Easy DIY Floating Shelves | The Best Floating Shelf Bracket?
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2025
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In this video I ditch the store bought floating shelves and make a much stronger solution using a cheap strong bracket and an off cut of some scrap wood.
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Hope you enjoyed this one! Let me know below if you did.
For the more experienced DIYers out there about to tell me I'm an idiot for using a masonry drill bit on a wooden wall, I should have explained that these are installed on a solid brick wall. A brick wall that eats drill bits for breakfast. And yes I'm using a hammer drill, and one that's powered by 230 solid volts of power (+10%/-6% in accordance with UK Power distribution regulations - for all the electricians out there!).
Thank you for the information. To help you, you need to use the right drill bit for the job. The bits you showed were for drilling into concrete. The Dewalt drill bit you purchased is one of the types you should use to drill into sheetrock and wood. Plus get yourself a smaller drill! I have Dewalt 12V and 20V lithium battery drills. I use the 12v every day for work and it would work for your project. If you have a harder wood or metal to drill into, then use the 20V drill. Your hammer drill great for concrete, heavy for wood working.
Your drill speed is too high. Slow down alot and press harder on the drill. Every 15 sec or so release the press a bit , then back on. No more melted tips or bent bits from too much heat.
Hello! Thanks for the video. Did you use the same 10mm drill bit for the holes in the wood? What size is that?
Its a different drill bit as I'm drilling in to a different material and my wall is made of bricks. To get the right hole in the wood I practiced with different sizes on a scrap piece
That's the most useful tip on this thread! a decent sharp bit also helps 👍
Finally....the video I was looking for. This is the most DIY friendly video I have come across till now for making floating shelves. All other videos come up with elaborate brackets which need to be made and then you gotta make the rectangular wooden box that slides over the bracket. It's very elaborate and time consuming. Your solution looks very sturdy and elegant. I know for a fact that these fasteners can hold tremendous amount of weight. In my country, we use these fasteners for lots of things like fixing wash basin to the wall.
A very rarely comment on any video I watch, but you were so thoughtful when you included the links you even included the US version of the links. Which is so helpful and amazing and almost unheard of that you did it. I truly appreciate you making my life easier thank you very much, I wish more people could be like you.
Thank you for taking the time to ledge a comment! I'm glad the video helpful!
Omg I can’t tell you how happy I am to have found this video!!!!! Thank you!!!
Me too
This was absolutely amazing...and I've come here after going through at least 10 other DIY floating shelf videos, all quite good, and this one still compelled me to leave a comment, 'cause its that good!
Thank you! I'm glad you found it useful 👍
Yes it was a good watch and really helpful. Thankyou for showing the shelf supports I haven't seen them before.
Hi Neil,
I bought this kit followed your methodology, modified it for some corner shelving, with zero experience making floating shelving and just a newbie to DIY ... your video was definitely more appealing than the other designs.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you found it useful!
I like your video you add a little bit of personality to it and a little bit of humor at the same time it's a good tutorial plus I like your accent.
I already knew you knew exactly what i was thinking from the first 10 seconds.. Subscribed
Thank you, your video was very helpful especially for a single lady that knows nothing but trys to do everything herself, needless to say I rely on a lot of you tube videos. Loved yours, keep on.
EXACTLY what i needed to see before starting on a couple of these in my kitchen, thank you! Video was crisp, perfect moments of sarcasm, not too long, thanks again!
'Perfect moments of sarcasm' would make a great name for a channel 😂
Good news; I've watched all your videos and loved them. Bad news; I've watched ALL your videos! I hope you make more!
That is good news! I'm glad you liked them. I have good news for you too! I'm nearly finished on my next project and am starting another one which hopefully won't be too far behind it. Ive not yet mastered being able make videos very quickly.. I tend to take on projects that take far too long to complete! But subscribe and hit the bell and I'll hopefully have the next video wrapped up soon!
I could watch this guy all day. Great job.
Totally
I found your video very helpful. I like the fact you can rotate the bolts to correct for slight alignment problems if necessary. I'll try to find that type of bolt near me.
My favorite part of the video was when you discovered your drill bit was bent a bit. Sometimes, you think to yourself that only yourself would have that kind of problem. So it's nice to know things like that can happen to anyone. I'm glad you included it. I want to mount a long shelf to hold some models of old electric powered locomotives from around the world. I don't need nor want the board to be much thicker that 3/4 of an inch so I have to find bolts that don't require a 1/2 hole. I also have to lay a floating vinyl floor in our bathroom so I'll be checking the rest of your site for possible tips. Thanks for the education! Rob
Thanks for the feedback Rob. Glad you found it useful. I haven't seen a smaller bracket for thinner shelves but there are lots of options out there for shelves so I'm sure you'll find something that works 👍
I was looking for best glass mounting bracket ideas for my diy project. Seen your post and stopped to watch anyways just cause you're cute. ... I now want to build my own floating shelves. lol :D
I have always stayed away from floating shelves because of the rigidity issues.
I feel like you had one of the best solutions I have seen with the rod bots.
Good work!
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He called it a "Wrench"!!! Woooohoooo!!! Bravo!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍
The video and comments are focused on the hole in the wall but actually the most difficult part is the holes in the wood. You will need a 12mm drill that can go in at least 16cm. This is very deep and you will likely need to buy an extra long drill bit to do it.
If your shelf is long you will need more than 2 brackets for strength. 1 bracket every 40cm I think.
I just used 2 per shelf, if you use more you should take time to think about how you will keep the shelf level.
Drill the holes in the wall with 10mm masonry drill. Insert plugs and screw in brackets
Put the wood on top of the brackets. Check with a level and adjust brackets to get them straight.
Mark the position of the brackets on the wood so you know where the holes should go along the length of the shelf.
Put a dab of paint on the face of the bracket. Line them up between your marks and press the shelf against it. This is so you know roughly wherr to drill into the wood. If the dot is too close to the top or bottom youll need to adjust the brackets.
Keeping the drill straight over through the depth of the shelf is the really difficult part of the proces. Clamp the wood to the bench. Dont start till you do.
You can drill pilot holes but they only help so much. I got steel plate with a 90 degree angle which had holes pre-drilled in it. I dont know what they are for, maybe welding. I looked for one with a 12mm hole by inserting the drill bit into it and picking the one with the best fit.
Place the plate on top of your shelf (which is clamped to your bench). Line up the hole in the metal with your paint dot showing where the hole should be. If it doesnt line up, adjust by jacking it up with bits of cardboard. Clamp the metal onto the shelf or bench so it doesnt move.
Drill through the hole in the metal plate into the wood. The platr will help you keep the drill straight but it isnt perfect because you are drilling so deep. Keep steady. Dont do it all in one go, pull out the wood shavings as you go. Dont get excited and rush. Have your drill battery charged to full each time.
If you think you are angling up or down you can pause in place and firmly hold the drill where you want to correct. Move it in and out a bit and grind a different angle, then slowly continue.
This activity is not nearly as quick as the video makes out but it ends up with nice shelves.
When the comment is more insightful than the video. lol Well done mate. Btw, I hate it when DIY videos skip the most difficult parts and conclude "well trust my word, you can't fail".
You just need to make a template out of a piece of scrap wood. Drill the holes in your template and line and level it on wall and on wood shelf. Takes 5 minutes and everything will line up and be level. Simple! If you are putting this in a cove area (with wall on each side) you can put a groove in front of shelf so front of shelf has support if putting heavy things on it. If the shelf is above eye level you can fill in groove on the bottom of shelf so it can’t be seen. But i will say someone needs to invent something that is adjustable if you get done and it’s not level by a hair but noticeable beside only being able to tap with a hammer. Anyone who has done this their first time and have been off level by a 1/8th of an inch knows how hard it can be to redrill a hole 1/8 above/below original hole. It’s a pain in azz unless you refill hole and start over. That’s where the template helps for this not to happen 99% of time.
Thank you for the detailed illustration. I want to put up a few floating shelves in my home office.
This is exactly what I was looking for, only I'll be attaching the shelves to wooden studs through plasterboard. Thanks! 👍
You just saved me $800. Thank you for this awesome video!
The secret to drilling with concrete drill bits is to use a hammer drill! It's sooo much easier!
Good video btw!
Not only easier but also the correct way. Without sounding like a know it all! Great video
if you really need to make one or two holes and don't want to spend the money, a masonry bit can be used manually by tapping it with a hammer and twisting. Takes a long time but it'll do it, though its up to you to keep things straight
Thank you for sharing all that, I'm in the process of adding a counter over my pull out washing machine and I want shelves above it. This will work great! Love your accent too!
Neil, in case no one has mentioned it, thank you so much, for including and separating international
ordering links, for the materials. 😁😍
No one else has mentioned it but you're most welcome 😉
Good drill bits makes the world of difference, great tips
"It cannot be that easy, can it?" - and then he goes and shows an intricate process for which any regular person would need to buy 10 different things, resins, paints, etc not to mention the tools :)
Its a good video, and you explain it really well. The process itself also is not "hard" so "easy" is accurate description of this, but the thing that I found most informative at this point is that there is a strud to buy off amazon...
Then I will get a shelf ready bought from somewhere like B&Q :)
You have my like, sir!
The tools he has are literally basic DIY tools anyway? So if you're looking to do any sort of DIY you should have them as a bare minimum
Exactly what I was looking for and I had fun watching! Subscribed
Really appreciate you taking the time to link US equivalents. I am trying to find a solution to mounting a floating shelf, and think I just found it. Thank you!
You're welcome!
I've experienced the same thing with my cheap kit masonary drill bits that are IMPOSSIBLE to get through brick. I went slow, fast, corded, uncorded, hammer setting, standard setting, with cooling, and without.. no difference.
Very helpful to see you go through the same thing and find out that it's the darn drill bit itselt. Will check out the ones you recommend 👍 Thanks for the video!
This is really good, a great video, when you mounted the shelf on the wall, I thought, I wish he had shown, the actual drilled holes on the back of the shelf, before he slides the shelf on to the wall fixings, as I carnt recall seeing that part of the tutorial, but I did learn alot from this, and I didnt, know the tips you gave about the wood knots seepage, which is really good of you to mention that, I liked these fixing you used, this is very interesting, I subscribed and gave it thumbs up, thank you, Laura in uk
Thanks Laura. Glad you found it useful!
You make a good, a great point there.
Hey Neil, do I need to use a knotting solution if not painting? Also, if not painting, should I varnish/stain instead?
Hi, no the knotting solution only stops the oil from knots from staining light paint. If you're vanishing you'll see the knots anyway do you won't need to cover them. You don't have to varnish or stain, personal preference really. A finish will help protect the wood from getting dirty or marked. It can also help stop cracking in warmer months when it dries out. It depends on what look you're going for
Only just saw this 😅 thanks Neil!
Dont worry, your reply time is about on par with my average 😂
Love the dad grunts lol
Great video Neil! Very helpful
I love this chilled out delivery. Informative and easy to watch. I’ll definitely be giving this a try.
I think you should make more videos just about you daily life because you are really fun to watch
This is so good. No waffle, gold-dust!
I've found the very best way to fix a floating shelf that will be rock solid is to use 12mm threaded rod and fix in the wall with resin, making the hole in the wall 16mm. Just support it for 15 mins. The down side is that it's permanent but most shelves are. I've done many like that and they hold any weight.
very informative. never heard of those mounting screws
THANK YOU for making that super simple to follow😊
Yes I liked it alot. Im going to use the metal lag bolts, I never thought they'd be so strong. On your way to Hollywood!
Great video. Can anyone recommend good fixings to use on a brick wall that has dot and dab plasterboard for this sort of project? I tried the Corefix heavy duty dot and dab wall fixings for my floating shelves. The shelves are very solid but they still wobble a little up and down, which is a bit annoying. Would these fixings in the video be any good in dot and dab walls?
thanks for the video. i was wondering if the washers make the shelf sit out away from the wall and if you think i should chisel out bit so that they will be inset. thanks!
I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone installed these and found the washers prevent the shelf from sitting flush with the wall? I was thinking I might put a washer thickness recess into the back of the shelf first with a forstner bit before drilling the hole for the pin.
Just double checked.. they do stop it sitting flush. On the other hand, the gap isn't noticeable and might be useful if you ever need to get something behind the shelf to pull it off at a later date
@@NeilLovegrovemaker Thanks Neil. I appreciate your checking. I saw a drawing on one of the Amazon links you posted that actually shows the washer recessed into the back of the shelf, so the supplier must have contemplated the same thing. I think I'll recess the washer on mine so I can snug the shelf up to the wall. It'll be easy enough to do on my drill press.
This is exactly what I needed to know and you made it easy to follow. Thank you for the great video!
thanks much, i am planning to build my floating shelf, and was thinking of what to use to hold it. now i need to find it locally.. btw i always use dewalt bits, been using them for years. no complaints..
This was super-useful, thanks Neil. Subbed
Great vid, with some simply put, useful tips. I am to DIY, what an ashtray is to a motorbike, so this was very useful. Cheers mate!👍
Great video. Wish we had solid walls here like you do. All we have is these cheap dry wall/sheet rock walls.
It's a really standard and normal way to build houses not cheap at all. You'll just have to find studs in the wall. So when you drill your holes in the wood and wall they should be 16 inches apart to catch to studs
Exactly what I was looking for!! Thank you!!
what is the size of the pre hole drill on the wood . It is a very informative video
How does the fixing bracket tighten on the wood when you placed the shelf?????
It's held in place by a friction fit.
@@NeilLovegrovemaker ill be trying this soon. I’ll let you know how it goes
Nice video. Consider these points
1. You bought pre-made shelves "off the shelf".... Hmm.
2. In most cases, it is more important that a shelf LOOK level rather than actually BE level. If the ceiling, floor, or other major nearby horizontal lines are not truly level, a level shelf will look out-of-level because it isn't parallel to them. In this case it is better to stand off at a distance and have a helper position the shelf so it looks level and mark the position.
3. When using a masonry bit it helps greatly to have a squirt bottle at hand to squirt water into the hole. This cools the bit, softens the masonry, and keeps down dust.
Should a 2.5 cm thick shelf be able to withstand those screws?
If it's solid wood it could work. You won't have much room for error in your drilling though!
@@NeilLovegrovemaker I really want to make IKEA's "BERGSHULT" shelf float, but can't seem to find suitable ways.
What size drill bit do you need to make the hole in the wood?
The bit used should be linked in the description
At the end of your project, it looks like the shelf doesn't move at all. However, our application is inside a camper van, so there is quite a bit of vibration while driving and we go nuts if stuff in the camper vibrates and makes noises......do you think this bracket system will rattle a bit when in motion? Or are the shelves truly tight to fit? Also, thanks for the excellent presentation.
I don't think I'd trust them in a campervan.. they could vibrate off if not on tight
Thanks Neil, do you reckon these would be sturdy enough for books?
Yeah it'd say so
Excelente video estaba buscando un video sobre estos soportes, saludos desde 🇲🇽
How do you freehand drill straight?
(it wasn't straight, don't tell anyone!)
Bloody brilliant. Love it mate. Keep it up 👍
Thanks Scott 👍👍
Thanks for the links!
What did you insert into the hole after the rawlplug, and how does the spanner work if there isn't any thread on the bolt?
Hello , so the diameter of the wood drill bit should be the same as the bracket's ?
Yes!
Do you have any advice for removing the brackets? We have the same for our floating shelves, but right now are moving house, and are really struggling to take them out the wall 😢
I've not had to take mine off yet. I'd probably start with trying to pry out from behind the shelf, or fitting a clamp to the shelf that can be gripped better
Thanks, you've made this look like I might be able to do it.
nice product. how they lasting for you ? still strong ?
Still going strong!
Hi Neil - I have a question which I am hoping you can help me with. Bear with me here . . . . I was already researching floating shelf fixings when I came across your video which was very helpful. I am planning to wall-mount a mantle (shelf) above a redundant fireplace, but my shelf will be only 4 inches deep (102 mm) - when measured from the wall to the front edge of the shelf. I can find online only one size of the floating shelf fixings that you used, which actually require sliding into the (drilled) shelf by 122 mm. (I do like the ones you used because of their level-adjustment feature which you demonstrated.) But I need shorter ones that would slide into a drilled shelf by (approx) only 76 mm. My question is this: Could I cut down (shorten) the ones that you have used without impairing their function? If so, how tough is the metal - could I cut them with a hacksaw or would I need to use an angle-grinder? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks
Hi Gary, I would go for chopping the end off one to see if it works! I can't see how it would reduce functionality if you're putting in a smaller shelf. I think you would get through it with a hacksaw, give it a go at least. If not an angle grinder should do it
What size drill bit you use for the hole in the wall and the wood ?
did you put your holes into studs? or just your drywall?
Neither. This is a brick wall
Good video! is there any guidance on the weight you can place on the shelf using these bolts, i assume more bolts would equal more weight?
More bolts would hold more weight, if you feel its not stable enough it is pretty easy to pull the shelf off and add more brackets. Other than that I haven't experimented to find out the weight limit per bracket
@@NeilLovegrovemaker thanks for the response
Hi Neil, From one DIYer to another I really enjoyed the way you did this video, great info. You have gained a subscriber from me.
Hi Joshua, thanks for the review and subscribing! Hope you enjoy the channel. More video coming soon... promise!
@@NeilLovegrovemaker Awesome, I look forward to it. Keep them coming.
That knot filler though. Ill have to check that out for sure. Hope it works outdoors
That looks awesome man!
Great video
Its was all good, but i was looking for exactly how you did it in wood, what length of bit did you use, rest was perfect, super 😊😊😊
Can't remember! The bit used is linked in the description if it helps
Hi , Fantastic video show. Do yo think that could be use in Hollow concrete block wall? The wood that I have got is Carob so is quite heavy. Thank you for your time
Thats a tricky one. I wouldn't like to say one way or the other.
If they are weak you can always add more for extra stability but then again if the wall blocks are hollow there wont be much for the bracket to hold on to so it may not work.
Did you drill into a stud? Or is that not necessary?
For my wall it was a brick wall so didn't have any studs. There are some third party plug options out there if you can't align with a stud
Mate you need to use hammer drill, which not only rotates the bit but also reciprocates it (like a jackhammer). The rotation is used to clear material via the spiral flutes of the bit, but the hammer action works to smash the material, just like a small jackhammer. If you don't use a hammer drill then you will be generating immense friction but not performing much drilling.
I stupidly cut out the part where I spoke about drills and composition of walls in order to keep the video short... but made it look like I was doing it wrong. It was a hammer drill, a mains powered one (because my battery one couldn't handle it) it was just a real stubborn chimney breast wall with solid stone chunks in it and the cheap bits I ised first.of all were half blunt which also didnt help!
Great advice to buy more and more tools.
Making own shelves etc is dying out due to the insane set up costs and growing demand getting more and more tools.Modern men deliver worse priducts but use at least 20times more tools than men 60years ago
So you are using a concrete bit to drill into wood?
It's not wood. It's a brick wall 😉
how would you go about installing them on plasterboard? Perhaps cut a rectangle the size of the back of the shelf, so that it can get flush to the wall?
Not too sure really. I wouldn't use the wall plugs that came with it. I'd look to use a fixing specifically for plasterboard.. or get and did the wooden studs
Would these wall plugs provided be good for drywall? They seem like they are the equivalent to dry wall mounts but I wanted to ask first
I've not used them in dry wall. I guess you could always use a drywall plug instead of those that come with it
Great video. If I would like to remove my floater shelf and I would like to install ones using the same bracket however I want them same length however going out instead of 6.7 inches I would like one that is 10 inches how do you remove them without breaking the wall and just get a new one that would be custom made exactly 6.7 inches by 10 inches. I now have 16 inches length. I would get same length however coming out 10 inches instead of 6.7 so I can fit bowls etc
Did you have to cut a channel in the back to get them flush? The description for this anchors /brackets on Amazon says you need to?
No! I'm not sure what that means. The whole process I did is shown in this video
Are you using an SDS drill or a combi drill?
It's not SDS but it's a mains powered hammer drill with a conventional chuck
@@NeilLovegrovemaker You'll never go back once you try an SDS drill :) Amazing. Especially for concreate or very tough bricks.
The size of the shaft is .47" which is basically 15/32. The drill size in the link is 3/8? Good video.
Daft question but how did you measure where the holes for the raw plugs would go for the brackets and make it line up with the holes you had drilled into the wood? Im assuming you measured in from the edge of wood to the first hole, then just transferred that measurement to the wall?
It was a while ago now but think It was as you said with a tape measure. Another method is to put a strip on masking tape along the wood, Mark the holes, then sick it on your wall
Can you use it on plaster board ?
I wouldnt trust the wall anchor that comes with it on plasterboard. I think you could use the bracket with a plasterboard wall anchor
What size drill bit did you use?
Amazing Neil thanks ❤
I usually only watch women DIY'ers (not sure why...I guess dudes often assume their viewers own every tool ever made), but yours was great! New subscriber here!
Oh thank you! I'm glad you found it useful. Thanks also for the sub!
Can these hold house plants?
Depends on how much they weigh, obviously very big ones would weigh a lot more so you need more brackets
A masonry bit for wood?
Its a brick wall 👍
How deep are does . Im planina to build 38cm and 150cm wide ...wonder will it hold that same holders . Also planing to glue two bords to make it 10cm
Exactly what I was looking for!!! YES!
My ex boyfriend was boasting about making shelve this way in other people's kitchens and I want to put one or two up in my living room now that he is out of town. But I was having trouble locating the hardware he had described. Unfortunately for me, your link show prices in pounds and I am in the US.
There are US links in the description too! Scroll down further 👍
lol! I remember the day I first learned what a "spanner' was. 🤣
Any idea what to use to put up a very heavy and long shelf. Worried it may fall off as it’s very heavy as I said. Would like to use the gloating shelf method
It will depend on a lot of factors, like how heavy the shelf is, how deep it is, and what your wall is made up of. There are other methods out there thst might be worth researching
@@NeilLovegrovemaker thank you
Nice shelves, what's with the box
Hey Neil! Thanks for the tutorial. About how thick is that board? Thanks!
It's around 35 or 40mm
Where do you get the pins for your shelf
Links in the video description!
@@NeilLovegrovemaker can they also be used in wall studs
I've not used them in stud walls but I believe they can, you might be limited on how much weight they can support in a stud wall.
Funny seeing literally the same Shelf Supports ( including the Washer 🤣 ) that were delivered and used with my custom shelves being used in a UA-cam Video.
Hi
What size was the drill that you used on the shelf ?
The bit used should be linked in the description
I’ve seen at least one comment mentioning a “hammer drill”. Those cement bits are designed to be used with a hammer drill. Not using a hammer drill, it’s hit and miss whether or not you will get all your holes drilled and sometimes lucky to get one drilled before the bit fails. Which explains your luck with past bits failing. As you know....with a regular drill they (the tips) heat up...chip...and/fall out. With a hammer drill, they will surprise you how long they can last. I’m surprised the person at the hardware store didn’t educate you on this....just my two cents worth. Great find though with those hidden brackets !
Hey Kelvin. Thanks for comment. This is a hammer drill that I'm using here. Unfortunately my walls of made of stupid tough bricks thst eats drill bits for breakfast!
Brilliant video buddy , great job you should do more videos 👍🏻
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed. In an ideal world I'd be making videos every week but it takes a lot of time. It's deffo a goal and comments like yours makes me want to get there sooner 👍
@@NeilLovegrovemaker I'm literally putting one up now but it won't slot all the way in , it makes a sound as if the bolt bit of the screws is hitting something in side the shelf hole?🤔
Have you tried pushing s lose bracket in the hole to make sure the hole is deep enough?
@@NeilLovegrovemaker managed to get it on all the way 🙂👍🏻 I tightened the screws more so that they sunk into the wall further and then finally after lots of adjusting the shelf touched the wall! Thanks again though awesome video , editing and explanation with resin etc and the knots taught me loads! 😀