How They Did It - Growing Up Roman
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2024
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In this How They Did It documentary episode we bring history to life by exploring the family setting before covering the major milestones of early life. The major sections include:
Family Setting: The structure of a Roman family centered around the paterfamilias
Childbirth: How Roman mothers delivered their children
Infancy: Naming a baby an raising it properly
Childhood: Early tutelage by a nurse and pedagogues
Teenager: Going to school and attaining freedoms
Adulthood: Marriage and starting a family
Video Credits
Research: Chris Das Neves (@Celebreth on Twitter)
Script: Chris Das Neves
Art: Beverly Johnson
Editing: Invicta
Bibliography and suggested reading
The Oxford Handbook of Roman Epigraphy, specifically the chapter “Women in the Roman World,” eds. Christer Bruun and Jonathan Edmondson
Growing Up and Growing Old in Ancient Rome, by Mary Harlow and Ray Laurence
Roman Marriage: Iusti Coniuges from the Time of Cicero to the Time of Ulpian, by Susan Treggiari
Adults and Children in the Roman Empire, by Thomas Wiedemann
Education in Ancient Rome: from the elder Cato to the younger Pliny, by Stanley Bonner
Restless Youth in Ancient Rome, by Emiel Eyben, trans. Dr. Patrick Daly
The Roman Family, by Suzanne Dixon
#Roman
#History
Check out our other "Growing Up" episodes!
"Growing Up Carthaginian" - ua-cam.com/video/T8tZ2G51ST8/v-deo.html
"Growing Up Aztec" - ua-cam.com/video/wsNdYD8DODo/v-deo.html
"Growing Up Viking" - ua-cam.com/video/TdfdVDvA3tY/v-deo.html
Hello
could you do "growing up samurai" at some point? or, actually, more interesting would be growing up samurai vs growing up in other classes in feudal japan. ^_^
Hi, welcome to my home. This is my wife, and these are my children, Julia, Julia: The Sequel, 2 Fast 2 Julia, and Julia: The Julianing
I laughed way to hard at this.
Dark_Tail Don’t forget about Julia 5: Julia Harder.
Live Free or Die Julia
Julia Story, Julia Story 2, Julia Story 3, Julia Story 4
HAHAHHAAH
Imagine carrying a baby for 9 months, and then having your husband be like "Nah, I don't want it"
Lol
I now right
Probably the leading cause of women dying from child birth. How many children can a woman have before she either dies or has a boy? This weird practice is still in use today.
@@bethnichols4662 I doubt you would have much of a choice lol
scraggle and the 27 Beth is trying to instill our modern day morality on people from 2.000 years ago
Imagine you just tryna buy some bread at the market and suddenly you get whipped by a naked dude running down the streets
Sounds like a typical day in LA
So, collage?
Sounds like a pride parade got a Little crazy passing a farmer's market.
we all have our kinks
Sounds like Flordia to me
“Come here, Julia.”
*Julias 1 through 13 come in*
“I have made a serious mistake.”
But is easier. When you're in a crisis all you say is: Julia. And puff!
All Julia's in position of attack.
Instead of
Julia
Martina Roberta Elena*after 5more minutes in battle*.....and finally justinia. etc.
The father finished calling all his daughters names. But hey. All people were dead and the daughters were gone, with long before until he got to the 6th daughter name 😂😂
Cant ever call a kid the wrong name tho
They actually referred to each of them from the second onwards by their number. So you’d call “come here, Julia” if you wanted the oldest one. “Come here, Secunda” if you wanted the second one, and so on.
They usually called them quintulla, quadratulla etc. to tell them apart
Dam right 13 children is a bad unlucky number better have another
Good to know that the Older generation talking shit about "kids these days" transcends through time and its not just said today
IKR???
Once in a museum, the thing I enjoyed the most was a timeline of such elders complaints. First it was the books that were such a terrible thing, that children did nothing more than read. Then it was the horrible way of buying ink instead of mixing their own ink. Then it was the pens that were the cause of children being little shits, because they were so used to having things made for them, instead of preparing their own quills.... On and on until the last one that was quoting the evil thing called smartphone. I laughed so much at all that.
The "kids these days" mentality has always and will continue to exist for as long as humankind does tbh.
there was a story about Julius Caesar as a teenager where it was pretty much the "kids these days... show no respect".
Sula was the dictator and he pretty much put up public hit lists against his political enemies and Caesar was on it, for being the grandson of one of Sula's opponents i think. Caesar's friends negotiated Sula to remove his name and Caesar was invited to Sula's home to show his gratitude. Instead Caesar dressed sloppily and glared at Sula. Sula honored his promise of freeing Caesar but said "he will destroy everything we wish to preserve" referring to Caesar's future of overthrowing the republic.
Necessary part of life
"Kids were punished for being a bit too quiet"
*me being the silent kid through my whole childhood*
*chuckles* "Im in danger"
@@ethank.6602 says im not autistic
@@ethank.6602 hes lying,thats sus af
I was a really quiet kid too, to the point that many kids in my class didn’t know what my voice sounded like. The idea of being punished for being quiet is strange; my teachers usually saw me as a breath of fresh air considering how many noisy kids there were in my class.
Yeah, me too. I’m glad I’m not ancient Roman.
Ethan K. I’m Autistic and it said I’m not. Granted I am quite high-functioning, but I only got a 47%.
Also, just because someone is quiet doesn’t mean they’re autistic.
"[The child] was placed on the floor" - Sounds a lot like The Sims tbh
Matt C
They can’t put the baby on the floor. The baby is already on the Ancient Grill.
*mouse clicking intensifies*
Afterwards the child is bathed in the 2nd floor master bedroom sink
I swear the makers of the Sims made the babies be attached to their cribs in the Sims 4 to try to dispel this meme. It didn't work. 😂
No one please like his likes is now perfect for the ritual
Having a slave whose job it is to beat you... only in Rome.
I went from poor to beating a rich kid. I like Rome
Kinky
In Mother Russia, slave beats you!
There’s an old saying “When in Rome do as the Romans do”.
Yeah, people gotta pay good money for that nowadays.
Ah Puberty: The Madness that Affects all Youths until their 20s
People start going through puberty a lot earlier nowadays. It's a weird phenomenon that I don't recall ever finding out the true cause of. Probably better nutrition plus messed up hormones from excess estrogen, progestin, etc.
For example, women started going through puberty around 14 - 16 back in the 1800's. Nowadays, women are pretty much fully grown by 16, excepting a couple of stragglers.
@@Skeloperch - it's because the meat we eat, usually female, is pumped with Estrogen to make the animal grow faster, which in turn makes those who eat the meat grow faster.
@@JRWall-hf9mq this is false, we eat mainly male meat. Female cattle is mainly used for milk production.
@@rachel_sj females have always developed quicker. I believe puberty seems earlier because our bodies have more energy due to more nutrition
@@maxx1014 - the main meat humans eat is Chicken. We don't eat roosters.
“They were also infected by some sort of madness which they recovered in their early 20s”
Uuuh
where have i heard that?
wait what? please explain
nvm i read a comment just down here
So that's what puberty was called back then 🤣
Wait what is this anyway
It’s genuinely so adorable that people would be proud that their wives made their clothes
Andrea Rodriguez sammmeeeee
"Check out this brocade my dude! Guess who made it for me?"
"(Sigh) Let me guess: your wife?"
"DAMN RIGHT SHE DID! Best wife in Rome!"
Asher Flanagan
*some dude slams his hand down on the table*
“nO YOU SEE THIS FINE WOVEN CLOTH? CLEARLY MY WIFE IS THE BEST”
*swordfight errupts*
The Realist
*the sound of cloth ripping*
“YOU JUST TORE THE FINE CLOTH MY WIFE WOVE FOR ME”
It's terrifying how easily young teenagers were taken advantage of by older men. Neither the boys or girls were safe in that regard.
Did you miss the part where the guy was killed for it? It wasn't always lawless.
@@Bristecom And the teen got was sentenced to death.
Sounds like a pretty strict and harsh law. But it likely only applied to patricians.... Equites and plebs were somewhat up to their own devices on a lot of stuff with exception of contracts or other agreements made at the forum. Hence why there were mafia gangsters often backed by a set of patrician patrons.
Oh, Italy, somethings never change.
@@jmitterii2 I'm sure it depended on the situation and didn't apply to actual "rape." Rome was the first to have a court system remember.
The weak were taken advantage of by those in power. This was not limited to one gender or the other.
Older women too
Rome: You kill infants for sacrifice!
Carthage: You leave them out on the streets to die if you don't like them
Sparta: *_n o o b s_*
Yellow Panzer
I laughed too hard at this
explain
Rome responding to Carthage: NO! Someone may adopt them... and sell the into slavery.
@@darkdemons8434
The Spartans threw the weak ones off a cliff.
Lilliath holy shit
14 to 20's were considered to be a period of madness... You mean.. like.. puberty and common teenage rebellion?
They didn't have Animation and they've been firmly furries.
Such sad times.
The only thing that is missing is loud music and long hair.
@Henryk Gödel Probably because they get sent out at 18 instead of in their 20's, and hardly anyone joins the army anymore.
You seem like someone between those ages, must be your profile pic and name that leads me to think this.
I was definitely mad! Not from 14 to 20's but close enough let's say from 17 to 22. Weird shit happend because I don't give zero fucks back than!
Imagine dying for the birth of a child just for your husband to be like "eh, he kinda funky, leave him."
“julia i know you’ll haunt me for life but you gotta understand, this babies’ vibes are SO off.”
@@dreaddeadfox7098 I aint vibing with this baby, punt em.
Imagine being a helpless, scared new born baby left alone to die a horrible death . Imagine being a new born baby to come into the world only to suffer, starve and thirst without every being loved and cared for and never been fed.
He kinda funky- Roman father, 180 AD
Why
Baby defect: exists
Romans: *p e r i s h*
At least could live in Rome, ya maybe as a slave but then being thrown off a cliff, being left out in the wild, or etc.
@Meba Depends, most house slaves had it pretty decent, quite like hotel staff in modern day. Even had free days, where you could go and do whatever.
Obviously labour slaves had a harder time though.
Slavers: hippity hoppity this is now my property!
Sparta approves
The idea of Roman girls just being given a name and number is funny to me. They might have just called them Daughter 1, 2, and 3
Brycen Lanager Daughter of their dad 1,2,3 but yeah it kind of that.
King George VI(or any other of the George's): surprised Pikachu face
Well...they some kind of did for the sons. Quintus, Sextus, Decimus etc, are just numberings. The pool of male pronomen was really tiny, as the family mattered more than the individual.
So yes, they did use numbers as names for their kids, but the family name had to be included.
If you understand Spanish or Latin, it should sound very familiar as these names like Secunda and Tretia are nouns that are of the female sense and would be exclusively given to females. This is true in modern day Spanish as it is known today.
And now that I'm here, when I think about it, this new age politically correct form of non-binary gender politics among certain groups of people today would certainly not welcome the type of Spanish that I grew up with. Hundreds, thousands of books in early learning would have to be revised and, in a very idealistic way of a coming totalitarian utopia, be denied for teaching our young kids today.
That's a very common practice in CK2
"Here's an adorable letter about a little boy learning to talk written by his grandfather"
*Reads letter* Aww
"And here's a less adorable story about how Nero had his stepson murdered for playing general and emperor"
Nero what the hell man?!
When talking about the mad emperors, always remember that historical sources are not reliable ^^
Nero was not very loved when he ruled, and the thing Romans loved the most about history was to invent bad stories about the men they don't like, especially politicians. Kinda like a social network today, throw some gossips on a person, and let him justifying about things he never did XD
But, they do that with history too, because history was not considered a science that had to record exact things, it is considered like a tool to use for politicians. If you add to this that Nero was one of the first emperors to persecute christians and that we see roman emperors mostly through a christian historiography, Nero was most certainly darken a lot ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 Nero also fucked up the empire quite a bit, there's absolutely no question that he wasn't a very good emperor.
@@khatack How exactly did he fucked up the Empire? ^^'
According to Guy Achard and Claude Aziza, two historians of the ancient Rome, Nero was at contrary a pretty decent emperor, his campaigns were victorious, the economy was rising due to a good adminsitration and monetary policy, he even make the peace with the parthians ^^
When he died, he was so popular in the plebs that rumors of his return were heard in Rome, despite the damnatio memoriae, like a sort of Messiah (which is surely related with the rising of the christianism).
Yes, he was not kind with the Senate, because he had to fight two conspiracies, but he was not a bad Emperor, just an Emperor who was not liked by the Patricians of Rome ^^
And, weirdly enough, Suetone and Tacitus, our two main sources on Nero who relate all kind of horrors about him related that 40 years later, and were Patricians ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 the first years yes... In the end..
@@KLanio-lr8yv Well, in the end, except for the quarells with the Senate and the big conspiracy against him, things continue to shine.
It's after Nero's death that it became complicated with the Four Emperor's year ^^
"Riding broomsticks" was an activity that the great Harrius Potternum very much enjoyed as a young boy.
HAHAHAHAHA
😂 best comment ever
Arrius Vasaius
(Potter can be translated in vasaio, pot-maker, in Italian. Being a language born from latin, there is that)
🤣
Hahahahaha haha good one
It always blew my mind that the infant/toddler mortality rate was so high, but people would regularly abandon their children after one look at the kid...
Well…most of that 50% child mortality was due to medical issues or infectious diseases (90%), not abandonment. Until about the 1900s, it was pretty standard that if you wanted 3 kids to reach adulthood, you needed to give birth to 6 and watch half die of illness (go to older cemeteries and you can see this). Vaccines stopped that, saved literal millions and somehow…we know largely hate them.
@@Itried20takennames Right, and then the senile village elder orders one of the healthy babies killed off because they thought they saw some defect in the child; that's the mind-boggling thing for me. The survival of your children is already a coin toss, why add to the odds of your whole community dying out because you discarded otherwise healthy newborns?
yeah fuck ugly babys am i right
@@Itried20takennames That’s true but that also partly explains how people are weaker nowadays. Developing diseases and in poor health in old age as opposed to the older generations that had to survive childhood without modern medicine.
Abandonment of infants probably wasn't actually all that common. When it did happen, it was most likely due to either extreme poverty and inability to take care of the kid, or the existence of some obvious deformity.
I wonder how the mothers felt about newborn abandonment. Very interesting to learn the mindset of the Roman woman in regards to not only childbirth but everyday life.
Shit, ever hear of abortion?
Pfsif damn that was good
@@Pfsif well hell yeah! 🤣
@@Pfsif
Kinda different though, leaving a child alone in the street without protection without anything? Basically a high chance of him living a slowly painful, hard life, probably as a slave
Vastly different from what is at best a quick death
There’s a lot of academic literature surrounding this topic.
“Julia!” The father shouts.
Julia I puts her head round the door “yeah dad?”
Julia II does the same “yeah dad?”
Julia III and IV come down the stairs “yeah dad?”
Julia V puts her head through the wall “yeah dad?”
Julia VI pops her head through the ceiling from her room “yeah dad?”
Julia VII comes through the ceiling and lands in a split on the floor “yeah dad?”
Julia VIII comes through a portal from hell “YEAH DAD?”
At this point the Dad knew.
He messed up.
Then he beats all his doughters except Julia. He called her, not Julia II, III etc.
@@yourgodemperorofeverything1354 Except Julia VIII. Considering she comes up from literal Hades, she must’ve died in toddlerhood, considering Julia I is still in the house.
Julia, Julila, Julia Tertia etc.
I shouldn't be laughing this hard.
Where's Julia IV, did she die in childbirth? My condolences to the mother.
“Abandonment was an extremely common practice in the Roman world”
Ah I see where my dad got the idea of abandonment
D 😂😂😂
Same
Romans. The original blacks
@@kodingkrusader2765 really? Why go there.
@@RehabProjectSRCB whats wrong? Its just a joke so dark its dad never came home from the store.
Im black relax no need to virtue signal my dude there is a serious problem in the black culture a couple of racist white dudes didnt create that problem
Kids "playing law courts"? Sounds adorable.
Kid 1- "The defendent is accused of being stinky and stealing my knuckle bones"
Kid 2- "The prosecutor is biased and also has cooties. He should be recused"
Dad stands nearby looking proud.
Dad then procedes to violently beat both of them.
Especially since appeals to the crowd and ad hominem were just as useful as evidence in Roman Courts.
Reason they did this was because Roman courts were a form of entertainment. Lawyers were like celebrities back then.
@@cookiediangelo8511 just like judges now are becoming tv celebrities
Ok
Concerning the bulla, girls wore an equivalent of it: the lunula, it was a crescent moon shaped pendant worn as an apotropaic amulet, until the eve of their marriage, it was then removed along with other things.
Source?
Sebastián soube please :)
Other things😏
@@yoshilorak5897 I saw that too 😈
Sebastián h
I love that the show Rome was able to provide so many pictures for this.
Patronofdragons b
And the legionnaire working with Octavian is actually true with military lines. They would hire a trusted officer to teach their sons to fight and to lead.
I was coming down here to say that myself.
Rome was my favorite HBO program, still is
Thanks. I'm scrolling the comments to find out what show or movie that was.
Imagine: “Good job on your test Julia!” “Julia 2... mmm not so much.” “Julia 3, are you studying?”
As a girl, I would much more prefer to be a farmer’s daughter than a noble one
You'd better hope your crops don't fail
Sure do
You’re kinda screwed either way though. Due to the oppression of women that infected all of history, you still had no rights beyond the barest of the barest mundane crap that encourages gender roles anyway.
aye I'm a guy and I would agree too much more honest life
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 a purposeful and balanced relationship between men and women is not oppression.
"Teenagers described as young men who are absolutely impetuous with desire."
It really is fascinating that modern times is not so different from the ancient period. What only changed is tradition but not humanity.
Roman kids were subjected to physical abuse for basically any reason, instilling the obedience to superiors necessary for a military life in becoming a soldier in those times. Obviously nowadays we know that physical abuse is one of the worst things you can do to a child.
And these norms that we're told about in the video would probably only apply to the wealthier families, I doubt most poor Romans would recieve any education at all.
If you shrink "humanity" down to biology, then yes not much has changed, though that approach would be rather preposterous.
@Ucallit 71 Telling, that humanity for you is nothing but technology and some ominous, esoteric 'human nature'. No mention of humans as social beings, allthough that should be obvious as its most essential part. Especially living in times, where pratically nothing we wear, use or consume is produced by ourselves but in an intricate social division of labour incorporating millions of people. People are composed of other people and produced by the respective social relations. Our whole individuality is constructed only in difference to one another. 10 people on 10 lonely islands are all the same, everyone has to take care of the same basic needs, but 10 people on one not-so-lonely island and people are able to specialise, to differentiate themselves. Individuality emerges. The defining aspects of human life are created socially. If you repeatedly beat your child senseless, then you shouldnt be surprised its puberty will be overly rebellious as soon it is able to break out of this violent structure. The biological constants in this reagrd are negligible and continue to lose importance as the human 'second nature' becomes more and more socially and consciously constructed. In this context, the recourse to a cristallised human nature is simply arbitrary and unfounded.
@Ucallit 71 彻底批判地主资产阶级“人性论
@Ucallit 71 , please write your statements in proper paragraph structure. Or at lest edit your statement with the "enter" button on your key board to create fast paragraph. It will make your point clearer to troll. And I do thank you for chewing that left wing nut out.
My mom German/ Russian, in short she was a mean woman and she would go on long rants and sound just like a Nazi/ USSR Cold War Era politician . Split lips were a by monthly thing in my family, some times I "really" provoked it. As a teenager we had "dog fights."
In my late 20's I had to deal with out of towners from different parts of the States with the Hood mentality , who though they were All That. I slap a few of they senseless like my mom did to me more than a few times as a child/ young teen.
The " Gangstas " found out after I made them look really stupid a few times in a row in front of their hommies. I was raised as mean as a WWII Nazi, and by the Klingon Code of Khaless , Hitler should have been killed for incompetence.
in my world view, it is not child abuse to lightly slap them down till they are in a crying ball on the ground screaming life is unfair. It is all about " cause & effect." And when grandma punch us grandchildren we KNEW We were being more than mouthy.
If you want to watch fiction on what it is to be a Man in life. Here are two tv series you can find the" best clips of" on youtube
Gun Smoke
The Riffleman
Star Trek, TNG, and DS9.
The writers and actors of these shows had show me some of the hardships a man has to face in their lives. When I face some of these hardships I was just sad.I sad was cause I knew what I was dealing with was real and not fiction. Some people are so dumb and hateful, the only way you can keep them from constantly coming at you is really slap them down hard, then twist their wrist out of joint.
The best advice I can give you you is be polite, up beat, look for the best in things and people, and never trust anyone within arms' reach of yourself. If someone insults your virtue , firmly let them know you will not be walked on.
This is coming from a 42 year old that has seen 35 years of b.s.
Do not treat me like a retard cause I have a speech problem and I was never good at or care about sports.
Have a nice day.
"Hot-headed and pliable; full of energy and passion, yet without the capability of real thinking."
A perfect summary of most teenagers--even for today.
Also makes them perfect candidates to be junior soldiers.
@@cracklingvoice Till the nerdy teenager focuses all that energy and passion enraged by his murdered adoptive father caeser. Then begins cunningly dispatching with all the elders who keep underestimating the kid. Then goes on to becomes the first Emperor of Rome by his 30s. Agustus was a mad lad. 😂
"Full of energy and passion". Yeah, I just don't think so lmao.-
13 y/o me.
@@cracklingvoice vietnam and afghanistan
I see even during Roman times, the older generation will always be ranting about the youth. Good to see that tradition is still alive and going.
I think it just plays into the idea of decline over time more than anything. A descent from a golden age. Man did not evolve from an ape, rather he is turning into one.
Why?
Ok
“the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” - what an important thing to remember when studying history, especially the history of women and children
Honestly the word "madness" much better suits that period than "puberty" lol. It's amazing so many people survive that time especially boys... When you think you're invincible and youre fueled by testausterone a death wish is just good fun.
am I the only one that chilled the fuck out once I hit puberty?
Most never fully outgrow it. Put most adults in the driver's seat of a sports car, give them a fancy credit card, or stick them in front of a political news site, and they turn into fucking lunatics.
Hey guys, just popping in to remind you that 311 needs to be investigated.
@@miserychickadee that's a really good point! Haha
@@lordblazer I went from being an angel to a lunatic haha but im 25 now and still have some maturing to do but it's night and day.
seeing ancient lives makes me happy that i'm in this generation really
Then we have girls and boys thinking suicide is best
Darthwolfgamer 2020 well if you put it that way, we overcome living to fight and survive and now we have purposeless lives... it’s an improvement
menkrep1337 bot how about just appreciate your time given here?
menkrep1337 bot but you get to enjoy luxuries we have now.
@@Darthwgamer Fun fact: suicide was considered a noble and good way out in ancient Rome, so it wasn't any better.
"It was not necessarily a death sentence"
Me: :D
"Slavers looked for them and would raise them into lives of slavery"
Me: D:
Well...the baby didn´t die, did it?
@@meilismeili4863 id rather die than live the rest of my life as a slave
Your reaction matched your pfp lol
It wasn't always a tragic end for these poor children! There's a better outcome that didn't get mentioned (probably because it wasn't a major thing for a lot of Roman history) but oftentimes, Christians would rescue any infants that they found abandoned on the streets and raise them as their own within the faith! This pissed off a lot of the upper crusts of Rome because they saw it as allowing "unfit" children to live and supposedly drag down the Empire's gene pool or something. After Christianity was adopted by the wider empire under Constantine's rule there were laws passed that cracked down on this practice and afforded greater protection of the infants, recognizing them as human beings no matter if they were wanted or not. After this it became much more common for children to be dropped off at monasteries, or if still abandoned, rescued and then raised within a monastery. So a lot of them still got chances to live long, happy lives!
Ok Werid
"Kids were punished for being too quiet."
*chuckles*
I'm in danger.
u stole this
@@zombienano9771 I made this comment before I looked at the others.
that’s what they all say
@@zombienano9771 I'm serious. But you don't have to believe me.
yeah, shit...
So amazing that we call Teachers pedagogs in many languages even at this day...
Originally, the term Paidagogos (child companion) is Greek and was used for slaves that accompanied the offspring of upper class families on their way to school and back.
@wearealltubes Yes useful skills in bringing up a militaristic society, not so great for bringing up people who won't go into professions that revolve around killing.
@wearealltubes Not every person can fit such a mold. And not every part of the society needs to be shaped that way.
Current education systems are in no way perfect, but neither was the one of the Ancient Romans. As it was stated in the video - Pedagogus had a lot of power over his underlings.
Now immagine that said Pedagogus has a set list of prejudices, that lead to him just punushing the child at any "problematic" topic instead of bothering himself with explaination. What will such a kid learn in their life? Just to parrot what their teacher said. Not to think for themself, but desperately cling on to something someone told them many years ago and then forced to accept with physical threat.
I do believe, that's not something you meant with your original message. But you should also remember that there is 2 sides for every coin.
wearealltubes They were salves - often Greek. In comparative terms, they lived far more sedentary lives than your average Roman. As for violence, that was something your average human was far more accustomed to during that historical epoch in any context. Crime and violent conflict was an accepted part of most people’s (including much of the elite) lives.
@wearealltubes Up to the 1800s rich families might hire a tutor for their son; they used to be taught that way but usually the tutor would take them places, travel to different locations to broaden their experience. Some took their charge abroad for a few weeks and returned, esp. when the son was older. Rich people today sometimes do this I expect; they wouldn't want their kids to go to a public school system, or even a private school: That would be for upper middle class yuppie types or below. I imagine the ideal would be to find a tutor of great character first and foremost; the rest would follow naturally from being righteous and upright. At least that would be the idea. But many busy wealthy tycoons may actually be narcissistic (self-centered) sociopaths who see their wife, mistresses and children as mere appendages. It was the same in Roman times. Herod "the Great" (an Idumaean Arab working for the Romans and trying hard to fit in as a Roman) killed his wives and almost all his own children. Thankfully he died a horrible death in his own bed.
These "growing up" episodes are wonderful. Truly, the study of how children lived could be it's own historical field
I love how the children’s games were the same despite the social class
It shows a lot
I'd love a video about growing up in ancient Egypt!
YES
I second this as well!
Old kingdom, middle kingdom, or new kingdom?
@@Metztii Yes.
@@Metztii gotta go with old.
It would be amazing to see this for the later Byzantine Era to see how much changed.
women were in the kitchen making sandwiches i'm pretty sure.
That would be different
I second the motion for growing up in Byzantine Rome.
AND, period of fallen Western Roman Empire i.e. under Barbarian rules, whether "conquered" Italian changed their life style due to foreign influence.
I mean we are talking about over 1000 years later. Do you think our way of life would be the same at 3000 AD?
I was told that it was a common belief that if a daughter was born, it was because the man was passionate during conceiving, and vice versa for the birth of a son.
Do you mean that the wife was passionate if a son was born? I’m confused.
@@connorgolden4 He means that ancient romans believed, that if a man was playful and passionate during sex, leading to conceiving, a girl was born. And opposite for a case when a boy was born.
@@borealsullivan5486 an opposite could mean that a wife was passionate or that the man wasn't passionate for the birth of a son. Which one are you referring to?
@@alwaysbored47 I refer to when the case with male passion (or lack of it)
@@borealsullivan5486 Okay! Thanks!
Ancient Rome: These boys between 14-22 are kinda adults but they're infected with madness and not ready to be responsible or run a household or anything. Let's make sure they have chaperons.
Also ancient Rome: So these 15 year old women are fully ready to manage a household and be women carrying on the process of procreation!
Still happens now days lmao
females mature earlier that’s just a fact
@@overdose8329 girls do not mature faster than boys, we’re often forced to do so by our society. This video is a good example of how boys are allowed to still indulge in childish endeavors while also having time to learn and grow into adulthood. While girls are forced to mature because (even in present day) we have to get ready for motherhood or taking on major roles in organizing households.
@@tylerbhumphries that’s just not true. Among ancient Egyptians it was not too uncommon for girls at the age of 4 to have their first period and most had it by age 7-9. Girls mature physically and reach puberty (so mature mentally/emotionally as a result) faster than males on average. You need to go back to primary school science class
@@overdose8329 I thought a lot about your comment but couldn’t reply because I was at work and quit frankly, you disgust me. Your first statement was ignorant, not in a bad way, just in a “I’ve heard this before therefore I’m going to repeat it” we all do stuff like that. But your second comment made me realize you can’t be trusted around kids. Ever. I fear for any child that’s around you if you truly feel that just because a girl can menstruated she has reach full adult level maturity. And even if menstruation meant the body had hit adult level maturity, which it doesn’t, maturity has nothing to do with the body and everything to do with the brain. And both men and women’s brains stop developing in their mid 20s. Further development can happen as you learn new skills such as learning new languages or oddly enough, becoming a cab driver because you tend to remember in detail different routes and it changes the way your brain looks on MRIs. The average age of menstruation is 12 although it is standard for girls between 10 and 15 to start. Anyone outside of that range is an outlier and should not be counted as the norm or even as the somewhat normal. I was one of those girls. I started menstruating at 7 and yes, my body did start to develop but if I posted a picture of 7 year old me and 26 year old me, you would be able to see that my 7 year old body looks nothing like my 26 year old body. And in theory, yes, I could have had a kid at 7 but I most likely would have had a lot of issues with the pregnancy because my body was not fully developed and my birthing canal was still too soft/fragile to push another human out. You need to go back and take some basic anatomy classes, a human development class, a class about puberty and what it means for the human body and most certainly stay away from playgrounds, schools, and anywhere else children tend to congregate because you’re the type of person that made my father cover me in baggie clothing when I was 7. Wtf dude.
Living in the city of Rome itself sounds like it wasn’t too different from modern life. Crazy, and confusing.
@I HATE TOUCANS Ancient Rome was cleaner than most of Medieval Europe,
I wonder about that. Rome was filled with mostly wooden buildings & only the rich could afford having running water piped directly to their homes from the aquaducts.
@@aaleyah3082 Far from the truth - we know by Roman authors that by the time of Augustus for example Rome was so polluted that the Tiver river was undrinkable. In contrast medieval cities were much less overpopulated.
@@fede98k54 would of smelt like shit and piss 24/7. no plumbing
@@ElNiNjA246 like King's Landing from game of thrones?
You say the toga praetexta , with the purple border, was worn by youths. All youths, or just particularly rich ones? I was under the understanding purple was exceedingly expensive, or is that just the particular shade of purple worn by leaders?
Tyrian purple, made with sea snails, was incredibly expensive, but it was not like Romans didn't know how to mix red and blue to make a substitute. It was only less bright.
Purple is associated with royalty exactly because it's historically hard to make purple dye.
Probably anyone who wasn't a slave.
Most boys who wore the toga praetexta were at least fairly well off, as they were full Roman citizens. Slaves, peregrini, etc. were forbidden to wear any toga and did not enjoy the legal protection that the toga praetexta signified. The idea that society had a duty to protect children did not apply to all children, or even most children, in ancient Rome. The toga praetexta was a marker of which kids were considered worthy of protection, and which kids had to fend for themselves. The purple band advertised that Roman authority would come down on whoever harmed the child (unless it's the paterfamilias or under the paterfamilias' direction, in which case tough shit, kid).
How they did it: Growing up in medieval england?
Edit: just to avoid the 100 years war, the plague, and the end of the medieval warm period, let's do 13th century
So far every video in this series has been about ancient Rome. From pet dogs to naming babies to paying taxes.
@@GoErikTheRed The people need a branching out man
@@GoErikTheRed I did an episode on Growing Up Aztec and do plan on covering other civilizations
Plot twist: you don't
@@lartinmuther2790 plot twist: you die by Sarracen hands.
"Oh my what clothes are you wearing? Is that Gucci?"
"Nope its from my 𝒞𝒪𝒪𝒞𝐻𝐼𝐸"
I hate y'all istg-
HOLD UP A Sacrifice OF ALL OF YOUR TOYS 🧸
Oh hell no
There goes toy story then
“I’m sorry Andy. You must give Woody over to Jupiter.”
Google says Andy was 8 in the first movie soo..
Oh no
What does Toy Story have to do with anything?
This video taught me that HBOs Rome was surprisingly accurate when it comes to its portrayal of daily Roman life
When it comes to children´s toys, you really got to see these Roman toy houses with little tools. Sometimes, they even bear little inscriptions like "For me!"
Really cute!
Physical beating was just seen as the way of things in Roman times, emotional beating is just seen as the way of things in these times.
@@owlristocrat1151 "no more demons or beasts"
Christians: "you wish"
I like how this guy acknowledged the lack of information on lower classes and women.
Recognized Beverly's beautiful art style the second I saw the kind smiles she draws.
Glad you recognized her work! Its been a fantastic fit for the series
Love the art style too :)
I don’t know why but a baby on the floor and a dude looking at sounds funny
Sounds like a Monty python skit:
Paternus: Honey, I am back from campaign in Hispania... **finds baby on the floor** what is this thing on the floor?
Wet nurse: It is your son!
Paternus: you sure?
Wife:Yes.
Paternus; why is it on the floor?
Wet nurse: We need you to look at it!
Paternus: Oh, OK. **goes to the baby and picks it up** It looks funny, is it OK?
wet nurse: HE HAS ACCEPTED IT INTO THE FAMILY!
Paternus: wait what?
@@kingrichardiii6280 😂😂😂!
I like how the children and older people were supported . In those communities, fed, raised and taught.
That letter from the grandfather about his grandson is really cute and shows love💖
We need: How They Did It - Growing Up Norse!
Born in dirt
Grew up in dirt
Died in dirt
Case closed!
@@Erg893 Burninate the Countryside! :D
Ragatokk drinking the blood of their enemies!
Unless they went viking, they're a peasant's life in snow.
Comparing what I know about how growing up in viking age Scandinavia with what I learned from this video about Rome, then I think I would prefer growing up Norse. Seems like a bit of a mentally healthier upbringing with more agency and freedom with usually closer relationships with their parents, until they leave to work for a different family.
"How they did it"
Thank you so much and plz keep them coming
napolien 1 h
Imagine knowing your baby has a 50/50 to survive, AND THEN KNOWING THAT YOUR HUSBAND MIGHT NOT EVEN ACCEPT THEM 😭😭😭
They tried not to be to connected to babies because of that. Too much emotional investment at an early age is too risky due to the high infant mortality.
This shook a memory loose for me! Does anyone else over 40 remember an old Hanna Barbera cartoon called The Roman Holidays? Basically The Flintstones in ancient Rome.
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I live in Romania, usually you have 3 names family name-second-first name. Apparently it's a tradition to keep the second name Constantin. What are the chances of being part of a roman lineage?
Can you make a video about the Colosseum and the Gladiators and Gladiator types.
@@cezariusus7595 Oh wow thats pretty cool and does seem to have some similarities. Romania was at one point Roman and definitely was next to the empire for a long time so maybe that is the source
I like the images from the series Rome. That was a superb series. :)
please do more of these videos, their the most useful and insightful on ancient cultures, have you thought of doing one on the Celts or the Norse Vikingrs?
Surely only the wealthy could have wore the Toga Praetexta on account of the cost of purple? Also that Bulla seems quite pricey as well, it would be interesting to see if the lower orders used Silver, Bronze, Copper or even Wooden ones depending on their status.
I think the naming system only really applies to citizens/mostly the aristocrats so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this only applied to the nobility
@Alt-Centrist NeoBuddhist-AnarchoBonapartist
You're right. It is the knowledge of the of the nobility's Livestyle only that the Historians and Poets have preserved for today. The daily Lives of large parts of the Population lie in shadow for us.
The issue is, Lavender purple was expensive due to the crushed shells it was made from in the Med. Rome had a method of making another Violet/purple by mixture of Indigo and Iron Oxide, and due to the washing techniques it usually faded quickly making for a very light purple color over time. Below is a picture showing what that pigment looks like. imgur.com/ctpdLLC
The question is also, how often a toga was worn in daily life, as it severely restricted movement. Members of the upper classes could surely wear them on a daily basis, but craftsmen and farmers wore it certainly only on special occasions (and could hand it down through generations) and poor romens probably never owned one.
Well the vast majority of accounts are written by wealthy aristocrats with other wealthy aristocrats being the target audience. We know far less about the commoners in almost all ancient societies than we do about the kings and nobles.
It's so funny that teenagers have not changed
Imagine going through not only that hellish pregnancy but the hellish birth process especially with the mortality rates and then your husband just going "nah I don't think so." Just wow.
Why?
Just an addendum:
at 20:18, the whip didn't really hurt as it was not made to do so.
It was for a cerimonial/ritualistic use and there is some sources that indicate the woman flocked on the streets blocking the way to get the "blashing".
I know, Romans are nuts.
thanks for the additional context : )
Fhoer aqui
Wait till you see what Saturnalia's like.
Io Saturnalia!
Well... European woman didn’t change much in regard of getting whipped once in a while. :))
Another youtuber labled the whole ritual as "stupid fun"
"Well the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, it certainly limits discussion of a topic." Love this
The deity of “Bringing newborns to the Earth” is Ops. I read that as Oops and nearly died laughing
Sounds right... 😂😂😂😈😈😈😋😋😋
Me: *has a history presentation due in literally less than 8 hours *
Brain: _hEy do you want to watch this video of how people grew up in Ancient Rome????_
Also me: _sURe WHY nOT-_
How did it go?
@@alejandroredpine Not too bad, the sleep deprivation caused most of it to be wiped from my mind and I also know I suck at presentations, so I think it went alright
"A virtually impossible task, but a popular plot point in dramas" Damn, some things never change
I know a Grecian ritual and celebration for a girl's coming of age continued into Roman time in Southern Italy. The girls would go and complete rituals in the caves to Persephone- who was highly seen as a goddess of fertility and growth
Southern Italy kept a lot of its greek culture even throughout the middle ages and modern tines. There are still villages in southern Italy where old people speak a diskect based on greek.
When the Paterfamilias doesn't like the child: Out of the womb, into the tomb!
14-20 the period in which the teenagers were infected with some short of madness?..
Teenagers frightened the Ancient Rome. lol
I'm pretty sure most teenagers were scared of ancient Rome, so they started stealing. This was a great way to get forced into the military at the time.
“They say oh teenagers scare the living sh- out of me!” Myon Chemicalia Romancia
I talk with my best friend for half an hour.
Immediately she hangs up, I find a notification from Invicta.
Can this night honestly get any better?
Considering that your "best friend" is female, seems to me like your night couldn't possibly get much worse.
Saying "she" hung up was a bit of a giveaway.
@@khatack you can say that again!!!! 😁😁🔥🔥
@@seannolan9857 a completely intentional giveaway 😁😁
@@khatack that totally depends on the topics of conversation and nature of their relationship ;)
doesn't sound like fun being a child during that time
@menkrep1337 bot That doesn't help the fact that you get whippied for every little thing, plus might die cause of family leader being like nah.
@menkrep1337 bot reddit moment
Japanese had something similar when it came to naming sons. Jirou, Saburou, and Shirou mean second son, third son, and fourth son respectively, and often have a suffix like -ta or -maru tacked on.
I thought shirou means "white"
Kids these days are so lucky. I wish I had my hands on something like this with all the research papers I had to do. Thank you for making history interesting!!
It’s always a good day when Invicta uploads a video.
16:47 Funfact: The woman in the left is Sappho, a lesbian woman and writer. The women sourrounding her are her followers, while a man plays an instrument on the far right.
Sappho wasn't a lesbian, she was a Lesbian, as in her homeland was Lesbos. Her orientation was most likely bisexual.
@@MogofWar I meant lesbian as in the island (lesbos?) but now that I reread it does sound like I meant orientation
edit: Yep, Lesbos as you said.
Oh! I know! I was just being a grammar NAZI about capitalization.
9:44 make believe as senators
Damn how I can relate my childhood with people over 2000 years ago
Excellent video as usual. But all I can think of is:
1) You need to include some shots from "I, Claudius" as well and
2) It's really about time somebody made a third series as good as "I, Cladius" and "Rome". Two major epic series just isn't enough, in my view.
HBO Rome movie to close the story. Just make it better than that Deadwood pile of dung.
Oo
I love these videos! As a anthropology major I find the lives of those in the past fascinating.
The fuller the beard the closer the man was to being a responsible adult.
Woah, Dumbledore is one responsible adult.
Absolutely one of the best channels I have come across. Please keep it up! As a history buff this is so great to watch! And it's very educational, and the art used is appreciated. x
If life keeps a Roman down. Call on more Romans.
Thanks Invicta for all this humanity size of view from history!
Perfect for our homeschool unit. Hopefully it helps my kids also recognize how good they have it now! Thanks!
Great choice of illustrations. Thank you, I learned a lot.
One of the more beautifully shot and informative/interesting videos I have ever seen. Great job!
This was truly excellent. Watching this was a dream, I linked it to several people. I'll watch it again :D I love this series so much. it's a trip
This is so fascinating. I love this. Definitely checking out the rest of this channel.
Roman culture and history is such a perfect hindsight in visions and lessons of things that worked for a blended society. These are wonderful educational information to enhance and/or ignite more study/curiosity. Thank you!
This is absolutely my favourite of all your cities. I learn so much from history videos like the ones you make, but there is something distinctly special about learning about childhood from different cultures throughout history, as it's something that's almost NEVER discussed without doing deep-dives into a topic.
Wait, they really named girls Julia 1 and 2? So you were like called 2?
They were called "First" "Second" ..."Tenth", not 1,2 or 10
@@cv4809
That's...pretty much the same thing. A number isn't a very good distinct identifier.
Imagine if your brothers got to be Junior and Backup Junior while you and your sisters were Surname First, Surname Second.
"Second took my doll!"
"Pass the olives Fourthie."
Seems like it would get confusing real quick, especially if you spent a lot of time with cousins.
@@BonaparteBardithion That was just their official name. Each child usually had a nickname within the family, often a diminutive of their official name. For example, the first Julia would be called Julia, Julia Secunda could be called Julilla, and Julia Tertia could be called Julianna. Or some other little nickname as the parents saw fit.
@@revinaque1342
They would have to get awful creative with nicknames after a while. 😁
Mambo #5
The drawing of Daphnis and Chloe with the dog is so adorable.
Yay! You did more! Do even more, if that's ok? Thank you for the videos!!
Wow, man your content is reaching a whole new level. I'm tired of seeing history channels covering merely a campaign or the same few battles while ignoring the entire civilisation behind history. I am anxiously looking forward to your content, and I would love to see other a "growing up" episode on medieval Europe/Rome as well :) Keep it up!
The art included in the vid was beautiful.
These videos are very educational and well produced, thank you.
Thanks a lot! It helped me to prepare for the project ✨💜