is this what the left wants?
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Fully Automated Luxury Communism - Aaron Bastani
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Anarcho-Communist & Occupy Wall Street Alumnus here.
“The Left” usually wants to create a society where the majority of said society (in the cases of socialism, the workers) is in control of their destiny politically and economically.
The major disagreement in this is how to actually do that.
Libertarian Leftists want to accomplish this by removing state-based coercion from the equation.
Authoritarian Leftists want to use state-based coercion to bring this about via a “benevolent elite” who supposedly channels the worker’s power to this end.
Democratic socialists also want state-based coercion to bring about worker control, but instead of a revolutionary vanguard of political elites, they want to control The State via the democratic process.
The main common theme that distinguishes “the left” from leftists is the question of capitalism. Liberals and Progressives usually want to preserve capitalism while “improving” upon working conditions.
Posada’s biggest problem was that “aliens will solve this for us” is essentially wishful thinking.
He’s arguing for a Deus Ex Machina solution to “the revolution”.
Could this happen? Sure, but it’s still positing that the solution to capitalism lies in us being miraculously saved by an external force we have no control over.
This is only slightly more plausible than “a wizard will wave his wand and bring about communism”.
It’s objectively dumb to try to solve your problems by betting that said problems will be solved by something other than your own actions for absolutely no observable reason.
i think you are talking about Iain M bank's culture series?
that is probably a better example, i think third body problem is not a good world building book about politics, and is more about technological advancements and its impact on culture.
the book even references the titular character from the foundation series. asimov was liu's biggest inspiration.
i dunno, i just got here
Hey there, fellow genericusername, born in 1997. July, too?
I see your reference lol
I've been here a while but only started existing recently.
Bee swarm simulator pfp 🥹
@@MikeisRelic I've been here all along and will exist longer still
"Im escaping to the ONE place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalsim. SPACE!"
yet
Mand because in communism No one build the Technology to get you there xou have to bag for aliens
“So would you like the regular flight package or the premium flight package?”
I see you, friendo
We don’t like space we like earthly extension into the space
Im a gay alien. We vote Republican because of the Grindr install base.
😂 I bet my third eye Your support for the two-party system has shady motives... either that or You're bluffing about Your Kardashev scale.
Castro tortured me for both but I'm healing with cold war creme applied under a James Charles foundation base toner at the convention
Are u a handsome alien??
@JoshTheWhale gleep borp klorp norp 😂😂😂
It's like a grocery store for probing!
As a left I can confirm I want to be abducted by a Soviet gay alien.
As a leftist I will paint the moon pink and put a Lenin face on it
I can confirm, I am the Soviet gay alien.
@@sarapocorn Oh wow, wouldn't've expected my dreams to actually come true. Goodbye Earth!
As a leftist I'm absolutely ashamed of my peers for allowing corporate subversive nature to dictate what we stand for.
@@fipachu You‘re welcome, comrade. Now hop on, off we go.
i just want to be happy
Communism is the last thing you need then
that doesnt sound profitable for ME
If you want to be happy then stop chasing happiness
Life with just happiness will become boring quickly u need ups and downs
Womp womp
Take me away, gay space alien. It's gotta be better than here
@kyle9401 -Ye Wenjie, ca. 1970s
fr
"Gay N-words From Outer Space" moment ;)
@@KarlSnarks kino
"Oh no mister alien please don't abduct me to your gay communist utopia light years away from all my fellow homo sapiens" 🤭
you should watch Sassy the Sasquatch after this
@@bruce-le-smith didnt expect to see this here lol
I ask: What is luxury? Is it what western society has shown us? To me, no. We erroneously view luxury as hedonism. To me, luxury is time. Time to think and time to share with others. To be afforded this time, of course, we must change our labor relations.
YES
The problem is we have two competing things:
1) our desire for personal time
2) the fact that a society requires its members to do work within it to keep it functioning
With robotics and AI, this is starting to change, but for right now, we kinda have to accept this. There isn't a system or scenario in which this isn't the case. I bring this up to be the preface before I ask my question:
Soooo what do you want to change? Assuming you live in a western country, the 40 hours/week schedule is the norm with the philosophy of 8/8/8 (work/play/rest). This gives a normal week 40 hours of work, 72 hours of play, and 56 hours of rest. America is bad at giving vacation days. We could and should probably be getting a lot more. Is that what you're talking about?
Luxury for me would be to be able to pay ALL my bills. To be able to eat food, AND see a doctor when I need to. To date whom I want? That's luxury too, at this time, in this place.
It should be Standard Operating Procedure. Everybody has a right to food, shelter, work, rest, play, healthcare, religion (or none), kids (or none), education...those rights are already guaranteed by the UN. Did you know that?
So I'm ready for Humanity to be UN compliant.
Viva Posadas! Viva Trotsky! All Power to the Soviets of Workers!
@@joeyj6808 Just so you know, the UN doesn't really guarantee those things in the exact way you expressed. You don't exactly have a right to marry who you want for example. You just have the right to not be forced into marriage. So, you don't have the right to date whomever you please as per the UN, just the right to not be forced into marriage. Now, you should absolutely be allowed to marry whomever you please. Homosexual marriage shouldn't even need to be specifically legalized. Also, note that you have a right to "to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection." We absolutely have this in the US (if you're from elsewhere, you can find your social programs; most english speaking countries have generous ones). If you struggle to pay your bills, there are countless social programs you can access. Food stamps, gas card, lower-cost housing, utility bill support (lifeline + LIHEAP/WAP), Medicare/Medicaid/ACA marketplace/COBRA, libraries, and just... countless other ways of assisting people with low income. If you can't afford to pay your bills, you can access these resources. If you can't afford to see a doctor, access the health insurance resources.
Finally, the Soviets were the farthest thing from a just and equal society. Trotsky absolutely is included in this. They did not follow about 90% of these things. The exact things you mentioned, the UN bill of rights? They're the machinations of capitalist society.
Look man, I am all for dignity and respect. The foundational declaration of human rights is absolutely something that we should follow in every country, but we can't make people do that. It is unfortunate, but this means that we will always have people treated unfairly. We should still strive to be the best we can though. The entire point of this comment is for you to understand what you said isn't accurate, truthful, intellectually coherent, or bound to the realities of all western countries. It only applies in places that are extremely poor and no one can afford to live comfortably.
@@joeyj6808 The absolute irony of citing capitalist documents, ignoring that most western countries (the US very much included) have a _ton_ of programs that make it so you can easily pay your bills, and then praising the Soviets and Trotsky cannot be overstated.
The Soviets and Trotsky did not hold the values you put forward, just so you know. Also, Stalin didn't "ruin" the Soviet Union, he just continued it on its trajectory. Turns out, when you make a bad and authoritarian system, people with power in that system will exploit it! Who would've thought.
Anyway, yeah, capitalism in its current states allows for and provides you with this stuff. Want me to give you a short list of social programs in America that directly help with paying bills? Or are you more of a indirectly helping through subsidizing common expenses type guy? Oh, or do you wanna access the free healthcare the US provides like Medicare/Medicaid and your state-level medical programs for people with low income? Or do you want me to show you the government-sponsored marketplace for low cost and subsidized insurance? I know this is US focused, but hey, I am an American, I know the systems of my country.
Oh! PS! You seem to have misunderstood the UN universal declaration of human rights and what it is saying. For example, you have the right to not be forced into marriage, but there's nothing about homosexuality or other non-hetero monogamous relationships. It's a pretty brief read and it's freely available. Also keep in mind that it was written in 1948.
It's like walking into an empty cinema - i got front row seats!
I've never been to a cinema that let's me put 1.5 speed on.
i always interpreted the "space" part to refer to gathering the resources required for luxury from the practically infinite resources of space via asteroid minding or mercury deconstruction ect and not referring to aliens
Agreed - the automated part helps greatly with the vast distances of space, too. On the other hand, there are dark sci-fi where there's limited automation and humans are cogs in galactic industry.
You say it's practically infinite, but watch human population grow by a few orders of magnitude and you'll soon find it finite again.
Thing is: despite infinite space(and thus resources), we'll never be able to access it all.
So scarcity will always remain an issue.
Even probes traveling at lightspeed bringing resources back to Earth would have limits in how far they can go and still come back before the expansion of spacetime would render a flight back impossible.
@@rey_nemaattori there is no evidence of actually infinite resources anywhere, when i said practically infinite resources and then gave the examples of mercury deconstruction or asteroid mining i had hoped it was obvious i was talking about purely our own solar systems material, if our population doesnt explode which it looks like actually as nations develop it starts to shrink then a whole solar system is more then enough for 12 billion humans
@@rey_nemaattori, true, it's hard to imagine but with enough growth and time even the solar system would be depleted of resources. Humans could colonize other systems. Each colony would have a limit to growth, but they could continue making new colonies. The vastness of space makes interstellar travel difficult for humans, but it may be possible.
In Argentina’s (Posadas home country) left-wing circles, “posadist” is a derogatory term that roughly means “insane idiot”.
He was a communist, so yeah
5:45 when aliens will notice us they will take less than a minute for them to decide "nah, we're not dealing with this" and go away
People always say this but honestly I feel like either they’d be the first to threaten us or we’d at least try to engage with them in some peaceful way
I don't really think so... I think they would either not care about us and want to fight us, or they would be friendly. it's possible we wouldn't be nice to them though.
They wouldn't care unless humanity is provides some unique valie to them , we'd just be a neat anamoly for them to think about until they get bored and go do something else
you mean they'll decide "nah, we're not dealing with this" and send a barrage of relativistic impactors
@@orthoplex64 I think that's giving us too much credit. I think if they were going to destroy us they would be apathetic about it.
Yes, I want full automation. No, I don’t want Hierarchies. That would be the ideal. To be free from Wage Labour, and to have maximum positive and negative freedom, while minimising the infringements on the freedoms of others. That would be the Ideal, i think for most people too, not just us Lefties.
The issue, as always, is how best to attain such a state of affairs, and at what cost?
You'll never be able to rid hierarchies.
Simply because of biological randomness: Not everybody is born equally smart, ambitious, caring, extravert or neurotic, this by itself already constitutes a hierarchy you'd never be able to get rid off(except by cloning every one).
Even without taking into account the society, culture or value systems, none of our meat sacks are equal from the get go. Striving for equal outcomes in light of this thus is essentially fighting against reality. Which is why all these leftist utopias turn into dystopia's real quick, as they're playing whack-a-mole with reality: As soon as you whack one piece of this unequal reality, another piece of reality will pop up and burst the bubble, requiring more totalitarian systems to keep reality at bay till the whole thing collapses on itself.
The best system is one where each is allowed to deploy & grow along their own capabilities and desires, with a safety net for those who fall off the bandwagon in the process(be it by addiction, trauma, injustice or just bad luck).
@@rey_nemaattori
Diversity and personal power (charm, wisdom etc) has nothing to do with hierarchy or political power ie a monopoly of force
Its usually conservatives who have a hard time grasping thaf equality does not mean everyone is conformed. I don't know why this concept is so hard for you guys. Is hierarchy the ONLY dimension of distinction you see, therefore making it lateral would erase all distinctions?
We are talking about egalitarianism and autonomy which is the norm among hunter gatherers wherever on the globe or whatever era you find them (or evidence of them). Including women in that egalitarianism and sometimes even children.
Required everyone to share resources but high on personal freedom. If a good hunter got too cocky and not wanting to share the elders would tease him (or her) an if it continued they'd talk about how terrible the meat tasted, etc anyone who didn't share food and kept this stance got canceled/shunned as the eventual outcome, but so would anyone who didnt contribute to the group. *because a spectrum of canceling is actually a sign of autonomous communities, as there is no monopoly of force*
Anatomically modern humans lived like this for over 100,000 yrs until about 12,000 yrs ago. Egalitarianism always end when a group starts the slightest bit of agriculture (planting or herding).
Even their chiefs don't have actual power, it's just the guy or old woman everyone apoens to listen to (Personal power). He can't make anyone else do anything. Paternity isnt neccessary when everyone cares about feeding all the kids. And they average a birth around every 5 yrs per woman unlike the farmer/herders every 12 mos. Groups and bands coalesce, break and reform etc, you decide which you're going with, who you sleep with, when you have kids etc
..but you still have to share your resources with the group.
@@rey_nemaattori people don't get more opportunity because they were "born biologically better". people get more opportunity simply because they were born privileged, anyone could run a billionaire corporation, billionaires aren't at that position because they're somehow superior to the common man, they just were born lucky. under capitalism and hierarchy people with real talent are undermined simply because they weren't born with the resources to exercise the full potential of that talent. "socialist" regimes didn't fail because "some people are born better than others", they failed because rather than decentralizing and allowing the people to govern themselves based off their local needs, they mass centralized. leftist rhetoric argues that though social hierarchies will persist, these official hierarchies, of proletariat and bourgeois, of citizen and state, are not founded based off any merit, and as such the people's best interests are not in mind, inevitably leading to exploiation, and so we need to get rid of hierarchy and self govern, in a direct, not representative, democracy.
your social darwinism is pseudoscience.
@@yummydragon8533What science supports your claims, glass house dweller?
That sound like a dystopia, I want to have work that I take pride in. I want a challenge in life that can prove that I am worthy of being in society, to lead if it comes to that. Not to be pampered, with full on automation. I want to own my own business thats what freedom is to be able ti make your own choices, but also have to face the consequences of my choices to keep me sane.
I just want my parents back.
Me too. It feels like they died.
Real
@@RockenSpaceDino Do you think the feeling is mutual?
I don't particularly want my parents back
@@Dhrrhee3e11a76Ow, the edge.
First of all, loved the intro. It was marvelous! Secondly, I've heard fellow Marxists say that the book Fully Automated Luxury Communism explains that we currently live in a post-scarcity world, and that the technology exists for a fully automated society. The problem is just that these resources and technology are managed to the goal of maximizing profits instead of meeting people's needs.
I think the "Luxury" part of the phrase is the issue, since we indeed do already produce enough food, clean water, electricity, electronics, and luxury/commodities for everyone to have enough, it's once again just that these resources are squandered. Remember how those millions of potatoes were thrown away mid-pandemic because the price had fallen so low, and remember that we live under extreme levels of planned-obsolescence, where our products are designed to break so we have to buy (and produce!) more of the same thing. 660,000 homeless people (and growing) live in the US, while we have nearly 15 MILLION vacant homes, which may not even include the number of empty apartments. We've got people starving and skipping meals due to a lack of money, and according to the USDA, 30-40% of the food supply is wasted, which was 133 billion pounds of food in 2010. Second Thought has a great video on World Hunger that points out the irrational causes of it.
Third world countries are exploited and kept starving for the profit of the global North via resource extraction with extremely cheap labor, and in some cases slave labor. Think of the lithium mines, banana republics, and chocolate farms run by the megacorporations. In a liberated world, these countries would be free to set the prices on the resources that they extract from their own land, instead of it all being funneled out by force at minimal cost to the rich and powerful countries. These currently-labeled third world countries would see a flourishing and regrowth of their economies, and they too would live in a post-scarcity world. The world as a whole would benefit from the working people of these currently impoverished countries doing better.
Basically, we produce enough, but it's mismanaged.
based reply i wouldnt have expected to see this under a video about gay space communism
@@muradalsayed1349 and why wouldn't you? Title sounds weird but it was a great video no?
Hell yeah, Marx would be proud of your historical materialism, if anyone find this ideology scary go read a book, big boys read.
I haven't read the book, but I would say "post scarcity" can't possibly exist until sustainable immortality exists. People don't want to die and are willing to spend money to extend their life and that will always be subject to market factors unless there was a way to achieve immortality, and this immortality achievement would have to be sustainable (aka not consume finite resources) for us to ever actually be post-scarcity. scarcity is a necessary fact of mortality.
Much of the food the US produces is sold to other nations (screw them right?), items break there is no such thing as a static product that lasts forever, Yout telling me developed nations are evil for allowing china to become the second richest nation on earth, that's its evil for nations to do trade? Chocolate farm are not run by megacorporations, but independent farmers. Why make such a easy to verify lie? because the facts don't agree with you? "flourishing and regrowth of their economies" what are you talking about? many of these countries have never had "flourishing economies". Buddy, again no one calls them third world but developing nations. Why use incorrect terms?
It's nice to have a cute fun video between all the rigorous ones. Maybe in the future you could delve deeper on why so many people are distrustful of the human ability to cooperate without competition.
I would start by learning about the gulags, maybe its because every time this has been attempted, it gets commandeered and corrupted by resentful people, who revenge themselves on the old elites by becoming them, then hundreds of millions of people starve and get liquidated
this phenomenon, has racked up about 40 austrian painters worth of yeeted beings in the last 100 years.
@@Goremocker i dont think that needs to be a video. Just look around and you will see enough bad people who would cheat any system if it would benefit them.
because capitalists divided the people. and the current system benefits those who are greedy and inhumane, not those who actually want to help society. if human nature is "greedy", then why do we follow a system that promotes such a bad nature? people for capitalism are stupid fr
@@mastersnorremans the problem is that those people are encouraged to gain and be in positions of power. If we change the incentive structure so that those type of people are far less likely to be in power then although we will never eliminate greed, reigning it in is possible.
@@SoaringSalamanders Curious: what incentive structure can you think of that eliminates the prestige afforded by a position of authority? These bad people are incentivized by power itself.
Posadas sounds like a Communist alright - "If an advanced alien species of super-intelligent creatures exist, they would think just like me!"
I just want to be in a world where I can be myself, and relationships and friendships don't have the chance of being ruined because of money, and I can live how I want to.
People will propose consulting hypothetical aliens before they take inspiration from elements of hundreds of human civilizations that had and have better societal arrangements and mechanisms than our homogenized post-colonial world...
many other things as well. Any length to avoid anything sensible!
there also needs to be caution when remembering past systems.
They didn't emerge from vacuum, all of it was a continues process of change.
Considering that current modern society hasn't been practiced before, I am not sure we could see a proper example of voluntary change of the system that we need
Hundreds of human civilizations took inspiration from magical sky beings. In fact those past civilizations inspired us to also take inspiration from magical sky beings. I don't make the rules 🤷♂️👽
@@Jack_Parsons-666 nice
Similar to finding the idea of the end of the world more believable than an effective change to capitalism…
I'm sorry, it's just.. so difficult to take this seriously when you're constantly saying "Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism".
Good.
I mean Gay Space Communism is cool and all, but have you tried Trans Train Socialism?
Replace 'aliens' with 'God' and you get basically the same sort of cynicism: A belief that we need some greater power than ourselves, a savior, for humanity to progress.
@@christopherbuccheri6435 the only diffrence is god isnt and cant be real
@@mindthesynapticgap4909 Its the same idea just that " God " is a higher power that is always more advance then humans , if humanity had multi dimensional travel God would somehow be above even that
@mindthesynapticgap4909 I'm going to cleverly set aside the atheist / gnostic / agnostic debate. Rule 19 of Miyamoto Musashi's Dokkodo: Respect Buddha and the gods without counting on their help.
I think this is how the video concludes basically. We need to try to solve our own problems.
If you assume that God works for you and not through you then yes
External vs internal locus of control
Tbh im here for the gay space communism
I'm just here for the gay and the space, tbh
I love that i can learn about gay space communism to light jazz
Lmao the intro being the 3 body problem
Be Advanced race: super advanced
Can’t survive need monkey help: ?
@@Amy-gf7je if you're confused, then read the books. TL;DR (hiding because of slight spoilers):
The Trisolarans do not truly need humans' help, they manage fairly well on their own.
I feel like this isn't tackling the core of what automation promises, and also ignores the ideas of degrowth. Automation allows for the most efficient processes for goods production to be taken out of the hands of the workers, allowing them to discover new efficiencies and improvements that apply to their and their neighbors' material conditions. Degrowth posits a step back from the unsustainable consumerism enjoyed by the imperial core, but not a wholesale destruction of Luxury. We do not need to wear sack cloth and eat amino acid gruel, we just can't own Bugattis and gold plated toilets.
I think this is an interesting start, but I really must ask that you engage with the literature further. Missing out on some of these concepts can mislead people into thinking that there isn't any real thought that goes into Communists and Socialist ideas. That they're all idle daydreams of people who don't understand reality and not thoroughly considered alternatives to the current world order.
name one successful communist nations.
let me guess your response "true communism has never been done before"
Same goes for you.
Cough cough economic calculation problem cough cough
@@ihavenolife6839 I appreciate criticism, but you're going to need something more relevant than the Austrian School. Just about any issue of command economics has been solved by computerization and automation. We can see examples of this, vertically integrated multinationals like Walmart and Amazon.
@@tumultuousv How so? Is there something I missed in the content of the video?
I don't know what the video is about, I just wanna say Gay Space Communism sounds dope.
perfect name for a death metal band
Freiheit ohne Gleichheit ist ein Dschungel, Gleichheit ohne Freiheit ein Gefängnis.
Abwandlung von Rosa Luxemburg: Freiheit ohne Gleichheit ist Ausbeutung.
Happy, Space, Community… sounds pretty good… yeet
@@thomasr963 Six seasons and a movie!
He could have just made all of that up, but I trust him with my life.
I kinda want gay space communism
Because it sounds funny?
@@assassinunknown6664 no
I dont even need to see the video to answer : YES. EXACTLY. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. Star Trek meets The Culture.
I use the Sci-fi sound for my alarm in the morning, and hearing it in the video really threw me for a loop
Actually there was a special radio group in the 1920s in Soviet Russia. They were tasked to try to get in touch with Martians. Back then people thought Mars was populated by more advanced civilisation. The Soviets assumed it must have been a communist society.
It all reminds me (also what you described) "a secular version of the search for God".
I used to be involved in a Trotskyist party and fully subscribed to a communist, utopian, end goal.
While I still believe capitalism will eventually implode and a new system will replace it, I don't think a socialist mode of production will be anything luxurious. More so, socialism will be tightening the belt and living within our means collectively in the face of climate disasters. IF that transition could be made in the first place.
I also think in a hypothetical space traversing society in the future, there are many variables that could make the existence of a "stateless, classless, moneyless society" still this utopian idea that doesn't mesh with said reality. Theoretical limits to technology that would still require immense labor from human beings, the possibility of hostile extraterrestrials, and some kind of drama and conflict that could still exist between people.
Have you heard of these things called robots? Yeah. Not everything has to require immense labor. Have you heard of "lights out" factories? They don't need much lighting because there are few workers at all there. It does production automatically. It just takes manintenance occasionally.
Gay space communism?? Sign me up
Of course its a guy with the Deltarune pfp
I wanna come too
@@JcoleMc peak leads to more peak
I just find the idea of interstellar travel for resources absurd. It has to take more resources to get there and back again than you can carry.
not necessarily.
@@AL-lh2ht Interstellar travel for recourses is about as pointless as taking a flight from California to new York back to California again just to go grocery shopping at Walmart. I mean, sure it could be done if you're determined to do it, but doesn't make sense to take the idea seriously. We still don't have the recourses to go digging in our own backyard let alone go travelling to other stars and solar systems.
Going somewhere in person to get resources and bring them back is absurd, yes. But given a sufficient amount of automation, you could conceivably send a ship of automated drones programmed to replicate and build structures capable of sending raw materials back by regularly firing them into space in our direction, where we would have further automated drones to “catch” and slow down the material packets before processing them in our own solar system
@@billbadson7598 Sure, but again its still highly impractical. Building robots that can handle and survive space and build entire stations and create their own "mining society" is fiscal, time, and resource consuming. My analogy is assuming you already the entire plane economy and culture down, we would still need to build the airports and the Walmart and the planes and the pilots and the stewards and the passengers and still that's just to get us off the planet and begin setting up shop, we're not even considering the complexities and challenges and very real dangers of space because in my analogy we have the comfort knowledge of our own planet. But even if we beat the odds it would still take decades if not centuries to actually get the ball rolling and for it to be a real worthwhile investment, and that's assuming we're in our backyard. Even if you build robots to travel in interstellar space then we're looking at entire millenniums going by before we hear or get anything back. Its a cool idea and honestly maybe part of the future because we're slowly making it happen between building robots and trying to go to mars but even with a billionaires money its hard.
sounds like a fallout quest
So they want the plot of Steven Universe?
what about the talking dolphins
They thank you for the fish.
I actually saw some dolphins the other day. Didn't occur to me to talk politics with them.
_”Capitalism… is ordered under a logic of scarcity.”_
We literally live in an entropic universe. There is X amount of usable energy in that universe and it is always, ALWAYS going down. Scarcity is an immutable truth.
I think that you are right to some extent but I also think that at some point when you have enough of something you no longer have a scarcity of it even if it is limited. Take this for example. You as an individual are limited to only have these 500 xboxes. Even though your amount would be limited you have more than you would realistically need.
I don’t think humans have an infinite want of materialistic stuff so we could have an abundance of that even though the universe isnt infinite.
Edit: We’d just have to keep our populations from exponentially growing which shouldn’t be too hard considering it’s gay. (I’m joking)
while most resources are finite, some of those resources are so vast that they are effectively limitless as for as individual use goes. The scarcity that orders Capitalism is the artificial scarcity that comes from when a private capitalist creates further scarcity of said resources (food, water, shelter, etc.) and then uses that increased artificial scarcity in order to charge money or extract rent from others.
@@autoklashkinov _"while most resources are finite, some of those resources are so vast that they are effectively limitless as for as individual use goes."_
I disagree. Man is possessed by the spirit of the wendigo. The more we eat the hungrier we get.
_"The scarcity that orders Capitalism is the artificial scarcity that comes from when a private capitalist creates further scarcity of said resources"_
I disagree that this is the primary driver of scarcity in a capitalist system. The primary drivers of scarcity in all systems are energy and time. The specific sorts of inefficiencies that pop up in capitalist systems are vastly overshadowed by the efficiencies, and consistently produce more wealth for everyone that non-capitalist systems.
As a the Left, i just want the freedom to live happy, and i want the same for others.
Oh boy how am I gonna break the news (both sides are absolutely disgusting)
How would one go about legislating such a vague ideal?
@@triumph.over.shipwreck Outlawing superstitions for one. If we can do stupid shit like insisting 10 commandments become part of publicly funded education, we might as well throw in the Flying Spaghetti monster as public education for fairness' sake. Or, we can just lean towards secular humanism and teach people to use their eyes ears and brains and quit being told what to think, but how to think. It's nuts, right?
Maybe realise that everybody should have a fair shot at meeting their own aspirations in their areas of interest. We shouldn't have unpaid, and out of work scientists stuck in trained monkey jobs, but we do. And we shouldn't be paying dumbasses six figure incomes because they are the most ruthless and depraved creatures imaginable as well as being the most uneducated and least qualified.
Free>>>happy
I bet it’s beats the fuck out of the Orwellian gerontocracy we got now
It really is important to ask what the other side truly wants. Everyone sometimes fails to account for others point of views, it’s very odd because every ideology/religion that is wide spread advocates on the idea of “hearing one out”. Another great video tho Sisyphus!
Could not disagree more with every last bit of that.
@@TheGloriusContent You don't think it was a great video? :(
@@HolyCodzta It was decent for what it was. An I has exchange in this very comment shows why I disagree on hearing people out; maybe you should, if you can is another story. I can value hearing someone out, but they might not value be heard out enough to be clear in their speech.
As for every wide religion and ideology advocating a cuum by yah market place of ideas, there's a massive pile of bodies that suggests otherwise.
first priority is ecological sustainability
What do you define as the ecology?
@@authenticallysuperficial9874 metabolism of all life on earth
@@authenticallysuperficial9874 Ecology is a science. An ecosystem is what you are part of...and absolutely depend upon. Ecology is the study of ecosystems.
Ok. Fully-automated eco-space luxury gay communism
"humans are not fit to rule themselves" aka Ingsoc
What's the Left
*/raises my hands and makes an "L"
faz... faz o L...
Put it on your forehead and look in the mirror.
me when i forget my lefts and rights
Or perhaps natural resources already belong equally to every individual.
I don’t even have to watch the video to Anwser yes
I might have been born last night, but it wasn't at night.
“The heat” lol lol 😲
God do I love this channel.
Okay, as a semi-prominent “Anarcho-Communist” & former Occupy Wall Street activist, here’s my take:
“The Left” usually wants to create a society where the majority of said society (in the cases of socialism, the workers) is in control of their destiny politically and economically.
The major disagreement in this is how to actually do that.
Libertarian Leftists want to accomplish this by removing state-based coercion from the equation.
Authoritarian Leftists want to use state-based coercion to bring this about via a “benevolent elite” who supposedly channels the worker’s power to this end.
Democratic socialists also want state-based coercion to bring about worker control, but instead of a revolutionary vanguard of political elites, they want to control The State via the democratic process.
The main common theme that distinguishes “the left” from leftists is the question of capitalism. Liberals and Progressives usually want to preserve capitalism while “improving” upon working conditions.
Posada’s biggest problem was that “aliens will solve this for us” is essentially wishful thinking.
He’s arguing for a Deus Ex Machina solution to “the revolution”.
Could this happen? Sure, but it’s still positing that the solution to capitalism lies in us being miraculously saved by an external force we have no control over.
This is only slightly more plausible than “a wizard will wave his wand and bring about communism”.
It’s objectively dumb to try to solve your problems by betting that said problems will be solved by something other than your own actions for absolutely no observable reason.
Is it too much to ask for wise choices like not polluting anything any more than we have to? Or to ask not to be stuck in a march towards being at the mercy of cabals and stuck in a game of Monopoly? There is enough for everybody's need, but not enough for everybody's greed.
Gay space communism sounds pretty cool ngl
Mars being called red planet brings whole new meaning to it😅
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Like that one dinosaur episode of Rick and Morty
Finally a real ideology
We appreciate your insights. We look forward to see more.
Liu Cixin is aligned with the right wing nationalist elements of Chinese political culture, so the existential and political implications of his novel make sense in that context.
He seems to be a cynic in regards to human nature but it seems odd to call that right wing in a Chinese context. Do you mean like, Confucian? Or bc he's generally critical of Chinese communism
I saw a thumbnail, I've read the title. Yes, it is indeed what we want
What about heterosexual earth capitalism?
@@manfred2375 i think some countries are already there :)
@@HinaB358 some? the world I'd use is probably 'most'
That's what we got now
Not sustainable
I apolgise to for getting sidetracked, but where are you getting all this old-timey looking footage of space? I love all of them. I must have them.
I fuckin love the 3 body series. Dark forest is best one
We were born to inherit the stars, not you, xeno FOR THE EMPEROR
If there was post-scarcity, why would gays be more prevalent? Wouldn't men just have as many children as possible? The main argument I hear from my generation about children is cost.
they want you to believe that having everything you want will lead you to have homoerotic desires, no idea about the logical jump there, maybe they just want you to be like them
Is the only thing preventing you from having children your ability to nourish them? Would you honestly have "as many as possible"? Why? What does having children have to do with being gay?
@@00Platypus00 "What does having children have to do with being gay?" Think about it for like a second and you might figure it out. Unless you are an outrage robot.
@@Gahanun Being attracted to the same gender does not make one unfertile, mate
P.S.: What makes you think I am outraged...? I good. But thanks for worrying :)
@00Platypus00 I'd probably have a kid a year for the rest of my life if I had infinite resources.
First video I watched of yours and I can't believe I haven't found this channel of all my years of watching youtube. Subscribed👍
FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR NEEDS
(Needs, not luxury)
"The answer is Lipsola."
Not an accurate representation of communism.
@@pootca explain it better then, Karl
@@Adssn You got me there
As a fan of The Culture, we want FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY- gay space communism
As a fan of Dune, I cant wait for the inevitable Butlerian Jihad that would follow.
thinking communism is an unachievable utopia is like thinking getting abducted by gay aliens is too good to be true, the only difference being outing yourself as either communist or gay
im philosopher
No. Thinking communism is an unachievable utopia is a common criticism of communism by non-communists, while most gay and straight people don't want to be abducted by aliens of any sexuality.
not even marx had a real dea what communism utopia would like like. also what type of communism here? the one with zero government, post scarity, pure equality, cashless, without conflict, hierarchy, or competition?
@@AL-lh2ht pls introduce me to the hierarchical, competitive "communism"
@@AL-lh2ht why would he? Marx was trying to lay out all problems within the capitalist system, he wasn't even finished writing all of his work on those problems before his passing, not to mention organizing congresses, meetings and rallys for communism. It's in the same vain of how mises never laid out what his idea for capitalism would be, he was to busy jerking it off and saying how good it was while trying to organize believers in the capitalist system.
@@NilsS-ew8ph Any inner de facto ruling circle in a communist regime?
"gay space communism"? Hell yeah
I really think that the Three Body Problem series should be more popularly known as the "Dark Forest Trilogy" after the second book because that is where most of the most important themes are developed.
I feel like I'm missing some context that is intended to be prior knowledge to understand this video... what is happening?
Yes this what i want
I still want it Star Trek style. All different, but getting along, and that's the point.
They don't have to be "the same" beyond a common goal...and I guess, a uniform. >_>
Behold my subjects!
Bring thy probes!
3 Body problem also challenges the inherent nihilism in modern capitalist youth not wanting to form families and reproduce. You're seeing this demographic crisis play out throughout the developed world where an aging population is living longer, needing more government help in elder years while the younger population are not replacing themselves creating a dire future where retirement ages will have to be pushed back and everyone forced to "work longer" because the social safety net systems are collapsing and capitalists have little incentive to rebuild them.
"Everything in nature is connected" and "If one of us survives, we all survive" are the main themes in the book precisely showing us that degrowth from resources IS necessary, but not depopulation as that creates massive economic AND psychological complications for society as a whole. Remember Children of Men?? Well it's freaking happening.
What IS the point of progressive politics and protecting the planet and its inhabitants from exploitation if we aren't even gonna have kids to leave this world to?? Yes we help those who are suffering here and now first, but we also must think beyond our own existence in order to remain fully connected to a global, species-wide sense of belonging and survival.
there are 8 billion humans on earth, 7 billion more than the 1800s and still growing. globally speaking there are plenty of folks gettin freaky out there and making more humans. and it's also hard to imagine post-scarcity in that context
Real af. I'll know if I've lost the plot if I don't aim to raise a child.
Well as a leftie I want Star Trek and not that chinese stuff (I mean both their current government and the Three Body Problem being a dystopia).
Scarcity is a cultural phenom. It’s about perceived wants and needs, and comparison to an “other”. We will probably find, in regard to space, that any and all simple and previous paradigms fall to the wayside. The comparison of scale isn’t even possible. It’s an open door.
It's a Darwinian problem, and it's inescapable. It may be *manageable*, one day.
Value is subjective, yes.
of course they do, what else could they want
Why does the concept of "automated luxury gay space communism" not surprise me in the least?
Definitely one of the greatest ideological titles I've ever heard! 🤣
"wait why does that look like exactly where I live"
GRAND CONCOURSE SIGN
bruh...
no such thing as "The" Left.
But, nice try.....
As I see it we are pretty much post scarcity for at least 2 decades now.
And by that I don't mean that nothing is limited. No, some things are very much still practically limited. Like gold for example. But much like gold, no one actually needs that stuff. And gold is my favorite example because we "use" most of it and I mean over 80% by storing it in armored basements. And another 10% as decorations where it is so impossible to tell if it actually is gold that the most expensive ones come with certificates. NFTs are not a new idea you see.
That's true for perhaps 1/4 if worlds population. Scarcity is very real.
2:55 "social liberalism" 🤢🤮
The big question is, can evolution produce creatures more intelligent and yet benevolent and altruistic than humans? God (in the most literal sense), I hope so. But I doubt it.
Fairly low bar set by us on all 3 of those
so early that I indeed do not know what left wants
I don't want luxury - just a little earned private property that no one steals from me constantly.
Yeah, uhm...medical care and shelter are considered as human rights in some areas, and the same with food and clothing.
@@OceanusHelios positive rights... they become little inconsistent when no one is willing to fullfill them, like e.g. no doctor around to provide the care, or too many people needing care abusing rights of that one doctor; I never heard a good defense of positive rights, or how the proponents work around the self-inflicted inconsistencies
If only these people could read they would be very anrgy right now.
gay aliens? which movie does it remind me of?
Starship Troopers?
@@bruce-le-smith Nope. Gayn******** from outer space
I think that advancement of automation under capitalism will lower the cost of manufacturing to the point that manufacturing will become increasingly decentralized.
Perhaps one day small communities will be created on a plot of land where central automation of food, water, electricity among other things is being manufactured by and for the small community.
Yes please, yes yes yes. Give me that automated luxury gay space communism right now! I mean as a straight father of two kids I'd prefer to keep my current heterosexual relationship, but for space communism I'd be willing to compromise. ((:
Actually in the 1920s Soviet Russia there was a special radio group tasked with getting in touch with Martians. Mars was considered populated back then. And populated by more advanced civilisation. For the Soviets it was obvious they must have been communist.
Well, for me it all reminds me of "a secular version of the search for God".
Scarcity is created by class society, imperialism, colonialism, feudalism & capitalism. If workers took over the means of production, we could send products to the parts of our global community where they’re needed.
Scarcity is caused by overpopulation and limited resources.
We already do send goods across the globe, based on need to a degree with supply and demand. The workers taking over the means of production is one step in the proposed process. A post currency state of affairs on a global scale is way down the line and not even the goal of all communists.
You're not even representing Marxism very well.
@@interstellarsurfer there wouldn’t be scarcity if there was an international workers’ state & no class society, capitalism produces an abundance that is wasted, communism would reduce waste completely & there would simply be enough resources. Furthermore, in big capitalist cities, there’s not overpopulation there’s homelessness & empty homes.
@@interstellarsurfer So as long as there's no overpopulation there's no scarcity? I'm glad you agree.
@@godlyvex5543 If you think 8.1 billion people isn't far too many, you've deluded yourself in more ways than one. 😂
I would love to go back and build trobes and communities with the knowledge that we have today
No clue about communism but I sure would like to see some gay aliens.
No clue about gay aliens but I sure would like to see some space communism.
No clue about clue but I sure would like to see some space
Ah yes, the philosophy of Star Trek.
I maybe crazy but I think the left is actually used to refer to a direction.
Left overs suggest otherwise
Left out as well
I love the English language
@@tumultuousvwhat does edge mean
The man has obviously never studied any economics ever.
I’m not even trying to make some stale “it’s basic economics” joke, I mean the actual economics as a science economics.
Even if you had post scarcity in resources, you don’t have post scarcity in time and rational thinkers will try to maximize utility constrained by budgets.
When people interact with each other, they try to maximize their own personal outcomes constrained to the confines of the situation, the game doesn’t always have to be competitive but there always will be a game.
There will never be a true post scarcity society
Not as long as we have "economics professors" spouting the same crap and still using the same crayon brained analogies to 'splain it to us. Dude. There are enough resources for everybody. They aren't being distributed properly, fairly, in a humane way, and the emphasis on one person's luxuries over another's necessities is why it is so messed up. And then when the poor folks start getting violent, people turn to enormous police forces, which...produce nothing. And then they cry that there are no workers. IT goes round and round and round. It's almost like telling rich people to pay taxes and making sure the necessities reach everybody in need is a crime. Uneven allocation will cost you, every single time. So will deregulations...pollution...and corruption. Take a look at any landfill and tell me that we aren't already in post scarcity. We waste so much that we are throwing "old furniture" out because we don't like the way it looks. Look at the appliances industry. C'mon man. People are buying new microwaves to replace that old one from four years ago. People are buying disposable cars and planned obsolescence is INTENTIONAL. And you want to tell me that we don't live in a post scarcity society? Pfffff. As if. Go look at your trashcan. Better yet, why don't you save all your trash for a year and pile it on your front lawn and tell me you live in society where scarcity is driving the markets.
Cap’n Communism’s Oops! All Infighting
I'm like a posadist but just about the part with uranium
"Humans aren't good enough for communism."
Translation: People don't do what I tell them when I tell them the way I tell them because they're not good enough to recognize my vision of the future.
Every time it's been tried it's failed, maybe the problem is the theory and not 'people am bad'
No its definitely the people. Because these visions are corrupted by self interest and creating oppression against undesirable groups. If they weren't so humanely flawed it'd be a lot easier to recognize the visions as a worthwhile endeavor.
What you say is quite dismissive. Failure does not mean something should be discarded, rather we learn from it for the future. Do you think that what we have in place now is completely opposite to your "translation"?
What the quote is saying is that people have been conditioned to the current way of life - one under capitalism, not excluding other long-term sociocultural factors. People are individualistic because of the economic system, but also due to selfishness, which is brought about and rewarded by the system's material conditions. Is it too outlandish to assume they may care more for the collective if their environmental/societal conditions were different?
Before, there wasn't any historic model to look up to and learn from, but now we can build from the paths charted by past failures. Should we not learn from them and bring about a better way of life? Then again, are the people receptive of this grand vision, or are there (changeable) conditions that influence them the other way?
@@gamerf3643 It's not dismissive, it's condemning. At some point an idea has failed enough times that you should stop trying, and communism passed that point over a century ago. It has never, and will never work.
It is a low resolution worship of the intellect, and an assumption that you know better in the past. present, and every possible future. I think anyone who supports communism is consumed by an infantile ego and doesn't care if others have to pay the murderous price that has inevitably come due every time the ideas of Rousseau have been tried. Everything that he believed was wrong, and every idea derived from his inherits a broken foundation.
@@ftblr66 Except it failed for known reasons in very similar contexts, most of them even intertwined in the very same context. You cannot look at a handful of revolutions that were coopted by authoritarians (who then proceeded to meddle with other revolutions), in regimes that were harshly opposed internally but mostly externally, further throwing them into militarism and consolidating the power of the authoritarians quenching the bottom up structures that often gave the intended results, and conclude that "well, this is the best we can do, any form of socialism/communism/anarchism does not work". There are cases of success like Rojava, the Paris Commune, areas of Spain under libertarian communism/anarchism, Zapatistas, etc. Many of these were brutally crushed, sometimes by the right, sometimes by the authoritarians claiming to be communists.
Marx himself thought communism would arise in post-scarcity societies where capitalism was more "developed". What we saw instead is it being able to get "somewhere" in places with huge instability and scarcity (Russia and China, for example) - these are not good conditions to make communism according to the most basic theory. Should, for example, the German Revolution have gone another way, maybe things would have been different... As early as 1918 German revolutionaries (think of Rosa Luxemburg) were critiquing the attitudes of Lenin, which were made a lot worse by Stalin. They were killed by a collusion between social democrats and proto-fascists...