Quest 2 Upgrade to Quest 3? PSVR2 or Quest 3? Pico 4 or Quest 3? Your Questions Answered!
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Karl, I appreciate your content. I'd very much like it if you did more demonstrating while explaining though. We rarely get to see you in the rig, or using any of the tech you relay your feedback and advice on. I do recall once upon a time you used to demo the gear more than you do now. Fot me personally, especially when talking about new tech, I like to see visual examples as well as explanations. Understandably, VR is hard to capture this, as it's all recorded in one eye, but still better than nothing. Just saying, and I may be in the minority, but if you're telling us a headset is good for sim racing as an example, it would be helpful to see it running, with performance stats etc. Thanks, Ryan.
I totally respect your perspective, but for me, it is the other way around. I know all the specs and information as well as how the products look from other videos. I mostly come here because throughout the years, I always find Karl's opinions are the most accurate ones, at least according to me. Most of the time, I don't ever watch the video, I just listen to him talk like in a podcast 😂
@@MegaIronica There is that of course, I agree, and also do the same when listening to his informed videos.. With his thoughts and visual examples though, for me that would work better. Case and point, he mentioned the new Quest 3 worked well in ACC using a 3080. With virtual desktop settings set a specific way. I'd say this is subjective, and if I could see it working well, the performance stats, and some gameplay, possibly I could then know where to troubleshoot if I was not achieving close to the same performance and visuals, with the same specs. It's impossible without knowing for sure, as much as Karl is trustworthy. The amount of time fiddling with settings that could consume, could be time wasted for a visual look that I may consider to be rubbish, but subjectively Karl may think is okay. You see my point.
I'll take your comment on board mate thanks, please just also remember this is not my full time job so I do not always have time available to add extra polish to my videos (which actually take way more time than you would think).
All my reviews always show the assembly, a detailed look at each part and of course I demonstrate whatever it is in use, this was a just a very quick Q&A video.
@@KarlGosling Thanks Karl. I had no idea UA-cam isn't your full-time job. Fair point.
I went from Q2 to Q3 for simracing. The biggest difference that i noticed why Q3 is much better is better edge to edge clarity/sweetspot of pancake lenses, lens do not fog up like in Q2, my forehead isn't sweating anymore. I could hardly race on Q2 for 20min because all those issues, on Q3 i can race for 1 hour without problem. Q3 is amazing.
How is the latency compared to the Q2? I’m planning to use it hard wired (link cable) to the pc. Some say it’s somewhat the same as the Q2 but others mentioning it’s far over 40 ms.
Lenses are huuuuge in terms of the end user experience. Big, clear lenses are a must for VR in 2023
Depends on the graphics settings. Getting 46 ms in dirt rally 2 rtx 2080ti link cable, optimized settings 80 fps with some drops to 75 but not really noticeable in game. Game runs beautifully.@@johanpostma3069
Thank you for being clear and to the point.
I had almost every highend pc vr headset(star vr one,varjo vr 3,pimax 8kx,pimax crystal) The pimax crystal has the clearest picture but with alot off shortcomings for me.
I hated the warping on the sides off the lenses and the blooming in dark scenes..
It took me out off the immersion and those batteries needed when wired.. I sold it..
Now i have the quest 3 also and for the price its a no brainer... And the wireless is am
azing on a good highend pc setup with wifi 6e..
The clarity is amazing with some slight screendoor.. Also nice colors and brightness.. So you have great wireless,fun mix reality(wish the passthrough was better tho) and standalone gaming..
And the lenses are the best i have seen..This is a nice one too have till we get something better(maybe a new valve,and hopefully micro oled with a nice field off view)
Once you do get setup with the new router Karl it might be good to see you test this/setup your dedicated router. Good content.
That's the plan!
Thanks for addressing my question (Pico4 latency vs the Quest 3). Just to say, you were right, I checked, and I am now using a higher resolution picture which accounts for the extra latency. I'll live with it, as AV1 encoding looks great.👍
Ah perfect!
if you sideload qgo quest game optimizer you can take advantage of the performance upgrades on standalone quest games.
Interesting...just goes to show how individual VR is. Personally I can only get 104 degrees FOV on the Q3 but I do get 112 degrees on the Crystal with the wide FOV lenses and 102 with the normal 35ppd lenses....and I agree with most people out there the Index controllers are the gold standard for VR controllers which obviously you don't like them. VR is so subjective and individual :) it's a real mixed bag and different experiences for different people. Keep up the good work though :)
after messing around with mine for a few days I have to say I am loving the mixed reality aspect of it. I don't have a lot of space and playing the thrill of the fight in AR is a god send. no longer do I have to worry about punching walls.
Exactly, however the black and white passthrough is also enough for that in Quest 2 (just updated mine recently, hoping to never punch anything again).
Ya but other than that? Come on...the passthrough is muck.
@@Substance2020Yeah, but then it's 5 hundred bucks for the upgrade, again! :D
@@heyheyhophop From crap to liquid muck. What a time to be alive!
@@Substance2020 I agree on that :)
Karl, you are the only one who can make me more excited for the Quest 3 again... I have the Q2 and Pico4 and use mainly the Pico4 for PCVR... it is not really a question wether to buy it or not (my Q2 has some problems). I have to wait until it is available in Malaysia, because that's where I'm gonna buy it (about 200$ cheaper than where I live (Thailand)...
For PCVR there's a big improvement over the Pico 4!
@@KarlGosling I can't even imagine how much better it can be. I'm already very happy with PCVR I have with the Pico4! (using a 3080 and i5 12th gen). I do however expect improvement in Latency when I buy a wifi6e router for the Quest3
Tip, if anyone is getting bad frame rates over wireless. Use a cat 6 eathernet cable direct from router/modem to PC. 5G minimum.
After using the Quest 2 mainly for Standalone and the Pico 4 for PCVR for a year, i replaced both of them with the Quest 3. But especially for Standalone i would strongly recommend the Quest 3 due to it's much better performance. Some of my favourite games already benefit of the higher performance. I can play First Person Tennis VR in 120Hz at the highest resolution (x1.6 resolution scale, which is insanely sharp). Also i recently discovered Grid Legends, which got really bad reviews for the Quest 2, but now runs at 125% resolution scale at 90Hz on the Quest 3. Of course this is no comparison to a PCVR Sim Racing game, but it's a ton of fun for casual racing and the graphics are really decent now, especially for a standalone device.
Great to hear!
Another great review, thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video call I know the answers to these questions but I like hearing your point of view. We know you're going to tell the truth. The quest 3 is a great headset for the money I did not like the quest to at all I'm a sim racer It works perfect video viewing or works perfect. If you have the money and base stations I would also get the big screen beyond if you like PCVR I know I am
Im personally using the Orbi 3 pack 960 series Mesh Network Router and Repeaters and it works amazingly best descision i ever made for a purchase but extremely expensive but in my opinion veryh well worth it.
Cant wait for your router test, im in the same situation now
Appreciate the good answers for typical questions - well done ✌️☀️🤩🇩🇰🤗
My pleasure 😊
great video but I think you are mistaken about Quest 3 vs Pico 4. They are both 4k per eye but the total pixel count of the Pico 4 is slightly higher than Q3.
I guess the comments asking about the Big Screen were asking in terms of PCVR use. E.g. if you were buying a new headset just for PCVR, what are the pros and cons of BS Beyond, versus Quest 3, versus G2 etc.
Of course, most of your viewers will know the main differences by now. But it would be nice to hear what you think of the BSB's clarity v Q3 in PCVR.
Talking of Q3 in PCVR mode, how long does the battery last? It's an issue for long sim racing and flying sessions.
Totally agree mate, we all have different eyes, heads and hands!
Okay MQ3 on my end of the year wishlist, check !
My PSVR2 experience has been pretty enjoyable so far. I'd give it a solid 4 🌟.
Red Matter 2 is the absolute sharpest VR experience I've seen on the PS5 so far. This is the first game I finished on the VR2.
GT7 is my #1 VR game by far. I'm a daily driver, and I love it. The sweet spot is like the clitorus. It's illusive, but once you find it, it's game on!
My GT7 + PSVR2 + NLR GT Lite Pro experience has been amazing. I'm 100% IN the cockpit IN Japan or Italy. I'm nowhere near my livingroom.
GT7 in VR2 is like being with a beautiful woman. GT7 without VR2 is like a dry handjob.
Pavlov is amazingly scary to play. Situational awareness is a must. Violence of action is required. It definitely satisfies my (retired) military mindset. Play to win!
No Man's Sky is also beautiful in VR. This came isn't for casual gaming. It's a series time investment. But the experience is literally up to you.
All other PSVR2 games seem like demos and gimmicks.
What can not be understated is how much better the Q3 performs over the G2 and WMR. It's not even close (G2, Q3 and Q2 owner)
Totally agree. Its jaw dropping how much better games like Half Life Alyx look & perform on the Q3. Within its first few hours of use the Q3 quickly became my favorite headset and I currently own the G2 & PSVR 2
Thanks I need this feedback. Currently have the G2 and HATE the controllers as a result only really use for sim racing. On the verge or Quest 3 purchase. 😊
@@knowledgeis5855 the pancake lenses on the q3 were a game changer for me. And the controllers are fantastic, they fit well in the hand and the battery life & smaller profile are a night & day difference over the g2 controllers
Thanks for the info@@TheTylerpoe. I had the CV1 from day 1. Those controllers are infinitely better than G2. Yeah need to sell the G2 and move on.
I just sold my G2 after getting the Q3. In most gamesQ3 blows the G2 out of the water. However, in flight games, it is the other way around. While the clarity is much better in Q3 and almost everything else, like tracking, controllers, and FOV, the horsepower it takes the GPU to compress the signal does affect the performance. I run MSFS 2020 at Ultra + High settings, and with a 3090, I get 40-50 fps with the G2 using OpenXR Toolkit. However, this is because DLSS works great with the G2. It is not the case for Quest headsets. DLSS looks horrible in the Quest. So, I had to deactivate it and lose the performance boost. Now, I am running medium to high settings and barely getting 30 fps on the Quest 3. However, flight sim is almost the only exception. It must also have something to do with the fact that Microsoft the G2 is almost specifically to run MSFS, so it makes sense that it is more optimized for it.
I will be getting gigabyte internet installed in a couple of weeks. it comes with a wifi 6 router. can't wait to try it out.
Is it a wifi 6E router? If not, the headset will only use Wifi 5ghz band. It has to be a WIFI 6E router for Quest 3 for the fastest speed.
@@Private-Hudson I don't know at the moment but i will look it up.
I don’t think the question about PSVR2 vs Q3 is from people who don’t know how it works. This is my situation: I own a PS5 and I don’t own a good PC. Should I pay $500 for the headset for my PS5, get OLED screen but worse lenses, get better performance but less games, or I should opt out for Quest 3 and get better lenses, untethered experience, but slightly worse graphics. There are exclusive games on both platforms but also a lot of cross platform games. And why I understand pros and cons for both options, I keep thinking if I need to buy one or another
Yeah I suppose it's a bit like saying should you get a PS or Xbox if you look at it that way.
ps5 needs subscription to play online. In the long run what you paid in subscription u could've saved for a gpu.
Not to mention they close servers your investment is a singleplayer brick at that point.
I have both , and I prefer psvr2 for better graphics and haptic it's really nice (gt7 , re village ,crossfire ,synapse)but you will be limited for games only on ps5 , no watching movie or AR or connecting it to PC (which I have but I hate tweaking settings all the time)
On quest 2, wired was such better quality than wireless however, I only noticed it on very detailed graphically intense games like cyberpunk(using vorpx or depth3d).
I think it's because the image is compressed more losing more quality. Probably using lossy compression. I was using 5 ghz speed. The image looked muddy but interesting the muddy effect was in the same places in the 3d world. As if the same textures were always compressed the same. Probably need to compare to a wire that allows for higher speed than wifi or else what you are saying is true.
The difference in quality was night and day.
Have you noticed and jagged edges in the quest 3? People are saying it’s because of the way they tilted the lenses. The picture looks great just some slight jaggies alone straight lines
Thanks for the video. You said the Quest 3 has a higher resolution than the Pico 4.The Pico 4 is 2160 x 2160 per eye, but according to the specs I have seen, the Quest 3 is 2064 x 2208. Seems like the Pico 4 wins there, albeit very slightly. Maybe I am misunderstanding something here? The wider FOV and better visuals is appealing. I own a Pico 4, and a Crystal. But the Quest 3 is tempting...
Sorry yes it's basically the same but it's noticeably sharper because of the higher render resolution and lenses.
Thank you
The downsides of standalone headsets (and PSVR2 for that matter) is the extent to which they lock you into their ecosystem via your library. They really are consoles in that sense. Quest 3 has a larger library of course, but I imagine if someone had an extensive Pico library that might be reason to wait for the 5 rather than jump to the Quest 3. Of course Steam is the most open platform, so if you mostly use PCVR via Steam (on Pico, Quest or any PCVR headset) it's much less of an issue. One of the reasons I buy almost everything on Steam, although mixed reality might change that if it's only available standalone (Standalone is why I bought Demeo on Quest instead of Steam despite it being slightly more expensive. Although it's crossbuy, so I can play it on Oculus PCVR anyway).
All very good points mate, I'm hoping we get some MR for PCVR but that is very niche within a niche so I'm not holding my breath!
Quite a few more games that take advantage of the quest 3 than 1.
The Team Beef mods come to mind. Especially Doom 3
Even better!
As usual, your videos are great, Karl. However, I would have to disagree on something. Wired Link doesn't only improve latency. It also boosts the bitrate and that makes a huge difference. We know now that you can increase the bit rate to up to 940 on the debug tool. However, the software doesn't allow you to type it in. You have to copy-paste it in the debug tool. It makes sim racing and flight sims much much better with considerably less compression.
Yes mate I'd totally forgotten about the wired bitrate, been so long since I've played with it!
Hi, Karl. I love your videos. Today I have a Rift S and I looking for a upgrade. 100% of VR time in simracing (iRacing and ACC). Pico 4 (300 Euros) ou Quest 3 (549 Euros)? What do you think?
Thats actually a tough one, Pico 4 is cheaper and more comfortable but the Q3 has better colours, is much clearer and has a wider FOV... I think if you have the budget go Q3 as right now that has the best visual experience of any wireless VR headset and almost any wired too.
@@KarlGosling thank you so much
Something I'm not finding that would be nice: A "through the lens" comparison of Pico 4 and Quest 3 displays. Video idea, I can't be the only one who is curious.
When you do your review of the 6E routers I'd recommend trying out the tenda routers. the price is fairly inexpensive and the Performance has been pretty damn good. I'm curious to see how it Stacks up to other 6e routers. Cheers
Cheers !
Tenda routers work very poorly with Virtual Desktop
@jmdcovas is there a specific router you recommend? I tend to get better performance with virtual desktop than I do using the Link cable with the Tenda router I have
you should try Half Life Alyx on the Quest 3, very similar to what it looked like on the G2, vibrant colors, but with a bigger fov, without the blurry screen resolution that is on the G2 and without the buggy Windows Mixed Reality software of course
Could I have your setting detail for the quest 3 and steam vr , e.g Resolution
Yes definitely a step up!
As someone who is a ps5 and pc gamer, this is the struggle I’m dealing with right now. Either one basically locks me out of the other. Maybe someone will get the psvr2 running on pc on day 🙌
With a rtx 3060 ti in my rig for sim racing would you go quest 3 upgrade or keep the quest 2 and update the card witch would look better q2 with more power or q3 with the 3060 ti
The color passthrough alone had me laughing at the thought of going back to my quest 2. And the games that take advantage plus some of them that already looked good on quest 2, 100% look better on quest 3. I cant see why, if you're interested in vr and wont something new, you wouldn't get the quest 3. It really has been night and day.
Agreed mate!
I just got a Quest 2 again because I’m Turkiye they go for outrageous prices 700$, 900$ etc.
Thanks for this Karl, very informative. I have a Quest 2 gathering dust in a draw after buying a Pico 4 about 8 months ago. I also bought a MSI RTX Nvidia 4070 gpu . I don't play stand alone games just pcvr and the Pico 4 coupled with the new gpu and VD , it works pretty well. Always looking for that extra vr clarity I've researched buying a Quest 3 , seems to be differing opinions where the Pico 4 is concerned, some say the Quest 3 is no better and some say it would be a small improvement over the Pico 4. I'm still torn as £479 for the Quest 3 is a sizeable chunk of dosh, then I will want to change the headstrap, another £100 plus !! Then a charging dock for another £129. All very nice but is the improvement nearly £700 worth ??
The visual experience is MUCH better in the Q3 over P4 IMO mate.
But yes thats a lot of money so only you can decide.
Cheers Karl, appreciate you taking the time to reply and offer your valued opinion. I'll order a Q3 I think, will do it via your link so hopefully it helps you out a little bit as well. I'll follow up with my thoughts once I get one. Cheers for now, keep up the great content. PS love your place, looks clean, tidy, organised, just how I like it
. Daz, Leicester 🤗👍
Then again, how much of a price can you put on something you really enjoy? I'm 57 now, been gaming since one of my neighbours got the Atari 2600 in the late 70s and we all piled round his to watch him play space invaders. Tight git wouldn't lett anyone else have a go !! My Dad bought me and my bro that tennis game that you hook up to your telly, literally a line that you move up and down and a white dot that goes back n forth !! How gaming has come on is incredible, my 3 sons are all avid gamers too! Fantastic time to be alive and it can only get better and more realistic! Cheers Karl. Daz, Leicester.
Orher people say Q3 has way more pronounced screendoor effect and due to diagonal pixel/screen placement way more jagged edges. I would love to upgrade to Q3 from Pico 4, but it seems to be much much smaller (if any) step up compared to upgrade from Q2 to Q2 or Q2 to Pico4. Meta should have released Q3cinstead of Quest Pro, then it could have been a wise move. I'm waiting for something new from Valve or Pico 5
Karl,
I am new to Virtual Desktop and the Quest 3. I am curious how you get such a low latency. VD reports me at around 43 - 50 ms. I am using a 6e router that only has my PC, the quest 3, and the iPhone on the 6e band. On 5 it is thee same. Do you think it is up to the router? I am using AV1 at 200. Were you talking about the Network only latency reported in VR or the total?
Use only the Quest 3 connected to router, disable the 2.4 and 5ghz band, and select the highest channel on the 6ghz band. Also, use AV1 at 100 mbps tops, or HEVC up to 200
To the person that his Quest 3 is unusable wirelessly, I am almost certain the reason is that something is overriding your encoding bitrate. I had the same problem where with wire everything is fine but on air link it is like a PowerPoint slide show. Turns out if you increase the bitrate in the Debug Tool or Oculus Tray Tool, it could override it on air link as well. If you go over 200, it becomes unusable.
Yeah thats an old school bug, I produced a video about it a couple of years ago.
I can get a rift s for £99. Would be used exclusively for sim racing. Do you think it is worth it or just get the quest 3 and enjoy the wireless vr? I also have psvr and ps4 but rarely ever use it tbh..
Also i have an ultrawide monitor for majority of my sim racing as i do endurance mostly. The VR would be for rally or the odd pick up race here and there.
If you can justify the money then yes, Q3 is way better than a Rift S.
@@KarlGosling cheers I'll hold out for a deal or something then
Bit of a silly question but i have a quest 1 since release, im assuming they jump would be massive for Sim racing? I use a 2070S for iracing in VR... its always been a step done in fidelity/frame rate but the immersion is what i was after.
Big jump... but you'll need a new GPU to get the most out of it.
By the way, I would like to see your results if you test these wifi 6e routers...
TP-Link Archer AXE75 5400 is the router they advise in the VD discord for WIFI6E with the Quest 3
I'll check it out!
@@KarlGosling if you do, to make the most out of it, make sure to connect the router directly to the PC by ethernet, disable the 2.4 and 5ghz bands, and put the 6ghz band in the highest channel. And in the advanced options, change the Beacon from 100 to 50. These are the settings they advise on their discord 👍
Hey Karl can I request a video from you with your settings in WRC once you get it up and runnning? I think I am getting close to a great settings setup, but usually yours are spot on.
I've cancelled my order, I might pick it up once they add the missing features.
@@KarlGosling no worries :) and I understand why
Sorry Karl, big fan, but there´s multiple times you say that the quest 3 has a higher Resolution than the Pico 4. It´s the opposite. The Pico 4 has the higher resolution, which makes your answers to the questions regarding screen-door effect or pc vr latency of pico 4 vs quest 3 invalid.
No need to be sorry mate, you are correct (within a few pixels they are pretty much the same, 2064 x 2208 and 2160 x 2160) I was mistaken... the reduced SDE must be down to the panel type and of course PCVR performance will be down to your chosen RR.
Really informative thanks for taking the time to answer those questions. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a quest 3 as my rift S cable broke about a year ago. I miss sim racing in VR so much 😢
Go for it!
Ok, so considering that the psvr2 is going to work on pc sometime this year early next year, which one would you get for sim racing?
I've never used the PSVR2 mate, but from what others say it is good and also wired!
Hi Karl, I love what you do, But I'm a bit confused about how you said that if you had a Quest 2 ,And you just want a standalone experience, Then probably not worth upgrading to Quest 3 yet. I get that point, But you said the Pico 4 was better than Quest 2,Yet you said you recommend getting a Quest 3 over Pico 4 , How can that be, When you said the Pico 4 is better than Quest 2, Both standalone headsets, Yet you don't recommend upgrading from Quest 2, Yet you do Pico 4. Why not upgrade with Quest 2, When you recommend upgrading with Pico 4, point being,PmYou said Pico 4 is better than Quest 2.??
Sorry I wasn't very clear, I was talking about Pico 4 for PCVR use mainly but also because your Q2 library is the same as the Q3 and the Pico 4 is not, there are many titles you can get from Meta that are not on the Pico so it's a good all round upgrade.
Iv not seen much diff with Quest 2 for pcvr honestly playing Alyx - not 750$ canadian difference.
I returned mine.
Hi, does it have an SD slot for a memory card. If not do you recommend the 512 gb version?
No it does not, only if you think you'll need 512Gb... I use mainly for PCVR so don't.
Hey Karl
Do you know of a decent test scenario to test different bit rates for Link and Airlink? A scene in a game where you can easily see compression? Or where compression stands out?
For me it was Serious Sam. As soon as I saw the artifacts, I ordered the Link cable.
@@SvenKillig thanks! I have that one. I'll give it a look see.
Can you describe the artifacts? For me it's things like noise on Skyrim's distant grasses. I find it's far less noticeable on 750mbit.
I told the wife I'm getting a Q3. Just need the money!!
Thank you, I'll stay with Pico 4 and wait for Pico 5.
I know you brefily skimmed over the sim racing aspect in the previous video was just wondering if you had actually had the chance to play on a sim whilst using the quest and did you still get the motion sickness etc. Cheers ian 👍🏻
Yes you see me playing ACC in my Q3 review, it was great! Motion sickness for me varies a lot, it's not really the headsets fault it's just me.
Nice one Karl.
Thanks 👍
Karl - I wonder if you could help me with a dilemma please. I got a Quest 2 on discount for £200 (net of a £50 gift card) and a Pico 4 on discount for £259 with 3 games. Which one would you recommend keeping or would you return both and add an extra £200-£279 for the Quest 3? I’m new to VR (I have an oculus go which I thought had v disappointing visuals even when new), don’t own any games and see myself as mostly concerned about visual quality to view 3d or 360 degree video content. Appreciate the Quest 3 is the newest and probably the best - but do you think it is worth the extra amount beyond what I paid for the 2 headsets I purchased. Many thanks.
If you can afford it I'd go Q3 mate, it is a big steup up!
@@KarlGosling Thanks Karl - appreciate it
Thank You very much for this Video.
When you talked about the comparison of different Headsets like the PICO 4 and Quest 3, you made the assumption that the User or many Users are playing with a high end gpu like a 4090.
Looking at the cost of this gpu i assume that only a very smart fraction of pc Users have this gpu and Most of them are in the Range of a 3070 or Even lower.
This will bring me to the question. What Are the differences in Performance of the compared Headsets when you Look from a more Common pc User with no high end gpu. Will this Person See any differences at all?
I didn't assume that mate, I myself run a 3080 on one PC and a 2080 on another so have experience using these not a 4090.
Yes the difference is massive, it's the physical lenses, displays, passthrough, depth sensor, controllers, etc. all much better than the Pico 4, then there's the standalone power too, much increased.
@@KarlGosling That's simply because the 3080 doesn't provide good graphics with a Pico 4 while a 4080 does with Virtual Desktop. Other comparisons with a 4090 like from VR Flight Sim Guy or SimHanger put the Pico 4 in the same ballpark with the Quest 3 with slightly better edge-to-edge clarity with the Quest 3, but much better comfort with the Pico 4. They both say, if you have a Pico 4, the Quest 3 is not worth it.
it's just me.....or why people keeps advertising the Q3 for PCVR when it's obvious you need "also" an RTX4090 (....1800€ maybe?) for the "bitrate of God" streaming??
(and not to mention all the involved technical setup of VD, WiFi GHz, latency trade-off, etcetcetc....)
I tried the P3Link and i think i've found a good trade-off for PCVR with DP wiring, even with the SteamVR hassle.....but still i wish i had the straightforward connection of my old HP WMR 1st gen
I think it's just you mate, most people will not know that unless they are a VR enthusiast.
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Some reviewers complained about bad binocular overlap (not enough). How's this been to you?
It's less than some others but not an issue at all.
does any one else have a yellowish tint on PCVR? i found some stuff online but want to know here. also if Karl also experienced that
In the Q3? Not that I have noticed.
@@KarlGosling have you tried opening UA-cam on chrome? and did you test with virtual desktop? I might return my headset and hope for the best with the next one because it ruins contrast compared to my Q2
How does the Quest 3 compare to the Valve Index?
I have tried both and the Quest 3 is better in almost everything, not in audio and maybe fov. But to be fair, it is also much newer technology. Just make sure to buy a better strap and you will enjoy it a lot😊
@@deutrolige is it worth buying a quest 3 if you already have an index, though?
@@jackswift83 the Index is a great headset, I sold mine like 6 month ago, so I couldn´t compare it directly with my new Quest 3. I have a RTX 3070 and with the Index I could do some super sampling to make it look better and with the Quest 3 my GPU struggles a bit more with the super sampling and I can't get all the juice from the Quest 3 unfortunately but it still looks much better than the Index visually, and you can get rid of the base stations and the cable as well, which will give you more freedom. If you have a decent GPU, able to handle the Q3 resolution I would say go for it, it is worth the change, but if you have an old GPU, then maybe keep the Index for a while until you can upgrade it 🙂
VI is low res by todays standards and of course wired only, not really a fair comparison as the Q3 wins hand down.
@Karl Gosling you do get better quality using cable over wireless as you can push bitrate much much higher.
Actually yes this is true! Been so long since I've properly used a cable for PCVR with a wireless headset I'd forgotten.
Quest 3 vs PSVR.. I can still see the question as being reasonable if you has a PS and a PC and you only want to buy one headset and want to know which one is better. Not that I have a PS but just saying.
Yeah if you have both platforms then it is indeed a question!
I upgraded from Pico 4 to Quest 3, and I'm glad I did. It just feels more polished.
And the kids love easy access to games, not having to use Virtual Desktop. They don't care about graphics. They wanna play Gorilla Tag (not in the Pico library btw). One thing I'll say is that the included headstrap sucks. But I can feel that with a better headstrap it'd be much more comfortable than a Pico 4. Can't wait for my BoboVR M3 headstrap to come in the mail. After that I see no real reason to upgrade my VR headset again until they make something like Apple's new VR headset for consumers, with games and controllers. I love the idea of the processing-parts and battery separate from the lenses and screens, being able to place the weight wherever on my body I want it. I've been hoping Meta would do this for years, but still they insist on planting it to our faces. I don't know or get why. Honestly sometimes the thought of having a battery taped in front of my eyes, or my kids' eyes, only being shielded by a thin layer of razor sharp lens-glass, isn't always the most comforting thought.
Just let us place the battery wherever we want. Drop the internal battery and include a 2-3ft USB-C cable for playing with the battery placed in a pocket/on your body or in a backpack or whatever, a 6ft USB-C cable for playing seated in front of your PC, a battery and a wall-charger..
I'll pay extra for you to do less work. You know what. You don't even need to include the 2-3ft cable or wallcharger. I'll use one from one of my old phones. Hell, drop the 6ft cable as well, people who wanna play on PC wired can buy that extra.
You know what. Just release a headset and a battery. We'll figure out the rest.
Hi is the Q3 suitable for ppl who wear glasses?
Yes it is
@@eggyroo7181 thanks 😊
To get the best of vr, you need to run a 4090. I’ll see myself out 🤥
Sure do.
disappointing answer to the quest 3 vs bigscreen beyond question. obviously they aren't the same and have different uses cases but they both can be used for steamvr and it would have been interesting to know how they compare in that regard.
You can only compare visuals, BSB has no bespoke controllers or tracking... but I don't have one available to even do that or I would.
First!
Yup definitely first. can confirm.
OH! first reply!
Dang, just missed out! rats....
I’ve got all four headsets 🤷🏻♂️
LOL YOU MUST have an awful example of the Crystal...I have had 2 Crystals and they BLOW AWAY the Quest 3 it's not even close!!!!! Sorry your Crystal experience has been so bad but it's NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!! The Crystal WIPES the floor with the Quest 3. I own both and don't care which is better I am not fan boy in ANY way but saying the Quest 3 is clearer is ABSURED! I get you are being honest about your experience but it's not even close....the Varjo Aero also blows the Quest 3 out of the water! Love my Quest 3 but don't believe for a second it can compete with the Aero or the Crystal!!!! That is the MOST ridiculous statement I have ever heard! The Crystal is literally DOUBLE the pixels of the Q3 and the lenses are just as good..at least on the 2 Crystals I have owned. ANYONE looking for the best PCVR the Aero or Crystal are the only games in town.....Love my Quest 3 but lets be honest it's a budget mass market product and that is fine it's AWESOME! But don't be confused....it's no Aero or Crystal! Check out VR Flight Sim Guys channel...he loves the Quest 3 as I do....but he'll reiterate it's no Crystal! And to be honest I hate Pimax...tired of being a beta tester for them but when it works the Crystal is hands down the clearest most high resolution VR headset you can buy today.
Sounds like you were lucky and got two good headsets, I was obviously unlucky and have two bad ones still sat here with everything I describe totally ruining the visual experience... But this is typical Pimax QC.
You're not related to THE Ryan Gosling, are you?!
No.
Smh. No the text is not "perfectly crisp and sharp" for desktop working. Still too much text flickering even on VD godmode.
Why are people talking about the resolution? It's 95% the same as the Q2 for christ sake. The difference is trivial. Half Life Alyx is practically identical.
So comparing this to the Bigscreen Beyond is not right? Of course it is. Anyone asking that isn't asking about price they're asking about screen quality, comfort and controls; the same for PSVR.
So far, personally I have the Q3 sitting uncomfortable next to the Q2 which isn't that different. Yes the lenses are nice and clear but that's it frankly. I miss the rings on the controllers that make them easy to handle. Luckiy I have money to burn and will give the Q2 to a family but I strongly recommend if people have money to burn go for the Bigscreen if you don't mind tethered and some godrays.
I don't have a Q3, but did have a Q2 and now have Pico 3 and 4. The improvement for sim racing is definitely worthwhile in my opinion. I agree on things like Alyx though - the difference is not that significant. It's only text and fine details (like in racing, with cars in the distance, fences etc) where the resolution really matters.
Thank you