Why do car manufacturers make my job harder?
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That’s why I went to an aftermarket shop. The more certified you get at a dealer, the less you make.
Well said
Truth. Thays why I went to used cars. It was actually worse. Now I work on conveyors, fuck warranty jobs
Well can I ask wich car manufacturer you worked for?
@@carnalse3352 it should be noted dealership technicians are not automotive manufacturer employees. They're dealership or shop employees who have access to manufacturers repair procedures. Or not depending on where you go.
@@austyndrums1993 well what dealership did you work at then
The better question to ask is why in the hell is a new vehicle like that needing an evaporator replaced
Designed to fail. That's why
not sure what your expect, it's a 7 year old Ford
@@TheSoup222222 An evap shouldn't last more than 7 years when it's an entire dash removal process for replacement?
There should be laws about max charges for jobs that take more than a certain amount of time.
@@DeepakKumar-lv4te didn't say it's not shitty but again, it's got a Ford badge right there, don't expect a well built car
@@TheSoup222222not like Chevy is any better to be completely honest. Acting like any brand other than Honda and Toyota are building anything of quality these days is being willfully blind (and Honda and Toyota also have their own issues).
The only thing Chevy /had/ right was their V8 engine platform, but with AFM they ruined it. Even then, before AFM I saw nothing but random electrical issues on fairly new (at the time) vehicles. Heck even bulb sockets were melting. Putting main grounds in obviously stupid places exposed to elements that cause weird issues.
Let's not just blame Ford here. Auto MFGs are all moving to "Lifetime fill" transmissions and running service intervals out to make their vehicles look appealing on paper and then they fail because regular maintenance is essential to a vehicles lifespan. Ford isn't the only one doing this crap.
Only pays 5 hours. Yet if it wasn’t under warranty the customer is expected to pay the full 9 hours.
Correct the manufacturer cuts the time for warranty pay.
It's just the mechanics livelihood, Ford doesn't care about that
It's not that they screw you on customer pay time, it's that they screw the tech on warranty time.
I'm telling you right now if there wasn't customer pay time, only warranty time, no one would be a mechanic lol
If the customer thinks it’s too much time they can do it themselves. Mechanics get paid for their skills and time. Plus all the tools and equipment needed to diagnose and fix the vehicles.
Use a torch to heat up the bolt to break the lock-tite loose. The interior fire is just a bonus.
Seen that and it's not fun trying to help put it out.
I was surprised for a sec, hahah
@@lynnrunningdeer7364oof, "help", it wudnt yours was it?
@@BoopHenderson nooo🤣. Hence the word help😅.
Hey they now make a tool for stuff like this. Not sure how well it works though since I don't own one.
So you don't have the time to take the bolts out with a hand wrench but you have the time to take out the broken stud. BRILLIANT😣
Came to the comments to say this.
yup, bozo logic. then he's proud to say they don't put loctite on the new ones... bet in his next video he'll be whining about "boo hoo I can't find what's squeaking"
Never enough time to do it right. Always enough time to do it over. The hard way. With broken parts. Great shop.
It's likely because once you remove the trim piece it reveals the threads where the broken bolt is.
Normies always are quick to criticize other people. Smh
@@andydhillon1977you still have to take the broken bolt out, likely with an extractor.... Still more time than a hand wrench
Imagine the squeaking and rattling in that dash once it is reassembled
You could use some kind of lock washers.
@@TheLukasDirectorspray foam.
The squeaking and rattling is going to be from the garbage clips that deform or are too soft.
My wife's brand new loaded Explorer sport had a squeaky dash the day with bought it with 0 miles. We didn't make it 3 miles down the road, and one of the plastic roof racks flew off. I should have returned it right then. Long story short, we kept it 1 year, and it was the longest year of our lives. The thing was a lemon from the jump. We are loving our new Toyotas, though 😂
If you back them out gradually, break loose and lightky tighten and cycle through and back it out eventually, they might be less prone to breaking.
If you got to fight the stud out afterwards it would be faster to use a ratchet and not break it off
Exactly--doing it once or twice I can see, but he says he's done it 10 or 15 times. Learn from that, my guy
It's only happened to him 15 times.
This kid apparently is allergic to learning.
Heat gun or hairdryer to soften the loctite.
Or maybe even just a drill or power ratchet so you can get speed without the hammering which is what's probably causing the breakage.
Yeah you go do that on the plastic trim.....@rossbrumby1957
Mechanic: "sweet, a bolt i can actually get to"
Engineer: "locktite the snot out of it"
No engineer in the world would get the okay to require that much loctite. Ford and their suppliers are too damn cheap. That is some spiteful person on an assembly line somewhere that got a performance review once that said "didn't apply loctite to bolts". Dude was like oh you want to see that shit ooze out? Got it boss... y'all pay for the materials not me. And then proceeds to use as much as humanly possible on every single one of them after. And being likely union knew his ass wouldn't get canned LMFAO.
Used to be a tech at BMW. I stopped because they screw the techs out of money in many different ways. You either get dishonest to make more or you make less. Why did I stop? It wasn't just that dealership. It's ALL of them, EVERY car brand.
Wonder why you pay so much or why every time you bring in your vehicle & it needs more done to it than the original problem/service?
Simple. Everyone is paid a percentage. The more a customer's invoice is, the more every employee & the dealer makes. The service writer is paid about 3% of the invoice...and so on... Thus, the more you pay, the more they make.
Techs are paid an "hourly" wage. Oil change = .25hr (15min). Air filter .10hr (6min)... So, if it takes longer to do the service than what you get paid for, you are working for free. It goes the other way as well. Transmission 12hrs. I was the only tech, in that particular dealership that could do it in 4hrs. Which means, I would het an extra 8hrs of pay. 3 transmissions a day (12hrs) for 5 days a week. I would have been making over $100k/yr. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.
If you are paid $25hr, you work 50hrs/wk. You do NOT get $25x50. You will be paid based on the invoice hour you accumulate in the week. That's why techs/dealerships are dishonest. They want as much work done as possible to earn higher amounts per vehicle.
And, you're lucky if they actually do the work that on the invoices. In my 3yr short experience. I saw many vehicles pass through with higher invoice amounts without the work done, and lots of extra work that was NOT needed. They tried to bully me into doing the same as the other techs.
I showed up at 7am, 1st in the shop every morning. Had a car already in the stall. Worked for 1hr off the clock. Logged into work at 8am. Added my work completed. Boom. My productivity is up already. Brought lunch. Clocked out. Worked an hour off the clock. Logged in. Added work completed. Boom. My productivity went up. At 5pm (10hrs), found a vehicle. Parked in my stall. Locked the keys & invoice in my tool box. Went home.
50hrs a week I worked. With honesty, 30hrs average pay. In 2008, at $18hr, I was making $10hr over the $8 minimum wage. So, I was okay with paid amount. The dealer wasn't. They complained that I worked on an average of 10 cars per day, much more than anyone else of the 35 techs, and made the least amount on average.
Why?
Because of the dishonesty that you are aware of.
What do mean. If you know something...
No. I'm not going to point at someone and say something about them. ALL of them do it. You know about it. What happened to Brian?
We cannot talk about that.
EVERYONE knows about it. He brought cars in. Put them on the lift & opened the hood. Then have an hour conversation with someone. Dropped the car. Logged work he didn't do in the computer. Sent the car to the wash. He only got caught when one customer brought their car back with a seized motor...
Dealer fires Brian. Customer gets brand new car for free. But, that's the extreme side of the dishonesty in dealerships. Customers are being ripped off regularly.
Now, the video...
The locktite is to prevent the bolts from getting lose & causing functional problems, as well as noise problems. However, a dab is needed, not covering the entire bolt.
I worked on BMWs. The dealer wouldn't give us new bolts for the work we did. BMW uses materials that stretch when tje bolt is torqued down. Therefore, it is one time use bolts. If you remove it & reuse it. The bolts will get loose despite being torqued to specs.
If the bolts get loose, something happens, the customer complains, management would write you up for negligence, etc... So, I would put locktite on the bolts. The option I had.
The sad part is that I went into this profession because I loved working on cars. I was tired of shops tryin to rip me off. I wanted to be an honest technician. Not really a chance in the industry because it's not a desirable trait that the dealership is looking for. Profits are the name of the game. Dishonesty is expected.
So the time involved in resolving the broken bolts with an impact wrench is better than using a hand rachet... Amazing "logic"
@@rockymarquiss8327
Don't know why your saying anything about broken bolts to me pertaining to power tool v hand tool. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Power tools are always faster than hand tools. I know you are not trying to attack my ability to use logic with an inability to communicate properly what the intent of your statement means.
Broken bolts will always waste time with the need to use a bolt extractor kit.
I clearly stated that the mfg does not do things appropriately & neither does the dealership. Using a dab of locktite works for the intended purpose. Covering the entire bolt is pointless, which causes damage to bolts upon trying to remove them. Which causes time to be wasted. BMW specifically HAD (doubtful, but don't know if they ever fixed it) a problem with bolts on the transmission oil pan being to tight. We would snap them every time they needed to be removed. Because of a lousy material used, 8nm of torque was too much pressure & the head would snap off, or the bolt would twist & warp. Snap On (snap off) star bit would also twist & need to be replaced by Snap On Rep on next visit. And, that was using a hand wrench, not a power tool.
Again, I clearly stated that dealerships do NOT pay by the hour, but pay the hours accumulated on an invoice. If you get paid 30min for a job & it takes 90min to do it. You worked for free for 1 hour. Thus, techs are screwed by the mfg & dealerships & become dishonest to make more money.
If you try to attack someone based on "logic", then your thought process to achieve a conclusion better be logical as well as your ability to communicate effectively.
To whom you speak to,
What are speaking about,
Why you decided to say anything (besides having your own opinion about it),
How you achieved that conclusion,
If any, solutions to the problem,
...
Sorry. I meant to post to the video, not you. I apologize
I don't believe any of this. Your story isn't adding up.
@@rockymarquiss8327
No. Problem. Errors occur from time to time. Have a good day.
The problem is an impact twists the bracket instead of breaking the bolt loose. Same thing happens on fender liner bolts. Crack them by hand and then use an air/electric ratchet.
Someone with a brain!
Plus wouldn't getting the broken bolts out slow it down as much or more than doing it right the first time?
@@erich5265bingo
This guy is an idiot lol I don't waist time with a ratchet I just bust them off and extract them from the other side which probably takes 10x longer 😅
or a drill. Kids these days have no finesse , this one wants to beat shit with a hammer then cry when it breaks.
So wait, you use an impact on these tiny little bolts instead of just using a ratchet just to “save some time” but in doing so break the bolts, causing you to spend more time trying to fish the broken end out?
Literal skill issue
Because locktite shouldn't be used on the interior. Plus do you know how many bolts there are. You will be handless trying to turn all of them.
"tiny little bolts".... Uhh okay? They're pretty standard size. I could understand if it was like a 5mm bolt, but those are 10mm and really shouldn't have a problem using an impact. Unless they're COVERED in Loctite like those ones were. And it's just unnecessary to Loctite interior bolts that are just holding plastic trim
Spoken like someone who doesn’t work on cars for a living 🤦♂️
just fyi, many people don't know this but an impact is the safest way to remove a stuck bolt. only time an impact is bad is upon tightening.
The time it takes to extract the broken bolts could have been saved by loosening the fasteners with a standard ratchet
This was my thought. Repairing broken things seems to take much longer than just doing it carefully, if slowly, the first time.
But now you get to charge ford for the repair of the broken bolts m-time baby
I think the warranty work has a set time
@Russhirsch8667 you have a set time for the repair till it goes off the set time with the broken bolts any warranty administrator that knows what they're doing can get you paid as long as you clock on and off for the work that was outside the scope of the wsm procedure
Then WHY did FORD put Locktite on those bolts? It's not for Vibration issues! Never saw in my 30 years of experience where you put Locktite on Console bolts!
Uses an impact, breaks the bolts ,complains about time , proceeds to repair the broken bolt.
and takes time to video diary the whole thing
@@tigerstallionhe looks to be in an empty shop, probably doing this on his own time.
Like the government.
We can't afford to do it rite but we can afford to fix over and over again
There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it again..
He also seems to know that using an impact breaks them, continues to do it, and complains that it broke.
Respect to anyone able to do that job.
I can just see the Product manager at Ford sitting in a meeting discussing customer complaints and saying “I am really tired of the complaints of rattling consoles, let’s just soak those screws in loctite that should shut them up”.
2018 and needs an evap talk about a quality product
just a tiny bit of 🇨🇦 putain de sarcasme: when I try learning English, I find out qualité ≠ longivity. Marde! That make me very much angry, ta-barn-ouche!!!😅
The engineers are probably scratching their heads trying to figure out how it lasted that long...😂
omg my 2008 n 2013 GMC and Silverado never ever will have to do this job 😂
Americans can't make vehicles well. That's why Asian cars are so popular. If you ever study why Toyota and Honda are so popular, it because of their quality controls in the manufacturing plants. I encourage you to read up on NUMMI, the GM and Toyota venture that failed because it was in America 😂
Prob misdiagnosed
“I’ve made a mistake 10 or 15 times, and just keep doing the same thing over and over, and bitch about it on the internet cause I’m lazy”
He doesn’t have time to use a ratchet. The job pays 5 hours so if he uses a ratchet and it takes him 8 he worked 3 for free
have you ever worked for a living?
That's a 10 hour job and they pay you 5 hours.
I get both sides... Started out as a BMW stealership tech in the 90's, then Chevrolet, then Toyota, then I started working for myself. It ALL sucks. ...and complaining about it isn't gonna change anything. This kid is just wasting his time.
@@beastly2671get better with a ratchet then. It's gonna take longer to extract broken bolts than it is gonna be to more carefully remove them...
Use a drill instead of impact. The back and forth impact with the slack in the fastening nut makes it super easy to snap. A constant torque will do better. May still break a few but should be a little better than impact
What? I thought mason was a genius with all the sense in the world. Just put an impact on everything!
These young guys impact drill everything. I think the sound of it must do something for em. If you're not working with steel use a regular drill after breaking it loose with a socket wrench. Like anyone with sense would.
@glenbeaver2784 I like them cuz they're fast. I dont want to sit there fiddling with 1 bolt for 2 min. But they have their place just like hand tools. If necessary I'll break a bolt free by hand but with cars today that's hardly ever. Unless you get stubborn thread locked bolts screwed into clip-on blind nuts.
No way I’m using an impact on trim, electric ratchet 100%.
Bingo!
This sounds less like a manufacturer making your job harder than it does the dealership's bunk payment scheme begging you to cut corners.
If car designers were also mechanics, most people could do the repairs themselves, lol.
First it’s not the designer, it’s the engineer. Second, I am an engineer and I also just did a frame swap on my F-350 to fix rust. So the engineers do often also wrench on cars. I just don’t bitch the whole time about the engineer who designed the vehicle because I understand the myriad of things they needed to take into consideration when designing the vehicle. There are more things an engineer considers when engineering a vehicle than just how easy it is for it to be repaired. Even then, often the company won’t listen to the engineering team and will force them to do something other than what they recommend.
5 hours for that? no way
🏆
7-8 atleast
Dang close to a full day process. The whole car has to go back together.. 5 hours 🫠🤦🏼♂️
That is what FORD said, fuck that shit, I'm not paying more then 5 hours. 🤣
Haven't broken to meny bolts just loosen them with a ratchet first it will save you time extracting studs all day
Brother what the scallop?
I’d use a ratchet and not break them because it’ll save you time from extracting the broken stud
I see so many mechanics today using power tools I don’t think I’ve ever seen one use a hand ratchet. If this guy did he wouldn’t have broken the bolt.
Basically saying "I'm rushing so I'm breaking shit"
Techs work on flag hours so time is money bud. $hit happens sometimes 🤷♂️
Because they're not paid for the actual hours that they work
If the book says it's a 5 hour job, they get paid 5 hours of labor for the job. If it takes them 7 hours, they get paid... 5 hours for the job. Do you like working for free?
It’s cheaper for him to replace the bolts than to take his time.
@alvaromartinez8563 how is it faster to break the bolts then have to fix them?
They started that back in the 70's. Example: heater core on a 73-79 ford pickup W/factory air, book pays 8 hours. First thing it says in the ford factory service manual, remove the front seat, that way you have lots of kicking and screaming room
Actually they were crossed threaded. I took mine apart and didn't break a 1. I used a torque impact also. It was a 1/2 inch also.
I wonder if it's because of rattles? Customer don't want their car sounding like a rattle can.
Can't come loose if it's chemically or environmentally welded together lol
Exactly 💯🎉
cant change it either
@@YoganKitty Take care of your car and there should typically be no reason you should have to mess with bolts/screws with loctite on them. They're only in places where major repairs/parts are.
Wonder if engineers thought they were going to prevent rattling. Solve one problem; create another. Let’s think about this.
STOP! YOU are not allowed to think! If the bolts are that easy to break then twist them of from the start. Get rid of that Mexican steel. Sheesh. Fasteners have been Cheap for so long ( except throwaway head bolts).
100% that is for squeak and rattle.
@@davidmoushey6185yet the screws any where in the dash of an 80's japanese are still perfectly set at 7Nm if noone touched it before you👍its almost as if they use less superior methods these days
That’s all fine and dandy til the cheap plastic dash cracks around the bolt. Rendering the bolt itself, useless.
@@supersst838that is absolutely the case, they build with the cheapest stuff they can get away with and sell for as much as we can barely get a loan for.
“Because we have a little bit of sense, unlike Ford Motor Company.” Solid burn! 🔥
- then continues working at the dealership getting screwed by hard flat rate work while the other tech is swimming in gravy work.
I'm not sure that the guy who is still using an impact wrench after snapping 15 bolts is someone with a little bit of sense...
Why dont we have a clip system on cars? Like imagine a 20 minute engine swap in your driveway. Or replacing the entire interior and adding a panoramic sunroof in like an hour. Why are there no modular cars? Imagine having parts manufactured for over 40 years on one car and being able to upgrade with plug and play parts from the factory?
Because these are 2 tons of metal driving down a road at speeds exceeding 80mph and a clip-on engine isn’t exactly what I’d want to be maneuvering in or around, gambling my life at every moment. Let’s do some clip on wheels, maybe some clip on brakes, clip on steering wheel? Why not a clip on brake so when you depress it, it clips off and you end up becoming clipped to the car in front of you
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial The clips I'm thinking of should be able to no problem, I was thinking toggle latches with safety pins, it would be just as strong.
that doesn't make enough money, is why
Whats amazing is people buying vehicles with no knowledge how to fix them. And some people that fix them do a terrrible job. Thats why knowledge is key.
No, the better question is why do they give you that little bit of time to get the job done because if you did it the right way it probably takes seven hours lol
I've been running them back in after a little ways out. Helps work the locktite out.
I’d call the insurance and total it at this point 😂 😅
I am too lazy to remove the bolts properly and I am too lazy to put Loctite on them before installation. Sounds like the usual dealership flat rate hack.
A good mechanic takes his time to not destroy your vehicle, half hour wont break you like you did to the vehicle then charged extra for new bolts what a scam !
Me doing that in 5 hours..There's gonna be a lot more broken,cracked & things not mounted properly, than a few broken bolts!!🤣🤣😭
Then you're doing it over, Fredo
Stick to driving your desk...
@@johnpeters9793 That's why I operate & repair heavy construction equipment..😉
@@randyleonard4126
You already told us your work ethic.....no need to say any more.
@@johnpeters9793 So you believe every comment made is fact & not possibly made in a humorous way..Enjoy ur trolling..
@@randyleonard4126
I guess telling everyone you're a lazy phvk is funny......I get it now!!
The problem is vehicle , rv , etc manufactures don’t wanna pay proper warranty times. I seen it all the time as a rv tech.
They will if all their techs quit. Lol. I'm hiring if you want to make the jump to inspection and fabrication :D
@@HisNameIsTater I did quit lol went back to HVAC
To be fair, ford doesn’t want their vehicles to rattle going down the road from loose bolts. You don’t care lol. However, instead of using an impact, why don’t to use a battery powered ratchet? Break the bolt by hand and then let the ratchet do the rest? Not as fast as an impact but might save you some time vs extracting broken bolts.
What makes ford different from any other manufacturer?
Why would their bolts need loctite while other manufacturers don’t?
the path of poor engineering. Engineering is about solutions.
@DeepakKumar-lv4te locktite is a cost effective, easy to implement solution to ensure you don't have any nvh issues related to loosening bolts.
Dude has had this happen AT LEAST 15 times and yet he hasn't learned? A rachet to break them loose is a lot quicker than extracting broken bolts. Taking a time cutting measure that takes more time and blames ford.
Properly torque your bolts and they don't loosen either unless the threading is bad on one of the parts. Plenty of 2000 Fords I've never had an issue and they don't have loctite. Either they're covering for low quality parts or someone's an idiot. Either way, bad design and bad form. A new vehicle shouldn't need loctite to stay together. @@Capthrax1
@@richardbrooksshnee they probably spend millions each year to add locktite. NVH is a serious concern for auto makers these days. Industrial process can result in weird procedures . Maybe it could be properly torqued down. Maybe not. Regardless the point about making the same mistake over and over when you know the solution them complain is idiotic
Why the heck does a console bolt even need locktite?
It either was to help prevent rattling over time, or more likely was to help keep unique part count down. So if one area needs the bolt to have loctite, every bolt of that size gets loctite. Keeps cost per bolt lower, but also reduces the chance a bolt that needs picture does get a non loctite bolt.
So many reasons.
I think the truth is that the manufacturer don't want any issues, so they out on everything. That means they build a vehicle that fights you to come apart though.
The goal is to get them out the door and to never return until out of warranty.
Vibration backs out screws blue lock tite prevents it, red lock tite is the permanent stuff. Can’t build flying rc’s without blue LC, they would vibrate apart in the sky.
@@RoastPorkandGreens I am fully aware of the properties of lock tite.
There are really no vibrations that would back a bolt out of a console of any modern vehicle. Imo
have you ever put your hand on the center console while parked? there's a slight vibration you can feel.
I'm sure over the years the vibration may loosen a bolt enough for it to rattle and so on the next revision they used blue loctite. although like the OP said it is an excessive amount
Props for keeping you cool. Ive been in the mood of quiting lately because of all this BS.
Get a quarter drive impact and rock it back n forth, out and in before taking back all at once... Game changer
Damn, I hope you're making serious money and I mean for you personally!! I'm killing it as a machinist with zero headaches at work!!
Ngl did my first Evap job along with condenser and compressor on a 93 F150. I was nervous about removing the dash for the first time until my boss said everything was under the hood. Easiest AC job i ever done but still question why that changed.
This is exactly why there's a shortage of people going into the trades
Quit complaining get over it do your job that’s how i see it can’t control what you don’t have a hand in so not much sense in bitching about it
@@nemesisanarchy1528 username checks out. You sound miserable
@@nemesisanarchy1528 Nah as a long time mechanic we have a right to complain and demand better. Many of us have degrees and / years of training just to be disrespected and not compensated properly. 5 hours of pay for a job that can easily take 10 is disgraceful. I mean i even think the flat rate pay system is a problem tbh (but another discussion) . In Illinois and other states through mechanics organizing /ect warranty pay / less labor times for warranty had been made illegal and we need it for all states as its a greedy time theft problem.
@@kennethobando5755 it’s an employer problem in entirety and people keep falling for it then getting screwed over and leaving or dealing with it and complaining instead of revolving and actually doing something about the problem so “act or shut your yap” should be the slogan for the employer tbh
You're a boomer for sure, telling people to do something about the stuff they disagree with and then calling them soft when they DO something about it.@@nemesisanarchy1528
6 yr old truck already problems
I am surprised it lasted that long...I am surprised it isn't a one or two year old vehicle.
Ford makes more money when it breaks.
That’s because the 6 year old truck has that 4 letter word on it 😂
Wait it's six years already?
Damn time flies
Wait till this guy finds out how many 1 year old or less trucks have problems
I love people saying to heat the bolt up inside a plastic console! 😅
I have a very smal handsized burner just hit the head of the bolt it will warm up and not burn the plastic.
The bolt will come out with a normal hand ratchet but most mechanics today seem to be allergic to hand tools.
Gotta love the internet every 1's A mechanic. Sitting behind a computer board with no experience.😂🤣 On to the next post.
" I Probably Could Use A Racket " 😂 🤣 , that's precious.
... gotta love answers to your own questions, then not even to yourself 🤤
From one tech to another. Use a small hand torch and heat the bolts before using an impact. It will loosen the locktite and you won't strip or break bolts. Hope it helps
A bit difficult when its holding a plastic part down
In watch repair sometimes locktite is used on screws... some people go overboard. I have a tiny arc welder that's perfect for heating up said tiny screws so that I don't torch everything.
For not only hates its customers, it hates its mechanics too.
'Im rushing so im breaking shit' is basically the moral of this 1
Otherwise he isn't making money.
If you can't do the job right don't do it at all!@@shawandrew
@@r563 you would never be able to get your evaporator changed. Nobody would work on your car if they all thought that way.
@@shawandrew I've never taken any car or motorcycle that I've owned two a mechanic.
I deal with this situation a lot at my current job. If you pulse your impact, you'll break them loose and not break the bolts. It'll add some seconds, but save you trouble later
The dreaded NVH goal. No rattles, no complaints.
Use a miniconductor where it'll reach. It'll heat the thread locker and allow you to remove the bolts easier
Brilliant…let’s brand the console no one will notice
Probably too hot close to plastic console and nylon carpet. A hairdryer takes a little while but will soften the loctite enough. However not using a rattlegun will stop snapping bolts. Smooth constant pressure of a ratchet will do.
A soldering iron held on the head of the bolt will heat it without damaging anything.
@randygentry2442 hence the part where it says where it'll reach. It takes some common sense. I would hope that someone familiar with the tool would have enough sense to know not to eat glue.
@@MrRupus2020 I prefer eating tide pods. Makes my insides feel so clean 😁
Why would they put locktight on console bolts to begin with 😭
Squeaks
To keep them from loosening and rattling.
When 300 pound bubba pulls a duke boys slide across the console is why there is 10lbs of locktite
They use these bolts all over the car, not just in the console and some places on the car do require it. They come from the supplier with the locktight pre-applied and it's just cheaper to reuse them vs ordering two different SKUs for bolts at the same thread size and length
@@davidmoushey6185 lmao 😂
All I hear is" I'm a hack, why should I change"
Love it. Always thought that the purpose of threaded fasteners was that they lock into place after proper tightening. Just in case you don't know. Lock tight is usually a sign of doubt in someone's own skill
From your POV, you broke the bolt because you need to be moving because the job doesn't pay enough for you to take the extra time. From a customer's POV, their mechanic broke a bolt on their car because they couldn't be bothered to use the right tool. Now in this case it doesn't matter because you replaced the bolt and the customer would never know about it, however I've had technicians mess up stuff with this same mentality and I don't find out about it until much later. Specifically tyre repai shops. They couldn't be bothered to start up the lug nuts with a socket, and end up cross threading the lug nuts. I normally wouldn't notice, until I get a flat, or need to rebalance the wheel. This has happened on my dad's car twice, on my first car once, and once on my current car.
I hope that were you work they are taking care of you. You are a valuable person.
Service writers charging a predetermined time are stupid, you don't know what's gonna screw with you till you get it apart
it is the factory not the dealers time you gat x amount payt for a insurance job it dont matter how long you do the job
Im honestly just amazed that youre expected to pull and reinstall a dash in 5 hrs😮
Granted, ive never turned a wrench professionally, but the heater core on my mustang probably took me 15. At least.
That you can turn it atound that quick is damn impressive.
As a mechanic for 40 years, I've had better luck with an impact gun taking out bolts than a wrench. The shock from the gun tends to remove bolts where the steady torque of a wrench terms to break them. You ever put a wrench on a bolt them hit it with a hammer? Most of the time, that'll take the bolt out. Sure, I have broken bolts using an impact gun, but I've broken bolts with a wrench too.
All the manufacturers do this. These new vehicles are frustrating to work on.
Tighten the bolt slightly first by hand to break the thread locker and then back out. Removing by hand makes more sense; the thread locker breaks loose if given some time and pressure.
The interior rattles and bolts loosen without the thread locker.
Charge for the amount of time it takes to repair or decline the repair.
Impact not saving time if it's breaking the bolts.
Mechanics have worked for decades, without using an impact on everything. Wisdom is in hands, not tools.
i was let go as a dealer mechanic last year due to a spinal injury, best thing and worst thing that could have ever happened to me. only reason its the worst is because i have had no financial help over the injury and now im unemployed.
After about 15 years working on cars I went to Heavy equipment and now I cut grass, landscape, and maintain our equipment. Occasionally I will work on a car or the like. My sanity is so much better now.
I dont miss it at all.
They run a business, they don't care about your convenience during a repair. They care more about a customer complaining about noise rattles and "build quality".
Try setting the impact to forward first as if tightening it, then to reverse. Somtimes snugging it will make it move a miniscule amount, making removal easier.
They do that to prevent the bolts from loosening and creating an incredible amount of squeaks and rattles in the interior
I'm sick of cheaply made hardware in general. Nuts and screw heads that strip all too easy, bolts and screws that snap all too easily when you're trying to extract them.
I keep having this problem.
I know the work around.
I am going to keep breaking bolts off.
My suggestion. Get the bolt moving using a socket wrench. Then use the impact to finish getting the bolt out.
I worked at Ford motor assembly plant building ranger and Mazda pickup trucks and the reason the loctite is on them bolts is the keep down the squeak and rattle noises! A major warranty concerned back in the day.
Suggestion (might not help) try a drill or non impact driver. The chuck locks so you can break the bolt loose with your wrist, then spin it a little slower while removing. I’m betting the loctite is just loading the threads faster than it can crumble or compress and find its way out, causing it to bind. Do they ever seem to start backing out then stop and break? Kinda like spinning aluminum or stainless fasteners too fast and having that gall the threads.
The upside of the drill/driver in an interior is that clutch can choke down the power on reassembly so you dont have to worry about stripping or cracking fragile plastics. It’s my tool of choice on interiors. I run into m6ish sized torx bolts with blue loctite from time to time, but we don’t have the problem you’re seeing, so there might not be much you can do. Hate seeing the young guys destroy fragile parts with their big bad and overpowered milwaulkees going back together tho, so I preach 😂. I figure the thread locker is there for NVH, necessary or not.
Pop em in the tightening direction and then begin loosening em with the trusty breaker, drive em out with an impact.
My aviation maintenance teacher taught me that lil trick and its saved me from snapping tons of hardware ever since. Its a bit of time yes, but it sure beats drilling a bolt if the vice grips cant get it.
Granted our work timeframes are a bit more lenient considering the danger. Time is still of the essence when grounding a bird can cost more than it does to operate it hourly.
I feel ya man! I broke one of those bolts from the center console. I broke them loose with a hand ratchet first then used my electric ratchet instead of my impact.
I think the real problem is the Warranty being too restrictive on your end. I for one would not mind my car being held together "too well".
Bro, if it is a 4x4 and goes off road... EVERY bolt should be LOCTITED else everything would loose and rattle over a short period of time.
I’ve always thought the people who design cars are trying to make them as easy (and, of course, cheap) as possible to manufacture, bait aren’t interested in how difficult they are to work on post-factory. That’s how you get designs like the car I had where you had to take the whole engine apart to get to the alternator, and the car a friend had where you had to take the front fender off to change the spark plugs (though, to be fair, the latter had a custom engine).
They also don’t seem to care how easily the fasteners break, as long as they hold up until you drive the car off the showroom floor.
As someone who started out slinging tires and worked their way all the way up to the corporate level at a very large auto manufacturer, I can tell you from personal experience, it's because they genuinely don't care about technicians.
Most shops will just leave them out. Can't say how many times I have come home from dealer and had missing bolts, grommets, brackets, etc. I even told them that I'm a mechanic. I understand things break.
I will pay the extra to fix it right.
I’ve done a few of those expeditions for evap cores and you don’t have to pull back the carpet and remove the front seats to do it!
I work at an auto manufacturing plant and we have bolts just like those just a bit bigger. We use em on active dampers looks like a hockey puck on the front dampers. And even when those bolts are brand new, just shooting them with an electronic torque gun they snap the heads off. The thread lock they have is terrible it’s like a dry chalk they come from suppliers in boxes by the hundreds with it on them.
Just know you’re not alone about hating those damn bolts. Because even the people building the cars have them snap off. I can only imagine how bad they are after they’ve been left for 5 years.
The best part is next week when the customer comes back complaining about the rattling console and you charge Ford warranty to put the lock tight on the bolts that you left vibrating. Ford wouldn’t spend $.02 on lock tight without a reason.
What I don't get with brands obviously making more complex designs to impeed customer repairs. Is by them making things harder to fix and one time they end up costing them selves more in labor time required and more parts that need to be replaced during warranty jobs.
To be fair, the engineers and manufacturing facilites are being held to tighter and tighter standards for noise, vibration, and harshness as well as final fit and finish. When someone pays $80,000+ for that loaded up King Ranch that Ford makes BIG, BIG profit from, they can rightfully expect that it not rattle itself apart on the first drive home. Bottom line is learn to do your job correctly and quit whining or find another career.
I dint think its the mechanic. not doing his job properly I doubt you also wanna pay 2 k for a 40 dollar evaporator on a 70k truck vehicle thats 5 years old. Well whats he complaining is neither does the warranty and they dont they just pay yim what they pay him and expect him to not complain about the stupidity. In my experience people who dont also service dont care about service and how things need to come apart. And people who dont know anything just tell people to suck it up or get another job. I'm sure they dont hate their job they hate this about their job. And beimg underpaid by people who want things done as if it where a lab but dont want to pay for it
I was at Nissan and a job went over the time allowed and parts weren’t available so the technician ordered rotors just like OEM, cheaper actually, and I’d be fine with that. Well, the service adviser cut his pay by an hour and he had to pay the cost to Nissan because the tech was more concerned about the customer. I will never do business with Nissan ever again. This tech has an amazing way of expressing his discontent with the manufacturer, that he worked so hard to get to his dream job, to realize it’s a scam.
One trick thats not really a trick i picked up at the dealer, was to just use a drill with a socket adapter instead of an impact, as long as you hold it tight it'll back all of those interior bolts and screws just fine lol
They would probably snap with a ratchet also, you need to heat those suckers with a heat gun, and then use a ratchet. I know they’re up against interior trim , so snap away and then heat the remaining stud or build a heat blocking template out of sheet metal to protect the fabric trim. The good news is they sit low out of sight and you’ll probably never do another one
You have bolts without loctite because you have sense? The loctite is used to help prevent rattles after 50k+ miles. Those bolts you put in without loctite can loosen from the everyday vibrations of the engine, transmission, different road surfaces, and even not quite balanced tires. You don't need the whole bolt covered in it like from the factory. But it does need some. As for not having time to remove them by hand, have you tried just loosening them by hand then using the impact? In the end, if it keeps them from breaking it would actually save you time. You don't have to drill out the broken ones that you can't remove from the other side and retap.
From the time I've been around I thought that the manufacturers always give more time than needed to fix these things. The last time I went to a dealership to do some work to remove the oil pan on a front-wheel drive car. The dealership allotted 3 hours. I've done it in less than 30 minutes and had never tackled that job before.
I'm facing this and when presented to the dealership to fix the leaking from the factory evaporator core, they just dumped Freon with stop leak and sent it out the door ....wasn't long when it was back to leaking outside of warranty and this video shows why even under warranty they slapped a bandaid on the problem. Also, snapping bolts upon removal is also classic f.o.r.d. !!!
Flat rate and warranty work are scams for both the mechanic and the customer. The mechanic gets screwed if they go over time and the customer gets screwed if their under the time. I get application requests every day from dealerships and i delete that shit immediately
I have the same issue with mower repairs. I get 30 minutes to do a warranty repair and then it ends up talking an hour because the torx are overtightened from the factory and then strip out the second you put any racthet on it. Its such a pain.
This has been an issue since the 90's. I remember when my temp vanes broke on my 99 Grand Cherokee. You can remove the whole dash............. OR buy this kit where you pull off the glove box and cut into the heater box, replace the vanes and reseal it. The fact you KNOW you will break those bolts shows you are doing it intentional.
I guess the tech manuals should say spend a minute to hand loosen the bolts and then spin the bolts out with a power tool.
Locktite is probably needed to prevent rattles and loosening of interior bolts. that does seem like more locktite than needed.
other alternative is to design a custom bigger stronger bolt that adds weight and cost to the truck so that techs can use impact to remove bolts that mostly likely would never be touched for the life of the truck.
Buy a soldering iron. Blue Loctite shouldn't be that hard to remove, but if it is just put a soldering iron on the bolt for a few seconds. The blue kind is low heat, so maybe around 200F on the iron.
Use a cordless Ratchet and initially break the bolts free and then just zip them out. Dont use a impact gun or driver. They break because the initial hit on the loctite bolts is way too much for those little bolts.
And youll basically do the job just as fast using the electric ratchet instead of the impact.
Manufactures didn't use Loctite mid-20th century, never noticed any of those cars with resulting noise or looseness related problems. | also ran recapped tires from time I bought my first beater ('67) until they were discontinued, mid-'80's. Never had a problem with a recap. Mid-20th century to late 20th century, 1 in 3 Americans' livelihoods were directly/indirectly associated with auto industry. Ding-ding!
The fact that there is people that don’t do your job telling you how fast you have to do your job is absolutely insane. What do they do these repairs with brand new cars?
I mean what a joke.
That’s why I said screw this job. 10 years as a Honda master tech. I decided it wasn’t worth all the bs, especially with warranty becoming more and more of what we were doing.