Annoying is one thing, the organ harvesting done by Chinese authorities is true and utterly disgusting. If that happened to my family i would be "annoying" too. Ref: www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-the-face-of-criticism-china-has-been-cleaning-up-its-organ-transplant-industry/2017/09/14/d689444e-e1a2-11e6-a419-eefe8eff0835_story.html?noredirect=on&.7cc434416f63
In Yokohama Chinatown there's been an ongoing war between old Chinese and newcomer Chinese , which mostly consists of Fujian ren and many of whom are connected to snakehead mafia
You should use TeeSpring.. and so should C-Milk! They have much more size/brand options. You guys are fuckin killin me! I want to support you and get some awesome schwag.. but you don't make it easy mate :/
Seven months ago I was invited to give a presentation on foreign investment and entrepreneurship in China at my old university in Germany. The whole presentation was in English since most of the students were from other countries. Some Chinese students immediately got triggered when I pointed out systemic flaws in the Chinese banking system from a foreigner's perspective (not the topic here, but anyone who's lived in China will know what I'm talking about, banking as a foreigner is a pain in the ass even if you have your own company). The students stood up and starting saying that in Europe there are also problems, typical whataboutism nonsense. I calmly told them to sit down, that I will take questions and suggestions at the end of the presentation, but they wouldn't calm down throwing a barrage of nonsense and even insults at me for pointing out facts, so I had no choice but to have security escort them out. These people are not trying to debate the way some of the other students contested aspects of my presentation in the Q&A, they are trying to silence any criticism and to censor speech. I graduated just 7 years ago and there weren't such people that I remember of when I was at university. Also it isn't every Chinese, most are fine students, it's a small minority of them, not sure who they are exactly or why they do this, nor do I care. In any case they will fail, free speech will always prevail, this be clear.
I am Chinese, when I was possibly 10 years younger, I would exactly be like those Chinese students. Since as much I hate people steering my opinion, I started to listen instead of shouting out my poorly worded rage. People need to grow to see things through, and accepting the imperfection of our own, and carry on.
It's one thing if it's hotheaded young people who haven't learned that shouting people down is wrong, it's another if this was an organized effort and the students were paid/recruited to do this sort of thing. It'd be interesting to find out.
Did you know that Mao worked for Yale in China and had ties to Yale? Who funded Mao to get his message out? Why was Henry Kissinger sent to China to open it up to the West long before any politician? Why was Wall St money backing both the Soviet Union and the Maoist regime? Geopolitics is not simple nor is it complex. But it is never what it seems on TV that much is for sure.
Had to go to work and just finished the video but the university you showed, Texas A&M was the one I was referring to. I was studying abroad when I got the news they had cut ties and got a little worried! but everything turned out okay great and informative video as always!
I inadvertently touched the 3rd rail when I mentioned that engagement with CI at our university (where I am an adjunct) needed to be approached with caution. A professor of Chinese (mainland) background went nonlinear, attacked me, and threatened to report me to the Provost. I saved him the trouble by forwarding his email to the Provost.
The CI at U of Memphis has been brought into question, as well. The group is proud of Chinese culture but is hardly nationalist and shares little sentiment for the CCP. I’ve personally heard the chapter head and CI members praise the GMT and share unabashedly the shortfalls of the CCP.
Strange Chinese Cults around LA prying on college students. I used to go to community college around Los Angeles county(the suburbs) and there are some weird adults who go around and ask Chinese looking kids if they wanna go party. But they can only be picked up by a van and not bring your phone. I've read it wasn't a party but some kind of brainwashing camp. Last time I've seen this was around 5 years ago.
He did such a good job of making the point that there is a balance to be struck, when he was talking about the roads. The point is the roads are crappy in places in the US and in China - but in the US we don't have to have propaganda that everything is perfect in the US. When China overly exaggerates how wonderful China is, it is weird communist propaganda. China is a great country in lots of ways but it's still definitely too authoritarian.
@@Shenzhou. I was watching about China turning desert into arable land and their growth of solar power but also about their treatment of minorities and their credit scoring system and the South China Sea. I think the negative aspects are being promoted here to grow consensus for an inevitable showdown.
"Whataboutism" - you have totally put this on my radar! People using this as a "debate" technique has driven me nuts for years, and I did not know there was an actual name for it!
It's a great point to address because people LOVE to muddy the waters and not keep topics synced and once holes start poking through their argument they use these tactics. I usually end up saying "I won't get into what-about-isms with you. Regardless of who is doing this, it's still wrong!" Honestly you can probably copy pasta that in most situations that get to this point 👍.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 "Meanwhile westerners are skinning furs from Animals alive!" --- Em where did you get that crazy from? Sources please. Because I'm a westerner and that just sounds like someone dropped you on your head one too many times. "Whataboutism is a simple balancer. It prevents you - ignorant Westerners, from finger pointing and blunt racism!" -- So you are saying two wrongs make a right.... Wrong is wrong regardless of who does it. The problem is justifying your argument by saying "well these people do evil so it's ok if I do evil." That's the problem with what-about-isms. It's a lazy way of justifying your side. It's like someone saying "Well you guys dumped toxic waste in the ocean so it's fine that we do it also!" Two wrongs don't make a right. That's lazy and IGNORANT. Be a paragon of virtue and own your mistakes rather than justifying your stances through the failings of the world. The problem I've been seeing with Chinese is they don't own their mistakes. I'm an American and criticize my government and own when I fuck up. I think Trumps a dumb ass. I think congress needs to seriously rethink their platforms through and Media has become a slug-fest of us vs them. But we own this on our sleeves and the world can see it! We American's have love for our country still with the crazy that happens here. But China... well I find people from China are FAR more patriotic than anyone else in the comment section and literally refuse faults of their own through "what-about-isms". Chinese wear it as a badge of honor it always feels like.
@@ursodermatt8809 I think his wife is going to leave him. Winston himself said that he was hitting the road hoping that distance will 'make the heart grow fonder'.
He is not completely unbiased. He lives in China and hence can't afford taking the risk of forming an actual opinion when it comes to topics like this. Just to bring up evidence against the Chinese case could upset the Chinese government. The video ends up being watered down to sepenza arguing how annoying these people are for trying to share their own views. Now I do not blame him for his stance, his life depends on it. There are also many other times when he actually is unbiased, when being unbiased is no longer as offensive.
Funny, ain't it? you can tell majority FLG followers are old sick weak and poor looking here in Melbourne. Many of our own community members laugh about it.
I am 62 (even just typing that number irritates me) and I believe watching Winston (and Matt) has improved my understanding of The World - still got a way to go with humans and their behavior.
Roger, if you want to better understand the world, then check out the channel of James Corbett (Corbett Report). The two knuckleheads you are referencing are entertaining enough, but rather clueless. On the other hand, Mr. Corbett (who has resided for over a decade in Japan) is one of the most intelligent and well-informed young men I have ever encountered. And I am sixty-five.
@@Shenzhou. Well said. And let me add this about 'living standards' in America. America is broken from the years of war for profit. The profit only benefits the few elites (while millions of innocents have lives lost or ruined), and the process has drained America financially. Not only is the infrastructure of America broken, but the moral fibre of Ameirca is broken.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Fox, you are completely wrong about James. Every single thing he has ever presented in a program has had links attached for you to 'fact check' for yourself. As he says, 'Don't believe me, find out for yourself!" Perhaps you are just too lazy to 'find out for yourself'? And I will close with this, "If there were no conspiracies, there would be no conspiracy theorists!"
I'm learning Chinese with the Confucious Institute at my secondary school and I love learning Chinese however whenever my teacher shows a video about Chinese culture there is always a little bit of subtle propaganda but I see right through it
and how exactly does she do that? Confucius institute should not be shut down. it has absolutely nothing to do with propaganda. please, just go to a lesson and see for yourself.
@@tylerliu2632 saying Taiwan's a province for one. Matter of fact, here's a story for you: We went on a trip to China and they played a video claiming that foreigners are treated equally when they're not. And later in that video it said that the belt and road system was very good and other shit like that. Bare in mind, this was done by the MEP and Confucius Institute
@@danieldoel6216 i am a Chinese and i went to an American elementary school in Shanghai. they also taught me that America is good and everyone is equal, when i finally went, it was the opposite. i visited Detroit, LA, and Chicago, things weren't as clean as we expected. my teacher denied any American intervention in Lybia. i left that school, and went to an island nation of Malta, they have a lot immigrants from Lybia and the middle east, due to war, they gave me a different answer
@@@Xi_Pooh_Shill > In my younger years at school China was just a footnote in the history books. I was always informed about cultural nuances of the western world. I grew up in South Africa just like Winston. For me China is a different story altogether. Never gave it much thought and never been there. I feel it's time to fill the gap.
@@WoodenPhish1 I just read the email he put on, and it seemed like the Fox news of "we hate China". Seemed something my old white uncle would like... They admit they are funded and basically FG. I have heard of the other side also. I get what they both sides are trying to do, and of course shock and fear is alot sexier than the plain truth.
@@massivefins2597 Thank you, I actually did not yet reached the final part where this email is shown on the video. The channel does have this vibe, while being enjoyable
Great video serpentza, The saddest thing for me is that a lot of overseas students coming to US haven't learned the importance of rule of law and freedom of speech. Recently I voted for the local congress in China, the whole election procedure is total different from what I expected. I recorded the whole process, still struggling whether should upload on youtube and talk about it.
I'm an Asian Studies major and I have spent a lot of time dealing with both the Confucius Institute and the "Falun Gong" side. Neither side is completely honest, but one comes from a desire for acceptance and the other for desire for image. You can decide which is better.
@MaJieMao Religion has no place in todays society tbh, however history has told us nothing good comes from oppressing people. To bad China cannot learn from others nations history with religion. Best to just leave it be and let it dissapear into nothing in a few generations as fewer and fewer people are so uneducated and non critical thinker that they can accept things like religion. Religious in my country are pretty much only very old people, and when they die. There is almost gonna be noone left. Education is important to combat this. However China has the advantace of being a not free society, so maybe they can win the fight against religion? As they can "afford" to me more brutal than any western goverment ever could without the people rising. Whats worse, the deaths from the extremists they could become. Or the few deaths to stop the disease before spreading? Hard choice, i am conflicted. I kinda understand China, however im kinda against people being oppressed. However you do not need a religion to survive like food and water. And not like you are born a race that is being oppressed. So why not just give it up and live a normal life? They gotta accept they do not live in a free society, or fight to get a free society. That simple really. And it seems they fight, and in war people die.
@@MrDanisve technically, freedom of speech is not something we need like food or water as well, but we are not just going to leave it if someone wants to take it and just live accepting this. Living a life is about more than just water and air. Having a religion isn’t hurting anyone, the Chinese government is violating the privacy of FaLun Gong practitioners by not allowing them to practice FaLun gong like other qi gong practitioners. We can solve the problem without a war if the Chinese Communist Party choose to respect basic human rights which they seem to recognise as a threat to their leadership.
Winston, We know that each time you walk a tight rope on some of your videos. And what is nice you don't chose side, you stay focus on the subjects you show us. Great job !
Thanks for explaining this. I took my wife to a Shen Yun show shortly after we first met and she seemed to enjoy it at the time and never said anything about it. Just recently almost 5 years later we passed a Shen Yun billboard that I pointed out and she mentioned something about a cult but didn't really explain it to me.
"It's like having two annoying salesmen try to make you buy their product." Except one of the salesmen keeps murdering the other salesman and stealing their organs.
L1 that's true I smiled when he said that, but if people want to do chi gong practices I don't see why Falun Gong should be first choice when there is literally a 5,000 year past wisdom already available
I have no doubts the CCP does evil things, but I am skeptical of a cult which believes their organs are magical when they say the CCP is stealing their organs. Sounds like a useful confluence of paranoia and propaganda aimed at foreign opinion. It is most likely based on a kernel of truth; there have been CCP prisoners executed and harvested for organs, but is there an massive CCP effort to round up FG followers and sell their magical organs? Probably not.
@@ghollisjr there is an effort to round up FG practitioners as political prisoners, and the Chinese prefer to harvest organs of religious people in general because they're less likely to drink alcohol, smoke, etc.
Zhaoxun Yan Not at all the same. The evangelizers do not have the power to throw you in jail, take away your home, steal your children. These are not equivalencies and, if you think they are, you should do some more research.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 If you hang with religious people then you are accepting the risk of experiencing preaching. If you go to a foreign concert, you are accepting the risk of seeing propaganda. I'm not saying it's not annoying. I'm saying what are you gonna do about it? That's right. Jack shit. If you don't like your acquaintances then make new ones. Plain and simple.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 Chirstians do not in similar way everywhere in the world, so such reference wouldn't be understood by many. Since Jehovah's do, it drove the point better. I dont think Winston would disagree that in many areas in the world Christians are as annoying.
Hahaha,that epic Chinese music was hilarious.Mate the corvette looks Awesome. Arizona is epic place,please do a video on vehicles there. I’m in Western Australia and Shen Yun is here now. Keep up the good work.
The most annoying thing about my fellow people is their brittle hearts. It seems to them that admitting failure is more shameful than keep failing. Some of them keep justifying their failure by pointing out the imperfection of others. This bars them from self-examination. I hope Chinese can revive the real wisdom of our ancestors in 知恥近乎勇(literally means to understand and feel the shames is close to bravery). Better education, no more brainwashing.
In Taiwan, there are Falun Gong followers , but we never see FG as a threat to the regime of our government, unfortunately the Chinese Communist Government does not see FG the way we do. Simple say, CCP would not tolerate any organized activities that are not under their control.
Because in ROC, nobody takes the law seriously. The Taiwan Civil Government, which is a fraud organization faht selling licence plate/ID Card/, they even build its own army for years. After operating openly for decades, they got busted recently. Why? As I told, nobody gives a shit about law in ROC. The premier of executive yuan annouced in legislative yuan that he is pro-taiwan independence while the consititution of ROC definds the relationship between mainland and taiwan should be one country and two region, and promote unification.
@@Shenzhou. Okay just a quick question: 1.) What country is serpent from? 2.) Who is matt? 3.) Name one project or company that matt and serpent started. 4.) What's special about his helmet? 5.) Who did he used to teach?
@@Shenzhou. Actions speak louder than words! And in the lands of free speech, such actions reflect freely spoken words. The late and great Mr N Kruschev, the General Secretary of the Communist Party in Russia, the dear friend of the PRC, on the 12th October 1960, at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, at a far more hallowed meeting than the mere parliament of the ROC, took to repeatedly banging his shoe on the desk. ua-cam.com/video/l4JhyHz3M5U/v-deo.html Enjoy!
It must be extremely tough to deal with life in China for you Serpentza. As a fellow ZAR I admire your courage and I cannot imagine how you deal with all the absurdities that one has to accept as "normal" and to pretend that its OK can wear you down eventually. I truly have the deepest empathy and sympathy for the people of China due to the tremendous hardship they went through and overcame as a result of the leaders. I appreciate the life I had in ZAR deeply after learning so much about China and its history. We are so fortunate and most have no idea what hardships others face and have to call "their life" on this planet.
Though I agree Falung Gong people approaching sometimes is annoying, they are victims of Chinese government and has no other choice to protect themselves, so please give them more tolerant knowing that they are desperate.
Here is my real experience with Falung Gong. When I was young I lived in a small town of Guangdong province. One day one of my auntie’s daughter came to my house and crying “please help my mom!(救救我妈in Chinese) in front of my parents. She told us her mom joined the falung gong and she became crazy. Everyday her mom just kept doing the practice on her bed, not taking any food or water, she called this is for body and soul clarification. She said falung gong fixes every sickness, all the pain and uncomfortable is made up by your human brain, once you lift your soul to practice falung gong, you can fix your body, doctor is just made up by government who wants only money. However the funny thing is it costs money to practice falung gong!Her daughter was trying to convince her leave her bed, leave her room, look the the world by her real eyes, she said that’s wrong. They had terrible fights, because her mom was trying to force her daughter to practice falung gong too. My parents ran to her house with her after the dinner and came home really late that night. After a couple weeks, I started hear falung gong this team from the tv. So my aunt joined quite early i think. But based on what falung gong promotes to my aunt, I really think the government banned it for good.
@amber ng ... No offence，but the way u speak sound like 50 cent party...May check wikipedia if anyone want to know more what is this about. Seem the example is an extremist. (I guess there is some in every society) I know some flg ppl but none of them act like this. They are just like ordinary ppl and with a hobby to practice this exercises and read their own book. Free to learn if u are interested. No forcing joining into their group. Well maybe annoying a bit when they want to share with you abt it but if you tell them not interested they will just go away. Btw have watched few times abt the shen yun show. I was so shock that it really touch my heart and I really have tears in my eyes when I saw it for the first time . The color and the costume and the music ...So beautiful.
@Brandy Wasay wow, are you for real? Yes, among us there are indeed some radicals. However I am pretty sure there are a plenty of mainlanders who share the similar attitude. The China Unsensored he mentioned is probably linked with FLG（法轮功）. Some topics this channel talked about is actually partially true, but they are massively distorted and exaggerated. What makes it worse is that the number of its subscribers are indeed huge. A bad thing for China and its government. And every government has its own flaws and no one is perfect. I do support my government. Maybe you'd like to improve your Chinese a little bit. You know China is huge.
I find it cool, feel totally welcome to our weird western world. We're not perfect, but we try to be our best and have a lot of diversity. China is really a country I want to visit. I try to learn Chinese to understand my perspective of the country better. I love to hear about Kevin Rudd (longtime diplomat in China and former Prime minister of Australia). I'm from Canada and there was a storm when Ms. Meng from Huawei was slapped with an extradition process to the U.S., and a lot of people were attacking Canada for it. I hope the West and China will be mutually constructive in the 21st century. Maybe with Trump defeated (I find him so grotesque), this will be a better possibility.
You're neutral here between the CCP and Falun Gong but I can't help but worry that with the CCP there is no such thing as neutral. Touching a sore spot without towing the narrative might be seen as being against them. You know way better in your position though what's best. Stay safe. You and yours are in my thoughts and prayers.
He probably just going have a coffee with Chinese department, I don't think an African going to simply jail because this kind of matter. He have no interest on both sides. Just don't advertise the FLG matter in China. He will be fine, very importantly he is not American.
@Zhaoxun Yan You payed by the CCP to say that? Because the CCP are in fact the only ones committing crimes against humanity, FG haven't done anything other than telling you what the CCP are doing. You don't seriously believe Winston has anything to gain being neutral towards FG? FG doesn't have any power, you know who has? the fucking CCP, Winston has everything to lose if he paints FG as positive, FG positive people get put in jail and sometimes killed or "disappeared", in China.
Wow. I'm so happy you decided to make a video on this. I had gone to go and see Shen Yun thinking that it was just a nice cultural experience with music and dancing to go with it. I was kinda taken aback with all the subtle and not so subtle propaganda they showed but since I wasn't all that well versed in Chinese history or politics I didn't really have much of an opinion on it. Still, I'm happy you could shed some light on my confusion!☆ I love your videos and please don't ever stop making them!
You mean you are so used to Chinese Communist Party propaganda. Reading the Global Times is like opposite day. Winston is the same guy who said China Uncensored was an arm of the evil Falon Gong
"propaganda" means "information, ESPECIALLY OF A BIASED OR MISLEADING NATURE, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view" the discussion of persecution in Shen Yun did not at all seem misleading to me. considering the rampant persecution of FG, i felt that the dances and announcers really pulled their punches. they could have been much more heavy handed and about how bad things actually are. ~100,000 people are murdered... every year... to sell their organs for profit, and most of those are FG practitioners. this isn't a political cause or point of view. it's cold hard fact. the portrayal of the CCP in the two shen yun productions i saw did not cross into misleading. in one of them, it was mainly just beating with batons, which is pretty tame compared to the truth. it's inaccurate to call the two shows I saw propaganda. perhaps they cross the line into propaganda in other things they've done, but i haven't seen those. (source: open the PDF here. endtransplantabuse.org/an-update it's very long, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. it explains in detail, with all the source information, how they got to their conservative estimate of 60,000 per year, and why it's much more likely to be 100,000 per year)
@@ArchesBro China Uncensored does have a connection to Falun Gong BUT what is so supposedly evil about Falun Gong (aka Falun Dafa)? Seriously, I'm not trying to be provocative; I honestly don't see where they represent any kind of threat and would appreciate some input from the "anti" side. I KNOW that they scared the crap out of Jiang Zemin and this started the vicious persecution. Frankly, like any totalitarian government they see any rapidly rising grassroots movement as a potential threat. I get that, but I fail to see any evidence that the supposed threat was real.
weesh yes they are persecuted. And they did not, as a religious group, decide to work against an entire government, self cremate in front of the palace, and promise cure all disease/invulnerable magic shield bubble.
China Uncensored is a political satire channel. Everyone has a little bias. Anyway, I respect you for not being bias by bringing up the good side and no so good side.
@Social Network if the CCP was so great and clean, why didn't they show up to defend themselves at the international harvesting organ trial? Name one corrupted governor that says "I am corrupted" without being pointed out. . . . . . Exactly.
Winston, you're providing a great service through your perspective. I love China and Chinese culture, but loving China is NOT synonymous with thinking that the CCP is infallible or is always on the right side of history. They are the inheritors of a long history in which freedom of assembly is terrifying to those in power. The FG silent protest in Beijing in 1999 freaked the Bejeezus out of them, and they badly overreacted, just as they did in Tiananmen Square a decade earlier. Western observers see how the CCP has been trying to revise the history of the democracy movement in 1989, and figure that their moral position vis-a-vis FG can't be any better. Their ongoing propaganda war with FG suggests that the CCP, for all of its power, still feels so morally vulnerable that they have to mobilize the massive weight of the state to snuff out this religious sect, not only in China, but even overseas. Someone in their propaganda ministry should inform them that in the eyes of the rest of the world, this only elevates Falun Gong, which, without all of this attention, would just be a minor curiosity.
Shen Yun...I went to the concert, but out of my own free will, no invitations by anyone. I am fascinated by Chinese culture. Excellent music and dancing. But I was *totally* disappointed when they introduced religious concepts. Not against religion but I was against the impression and the invitation was pressuring. I even took my niece to see the concert, and was telling her to kinda ignore it (she’s a teenager). Changed my view totally of the troupe. Not going again. At the same time, I feel you for the Confucius Institute. Ughhh.... Stay awesome, Winston.
yup the 10 minute religion thing they inserted kind of killed it, it was very strange, it was a 3D map of Shanghai and they show it folding over onto itself and crushing the city flat. it made no sense.
Traditional Chinese culture is very rich and is based on the relationship between earth and havens and the relationship between man and the divine. True Chinese culture believes in enlightenment and following the Tao, or the way to reach Beyond the earthly selfishness and going back to the truth, becoming a True being! This is the starting point of it all! If you look at the arts, architecture, poetry, music, dance and books of old, this is what you see. This wisdom of this culture is truly breathtaking! If anyone wants to take this main component out , that is the spiritual aspect that starts it all, than that’s not Chinese culture anymore, and if it is taken out all the beauty and the depth of its richness will be gone immediately. Man Follows the Earth. Earth Follows Heaven. Heaven Follows the Tao. Tao Follows What Is Natural,
Zhaoxun Yan when the hell did I say it was free? Nothing is free in life, true. But I never said “free”, don’t put words in my mouth. And sorry you *had* to go. You got your own choices, and even if you *had* to go, you “fake it until you make it.”
This is why I like Winston. He's the only youtuber that can objectively talk about the issues surrounding China. He provides 2 sides of the story. I actually used to watch China uncensored but I found myself to have different opinions after studying in China for one year. What they say might be true, but they come off in such a aggressive manner that gives common chinese people a bad name. I'm sure there are also channels highly critical of the US. Excellent video Winston. No I'm not a troll, I'm not Shanghai noon or Shenzhou 😂 (if you know, you know)
神州 Shenzhou you don’t abuse vulgarities? How hypocrite and small you could be to say this while calling Winston 南非杂种 “south african Bastard” in Chinese? You really think these westerners are unable to read any Chinese and give you the benefit of doubt? You will only end up fooling yourself.
The epic Chinese music in 3,2,1, thing made me laugh out loud. 😁 Interesting topic like usual Winston, I knew nothing about this. It made me think of annoying Hare Krishna’s and the scene in the movie Airplane when Robert Hays character punches out the one that bugs him at the airport. 😂
In Brisbane Australia I tried Falun Gong one tme as an exercise in a local park. Standing nearby at the playground swing set (at 5am in the morning!) were chinese people in dark business suits watching the Falun Gong practitioners. I really feel if people want to practise Falun Gong outside of China they should be able to freely without "Chinese Big Brother" monitoring their every move! I was quite shocked by this. The Falun Gong exercises were very energizing by the way.
dam, and you didn't get a selfi, in rural parts of china they will drag white guys off the tour bus for selfi. I know because the bus driver was selling tickets for 5 RMB at the next stop to take a photo with the American guy, but I knew enough Cantonese to understand him and my wife heard it and got pissed. so I didn't get off the bus, but on the next stop I got off and made sure all the people on the bus got a free selfi with me, I just had to let the driver know I was onto his game.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 Missionaries are explicitly propaganda: Their mission is to spread Christianity by any means possible. What Mother Teresa did was worse than only giving bread to believers, because she believed that suffering and death brought people closer to Christ. Now, pay attention, because this is the important part: What does that have to do with China? Historically, sure, missionaries caused a lot of trouble in China, but today there are so few missionaries in China as to be irrelevant, so what do their often-unscrupulous tactics have to do with China's unscrupulous tactics? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries attempting to shout down opinions they don't agree with even in venues where the entire point is to hear out those opinions? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries rewording everything anyone else says into unqualified praise of a country that is, if nothing else, run by fallible humans, just like every other country in the world? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries funding activists and propaganda campaigns under the guise of education? We don't care if they're comparable. That's what whataboutism _is_ , Zaoxun Yan. It's saying "what about" someone else's problems to distract from your own. If you want to spread the word about problems caused by missionaries, talk to Seth Andrews, Matt Dillahunty, or Aron Ra; all of them are popular and outspoken critics of religion's darker aspects. If Winston talks about missionaries, people _won't listen_ because they come here to hear about China, and because they know that Winston's expertise is modern China, not Christian missionaries. Think about it like this: I'm sure there are videos in China that talk about how poor people in Argentina have been on the edge of starvation lately. It's news, so of course someone's talking about it. But they're not the only people whose lower classes are on the brink of starvation, and China's not completely free of the problem themselves, so of course Chinese media can't talk about how badly off the poorest people in South America are without mentioning that some people in China are just as badly off, and in fact were worse off during the Great Leap Forward. Now, does that sound _stupid_ to you? Does it sound like I'm bringing up something with a tenuous connection just to make China sound bad or Argentina sound slightly better in comparison? If so, then congratulations, you know _exactly_ what everyone else hears when you respond to a criticism of China with a criticism of someone else. This isn't even to say that whataboutism is __lways a bad thing. If a government criticises another country for something they themselves are doing, by all means, call them out on it. However, when someone who has nothing to do with setting policy is honestly mentioning that not every aspect is perfect of something they constantly tell you is good, maybe, instead of talking about problems other people have, you could spend some effort towards actually fixing those imperfections until you can honestly say that you're part of the best thing humanity has ever created? If you want to silence criticism, don't have any problems worth criticising.
Both sides are journalling their own personal struggle. It is important as an individual to listen to both and be informed on all sides, even if you do not consider them to be worth it.
@Alexandros K True, although one is clearly a hundred million times more evil than the other. We're talking about some meditation religion that holds a few weird beliefs, like curing homosexuality, versus a totalitarian national socialist state which actually does steal organs and put people in concentration camps.
@Alexandros K Me neither. But only the CCP actually wields that power. Not to mention that Falun Gong isn't telling people what to think about every facet of life, and largely abstains from participating in politics (other than exposing the persecution of Falun Gong, Tibetan Buddhists, Christians and now Muslims in China).
@Alexandros K in my town (sheffield england) the ccp were doing the same by straight up buying property and posting chinese state propaganda in chinese at bus stops and I'm like fuck off commie
I was quite surprised to see Winston with that flyer, as I got one too, and I live in Denmark. They certainly do get around! Anyway I choked on my coffee when I just looked up the FG and saw their logo. Now fortunately I do know that swatikas have a different meaning in Asia, but I thought it was pretty funny, and maybe not the best choice of symbol if you want to gain support in the West.
The swastika of antiquity is a symbol of life. It's arms indicate rotation clockwise. Falun Gong's swastika rotates clockwise. The Nazi swastika rotates counterclockwise. But then, few anywhere know the difference consciously. How symbols affect the subconscious is another story.
The Nazi's were occultists and stole a lot of religious symbols. For instance, they blackened the Celtic Cross and put it on their planes. The "Swatiska" is an ancient symbol at least 2500 years ago in Buddhism.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks had a far worse effect on Europe and the world than Hitler ever did. Do you have the same revulsion for the Hammer and Sickle? Stalin is responsible for 100s of millions of deaths all throughout Europe. He was a ruthless butcher that installed a prison system throughout Eastern Europe and Russia. It's what North Korea patterned their own system after. All of this only recently ended in the 1990s, yes, while Kurt Cobain was singing Smells Like Teen Spirit. Hitler was garbage, but the real enemy is Bolshevism and it was allowed to flourish in Europe. Understand who the real enemy is. It's especially important when viewing a video about the CCP.
Funny thing tho, the leader of Falun Gong believes in a separation of races and has a big no to race mixing and how those of mixed heritage are deficient and is pretty anti lgbt and is in bed with the far right. So yeah, while Nazis did corrupt that symbol, it’s not like Falun Gong are very far off from that corruption themselves. I dislike the CCP, but I based on how I see Falun Gong operating and sometimes even using the same tactics as the CCP, along with cult of personality syndrome, I’d hazard a guess to say China may be worse off with them.
I have watched so many videos in your channel. I even listened your video when I worked. But after watching this one, I realized you supported so much for CCP in this video. 1. About the duration you talk about Confucius Institution 2. Even Quoted their performance. There is a persecution in China toward Falun Gong practitioners.After that, these people were stolen their organs. It is truly that Falun Gong has passed massive flyers and brochures about how bad CCP is and the persecution. However, In 2000, outside China, no one knew what Falun Gong was. To gain the support from the US or European countries, they have been doing this for more than 20 years. They deserve to get the admiration because of their endurance. CCP had had a huge propaganda system before 2000. Comparing with a huge and giant government, these flyers and brochures are just nothing.
I’m just stating facts here, I fully support freedom of religion and expression and I want the Falun Gong to be able to practice whatever they like even if I don’t believe in it
About Shen Yun, I watched this show. IN MY OPINION, they are quite FAIR, RELIGION, but not PROPAGANDA. It is truth that 1. They have made video trailer every year. The trailer lasts 20-30 seconds. => IN MY POINT OF VIEW, Comparing with Broadway shows and Las Vegas art shows, the trailer is very detail. + Watching all of the trailers, I already know that they are going to perform about Chinese Traditional Culture and Falun Gong and the persecution. 2. Their show has 18-20 pieces. 4 of them are about Falun Gong and the persecution, How miraculous Falun Gong is and how bad the CCP is. => IN MY POINT OF VIEW, it is quite normal, especially in Western. You guys have told the stories, that Jesus God has magic healing sick people and how the Roman Government and Nero Emperor had persecuted Christinaities in 300 years, for generation after generation. Nowadays, you guys did not allow to pray before the class or teach about Christianity in class; however, comparing with thousand years of teaching about Jesus God, several years are just nothing. 3. The cost for a ticket is quite pricy and has increasing every year. => However, based on my research, they want middle class and high class people to buy tickets. 4. They has grown from one to 7 companies in just 15 years and touring around the world every year => I was so surprised and truly admiration. A group of ABC, they truly did incredible thing. If the CCP want 10 or even 100 companies, they can have them as soon as possible.
Hot damn, I felt something was off with Shen Yun. Glad you did this video. They were just hustling too hard at the mall for the show to just be entertainment. Winston, you have to work on your tie knot. You look so sharp in a suit but the tie is just a little off!!! May you and your wife stay safe!
@@SESTOFIORHEM But in the rest of the world, copyrights are a big deal; it's how people get paid for their work. It's also become an issue under Trump versus China. I was being snarky, but maybe he did cut the music so he wasn't bothered. People might have no right to compensation but that doesn't always stop them from trying and tying you up. You say "different world" as if that is a fact. We all live in the same world and the sooner everyone acts like it, the better things might get.....for everyone not just the wealthy.
Robert Giles Yeah, I live in Mainland China and when I arrived I truly was shocked by the lack of respect for copyright: American pop songs sung by imitators blare over restaurant speakers, shops plaster logos that one could mistake for Western brands if not looking closely, search engines that work just like google do their web searches. And China wants the rest of the world to be like it. China is built as an export economy. They don’t yet know how to work like the next consumer paradise, if they ever will. In China’s dreams 1984 has taken over and China is the hunger games capital, while the rest of the world are the provinces. Socialism full tilt, which would mean there would be no need for copyright.
I get that you might not want to criticize the CP publicly, but complaining about the FG protests about organ-harvesting is beyond me. Really?! Should they just shut up about it?
That blew my mind when he said that - sad. @ serpentza, that's real cold. No mention on how the Chinese influence popular newspapers not to run ads for this theater company?
FG is more of a joke to be honest, not only in mainland china, but also in the Chinese community in the U.S. All you need to do is look at all the FG backed media and read their news and stories and you will see they are all fabricated. For example, epoch times one of the main newspaper outlet for FG, they claimed that there are more than 300 millions people quit the CCP since 2004. 300 MILLIONS! that's more than the sum of all CCP members since 1949 and that's also more than the sum of chinese death counts for the past 35 yrs combined. The funny thing is, they put this number on their chinese main page, but they hide these number for their English main page, hmmmmm, I wonder why.
@@tarotaro6933 and right there is why you never take what people with an agender say at face value mate. that said I don't see people that are looking at the fong gong issue are finding it very funny. same with the large number of other groups that being persecuted by the ccp.
We'll only know the truth after the CCP falls really. When the communists fell in Poland a lot of police brutality came to light. I understand having a foot in both worlds and not a good option to return to in ZA. Peace!
The CCP would be brutal except they're kind of lazy and incompetent. Its a lot of work to brutalize people. They're lazy authoritarians. China is a half assed police state people do whatever they want most of the time.
@@Jordan-Ramses Very interesting! I have noticed the laxidazical nature of their enforcement. Focused more on the strategic and less on the tactical. It's something Western leaders will be wise to exploit, especially in battle.
Nice work. It's a delicate subject. You were honorable and dignified explaining something that is off limits. I'd gladly join and help fund your next ride across China. Just need to know when.
I live in Houston, Texas, every year at around the winter holidays I always see billboard advertisements , posters and commercials for Shen Yun. Like literally for the past 5 or 6 years without fail every winter Shen Yun advertisements are everywhere.
As a Vietnamese, I remembered one time when I was 11 or 12 something, I saw a video of the Falun Gong (Pháp luân công in Vietnamese) about organ harvesting, and I was traumatized for weeks because of the awful illustrations that they put in the video. Still haunt me to this day
In Germany Falun Gong write Golbal Times in German, witch is basically a extremist right wring Media. Lol. They write Right wing, stuff on that about Germany.
Falun Gong is documented to be absolutely nuts. Their leader believes he's some sort of god, and their teachings call race mixing evil. Organ harvesting claims however, is based on conjecture at best. Not a single study has presented any clear evidence; it's all based on organ transplants being readily available in parts of China
Also some bloody photos Falungong use to convince the internet it’s CCP harvesting human organs with banner written with traditional Chinese in the background...like really? only fooling people who have no clue about traditional Chinese being used in Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau nowadays..
Because the truth is more horrifying. I’ve seen materials about organ harvesting when I was nine and I couldn’t say that I wasn’t shocked. But I was not traumatised, knowing how much worse it is in reality.
I have been a subscriber of yours for quite awhile now and have never commented before but I wanted to at time because of a flyer I received this week in the mail. I live in a very rural area of south eastern Michigan and thought when I first saw this video, well that isn't going to be any where around me. In the mail this last week was a Shen Yen flyer for a set performances to take place in March 2019 at a theatre in Detroit, MI. So I did a little checking and found that they were sent through our whole area. I believe you are very correct in the FG's desire to influence as much of the U.S. to their agenda as possible. Please be encouraged to continue your thoughtful content, I really do respect and appreciate your videos on China. Stay Awesome!!!
I got dragged to one of those shows by my friend, you could see the heavy handed message that really annoyed me, I came for cultural dance and I got a bunch of weird religious BS ( I'm atheist ) I wasn't impressed. I'm not impressed by the Chinese government either but still.
Are you sure you are atheist? Have you ever lived in a communist country? It's just that I really believe that ALL westerners that consider themselves atheists... if they were to live in a country like China or North Korea would soon reconsider this. They would have to reconsider what being atheist means? Everything is relative. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. A fish does not know what water is until you take it out from it. (and I'm not religious in any way). You are probably a complete Christian and dont know it. Just like the communists dont know they are communists... they just "work together".
@@georgesahinidis7994 Being an atheist only means one thing: lack of belief in a god. Stop assuming you know more about other people's beliefs than they themselves do. Your comment is absolute nonsense.
@@CAustin582 yeah ok didnt mean it to be that personal. You can be anything you want. I'm just like: what does "believe in god" even mean? For someone on the outside (either because he has studied these things a lot or lived in the east and west) just using that term shows to him that you are part of some kind of "cult". What is god? Does a priest believe in god? does he take everything written in the bible literally and never second guess anything? No. Does the typical western atheist agree with many ideas in the bible such as compassion, power of love, justice, a higher intelligent being etc (which are ideas as unscientificaly proven as "god")? Yes. When they are faced against real "nonbelievers" they will fight on the same side I think. They just don`t know it... just my philosophy. All the west (europe and americas) is a continuation of the Roman empire... all based on ancient greek and Christian ideas... even the muslims are a Christian spinoff.
Woa very interesting that you talk about this. Just a few weeks ago i was approached as well by theFG religion/cult people. Once they start talking they just dont stop. They asked me to sign some kind of list, but I refused as I would like to visit china again and I expect the chance of getting a visa decreases dramatically after signing that. Still it is weird to me to see the chinese nationalists so extreme towards anything that could be interpreted even slightly negative. It is like they don't realise that every single country has good and bad sides, and that critiquing or reporting on something bad is not an insult per se. Not even that, I think some of the 'bad' parts of china actually make it a lot more interesting and intriguing because it is just totally different to here. (luckily) dont have experience with the confucius institute yet at my uni. Anyways Winston, I do appreciate that you try to give a biased and genuine view of how China is. And after having been there, your videos do show a very realistic view of it.
I worked for a company started by an American( of no Chinese Ancestry) who converted to FG, who also opened an FG museum in the same shopping center as his (relocated) first storefront. He also used the business to do FG "trainings" once a week. i got curiois and after a few months of reading both sides and meeting FG refugees from China, I came to two conclusions: 1) FG practitioners are in fact the victims of Organ Harvesting, but so are many groups in China. Forbidden religiois groups make for more profitable prisonera because unlike other "criminals " they have lifestyle dogmas that leave their organs in above average shape. And just for saying this publicly I can never travel there. 2. its a fundamentalist religion at best, cult to many. their shows and teachings have the same pattern and even visuals as JWs & $cientologists. The pattern all three share (which is always a sign to run) is that theres a big gap between the focus of religion in their public face and early meetings, and what they teach when you are a long term member or read the writings of their guru/founder. The visuals they all use are the yin/yang combo of paradise/cataclysm. Paradise is usually represented by happy multi-ethnic people smiling and cooperating at something, and cataclysm is usually represented by a volcano and people fleeing or dying. You'll see these slipped into every Shen Yun event, and spoken about in their holy-ish books, which are just transcribed talks and other writings of their guru/founder. So it's a real religion with real persecution, but the most important point they make is that the ChiComm government is a human rights nightmare, which none of us needed a magic guru or a concert to find out about. ...and shame on us (me included) for not doing more about it since we already know.
The problem is FG has been over politicised since its ban in China. Now to an outsider like me, it seems to be more like an anti-communist propaganda stronghold than a real religious cult.
I learn chinese at a confucius institute in hungary, I can definately tell that there is a lots of government propaganda, but on the other hand I can learn chinese for free, so I don't care.
When it’s a personal opinion it’s different to a propaganda machine. When you say that you beleive one thing and I can either accept, counter, or ignore that opinion. When it’s a large body of people who are subverting governments and the general populous, it’s another thing all together. Religion is a tool for politicians. With social media, the game has changed but you have to look at the players. A single guy on youtube is not a cult or a political machine (but may become one). We live in interesting times!!!
If they want to propagandize who cares because if it is obvious it is ineffective. Both Americans and Chinese try SO HARD to convince others their countries are so great. If their countries were really great there would be no need to say it, the lifestyle would speak for itself, however, both countries are a disaster where their governments spy on and oppress their own citizenry.
An interesting story I was guarding a senator at a town hall meeting when the Confucius Institute people were there asking for her support for the Confucius Institute and their continued efforts for America and China relations. This town hall meeting was in a rural town And they were by far the best dressed people at the meeting. I really want to thank you for this video and all your videos, I have learned so much about the good parts and bad parts of China.
I loved this, especially the balance in it! I'm a retired high school teacher with forty-three years in classrooms all over the US. Some years ago I wrote a research paper for my Law and Education class in which I researched The Confucius Institute and that was the beginning of my understanding of the "War" that Serpentza outlines here. Do your homework, people, and become disabused of propaganda of any sort.
I've been going to the Confucius institute in Zagreb(Croatia) to lean Chinese for a while now. I heard about such things about them before so I was expecting to hear some propaganda. But so far I heard no propaganda at all. We(course students) would come and only do Chinese lessons. At no point anyone said anything about China today or its policy, or anything that puts china on a pedestal. The course so far seems to be just a Chinese course and nothing more, even the learning material that we use was written by local (non Chinese) writers. So it is kinda odd that they would do such things over in the US. Maybe its a selective effort that they put only at places of influence?
Shen Yun is HUGE here in the United States, so it would make sense that the presenter here (new to this channel, sorry I don't know his name) had a different experience than you. I worked for a non-asian guy who is an FG convert, and he had his business threatened by people claiming to speak for "good people of Chinese heritage. FG had to start hiring security for the Shen Yun tour busses after they kept getting sabotaged. In cities where the Shen Yun show is presented, there are billboards up for months ahead of time, visible from the main highways. They work with the local Chambers of Commerce (small business networks) to get relatively large flyers and window posters put in all the "cool" and "fancy" stores. They also get a lot of churches (and I assume other religous houses) to promote it because of the overlap with persecution of Christianity and other religions in China. Some people just show up because its an orchestrated performance you can dress up and take a date to. But once you get there, you get pamphlets and dvds that expose what may be the worst secret the Chinese Government has in terms of world perception, that they seem to use their high tech dictatorship to provide their elite (and that of anyone elsewhere with means and no morals) with fresh organs transplants from surprisingly healthy donors. Because FG and Christians are more likely to not smoke, drink excessively, or engage in risky sexual acivity, they are perfect "donors" to those who have worn their bodies out. It's pretty freaky but seems to be true. And either way, the Chinese government doesn't want that to be tought true at all. If the world boycotts their goods, the powerful there won't be powerful anymore.
Jason Drake: I'm an American that has been practicing Falun Gong for the last 18 years and every word you said is true.The persecution is all too real.Thanks for speaking out.
@@JasonJrake Have you ever think about what if Shen Yun is an anti-China association which financially supported by the U.S gov't? What if they are lying? What if they are hired and worked for the U.S gov't for the demonizing propaganda? What if they are doing these activities for their Permanent resident card as refugees? Do not underestimate this dirty world and what the U.S gov't has done. You can easily find out this world might be horrible than you can imagine if you start thinking on your own.
Those things happen in US much more often because many people in US have a strong and biased opinion of China. When they express those opinions in front of Chinese people in the Confucius institute, they are liable to get corrected. Granted, the Chinese people may have their own strong and biased opinion of China on the other side of the fence. But those who claim that Confucius institute are just Chinese propaganda tools most likely only claimed that because they don't like their own opinions challenged in any way. Just like many people online when debates anything about China, would default to the claim "you are wumao", or "you are paid by Chinese government", or something like that whenever anyone disagrees with their negative opinion of China.
That's because their main purpose is to increase China's soft power. It is smart, because it is a good way to make allies, and PRC has little soft power currently. Taiwan also has an equivalent organization, but unsurprisingly, much less well funded. Confucius institutes have billions. I used to collaborate with one that also worked with the DoD. A funny partnership. But you can't do intelligence work on China if you have no Chinese speakers... But realize also that "cultural attache" is a very good front for spy work, keeping tabs on 華僑, making sure they always 愛國， and for propaganda. It isn't the main purpose, but of course it exists.
@percynjpn - But it could be either side that he picked. 😉 Did he mean the wrong side in terms of being wrong in their views and claims, or the side that is wrong for Winston if he wanted to avoid trouble? And which one did he want to clarify when he said it the second time? Also, were his hand gestures related to the video thumbnail contents? Also, he's not a hypocrite because he didn't claim to not have a personal opinion. He said he shouldn't communicate it clearly.
The pamphlet you showed in the begging just came in my mail today. How interesting to have found your video and context to this just now. Human interacting is really interesting these days.
I've watched China Uncensored, and while it may have some ties to, or funding from FG, it also can take a more truthful approach to some issues than either you or C-Milk are able to reveal. By your own admission, even in this video, and in past installments, your continued ability to live in, or even visit China, means you need to self-censor your videos so as not to offend that powers that be. Even when you are in a country with relative free speech, like Taiwan or The United States, you still need to walk a tightrope of "fairness". For example, the concentration camps and apparent coming genocide of Western China's Muslim population can not be discussed in much depth. I'm sure Tibet is also a forbidden topic, as is China's recent militarization of The South China Sea. I appreciate your perspective on various issues, but please don't pretend that you can always present a realistic appraisal of certain, politically sensitive issues, without fear of retribution. In many ways, the Chinese government has a metaphorical pistol to your head if your honest reporting of their actions becomes too critical. One can't expect a hostage to always give an honest assessment of his captors. Sometimes "Fair and Balanced" isn't either as Fox News has proven, and drawing false equivalencies is a form of propaganda. Most people in The United States don't really know what Falun Gong is, but on some level they know the Chinese government doesn't support the free exercise of religion. FG and Uyghurs don't really elicit much concern or empathy in America. Unfortunately, religious persecution is a somewhat abstract concept, unless it targets your religion. If the FG goal is to generate outrage, then the persecution of China's underground Christian communities is a more effective subject of discussion. A network anchor, Diane Sawyer, was really moved by the plight of Iraqi Kurds, once she discovered some of them had blue eyes, like hers. Intellectually, I'm sure she was concerned with their persecution, but finding out they were more similar to her, made them instantly more sympathetic. Thank you for all that you do, and Stay Awesome.
Scott are you really completely brain dead? Right now from my neighboUring country I am listening to how D. Trump has blocked United States of Americas federal employees wages for 18 days because the gov won't approve his 5.6 BILLION wall against the border with Mexico - THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE NATION!!! FOX NEWS???? DIANNE SAWYER???? Go crawl back under the rock under your pick up truck. Yeah, you know, the truck that was made in Mexico!!!
Give me a break, China Uncensored is a misrepresentation of the true picture of China for a political end, OK? Go to China before you come back to tell me about all these awful happenings. China has a very complicated mix of people even though you guys think "Chinese are all alike". They are not. Added to this problem is that Chinese are very sophisticated people and quite independent. Many of them do not necessarily share the same thought and they tend to be self-centered. The Chinese government needs unity to resolve its internal problems. Talking about the camps for the U gar minority, for example. Yes , it is bad. But compared with these people being infected with extremist religious ideologies and starting killing people in the streets in random, which one is worse? Controlling the media and holding up dissidents are bad. However compared with allowing prolonged arguments in the public at a time when China needed to focus on its development and thus let China falls behind the world, which one is worse? The ordinary Chinese people are actually better informed than the ordinary US citizen. For one thing, Chinese know they should not always trust their own media because they do not always tell the truth. But the American public tend to always believe their own media because they believe that tell the truth - which they actually do not. So do not apply the Western solutions to Chinese problems. They do not work. By the same token we do not see why the US thinks letting gun flooding in the streets is a way of "self-protection". I never understand the logic. But the Americans seem to able to understand it.
@@teebosaurusyou Fox News blindly supports Donald Trump. It's slogan is "Fair and Balanced", but it has always been a conservative propaganda machine for the Republican Party. It's current nickname is "TrumpTV". The network is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a billionaire who wants to push his own political agenda of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Fox News spent weeks before the last election screaming about the migrant caravan from Central America that would be attacking the United States as it traveled through Mexico. They basically dropped that story the day after the election. Now they're supporting the need for Trump's Wall. FYI - I'm anti-wall and anti-Trump. I vote for the other guys.
Scott, Serpentza (Winston) says things that make China look bad too just like China Uncensored. When people who have lived in China agree with what he said in the comments section it gives him credibility.
Well, even though I'm not interested in your merchandise, I'm super impressed by your maintenance of the completely neutral stance. I'm an overseas Chinese myself, and have commented several times on your channels. But I really applaud you in this video for basically airing my own personal opinions and echoing my own personal feelings about both sides. There is something a bit off and wrong about both sides. Something stinks about both their agendas. And even though people say you should always choose between the lesser of the two evils, another school of thought counters by saying that the lesser of the two evils is still evil. But of course, while I do support you on your stance on the Falun Gong Vs CCP/Confucius Institute issue, there are other topics I diverge from you on, which prevents me from offering you my full support (because, I don't know if you are aware, but the very fact that you maintain an independent, first hand, opinion on Chinese matters, actually, whether it is wanted by you or not, it makes you a formidable political force in China, because China has a very low tolerance of conflicting opinions, so whosoever follows your take on China, knowingly or unknowingly by you or by them, get spontaneously recruited into, for all intents and purposes, your [political] faction, which may well be far beyond what you intend to do, being a simple man who simply wants to give as unbiased a review of China as possible to all prospective travelers to China (ie China is my favourite restaurant). Your voice is very important, but I cannot endorse you right now, because it might make me look too closely aligned with you, and you hold certain views (eg about the evil uncles) that can get me into a lot of trouble if I did indeed endorse you and people can mistakenly think that I am against them, which I am not, at least, not in principle, even if I too, would be wary and guarded around them. Welcome to the complex and convoluted web of intrigue that is the world of Chinese public opinion. It is not like American or any Western public opinion, which is aired publicly and resolved through public debates. Instead, they are private opinions and allegiances, often with heavy fixation on moral content and personal integrity, since Confucian doctrine marries personal integrity to personal influence, which looks good on paper, but is incredibly stressful in practice, since the very definition of what constitutes moral or good or to what standard one must remain loyal to, or indeed, integrity to what exactly, is to be relied upon, is not something that's universally agreed upon. I personally have grasped the best hope of an anchor to my soul and moral integrity in the God of Jesus, the appointed Christ, and Redeemer and Saviour of the world, which, indeed, I believe that He Is, and it is to Him and to His Righteousness and Kingdom to whom I have pledged my permanent allegiance, even loyalty and fealty. Not everyone agrees that this is the right choice, or even the best choice, but through comparing and contrasting this with all the other alternatives I have come across, I have concluded that this is a cause I am willing to live out the rest of my life for. I'm not interested in pushing this onto others, because allegiance to Jesus the Coming King comes with incredible costs, both in friendships, as well as personal things, it can cost you your career, your ambitions, your dreams, your desires, your personal goals, your love of money, and who knows what else, but I've counted the cost, and esteemed it a bargain. But this is merely my personal evaluation and estimation of worth, according to my own subjective values, so can vary from person to person, but, as an overseas Chinese, I can honestly say that I'm sick and tired of human politics, both the Chinese kind, with secret, underground civil wars brewing, or the Western kind, with two or more sides dishing out questionable things along with less questionable things. Jesus makes things simple. I'm a simple man who just wants a simple life to live and work a simple job for an adequate wage to eat and grow a family and die. I neither want nor welcome politics muddying my life with ceaseless internal strife and conflicts of opinion. If I had things my way, I would just want Jesus to come back quickly to put an end to all the human civil wars that have divided us, so that we can quickly adapt and grow accustomed to His regime, and just get it all over with quickly. Anyway, that's just my 2¢.
@@kornfedboy the plot thickens very quickly, trust me. I've barely scratched the surface. Welcome to the 21st century, said to be China's century, but is probably more likely going to be something like all Chinese slowly coming out of the closet and admitting we are all human beings with our own wills and plans and secret plots, and not a homogeneous whole as we've deceived outsiders to believe for millennia. And this is mostly thanks to the East West interface, and the Chinese diaspora being given the breathing room in Western nations to air their own private opinions without death threats from the powers which stand in China. Not that the Chinese diaspora are by any means united on any issue, apart from an agreement that the status quo in China is not ideal, and that, for the moment, at least, until we sort out what we actually want China to become, the status quo might still be preferable to an outright uprising, factionism, infighting, civil unrest, discord and chaos, which leads to all sorts of worthless practices, such as looting, pillaging, murder, rape, etc, which, for all the failures of the current regime, they do keep in check.... For now. So the balancing game of pros and cons are temporarily weighing in the government's favour, but they are losing ground day by day, but many Chinese are highly skeptical about the Falun Gong movement, which, we know, for all their peaceful and cultural and spiritual pretensions, are nothing more than an attempt at a nationwide coup to turn China to what they regard as 'traditional Chinese culture', but, is probably going to end up being a cult comparable to the ayatollah cult of Shia Iran which deposed the Shah. Basically, they will attempt to make China into a theocracy under the holy man pretender who is the founder of the Falun Gong sect. And the CIA are probably, but not certainly, in on it, and actively supporting Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, and various other innocuous appearing, leftist appealing movements, who are mainly used as pawns to weaken the Beijing regime to consolidate and maintain US hegemony over all the maritime trade routes, which actually favours worldwide trade and exchange, which, for all its downsides in terms of exploitation, environmental damage, etc etc, has created a common exchange of culture, people, goods, ideas, without parallel since the Mongol empire facilitated the silk road. So you can see how delicate the balance of power is, and how awkward it is to pick the right side, because just about every side is morally suspect, but also, all seem necessary to keep each other in check to even maintain the status quo, let alone, improve it. Needless to say, I'm rather pessimistic about any human interventions improving the current affairs and have resigned myself to God's exit strategy, which seems drastic and perhaps over the top at first glance, until you realise that at least, if we do things God's way, something can be salvaged, even if it seems like a needle in a haystack, but every other way is doomed within decades, a few centuries max, from now. I'm talking about the book of prophesy, the final chapter of the New Testament and the entire Bible, which begins: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ...." Yes, the book that includes Satan being cast down to the earth, the sun burning men with fire, hailstones the size of a talent raining down, a massive war, and the Lake of Fire. I mean, I don't want it to be true either, or to happen, but the more time passes, the more I have to admit that the Bible is right: apart from Jesus the Christ, there really never has ever walked a truly Sinless, Righteousness, good and holy person on earth, and the rest of us all truly are, for the most part, in spite of our best intentions, sinners, and hopeless, incurable sinners at that, as Paul the apostle, who used to be Saul of tarsus, the proud Pharisee, found out the hard way in Romans 7. There's more to write, much more, but even if I made the fabrics of the universe my parchment and was given an inexhaustible supply of pens and ink and all eternity to write it, I'm afraid I would still fail miserably at recording even a broad brush stroke of the madness and chaos that is happening down here on earth, with everything mixed together like spaghetti, and harder to untangle than the Gordian knot that Alexander III of Macedon cut with his sword, and God uncreated using the Cross of complete annihilation and oblivion, which Jesus went on, taking the whole of old creation in tow with him, unbeknownst to the rest of humanity.
@Konrad Ford Taking a fact and positioning it in a light you want is the way how to make good propaganda. Actually the China Uncensored is too biased and exaggerated to be a good propaganda, one must know really nothing about China to be bought by their narration. But Chris is un-dislike-able!
The difference is China Uncensored says what Winston can't say without being banned from the country. So when Winston says something is bad the reality is that it is 10x as bad.
KC I also agree that China is not currently the most pleasant country to live in. But I also don’t believe the Falungong news are telling the truth. I live in London where if you go to Chinatown, you will get Falungong newspaper for free and it’s just so blatantly filled with logic defying lies. Yet if you search related topics, these news papers’ websites are the first to come up on google.
A friend came over the other night and we were discussing this same topic; he claimed to be a subscriber, so I'm sending this to him... He must not be as regular as I am. Can't wait for the ADV video in an hour.
Yea the Shen Yun promotes traditional culture and shows the aspect that tried to destroy traditional culture ( ccp) and the show is top world class they depict what is happening to Falun gong practitioners which is documented in investigative reports proving the organ harvesting allegations to be true......if someone or government done that to you or your family how would you feel about it ...stand on the right side
Great video Winston. I've been a subscriber to your channel and to China Uncensored (CU) for a long while now. I am not with falun gong, but certainly don't agree with religious persecution in any form. I would love to see a performance by Shen Yun. In some of my comments on CU's FG videos, obvious Chinese nationalists have tried to "educate" me, using typical basic dialectical materialism types of arguments, how democracy is overrated and should be more authoritarian based, the PRC's total support for religious freedom, etc. I also know about the Confucius Institutes on various university campuses. I wonder if the PRC would allow a "Washington Institute" on the Beijing University campus? My guess is no.
I'm not going to try to "educate" you, but refer to links for you to check out, a Time magazine interview with the founder, where he claims "since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture". content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2053761,00.html another is a paper from culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html
Love your channel, but for me China Uncensored is pretty much on point. Of course I understand where you are being diplomatic. After living in China for much of the last 3 years I can personally attest to how GD awful life in China can be. I will never go back. I am glad you are having an easier life over there, especially in regards to your fantastic wife. Best to you both.
Everybody agrees with you mate! It's not by accident the most popular immigrants in the world ! If was good in their country they would stay there instead of moving !
@@Shenzhou. Its not about the material quality of life but about other just as important freedoms and lack of access to justice that is the issue. Beijing is an increasingly nice city to be in for sure but it is also a place where the government strives to deny everyday freedoms like freedom of speech or association thereby crushing the human spirit. Additionally the whole 'rule by law' thing instead of 'rule of law' greatly reduces people's access to justice which also wears me down. Also China has become increasingly unfriendly place for foreigners as Han nationalism has increased.
@@MyronidesVideo For example one day an article called reveal the truth of Scientology on New York times, then Scientology practitioners organized protest at office building of New York times and ask recover reputation blah blah, then police get called and remove them because of breaking public order, they think government and police together try to prosecute them, then they organized all their practitioners around US and protest at every big cities government, what do you think US government should do in this case? This is what Falun Gong did in China, on my opinion this fake religion should get punished.
@@3yexQSx As far as I know, the US government used the army to treat those people, several times in history. I cannot recall all of them what I remember is 1992, 1971, 1932. But I actually don't know exactly what the US army did.
I took a girlfriend to Shen Yun about 8 years ago hoping to see some classical Chinese dance and music. Instead we got bombarded with super heavy-handed propaganda, which was quite disappointing. Ha, at the end they even put up giant words across the screen, "Falun Dafa IS GOOD." Just in case we somehow missed their message in the first 3 hours...
Bumped into Falun Gong about 7 years ago in Cologne. Now I live in a university town with a Confucius institute and the largest Chinese student population in the UK and you can bet I will start rocking a Falun Gong T-shirt!
Thanks for the heads-up regarding China Uncensored. I've been watching it and knowing the FG connection is helpful. On another note, your wife is quite beautiful. Congrats on that one.
That's how UA-cam works. It's actually quite predictable. They also keep squeezing Stephen Colbert into my RT video pages despite very clear messages from me that I'm not interested in that stuff. It's like an annoying Falun Gong propagandist. (I have to restrain myself from writing another essay on how the psychopathic mindset of the people running the show reflects in the products and services. I'm just gonna say that it is crucially important for the root to be pure and to clean that one up with highest priority.)
An ad for a performance of Shen Yun in Charlotte, North Carolina appeared in the middle of the video. I think they come to Charlotte at least once a year. Currently their ads are everywhere - TV newspapers, and now UA-cam.
@@sarahm9723 I don't see what you mean by "gave myself away". As what? Doing what? US govt investigated Falun Gong's claims multiple times and found 0 evidence of organ trafficking even back in 06. What does that "give away"?
Holy Smokes I was just talking about this the other day.....Shen Yun seems to advertise more and more...Monday it had ads on 3 TV channels all at the same time.......they are at the State Fair every year and flyers are in every Chinese restaurant
Annoying is one thing, the organ harvesting done by Chinese authorities is true are utterly disgusting. If that happened to my family i would be "annoying" too.
I have to say, your video is a lot more frank about FG, than laowhy’s. I think he meant well but I came across his video when i was wondering if there were ties between you guys and FG. This video made it clear that’s not the case 😅 But judging Laowhy’s video and this I guess you guys may not be as filled in on their darker side and their hateful views on race mixing. And the living conditions for minors in their communes, the ABC did a good video on them. And JJ mccullough does a good video on them as well. Remember criticising FG isn’t a proxy approval of the CCP, yes their claims have some truth to them but definitely not the whole package they sell you. And it doesn’t automatically give them a free pass like the Century of humiliation doesn’t for the CCP
i see the ads for this CONSTANTLY to the point where I tune it out. I think I see them here on youtube and/or in the commercials between shows that I watch on xfinity cable (it is streaming cable tv from comcast. . . it is how I watch cable tv).
Well if this explains anything, it explains why I've seen those posters everywhere here in Florida. I thought, what is this, I've never heard of this before. They make a big deal about it like I should know it. They even had young men passing out brochures. I really thought, man, they must have a huge advertising budget. They advertised more than the Rolling Stones. thanks for the info, and keep walking that tightrope.
onjoFilms some say they are backed by Taiwanese government or perhaps even the US government. The former is more likely considering FLG was backed by Taiwanese government.
China Uncencored is just 1/100 channels feed by falungong, falungong is just 1/100 anti-China groups feed by US government..just because China Uncencored is English so it's famous for English speakers, but compared to other channels pretty much fakenews are those channels that Westerners won't hear like Mandarin version of Epoch Times, NTDTV, Sound of Hope, Voice of America, Radio Free Asia sponsored by US NED, there are still hundreds of anti-China organizations like separatist, lawyers, dissents, human rights groups, labor rights groups, environmental groups, democracy freedom groups in China sponsored by US government, that's propaganda war between US and China, China is defensive so set a Great Firewall, US is the way stronger can attack China with movies, talkshow, dramas, music, video games etc etc under name of free speech, China can't attack US like Russia because US almost close every Chinese propaganda channels already under name of national security..
I've watched quite a lot of content produced by China Uncensored.. While they might be biased.. I think the fact they speak about some of the injustices and abuses committed by the CCP is an overall GOOD thing. I'll still watch your content any day of the week if I had to choose one China-based channel.. Love ya Winston! :)
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Annoying is one thing, the organ harvesting done by Chinese authorities is true and utterly disgusting. If that happened to my family i would be "annoying" too. Ref: www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-the-face-of-criticism-china-has-been-cleaning-up-its-organ-transplant-industry/2017/09/14/d689444e-e1a2-11e6-a419-eefe8eff0835_story.html?noredirect=on&.7cc434416f63
ご存知とは思いますがchina uncensored は新唐人と大紀元時報とも繋がりがあるようです
In Yokohama Chinatown there's been an ongoing war between old Chinese and newcomer Chinese , which mostly consists of Fujian ren and many of whom are connected to snakehead mafia
I'm a big fan of your channel and China Uncensored.
You should use TeeSpring.. and so should C-Milk! They have much more size/brand options. You guys are fuckin killin me! I want to support you and get some awesome schwag.. but you don't make it easy mate :/
Seven months ago I was invited to give a presentation on foreign investment and entrepreneurship in China at my old university in Germany. The whole presentation was in English since most of the students were from other countries. Some Chinese students immediately got triggered when I pointed out systemic flaws in the Chinese banking system from a foreigner's perspective (not the topic here, but anyone who's lived in China will know what I'm talking about, banking as a foreigner is a pain in the ass even if you have your own company). The students stood up and starting saying that in Europe there are also problems, typical whataboutism nonsense. I calmly told them to sit down, that I will take questions and suggestions at the end of the presentation, but they wouldn't calm down throwing a barrage of nonsense and even insults at me for pointing out facts, so I had no choice but to have security escort them out. These people are not trying to debate the way some of the other students contested aspects of my presentation in the Q&A, they are trying to silence any criticism and to censor speech. I graduated just 7 years ago and there weren't such people that I remember of when I was at university. Also it isn't every Chinese, most are fine students, it's a small minority of them, not sure who they are exactly or why they do this, nor do I care. In any case they will fail, free speech will always prevail, this be clear.
Yes, you are correct! It’s all about silencing opinions
I am Chinese, when I was possibly 10 years younger, I would exactly be like those Chinese students. Since as much I hate people steering my opinion, I started to listen instead of shouting out my poorly worded rage. People need to grow to see things through, and accepting the imperfection of our own, and carry on.
Probably chinese Freemasons. Freemason always plotting. Very deceptive. Criminals cant catch up to royal deception.
It's one thing if it's hotheaded young people who haven't learned that shouting people down is wrong, it's another if this was an organized effort and the students were paid/recruited to do this sort of thing. It'd be interesting to find out.
Did you know that Mao worked for Yale in China and had ties to Yale? Who funded Mao to get his message out? Why was Henry Kissinger sent to China to open it up to the West long before any politician? Why was Wall St money backing both the Soviet Union and the Maoist regime?
Geopolitics is not simple nor is it complex. But it is never what it seems on TV that much is for sure.
The secret Chinese war is between the Wu Tang Clan & Jackie Chan
St Louis IX preach
If what they say is true, then Jackie Chan and the Wu Tang could be dangerous.
@@Serpgamer as a traditional Catholic, that's what I'm called to do ;)
St Louis IX Wu Tang Clan nothing to F with. Also Dave Chapelle show Racial Draft, the Chinese won Wu Tang Clan lol
@@richierich6231 diversify yo bonds nigga!!
My university cut ties with the Confucius institute because they were causing a lot of trouble. Makes so much more sense now
Had to go to work and just finished the video but the university you showed, Texas A&M was the one I was referring to. I was studying abroad when I got the news they had cut ties and got a little worried! but everything turned out okay great and informative video as always!
I inadvertently touched the 3rd rail when I mentioned that engagement with CI at our university (where I am an adjunct) needed to be approached with caution. A professor of Chinese (mainland) background went nonlinear, attacked me, and threatened to report me to the Provost. I saved him the trouble by forwarding his email to the Provost.
But they didn't adopt a Falun Gong institute..?
The CI at U of Memphis has been brought into question, as well. The group is proud of Chinese culture but is hardly nationalist and shares little sentiment for the CCP. I’ve personally heard the chapter head and CI members praise the GMT and share unabashedly the shortfalls of the CCP.
Strange Chinese Cults around LA prying on college students.
I used to go to community college around Los Angeles county(the suburbs) and there are some weird adults who go around and ask Chinese looking kids if they wanna go party. But they can only be picked up by a van and not bring your phone. I've read it wasn't a party but some kind of brainwashing camp. Last time I've seen this was around 5 years ago.
"two annoying salesmen trying to sell you their product"
welcome to america, winston.
I scrolled down to comment but the top comment was already there: "I feel like you’re walking a fine line. Stay safe. Stay awesome."
He did such a good job of making the point that there is a balance to be struck, when he was talking about the roads. The point is the roads are crappy in places in the US and in China - but in the US we don't have to have propaganda that everything is perfect in the US. When China overly exaggerates how wonderful China is, it is weird communist propaganda. China is a great country in lots of ways but it's still definitely too authoritarian.
@@Shenzhou. I was watching about China turning desert into arable land and their growth of solar power but also about their treatment of minorities and their credit scoring system and the South China Sea. I think the negative aspects are being promoted here to grow consensus for an inevitable showdown.
"Whataboutism" - you have totally put this on my radar!
People using this as a "debate" technique has driven me nuts for years, and I did not know there was an actual name for it!
It's a great term to be aware of. I often dead drop the phrase to keep a discussion on track.
My parents use this all the time. Drives me up the wall.
It's a great point to address because people LOVE to muddy the waters and not keep topics synced and once holes start poking through their argument they use these tactics. I usually end up saying "I won't get into what-about-isms with you. Regardless of who is doing this, it's still wrong!" Honestly you can probably copy pasta that in most situations that get to this point 👍.
It's like a weird, bastardized, toxic form of contrarianism
@@zhaoxunyan4016 "Meanwhile westerners are skinning furs from Animals alive!" --- Em where did you get that crazy from? Sources please. Because I'm a westerner and that just sounds like someone dropped you on your head one too many times.
"Whataboutism is a simple balancer. It prevents you - ignorant Westerners, from finger pointing and blunt racism!" -- So you are saying two wrongs make a right.... Wrong is wrong regardless of who does it. The problem is justifying your argument by saying "well these people do evil so it's ok if I do evil." That's the problem with what-about-isms. It's a lazy way of justifying your side. It's like someone saying "Well you guys dumped toxic waste in the ocean so it's fine that we do it also!" Two wrongs don't make a right. That's lazy and IGNORANT. Be a paragon of virtue and own your mistakes rather than justifying your stances through the failings of the world.
The problem I've been seeing with Chinese is they don't own their mistakes. I'm an American and criticize my government and own when I fuck up. I think Trumps a dumb ass. I think congress needs to seriously rethink their platforms through and Media has become a slug-fest of us vs them. But we own this on our sleeves and the world can see it! We American's have love for our country still with the crazy that happens here. But China... well I find people from China are FAR more patriotic than anyone else in the comment section and literally refuse faults of their own through "what-about-isms". Chinese wear it as a badge of honor it always feels like.
I feel like you’re walking a fine line. Stay safe. Stay awesome.
Personally I think he was pretty neutral about this, at least as neutral as he can be and still be true to himself. But... I know what you mean.
@@Kadotus , yes, an extremely fine line. i mean his wife is still in china.
@@ursodermatt8809 I think his wife is going to leave him. Winston himself said that he was hitting the road hoping that distance will 'make the heart grow fonder'.
@@glennw.4570 that wouldn't stop the ccp thugs from intimidating his wife and her family
@Michael Willow get a life
Shen Yun advertisement runs during this video LOL!!!
You are the most unbiased journalist, best reporting on China. I wish there were more creative people like you on UA-cam.
Everyone has a bias also he has said before he keeps things from his viewers as to walk a fine line of not passing off the Chinese government to much.
He is not completely unbiased. He lives in China and hence can't afford taking the risk of forming an actual opinion when it comes to topics like this. Just to bring up evidence against the Chinese case could upset the Chinese government. The video ends up being watered down to sepenza arguing how annoying these people are for trying to share their own views.
Now I do not blame him for his stance, his life depends on it. There are also many other times when he actually is unbiased, when being unbiased is no longer as offensive.
He’s not unbiased, just careful.
Oh yeah, and smart. “It’s not what he says, it’s how he says it “
@@dimelo3027 Haha good one there.
u got four yesses ;)
This video has UA-cam ads for the SHEN YUN performance here in Melbourne. lol
They run ad campaigns incessantly around melb. It's a spectacle to be sure but when one has context it is kind of hard to enjoy.
Sydney has also been exposed to hardcore saturation of Falun Gong ads everywhere
Serpenze gets his cut on the tickets
same in the UK mate :)
Funny, ain't it? you can tell majority FLG followers are old sick weak and poor looking here in Melbourne. Many of our own community members laugh about it.
I am 62 (even just typing that number irritates me) and I believe watching Winston (and Matt) has improved my understanding of The World - still got a way to go with humans and their behavior.
Roger, if you want to better understand the world, then check out the channel of James Corbett (Corbett Report). The two knuckleheads you are referencing are entertaining enough, but rather clueless. On the other hand, Mr. Corbett (who has resided for over a decade in Japan) is one of the most intelligent and well-informed young men I have ever encountered. And I am sixty-five.
Id recommend a book called factfullness by Hans Rosling a great book. (don't have time to sum it up just google it)
@Joe Ç Well Joe, to quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is, as stupid does, sir." So, knuckleheads it is. Case closed.
@@Shenzhou. Well said. And let me add this about 'living standards' in America. America is broken from the years of war for profit. The profit only benefits the few elites (while millions of innocents have lives lost or ruined), and the process has drained America financially. Not only is the infrastructure of America broken, but the moral fibre of Ameirca is broken.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Fox, you are completely wrong about James. Every single thing he has ever presented in a program has had links attached for you to 'fact check' for yourself. As he says, 'Don't believe me, find out for yourself!" Perhaps you are just too lazy to 'find out for yourself'? And I will close with this, "If there were no conspiracies, there would be no conspiracy theorists!"
I'm learning Chinese with the Confucious Institute at my secondary school and I love learning Chinese however whenever my teacher shows a video about Chinese culture there is always a little bit of subtle propaganda but I see right through it
Insert Garfield meme
Thank God for that. Reason why conficuous institute should be banned. But go have lessons at night time school..
and how exactly does she do that? Confucius institute should not be shut down. it has absolutely nothing to do with propaganda. please, just go to a lesson and see for yourself.
@@tylerliu2632 saying Taiwan's a province for one. Matter of fact, here's a story for you:
We went on a trip to China and they played a video claiming that foreigners are treated equally when they're not. And later in that video it said that the belt and road system was very good and other shit like that. Bare in mind, this was done by the MEP and Confucius Institute
@@danieldoel6216 i am a Chinese and i went to an American elementary school in Shanghai. they also taught me that America is good and everyone is equal, when i finally went, it was the opposite. i visited Detroit, LA, and Chicago, things weren't as clean as we expected. my teacher denied any American intervention in Lybia. i left that school, and went to an island nation of Malta, they have a lot immigrants from Lybia and the middle east, due to war, they gave me a different answer
This channel really developed my interest in China.
Don't go thr.
For the positive or negative stuff?
NdrHrlnd honestly it did for me too
@@@Xi_Pooh_Shill > In my younger years at school China was just a footnote in the history books. I was always informed about cultural nuances of the western world. I grew up in South Africa just like Winston. For me China is a different story altogether. Never gave it much thought and never been there. I feel it's time to fill the gap.
@@NdrHrlnd Chinese culture is actually interesting. But kinda looses its appeal when politics is mixed in.
Im actually subscribed to both you and china uncensored
@Michael Willow Yeah I picked up they were a paid political channel and unsubbed... dont need someone attempting to brain wash me.
@@massivefins2597 would you have some proofs to support this claim ? (Really interested)
@@WoodenPhish1 I just read the email he put on, and it seemed like the Fox news of "we hate China". Seemed something my old white uncle would like... They admit they are funded and basically FG. I have heard of the other side also. I get what they both sides are trying to do, and of course shock and fear is alot sexier than the plain truth.
@@massivefins2597 Thank you, I actually did not yet reached the final part where this email is shown on the video. The channel does have this vibe, while being enjoyable
. . . or trying tofollow me online !
Great video serpentza, The saddest thing for me is that a lot of overseas students coming to US haven't learned the importance of rule of law and freedom of speech. Recently I voted for the local congress in China, the whole election procedure is total different from what I expected. I recorded the whole process, still struggling whether should upload on youtube and talk about it.
I have discovered serpentza this week and feeling grateful. Honesty abounds, something we don't see all the time.
I'm an Asian Studies major and I have spent a lot of time dealing with both the Confucius Institute and the "Falun Gong" side. Neither side is completely honest, but one comes from a desire for acceptance and the other for desire for image. You can decide which is better.
A desire for image is a desire for acceptance. Why edit your image if you do not wish to be accepted?
@@Torgomasta Image isn't about acceptance its about looking good even when your bad.
MaJie, but do the Chinese harvest their organs?
@MaJieMao Religion has no place in todays society tbh, however history has told us nothing good comes from oppressing people. To bad China cannot learn from others nations history with religion. Best to just leave it be and let it dissapear into nothing in a few generations as fewer and fewer people are so uneducated and non critical thinker that they can accept things like religion. Religious in my country are pretty much only very old people, and when they die. There is almost gonna be noone left.
Education is important to combat this.
However China has the advantace of being a not free society, so maybe they can win the fight against religion? As they can "afford" to me more brutal than any western goverment ever could without the people rising.
Whats worse, the deaths from the extremists they could become. Or the few deaths to stop the disease before spreading?
Hard choice, i am conflicted. I kinda understand China, however im kinda against people being oppressed. However you do not need a religion to survive like food and water. And not like you are born a race that is being oppressed. So why not just give it up and live a normal life? They gotta accept they do not live in a free society, or fight to get a free society. That simple really. And it seems they fight, and in war people die.
@@MrDanisve technically, freedom of speech is not something we need like food or water as well, but we are not just going to leave it if someone wants to take it and just live accepting this. Living a life is about more than just water and air. Having a religion isn’t hurting anyone, the Chinese government is violating the privacy of FaLun Gong practitioners by not allowing them to practice FaLun gong like other qi gong practitioners. We can solve the problem without a war if the Chinese Communist Party choose to respect basic human rights which they seem to recognise as a threat to their leadership.
Winston, We know that each time you walk a tight rope on some of your videos. And what is nice you don't chose side, you stay focus on the subjects you show us. Great job !
Totally agree! No bias
Thanks for explaining this. I took my wife to a Shen Yun show shortly after we first met and she seemed to enjoy it at the time and never said anything about it. Just recently almost 5 years later we passed a Shen Yun billboard that I pointed out and she mentioned something about a cult but didn't really explain it to me.
"It's like having two annoying salesmen try to make you buy their product." Except one of the salesmen keeps murdering the other salesman and stealing their organs.
And one of the salesmen are very annoying. And even force customer to buy their product(stand on their side).
L1 that's true I smiled when he said that, but if people want to do chi gong practices I don't see why Falun Gong should be first choice when there is literally a 5,000 year past wisdom already available
I have no doubts the CCP does evil things, but I am skeptical of a cult which believes their organs are magical when they say the CCP is stealing their organs. Sounds like a useful confluence of paranoia and propaganda aimed at foreign opinion. It is most likely based on a kernel of truth; there have been CCP prisoners executed and harvested for organs, but is there an massive CCP effort to round up FG followers and sell their magical organs? Probably not.
@@ghollisjr there is an effort to round up FG practitioners as political prisoners, and the Chinese prefer to harvest organs of religious people in general because they're less likely to drink alcohol, smoke, etc.
I don't believe it for a second, FG cultists will lie about anything as long as they can get more money to pursue their bigotry and hate
*video starts*
"guys this is a very sensitive topic i shouldnt talk about"
*starts talking about the topic*
Because he's a badass that way!
@@zhaoxunyan4016
If a Catholic church gave out bread to a Yazidi or something, that would defeat the entire purpose of the church, no?
Zhaoxun Yan Not at all the same. The evangelizers do not have the power to throw you in jail, take away your home, steal your children. These are not equivalencies and, if you think they are, you should do some more research.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 If you hang with religious people then you are accepting the risk of experiencing preaching. If you go to a foreign concert, you are accepting the risk of seeing propaganda.
I'm not saying it's not annoying. I'm saying what are you gonna do about it? That's right. Jack shit. If you don't like your acquaintances then make new ones. Plain and simple.
@@zhaoxunyan4016
Chirstians do not in similar way everywhere in the world, so such reference wouldn't be understood by many. Since Jehovah's do, it drove the point better. I dont think Winston would disagree that in many areas in the world Christians are as annoying.
Hahaha,that epic Chinese music was hilarious.Mate the corvette looks Awesome.
Arizona is epic place,please do a video on vehicles there.
I’m in Western Australia and Shen Yun is here now. Keep up the good work.
Dude, don't say hilarious or they'll correct you. Honestly, I've encountered these kinda people, and they're not even mainland Chinese.
"I can get into a lot of trouble, my family could get into a lot of trouble" says it all unfortunately.
So that would be going in criticism of CCP far enough to endanger wife's family safety?
I'm beginning to really appreciate your posts. Thank you.
The most annoying thing about my fellow people is their brittle hearts. It seems to them that admitting failure is more shameful than keep failing. Some of them keep justifying their failure by pointing out the imperfection of others. This bars them from self-examination. I hope Chinese can revive the real wisdom of our ancestors in 知恥近乎勇(literally means to understand and feel the shames is close to bravery). Better education, no more brainwashing.
Hope you never get rid of the vhs tape thing. Very vintage
I hope it turns into a DVD ejecting in 10 years 📀
That's exactly the point, he wants something that vintage to contrast with the state of the art tech.
He has to be joking. The VHS tape thing is great.
It's a signature of this channel.
You have to watch 'The Ring' on VHS. It's the only proper way to watch that movie.
In Taiwan, there are Falun Gong followers , but we never see FG as a threat to the regime of our government, unfortunately the Chinese Communist Government does not see FG the way we do. Simple say, CCP would not tolerate any organized activities that are not under their control.
Because in ROC, nobody takes the law seriously.
The Taiwan Civil Government, which is a fraud organization faht selling licence plate/ID Card/, they even build its own army for years. After operating openly for decades, they got busted recently. Why?
As I told, nobody gives a shit about law in ROC.
The premier of executive yuan annouced in legislative yuan that he is pro-taiwan independence while the consititution of ROC definds the relationship between mainland and taiwan should be one country and two region, and promote unification.
@@youyuanguan7230 神州 Shenzhou Can you make your shilling less obvious? 50 cent team lmfao
@@Shenzhou. I know subversion when I see it. You should read some of the soviet training material because you're not very good at it.
@@Shenzhou. Okay just a quick question:
1.) What country is serpent from?
2.) Who is matt?
3.) Name one project or company that matt and serpent started.
4.) What's special about his helmet?
5.) Who did he used to teach?
@@Shenzhou. Actions speak louder than words! And in the lands of free speech, such actions reflect freely spoken words. The late and great Mr N Kruschev, the General Secretary of the Communist Party in Russia, the dear friend of the PRC, on the 12th October 1960, at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, at a far more hallowed meeting than the mere parliament of the ROC, took to repeatedly banging his shoe on the desk.
ua-cam.com/video/l4JhyHz3M5U/v-deo.html Enjoy!
It must be extremely tough to deal with life in China for you Serpentza. As a fellow ZAR I admire your courage and I cannot imagine how you deal with all the absurdities that one has to accept as "normal" and to pretend that its OK can wear you down eventually. I truly have the deepest empathy and sympathy for the people of China due to the tremendous hardship they went through and overcame as a result of the leaders. I appreciate the life I had in ZAR deeply after learning so much about China and its history. We are so fortunate and most have no idea what hardships others face and have to call "their life" on this planet.
Though I agree Falung Gong people approaching sometimes is annoying, they are victims of Chinese government and has no other choice to protect themselves, so please give them more tolerant knowing that they are desperate.
Here is my real experience with Falung Gong. When I was young I lived in a small town of Guangdong province. One day one of my auntie’s daughter came to my house and crying “please help my mom!(救救我妈in Chinese) in front of my parents. She told us her mom joined the falung gong and she became crazy. Everyday her mom just kept doing the practice on her bed, not taking any food or water, she called this is for body and soul clarification. She said falung gong fixes every sickness, all the pain and uncomfortable is made up by your human brain, once you lift your soul to practice falung gong, you can fix your body, doctor is just made up by government who wants only money. However the funny thing is it costs money to practice falung gong!Her daughter was trying to convince her leave her bed, leave her room, look the the world by her real eyes, she said that’s wrong. They had terrible fights, because her mom was trying to force her daughter to practice falung gong too. My parents ran to her house with her after the dinner and came home really late that night. After a couple weeks, I started hear falung gong this team from the tv. So my aunt joined quite early i think. But based on what falung gong promotes to my aunt, I really think the government banned it for good.
@@ardobobo Yeah, I bet that is a true story and totally not propaganda...
@amber ng ...
No offence，but the way u speak sound like 50 cent party...May check wikipedia if anyone want to know more what is this about.
Seem the example is an extremist. (I guess there is some in every society)
I know some flg ppl but none of them act like this. They are just like ordinary ppl and with a hobby to practice this exercises and read their own book. Free to learn if u are interested. No forcing joining into their group. Well maybe annoying a bit when they want to share with you abt it but if you tell them not interested they will just go away.
Btw have watched few times abt the shen yun show. I was so shock that it really touch my heart and I really have tears in my eyes when I saw it for the first time . The color and the costume and the music ...So beautiful.
As a mainlander, I found your videos quite objective. And I like it.
@Brandy Wasay wow, are you for real? Yes, among us there are indeed some radicals. However I am pretty sure there are a plenty of mainlanders who share the similar attitude. The China Unsensored he mentioned is probably linked with FLG（法轮功）. Some topics this channel talked about is actually partially true, but they are massively distorted and exaggerated. What makes it worse is that the number of its subscribers are indeed huge. A bad thing for China and its government. And every government has its own flaws and no one is perfect. I do support my government. Maybe you'd like to improve your Chinese a little bit. You know China is huge.
kan wang 他会。he lived in china for 20 years. Think it over...
@@Shenzhou. Yet here you are in every single video of his. 😂🤣
I find it cool, feel totally welcome to our weird western world. We're not perfect, but we try to be our best and have a lot of diversity. China is really a country I want to visit. I try to learn Chinese to understand my perspective of the country better. I love to hear about Kevin Rudd (longtime diplomat in China and former Prime minister of Australia). I'm from Canada and there was a storm when Ms. Meng from Huawei was slapped with an extradition process to the U.S., and a lot of people were attacking Canada for it. I hope the West and China will be mutually constructive in the 21st century. Maybe with Trump defeated (I find him so grotesque), this will be a better possibility.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 Thanks for the friendly reminder, I've had similar reactions, I find it sad.
You're neutral here between the CCP and Falun Gong but I can't help but worry that with the CCP there is no such thing as neutral. Touching a sore spot without towing the narrative might be seen as being against them. You know way better in your position though what's best. Stay safe. You and yours are in my thoughts and prayers.
They say that remaining neutral only gets you killed faster by both sides.
Absolutely agreed … to the CCP … either you are with me or you are my enemy. You cannot be neutral.
He probably just going have a coffee with Chinese department, I don't think an African going to simply jail because this kind of matter. He have no interest on both sides. Just don't advertise the FLG matter in China. He will be fine, very importantly he is not American.
@Zhaoxun Yan
You payed by the CCP to say that? Because the CCP are in fact the only ones committing crimes against humanity, FG haven't done anything other than telling you what the CCP are doing. You don't seriously believe Winston has anything to gain being neutral towards FG? FG doesn't have any power, you know who has? the fucking CCP, Winston has everything to lose if he paints FG as positive, FG positive people get put in jail and sometimes killed or "disappeared", in China.
@@IRLguy777
Have you ever heard of Switzerland mate? Get outta here
Hello to Winston and the redoubtable Dr. Hu. Too cool - happy new year and best wishes for continued success. Sincerely, J.L.
Wow. I'm so happy you decided to make a video on this. I had gone to go and see Shen Yun thinking that it was just a nice cultural experience with music and dancing to go with it. I was kinda taken aback with all the subtle and not so subtle propaganda they showed but since I wasn't all that well versed in Chinese history or politics I didn't really have much of an opinion on it. Still, I'm happy you could shed some light on my confusion!☆ I love your videos and please don't ever stop making them!
Same
You mean you are so used to Chinese Communist Party propaganda. Reading the Global Times is like opposite day. Winston is the same guy who said China Uncensored was an arm of the evil Falon Gong
"propaganda" means "information, ESPECIALLY OF A BIASED OR MISLEADING NATURE, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view"
the discussion of persecution in Shen Yun did not at all seem misleading to me. considering the rampant persecution of FG, i felt that the dances and announcers really pulled their punches. they could have been much more heavy handed and about how bad things actually are.
~100,000 people are murdered... every year... to sell their organs for profit, and most of those are FG practitioners. this isn't a political cause or point of view. it's cold hard fact. the portrayal of the CCP in the two shen yun productions i saw did not cross into misleading. in one of them, it was mainly just beating with batons, which is pretty tame compared to the truth.
it's inaccurate to call the two shows I saw propaganda. perhaps they cross the line into propaganda in other things they've done, but i haven't seen those.
(source: open the PDF here. endtransplantabuse.org/an-update it's very long, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. it explains in detail, with all the source information, how they got to their conservative estimate of 60,000 per year, and why it's much more likely to be 100,000 per year)
@@ArchesBro China Uncensored does have a connection to Falun Gong BUT what is so supposedly evil about Falun Gong (aka Falun Dafa)? Seriously, I'm not trying to be provocative; I honestly don't see where they represent any kind of threat and would appreciate some input from the "anti" side. I KNOW that they scared the crap out of Jiang Zemin and this started the vicious persecution. Frankly, like any totalitarian government they see any rapidly rising grassroots movement as a potential threat. I get that, but I fail to see any evidence that the supposed threat was real.
weesh yes they are persecuted. And they did not, as a religious group, decide to work against an entire government, self cremate in front of the palace, and promise cure all disease/invulnerable magic shield bubble.
well the two factions already unleashed their damage control bots in the comment section
@@numuves yeah right lol
@@joek600 Isn't it funny how the dude that posted against your comment....proved you were right? 🤣🤣😂😂👍
China Uncensored is a political satire channel. Everyone has a little bias. Anyway, I respect you for not being bias by bringing up the good side and no so good side.
@Falun Gong BS Cult
What happened on June 4th, 1989?
Where are the good side videos?? Hahaha XD
I love China.
@Ramiz Ali they didn't ban the fake media, they ban any news about China from western journalism.
@Social Network if the CCP was so great and clean, why didn't they show up to defend themselves at the international harvesting organ trial?
Name one corrupted governor that says "I am corrupted" without being pointed out.
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Exactly.
Winston, you're providing a great service through your perspective. I love China and Chinese culture, but loving China is NOT synonymous with thinking that the CCP is infallible or is always on the right side of history. They are the inheritors of a long history in which freedom of assembly is terrifying to those in power. The FG silent protest in Beijing in 1999 freaked the Bejeezus out of them, and they badly overreacted, just as they did in Tiananmen Square a decade earlier. Western observers see how the CCP has been trying to revise the history of the democracy movement in 1989, and figure that their moral position vis-a-vis FG can't be any better. Their ongoing propaganda war with FG suggests that the CCP, for all of its power, still feels so morally vulnerable that they have to mobilize the massive weight of the state to snuff out this religious sect, not only in China, but even overseas. Someone in their propaganda ministry should inform them that in the eyes of the rest of the world, this only elevates Falun Gong, which, without all of this attention, would just be a minor curiosity.
Shen Yun...I went to the concert, but out of my own free will, no invitations by anyone. I am fascinated by Chinese culture. Excellent music and dancing.
But I was *totally* disappointed when they introduced religious concepts. Not against religion but I was against the impression and the invitation was pressuring. I even took my niece to see the concert, and was telling her to kinda ignore it (she’s a teenager).
Changed my view totally of the troupe. Not going again.
At the same time, I feel you for the Confucius Institute. Ughhh.... Stay awesome, Winston.
yup the 10 minute religion thing they inserted kind of killed it, it was very strange, it was a 3D map of Shanghai and they show it folding over onto itself and crushing the city flat. it made no sense.
中国制造 Made in China lol, I could see him say that in a real nice way
A Team the angels flying and saying how FLDF was the way (no pun intended on ‘da wae’)
Traditional Chinese culture is very rich and is based on the relationship between earth and havens and the relationship between man and the divine. True Chinese culture believes in enlightenment and following the Tao, or the way to reach Beyond the earthly selfishness and going back to the truth, becoming a True being! This is the starting point of it all! If you look at the arts, architecture, poetry, music, dance and books of old, this is what you see. This wisdom of this culture is truly breathtaking! If anyone wants to take this main component out , that is the spiritual aspect that starts it all, than that’s not Chinese culture anymore, and if it is taken out all the beauty and the depth of its richness will be gone immediately. Man Follows the Earth. Earth Follows Heaven. Heaven Follows the Tao. Tao Follows What Is Natural,
Zhaoxun Yan when the hell did I say it was free? Nothing is free in life, true. But I never said “free”, don’t put words in my mouth.
And sorry you *had* to go. You got your own choices, and even if you *had* to go, you “fake it until you make it.”
This is why I like Winston. He's the only youtuber that can objectively talk about the issues surrounding China. He provides 2 sides of the story.
I actually used to watch China uncensored but I found myself to have different opinions after studying in China for one year. What they say might be true, but they come off in such a aggressive manner that gives common chinese people a bad name.
I'm sure there are also channels highly critical of the US.
Excellent video Winston.
No I'm not a troll, I'm not Shanghai noon or Shenzhou 😂 (if you know, you know)
What is wrong with being aggressive to a brutal totalitarian regime? Should we have coddled Hitler in ww2?
Loll those guys...
神州 Shenzhou you are a troll confirmed by both sides :-)
神州 Shenzhou yes I did and drew my conclusion that you are totally a troll from a genuine mainlander perspective.
神州 Shenzhou you don’t abuse vulgarities? How hypocrite and small you could be to say this while calling Winston 南非杂种 “south african Bastard” in Chinese? You really think these westerners are unable to read any Chinese and give you the benefit of doubt? You will only end up fooling yourself.
The epic Chinese music in 3,2,1, thing made me laugh out loud. 😁 Interesting topic like usual Winston, I knew nothing about this. It made me think of annoying Hare Krishna’s and the scene in the movie Airplane when Robert Hays character punches out the one that bugs him at the airport. 😂
@@Shenzhou. because it's funny, you dummy.
Shen Yun had shows in Paris and it was highly praised even if it was pricey. I have seen comercial everywhere, even on UA-cam.
Not afraid of late night knock knocks, I see.
Ex Boer is safe now in the good ol US of A
Knock-knock.
Not the Chinese gestapo anymore, it's prolly just a San Franciscan junkie.
@@mrfarkyhars9192 I am pretty sure he is still at least half based in China, his wife is still based there I am pretty sure.
Chris C LOL.
Neither side is good, but CCP is worse...
Love your videos buddy. More honest opinion is needed in this world
In Brisbane Australia I tried Falun Gong one tme as an exercise in a local park. Standing nearby at the playground swing set (at 5am in the morning!) were chinese people in dark business suits watching the Falun Gong practitioners. I really feel if people want to practise Falun Gong outside of China they should be able to freely without "Chinese Big Brother" monitoring their every move! I was quite shocked by this. The Falun Gong exercises were very energizing by the way.
OMG, this is filmed a mile from my house! It is at Miramar overlook park.
You are correct!
dam, and you didn't get a selfi, in rural parts of china they will drag white guys off the tour bus for selfi. I know because the bus driver was selling tickets for 5 RMB at the next stop to take a photo with the American guy, but I knew enough Cantonese to understand him and my wife heard it and got pissed. so I didn't get off the bus, but on the next stop I got off and made sure all the people on the bus got a free selfi with me, I just had to let the driver know I was onto his game.
Miramar is a pubg map. Get your fact straits.
@@ateam6486 Seriously? People drag white guys of the tour bus for selfies?
孙耀中 lmfao
If you were to go live in Japan, you could experience Asia and free speech.
And Island
Or South Korea, Vietnam, India.
It's kind of confounding that you're more of a journalist than most who call themselves such.
Citizen journalists are the only journalists we have left. The corporate ones are activist and entertainers.
@@captklausstortebeker2752 you speak the truth.
@@zhaoxunyan4016 Missionaries are explicitly propaganda: Their mission is to spread Christianity by any means possible. What Mother Teresa did was worse than only giving bread to believers, because she believed that suffering and death brought people closer to Christ. Now, pay attention, because this is the important part: What does that have to do with China? Historically, sure, missionaries caused a lot of trouble in China, but today there are so few missionaries in China as to be irrelevant, so what do their often-unscrupulous tactics have to do with China's unscrupulous tactics? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries attempting to shout down opinions they don't agree with even in venues where the entire point is to hear out those opinions? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries rewording everything anyone else says into unqualified praise of a country that is, if nothing else, run by fallible humans, just like every other country in the world? How are missionaries relevant to someone entirely unrelated to missionaries funding activists and propaganda campaigns under the guise of education?
We don't care if they're comparable. That's what whataboutism _is_ , Zaoxun Yan. It's saying "what about" someone else's problems to distract from your own. If you want to spread the word about problems caused by missionaries, talk to Seth Andrews, Matt Dillahunty, or Aron Ra; all of them are popular and outspoken critics of religion's darker aspects. If Winston talks about missionaries, people _won't listen_ because they come here to hear about China, and because they know that Winston's expertise is modern China, not Christian missionaries.
Think about it like this: I'm sure there are videos in China that talk about how poor people in Argentina have been on the edge of starvation lately. It's news, so of course someone's talking about it. But they're not the only people whose lower classes are on the brink of starvation, and China's not completely free of the problem themselves, so of course Chinese media can't talk about how badly off the poorest people in South America are without mentioning that some people in China are just as badly off, and in fact were worse off during the Great Leap Forward. Now, does that sound _stupid_ to you? Does it sound like I'm bringing up something with a tenuous connection just to make China sound bad or Argentina sound slightly better in comparison? If so, then congratulations, you know _exactly_ what everyone else hears when you respond to a criticism of China with a criticism of someone else.
This isn't even to say that whataboutism is __lways a bad thing. If a government criticises another country for something they themselves are doing, by all means, call them out on it. However, when someone who has nothing to do with setting policy is honestly mentioning that not every aspect is perfect of something they constantly tell you is good, maybe, instead of talking about problems other people have, you could spend some effort towards actually fixing those imperfections until you can honestly say that you're part of the best thing humanity has ever created?
If you want to silence criticism, don't have any problems worth criticising.
A lot of journalists these days are confusing activism with journalism. I wouldn't be surprised if it's being taught as such in colleges.
Both sides are journalling their own personal struggle. It is important as an individual to listen to both and be informed on all sides, even if you do not consider them to be worth it.
One may be annoying, the other is an existential threat to the world.
Yes, depends on what Chinese think as threat.
@Alexandros K True, although one is clearly a hundred million times more evil than the other. We're talking about some meditation religion that holds a few weird beliefs, like curing homosexuality, versus a totalitarian national socialist state which actually does steal organs and put people in concentration camps.
@Alexandros K Me neither. But only the CCP actually wields that power.
Not to mention that Falun Gong isn't telling people what to think about every facet of life, and largely abstains from participating in politics (other than exposing the persecution of Falun Gong, Tibetan Buddhists, Christians and now Muslims in China).
This.
@Alexandros K in my town (sheffield england) the ccp were doing the same by straight up buying property and posting chinese state propaganda in chinese at bus stops and I'm like fuck off commie
I was quite surprised to see Winston with that flyer, as I got one too, and I live in Denmark. They certainly do get around!
Anyway I choked on my coffee when I just looked up the FG and saw their logo. Now fortunately I do know that swatikas have a different meaning in Asia, but I thought it was pretty funny, and maybe not the best choice of symbol if you want to gain support in the West.
The swastika of antiquity is a symbol of life. It's arms indicate rotation clockwise. Falun Gong's swastika rotates clockwise. The Nazi swastika rotates counterclockwise. But then, few anywhere know the difference consciously. How symbols affect the subconscious is another story.
@@rohjo Oof. I'm Jewish and I know that feel.
The Nazi's were occultists and stole a lot of religious symbols. For instance, they blackened the Celtic Cross and put it on their planes. The "Swatiska" is an ancient symbol at least 2500 years ago in Buddhism.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks had a far worse effect on Europe and the world than Hitler ever did. Do you have the same revulsion for the Hammer and Sickle? Stalin is responsible for 100s of millions of deaths all throughout Europe. He was a ruthless butcher that installed a prison system throughout Eastern Europe and Russia. It's what North Korea patterned their own system after. All of this only recently ended in the 1990s, yes, while Kurt Cobain was singing Smells Like Teen Spirit. Hitler was garbage, but the real enemy is Bolshevism and it was allowed to flourish in Europe. Understand who the real enemy is. It's especially important when viewing a video about the CCP.
Funny thing tho, the leader of Falun Gong believes in a separation of races and has a big no to race mixing and how those of mixed heritage are deficient and is pretty anti lgbt and is in bed with the far right. So yeah, while Nazis did corrupt that symbol, it’s not like Falun Gong are very far off from that corruption themselves. I dislike the CCP, but I based on how I see Falun Gong operating and sometimes even using the same tactics as the CCP, along with cult of personality syndrome, I’d hazard a guess to say China may be worse off with them.
It's pretty ironic, as you were talking about Shen Yun UA-cam played an advert during your vid. Seems SY is touring Australia at the moment.
So basically Winston married into an abusive family and has to watch what he says in fear of how "daddy Xi" will react. Damn, that's rough...
I have watched so many videos in your channel. I even listened your video when I worked. But after watching this one, I realized you supported so much for CCP in this video.
1. About the duration you talk about Confucius Institution
2. Even Quoted their performance.
There is a persecution in China toward Falun Gong practitioners.After that, these people were stolen their organs.
It is truly that Falun Gong has passed massive flyers and brochures about how bad CCP is and the persecution. However, In 2000, outside China, no one knew what Falun Gong was. To gain the support from the US or European countries, they have been doing this for more than 20 years. They deserve to get the admiration because of their endurance.
CCP had had a huge propaganda system before 2000. Comparing with a huge and giant government, these flyers and brochures are just nothing.
I’m just stating facts here, I fully support freedom of religion and expression and I want the Falun Gong to be able to practice whatever they like even if I don’t believe in it
About Shen Yun, I watched this show. IN MY OPINION, they are quite FAIR, RELIGION, but not PROPAGANDA.
It is truth that
1. They have made video trailer every year. The trailer lasts 20-30 seconds.
=> IN MY POINT OF VIEW, Comparing with Broadway shows and Las Vegas art shows, the trailer is very detail.
+ Watching all of the trailers, I already know that they are going to perform about Chinese Traditional Culture and Falun Gong and the persecution.
2. Their show has 18-20 pieces. 4 of them are about Falun Gong and the persecution, How miraculous Falun Gong is and how bad the CCP is.
=> IN MY POINT OF VIEW, it is quite normal, especially in Western. You guys have told the stories, that Jesus God has magic healing sick people and how the Roman Government and Nero Emperor had persecuted Christinaities in 300 years, for generation after generation. Nowadays, you guys did not allow to pray before the class or teach about Christianity in class; however, comparing with thousand years of teaching about Jesus God, several years are just nothing.
3. The cost for a ticket is quite pricy and has increasing every year.
=> However, based on my research, they want middle class and high class people to buy tickets.
4. They has grown from one to 7 companies in just 15 years and touring around the world every year
=> I was so surprised and truly admiration. A group of ABC, they truly did incredible thing. If the CCP want 10 or even 100 companies, they can have them as soon as possible.
Falun gong is a cult, you don't need to support a cult to dislike the ccp
Hot damn, I felt something was off with Shen Yun. Glad you did this video. They were just hustling too hard at the mall for the show to just be entertainment. Winston, you have to work on your tie knot. You look so sharp in a suit but the tie is just a little off!!! May you and your wife stay safe!
@@numuves wow.. you've just blown my mind.
How the hell are they funding this?
Following the money stream would be a exciting endeavor
@@numuves The good old classic way of "follow the money" is always reliable.
@@dropj3 many FG moved to Taiwan and probably got the money from doners as there are many who are sympathetic to the FG
9:15 Pissed myself with your edit of the orchestra music!
DodgyDave73 yeah, traditional Chinese music in 3...2....1 [cut]
@@SESTOFIORHEM And if he had allowed one note of that Erhu to sound...that woman would have been all over him to pay Royalties to her...
Wow, in China this is a total non-issue. Different world.
@@SESTOFIORHEM But in the rest of the world, copyrights are a big deal; it's how people get paid for their work. It's also become an issue under Trump versus China. I was being snarky, but maybe he did cut the music so he wasn't bothered. People might have no right to compensation but that doesn't always stop them from trying and tying you up. You say "different world" as if that is a fact. We all live in the same world and the sooner everyone acts like it, the better things might get.....for everyone not just the wealthy.
Robert Giles Yeah, I live in Mainland China and when I arrived I truly was shocked by the lack of respect for copyright: American pop songs sung by imitators blare over restaurant speakers, shops plaster logos that one could mistake for Western brands if not looking closely, search engines that work just like google do their web searches. And China wants the rest of the world to be like it. China is built as an export economy. They don’t yet know how to work like the next consumer paradise, if they ever will. In China’s dreams 1984 has taken over and China is the hunger games capital, while the rest of the world are the provinces. Socialism full tilt, which would mean there would be no need for copyright.
Thank you for being unbiased with your explanation of this. Good work and good luck!
Who wears suit on a beach? There, you are the weird uncle (怪叔叔). 😆 Happy new year!
I get that you might not want to criticize the CP publicly, but complaining about the FG protests about organ-harvesting is beyond me. Really?!
Should they just shut up about it?
That blew my mind when he said that - sad. @
serpentza, that's real cold. No mention on how the Chinese influence popular newspapers not to run ads for this theater company?
lol actually we eat dogs and harvest organ from criminals, we are barbarian doing what we want lol😚
FG is more of a joke to be honest, not only in mainland china, but also in the Chinese community in the U.S. All you need to do is look at all the FG backed media and read their news and stories and you will see they are all fabricated. For example, epoch times one of the main newspaper outlet for FG, they claimed that there are more than 300 millions people quit the CCP since 2004. 300 MILLIONS! that's more than the sum of all CCP members since 1949 and that's also more than the sum of chinese death counts for the past 35 yrs combined.
The funny thing is, they put this number on their chinese main page, but they hide these number for their English main page, hmmmmm, I wonder why.
Yes
@@tarotaro6933 and right there is why you never take what people with an agender say at face value mate. that said I don't see people that are looking at the fong gong issue are finding it very funny. same with the large number of other groups that being persecuted by the ccp.
We'll only know the truth after the CCP falls really. When the communists fell in Poland a lot of police brutality came to light. I understand having a foot in both worlds and not a good option to return to in ZA. Peace!
The CCP would be brutal except they're kind of lazy and incompetent. Its a lot of work to brutalize people. They're lazy authoritarians. China is a half assed police state people do whatever they want most of the time.
@Giacc S - It'll probably fall from the inside like the Soviet Union where the people running it didn't believe in it anymore. Especially the KGB.
@@Jordan-Ramses Very interesting! I have noticed the laxidazical nature of their enforcement. Focused more on the strategic and less on the tactical. It's something Western leaders will be wise to exploit, especially in battle.
@@TheActiveAssault - China is not going to fight anybody. Their military is weak and the CCP is very afraid of making any generals into a hero.
@@Jordan-Ramses Haha. This is true. A cop would rather tell you to pay a fine in China then send you on your way than to torture you.
Nice work. It's a delicate subject. You were honorable and dignified explaining something that is off limits. I'd gladly join and help fund your next ride across China. Just need to know when.
I live in Houston, Texas, every year at around the winter holidays I always see billboard advertisements , posters and commercials for Shen Yun. Like literally for the past 5 or 6 years without fail every winter Shen Yun advertisements are everywhere.
You are a fair, rational, logical and erudite chap dude ... Many thanks to you (&the gang) for all the groovy vids :)
"My family could get into a lot of trouble"
I think that about explains which side you should take haha.
How about picking neither??
WeiYinChan FUCK CHINA
Honeslty, sure are alot of CCP apologists here.
As a Vietnamese, I remembered one time when I was 11 or 12 something, I saw a video of the Falun Gong (Pháp luân công in Vietnamese) about organ harvesting, and I was traumatized for weeks because of the awful illustrations that they put in the video. Still haunt me to this day
In Germany Falun Gong write Golbal Times in German, witch is basically a extremist right wring Media. Lol. They write Right wing, stuff on that about Germany.
Falun Gong is documented to be absolutely nuts. Their leader believes he's some sort of god, and their teachings call race mixing evil. Organ harvesting claims however, is based on conjecture at best. Not a single study has presented any clear evidence; it's all based on organ transplants being readily available in parts of China
Also some bloody photos Falungong use to convince the internet it’s CCP harvesting human organs with banner written with traditional Chinese in the background...like really? only fooling people who have no clue about traditional Chinese being used in Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau nowadays..
Their teachings stress the importance of truthfulness, compassion and forbearnace, you are spreading hate
Because the truth is more horrifying. I’ve seen materials about organ harvesting when I was nine and I couldn’t say that I wasn’t shocked. But I was not traumatised, knowing how much worse it is in reality.
I have been a subscriber of yours for quite awhile now and have never commented before but I wanted to at time because of a flyer I received this week in the mail. I live in a very rural area of south eastern Michigan and thought when I first saw this video, well that isn't going to be any where around me. In the mail this last week was a Shen Yen flyer for a set performances to take place in March 2019 at a theatre in Detroit, MI. So I did a little checking and found that they were sent through our whole area. I believe you are very correct in the FG's desire to influence as much of the U.S. to their agenda as possible. Please be encouraged to continue your thoughtful content, I really do respect and appreciate your videos on China. Stay Awesome!!!
What is wrong with FG influencing the US? Are they not being persecuted by the CCP?
I got dragged to one of those shows by my friend, you could see the heavy handed message that really annoyed me, I came for cultural dance and I got a bunch of weird religious BS ( I'm atheist ) I wasn't impressed. I'm not impressed by the Chinese government either but still.
evilqueen13 I’ve wanted to go see this show but I’m glad you said this. Now I won’t.
@evilqueen13 Did your friend intentionally attempt to trick you? Are you still friends?
Are you sure you are atheist? Have you ever lived in a communist country? It's just that I really believe that ALL westerners that consider themselves atheists... if they were to live in a country like China or North Korea would soon reconsider this. They would have to reconsider what being atheist means? Everything is relative. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. A fish does not know what water is until you take it out from it. (and I'm not religious in any way). You are probably a complete Christian and dont know it. Just like the communists dont know they are communists... they just "work together".
@@georgesahinidis7994 Being an atheist only means one thing: lack of belief in a god. Stop assuming you know more about other people's beliefs than they themselves do. Your comment is absolute nonsense.
@@CAustin582 yeah ok didnt mean it to be that personal. You can be anything you want. I'm just like: what does "believe in god" even mean? For someone on the outside (either because he has studied these things a lot or lived in the east and west) just using that term shows to him that you are part of some kind of "cult". What is god? Does a priest believe in god? does he take everything written in the bible literally and never second guess anything? No. Does the typical western atheist agree with many ideas in the bible such as compassion, power of love, justice, a higher intelligent being etc (which are ideas as unscientificaly proven as "god")? Yes. When they are faced against real "nonbelievers" they will fight on the same side I think. They just don`t know it... just my philosophy. All the west (europe and americas) is a continuation of the Roman empire... all based on ancient greek and Christian ideas... even the muslims are a Christian spinoff.
So god damn refreshing. I wish I had a Winston on every topic.
Woa very interesting that you talk about this. Just a few weeks ago i was approached as well by theFG religion/cult people. Once they start talking they just dont stop. They asked me to sign some kind of list, but I refused as I would like to visit china again and I expect the chance of getting a visa decreases dramatically after signing that.
Still it is weird to me to see the chinese nationalists so extreme towards anything that could be interpreted even slightly negative. It is like they don't realise that every single country has good and bad sides, and that critiquing or reporting on something bad is not an insult per se. Not even that, I think some of the 'bad' parts of china actually make it a lot more interesting and intriguing because it is just totally different to here. (luckily) dont have experience with the confucius institute yet at my uni.
Anyways Winston, I do appreciate that you try to give a biased and genuine view of how China is. And after having been there, your videos do show a very realistic view of it.
I worked for a company started by an American( of no Chinese Ancestry) who converted to FG, who also opened an FG museum in the same shopping center as his (relocated) first storefront. He also used the business to do FG "trainings" once a week.
i got curiois and after a few months of reading both sides and meeting FG refugees from China, I came to two conclusions:
1) FG practitioners are in fact the victims of Organ Harvesting, but so are many groups in China. Forbidden religiois groups make for more profitable prisonera because unlike other "criminals " they have lifestyle dogmas that leave their organs in above average shape. And just for saying this publicly I can never travel there.
2. its a fundamentalist religion at best, cult to many. their shows and teachings have the same pattern and even visuals as JWs & $cientologists. The pattern all three share (which is always a sign to run) is that theres a big gap between the focus of religion in their public face and early meetings, and what they teach when you are a long term member or read the writings of their guru/founder. The visuals they all use are the yin/yang combo of paradise/cataclysm. Paradise is usually represented by happy multi-ethnic people smiling and cooperating at something, and cataclysm is usually represented by a volcano and people fleeing or dying. You'll see these slipped into every Shen Yun event, and spoken about in their holy-ish books, which are just transcribed talks and other writings of their guru/founder.
So it's a real religion with real persecution, but the most important point they make is that the ChiComm government is a human rights nightmare, which none of us needed a magic guru or a concert to find out about.
...and shame on us (me included) for not doing more about it since we already know.
The problem is FG has been over politicised since its ban in China. Now to an outsider like me, it seems to be more like an anti-communist propaganda stronghold than a real religious cult.
I must say the scenery is a hell of alot better now
I learn chinese at a confucius institute in hungary, I can definately tell that there is a lots of government propaganda, but on the other hand I can learn chinese for free, so I don't care.
When it’s a personal opinion it’s different to a propaganda machine. When you say that you beleive one thing and I can either accept, counter, or ignore that opinion. When it’s a large body of people who are subverting governments and the general populous, it’s another thing all together. Religion is a tool for politicians. With social media, the game has changed but you have to look at the players. A single guy on youtube is not a cult or a political machine (but may become one). We live in interesting times!!!
If they want to propagandize who cares because if it is obvious it is ineffective. Both Americans and Chinese try SO HARD to convince others their countries are so great. If their countries were really great there would be no need to say it, the lifestyle would speak for itself, however, both countries are a disaster where their governments spy on and oppress their own citizenry.
He’s trying to influence opinions by telling the TRUTH. I’m sorry if it offends you, but I tend to side against any communist government!
Are you crazy? America is arguably the greatest country in the world. That’s why so many foreigners have come here, including Chinese!
You must be a very compassionate person.
An interesting story I was guarding a senator at a town hall meeting when the Confucius Institute people were there asking for her support for the Confucius Institute and their continued efforts for America and China relations. This town hall meeting was in a rural town And they were by far the best dressed people at the meeting. I really want to thank you for this video and all your videos, I have learned so much about the good parts and bad parts of China.
I loved this, especially the balance in it! I'm a retired high school teacher with forty-three years in classrooms all over the US. Some years ago I wrote a research paper for my Law and Education class in which I researched The Confucius Institute and that was the beginning of my understanding of the "War" that Serpentza outlines here. Do your homework, people, and become disabused of propaganda of any sort.
I've been going to the Confucius institute in Zagreb(Croatia) to lean Chinese for a while now. I heard about such things about them before so I was expecting to hear some propaganda. But so far I heard no propaganda at all. We(course students) would come and only do Chinese lessons. At no point anyone said anything about China today or its policy, or anything that puts china on a pedestal. The course so far seems to be just a Chinese course and nothing more, even the learning material that we use was written by local (non Chinese) writers. So it is kinda odd that they would do such things over in the US. Maybe its a selective effort that they put only at places of influence?
Shen Yun is HUGE here in the United States, so it would make sense that the presenter here (new to this channel, sorry I don't know his name) had a different experience than you. I worked for a non-asian guy who is an FG convert, and he had his business threatened by people claiming to speak for "good people of Chinese heritage. FG had to start hiring security for the Shen Yun tour busses after they kept getting sabotaged.
In cities where the Shen Yun show is presented, there are billboards up for months ahead of time, visible from the main highways. They work with the local Chambers of Commerce (small business networks) to get relatively large flyers and window posters put in all the "cool" and "fancy" stores. They also get a lot of churches (and I assume other religous houses) to promote it because of the overlap with persecution of Christianity and other religions in China. Some people just show up because its an orchestrated performance you can dress up and take a date to.
But once you get there, you get pamphlets and dvds that expose what may be the worst secret the Chinese Government has in terms of world perception, that they seem to use their high tech dictatorship to provide their elite (and that of anyone elsewhere with means and no morals) with fresh organs transplants from surprisingly healthy donors. Because FG and Christians are more likely to not smoke, drink excessively, or engage in risky sexual acivity, they are perfect "donors" to those who have worn their bodies out. It's pretty freaky but seems to be true. And either way, the Chinese government doesn't want that to be tought true at all. If the world boycotts their goods, the powerful there won't be powerful anymore.
Jason Drake: I'm an American that has been practicing Falun Gong for the last 18 years and every word you said is true.The persecution is all too real.Thanks for speaking out.
@@JasonJrake Have you ever think about what if Shen Yun is an anti-China association which financially supported by the U.S gov't? What if they are lying? What if they are hired and worked for the U.S gov't for the demonizing propaganda? What if they are doing these activities for their Permanent resident card as refugees? Do not underestimate this dirty world and what the U.S gov't has done. You can easily find out this world might be horrible than you can imagine if you start thinking on your own.
Those things happen in US much more often because many people in US have a strong and biased opinion of China. When they express those opinions in front of Chinese people in the Confucius institute, they are liable to get corrected. Granted, the Chinese people may have their own strong and biased opinion of China on the other side of the fence. But those who claim that Confucius institute are just Chinese propaganda tools most likely only claimed that because they don't like their own opinions challenged in any way. Just like many people online when debates anything about China, would default to the claim "you are wumao", or "you are paid by Chinese government", or something like that whenever anyone disagrees with their negative opinion of China.
That's because their main purpose is to increase China's soft power. It is smart, because it is a good way to make allies, and PRC has little soft power currently.
Taiwan also has an equivalent organization, but unsurprisingly, much less well funded. Confucius institutes have billions. I used to collaborate with one that also worked with the DoD. A funny partnership. But you can't do intelligence work on China if you have no Chinese speakers...
But realize also that "cultural attache" is a very good front for spy work, keeping tabs on 華僑, making sure they always 愛國， and for propaganda. It isn't the main purpose, but of course it exists.
stay awsome, stay rational , stay unbiased, that’s why I like your channel.
Technically you did pick a side but not directly 🤣🤣 Love the videos keep it up👍🏾
Ah, you spotted it, too. 😉
Yup - first he says he won't pick a side, then he does just that. What a hypocrite.
@percynjpn - But it could be either side that he picked. 😉 Did he mean the wrong side in terms of being wrong in their views and claims, or the side that is wrong for Winston if he wanted to avoid trouble? And which one did he want to clarify when he said it the second time? Also, were his hand gestures related to the video thumbnail contents?
Also, he's not a hypocrite because he didn't claim to not have a personal opinion. He said he shouldn't communicate it clearly.
The pamphlet you showed in the begging just came in my mail today. How interesting to have found your video and context to this just now. Human interacting is really interesting these days.
I've watched China Uncensored, and while it may have some ties to, or funding from FG, it also can take a more truthful approach to some issues than either you or C-Milk are able to reveal. By your own admission, even in this video, and in past installments, your continued ability to live in, or even visit China, means you need to self-censor your videos so as not to offend that powers that be. Even when you are in a country with relative free speech, like Taiwan or The United States, you still need to walk a tightrope of "fairness". For example, the concentration camps and apparent coming genocide of Western China's Muslim population can not be discussed in much depth. I'm sure Tibet is also a forbidden topic, as is China's recent militarization of The South China Sea.
I appreciate your perspective on various issues, but please don't pretend that you can always present a realistic appraisal of certain, politically sensitive issues, without fear of retribution. In many ways, the Chinese government has a metaphorical pistol to your head if your honest reporting of their actions becomes too critical. One can't expect a hostage to always give an honest assessment of his captors.
Sometimes "Fair and Balanced" isn't either as Fox News has proven, and drawing false equivalencies is a form of propaganda. Most people in The United States don't really know what Falun Gong is, but on some level they know the Chinese government doesn't support the free exercise of religion. FG and Uyghurs don't really elicit much concern or empathy in America. Unfortunately, religious persecution is a somewhat abstract concept, unless it targets your religion. If the FG goal is to generate outrage, then the persecution of China's underground Christian communities is a more effective subject of discussion.
A network anchor, Diane Sawyer, was really moved by the plight of Iraqi Kurds, once she discovered some of them had blue eyes, like hers. Intellectually, I'm sure she was concerned with their persecution, but finding out they were more similar to her, made them instantly more sympathetic.
Thank you for all that you do, and Stay Awesome.
I think it is a relatively convincing article, The player seems to have more research and study.
Scott are you really completely brain dead? Right now from my neighboUring country I am listening to how D. Trump has blocked United States of Americas federal employees wages for 18 days because the gov won't approve his 5.6 BILLION wall against the border with Mexico - THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE NATION!!!
FOX NEWS????
DIANNE SAWYER????
Go crawl back under the rock under your pick up truck.
Yeah, you know, the truck that was made in Mexico!!!
Give me a break, China Uncensored is a misrepresentation of the true picture of China for a political end, OK? Go to China before you come back to tell me about all these awful happenings. China has a very complicated mix of people even though you guys think "Chinese are all alike". They are not. Added to this problem is that Chinese are very sophisticated people and quite independent. Many of them do not necessarily share the same thought and they tend to be self-centered. The Chinese government needs unity to resolve its internal problems. Talking about the camps for the U gar minority, for example. Yes , it is bad. But compared with these people being infected with extremist religious ideologies and starting killing people in the streets in random, which one is worse? Controlling the media and holding up dissidents are bad. However compared with allowing prolonged arguments in the public at a time when China needed to focus on its development and thus let China falls behind the world, which one is worse? The ordinary Chinese people are actually better informed than the ordinary US citizen. For one thing, Chinese know they should not always trust their own media because they do not always tell the truth. But the American public tend to always believe their own media because they believe that tell the truth - which they actually do not. So do not apply the Western solutions to Chinese problems. They do not work. By the same token we do not see why the US thinks letting gun flooding in the streets is a way of "self-protection". I never understand the logic. But the Americans seem to able to understand it.
@@teebosaurusyou Fox News blindly supports Donald Trump. It's slogan is "Fair and Balanced", but it has always been a conservative propaganda machine for the Republican Party. It's current nickname is "TrumpTV". The network is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a billionaire who wants to push his own political agenda of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich.
Fox News spent weeks before the last election screaming about the migrant caravan from Central America that would be attacking the United States as it traveled through Mexico. They basically dropped that story the day after the election. Now they're supporting the need for Trump's Wall.
FYI - I'm anti-wall and anti-Trump. I vote for the other guys.
Scott, Serpentza (Winston) says things that make China look bad too just like China Uncensored. When people who have lived in China agree with what he said in the comments section it gives him credibility.
Well, even though I'm not interested in your merchandise, I'm super impressed by your maintenance of the completely neutral stance. I'm an overseas Chinese myself, and have commented several times on your channels. But I really applaud you in this video for basically airing my own personal opinions and echoing my own personal feelings about both sides. There is something a bit off and wrong about both sides. Something stinks about both their agendas. And even though people say you should always choose between the lesser of the two evils, another school of thought counters by saying that the lesser of the two evils is still evil. But of course, while I do support you on your stance on the Falun Gong Vs CCP/Confucius Institute issue, there are other topics I diverge from you on, which prevents me from offering you my full support (because, I don't know if you are aware, but the very fact that you maintain an independent, first hand, opinion on Chinese matters, actually, whether it is wanted by you or not, it makes you a formidable political force in China, because China has a very low tolerance of conflicting opinions, so whosoever follows your take on China, knowingly or unknowingly by you or by them, get spontaneously recruited into, for all intents and purposes, your [political] faction, which may well be far beyond what you intend to do, being a simple man who simply wants to give as unbiased a review of China as possible to all prospective travelers to China (ie China is my favourite restaurant). Your voice is very important, but I cannot endorse you right now, because it might make me look too closely aligned with you, and you hold certain views (eg about the evil uncles) that can get me into a lot of trouble if I did indeed endorse you and people can mistakenly think that I am against them, which I am not, at least, not in principle, even if I too, would be wary and guarded around them.
Welcome to the complex and convoluted web of intrigue that is the world of Chinese public opinion. It is not like American or any Western public opinion, which is aired publicly and resolved through public debates. Instead, they are private opinions and allegiances, often with heavy fixation on moral content and personal integrity, since Confucian doctrine marries personal integrity to personal influence, which looks good on paper, but is incredibly stressful in practice, since the very definition of what constitutes moral or good or to what standard one must remain loyal to, or indeed, integrity to what exactly, is to be relied upon, is not something that's universally agreed upon.
I personally have grasped the best hope of an anchor to my soul and moral integrity in the God of Jesus, the appointed Christ, and Redeemer and Saviour of the world, which, indeed, I believe that He Is, and it is to Him and to His Righteousness and Kingdom to whom I have pledged my permanent allegiance, even loyalty and fealty. Not everyone agrees that this is the right choice, or even the best choice, but through comparing and contrasting this with all the other alternatives I have come across, I have concluded that this is a cause I am willing to live out the rest of my life for.
I'm not interested in pushing this onto others, because allegiance to Jesus the Coming King comes with incredible costs, both in friendships, as well as personal things, it can cost you your career, your ambitions, your dreams, your desires, your personal goals, your love of money, and who knows what else, but I've counted the cost, and esteemed it a bargain. But this is merely my personal evaluation and estimation of worth, according to my own subjective values, so can vary from person to person, but, as an overseas Chinese, I can honestly say that I'm sick and tired of human politics, both the Chinese kind, with secret, underground civil wars brewing, or the Western kind, with two or more sides dishing out questionable things along with less questionable things. Jesus makes things simple. I'm a simple man who just wants a simple life to live and work a simple job for an adequate wage to eat and grow a family and die. I neither want nor welcome politics muddying my life with ceaseless internal strife and conflicts of opinion. If I had things my way, I would just want Jesus to come back quickly to put an end to all the human civil wars that have divided us, so that we can quickly adapt and grow accustomed to His regime, and just get it all over with quickly.
Anyway, that's just my 2¢.
A very in-depth 2 cents worth! Thanks!
@@kornfedboy the plot thickens very quickly, trust me. I've barely scratched the surface. Welcome to the 21st century, said to be China's century, but is probably more likely going to be something like all Chinese slowly coming out of the closet and admitting we are all human beings with our own wills and plans and secret plots, and not a homogeneous whole as we've deceived outsiders to believe for millennia. And this is mostly thanks to the East West interface, and the Chinese diaspora being given the breathing room in Western nations to air their own private opinions without death threats from the powers which stand in China. Not that the Chinese diaspora are by any means united on any issue, apart from an agreement that the status quo in China is not ideal, and that, for the moment, at least, until we sort out what we actually want China to become, the status quo might still be preferable to an outright uprising, factionism, infighting, civil unrest, discord and chaos, which leads to all sorts of worthless practices, such as looting, pillaging, murder, rape, etc, which, for all the failures of the current regime, they do keep in check.... For now.
So the balancing game of pros and cons are temporarily weighing in the government's favour, but they are losing ground day by day, but many Chinese are highly skeptical about the Falun Gong movement, which, we know, for all their peaceful and cultural and spiritual pretensions, are nothing more than an attempt at a nationwide coup to turn China to what they regard as 'traditional Chinese culture', but, is probably going to end up being a cult comparable to the ayatollah cult of Shia Iran which deposed the Shah. Basically, they will attempt to make China into a theocracy under the holy man pretender who is the founder of the Falun Gong sect.
And the CIA are probably, but not certainly, in on it, and actively supporting Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, and various other innocuous appearing, leftist appealing movements, who are mainly used as pawns to weaken the Beijing regime to consolidate and maintain US hegemony over all the maritime trade routes, which actually favours worldwide trade and exchange, which, for all its downsides in terms of exploitation, environmental damage, etc etc, has created a common exchange of culture, people, goods, ideas, without parallel since the Mongol empire facilitated the silk road.
So you can see how delicate the balance of power is, and how awkward it is to pick the right side, because just about every side is morally suspect, but also, all seem necessary to keep each other in check to even maintain the status quo, let alone, improve it.
Needless to say, I'm rather pessimistic about any human interventions improving the current affairs and have resigned myself to God's exit strategy, which seems drastic and perhaps over the top at first glance, until you realise that at least, if we do things God's way, something can be salvaged, even if it seems like a needle in a haystack, but every other way is doomed within decades, a few centuries max, from now.
I'm talking about the book of prophesy, the final chapter of the New Testament and the entire Bible, which begins: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ...." Yes, the book that includes Satan being cast down to the earth, the sun burning men with fire, hailstones the size of a talent raining down, a massive war, and the Lake of Fire.
I mean, I don't want it to be true either, or to happen, but the more time passes, the more I have to admit that the Bible is right: apart from Jesus the Christ, there really never has ever walked a truly Sinless, Righteousness, good and holy person on earth, and the rest of us all truly are, for the most part, in spite of our best intentions, sinners, and hopeless, incurable sinners at that, as Paul the apostle, who used to be Saul of tarsus, the proud Pharisee, found out the hard way in Romans 7.
There's more to write, much more, but even if I made the fabrics of the universe my parchment and was given an inexhaustible supply of pens and ink and all eternity to write it, I'm afraid I would still fail miserably at recording even a broad brush stroke of the madness and chaos that is happening down here on earth, with everything mixed together like spaghetti, and harder to untangle than the Gordian knot that Alexander III of Macedon cut with his sword, and God uncreated using the Cross of complete annihilation and oblivion, which Jesus went on, taking the whole of old creation in tow with him, unbeknownst to the rest of humanity.
I've been watching China Uncensored.. I am now armed with information that adds nuance
@Konrad Ford Taking a fact and positioning it in a light you want is the way how to make good propaganda. Actually the China Uncensored is too biased and exaggerated to be a good propaganda, one must know really nothing about China to be bought by their narration. But Chris is un-dislike-able!
The difference is China Uncensored says what Winston can't say without being banned from the country. So when Winston says something is bad the reality is that it is 10x as bad.
@@humansvd3269 It is always fact, not often.
@Darth Jay - In that part of the world even the good guys are often bad guys too.
KC
I also agree that China is not currently the most pleasant country to live in. But I also don’t believe the Falungong news are telling the truth. I live in London where if you go to Chinatown, you will get Falungong newspaper for free and it’s just so blatantly filled with logic defying lies. Yet if you search related topics, these news papers’ websites are the first to come up on google.
A friend came over the other night and we were discussing this same topic; he claimed to be a subscriber, so I'm sending this to him... He must not be as regular as I am.
Can't wait for the ADV video in an hour.
Yea the Shen Yun promotes traditional culture and shows the aspect that tried to destroy traditional culture ( ccp) and the show is top world class they depict what is happening to Falun gong practitioners which is documented in investigative reports proving the organ harvesting allegations to be true......if someone or government done that to you or your family how would you feel about it
...stand on the right side
Great video Winston. I've been a subscriber to your channel and to China Uncensored (CU) for a long while now. I am not with falun gong, but certainly don't agree with religious persecution in any form. I would love to see a performance by Shen Yun. In some of my comments on CU's FG videos, obvious Chinese nationalists have tried to "educate" me, using typical basic dialectical materialism types of arguments, how democracy is overrated and should be more authoritarian based, the PRC's total support for religious freedom, etc. I also know about the Confucius Institutes on various university campuses. I wonder if the PRC would allow a "Washington Institute" on the Beijing University campus? My guess is no.
@@madeinchina1450 OK, name one so I can check it out. Thanks.
I'm not going to try to "educate" you, but refer to links for you to check out, a Time magazine interview with the founder, where he claims "since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture". content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2053761,00.html another is a paper from culteducation.com/group/1254-falun-gong/6922-is-falun-gong-a-cult.html
"Daddy I need help with the Monkey bars!" Truer words were never said
Your videos are getting better and better
Love your channel, but for me China Uncensored is pretty much on point. Of course I understand where you are being diplomatic. After living in China for much of the last 3 years I can personally attest to how GD awful life in China can be. I will never go back. I am glad you are having an easier life over there, especially in regards to your fantastic wife. Best to you both.
I also lived in China for three years (Beijing) and I completely agree with you.
Everybody agrees with you mate! It's not by accident the most popular immigrants in the world ! If was good in their country they would stay there instead of moving !
Yes I'm sorry about laowhy86s wife being so much hotter than yours... its OK... it doesn't really matter...
@@Shenzhou. Its not about the material quality of life but about other just as important freedoms and lack of access to justice that is the issue. Beijing is an increasingly nice city to be in for sure but it is also a place where the government strives to deny everyday freedoms like freedom of speech or association thereby crushing the human spirit. Additionally the whole 'rule by law' thing instead of 'rule of law' greatly reduces people's access to justice which also wears me down. Also China has become increasingly unfriendly place for foreigners as Han nationalism has increased.
If you really want to enlighten your viewers about FG, tell us why are they being persecuted by the CCP!
It doesn’t take much research to see that they make even Scientology look legit
@@serpentza So, you think we should prosecute every scientology practitioner as well?
@@MyronidesVideo For example one day an article called reveal the truth of Scientology on New York times, then Scientology practitioners organized protest at office building of New York times and ask recover reputation blah blah, then police get called and remove them because of breaking public order, they think government and police together try to prosecute them, then they organized all their practitioners around US and protest at every big cities government, what do you think US government should do in this case?
This is what Falun Gong did in China, on my opinion this fake religion should get punished.
@@3yexQSx As far as I know, the US government used the army to treat those people, several times in history. I cannot recall all of them what I remember is 1992, 1971, 1932. But I actually don't know exactly what the US army did.
@@uuuzzz167 Well, the US army harvested their organs just for being annoying. DIdn't they tell you this in China?
I took a girlfriend to Shen Yun about 8 years ago hoping to see some classical Chinese dance and music. Instead we got bombarded with super heavy-handed propaganda, which was quite disappointing. Ha, at the end they even put up giant words across the screen, "Falun Dafa IS GOOD." Just in case we somehow missed their message in the first 3 hours...
Bumped into Falun Gong about 7 years ago in Cologne. Now I live in a university town with a Confucius institute and the largest Chinese student population in the UK and you can bet I will start rocking a Falun Gong T-shirt!
Lol
Thanks for the heads-up regarding China Uncensored. I've been watching it and knowing the FG connection is helpful. On another note, your wife is quite beautiful. Congrats on that one.
Different sides of the same coin.
Have to say it was always apperant. The have ties to the epoch times.
@@BQD_Central China In Focus is also part of NTD.
Shun yun ad keeps playing before you videos
That's how UA-cam works. It's actually quite predictable.
They also keep squeezing Stephen Colbert into my RT video pages despite very clear messages from me that I'm not interested in that stuff. It's like an annoying Falun Gong propagandist.
(I have to restrain myself from writing another essay on how the psychopathic mindset of the people running the show reflects in the products and services. I'm just gonna say that it is crucially important for the root to be pure and to clean that one up with highest priority.)
An ad for a performance of Shen Yun in Charlotte, North Carolina appeared in the middle of the video. I think they come to Charlotte at least once a year. Currently their ads are everywhere - TV newspapers, and now UA-cam.
lol kids these days not using ublock origin or a rooted android with custom youtube app, what are ya?
I have made up my own mind. Who is incarcerating and removing the organs of whom? I REST MY CASE.
Nobody.
@@acex222 You just gave yourself away.
@@sarahm9723 what?
@@acex222 Are you injecting some drug in your arm? Go back over the posts.
@@sarahm9723 I don't see what you mean by "gave myself away". As what? Doing what? US govt investigated Falun Gong's claims multiple times and found 0 evidence of organ trafficking even back in 06. What does that "give away"?
Holy Smokes I was just talking about this the other day.....Shen Yun seems to advertise more and more...Monday it had ads on 3 TV channels all at the same time.......they are at the State Fair every year and flyers are in every Chinese restaurant
Annoying is one thing, the organ harvesting done by Chinese authorities is true are utterly disgusting. If that happened to my family i would be "annoying" too.
Sure it’s bad but it’a not just them, whoever is prisoner is the target.
I have to say, your video is a lot more frank about FG, than laowhy’s. I think he meant well but I came across his video when i was wondering if there were ties between you guys and FG. This video made it clear that’s not the case 😅
But judging Laowhy’s video and this I guess you guys may not be as filled in on their darker side and their hateful views on race mixing. And the living conditions for minors in their communes, the ABC did a good video on them. And JJ mccullough does a good video on them as well.
Remember criticising FG isn’t a proxy approval of the CCP, yes their claims have some truth to them but definitely not the whole package they sell you. And it doesn’t automatically give them a free pass like the Century of humiliation doesn’t for the CCP
What a brave man. You got skin in the game!
i see the ads for this CONSTANTLY to the point where I tune it out. I think I see them here on youtube and/or in the commercials between shows that I watch on xfinity cable (it is streaming cable tv from comcast. . . it is how I watch cable tv).
A religious zealot and an ultra nationalist walk into a bar...
Well if this explains anything, it explains why I've seen those posters everywhere here in Florida. I thought, what is this, I've never heard of this before. They make a big deal about it like I should know it. They even had young men passing out brochures. I really thought, man, they must have a huge advertising budget. They advertised more than the Rolling Stones. thanks for the info, and keep walking that tightrope.
onjoFilms some say they are backed by Taiwanese government or perhaps even the US government. The former is more likely considering FLG was backed by Taiwanese government.
I thought they are sponsered by the US gov. or some other organizations.
精选每日段子 well I couldn’t find any evidence for that but the leader of FLG was definitely tied to the Taiwanese.
Exactly! Where does all that money come from?
China Uncencored is just 1/100 channels feed by falungong, falungong is just 1/100 anti-China groups feed by US government..just because China Uncencored is English so it's famous for English speakers, but compared to other channels pretty much fakenews are those channels that Westerners won't hear like Mandarin version of Epoch Times, NTDTV, Sound of Hope, Voice of America, Radio Free Asia sponsored by US NED, there are still hundreds of anti-China organizations like separatist, lawyers, dissents, human rights groups, labor rights groups, environmental groups, democracy freedom groups in China sponsored by US government, that's propaganda war between US and China, China is defensive so set a Great Firewall, US is the way stronger can attack China with movies, talkshow, dramas, music, video games etc etc under name of free speech, China can't attack US like Russia because US almost close every Chinese propaganda channels already under name of national security..
I've watched quite a lot of content produced by China Uncensored.. While they might be biased.. I think the fact they speak about some of the injustices and abuses committed by the CCP is an overall GOOD thing. I'll still watch your content any day of the week if I had to choose one China-based channel.. Love ya Winston! :)
They have the advantage of not being involved with China so not putting family at risk.