Waspinator could also work with a version of Rocklord Shard. The rock parts would have to be heavily retooled but it still gives Waspinator a helicopter mode and the ability to come apart too.
Legacy Windblade as Airazor is such an easy choice man. It’s not a very earth looking jet, its cybertronian enough and fits the look if you retool the head
Knowing how things work, we can assume we will eventually get a dawn of future’s past line like we did with shattered glass. Like I swear someone at hasbro is subscribed, because I called them making a toy accurate repaiant of Blackarachnia in one of TJ’s video.
I think a perfect opportunity for a Cybertronian Scorponok would be the Siege Brunt mold. Its head already resembles Scorponok, it has the claws and low-to-the-ground altmode, and the cannon on his back resembles the scorpion tail.
Scorponok is the one who should have an excavator alt mode, tbh. Fits the "dumb bruiser who's still got some technical knowhow" character type, and the articulated bucket scoop evokes a scorpion tail decently enough.
I wish I could find the original video where "fist with wheels" was used to describe FoC Optimus. IIRC in that video he also compared WfC Optimus to a rhinoceros.
@@NerdRahtio Thank you! My rationale for "swapping" DOFP Cheetor and Rattrap's alts was that Prowl's bike mode and proportions fit Cheetor like a glove (even more so when you consider that Cheetor and Tigatron are the BW equivalent of the Datsuns) and Rattrap needed something smaller (with BB's rockets and stingers repurposed as some of Rattrap's sabotage tools).
I think Newage nailed it for Depth Charge, retooling Cyclonus would work perfect for him I think! I seriously wanna see stuff like this from Hasbro, either as con exclusive or even as a retailer exclusive line or just... I dunno, but make it happen!
I think Siege Brunt would work well for Scorponok. The huge cannon coming from a turret in the back kind of gives me scorpion vibes, and the robot mode having pincher claws also fits Megatron's favorite loyal brute before Inferno arrived.
Scorponok as Brunt and THEN you can use Ratchet for Tarantulas. The shoulders reminds of the Transmetal one. Also, I know she doesn't have a toy in this set, but BlackArachnia as BB Arcee would work.
16:40 AGREED, I wanted it to be Filch for her slim figure. The Earthrise bulky backpack does not work. Maybe in the future we'll see a much more slim Filch, maybe even accurate. There's other Corvicons.
You could use Velocitron Override for Tigatron and Cheetor. It's bigger than a Deluxe but smaller than most Voyager, looks fast as hell, and has a more organic looking robot mode. Just paint the vehicle window a cool way and you can get a cheetor/tigatron-looking deco. All you'd need to remold is the head and possibly the arms (since they don't affect the transformation much)
They could even remold the weapon so it flips out a single barrel and has a pink turbine on the back (for vehicle mode) instead of wings -- or, even better, curved wings that transform _into_ a turbine -- so it resembles his 'gut gun'.
Rats are *extremely* fast. And ridiculously agile. If the Iguanus figure wasn't so blocky shaped, I'd agree. Unfortunately, I think most recent bikes are either kinda blocky or are too big. If something could be done about the shape when retooling though, yeah, it might work. If you really want that Transtech vibe, maybe doing a heavy retool of the Bumblebee Movie Arcee mould would work? It'd definitely have that wheel legs vibe Cheetor's Transtech design seemed to be going for. Admittedly you'd lose the F1 car shape, but the robot mode would be spot-on. Tigertron never sat right for me as being a Cheetor copy - because he sure as heck doesn't act like one! He also hasn't the speed Cheetor is known for, so I don't see any harm in giving him something else (well, I guess other than maybe the cost). That said, I'm not sure what mould I'd go for. Waspinator... see... if Shard (yes, the Infernac) didn't have to be so heavily remoulded for it to look right, I'd have picked that instead. Shape-wise it looks a lot more like him, and you still get the disassembly gimmick. Everything else is pretty spot-on. I was um-ing and ah-ing about OP being Tarn, but actually it's a pretty good fit. I had an idea about Ravage... Ravage is pretty complicated because the only option you'd get if you played it straight is any of the robot cassettes we've had recently. But... imagine modifying him to be a sort of breastforce-like component for say... the Jihaxus mould. Obviously modified to look like an upgraded Ravage. The idea would be that he could be both the cassette and the transwarp vessel he was sent with. Of course, the issue is Ravage was one of the shorter lived characters in the series, but he was highly memorable, which works in his favour.
if we wanna stretch the conditions you’re working by a bit, what if ss86 hot rod as cheetor and kingdom rodimus as tigatron? they’ve got that similar designs at different sizes thing going primarily, but they also have the pipes on their arms which would be a great homage to the clocker mold’s pipes, and are generally a good match for the shape of that altmode.
When I headcanon this idea with Combiner Was I came to the conclusion that Tigatron should be a Pickup Truck/SUV type Car. That said, a modern Cybertronian Pickup/SUV type is hard to come by...
These would make such good 3 or 4 packs of figures, maybe for a beast wars anniversary or a comic tie in release but we definitely need new versions of these characters
Cheetor: use the Hot Rod mold (released as the deluxe it is). Then use Rodimus without the trailer for Tigatron. I agree with Brunt for Scorponok and maybe Windblade for Airrazor.
Armada Hoist makes a good Lighting Strike Coalition Sludge. The head works on Siege Ironhide for Kup. That Cybertron "mold" Rattrap is good for a Packrat
here's how i'd do it Optimus Primal - Legacy Bulkhead Cheetor/Tigatron - Legacy Velocitron Blurr or Legacy Override Rattrap - Legacy Iguanus Rhinox - Legacy Wreckers Impactor (but with the IDW head) Dinobot - Siege/SS86 Springer Airazor - Legacy United Windblade Silverbolt - Legacy Armada Starscream Depth Charge - Kingdom Cyclonus Megatron - Earthrise Grapple (heavy retool replacing the crane with a missile launcher instead, plus the claw and stencil if you apply on both hands evoke the t-rex head and tail) Terrorsaur - Legacy Evolution Needlenose Waspinator/Inferno - Siege Spinister Tarantulas - Siege Mirage (but with the Leadfoot head tooling) Scorponok - Siege Brunt Blackarachnia - Legacy Elita-1/Minerva Quickstrike - Legacy Evolution Crashbar Rampage/Protoform X - Legacy Evolution Tarn
What about a remold of Shard for Waspinator? Its a helicopter and it splits apart! As for Airazor, you could potentially use the Cyberverse deluxe Starscream. It has a pretty distinct design and the weapons mount on the forearms like Airazor's do.
18:27 The thing is that the "theft for the golden disk" cartoon actually has a more fitting mold for scroponok which just never got made as a physical toy, that being Cybertron Shortround. Of course if you wanted to go a little TOO obvious there was also Energon Scorponok (but that figure got turned into a different Scoroponok as a convention exclusive.)
15:04 with Megatron being purple, the dragon actually works as a DOUBLE reference - not just to Transmetal 2, but also to his original Beast Machines design, where was he was envisioned as being the TM2 dragon in Season 1 purple!
I did smth like this a lil while ago. I actually went with Siege Springer for Primal, cause he’s a futuristic car like Crumplezone and hes got big shoulders, two swords and a flight mode like Primal
I think that Legacy Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing mold would work really well for Depthcharge. He's big, with wings on his back, and you can kinda reimagine jet alt-mode into something manta-looking.
I will be honest I think for Waspinator Shard would be a fantastic fit, the cockpit becomes chest, legs become back, becomes a helicopter, and can detach into pieces.
Honestly considering Cheetor’s original design feels like THE animal equivalent to an archetypal G1 car guy with the head ending up where a hood usually did, but also a need for speed, AND needing to balance out Tigatron’s size, I think there’s an argument to be made for making them Siege Sideswipe & Red Alert. Not the most Cybertronian car, but with the right details it could sell it I think. That or I think SS86 Hot Rod would make a decent compromise, with the spoiler reflecting the shell chunks of their og toys.
A few more ideas to add onto this… Transmutate: the Legacy Ariel mold from the war dawn 2-Pack with legacy prime arcee’s head, since Ariel is a retool of prime arcee. Or just straight up do a legacy prime arcee recolor. Depth Charge: a recolor of kingdom cyclonus or star raider ferak with depth charge’s head. Airrazor: Legacy United Windblade mold, similar to the Funpub airrazor from combiner wars
It would take a fair amount of retooling but I think the Legacy United Shard would make an excellent Waspinator. And it also has the pull apart gimmick. I may be biased because of the colors.
I think the Bumblebee concept Sunstreaker would be a good fit for Cheetor and Tigertron. The sleek fast look along with the heroic looking silhouette would be great. As for Scorponock the APC that they made into Tarantulas would work well. Just enough bulk but still small by comparison, plus the weapon looks a lot like a stinger. Anyway I digress, great video and ideas and look forward to seeing more. Thanks for what you do.
waspinator should absolutely be Shard (the helicopter rock guy). Granted it would take a lot of retooling to make him not a rock anymore but like sixgun, he can disassemble!
Double Dealer there kind of turns BW Megs into a bit of BW II Galvatron, so that’s a nice addition as well I think the Brunt mold would be perfect for Scorponok, the tank mode even looks scorpion-like and he has claws! Armada Starscream for Terrorsaur
I had an odd though, Cyberteon Megatron mold for Primal, like, change the spike weapon to something else and get rid of the rest of the spikes, and yes it doesn’t have the possibilities for the shoulder cannons, but I genuinely think it could be a decent mold for Primal
I honestly agree with all of these picks except Waspinator, I feel like if u want the best of both worlds between the helicopter mode and the pull apart gimmick, the first one that came to mind was the legacy united Infernac Shard, hell he already kinda looks like waspinator so some retooling to make him more waspinator like, with the chest and the head and ur pretty much good to do, u dont even need to recolor it too much lol
I do like how the Blaster on Bumblebee Ratchet's vehicle mode kind of resembles a Scorpion's Metasoma. You should give the rest of the BW characters a video if you can think of them all.
Okay, I like some of your alternate choices for some of the characters. However I'm still looking for the original dawn of Futures Past bot con 5-piece set. Preferably both in box and 1mint in box box.
For Rattrap, my first thought is Beachcomber. I know it's not exactly Cybertronian looking but hey, remolds exist and I think it could be simple enough to handle that. For Cheetor, I'd go with ss86 Blurr as a reference to Animated (i also like the thought of using Hot Rod). There's no good options for a similar looking but larger mold for Tigatron, and to that, I ask why they need to be that way. I'd argue they don't because this is before the Beast Wars, Tigatron could've looked like anything because he was one of the protoforms. With that being said, I'd choose Hound to be Tigatron's mold. I actually really like Springer as Dinobot, alongside another element of his spinning tail thing coming from the Springer helicopter blades. Rhinox and Primal have me stumped. I don't know if I like your choices for them but I don't know what I would want instead. I have a good idea for Airazor, though, hear me out, Tracks. Yet again, it'll probably need a good amount of remolding for it to look more Cybertronian, but I really like how that works out. For Optimus Primal, I like the thought of maijg him out of As for the Predacons, I'm happy with all of the Predacons you came up with, and I don't care about BW Scorponok enough to put any thought into his design.
Optimus Primal: Siege Springer New head and chest (nly use if replacing Dinobot) or Legacy Override (new head and chest) Dinobot: Legacy Bludgeo, new head, retool shoulders to not suck, keep sword Airazor: Legacy Windblade Rampage: Legacy Skyquake
Rat Trap - Beachcomber Dinobot - One of the junkion motorcycle molds Rhinox - studio series bumblebee movie ironhide or studio series rotb wheeljack Cheetor/tigertron- studio series bumblebee movie concept sunstreaker Primal - tarn or studio series rotb scourge Waspinator - legacy united shard Megatron - studio series bayverse Shockwave Skorponok - Studio series battle trap Tarantulas - upscaled to deluxe studio series terrorcon freezer Terrorsaur - legacy united cybertron starscream Black arachnia - legacy animated prowl or legacy windblade Air razor- legacy windblade Silverbolt - WFC Springer
I figured I'd attempt to tackle the ones TJ didn't in the video. I know it's a very small brained move, but I'd make Legacy Windblade into Airrazor. I know that design is too bulky for her, though. I guess if I were to break size class restriction, I'd go to Legacy Armada Starscream, since he overall has more of a slim build than Legacy Windblade. Silverbolt I'd make out of Titans Return Alpha Trion (Hasbro has shown a willingness to go that far back for capsule lines and Gen Selects) Though, if I had to completely avoid any animal modes, I'd choose Legacy Skyquake. Blackarachnia, in sticking with your theme of making Tarantulas a motorcycle I'd make out of Bumblebee Arcee. Depth Charge I'd make out of Studio Series 86 Scourge. Sure he has the screen accurate spaceboat mode, rather than the old Generations' stealth bomber look. A shame, given how well that would work for a Stingray. That said, those massive wings in bot mode would give him his silhouette. Terrorsaur I'd make out of Needlenose Inferno I'd make out of Legacy Jihaxus. He has a wide enough chest and emphasizes Inferno's flight capability. Quickstrike...okay he was really tough, but I think I'd go for Siege Skytread. There isn't a single modern generations toy that would give him his proper big arm and snake tail look. However, I think Skytread leans into the whole Fuzor angle with the two alt modes, and any leader class triple changer would be too large for him. I know Tigerhawk wouldn't be on Cybertron, but just for fun I'd make them out of Legacy Blitzwing.
I would not even touch certain characters Botcon did because I don't think they should have been done in the first place. The whole point of Dawn of the Future's Past is to give Pre-Earth Cybertronian vehicle modes to the Beast Wars cast so for that the only characters I actually want to see are. The original Axalon crew: Optimus Primal: I really like the original Botcon choice and I think the Grimlockimus version works even better mostly because it has those same wide shoulders that Crumplezone was missing and he even made the chest look more like Primal. Tarn feels like it was chosen for the same reason as Crumplezone, just cause you can flip the cannons over the shoulders. You could probably make it work I just would like to see more of a connection. Also Power of the Primes Optimus minus the Optimal upgrade armor, just the base figure, kind of looks like a Dawn of Future's Past design because it's not a gorilla, it only has a vehicle mode and is already intentionally designed to be that character. Rhinox: I never liked the original pick. The head doesn't look like him. Oddly enough I always thought that the head sculpt on Emperor Palpatine/Imperial Shuttle looked like Rhinox and if you remove the wings so it's not so obviously the Imperial Shuttle then the vehicle mode looks pretty similar to G1 Wheeljack's Cybertronian mode. I don't really like the idea of using an Optimus design for Rhinox because I think it would be too hard to not see Optimus even if they retool it. Cheetor: I really didn't like the Clocker mold because it's a convertable, it already doesn't make sense why Cybertronian vehicles would have spots for Human passengers but using something where you can clearly see the seating just doesn't work for me... and it's too small. Your logic for using Mirage makes sense. Sideswipe also looks good as Cheetor but I have a better idea in mind. First off I think they should have used Cybertron Hot Shot the first time because both characters kind of homage Hot Rod and fill similar roles in their shows. Another one I think would work really well... if we ever got a good modern version... would be Tracks because I feel like Cheetor's flight mode in his transmetal form was a homage to Tracks having a similar flight mode. Though considering Cheetor didn't know how to fly right away I doubt his Cybertronian mode had that function. I could also see him as a Bumblebee retool but it's have to be the Cybertronian mode from the Bumblebee movie or Transformers One because I don't think any other Bumblebee would fit a Cybertronian Cheetor. Rattrap: I wouldn't keep him a Motorcycle unless you used a design that didn't have an obvious seat on it. Just like with convertable I really want it to look more alien and not like something a human could ride. I think retooling Bumblebee movie Arcee would be the only mold that could make that vehicle mode work and would be a funny homage to Rattrap name dropping that Arcee is his great aunt. The original Darksyde crew: Megatron: I don't really like the original mold. Double dealer could be a good modern version of it though I'd tool out the beast mode entirely cause a Pre-Earth Megatron shouldn't already have a beast mode. I think that vehicle mode would work better if you could mount the rocket to his arm rather than his shoulder. And I'd put it on the left arm to kind of mimick his tail weapon. It's hard to think of anything that could go on the right arm in place of the beast mode head without making him a construction vehicle that I don't think would suit him. Scorponok: Him I do think would suit some sort of construction vehicle. He has been depicted in fiction as Energon Scoponok and the mold you fan moded into a toilet on a Plastic Addict video. I really don't know... Terrorsaur: Honestly he looks so much like Starscream anyway just make him a Starscream mold. Waspinator: Not going to lie... using a mold that's designed to disassemble would be funny. I'd want to use one of the later molds that can actually transform though. I don't want him to partsform. Tarantulus: I never thought a motorcycle fit him. I understand why ot just doesn't work for me. I kind of want him to be some type of vehicle with a wentch attachment that the hook and rope can kind of act like his web hook in beast mode... so most likely a tow truck or a small jeep cause making him a truck might be too big. Dinobot: I'm surprised Beast Hunters Ratchet wasn't repainted into Dinobot because they made him into a Dinobot homage for some weird reason. And other Misc. characters The Tripredacus Council: I like the combiner team they did but these guys really should be a 3 team comber without randomly throwing in Tarantulus and Ravage into the team too. And the first 3 team combiner I can think of that would work for them is that Thrilling 30 Mini-con set. You make Ramhorn the tank, Cicadacon the Helicopter, and Seaclamp the jet... which doesn't work as well as the other 2. Depth Charge: Honestly always thought Cybertron Soundwave would work really well for him. Protoform X/Rampage: I do not like Bumblebee movie Soundwave as Soundwave but as Rampage oh my gawd that works so well and it's funny that the bigest rivals in the show both ended up as Soundwave retools. The other Protoforms like Tigatron and Airrazor shouldn't even have Cybertronian forms because they were born on Earth. I'm making at exception for Rampage because of his back story from what I understood in the show he wasn't really a protoform, that was a cover for their mission to dispose of him. He was just being held in stasis but was already a fully formed Cybertronian which is why his pod had to be so much bigger than the others. The show also made a big deal earlier about how actual Protoforms like Airrazor were essentially entirely new Cybertronians being brought online for the first time so having them exist on Cybertron just contradicts their origins on Earth. So we really don't have to worry about picking a mold that works for both Cheetor and Tigatron because there shouldn't even be a Tigatron. I'm also making an exception for Ravage not being included because he already had a beast mode since that is G1 Ravage so there's no need to make a Cybertronian mode for him. I would also like to see the idea expanded on with giving Cybertronian modes to the Japanese Beast Wars characters who don't already have canon vehicle modes, so that excludes most of the BWII Predacons. And by the way... I feel like that mold was chosen for Waspinator just so he would share both the Dirge and Dirgun molds from BWII. But by that logic Dinobot should have used the Thrust mold since Thustor was a Dinobot retool. I don't know enough about Japanese Beast Wars to know who should have Cybertronan modes beyond just looking at the cast list in the pilot though.
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“Rats are not particularly fast like a motorcycle is supposed to be”
Spoken like a man who has never seen a rat run
Waspinator could also work with a version of Rocklord Shard. The rock parts would have to be heavily retooled but it still gives Waspinator a helicopter mode and the ability to come apart too.
Love it.
I said the same thing.
Legacy Windblade as Airazor is such an easy choice man. It’s not a very earth looking jet, its cybertronian enough and fits the look if you retool the head
Ah, someone else who advocates for the “recreate BotCon 2016 Airazor” option!
TJ casually dropping a peak idea episode on a sunday afternoon
Knowing how things work, we can assume we will eventually get a dawn of future’s past line like we did with shattered glass. Like I swear someone at hasbro is subscribed, because I called them making a toy accurate repaiant of Blackarachnia in one of TJ’s video.
I think a perfect opportunity for a Cybertronian Scorponok would be the Siege Brunt mold. Its head already resembles Scorponok, it has the claws and low-to-the-ground altmode, and the cannon on his back resembles the scorpion tail.
@TJOmega: This, This right here is the perfect pre-Earth Scorponok idea.
I was gonna post the same thing!
I had the same thought!
In general Brunt gives off scorponok vibes
Siege Brunt would be the PERFECT Scorpanok. he's a cybertronian tank, but still holds a bit of a scorpion shape. AND his hands ar claws!
Scorponok is the one who should have an excavator alt mode, tbh. Fits the "dumb bruiser who's still got some technical knowhow" character type, and the articulated bucket scoop evokes a scorpion tail decently enough.
I wish I could find the original video where "fist with wheels" was used to describe FoC Optimus. IIRC in that video he also compared WfC Optimus to a rhinoceros.
13:47 honestly Shard from Legacy already looks lik waspinator and can be dissasembled,is a helicopter, etc. so id use him
the idea of waspinator being his own weaponizer is hilarious to me
Primal: Pre-War Collection Orion Pax
Rhinox: Legacy Bulkhead
Rattrap: United Animated Bumblebee
Cheetor: Evolution Animated Prowl
Airazor: United Cyberverse Windblade
Tigatron: SS86 Scrapheap
Megatron: Siege Impactor
Scorponok: Legacy Pointblank (w/ Peacemaker repurposed as the Cyber-bee)
Terrorsaur: Evolution Needlenose
Tarantulas: Legacy Prime Knock-Out (ironic given that he and Tarantulas were wave-mates)
Waspinator: Siege Spinister
Dinobot: Evolution Tarn (w/ Bludgeon's sword)
I would have used the Override mold for Cheetor and Tigatron.
Solid choices especially Cheetor, I think that’s perfect
Impactor is way too small to be used for Megatron. Your Tigatron and Dinobot would be taller than him
@@gavin_riggs Perhaps Legacy Prime Arcee would make a better Tigatron and Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing would make a better Megatron, _yesss_
@@NerdRahtio Thank you! My rationale for "swapping" DOFP Cheetor and Rattrap's alts was that Prowl's bike mode and proportions fit Cheetor like a glove (even more so when you consider that Cheetor and Tigatron are the BW equivalent of the Datsuns) and Rattrap needed something smaller (with BB's rockets and stingers repurposed as some of Rattrap's sabotage tools).
I think Newage nailed it for Depth Charge, retooling Cyclonus would work perfect for him I think!
I seriously wanna see stuff like this from Hasbro, either as con exclusive or even as a retailer exclusive line or just... I dunno, but make it happen!
Just realized the name is a play on marvel’s days of futures past storyline
I already made these guys a few times. Cheetor and Tigatron out of the Siege Sideswipe, etc
I think Siege Brunt would work well for Scorponok. The huge cannon coming from a turret in the back kind of gives me scorpion vibes, and the robot mode having pincher claws also fits Megatron's favorite loyal brute before Inferno arrived.
Saw a digibash of that same idea years ago
Scorponok as Brunt and THEN you can use Ratchet for Tarantulas. The shoulders reminds of the Transmetal one. Also, I know she doesn't have a toy in this set, but BlackArachnia as BB Arcee would work.
16:40 AGREED, I wanted it to be Filch for her slim figure. The Earthrise bulky backpack does not work. Maybe in the future we'll see a much more slim Filch, maybe even accurate. There's other Corvicons.
The newish Bulkhead is what i used for Rhinox
You could use Velocitron Override for Tigatron and Cheetor. It's bigger than a Deluxe but smaller than most Voyager, looks fast as hell, and has a more organic looking robot mode. Just paint the vehicle window a cool way and you can get a cheetor/tigatron-looking deco. All you'd need to remold is the head and possibly the arms (since they don't affect the transformation much)
They could even remold the weapon so it flips out a single barrel and has a pink turbine on the back (for vehicle mode) instead of wings -- or, even better, curved wings that transform _into_ a turbine -- so it resembles his 'gut gun'.
Great minds think alike, I instantly thought of the Mirage mold for Cheetor for this possible future sub-line.
13:47 I got one better. Legacy United Shard. A helicopter and it comes apart for the Armorizer gimmick.
Perfect. It's already green, too.
Crashbar could be a nice Tarantulas
I would say Brunt would make for a better option for Scorponok but all the other choices were pretty well done!
Rats are *extremely* fast. And ridiculously agile. If the Iguanus figure wasn't so blocky shaped, I'd agree. Unfortunately, I think most recent bikes are either kinda blocky or are too big. If something could be done about the shape when retooling though, yeah, it might work.
If you really want that Transtech vibe, maybe doing a heavy retool of the Bumblebee Movie Arcee mould would work? It'd definitely have that wheel legs vibe Cheetor's Transtech design seemed to be going for. Admittedly you'd lose the F1 car shape, but the robot mode would be spot-on.
Tigertron never sat right for me as being a Cheetor copy - because he sure as heck doesn't act like one! He also hasn't the speed Cheetor is known for, so I don't see any harm in giving him something else (well, I guess other than maybe the cost). That said, I'm not sure what mould I'd go for.
Waspinator... see... if Shard (yes, the Infernac) didn't have to be so heavily remoulded for it to look right, I'd have picked that instead. Shape-wise it looks a lot more like him, and you still get the disassembly gimmick.
Everything else is pretty spot-on. I was um-ing and ah-ing about OP being Tarn, but actually it's a pretty good fit.
I had an idea about Ravage... Ravage is pretty complicated because the only option you'd get if you played it straight is any of the robot cassettes we've had recently. But... imagine modifying him to be a sort of breastforce-like component for say... the Jihaxus mould. Obviously modified to look like an upgraded Ravage. The idea would be that he could be both the cassette and the transwarp vessel he was sent with. Of course, the issue is Ravage was one of the shorter lived characters in the series, but he was highly memorable, which works in his favour.
Primal: G2 APC Autoroller
Rhinox: G2 Roadblock
Cheetor: G2 Flipchanger Light-Speed
Rattrap: G1 Wheelie
Megatron: G2 Dirtbag
Waspinator: G2 Jet Autoroller
(To be updated)
if we wanna stretch the conditions you’re working by a bit, what if ss86 hot rod as cheetor and kingdom rodimus as tigatron? they’ve got that similar designs at different sizes thing going primarily, but they also have the pipes on their arms which would be a great homage to the clocker mold’s pipes, and are generally a good match for the shape of that altmode.
When I headcanon this idea with Combiner Was I came to the conclusion that Tigatron should be a Pickup Truck/SUV type Car.
That said, a modern Cybertronian Pickup/SUV type is hard to come by...
These would make such good 3 or 4 packs of figures, maybe for a beast wars anniversary or a comic tie in release but we definitely need new versions of these characters
Shard could be another one for a Waspinator that can fall to pieces, but the rock look would probably have to go
Cheetor: use the Hot Rod mold (released as the deluxe it is). Then use Rodimus without the trailer for Tigatron. I agree with Brunt for Scorponok and maybe Windblade for Airrazor.
I feel like the studio series bonecrusher can do a nice Scorponok.
Maybe with several and even extensive modifications.
I think Bulkhead would make for a good Optimus Primal. Obviously it’s nothing like the original Crumplezone toy but it still works.
Personally I like the Animated Prowl body for Dinobot. … Maybe an upscaled version admittedly 😅
Also: Brunt as Scorponok
Cheetor : Bumblebee Movie Sunstreaker
Armada Hoist makes a good Lighting Strike Coalition Sludge. The head works on Siege Ironhide for Kup. That Cybertron "mold" Rattrap is good for a Packrat
here's how i'd do it
Optimus Primal - Legacy Bulkhead
Cheetor/Tigatron - Legacy Velocitron Blurr or Legacy Override
Rattrap - Legacy Iguanus
Rhinox - Legacy Wreckers Impactor (but with the IDW head)
Dinobot - Siege/SS86 Springer
Airazor - Legacy United Windblade
Silverbolt - Legacy Armada Starscream
Depth Charge - Kingdom Cyclonus
Megatron - Earthrise Grapple (heavy retool replacing the crane with a missile launcher instead, plus the claw and stencil if you apply on both hands evoke the t-rex head and tail)
Terrorsaur - Legacy Evolution Needlenose
Waspinator/Inferno - Siege Spinister
Tarantulas - Siege Mirage (but with the Leadfoot head tooling)
Scorponok - Siege Brunt
Blackarachnia - Legacy Elita-1/Minerva
Quickstrike - Legacy Evolution Crashbar
Rampage/Protoform X - Legacy Evolution Tarn
What about a remold of Shard for Waspinator? Its a helicopter and it splits apart! As for Airazor, you could potentially use the Cyberverse deluxe Starscream. It has a pretty distinct design and the weapons mount on the forearms like Airazor's do.
18:27 The thing is that the "theft for the golden disk" cartoon actually has a more fitting mold for scroponok which just never got made as a physical toy, that being Cybertron Shortround. Of course if you wanted to go a little TOO obvious there was also Energon Scorponok (but that figure got turned into a different Scoroponok as a convention exclusive.)
"it's kind of hard to find a deluxe vehicle that looks like a scorpion"
*Siege brunt has entered the room*
15:04 with Megatron being purple, the dragon actually works as a DOUBLE reference - not just to Transmetal 2, but also to his original Beast Machines design, where was he was envisioned as being the TM2 dragon in Season 1 purple!
I’ve been waiting for something like this.
14:40 They could also pull a similar trick to one of Doubledealer's third-party toys where they retooled it into Stalker and removed the bird mode.
I thought at the time that Cybetron Override would have made a much better Cheetor than Clocker, so I would pick Velocitron Override today.
Having a fall-apart Waspinator would be flippin' hilarious!
I did smth like this a lil while ago. I actually went with Siege Springer for Primal, cause he’s a futuristic car like Crumplezone and hes got big shoulders, two swords and a flight mode like Primal
I think that sixgun really works because all the colors in robot mode end up where they should be in vehicle mode, also a vtol wasp just makes sense.
I think that Legacy Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing mold would work really well for Depthcharge. He's big, with wings on his back, and you can kinda reimagine jet alt-mode into something manta-looking.
10:03 - 10:10 In reference to Beast Wars: Uprising, would Legacy: Skyquake work as Silverbolt's Cybertronian vehicle mode?
I will be honest I think for Waspinator Shard would be a fantastic fit, the cockpit becomes chest, legs become back, becomes a helicopter, and can detach into pieces.
11:35 Would this mold work as Thunderclash (based on Mastermind Creations version)?
Override for Cheetor, also references Transtech... Shard for Waspinator (would require a full reshell, but that would have other uses too).
Honestly considering Cheetor’s original design feels like THE animal equivalent to an archetypal G1 car guy with the head ending up where a hood usually did, but also a need for speed, AND needing to balance out Tigatron’s size, I think there’s an argument to be made for making them Siege Sideswipe & Red Alert. Not the most Cybertronian car, but with the right details it could sell it I think. That or I think SS86 Hot Rod would make a decent compromise, with the spoiler reflecting the shell chunks of their og toys.
A few more ideas to add onto this…
Transmutate: the Legacy Ariel mold from the war dawn 2-Pack with legacy prime arcee’s head, since Ariel is a retool of prime arcee. Or just straight up do a legacy prime arcee recolor.
Depth Charge: a recolor of kingdom cyclonus or star raider ferak with depth charge’s head.
Airrazor: Legacy United Windblade mold, similar to the Funpub airrazor from combiner wars
I think Titans Return Blurr would be a good Cheetor if they retooled it to get rid of the Headmaster gimmick and add ankle tilt
In a similar styling I would’ve picked the Walmart idw retool of studio series blurr. Also works for an animated homage 😅
I honestly think that Primal would work really well using the armada prime’s mold since that design was an reference to beast wars and G2
Man seeing the crumplezone mold makes me miss my old one. But I think a Tarn mold could work, especially with the shoulder canons
I love that you're content is always so entertaining and constant
The bumblebee soundwave figures' Chest cavity could be remolded to include a spark chamber.
Siege Brunt would make a good Scorponok. His alternate mode has a "tail", and his robot mode has claws.
14:20 I believe Pete Sinclair had a similar idea on his Twitter page.
I love when people do this with BotCon sets. I might have to do the wings of honor set myself.
Scorponok: Siege Brunt
Terrorsaur: SS core Starscream
Airazor: Legacy Windblade
Blackarachnia: BB Arcee
Inferno: GE Barricade
I would love to see my favorite gamer, edition mold as Rhinox for Dawn of Future’s Past 2.0
It would take a fair amount of retooling but I think the Legacy United Shard would make an excellent Waspinator. And it also has the pull apart gimmick. I may be biased because of the colors.
I think the Bumblebee concept Sunstreaker would be a good fit for Cheetor and Tigertron. The sleek fast look along with the heroic looking silhouette would be great. As for Scorponock the APC that they made into Tarantulas would work well. Just enough bulk but still small by comparison, plus the weapon looks a lot like a stinger. Anyway I digress, great video and ideas and look forward to seeing more. Thanks for what you do.
Rats can get anywhere and everywhere, think Beachcomber may work pretty well as an alternative for Rattrap
waspinator should absolutely be Shard (the helicopter rock guy). Granted it would take a lot of retooling to make him not a rock anymore but like sixgun, he can disassemble!
I would've went for Blurr. Nice little homage to his BotCon Animated toy
Double Dealer there kind of turns BW Megs into a bit of BW II Galvatron, so that’s a nice addition as well
I think the Brunt mold would be perfect for Scorponok, the tank mode even looks scorpion-like and he has claws!
Armada Starscream for Terrorsaur
Cheetor: 86 Hotrod
Tigatron: Kingdom Rodimus, with his "trailer" painted like Tigerhawk
8:41 I really thought you were going to Choose sideswipe or gamer edition sideswipe
New ideas are good. I would like to see the original figures get remakes then repaint them into Cybertron Mode Maximals and Predacons.
A heavy retool of Legacy United Shard might also work for Waspinator
Inferno is a favorite of mine, so I'd like to see him specifically. Id vote studio series BB Shockwave
I had an odd though, Cyberteon Megatron mold for Primal, like, change the spike weapon to something else and get rid of the rest of the spikes, and yes it doesn’t have the possibilities for the shoulder cannons, but I genuinely think it could be a decent mold for Primal
Botcon Razorclaw using the Legacy Leo Prime is a given 😅
Imo, with Primal i would use the CW rook or T30 trailblazer mold as his pre-BW form. i would also add Burnout
The colours may be too similar already but Infernac Shard could be Waspinator.
It's a helicoptor and is designed to come apart.
idea i had ages ago was to use Galaxy Upgrade Optimus as Primal.
do the core body in season 1 colours, and the armour in Optimal.
I didn’t like that apc as tarantulas, but I love the colors on that mold and that mold itself.
I honestly agree with all of these picks except Waspinator, I feel like if u want the best of both worlds between the helicopter mode and the pull apart gimmick, the first one that came to mind was the legacy united Infernac Shard, hell he already kinda looks like waspinator so some retooling to make him more waspinator like, with the chest and the head and ur pretty much good to do, u dont even need to recolor it too much lol
for rampage, they could even add in rumble/frenzy done up as transmutate
I do like how the Blaster on Bumblebee Ratchet's vehicle mode kind of resembles a Scorpion's Metasoma. You should give the rest of the BW characters a video if you can think of them all.
Okay, I like some of your alternate choices for some of the characters. However I'm still looking for the original dawn of Futures Past bot con 5-piece set. Preferably both in box and 1mint in box box.
Spinister is the dead obvious choice for Waspinator.
For Rattrap, my first thought is Beachcomber. I know it's not exactly Cybertronian looking but hey, remolds exist and I think it could be simple enough to handle that. For Cheetor, I'd go with ss86 Blurr as a reference to Animated (i also like the thought of using Hot Rod). There's no good options for a similar looking but larger mold for Tigatron, and to that, I ask why they need to be that way. I'd argue they don't because this is before the Beast Wars, Tigatron could've looked like anything because he was one of the protoforms. With that being said, I'd choose Hound to be Tigatron's mold. I actually really like Springer as Dinobot, alongside another element of his spinning tail thing coming from the Springer helicopter blades. Rhinox and Primal have me stumped. I don't know if I like your choices for them but I don't know what I would want instead. I have a good idea for Airazor, though, hear me out, Tracks. Yet again, it'll probably need a good amount of remolding for it to look more Cybertronian, but I really like how that works out. For Optimus Primal, I like the thought of maijg him out of As for the Predacons, I'm happy with all of the Predacons you came up with, and I don't care about BW Scorponok enough to put any thought into his design.
love this idea TJ! 😎👍
Rat trap looks really good as the nw sunstreaker surprisingly
SSG+ Bumblebee would be perfect for Rattrap.
I would have gone with siege sideswipe for Taigatron. Still a fast car but a slightly larger and bulkier feeling one
Armorizer Shard for Waspinator. Shard has Waspinator’s head and is a helicopter.
Optimus Primal: Siege Springer New head and chest (nly use if replacing Dinobot) or Legacy Override (new head and chest)
Dinobot: Legacy Bludgeo, new head, retool shoulders to not suck, keep sword
Airazor: Legacy Windblade
Rampage: Legacy Skyquake
Here is a weird repaint with maybe some slight remolds i want to see snapdragon and megatron and or grimlock, apeface as optimus primal
Siege Brunt would’ve made a better Scorpinok
Animated Prime for the Primal and Thunderclash
Rat Trap - Beachcomber
Dinobot - One of the junkion motorcycle molds
Rhinox - studio series bumblebee movie ironhide or studio series rotb wheeljack
Cheetor/tigertron- studio series bumblebee movie concept sunstreaker
Primal - tarn or studio series rotb scourge
Waspinator - legacy united shard
Megatron - studio series bayverse Shockwave
Skorponok - Studio series battle trap
Tarantulas - upscaled to deluxe studio series terrorcon freezer
Terrorsaur - legacy united cybertron starscream
Black arachnia - legacy animated prowl or legacy windblade
Air razor- legacy windblade
Silverbolt - WFC Springer
Now I want a Waspinator figure that can be taken apart.
As long they don’t use any gold plastic it could work.
@@matthewelliott7294 Well, they don't use gold plastic anymore. And hopefully to make a disassembling Waspinator, they don't go back to it.
I figured I'd attempt to tackle the ones TJ didn't in the video.
I know it's a very small brained move, but I'd make Legacy Windblade into Airrazor. I know that design is too bulky for her, though. I guess if I were to break size class restriction, I'd go to Legacy Armada Starscream, since he overall has more of a slim build than Legacy Windblade.
Silverbolt I'd make out of Titans Return Alpha Trion (Hasbro has shown a willingness to go that far back for capsule lines and Gen Selects) Though, if I had to completely avoid any animal modes, I'd choose Legacy Skyquake.
Blackarachnia, in sticking with your theme of making Tarantulas a motorcycle I'd make out of Bumblebee Arcee.
Depth Charge I'd make out of Studio Series 86 Scourge. Sure he has the screen accurate spaceboat mode, rather than the old Generations' stealth bomber look. A shame, given how well that would work for a Stingray. That said, those massive wings in bot mode would give him his silhouette.
Terrorsaur I'd make out of Needlenose
Inferno I'd make out of Legacy Jihaxus. He has a wide enough chest and emphasizes Inferno's flight capability.
Quickstrike...okay he was really tough, but I think I'd go for Siege Skytread. There isn't a single modern generations toy that would give him his proper big arm and snake tail look. However, I think Skytread leans into the whole Fuzor angle with the two alt modes, and any leader class triple changer would be too large for him.
I know Tigerhawk wouldn't be on Cybertron, but just for fun I'd make them out of Legacy Blitzwing.
I would not even touch certain characters Botcon did because I don't think they should have been done in the first place.
The whole point of Dawn of the Future's Past is to give Pre-Earth Cybertronian vehicle modes to the Beast Wars cast so for that the only characters I actually want to see are.
The original Axalon crew:
Optimus Primal: I really like the original Botcon choice and I think the Grimlockimus version works even better mostly because it has those same wide shoulders that Crumplezone was missing and he even made the chest look more like Primal. Tarn feels like it was chosen for the same reason as Crumplezone, just cause you can flip the cannons over the shoulders. You could probably make it work I just would like to see more of a connection. Also Power of the Primes Optimus minus the Optimal upgrade armor, just the base figure, kind of looks like a Dawn of Future's Past design because it's not a gorilla, it only has a vehicle mode and is already intentionally designed to be that character.
Rhinox: I never liked the original pick. The head doesn't look like him. Oddly enough I always thought that the head sculpt on Emperor Palpatine/Imperial Shuttle looked like Rhinox and if you remove the wings so it's not so obviously the Imperial Shuttle then the vehicle mode looks pretty similar to G1 Wheeljack's Cybertronian mode. I don't really like the idea of using an Optimus design for Rhinox because I think it would be too hard to not see Optimus even if they retool it.
Cheetor: I really didn't like the Clocker mold because it's a convertable, it already doesn't make sense why Cybertronian vehicles would have spots for Human passengers but using something where you can clearly see the seating just doesn't work for me... and it's too small. Your logic for using Mirage makes sense. Sideswipe also looks good as Cheetor but I have a better idea in mind. First off I think they should have used Cybertron Hot Shot the first time because both characters kind of homage Hot Rod and fill similar roles in their shows. Another one I think would work really well... if we ever got a good modern version... would be Tracks because I feel like Cheetor's flight mode in his transmetal form was a homage to Tracks having a similar flight mode. Though considering Cheetor didn't know how to fly right away I doubt his Cybertronian mode had that function. I could also see him as a Bumblebee retool but it's have to be the Cybertronian mode from the Bumblebee movie or Transformers One because I don't think any other Bumblebee would fit a Cybertronian Cheetor.
Rattrap: I wouldn't keep him a Motorcycle unless you used a design that didn't have an obvious seat on it. Just like with convertable I really want it to look more alien and not like something a human could ride. I think retooling Bumblebee movie Arcee would be the only mold that could make that vehicle mode work and would be a funny homage to Rattrap name dropping that Arcee is his great aunt.
The original Darksyde crew:
Megatron: I don't really like the original mold. Double dealer could be a good modern version of it though I'd tool out the beast mode entirely cause a Pre-Earth Megatron shouldn't already have a beast mode. I think that vehicle mode would work better if you could mount the rocket to his arm rather than his shoulder. And I'd put it on the left arm to kind of mimick his tail weapon. It's hard to think of anything that could go on the right arm in place of the beast mode head without making him a construction vehicle that I don't think would suit him.
Scorponok: Him I do think would suit some sort of construction vehicle. He has been depicted in fiction as Energon Scoponok and the mold you fan moded into a toilet on a Plastic Addict video. I really don't know...
Terrorsaur: Honestly he looks so much like Starscream anyway just make him a Starscream mold.
Waspinator: Not going to lie... using a mold that's designed to disassemble would be funny. I'd want to use one of the later molds that can actually transform though. I don't want him to partsform.
Tarantulus: I never thought a motorcycle fit him. I understand why ot just doesn't work for me. I kind of want him to be some type of vehicle with a wentch attachment that the hook and rope can kind of act like his web hook in beast mode... so most likely a tow truck or a small jeep cause making him a truck might be too big.
Dinobot: I'm surprised Beast Hunters Ratchet wasn't repainted into Dinobot because they made him into a Dinobot homage for some weird reason.
And other Misc. characters
The Tripredacus Council: I like the combiner team they did but these guys really should be a 3 team comber without randomly throwing in Tarantulus and Ravage into the team too. And the first 3 team combiner I can think of that would work for them is that Thrilling 30 Mini-con set. You make Ramhorn the tank, Cicadacon the Helicopter, and Seaclamp the jet... which doesn't work as well as the other 2.
Depth Charge: Honestly always thought Cybertron Soundwave would work really well for him.
Protoform X/Rampage: I do not like Bumblebee movie Soundwave as Soundwave but as Rampage oh my gawd that works so well and it's funny that the bigest rivals in the show both ended up as Soundwave retools.
The other Protoforms like Tigatron and Airrazor shouldn't even have Cybertronian forms because they were born on Earth. I'm making at exception for Rampage because of his back story from what I understood in the show he wasn't really a protoform, that was a cover for their mission to dispose of him. He was just being held in stasis but was already a fully formed Cybertronian which is why his pod had to be so much bigger than the others. The show also made a big deal earlier about how actual Protoforms like Airrazor were essentially entirely new Cybertronians being brought online for the first time so having them exist on Cybertron just contradicts their origins on Earth.
So we really don't have to worry about picking a mold that works for both Cheetor and Tigatron because there shouldn't even be a Tigatron.
I'm also making an exception for Ravage not being included because he already had a beast mode since that is G1 Ravage so there's no need to make a Cybertronian mode for him.
I would also like to see the idea expanded on with giving Cybertronian modes to the Japanese Beast Wars characters who don't already have canon vehicle modes, so that excludes most of the BWII Predacons.
And by the way... I feel like that mold was chosen for Waspinator just so he would share both the Dirge and Dirgun molds from BWII. But by that logic Dinobot should have used the Thrust mold since Thustor was a Dinobot retool.
I don't know enough about Japanese Beast Wars to know who should have Cybertronan modes beyond just looking at the cast list in the pilot though.
Its a bit older but Top Spin from Titans Return for Airazor?