Frank Turek is the classic strawman who never addresses the atheist argument but makes up his own definition of atheism and then debunks it. Don't waste your time asking Frank questions or debating him. He's not listening.
All I had to do is read the bible, I figured if it was written by an actual God that wanted us to engage with it then it wouldn't be so freaking boring. I mean for real though, for a book with magic, talking animals and literal freaking dragons it's a snoozefest LOL
Leaving a religion because you found the people you trusted didn't believe the things they said, means that you believed the people, not their arguments.
@@LookOutForNumberOne I wonder if a not-for-profit legal organisation could be set up to bring fraud charges against people like him...or some other crime to do with deceptive dealings.
I don’t like the idea that my occasional flaws in dirty thoughts and occasionally running past a red light, will get me the same justice card as those who rape and kill. There are some serious flaws in that supposed master plan from he-who-works-in-mysterious-ways. So mysterious, that no one actually understands the plan, other than “just believe!”
What's wrong with God's mysterious ways? I have mysterious ways of my own that you know nothing about. Do you want to find out what those mysterious ways of mine are ?
@user-fq9ij4we4r, nothing wrong with mysterious ways on its own. It’s “mysterious ways” + “either heaven or hell” that’s what’s nonsensical. The world isn’t just black and white filled with heroes and villains. Even worse, you can be a predominant villain on earth and end up being in heaven. While a hero on earth may well end up on the other side, just because of a wrong belief or a lack of faith.
Depends if that is an auditorium or a church. If' it's some secular auditorium, I would hate to think anyone would pay for admission. If it's a church, they're already willing to pay to hear that sort of rhetoric.
@@Birdlives247 ignoring stupidity is how it effects others! And if there's new content on ways stupid people do the same the stuff I will watch just for a good laugh! As for rewatching videos, not really unless it's particularly hilarious
Whoa there. At no point is anyone asking god about anything. At best there are just various priests and lay believers talking BS that they somehow try to align with whatever flawed translation of their holy text of questionable origin that they happen to have at hand.
I've heard that Lisa the rainbow giraffe is rather forgiving. Oh and the flying spaghetti monster is pretty easy going too. Don't be raiding sir Sic's Whiskey though, I'm sure that won't be forgiven.
"You're a hypocrite" is not uncommon, but it is addressing Christians, rather than Christianity. I suppose it could be argued that Christianity has so much inconsistency, that at least some hypocrisy is inherent to Christianity.
I want to ask. My questions... 1. The reality that we can see right now is that in this universe there are trillions of trillions of planets and galaxies. If there are countless trillions of trillions of planets... maybe not only planet Earth has living creatures inhabiting it...? For example, if there are a trillion other planets that have living creatures like Earth and its inhabitants are various types of non-human creatures, would Jesus also be God on those one trillion inhabited planets...? 2. The real facts that we can know right now... the earth is approximately 10 million km, the sun is 1.3 million times as big as the earth, and there is a star called U Scuty that is tens of billions of times as big as the sun . If the celestial bodies were super massive in size like that, the number in the trillions would be uncountable. How big do you think God the Creator is, bro...? Maybe God is only as big as the man Jesus...? 3. According to scientists, the universe is more than 13 billion years old, whereas according to historians, Adam and Eve only existed about 7 thousand years ago. Based on this science... maybe the universe has been empty without any living creatures inhabiting it for more than 13 billion years...? So what was Jesus doing for 13 billion years before there were humans, Adam and Eve...? Please answer me!!!!?!!!
I don't understand why non-believers in Christianity can't just ignore Christianity. There are very few laws, like abortion, that are directly influenced by Christianity anymore. Christians are held by non-believers to such a high standard of perfection, the lack of any sin. God knows that believers will sin. Non-believers aren't held to any formal standard so they aren't observed by other people as hypocrites. Why don't ya'll just live and let live.
"Christians are held by non-believers to such a high standard of perfection, the lack of any sin." We don't. We don't even care what 'sin' supposedly is. All we ask from you is that if you make some bold claim (like 'a god exists') you need to prove it's true. History has shown that this god thing can lead to unimaginable suffering. "Non-believers aren't held to any formal standard" Have you ever heard of laws?
Science has discovered God of course they won't admit it .The atheist experience wants us to believe that you get something from nothing ,there is no design.without intelligence ,but maybe you can give me an example.
1. Why and how is it you think science has discovered god? 2. Nobody ( except those trying to discredit something they don’t understand) said something came from nothing. 3. Why are you bringing up the atheist experience? If you want to discuss something about the atheist experience, go to the atheist experience channel. 4. May not be design without intelligence. But evolution is not a design, it’s a result.
1) Provide me a reference to a reputable academic scientific journal with a peer-reviewed article saying God is real. I'll bet my house you can't. 2) Saying if we don't believe in a God we believe everything came from nothing is a False Dichotomy which is fallacious reasoning. It's like saying if someone's favourite ice cream isn't chocolate it has to be rum-raisin. 3) Design is being asserted but you must provide evidence for that. Also you can't call a designer intelligent when the universe is trying to kill us, Earth is trying to kill us, and our human design is trying to kill us.
"What would you say to the charge that you have been stealing a moral framework from Christianity" I would say: please prove that. "atheism having no standards at all?" I would say: so what? How is that relevant to anything?
@sound.of.science As Dostoevsky, a former atheist, stated, "Without God, everything is permitted." Can't you understand his faultless logic? If ultimately there is no omniscient and omnipotent Moral Authority to account to, if one can escape into oblivion, then why not get away with whatever you can? That has been the reasoning of the very worst offenders. You are making yourself complicit in their crimes by assuring them this is the case.
"As Dostoevsky, a former atheist, stated, "Without God, everything is permitted."" So obviously, he was wrong. We humans invented the rule of law. "If ultimately there is no omniscient and omnipotent Moral Authority to account to" Then we account to ourselves and our fellow human beings. As humanity has been doing for the past thousands of years. "if one can escape into oblivion, then why not get away with whatever you can?" But you can't. If you feel like trying that, chances are you will meet the law sooner or later. And most people simply are not like that. They don't want to get away with bad stuff. They want to be good people and treat each other with respect. "You are making yourself complicit in their crimes by assuring them this is the case." Which I don't. I am a proponent of long prison sentences for serious criminals.
Lets go with a good definition of moral right/ objective good A particular action is good or moral if it promotes happiness health or wellbeing or it reduces suffering or it does both. Similarly, a particular action is bad or immoral if it diminishes happiness health or wellbeing or promotes suffering or, again, does both.
@@deniss2623 There were civilizations millennia older than Christianity and those had laws against murder and theft. If you want to frame it as “stealing”, the Jews stole the moral framework of Hammurabi by copy pasting most of his legal code into the Bible. As for modern Christian moral framework (about equality, the banning of slavery, etc.) Christianity has stolen it from humanists and philosophers of the enlightenment and now passes it as their own. But my first objection would be to ask which is exactly the Christian “framework” that has been stolen and where I can find a detailed list all Christians agree upon. And no, “everyone knows that hurting kids for fun is wrong” doesn’t cut it. It’s just a way to evade the problem that Christians do not have a morality of their own: they adopt the morality of the society they live in. Society changes and evolves and morality changes and evolved with it. And you have just to read the Bible to see how true that is. Morality doesn’t come from god, it comes from society. Accountability comes from society not from an imaginary friend. The imaginary god who will come after you is used to try and convince to behave people with asocial tendencies. You don’t need anyone to tell you not to murder, not steal, not be violent if you are a good person. If you think without god people would behave as criminals that tells me that I don’t want you as my neighbor. Please stay Christian.
Yeah. I agree. Frank Turek is a real grifter. His arguments are stupid and never appeal to anyone who were not already in his camp. From who he grift money.
@@toddduchesne1749 From my own experience with Christianity, I got sick of being called a miserable sinner and evil-doer that must depend on the brutal sacrifice of Jesus in order to be "saved" from eternal torture.
This is hy frank and wlc no longer do debates . they have been destroyed every time
"But m"feelies! I mean witness of the holy spirit!" Low Bar Bill.
Frank Turek is the classic strawman who never addresses the atheist argument but makes up his own definition of atheism and then debunks it.
Don't waste your time asking Frank questions or debating him. He's not listening.
Hypocrisy is one of the more common reasons that people cite when discussing why they left Xianity.
All I had to do is read the bible, I figured if it was written by an actual God that wanted us to engage with it then it wouldn't be so freaking boring. I mean for real though, for a book with magic, talking animals and literal freaking dragons it's a snoozefest LOL
Suggests that they'd already stopped believing and are evaluating the church for practical reasons. Apologists freely admit the church is flawed.
Leaving a religion because you found the people you trusted didn't believe the things they said, means that you believed the people, not their arguments.
@@juanausensi499 Yes, that's usually true. Or at least the arguments are the first things to fall to any investigation.
And the worst thing is that he gets PAID for talking said nonsense.
@@LookOutForNumberOne I wonder if a not-for-profit legal organisation could be set up to bring fraud charges against people like him...or some other crime to do with deceptive dealings.
Yup, he has his grimy paw in everyone's pocket in the audience who are there for one reason and one reason only - to be reassured of an afterlife.
Hypocrisy is a common reason for people to start thinking about leaving Christianity.
I don’t like the idea that my occasional flaws in dirty thoughts and occasionally running past a red light, will get me the same justice card as those who rape and kill.
There are some serious flaws in that supposed master plan from he-who-works-in-mysterious-ways. So mysterious, that no one actually understands the plan, other than “just believe!”
What's wrong with God's mysterious ways?
I have mysterious ways of my own that you know nothing about.
Do you want to find out what those mysterious ways of mine are ?
@user-fq9ij4we4r, nothing wrong with mysterious ways on its own. It’s “mysterious ways” + “either heaven or hell” that’s what’s nonsensical.
The world isn’t just black and white filled with heroes and villains. Even worse, you can be a predominant villain on earth and end up being in heaven. While a hero on earth may well end up on the other side, just because of a wrong belief or a lack of faith.
@@johnwho4794
The reality of heaven and hell are nonsensical to those who already don't believe.
Is that you ?
@user-fq9ij4we4r, yeah I can recognise trolling from a mile away. Try and come up with a proper point of discussion. Good luck on the next person!
@@johnwho4794
So you recognize trolling from a mile away.
Good for you.
I don't have any problems with other people.
Why should I.
Did the thousands of people filling the auditorium actually pay money to listen to this guy?
Shocking isn't it? That many d u m b people gathered together.
Something about one born every minute LOL
Depends if that is an auditorium or a church.
If' it's some secular auditorium, I would hate to think anyone would pay for admission.
If it's a church, they're already willing to pay to hear that sort of rhetoric.
That's the grift!
@@emoryogglethorp8180 That was back in the day. They bred. These days there's more like 100 born every minute.
If an absent God can't make me believe, then religion or people won't either
OK, you've rejected Christianity. So why do you repeat watching videos about people who are believers? Do you revisit videos about flat-earthers?
@@Birdlives247 ignoring stupidity is how it effects others! And if there's new content on ways stupid people do the same the stuff I will watch just for a good laugh! As for rewatching videos, not really unless it's particularly hilarious
Turek is in no way an argument for god, but he is a decent argument for the devil.
"...we need a savior" is, like, just your opinion, man.
😂😂 big Lebowski...
Whoa there. At no point is anyone asking god about anything. At best there are just various priests and lay believers talking BS that they somehow try to align with whatever flawed translation of their holy text of questionable origin that they happen to have at hand.
Is it me, or is that stage awfully similar to a Ted talk stage?
OH F**K. Frank Torment? Is he still at it?
Of course, he makes money.
One trick pony will do one trick.
Haha Frank Turek talks nonsense.
What else is new?
Yeah, it is not really news of course...
Saying Turek talks nonsense again is like saying rain makes you wet again.
I've heard that Lisa the rainbow giraffe is rather forgiving. Oh and the flying spaghetti monster is pretty easy going too.
Don't be raiding sir Sic's Whiskey though, I'm sure that won't be forgiven.
The stupid is strong in these days.
Anyone else who is up for spaghetti?
The only defense for christianity:
I believe because the bible orders me to believe
Has Turek ever debated a grown up since Christopher Hitchens handed his ass back to him on a plate?
"You're a hypocrite" is not uncommon, but it is addressing Christians, rather than Christianity.
I suppose it could be argued that Christianity has so much inconsistency, that at least some hypocrisy is inherent to Christianity.
Presumably he makes money by proselytising ? You gotta have money in the bank, Frank !
Increase playback speed to 1.25. You're welcome. 😐
Great stuff! Best one yet. 😂 Thanks
I like when he said “Oops, oops, oops, oops”.
I want to ask. My questions... 1. The reality that we can see right now is that in this universe there are trillions of trillions of planets and galaxies. If there are countless trillions of trillions of planets... maybe not only planet Earth has living creatures inhabiting it...? For example, if there are a trillion other planets that have living creatures like Earth and its inhabitants are various types of non-human creatures, would Jesus also be God on those one trillion inhabited planets...? 2. The real facts that we can know right now... the earth is approximately 10 million km, the sun is 1.3 million times as big as the earth, and there is a star called U Scuty that is tens of billions of times as big as the sun . If the celestial bodies were super massive in size like that, the number in the trillions would be uncountable. How big do you think God the Creator is, bro...? Maybe God is only as big as the man Jesus...? 3. According to scientists, the universe is more than 13 billion years old, whereas according to historians, Adam and Eve only existed about 7 thousand years ago. Based on this science... maybe the universe has been empty without any living creatures inhabiting it for more than 13 billion years...? So what was Jesus doing for 13 billion years before there were humans, Adam and Eve...? Please answer me!!!!?!!!
"you can't say anything is right or wrong if there is no god", hey, aren't there laws that do that?
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I don't understand why non-believers in Christianity can't just ignore Christianity. There are very few laws, like abortion, that are directly influenced by Christianity anymore. Christians are held by non-believers to such a high standard of perfection, the lack of any sin. God knows that believers will sin. Non-believers aren't held to any formal standard so they aren't observed by other people as hypocrites. Why don't ya'll just live and let live.
"Christians are held by non-believers to such a high standard of perfection, the lack of any sin."
We don't. We don't even care what 'sin' supposedly is. All we ask from you is that if you make some bold claim (like 'a god exists') you need to prove it's true. History has shown that this god thing can lead to unimaginable suffering.
"Non-believers aren't held to any formal standard"
Have you ever heard of laws?
If Turek’s aim as a xtian, is to preach and spread ‘the word”, I’m afraid he fails miserably.
Talking nonsense again? He ALWAYS talks nonsense.
Science has discovered God of course they won't admit it .The atheist experience wants us to believe that you get something from nothing ,there is no design.without intelligence ,but maybe you can give me an example.
1. Why and how is it you think science has discovered god?
2. Nobody ( except those trying to discredit something they don’t understand) said something came from nothing.
3. Why are you bringing up the atheist experience? If you want to discuss something about the atheist experience, go to the atheist experience channel.
4. May not be design without intelligence. But evolution is not a design, it’s a result.
@@gz9520 no result without design same thing.
I gave you four points, I even numbered them.
Why do you give only one sad week answer? What are you afraid of?
1) Provide me a reference to a reputable academic scientific journal with a peer-reviewed article saying God is real. I'll bet my house you can't.
2) Saying if we don't believe in a God we believe everything came from nothing is a False Dichotomy which is fallacious reasoning. It's like saying if someone's favourite ice cream isn't chocolate it has to be rum-raisin.
3) Design is being asserted but you must provide evidence for that. Also you can't call a designer intelligent when the universe is trying to kill us, Earth is trying to kill us, and our human design is trying to kill us.
@@kevinholling9645that's not an answer to the questions is it. Non sequitur fallacy.
What would you say to the charge that you have been stealing a moral framework from Christianity, atheism having no standards at all?
"What would you say to the charge that you have been stealing a moral framework from Christianity"
I would say: please prove that.
"atheism having no standards at all?"
I would say: so what? How is that relevant to anything?
@sound.of.science
As Dostoevsky, a former atheist, stated,
"Without God, everything is permitted."
Can't you understand his faultless logic?
If ultimately there is no omniscient and omnipotent Moral Authority to account to, if one can escape into oblivion, then why not get away with whatever you can? That has been the reasoning of the very worst offenders. You are making yourself complicit in their crimes by assuring them this is the case.
"As Dostoevsky, a former atheist, stated,
"Without God, everything is permitted.""
So obviously, he was wrong. We humans invented the rule of law.
"If ultimately there is no omniscient and omnipotent Moral Authority to account to"
Then we account to ourselves and our fellow human beings. As humanity has been doing for the past thousands of years.
"if one can escape into oblivion, then why not get away with whatever you can?"
But you can't. If you feel like trying that, chances are you will meet the law sooner or later. And most people simply are not like that. They don't want to get away with bad stuff. They want to be good people and treat each other with respect.
"You are making yourself complicit in their crimes by assuring them this is the case."
Which I don't. I am a proponent of long prison sentences for serious criminals.
Lets go with a good definition of moral right/ objective good
A particular action is good or moral if it promotes happiness health or wellbeing or it reduces suffering or it does both. Similarly, a particular action is bad or immoral if it diminishes happiness health or wellbeing or promotes suffering or, again, does both.
@@deniss2623 There were civilizations millennia older than Christianity and those had laws against murder and theft. If you want to frame it as “stealing”, the Jews stole the moral framework of Hammurabi by copy pasting most of his legal code into the Bible.
As for modern Christian moral framework (about equality, the banning of slavery, etc.) Christianity has stolen it from humanists and philosophers of the enlightenment and now passes it as their own.
But my first objection would be to ask which is exactly the Christian “framework” that has been stolen and where I can find a detailed list all Christians agree upon. And no, “everyone knows that hurting kids for fun is wrong” doesn’t cut it. It’s just a way to evade the problem that Christians do not have a morality of their own: they adopt the morality of the society they live in. Society changes and evolves and morality changes and evolved with it. And you have just to read the Bible to see how true that is.
Morality doesn’t come from god, it comes from society. Accountability comes from society not from an imaginary friend. The imaginary god who will come after you is used to try and convince to behave people with asocial tendencies.
You don’t need anyone to tell you not to murder, not steal, not be violent if you are a good person. If you think without god people would behave as criminals that tells me that I don’t want you as my neighbor. Please stay Christian.
You have no argument. 😂 All you do is make fun of and name call.
Yeah. I agree. Frank Turek is a real grifter. His arguments are stupid and never appeal to anyone who were not already in his camp. From who he grift money.
@tomasverner5354 You're making my point. If you have a legitimate argument, please share it, but all this channel does is name call.
@@toddduchesne1749 No. I agreed with you.
@@toddduchesne1749maybe because religion is a joke?
@@toddduchesne1749 From my own experience with Christianity, I got sick of being called a miserable sinner and evil-doer that must depend on the brutal sacrifice of Jesus in order to be "saved" from eternal torture.