PSO2 NGS | The REAL Reason Why Accessory and Makeup Slots Are Restricted - No Mumbo-Jumbo
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- This is the (ugly?) truth behind why the NGS Team struggles to expand the accessory and makeup slots in PSO2 NGS.
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The 1000 Year Old Question: 0:00
The Reasons: 1:01
Optimizations: 2:00
Crossplay Downsides: 3:13
PSE's Are Effected By This: 5:14
Understanding The Issue & Stop Saying Dumb Stuff: 7:00
The Grand Scope: 8:47
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From my understanding its that its on an old PSO2 Engine which is why they arent able to update the Accessories slots to A higher number.
I was curious about this as well and several people on A reddit post pointed this out. Which is why we have compatibility with base PSO2 items, so if they were to update the engine we would lose access to PSO2 which the current engine is based on so for compatibility sakes is why they arent also able to update accessories slots because we would essentially lose access to those items if they ever did.
In my opinion they should just lower the cost of items and accessories going forward if they arent able to up the limit of accessories, like shoes for example instead of 4 should be 2 and so on if they know they cant up the limit due to limitations .
Unless there’s some kind of limitation of equipping too many items without it affecting stability which might be the case. However if it that isnt the case then anything beyond this point should have A lower accessories cost. Nothing can be done about existing accessories so im cool with that.
Lowering the cost across the board is essentially the same as adding more accessory slots. Each accessory will interact in different ways, which is why they all have different point systems. The point system essentially takes into account as to the impact of the item on the environment. So for instance, if everyone is running around with items that are in the 3 or 4 cost tier, it could cause issues. Remember a lot of these items are customizable and you can change the sizes & effects on them etc, etc. The system has to pick all these up individually & in real time combat.
In regards to the engine, the engine used is already an upgraded version of Base PSO2's. The engine isn't really issue as is moreso the fact that they're intent on keeping the game compatible with older hardware.
I totally agree Spikexu. Having more accessory and make up slots will cause performance issue, especially for console players.
However, I do think there should be things dev can do to reduce the issue.
For example, they might wanna try setting up priorities for accessories to get rendered. For example, there are some small accessories that should not be rendered when the target player is far enough, or off screen. They should reduce processing on parts that players cannot see, to improve performance, E.g., Feet should not be rendered when players use shoe accessories.
Also, they might wanna consider setting up priorities on accessory rendering. For example, players can have up to 24 accessory points, but others can set how many points of accessories they want to see from other players. E.g., 8 points for strangers, 16 points for party members and 24 points for friends, 32 points for group photo, etc.
It might be a good idea for them to explore different options to both make players happy while still keep performance.
Oh for sure, there's definitely ways that they can try to offload certain properties or have them function differently. I'm 100% sure the team has & is trying these types of things to find ways around the obstacle. But ultimately, they're operating with their hands tied behind their back because of the many platforms & varying hardware NGS is available on. I'm sure they'll figure something out with time, but that "time" might ultimately be when service for the PS4 is discontinued. Which I doubt would happen.
The integrity of the playing experience across the board has to be maintained for everyone. It's important to remember that. It's also important to remember that by giving one group an option to have a bunch of accessories, but forcing the other group to essentially "have to turn them off or their game will crash", will simply not go over well within the community. Not only because they have to turn them off, but because now you create an issue that if they don't turn them off, it can cause damage or over-processing & thus overheating of the hardware, which then can result in a hardware component that no longer works. You're essentially forcing the user to have a gimped playing experience by forcing their accessory cap at certain level, or you give the user the power to essentially brick their console and then blame Sega.
It's definitely not as black and white as people would like it to be.
yeah its a shame, thank you for explaining... btw what are those blue shield effect surrounding you?
You're welcome! And that effect would be the Weapon Potential, Dmg Resistance Bonus+ from the melee variant Xover Series weapons!
That's the benefit for content creators
@@saib500 😂would be pretty cool if we got some special aura around us lmao. Unfortunately, we don't. Only way to really spot us is the NGS Official Creator's Badge. However, there's people who were previously a part of the program & removed who still run around with their badge on to intentionally mislead people. Best way to know who's actually official & who's just stuck in the past & can't let go, is by checking to see if their name is present on the official NGS Official Creator web page!
Honestly i figured tha the reason why they didn't add more make up or accessories slots because it wuld lag and lower the amount of characters that would be able to load ij without crashing, especially your abomination characters 😂
Indeed, this is a direct biproduct.
For me it was never about adding more slots but making the cost of things make sense. If skin color spheres cost 1 point lip rings shouldn't cost 3 points.
@@Typofairy Absolutely. I definitely hear this. I'd imagine there is an actual reasoning behind why the costs are the way that they are on specific items in direct correlation to how the specific item is able to impact the game and the rendering environment around it. Of course, I can not confirm this though. I 100% hear you though & agree that it'd be nice if some things costed less & would also really be excited to have more slots. So I'm definitely in the same boat with you all in that regard.
its really PS4 and Nintendo Switch, if Sega stopped supporting both of those from the both the global and Japanese servers
they likely could get more accessory points or for point reductions on most accessories to work
The Switch version is entirely played on the cloud. Which means it's using hardware in remote servers. The game's resolution and performance is not based on the device you're using in that regard. The way a cloud game works, you could play it on your phone or a top tier gaming pc & have the same gaming experience.
The Switch version was only ever made available in Japan, and has always been Cloud-Only. Because it's cloud-only, it's not included in this equation. This, considering the issue stems from physical hardware bottlenecks presented by consoles. In which a Cloud-Only service would not have an impact on.
What do you think of people mentioning about dislike cut-in s? They spoke out loud dislike people who has cut in .
Those can be turned off.
Hello! Where was this mentioned again?
@@adamdevereaux2713 some prefered telling others not to use cut in s .
@@Spikesxu l forgot just sometimes happened in public chats or public fields
@@lokhanmartin4540 Ah I see. Yea, those can be turned off through the settings menu. I believe under the "Chat" tab. If they start to be come too disruptive to you.
What I relearned from this is Xbox slackin on the controllers compared to PlayerStation
Hey. As long as you learned something. 👍🏿
I think with how much time has passed since the older generation consoles have been out, and how much time has passed since the newer generation has been out, I think it's about time for them to drop the older generations of the Xbox and PlayStation, and only make it available for the X/S and PS5, weather edition making the minimum requirements for PC to be better than the consoles, best way they can move the games minimum standard way higher as they wouldn't be tethered to the older generations, as I have been told by a few people, that I know the benchmark for PC was moved at least once, so I don't see why they can't do it again, this way the game will have better performance, and when it comes to the accessory slots I remember when it was just base game that we had three slots then they moved it up to four and then when we they moved it again, so if there was a way to get it although people may not like it they could make it a premium only feature as premium players do have special benefits with unique access to certain features
Hello!
I definitely hear you, however it's easier said than done, in regards to discontinuing service of the PS4. As, there's surely still many people who play on the PS4 version who don't have access to a PS5 or PC. So you essentially cut off & leave those individuals to hang & dry. Which naturally, they don't want to do.
While they could give extra slots to premium, it would still cause the same issue. Premium having access too it doesn't change that lower performance machines/consoles would get effected by it. Otherwise I do think it being a premium perk would be a valid option.
@Spikesxu oh yes I can definitely understand that and get behind that, as I know there are still a whole bunch of players Xbox and PlayStation respectively, I just think though at sometime they'll need to make the jump, when the maturity of the players are on or have the newer consoles comma or at least when the Next Generation comes out, what do you think when it comes to that?
And when it comes to the face and body they could give you an extra slot technically because we already have faces with markings on them and bodies with different textures so they could do that it's not the best option but at least it's something we can do legitimately in the game right now
It's interesting you bring up gyro, I remember going down that rabbit hole when I wondered why it wasn't more widely adopted. Stupid Microsoft holding it back.
A while ago I discovered I could plug in my Switch Pro Controller into PC and Steam lets me use it with Steams controller rebinding feature to utilize Gyro, it's great. And that's when I also discovered the DUMB DUMBS at SEGA BLOCKS SOME OF STEAMS OWN CONTROLLER FEATURES. WHY BOTHER PUTTING IT ON STEAM IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE USING ITS FEATURES? Okay to be fair it's their choice like how allowing steam remote play etc is optional for devs but I'm not rational when I'm mad and GOD FORBID anyone finds ways to make controller more comfortable cause SEGA is too lazy to add more options them selves.
😂😂 you definitely sound VERY passionate about the issue and you take your gyro controller serious. So I can respect this lol.
@@Spikesxu Yeah I remember trying to set up gyro to mouse control for OTS view and radial menus for techs, neither of which is allowed.
I had to settle for gyro to right stick which is janky to set up cause its emulating a stick instead of a mouse.
Surprisingly I did manage to find a comfortable setting for it. In general I wish Microsoft would get their act together so that native gyro support can be in more games.
@@discardedbiscuit5449 Oh! Nice that you found something that was at least able to work for you! And yea, I mean there's going to be differences & pros and cons in everything. It's not as if Sony could've messaged Xbx while their console was in development & been like "hey, we're putting gyro in here". Because then it'd defeat the purpose of a competitive market & the Xbx could just come out on top over the PS5, ya know? But I 100% understand what you're saying, no doubt.
even on a powerful PC your game is going to crash with too many objects being loaded in memory. I get a lot of shadow people when I first load into a full block and there is a 100 people posing out front of the shop on ps5. i am actually amazed how good the performance of this game is. my internet isn't particularly good. i only get around 50mb/s
Correct. So if even on a powerful PC things like that are possible, the community should be able to understand how this plays into the restrictions/limitations placed on things like accessories & makeup to keep the integrity of the playing experience as uniform as possible across the board.
@@Spikesxu you'll always get complainers and will never make everyone happy. this game is still leagues above everything else on the market in the way of player cosmetics outside of pc mods or the rare exception from bethesda on consoles. it's what originally peaked my interest in the game.
@@somfplease An interest well piqued! Glad to see that you've been able to make the most out of your playing experience in NGS!