, or more, with fp_fov)
Also at those ranges you are attacking player sanity/morale, in my personal experience being on the receiving end.
Now if that should be a valid target is a different discussion
I can say I have had a number of shots that looked like I predicted the head location right, but failed to dome because I clicked future head position rather than above it.
For a less anecdotal statement, Mathematical balance matters little if it doesn't /Feel/ balanced to one or more involved sides. You could have a theoretical FPS where, all else mechanically identical, one side had a 1 damage gun and the other side had a 100 damage gun. If both sides miraculously /felt/ equally powered, it is, in that time and with those people, balanced.
My understanding is that some guns can /feel/ better and more powerful (or the reverse) depending on sound design, such that a mechanically better gun /feels/ less effective than the mechanically worse one with better sounds/visuals.
Gun "feel" on firing had always been mostly about the SFX.
You may be on to something there, I played Quake Team Fortress and QII weapons factory mods for over a decade, Sniper class never had zoom. You just shot for the actual one pixel that was the head hit box at range. I used to play with FoV 115 and it was manageable but FoV is not magnification per se. Also scopes are what, 50 certs lol?
And last but not least, the TR Dragoon battle rifle. Heavy alpha, no damage falloff. And with that thing I've literally held off the target so much it was off scope.
VS Has always been the "seems awesome, really tho needs a buff" since Planetside 1 which I was a vet for many years. PS2 they made some of the weapons including a Sniper rifle or two -Not Consume Ammo-, and that's going too far. If I'm the last Infil to spawn on a router up in a tree or something before it gets destroyed, without an engy up there I'll be out of ammo and have to rotate out from that treetop. This is why you often see Vanu infils way up in trees or other spots only a bailout will get you.
Also FoV actually shouldn't be increasing zoom or mouse sens at all. Since normal is 90, how high are you setting it that it's becoming a problem? At fov 100, you have 10 degrees X and Y extra to traverse, but field of view has a set time at say 1.0 sens that it takes the player to freelook/aim 360 degrees.
Also I would say try FoV hikes, at around 115-125 the fisheye lens effect gets really nutty but your target should be nice and cartoonishly prominent, also anything not at your target's range and heading will be smaller so for me FoV was always about target's standing out and other TOI's all getting minned until aimed at.
@@pointmansf So changing the FoV may not be changing sensitivity, but when go from seeing in a 100 degree cone to a 10 degree cone, one degree of rotation feels like a lot more. my normal FoV is 100, my two goto 'zoom' FoVs are 30 and 10.
I would preferably have my sensitivity be a percent of my vision cone such that if I see something on the side of my screen it is always the same amount of mouse movement to look at it, regardless of how many degrees.
Yea it really isn't about the cost of scopes, but some weapons don't get big ones (or any) and scopes over 4x add sway. Though I disagree about FoV not being zoom, at least in terms of what I want out of a scope. Making the target more pixels on my screen
@@pointmansf if you know you're gonna be tree top sniping you can just throw on ammo belt and ammo printer. Unless you're just plinking non stop and not taking smart shots you should be just fine on ammo. I do it fairly regularly with Light Assault and heavy crossbow / blackhand
bullet drops dont matter in a game that is mostly cqc oriented kek
Did your voice become lower?
I use saron to disturb enemy camping/siege tank.
Because they are standing still and my saron don't have bullet drop my shot always hit, while they have bullet drop it take 2-3 shot to accurately hit my location.
It never kill enemy tank, but it's enough to stop them shelling out base.
the heck, you barely could see this guy.
the bullet vilocity matters way more at those ranges.
Daimyo is probably one of the only weapons where you have to get used to a lot of bullet drop. However since it's a NSX weapon vanu got no advantages.
Make more videos, thanks 🙏
What about underwater shooting?)
Sniping in general is super low impact so even if Vanu snipers were better, honestly it would probably have a detrimental effect because people would be encouraged to snipe more.
Remember when vanu shotguns used to not have bullet drop? Could put slugs on a shotty and snipe snipers out to 100+ meters lol
was wondering about this one, good riddance
@@retteketette yah it was basically a battle rifle. The projectile velocity made it pretty much impossible to hit things at that range though, unless of course you're a sniper that's just sitting in one spot the whole time. In which case, someone could kill you with something like the blackhand.
Bullet drop does matter with hallberd and saron.
im ps1 VS4 life & its ok we no wee r getting shafted its bin like that forever/beemer/thresher/ lol i think we like playing the underpowered dog because r true strength is r sexapeal & IQ & the devs cant nerf smart & cant fix stupid lol .but i do agree the bullet drop things is kinda useless especially for me because i like the CQC fighting. if 1 was devs id give the VS all the stuff the TR/NC dont got like faster reloads faster projectiles super accurate less kickback better handling more cray cray ammo types unstable/heat/armor piercing/DOT AOE/lash make the projectiles feel more like lasers and less like bullets..i dont think the devs even played planetside1 & tryed to make it more like a lobby shooter AKA battlefield/call of duty clone & dropped the ball on a grate many things:(
My friend.. Finaly somebody show truth. (Happy VS noises)
Love the informative videos
The issue comes into play with the dmr/semi auto snipers like the obelisk. It lets you shoot through small gaps as if its a point and click game. You also only compared TR to vanu, NC tend to have some very slow velocities. I've noticed drop early on nc weapons. Bullet velocity determines the drop.
No, velocity does not determine drop. Also, one of NC's faction traits is higher velocities.
I literally addressed this issue directly in the video. The obelisk does not have bullet drop, this is true. You're ignoring the point in the video that, even though something like the obelisk does not have bullet drop, it is not effective at ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied purely due to how many bullets are missed because of bullet travel time. Also it is semi-auto which means you have to hit multiple shots on the same target to get a kill unless that target is somehow otherwise damaged from something else and you land a lucky headshot. This just means you will be even more inaccurate purely due to how many bullets you need to fire to get kills at those ranges considering how many you're already missing.
To your point of NC having slower velocities, all 3 battle rifles (Dragoon, Obelisk, Bishop) have the same velocity, so that point isn't relevant when you're talking about those battle rifles.
NC victim mentality thinking they get the short end of the stick, meanwhile most of their guns can use HVA without neutering their TTK
Please don't refer to anything as a PUBG or Warzone copyright/patent-safe weapon like "DMR" when you really mean apparently high Alpha damage and projectile velocity. It makes for a hard time understanding what you BR fps people are talking about.
Also for future reference "point and click" weapons or physics engines on other fps' that enable instant-hit minus only your input lag, the industry term is "Hitscan".
The targets would be bigger if you reduce the fov
Nice!
haha bs i hold off 1-2 mills with my amr sniper :P
The "no bullet drop" thing is obviously not an issue at close range. You're also shooting stationary targets... that's not a good way to test this at all. The issue is with weapons like the obelisk that can be spammed from like 300 meters with no need to find the right tick mark to compensate for bullet drop. I partially agree with the "being ineffective at this range" comment - EXCEPT when using something like an obelisk, because you can spam that out to render range with zero consequences and still consistently farm kills. You completely avoided demonstrating the effectiveness of a VS weapon with no bullet beyond 200 meters, probably because that would have exposed the lack of logic in your statement.
obelisk is probablly the only vs weapon where i can feel no bullet drop like a real advantage
@@Louis.slmn93 Phaseshift as well
Ok, so there's a few things to unpack here.
1) Shooting at stationary targets for a demonstration is a lot better at showing the actual drop of a bullet rather than trying to pick it apart in a live situation because it is controlled with no variation. Again, the demonstration was just about the distance at which bullet drop actually effects the bullets.
2) The "issue" with the obelisk has already been addressed, and you clearly did not watch the video. At ranges where normal bullet drop would be applied, you are already ineffective as a player considering how many shots you need to kill someone with any battle rifle.
3) Again, the term that you have used, "spamming", is appropriate considering how many shots someone will miss out at those ranges so thank you for indirectly agreeing with me here that a person doing this is ineffective even though you thought this was a point against my video.
4) I did not avoid demonstrating the VS weapons because there was no demonstration to be had when we are talking about bullet drop.
5) "That would have exposed the lack of logic in your statement."
Ok, so given that you did not watch the video, or just didn't understand it at all, let me try to understand your "logic."
You say that the Obelisk can be "spammed" out at these ranges, ignoring that every other battle rifle and semi-auto sniper rifle is spammed at these ranges as well. However, you lack the logic to see that this is just the point that I have already made in the video that, at these absurdly long ranges, you will need to inevitably "spam" rounds to hit and kill targets no matter what battle rifle or sniper rifle you're using on any faction. Another side note to add is that even if you do want to snipe at those ranges, for some stupid reason or another, once you know how much your bullet drops you then do not need to guess after every single shot how much drop you have. Therefore, you automatically compensate for the bullet drop anyway which means you are shooting without bullet drop effecting your shots in any way which means, according to you, "you can spam that out to render range with zero consequences and still consistently farm kills."
Apparently your "logic" is taking what I have already said, repeating it, and acting like it is somehow a point against me meanwhile explaining exactly what I said in the video which is, again, that at these ranges it does not matter if you have to compensate for bullet drop or not, you are just being completely ineffective and barely doing anything to impact a fight. Let alone help your team in any way.
Thank you for being one of the people I made this video for and still missing the point of it.
@@belofost The Phaseshift literally does not one-shot past sniper rifle bullet drop ranges. You can test this in VR Training for goodness sake. It is not a useful weapon at all compared to a normal BASR. So let me reiterate, it is just as ineffective as the other snipers at those ranges but even more so because it cannot one-shot targets.
@@Dudisfludis It is not bolt action tho, it is semi-auto with heat mechanic, in power mode it is still effectively 2 mag semi-auto.
What does this even mean?
it means bullet drop doesn't matter