Spending money to beat it faster or become stronger is just cheating. Back in the day you would type a cheat code to get more health, money, run faster, get a better car, get more exp, et... Now you pay for it. Its like paying for red orbs in DMC or GOW, its just not fun, I don't undertand why people do it.
The thing is. there is no actually competition on genshin. There is no leaderboards, there is no PVP, and you have to go out of your way to do co-op. Its a single player game.
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp yeah i've played genshin a bit and yes you can do it F2P, but for example - it took me about a month of casual 2-3 hours gaming per day (4/7 days) to get enough gems to do a 10 gem roll. it can be done but i would never catch up in any meaningful way. Collecting characters are fun for sure but they really slow you down in leveling each character since you need multiple of the same one.
@@crspy914 It's more satisfying to roll a character without using a credit card because the dopamine you will get when getting the character you want and having little to no rolls left is amazing.
Genshin is particularly complicated case. Free to play. You get all the characters you will really need to finish the game, including the hardest end game content. But you get individual character story quest to really get to know them. They feel like companions, not just banner characters. With ToF, the only character I know of that has good character story so far is Nemesis, our banner girl. All other characters are not fleshed out properly by Genshin standard. In Genshin, even 4 stars get great backstory.
Yup its why I regret spending $ on ToF but I was so close to get Nemesis and didn't want to have that pulls go to waste. ToF is more predatory then genshin is.
@@Kuya5101 Good music and characters/biomes. Gameplaywise we have good combat and exploration. Yeah, the popularity makes sense, it's a good game. And not saying it doesn't have problems (Like storytelling, etc) just that it's good.
@Matúš Martinec It’s honestly not an issue of could Genshin have been better but should Genshin be “better”. Yes Genshin could have more complicated equipment, combat, even combos. But should it really? Would it really be more popular if it had a more complex combat system, if the had a much higher difficulty like dark souls? My take is, I highly doubt it. I think Genshin is popular exactly because it’s simple. And it polished that simplicity to a quite high degree. Because it’s simple it also attracts people who haven’t played a lot of games before, people who want a more relaxed time while playing. At the end of the day, hardcore gamers are still minority, and Genshin isn’t really catered towards them.
I feel Genshin has to be the most chill and most generous gacha game there is out there. How many gacha games force you to pvp against some whale to get your premium currency? Let's take one of the the worse ones like star wars galaxy of heroes made by EA for instance how if you want to make any progress you got to pay $300-$700 per character to be top in your pvp arena shard for a month or 2 but at the same time this is a constant requirement if you want to get anything back on this "investment" as the meta always power creeps to the very next thing all the time and if you don't keep up, you'll be eaten by the whales quickly. At least Genshin has little to nothing to do with the competitive stand point and most of your currency gained is just do dailies and weeklies and play the game. Spiral isn't that hard for anyone that played consistently since launch and even new players are beating it with undergeared rosters. Compared to a required "fee" for more pvp oriented gacha games to participate in events and arenas, I'd say Genshin has it way better off to perfectly fit the casual audience in a fair and balanced way. New units are not a requirement to play the game or compete and everything can be done with the base roster. Getting extra off of the free things given is just a bonus. I have no idea why anyone would ever consider Genshin to be awful compared to the likes of other predatory gacha games that more or less power creep to unfathomable levels where you have to keep buying every new unit or fall behind.
I actually think Genshin Impact is fairly conservative in most of these ways in comparison to everything else in the genre, and that's why I think it's so successful. They aren't constantly thrusting "offers" in your face, or "mysterious packages", or quite frankly anything. Nothing takes you out of the game. You have to manually go into the store yourself, and there isn't even that much to buy. In fact, the only thing worth buying is currency for wishes. And this is huge. There's a game to be played, a pretty good game actually, and they let you play it without pestering you.
@@michaelbuto305 you have no idea how many people are actually free to play, it's not a difficult game, there is no PvP, and no need for the best weapons and characters. Everyone knows the rates are a scam too, just watch people like tectone
The thing about Genshin is that you could make strategical decisions with the pity system even if you are F2P. There's no leaderboards, no pvp, no paywall, you can make those decisions solely on which character you like.
@@SappyTedjajuwanawell that not really, sure any character can do 99% of the game but the 1% (the abysse) asked some character (the "meta") Didn't think the almighty Venti being played recently, Hutao crush the concurence in mono-dps (with great characters like with yelan-xingqiu and zhongli). And only xiangling is better in Pyro as aeo dps with similar team (and more f2p friendly). Ayaka for any froze team (only ganyu "melt team" could be better as a cryo dps) ,... Lot of "ancient" characters are "creepblock" but are still strong but way less than new one. Only new artefact set, new weapons or new characters could make them better (like every electro characters with dendro element).
most META defining characters in Genshin are 4* , some of them being in game since launch, u can clear hardest content in game with any unit, but u have to invest more time into farming for worse units, META in genshin just let's you save resources in game, tho it's gacha so of course it is predatory , but not really P2W , rather pay to have variety
You gacha in genshin for 'want', and you 'need' less and less the more you play, unlike other gachas that breaks their own game with continuous huge powercreep so that their players would keep rolling the gacha to stay relevant.
You can earn currencies by just playing the game so you're not locked out from getting 5 star characters most F2P since day 1 have around 10-15 five stars correct me if I'm wrong.
Genshin has taught me that selfcontrol patience and moderation is all we need to move forward in game and in life . And desiding between 2 options even if it hurts a little
Gacha games taught me to learn formulas in excel :D This obfuscation thing is really something you need to fight from within. Once you find out how many these games are really asking from you, it becomes so much easier to commune with yourself what your limits are. Having to repeatedly spend 30$ in 10 days, because you're always coming up short? maybe, but if you calculate you're throwing away 300$ in one go? that may help set off alarm bells earlier.
Oh so how to be responsible individual with your money and buy what you want not just blame it on your “addictions and compulsive spending” or whatever other cringe shit people say just do away with a micro transactions system that won’t go away
@@hoppergrass9425 Lol, WTF? If it's not addictive where does the compulsion to soend money come from? It's all fucking pyschological man, wake up. Nobody has an actual "need" to spend money, it's called a "want" for a reason. Some people are just better about realizing that and setting limits whereas others are highly susceptible. Like maybe nobody taught them moderation, or they grew up poor(er) and are overcompensating, etc....
@@Altair1243WAR Right all these games hire and use psychologists to manipulate absolutely nobody... Mind blowing. The brain isn't as smart and people arnt as in control of it as theyd like to be. We are still very primitive and technology is way ahead of our brains ability to control and process, especially for those in distressed emotional states that these games prey on. As well as children.
Genshin is pay-2-flex; your choice to invest doesn't impact others. You whale because you want everything for the character you are rolling for or you are farming sprial abyss clear times for tiktok views.
It does impact others if you can coop for dungeons and endgame bosses and are able to carry through those contents. So yes genshin impact is pay2flex but it's also still pay2win.
i played genshin near release and also felt like it wasn’t that bad since there was a lot of stuff to do without any investment. Other games are much more forceful in getting you to interact with the gacha systems
I think gacha genre is the first time it taught me to be patient and just forget about some things that aren't primarly needed. And I found myself to spend less money on battle passes in general too.
For Genshin's currencies: Mora - Just your basic gold. Get it from quests, kills, domains, Leylines, etc. Genesis Crystals - Paid only Currency Primogems - Used to purchase Gacha pulls. Genesis can be traded for Primogems at a 1 to 1 rate so it's not any more confusing. Fates - used to actually do the Gacha pulls. These can be purchased for 160 Primogems, and there are Rainbow ones and Blue ones. Both cost the same, and the only difference is that Rainbow is used to pull on time limited banners, Blue for the standard banner. They're earned just by playing too, from certain larger events that you can spend the points you earn during the event on. Stardust - Obtained from Gacha pulls. Every 3-4 star you pull gives some Stardust, which can be used to purchase common crafting items, and monthly to purchase up to 5 each of the Rainbow/Blue Fates. Starglitter - Obtained from Gacha pulls like Stardust, but only from 5-star pulls. Can be used to outright purchase rotating 4-star characters, or higher rarity crafting materials, as well as decent 4-star weapons, but never anything that's top of the line. Good, but outclassed often. As far as remembering how much money you've actually spent on gacha pulls, it's as simple as remembering that 160 Genesis Crystals/Primogems = 1 Pull. It's still definitely got the obfuscation going on, but it's not as bad as some games I've seen. The only reason Genesis Crystals are separate from Primogems is that they're your "paid gems" rather than ones you can get for free, for the sake of purchasing skins that are paid only. As for the "new characters are always better" bit, no, not true with Genshin. Some are, others aren't. One of the characters he used in his spread of 5 that made a ton of money in 1 day (the blonde boy) is... Actually pretty lackluster. And two of the highest rated units in the *entire game* are 4-star units that have been in the game since launch.
Even in skins department, only skins for 5 star characters are paid, the skins for 4 star characters can be unlocked if they're being released for the first time. The only catch is you gotta be present for those events cause once they're gone, then you gotta spend to get them.
@@Vizible21 you should've saved up pulls if you wanted her that bad lol, try to control yourself from your gacha addiction, I for one skipped 4 banners for a character I want. Raiden shogun C2 68,56,48 pity.
@@ArjentaSilverwing exactly, when I lost my 50/50 on Yae's banner, I didnt went ape shit and start charging more primo, I just accept it and maybe next time her banner come around, people just dont have self control.
In genshin rather than pay to win its pay for variety, make the game easier, and progress faster in getting endgame builds. Once you have one endgame team you can pretty much beat all content forever and not worry about gacha and that could be with the free starting characters. But genshin, and many of the other most successful gacha, are pay for your waifu/husbando to be as flashy as possible. A max 5* and max 5* weapon for a character will make them op but there isn't a single piece of content that can't also be cleared with free 4* characters and weapons that have good builds. It's more the convenience or simping aspect that draws players to spend since lack of PvP and lack of endgame that necessitates whaling doesn't exist.
@@blueishgreen76 I hesitate to call it pay to skip in the same manner as other games with them as that’s really only the case when you first start the game. Once you 36* Abyss for the first time, ~9months of 20min/day f2p, the entire pay to skip aspect ceases to exist in terms of necessary progression for presumably the entire lifecycle of the game. The game starts with a high wall but if you climb it one time the predatory nature of necessary time gated vertical progression turns into entirely optional horizontal progression that’s player motivated. Gacha is clearly predatory but Genshin is in a weird spot where the game is a pushover after your account can do abyss so actually spending money has no true benefit beside variety and reducing player effort. It’s one of the only gacha titles I’ve seen that has heavy power spikes locked behind it but those power spikes end up completely irrelevant for completing content. Yet it manages to consistently be the highest grossing gacha game with a gacha that ignores the entire concept of necessary power the business model was established on.
Genshin Impact is not pay to "win", because there's simply nothing to win, there are no PVP or any other competitions in PVE, what do you actually win? The point is that, unlike diablo immortal, you can still have decent gaming experience as a FTP player.
Agreed 100% a lot of the points he makes are straight up false, there isn't even that many types of currencies, I have been playing the game for over a year not a dime spent and I would never do it otherwise, it's a lot more fulfilling when I actually win something and I'm not a fucking child so I don't fall for their tricks
@@EarlZero0 there is alot of currency. If you compare to some older gacha , they only have 1 premium currency. While i agree some of the point doesnt apply to genshin, it applies to other gacha game
@@CrustedPork thats for you to decide wheter you want to spend or not, i have a welkin/bp account and a f2p account you only need to be more careful when pulling on characters but i would say my f2p is almost as strong as my bp/welkin account because i spent my primogems more wisely.
@@aikentang there's only 2 currencies (four if you add "Gold" and "Energy), the rest CANT be bought with money, so they should be classified as tokens as theyre not purchasable
The two incorrect things about genshin. 1. There are only two levels between spending money and pulling. Credit Card -> Gensis Crystals (exclusive cash premium currency) -> Primogems (normal premium currency) -> Pulling. However, it is important to note that 1 genesis crystal is equal to 1 primogem, and not some messy thing like 1 genesis crystal to 1.69 primogems. The separation between the gensis crystals and primogems is done so that skins are only obtainable through putting money into the game, otherwise there is no difference. The different currencies mentioned in the video apart from genesis crystals and primogems are basically currency you get after you pull which give you more pulls (pulling a 5* gets you one more pull basically) 2. There is almost a reverse powecreep style to the game. The longer the game goes, the more balanced the characters are made. For example, the characters made at the start of the game were made without balance in mind as much, thus still make up over 50% of the meta as they ended up being broken. People were literally questioning on whether to pull a new 5* because she did barely better than first patch 4* (talking about yelan and xinqiu).
I'm free to play and primogems are very generously given in-game. It's also pretty much just a singleplayer game, there is no need to actually get better characters if you just want to play the game free.
Me as genshin f2p, no money spent. Earning primogems from events and dailies are most fun. I'm more a hardcore character collector and I'm happy to get most 5 Star characters I wanted with no constellations. 🥰🥰
@@JayceCH. and you forgot saying Husbandos. lol I'm just playing the game as is and gain event 5 stars I wanted. But you said bragging, no. That's just big oof to you.
@@JayceCH. I mean, if you enjoy the game, fuck it mate. Why the hell would I care? It's not like I'm putting money into it. If you think about it, I'm just a net negative for them, like plenty of other players who don't buy the currency and don't talk much about the game.
@@NeoSlashott And yeah it has Traps as well ( not many other gachas have them except FGO ) [ I havent played both but that " Trap " characters fascinate , I have a poor device can't play else it'd be nice to research and know more about Genshin Impact - hopefully If I get time later]
@@JayceCH. I do agree for one specific fact , show the whales these monetization videos. Infact if something at all , to make sure the all players feel good , let the whales know this predatory tactic. It makes the game fun for everyone. I can't see why a F2p won't like the whales knowing this, it makes any pay to boost progress game more fun , supporting is okay but just like being aware of gambling and still enjoying. You dont have to agree with me , it's also my opinion and Im happy to be taken in any good or bad account. But this particular area seems to be my concern. Like let the whole player base know this tactic and still play the game but more mindfully and being aware.
same here. collecting character and farming their artifact is more fun than collecting constellation or 5* weapon. sooner or later gamers must adapt with this kind of monetization, whether you dont like or disagree with it.
@@gidi3250 well that's a take haha, but also in just the fact that he can just be calmly reacting to a video and suddenly he falls into a roast whether directly or indirectly
I'm having a great time playing Genshin without spending a cent. As long as you can accept that you will just get the characters you'll get, their monetization doesn't have a lot of power over you.
@@Molimo95 banners need 90 rolls to gaurentee a 5 star. If the first 5 start you get is not the rate up one, then the next 5 star will be the rate up. This carries over to future character banners too. Essentially all 5* characters have a hard cap of 180 rolls to get as that gaurentees 2 5 stars
@@Molimo95 if you spend primogems on a rate up banner, let's say ganyu banner. And you get 5* from that banner but unfortunately it isn't ganyu, then the next 5* that you will get from that banner or the next rate up banner with different character is no longer RNG
41:55 My first thought about the "competing on skill" thing was League. I feel like a lot of people that play league hate it because in order to consistently win you have to be constantly better than the other players (although sometimes even that isn't enough) in champion skill, micro and macro, and general game knowledge. All this would require a ridiculous amount of time, where at that point you're no longer playing the game because its fun.
No, league players thrive on boasting about their skills being better. What they hate about the game is the toxicity and trolls, and fragile egos that ruin their games. The skill (mechanically) is rather easy to get too, what's worse is building enough experience to have a good sense of item building for each game. You need exponentially more knowledge with each champ, in order to know how to counter each matchup successfully. THAT is the real skill when it comes to League. Pro players are just coincidentally also extremely good mechanically with almost every champ, because of the time they've spent training game sense and matchups.
Fate is a franchise that started with visual novels and then said novels were adapted into multiple anime and this is the biggest reason a lot of fans, myself included, began playing the game (basically, it adds more to the existing lore). Fate grand order is a single player game and you get more than enough free stuff to be able to do all content without any issues. Which means there is actually no reason to spend any money at all unless you have no self control and/or are rich. I have been playing it for over a year without spending anything and I have 10 5 stars and half of them are some of the best characters in the game which just makes it more unbelievable, imo, when I see these cases of people spending so much money.
It is entirely possible to spend so much money in FGO, specially if you are the kind of player that feels the need to have all the available characters. But if you accept the fact that you can't get everyone, yes, FGO is a game that can be enjoyed without spending a dollar. Free characters with most new events, support system which allows to use friend's characters, plenty of free gacha currency of which there is only one (technically two: paid/free SQ)
@@RisqueBisquetz I mean, I am not defending the practice but the people that just throw away money they can not afford to spend are to blame as much as the company that enables this in the first place.
@@electricant55 not free but they are also not that expensive in perspective to require using dirty mind tricks to extent companies do in order to grab ppls wallets :) tbh simple optional battle pass and skin/mount/pet from time to time would be more than enough to keep steady revenue with xx k players :) problem is if milions ppls get caught on it and there are generally acepted practices in development then why not make hundreds of millions instead of millions per month ;) We are far beyond good taste or morality at this point.
It's worth mentioning that Genshin is designed so well that a mentally healthy person that plays regularly and spends an equivalent of WoW sub a month can get a LOT of characters, weapons etc. I'm not trying to advertise the game or defend the whale-baits there, just pointing out that the business model is not targeting only whales and people without control.
Copium. Trying to defend gacha system. I buy welkin and battle pass even 2 months of saving up isn't enough to get a character you like if yoú lose 50/50. Getting Keqing or Diluc isn't something than getting a character you actually like and would use. Stop pretending like Genshin is the beat game, it only wins an award just because the dev literally pays us with primo to vote. Lmao
Design well but gacha is evil, i have seen a son kick out from the house, a rich become homeless bcoz of genshin, you just dont get much exposure on the world yet
@@Vizible21 Oh man, I'm not defending it, I'm hating it myself. The 50/50 and even more horrible pity system for signature weapons are so unnecessary. Also logging in every day to give food to some dude and escort the balloon again XD
All his Points are kinda Correct. But he has no IDEA of Genshin Impact, Talks about Battle Pass, does not show the Battle Pass, Currencys Wrong, talk about Wishes, Wrong. Every Gacha Player i know playing like Honkai etc before, said, Genshin is Pretty Fair when it comes to Gacha. Yes its still aiming to get your Money. Its not an Angel. But he should not use Genshin for this Video, when he has no idea about it. (he= Atrioc)
@@EngelAguilar it may be a gatcha game with content/good gameplay. But it is still quite aggregious compared to some lower scale gatchas. They may just go a powercreep road for few character then buff others or nerf new characters to balance them out. But they still got your money
@Malachi Gillespie Why not, its a great game even you dont spend anything. You dont need gacha characters, but you get tons of free currency to get alot of them anyway. The Game has other problems for me, but nothing you can skip buy paying.
@@DimkaTsv Sure, and i did say, genshin is ont an Angel, they sure want Money as a F2P Game. But i never felt i HAVE to Gacha. Its a Single Player Game, and i can Beat any Content with my Team which i never Spend anything. I spend only a Single time till Today, Started playing on Launch. Just for Battle Passes, and some Wishes. And still have half of the Currency i bought. After Hundres of Hours i felt it OK to give somethnig Back with the Purchase.
I'm a Day 1-ish player of Genshin Impact. You don't need to spend money on Genshin Impact to get characters you want, just do the events, explore to open the chests, make your team strong to beat Spiral Abyss and enjoy the story to get the currency needed to pull the limited characters you want. All of the above is free if you put in a bit of effort and play the game normally. And even if you do that and still don't get the character you want, the "exclusive limited character" thing is a lie, just wait for the rerun of the character. And let's say you do want to spend a little on Welkin Moon for example. It's worth it, because this game is at a very high quality. Has an engaging story, a world designed by incredible artists and arguably the best original soundtrack I've ever heard in a while. It is worth it if you're well off enough to show your appreciation to the devs for their work and for your own enjoyment of course. I wish Asmon would actually play the game to form his own opinion.
me too. cant wait until asmon tried genshin. i think genshin have figured out how to balance a good game and good ways of making money. all of the constellation and 5* weapon is nice to have and not must have. by playing this game consistently, you will have enough primogems to collect the characters that you need.
yep welkin moon only thign that worth it i use it when im not buysy but ignore it when busy so dont have to "login i paid for it" feeling. everythign else is garbage, also if use energies and frequencies you can get better pulls.
Above everything mentionned, you also have the credit card factor. Spending money you might no have or can't feel. Like spending 100$ you have in your hands is so much different than 100$ on a credit card swipe. Mix this with the obfuscation of multiple different currencies in game, it's an absolute mess.
thats an issue mostly i guess in USA. In Europe credit cards arent that popular. I personally dont know a single person who owns a credit card. always debit
I don't agree whatsoever, this just screams "I have no concept of monetary value" just because you are handing over money in phsyical form or in the form of a card doesn't change the fact you are exchanging money. People are just bad with their wallets, they don't take the time to think, "if I spend X amount that will put me at XXXX and then I will have difficulty affording essential items, or being able to pay my bills" it's not hard.
@@Osprey1994 one click is easier than handing over dozens of 100$ notes. On top of that you buy crystals and with crystals again another currency called primogems and than you buy the actual wishes for 160 of them. In oder to keep track of how much money you spend you have to actually pull up a calculator.. This all makes it hard to keep track of how much you spent in total and they obviously want that. They manipulate and use people who are more prone to such addictions and basically profit of their despair. How is this not morally questionable? And how is this still legal in so many countries?
Video is incorrect on a multitude of facets, I can't actually list all the details because it would be a novel. This will probably be long as is... 1.) There is no meta, it's a single player game and you can beat everything with free characters and free weapons. 2.) Zhongli was nerfed before release, he came out very weak and the community lost their mind. 3.) Raiden Shogun was the biggest selling character in the game. 4.) Welkin and BP are the biggest value in the game it will cost you as much as a WoW sub to maintain it but you can manage without (I have multiple friends I can use as examples) 5.) The bonus on the currency resets so you can pick one in a situation where you feel it's justified and wait until it resets. 6.) Games pity is very transparent, I have never missed a character unless I was careless and accidentally hit my 100% early while trying to snag a 4 star (DO NOT DO THAT IF YOU HAVE 100%). 7.) The games events are quite generous. 8.) We know exactly how much money it takes to gaurentee a character. 9.) Weapon banner is a trap for whales, or a sink for people don't want to pull for characters anymore. 10.) Artifacts are the biggest source of power. 11.) Google how Keqing is pronounced, it's a surprise. Lastly there are only two types of currency. Crystal and primogems...the starglitter and dust are just a way of giving you a way to pick up extra rescources and extra gems and even characters in the long run.
For the record, Genshin has very few "skins" or new outfits for existing characters and they are either (1) free to obtain, you just have to complete the limited time event quest which is not hard; or (2) able to be purchased directly, no gacha element involved - a straight up purchase.
I get the guys point and generally agree, but he clearly doesn't play or actually know about Genshin so when he tries to make an example of it with saying stuff like you can raise a 3 star weapon to 5 stars or something wrong like that it makes it sound so wrong and bad. I get that it's pretty much 'gambling' , but 5-star character rates in Genshin are so low that you end up just assuming you'll go to the soft pity at 75-80 once (for a 50% chance) or twice (for guarantee), which is basically buying the character for a known price. and if you lose that 50% then the next one is still guaranteed no matter what/forever, even if its a different/future banner.
and this is the reason why I can't even truly view it as actual gambling. Because in gambling, there is no guarantee. Yes, you can look at genshin as buying 10 pulls with a small chance of getting the thing you want (that IS gambling) OR you can look at it as buying a character (in other words buying 90/180 pulls) with a small chance that you will get more than what you wanted (which is not really gambling anymore). It's like a wierd grey area.
I'd love if Asmon would start a f2p journey on a second server in Tower of Fantasy and compare the experience with the same time investment as the 2k account
That’s actually genius. The paying aspect really overshade the exploration in ToF, there are interest points that gives yellow currency (The big boy, p2w currency). By using real money to get them makes finding them in interest point less desirable, I dropped like 1k on an account and find it boring af after 3 days then I made an different account to go f2p and I have to say the game gives off more fun than paying for the gacha currency.
@@sparkofcuriousity i mean look at mtashed, both of his whale accounts and f2p have the same power level in genshin. Most famous Gacha games are always pay to flex wealth anyway.
I think the biggest difference would be battle passes. Holy shit that thing gives A LOT of stuff. I already considered get one, but i have some irl priorities rn. But still, i haven't seen any big power gap that makes me unable to play without spending some bucks. Even better that im focusing tank role, so let the whales do the dps. lol
So if anyone has played PGR, the main premium currency is Black Cards, with the paid Currency being the Rainbow Card. Rainbow can buy anything from more Black Cards to skins and decor pieces in game. The way the Gacha works though is that the Black Card gets converted into a specific ticket type depending on your banner. If its an event banner, its yellow. If its a regular banner for constructs its blue, alongside the regular banner for weapons. And if you want a specific weapon, you got the target banner for red. You can also purchase Rainbow Card packs that give a full 10 roll that are a monthly refill. The Gacha system itself has a pretty good pity as well, even showing you how much you need till you get the next s rank or what not. It's still has a lot of signature gacha mechanics but overall, it focuses more on gameplay and skill rather than having all the best gear.
Also if you are a whale I don't think that is much of a concern... and also Comparing genshin for example, 5 dollars gives you 2 pulls (i think) the hard pity is 180 pulls...you need 180 pulls for a guarantee. on PGR 5 dollars, 1 pull, with a pity of 60 (100% for new constructs or special/anniversary banners). That is way cheaper
Want to add my voice to the pile. If asmon ever does play genshin I hope he goes at it as a pure F2P. It will be much more relatable and can hopefully show how not every gacha game shoves purchasing options in your face
I really wish Asmon would play f2p genshin without focusing on gacha. The game has so much more to offer: a good story, MASSIVE freaking lore, fun combat where you actually have to think about combinations, rotations, team comps, watch cooldowns, decide on what elemental reactions are better for some particular enemy... Exploration is really fun too, like, all the hidden dungeons, quirky hidden chests, huge world quests like with nine orbs in liyue etc. Main events of patches are cool, new areas are aesthetic and provide new mechanics and puzzles every time they get released. So, focusing on gacha exclusively is just the wrong way
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp honestly ive been using traveler on my team since i had built him months ago but never used him and the unit i wanted to play wasn't built yet and ive been having so much fun. granted, zhongli being on my team most likely made him better but still fun
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp i was thinking about that as well! I'll try him out and see how he plays. if it isn't my thing I'll probably stick with geo traveler
Even if they make actual harder boss or something, casual player gonna complain again and they gonna nerf it like they did to Childe boss and Inazuma's Samurai.
The guy was completely wrong about currencies. There's literally only 2 wish tokens in the game and 2 currencies to buy the wish tokens. All the other stuff like Starglitter or Stardust have nothing to do with wishing and is used as a currency to exchange for items which have absolutely nothing to do with the gacha in the game.
Like don't get it wrong, I still hate a lot of gacha practices, but to bring up Genshin where it's pretty much non-existent feels like a terrible example. In fact, Genshin is weird fucking game where the people who get the most value and enjoyment for their money are the low spenders. People who drop like 15 dollars for the battle pass and daily login reward while working gives no real advantage since it's a PvE game with no leaderboard. The only thing Genshin does badly (in terms of gacha) compared to other gacha games is their abysmal amount of currency rewards.
You can buy wishes with Starglitters and Stardusts. And you get Starglitter and Stardust from dupe rolls, i.e. you have to gacha to get them, too. The least money-related currency in Genshin is Mora and that is also locked behind a time-based resin system.
Genshin has a meta but u can easily beat everything with the strong 4* units and in fact the best unit in the game is a 4* and so is the 3rd best. There are 6 really broken 4* units and a decent amount of good ftp weapons. Additionally the new 5* units aren’t always strong a lot are weak or average in fact most of the broken 5* are from 1.x or early 2.x
Zhongli was NOT meta or op on release and that data was from that time. He was one of the weakest 5 star characters back then and people spend this much money because they just like the character.
Yeah, there was the whole "buff Zhongli" thing because he was too weak and then they buffed him, but it only happened because people liked him a lot (also, he's the god from the nation which represents China in-game).
The whole meta shiit mentality is what's ruining games, noone cares your spent money to flex on a video game...... try something more skill based and watch the fake hype gamers run for the hills
It's not that difficult to break the login spree. I didn't log in for 2 days in a row and that was it, I'm done with the game and never felt like logging in again. There needs to be something else that keeps you coming back than just random rewards. It boils down to whether or not the game is something you genuinely enjoy, because if you don't, you will NOT keep logging in indefinitely.
@@Zanduras1 I haven't logged into lost ark since tof came out. I wasn't that interested in the grind in the first place so it's not that surprising. I will go back when some new skins and aeromancer comes out though, but yeah I didn't really feel as if I had to log in every day that much. Like I could get farm weekly gold for skins but if I really want them I'll just buy them. Same goes for gacha I guess but rolls are really expensive compared to skins so you can't really afford to play on and off on those games of you want to get stuff without paying.
I stopped logging into Lost Ark when I ran out of non repetitive combat that wasn't bosses. The bosses in Lost Ark are probably some of the most cheating degrading BS I have ever seen. At least in WoW you don't get knocked on your ass when you get hit by an effectively unavoidable AoE since WoW doesn't lock your character into an attack animation.
With gacha games i have mixed feelings. With Genshin i love the game, the esthetic and history. In the other side, hate the 90 pulls count, for the OC nature, but, is a more easy to understand system against other gacha. On the sour side, Tower of Fantasy playing since day one, still trying to learn the multiple currency system and how you get to a wall related of the power difference between SR and SSR. This is a matter really really important, mainly of the easy access to spend absurd amounts to stay on top or up to date with the content.
In a fair case, try rerolling today for the 1st limited banner in TOF. Then try in Genshin. TOF also has reruns that has pity that stays in different limited banners. You could get any SSR you want (3-7 SSR STANDARD is fairly easy for just a month play) while getting 1 limited SSR every other patch. They also take reruns or goes to the Standard banner after a 2-3 month. In general Genshin already lost hard, only the whiteknights and very very f20 casuals stayed in that game. Any skilled or experience RPG players already left that game and has content drought which TOF already solve by introducing scaled balanced PvP, Battle Royale, Raids with a little PowerCreep META.
I agree that ToF has more currencies and can be a bit annoying to understand at first, but at the same time it's so much more generous with pulls and many other systems. Been playing since launch, I've only bought the battle pass and have pulled 8 SSR's, counting the free one you can chose from the event, as well as 2 that I bought using Black Gold. I also have a bunch of maxed SR's. That's just an insane amount compared to Genshin. I played a ton of GI when it came out and I was nowhere near that amount after months, and I was grinding so much more. I'm guessing this will slow down in the future in ToF, especially when we'll have explored the whole map, but it's still a very good headstart that makes me not feel like I need to spend money to have a strong team/weapon set.
He’s the 2nd I saw who tried to make the currency system more than what it actually is. The previous guy put collectibles and upgrade materials as premium currency ffs.
Yeah, I think that guy didn't really make his research Yes, you buy Genesis Crystals which are 1:1 to Primos, next you use 160 of them for a fate, and that's it. The guy said that you use fates to turn them into Starglitter to roll for Stardust.
@@azorailke6057 first of all, it's atrioc. get our king's name right. second, how is that a fair criticism against someone who doesn't play genshin? OBVIOUSLY it's gonna seem like a lot to have 5 currencies.
@@GeorgeMonet no because the game is actually good, and people actually love the characters, each character in genshin has fan accounts and subreddits, it's insanely popular
Because its the only one that is playable in phone, pc and console... open world and globaly released and kid friendly (easy and anime style). They are good are marketing and a lot of money for it. And after that the game became the trend in social media. You have to undestand that a lot of genshin player spend more time talking about the game than playing the game. And because there is a new char almost every month, they talk again every fucking month, easy marketing. Other gacha are almost not talked about in social media. Other games are in a majority a trend when new patch/exp or release and its happens one time a year for the better ones. Hoyoverse mastered the marketing that's all. And of course it is a good game when you start it.
Genshin could be beaten with only first characters you've been given. So its not hidden behind paywall or smth like that. Every peace of content is achievable with just free stuff game gives you. So its not pay to win per say. But game is encouraging you to spend as much as you can that's true and there is no limit to that. + They've attracted a lot of influencers to propagate spending gross amounts of money on an in game content, whereas a game content barely worth like 60$ after 2 years of release.
@@mangshu21Now with sumeru you can say it's a AAA adventure, so it worth 60-70 bucks. What's wrong with what I said lol? Or should I pay for shitty monstadt 500 bucks to get a character there?
EDIT TO ADD: I FORGOT to mention. Genshin Impact allows A LOT of opportunities in the game to get their platinum currency. This is why I don't have too big of an issue with the monetization for this game. Also, I don't understand the fuss with the currencies, either. The glitter you get as compensation for a wish that you can spend on additional wishes or in-game items. I don't know man. People are wrong about Genshin, but they aren't completely wrong. Genshin Impact is a great game. I got it on launch. I am also someone with past trauma that makes me prone to addiction, so I speak out against gacha games. I say all this to say this: Genshin Impact is not as bad as people make it seem. I've personally only spent money on the battle passes (which are fine; its basically a subscription fee on a free game) and in the past I've bought the gems when they were double the value (only one purchase each), and I've also purchased the 30 day currency pass when I played it every day. In total, I've spent maybe a bit over $100. The game is free but it's a live service game. I took a break and just came back, so I have Inazuma and Sumeru to explore now. I plan on purchasing just the battle pass this go round. If people do not hold themselves accountable and are prone to addiction as I hold myself accountable, then they shouldn't play these games. The problem is the internet in general allows so many people to come together and no one resolves their past trauma. They just compartmentalize and cope through para-social relationships on the internet, and they seek happiness through an addiction, which can be anything honestly. The chances of you reading this comment are slim, but I think Genshin's pay model is a bit predatory (I prefer Apex's model over everything) but it's not as bad as it can be. Diablo: Immortal is a sin and shouldn't exist.
@@despain8726 As i day 1 f2p genshin gamer can you please explain me where can i get those oppurtunitys to get platinum currency, please enlighten us ? Compared to other high profile games like Azur lane, GBF, Arknights and so on, the premium currency you aqquire in game is abssaly low so the criticizem is valid in that case.
@@tadejhlavacek404 are you trolling? Aside from the daily commissions, there are events that reward primogems. The game world itself has loads of opportunities to earn gems, and let's not forget the rewards you get from the Spiral Abyss. This has to be a troll post, because you just exposed yourself: you just play the game way too much. It's either time to pick up another game or pick up a new hobby.
@@blkwng you missed the point of my post. Self accountability is huge here. At the end of the day, if you lose all your money on digital currency, that’s your fault. It’s a free game. Stop playing it. If you can’t stop, you need to get yourself into therapy and stop forcing other people to solve your fucking problems
Not really, the friendliest gacha system is Azur Lane In Genshin, if you buy welkin pack and doing commissions everyday, you're guarantee of 1 pull/day But in Azur Lane, after finish all activities, you gain 3 cubes/ day, the gacha is 1 cube/light ship or 2 cube/battleships Even tho there is no pity system in Azur Lane, the rate of getting new ship girl is pretty high, most of the event i spent less than 100 cubes to get 5 - 6 new ship girls So you dont even have to pay for anything, Azur Lane makes money by selling skins tho
i knew Atrioc Intention to shed a Light on how awful Gacha System really is and its Noble, but at the same time he cast a Shadow to the game itself. Saying Genshin has the MOST Currency out of Gacha game, saying Battle Pass and Welkin as a Way to Always Coping and staying to Play Genshin, the moment he say this i realize that he is starting to BIAS his Statement. I play many Gacha game and there is still many Elephants in the room. While at the same time Atrioc spending 1K on CS:GO Crate, is kinda Hypocrites to be honest. Like Asmon said, its okay if the thing we directly buy with money is a real thing and Guarrante like example Welkin, But Atrioc smears it like its a Bad Thing. I kinda starting to wonder what is his trying to prove?, How awful Gacha is? Or How Awful Genshin is?.
Imagine making a video about gacha, but then go ahead and pick the gacha that is barely a gacha for the topic. Makes 0 sense.... Clearly showed through the video that he doesn't even play the game and doesn't understand anything about it, even the currencies or how things work. You can play this game from start to finish, experience the whole story and content without spending anything at all. As a F2P player you can get ALL the characters as long as you have some basic understanding about the rates and pity system, and you can GUARANTEE you get them. All you need to do is play the game, be engaged in it and its easy. People spending w.e they want on other gacha, is a THEM problem, its their personal issue. No one is forcing them, they made the choice. THERE IS NO PVP in Genshin, there is no P2W content. Meaning spending is purely a choice to advance in collecting w.e you want, but not to progress in the game... This is the same as blaming a cliff. Sure, the scenery looks nice and tempting to glide down. But if you chose to do so without proper gear (spending money when you shouldn't), and you die, its on you. People falling for temptation is not the fault of the cliff/scenery...Even if said cliff for some reason was created by a human with malice.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 LOL thanks for letting everyone know that you are a jackazz. 1 thing is not understanding a topic but another thing is d1ck riding someone that doesn't understand a topic. That's just another tier of stupid....imagine being this kind of turd xD
47:43 I really like your comment about being against learnt helplessness. Yes, just because something is designed to be manipulative doesn't mean you don't have agency or responsibility to be vigilant, to pay only what you can afford and to actively make good decisions. Good discussions like this should bring into people's awareness the potential pitfalls and dangers and then it's partially on us what we do with ourselves, our time and our finances.
It's actually easier being a f2p Fate GO player in North American since that version is 2 years behind so you can always check the Japanese banner catalogue for the year and save up for what banner you want to roll for.
Genshin is 1) pve and single player with no leaderboards or pvp so having good characters doesn't matter. 2) I can get an average of about 70-80 pulls every patch. 75-80 is the soft pity(20 percent chance every pull, so 99 percent of 5 stars come here). 90 is hard pity. So i basically get 1 5 star every patch. 3) There are 4 star characters wayyyy better than 5 star characters in the game. For example Bennett,xingqui, xiangling, sucrose is a team made up of only 4 stars which were released with the game and everyone has them. This team is one of the best teams in genshin. It's called the national team because everyone can use it. 4) Artifacts are based on luck since you farm them. Whales can technically farm more but not by a significant Margin. There is a time gated system called resin but whales are also gated from buying too many of them and it's honestly more of a convenience thing than an advantage thing.
Felt like a retell of the mentioned whaling video. And I'm pretty sure Genshin was picked for its popularity, not because it includes most points mentioned. Fine to watch video on live stream but... Lets just say, I usually watch the original video (if I liked it on reaction vid), not happening this time.
People just don't have self Control. Playing Genshin Impact since release and did not spend a dime for Rolls and i have every Charakter i want and i still have enough currency do get all the others i want that come out in the Future.
Kinda disagree with many points here: 1) How to tell you know nothing about Genshin: ZL sold more bc of meta lmao. The char with the biggest outrage ever (even up to now) about his power level was bought bc of meta, sure. 2) There's only one real currency in Genshin - primogems. Literally everything else doesn't matter, action chain from the video doesn't make any sense, it's like saying you get euros to buy dollars to convert into cents, like wtf. 3) You don't need to buy 60 packs in Genshin for a chance of a skin, you just buy it directly. 4) WTF is that Chongyun-Beidou example. Is it just the first chars he searched? It's so absurd and far from reality I bet he never played at all. Althought I do think they could do better balancing (especially with geo element) and different QoL things, and ofc all that money doesn't come without manipulations. But a lie is a lie, come on guys.
that's because the guy did the video didn't even play the game, clearly just there to ride the algorithm. Even asmon has better educated opinion than this guy is.
For me as Genshin player and also played a lot of not p2w games such as PoE, I think the core of the video is true and realistic. In comparison, Genshin does have those ideas implemented to trick players to spend money, nothing doubt about it, this significants includes, resin(time gated farming), Event Banner (time limited character pull), Promoting social media (which is happening), Primogems to Pulling conversion (you look at you have thousands of primos but just realize it just worth a few pulls), dailies (to keep players log in), skins (slowly being published), constellations (more opportunies to buy something) and general gambling style of GETTing stuff. META change is also happening (explain later). Luckly, the better thing of Genshin is that the system designed in a much softer approaches, this including: no leader board (softer competitive aggression), Two step conversions currency (easier to calculated), Actual Gameplay to get rewards (exploration stories and puzzle, you may not like it, but you actually will engage the gameplays), Much less noticable shop menu, Promoting selling through stories (actually nice character designs and background lores), actually nicely designed stories, music, exploration areas (can see some affords not being "cheap") and much softer META changes. To expend on META changes, I would say there is META changes (some environemnts of abyss promote pryo team and some promote cryo teams), BUT it is soften because 1. GENSHIN has some baseline flexible characters that will provide baseline solutions to META and they are easy to obtain (Xingqiu Xiangling Bennett etc.). I also believe this is design on purpose to have those characters as a global solutions and also provide baseline structure of any teams. 2. the META change is not unsolvable by countered characteres or weaker characters. I also think GENSHIN is not design the way of MMO, but some people might tricked by the dailies to log in everyday and feel bored quickly. I am glad there is not significant endgame since a MMO style of endgame required constant difficulty increase paired with increasing rewards feedback, which I believe increases the chance of powercreep and aggressive META switches. I think Genshin is fine as long as the big patch coming consistantly and even more frequently. We really should treat it as a singleplayer games and I do think the contents of Genshin is not "cheap" as some people think. Add to endgame, I think a traditional risk-reward endgame is really a cheap design if not designed well (there are some well-designed endgames but a lot of endgame for Gatcha games are very "cheap"). Imaging, Genshin could put a PVP as a endgame, however, how is the affords to compared with design a whole new area music and stories? Some people might be less interested in stories and explorations, but it does not mean it is cheap to do. You can put a low effort endgame system to provide so-called replayabilities or you could design a new concept in visuals and areas constantly. I am not sure which one people really want. However, in the end, I want to say... probably humanity needs to envolve somehow. I do not really like the GATCHA aspect of Genshin in any direction. I hope there is a solution to the Gambling situation in the games. Remember companies still need to survive by competing with others, they need to make money for it and this is the core reason why more company considers this type of monetization, because people actually spend money for it.............. I bought some pulles myself so I cannot judge too much on others, but I recommend to treat GATCHA as a fix investment buying. Always count the worse case cost and calculated how much it should spend (one character 4 packs of money (if no pity saves)). and see if it is worth it or you can afford it. Remember it is the REAL price of a character, any extra left is just a bonus of chance nothing more.
Genshin impact is the only game that combines brothel and Casino perfectly. No one ask you to pay when you go to brothel or Casino, but still a lot people addicted to these places. From video game perspective, Genshin impact is a game with sallow story and stupid level designs. Playing it just wasting life.
@@user-gb7wf6if9v Very strong opinions. In the case of "playing it just wasting life", I could imagine the cases where whether you did not play it or you have already "wasted some life".
@@user-gb7wf6if9v True True. But one additional things I want to mention is that F2P not equal to Cash grab also not equal to Lazy developed. Also art is subjective. Compliment the good and criticize the bad. Even they could be inside one identity.
@@weiminzhao930 I agree not all f2p games are cash grabs. I need to correct 'all gacha games are cash grabs' Genshin impact definitely a cash garb & super lazy development First I want to talk about lazy development. Genshin impact spent 200 milion dollar in development which is 3× more than a modern 3a games, about 8 to 10 times more than a JACT games, more than all fromsoft souls games combined. With such cost, despite China have the cheapest art assets and concept art workforce, mihoyo till manage to make a game that 10 years behind the gaming industry. The story telling and quest designs also super lazy. They have more than 5 years time and still screwed up this part. Unity engine is known for easy to use, but the game still have so many optimize issues. Second, the reason Genshin impact is cash grabs. The game is a gatcha game. Most f2p game can make profit by selling skins or by selling game subscription and still being free (such as eve online) Gacha mechanic is the manifest of incapability of game balancing. It shows a game designer unable to design a level to be fun and challenge and force you to use money to be the difficulty slider. Finally, art is object opinion, BUT LAZY ART IS ALWAYS BAD. Genshin impact is one of them. It's like you looking at some poorly made NFT art, anyone with braincell knows it's bad. Good game will stick within your mind for years, but playing geshin will only makes you regret, regret why wasting life on sush repetitive, soulless game.
Man that video is old when I saw that graphic on the character revenue... Raiden Shogun probably made half a billion dollars on her first banner alone! Her Chinese revenue was $22mil if memory serves
Prediction: all video games on all platforms will eventually be reduced to contributing to the degeneration of a segment of the human race, and calling them games will just be a nod to a bygone era.
genshin is truly the exception imo. i have play other gacha game, some of them have generous free premium currency but not enough content to keep me playing. some of them have hard end game content that is impossible to solo, its disgusting. genshin have nail the balance between delivering enough content to keep player stays but not too hard that it is not soloable.
+meta in genshin is 4* mostly + it's PVE and at end game you and a whale can do what you want in 5 minutes that's it. It doesn't matter if you whale unless you want bigger numbers that is much higher than enemies Hp poll
just a correction to not spread misinformation, in genshin u have like 2 currencies that are needed for getting new characters aka gacha for characters ... its Genesis crystals and Primogems ... now Genesis Cristals u can obtain by only buying them with real money ..u can convert them into 160 Genesis Crystals = 160 Primogems = 1 Pull, 10 pulls u get guarantied 4 star or more if u are lucky - Promogems (u get Promogems from playing the game u dont have to buy necessary, just save up) - character level up material bundles (u dont really need this u can just farm the stuff) - buy skins (if u want lol) - refill stamina or "resin" as its called in genshin (if u are a meta player, and want to level up in the speed of light lol, u dont need this to beat the game tho) Now Primogems u can convert into 2 types (Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate) for gachaing in a few different banners .. the thing is tho u dont have to convert Primogems into this 2 ... every roll in banners costs u the same amount of Primogems aka 160 Primogems for 1 roll ... why u still need to know about Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate? is because the game rewards u with this currencies from events you take part in or from exploring the world or leveling up characters ... so its good to know about them cause they can be used to gacha but they limit ur choices in banners to gacha on, they still free so thats nice Now Promogems u can also obtain by playing the game, exploring, doing events and stuff, usually they are not much but u still can get many characters ... its just if u want to get the character u want u need to save up and usually u can get a 5 star every update or more if u are lucky more then one 5 star character After u have thrown the Promogems u collected into the banners aka gachaed them away u get Stardust as an exchange ... there are 2 types: Stardust from 3 star stuff u gacha and Stardust from 4 and 5 star stuff u gacha, u can only use this Stardusts in the shop, sometimes u can even buy more Fates with them to gacha a few more times or even be able to buy 4 star characters from the shop ... now u dont really need anything from the shop ..there is nothing very important u really need from it ... i sometimes use the Stardust i collected to buy that mob drop i am to lazy to collect lol ... so in conclusion wat the streamer said about the game having many currencies i would say there is only the mentioned 2 Genesis Crystals and Primogems ...u dont have to buy any of them and still have a pretty bad ass account ..its a matter of patience with commitment ..everything u need to play the game u can collect and save up for ... all the other currencies u might see in the game like Mora (gold coins) or whatever else, u can collect all of this via playing the game ... if u run out of the other currencies u just farm for it 2 days in a row aka use ur resin for that ...next time u run out of level up material well guess what u farm that the next 2 days ... u log in, spend ur resin for the materials u need, maybe explore a bit collet a few Primogems, do ur daily 4 commissions that dont last 3 mins and log out lol ... i have to say tho this is not a game for people with gambling problems or impatient people that cant wait for their resin to refill. If u played the game for a while its easy to get into the groove where u have the downtime of an update, u finished most of that updates content and u are just log in to farm and save for the next character so when u get the character u can level them immediately without needing to buy extra stuff ... i didnt intent to make this an essay but here i am lol ..well .... fellow Genshin players correct me if i messed up with the info, i shall correct it later ... just play the game kid sir and see for urself
Genshin is a bad example for this, all you can buy with the premium currency are a few skins which theres has only been 6 released in almost 2 years beeing out and 3 of them were freebies from events, and a few bundles that dont give you anything special aside from a few resources. The other stuff he mentioned about currencies is false and stupid. So all you really do with those is exchange them for primogems which is used for pulls/wishes but are obtainable just by playing the game. You can clear any content in the game as a f2p, there is no pvp and you can get characters you really want just by playing and saving for them. Theres not even a need to spend money it just takes a little longer to get there. The Main issue i see is that there to many greedy morons that want every single character and want to max out everything, even though its completely unnecessary. And sure Fomo is a thing, but thats about it. Its way more f2p friendly and the gacha is a lot fairer than in most games of the genre. These types of games are meant to be played for a long period of time and making decisions on what you really want or need, you have to be selective about that, so dont expect to get everything thrown in your way. You can only play 4 characters at a time anyways, 8 if we talk about Abyss the basically hardest content in the game, theres not even a need to get that many characters.
I agree. The general points he's trying to make are good, but Genshin was probably one of the worst examples he could have chosen. He's just bullshitting and trying to squeeze Genshin Impact into his narrative and it annoys me. For example the currency system, that was just full of so much bullshit and is completely wrong.
@@brassbat Getting every single 5 star limited character is not possible through F2P. I mean with sheer luck it may be possible if you win every 50/50, but realistically a F2P account will be missing a few characters. The amount of primogems obtained through F2P doesn't cover every single summoning session
@@army128 ofc it doesnt BUT f2p always save for months, in every game, in life, in everything xD you save til you can get it, of course some people are weak and choose to buy packs every banner but hey, they are a minority, all players know that you have to save enough to reach pity (or guarantee a char in his rerun)
@@Zydico Yea, his talking about currency was utterly bs, GI currency is pretty easy to understand i even had more problems understanding currencies of some games without micro transactions lol.
honestly i have been the whale in many games and i dont even stay playing them because it gets so boring because the game at its base is just bad but improvements temporarily is what excited me i really wanna thank watching asmongold and him on this movement of awareness that i was ultimately able to change for the better i stopped giving in these games are so bad and to make worthwhile gotta pay but even then game still garbage thank you asmon for opening my eyes and letting go of a bad habit and cycle
I honestly feel privileged that I was able to play video games from that 1990 to 2010 era before everything started getting hyper monetized and the quality of games for the most part has decreased. I’m look at what my kids and nephews and nieces go through when they play some of these games are and they generally lose interest after like 10 minutes because we won’t pay for any of the in game currency bullshit.
The thing I dislike the most about the outlook and analyses of mobile/gacha games, as much as I agree that they stink and it sucks how they're the future... Indie games and big single player games without monetisation exist. You say you feel privileged to play video games from 1990 to 2010, but we still have games like Xenoblade, BotD, Elden Ring, Dead Cells, Terraria, so on and so forth being released, as Asmon said "they will always exist". I think the overarching commonality where the monetization does become an issue, however, is anything PvP-related, with the half-exception of fighting games. I would personally be more attentive and anal about my children playing anything PvP or MMORPG F2P, as the incentive to buy skins and whatnot would likely develop in them a habit. But... to conclude, I think the blame is largely based on F2P games, with exceptions such as the sports 2K games. Generally, parents wouldn't want their children to pay money, so they would naturally incline towards Free games, proven with myself as a Grand Chase and Elsword player from back in the day. It would likely be more financially stable to just buy the "big massive content but $60 game" while also warning and teaching the dangers of playing with probabilities.
Visual quality has gone up, and mechanics have gotten trickier, but substance and stability have waned a lot. There have been a lot of QOL upgrades, but at the cost of immersion I think.
Genshin Gacha implementation is pretty tame compare to other game. You can legit can get away with only using free roll, i know i did. You only roll because you want the character and the weapons. Sure you can say its "P2W" but it kinda doesn't. Sure whales can clear harder content easier, but you can also do it with strategies and decent artifact. You also get the benefit from the whale since you clear content faster, and there is not really an incentive for you to be better than anybody, since there is no leaderboard or ranking system. Its honestly a pretty healthy system that i wouldn't mind spending a couple of bucks for a limited character banner (maybe, since i would like to keep myself f2p)
the problem with battle passes is that they are inserted in a micro transaction environment that makes you want to spend all time, and battle passes make you also spend alot of time DAILY on that game. Then there comes the touche. If you spend alot of time EVERYDAY on the game because you will lose something that you paid for, you get more suscetible to spend more on the game..... "lets sell this battlepass, tell them its the best benefit and make them drop their wallet on our other packages. marketeers, please elaborate the MOST EPIC offers and lets get rich"
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp Well from what I've seen in the comments he didn't get a 5 star in his first 30 pulls so he uninstalled instantly. So yeah one of those people.
Honestly I've played Genshin for 2 years now and I have only spent 5 pound per month as the subscription fee... I can't feel for those idiodic whales, its not psychological warfare, its just people being stupid.
@@reychua7538 5 per month? That's 1/3rd the amount most people spend on MMOs, hell it's 1/8th of the amount most people likely spend on coffee, or a hobby they enjoy. Calling someone a ""whale"" which usually means spending exorbitant amounts of cash because they toss a bit towards a game they like is pretty stupid.
@@xdkankaxd5427 For how much content it delivered in 2 years, its worth it. Compare to other subscription based games like wow and ff14, its a way better.
Genshin is not even THAT predatory, like AT ALL. 4* characters are enough to clear the game, and Mihoyo gives you enough in-game currency every month that you can save for your favourite characters. That guy is tripping. LOL people spend money on it because they like certain characters, and it's your decision whether you want to spend money on it or not. Blame yourself for being a gambler, not the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All the more reason to buy traditional RPG games like Elden Ring and Persona. Don't give your money to the companies that are turning gaming into gambling.
U dont understand 😂 from looking from the outside obviously If you actually would play the games and get attached to the story and characters then you would maybe understand lol
dude has clearly never played genshin. there are only 2 cash tokens the crystals and the primos and they are a 1:1 trade. the crystals themselves can be used to buy certain items and packages in the store, once you convert them to primos they are used to buy wishes..1 wish is 1 roll everything else he has said is utter BS...and a lot of ppl hating on this game don't mention the fact that they give away a ton of primos all the time through achievements/in game events/finding chests and solving puzzles/released codes/also spiral abyss... every major update you get 600 primos just for needing to wait for the game to patch... as far as a gatcha game this one gives away a ton of stuff...all the other tokens the guy mentioned are earned in game except for the stardust/glitter which you earn from the wishes and can be used to buy more wishes or other items/chars... on a side note they have events that give away mid and top tier chars every so often...the game is not as bad as ppl make it out to be...if you are spending more money than you should be that's on the player... that being said gamble boxes need to be stopped...or we will get more diablo immortal games
TRUE, That vid was absolutely awful I am completely f2p and only AR 56 and can already 36 star the abyss with zero effort with a whole entire minute left on the timer. He also fails to mention that the most OP characters are 4 stars (Bennett, Xingqui,Xiangling,Sucrose), Also he is incredibly wrong on the powercreep, Genshin is one of the few Gacha games with no power creep for example Ayato didn't powercreep tartaglia and yoimyia never powercrept Hu Tao and Yelan didn't powercreep Xingqui. Genshin is one of the most F2P friendly gacha games out there and it doesn't have powercreep. Overall terrible video and he defiantly overplayed the whole currency thing
Genshin not mmorpg, most the time you play alone like elden ring and the game is easy enough to completely ignore the meta. To me genshin just some chill,discover game like breath of the wild.
I play genshin as a f2p, and I have NOTHING to say to defend the gacha system... the only thing I can say is that there are other games that are worst... and that's not a good thing. I just play because genshin is a good game.
I was f2p on release and made it basically to the end of the game where it told me to wait on expansions and got a total of 0 5 star characters and a shitty 5 star book. Maybe it's better now but God was it not f2p friendly in terms of collecting. Literally made it to the end with the base character on my team.
@@Unknownz000 F2P, been playing (very casually) since around a year ago, and I have like 7 5-star characters, 1 5-star weapon, and a ton of good high levelled 4-stars, and that's with me being rather unlucky. Release was a bit shaky due to the lack of content / characters, but the sheer amount to work through and the premium currency given away like candy makes it worth getting back into, especially since they've just released the 4th major continent.
I enjoy so much your reactions videos! I love the Nasuverse that is why I started playing FGO 4 years ago for the story and I haven't spent any money on the game, It is difficult because I like so many characters but with the expirience of the game's low odds I save for two years for the meta character and spend money on phisical games that don't require internet, micro transactions, etc.
my response to the conversation about high level players vs casual players i think there is intermingling between these in a lot of games for example i personally play most games i enjoy at a pretty high level if not very high level, but i still enjoy playing with casuals sometimes, teaching new people, and just having fun with people who dont expect me as well as me expecting myself to perform perfectly and something that ties into this is games with like cosmetic rewards or other rewards for high lvl pvp/pve being able to distinguish urself in a game for working hard and being better is a good feeling, anyone who doesnt admit that is in denial, and even casuals like im not saying that its just cool to flex on casuals but some people get excited and dream of having those things themselves and it facilitates a goal for the next generation of high level gamers
Aside from all the small problems that can be discussed about the game, if the actual question is “is genshin pay to win?” Than no. And it doesn’t crop whit all the others “fake f2p” because the values system works as a double compensation (there are 2 values to pool because there are 2 banners, one that is constant and 2 that cycle every 2 weeks whit higher possibilities for certain characters) so when you pool from one of this, everything that you pool gives you the single reward and a certain amount of another value that you can accumulate to exchange them back in wishes value, and then there is the standard value that you use in the game. Other than this you can find a lot of the value to gain wishes just by doing things in game, be it exploration, combat, challenges or leveling up, and there is always at least 2 events goong on that gives you that value, and finally, whit periodical redeem codes because of web events or updates and a pity system that is easy to manipulate. Whit all this things mixed together whit a normal amount of farming and attention that is even less than normal for this type of game, at the end of the week/month you’ll have enough of wishes that you need to have all that you want when it comes about in the cycling banner whit the augmented probabilities. All of this obviously implies the fact that the gatcha is still gatcha and that one must not just throw wishes whitout thinking, but still, the game doesn’t FEELS like you NEED to have certain characters or weapons, and you most certainly doesn’t actually have to. I think that the great thing of this game as a gatcha is that if you pool, you do it because of an idea of “theory crafting” or just because you like the character, as you encounter and know all of them in game, and not because you fell you need this or that character otherwise you wont probably be able to beat some of the content.
The video is hella outdated and the guy is pretty cringe, cause he doesn't know shit and it shows so many times lmao. Like, genshin HAS guarantees, so yes, if you're very impatient you can pay more and get what you want (or you can learn to save up and get the same result) There's zero powercreep in genshin. Units (4* too) that were meta in the beginning like Bennett, Xingqiu or Xiangling STAY RELEVANT. Kazuha who was released a year ago is still a top tier support. Zhongli, Ganyu, Hutao - literally anyone is still relevant. The game is balanced.
As a player who never paid a single cent into any mobile game ever (I've played like 7 gacha game in total), I've completed full star on Genshin's so called end game content (abyss) without paying a single cent. If that doesn't tell you it's not p2w, idk what will. There's no PvP in the game so no rush for leaderboard, play at your own pace, if FOMO got you hooked and desperate to become p2w then like what he said, it's your fault too. The game gives you option, and YOU choose it. Don't act like a victim.
@@epicgamersvv1582 if there is any in game advantage purchasable with real money it's p2w. People have just gotten used to a certain level of exploitation so hey now defending it because it isn't "as bad" as even more exploitative games. Pay to skip Is still pay to win, any advantage gained with real money is p2w.
@@benito1620 Whats the advantage? i can kill a PvE mob faster? that is just ego boosting and nothing else, its completely meaningless to spend money on a non competitive game unless you just want to collect characters.
The amount of people trying to justify the "free-to-play" gacha as a lesson for moderation (rather than what it actually is: a psychological manipulation for compulsion and conformist behavior) in the comments is just disgusting.
Been playing idle angels for 3.5+ years and and attack on time for 2+. the reason i play these is because you can actually get a decent amount of the resources for getting and leveling characters if you know how to play the game. Alot of gacha's will hardly give you any pulls after the few you get at the start to draw you in to buying more. i usually ever pay for in games is cosmetics.
To be honest picking Genshin to make and example for bad Gacha is done soley for the clicks, not for the argument. Genshin does give you the opportunity to spend near infinite money on somewhat randomized content and considering the people vunerable for these kind of stuff it sure deservse all the criticism. However Genshin is also always fair/transparent in what you buy and what it will or will not get you. While there are a handfull of currencys they all serve a clear purpose other than clouding your vision, and on Pulling the game actively removes them for you. You buy 1600 > you do a 10-pull. No other steps involved. So any complaining beyond that is just overdramatic misinformation for uneducated viewers tbh. Also noone I know treats the gacha as... gacha beyond the 4*. 5* comes with pitty and you better win that coinflip, thats it. So yeah, Genshin is pretty bad example to pick when talking about predatory gacha games, quite the opposite actually. And this guy Atrioc, clearly never played it.
You can even test out the characters before you go rolling (which, also has a guarantee) and a lot of the time the way the character is built in the trial makes them worse than they actually are.
It still is aggregious. There are less aggressive gatcha games, but there are also ones who are much more aggregious compared to Genshin. And it is still really good example for people that aren't familiar with gatcha games, as it shows how it works for one of most successful mobile game in last year or two.
@@friendlydragon1161 I mean, eventhough they arent build perfectly ist it's still fun to play them and makes you wish for them, too... Genshin gives you a lot of free stuff so you get a taste of what it's like to pull for characters and even get some 5* ones. If you get really invested in the game you are more likely to spend money on it. The game does everything with profit in mind and thats also actually making a decent game. The game is fun and that gives them more money too. Genshin is the pinnacle of gacha games which doesn't mean you can't play or enjoy it but defending it is kinda, eh.
So a few things; yes genshin is for clicks, but because it is popular it is still by far the best choice to illustrate some points even if not applicable to a problematic extent within genshin itself. If you played at launch, you would have seen many many people didnt understand pity, currencies(pulling wrong banner or farming wrong things), didnt understand how banners work etc-- and so just by existing, (even with good informative in game text) these systems brought up in the video did start off at the expense of random new people to the genre. The community itself is what quickly educated the general player base to see the do-s and don't-s of gacha and reveal how genshin does better than others/what to expect/how to not play yourself. As a general education on gacha-design this video does its job. It initially keeps to one well known and documented example for viewer retention and shows where several gacha-techniques are applied. The video is not to discuss to what extent in the game the gacha-techniques are/aren't problematic as that is something specific to each game and the video is teaching the general ideas.
@@NotSkander You're right about the videos doing decent job on informing viewers about some the schemes going on in game montization. But bashing on the one that puts game before monetization for a change and therefore is hella succesfull just makes it alot less trustworthy in my eyes. In general it's a really surface level introduction with little more research done other than watching the famous gacha talk.
I just wish the reality was that when you buy a battle pass or spend any money on a game beyond the initial purchase was that you are funding the game so it can improve and become a better version of itself. Not so you can buy devs new cars and boats and houses they'd only use occasionally because they don't actually need them. But I'm just some guy on the internet with an unfathomable dream.
actually new 5 stars in genshin aren´t op, but the reason for this is, that they release a lot less characters in genshin then other gachas, therefor they make a lot of money with reruns, making newer units stronger then older ones would mean that people would never pick up rerun character and genshin tries to get new whales all the time. So what they do is change the endgame to always favour the curent banner character that way you always want the character on banner, but on neutral space most limited 5 star are close to each other on power level
Genshin is not pay to win. It can be expensive to get the units you want because you are gambling on getting the unit before the pity (I hate this word) kicks in. In the 2 years it has been around, the power creep has been kept to a bare minimum. The endgame content can be completed in 15 to 45 minutes every 2 weeks, and while it favors the new units, it's not so skewed that older units can't compete. A buff for the new unit in endgame is also a buff for older units that utilize similar mechanics. There are no leaderboards or ladders. You're only competing with yourself. Every unit is acceptably playable and can clear endgame content if you're willing to invest your time (not money but time) into the character. Free-to-play streamer Enviosity consistently fully clears endgame with the 7 characters the game gives you for free. Genshin is pay for options in how you play, not pay to win.
Some people might see this as a bad take but I don't actually see gatcha as gambling because there is a guarantee of getting what you want at a certain point. Getting the character before pity is just good luck, but not expected.
The brain sees it as gambling. Like literally responds to gacha in the same way as a slot machine. So the same potential for harmful addiction is there. The crackdown is coming.
Which is a bad take. The thing with gambling is that it’s not only limited to spending money to win money. It’s spending money AT THE CHANCE of receiving SOMETHING OF VALUE TO THE INDIVIDUAL in return. That is the true definition of gambling. The biggest keyword here is CHANCE. I play gachas too and genuinely enjoy it but let’s pretend it’s not gambling. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, you can be sure it’s a duck. That means that those 25 cent toy dispenser machines (aka Gachapons in Japan) are also a form of gambling. Those children games at the arcade that have a prize-also gambling.
@@TacticalDimples i agree with your comment, but i think you misunderstood the original poster, he said that he doesnt consider genshin gambling because after enough wishes, you get the character 100%, not spending money to win money.
Really hate loot boxes too. I just want to have that specific item/esthetics in a fixed amount so I won't feel bad having to spend that money on it because I know everyone who has it spent the same.
Genshin has guaranteed system. You are guaranteed to get the character you want within 180 pulls. It’s not endless spending if you know what the limit is.
There is always a complete new banner heroe with a slighly better kit kool design and new different style n animations 😂 So ur pretty delusional to say that the majority of players wont wanna pull or spend to get the newest shiny object of desire their Husbando Waifu 🤣💦
This video actually helped me realize I'm an achiever whale. I really do fork over money for convenience. Just 1 dollar won't hurt and it will make things go by faster. Hey where is all of my money? I see how I need to be more careful not to fall for it.
As a long time gacha game player, I can say this guy has no idea what difference between every gacha game and how it can make player (especially f2p) plan ahead should they play the game or not. When we talk about gacha games, whale or not, first we look at how pity system works. many says these kind of games has no "price tag" on what you buy, hence its gamble and cost you much more than you'd expected which I quite disagree on this because most of player who (decided) to play these games took "pity system" as "price tag" for each character/weapon they aim for. to be honest I find it in gray area of gambling because its not like those casino gamble that never guarantee you anything and it never ends... pity system clearly tell you reward is there once you hit XXX rolls which can be translate to "how much $$$ you gonna spend". you just need math and calculator to check how deep money sink you're into. of course, a single character/weapon that might cost 350$ (maximum pity+no luck, 350$x7 if maxout character in genshin for example) can be super F-ing expensive for so many people. yet it doesn't mean you're going to pay at maximum price all the time because you can be "lucky" sometime, especially genshin had hidden gacha mechanic that after 70 rolls (out of 90 pity) you can get SSR much easier each roll until you hit first pity which will 50/50 between banner SSR/non-banner SSR. If you lose 50/50 the first time ? next time you're guaranteed to get that banner SSR within next 90 rolls (70 rolls+ more chance mechanic still works). with these in mind you can see the ceiling of money you gonna spend there so that you can manage your free resources (which you get in game) and your wallet to plan ahead of whats coming to you (skip it or all-in) Fate Grand Order (aka. the endless pit) never had pity/ceiling system until recently update. the newly added system aren't kind to your wallet either, as you will get only 1 SSR guaranteed within 300+30 rolls (900 gems which is 500$+ at maximum to get single character (need 5 to maxout) but guess what, if you can get ONE with in 300+30 rolls the pity system will be "REMOVED" entirely from that banner. which means whale who want to max out (need 4 more) will have to pull a non-ceiling/pity until they can get all of them. unlike Genshin, FGO pity also aren't carry-over to next banner so you have to do 300+30 within banner time period as well or else it will be removed entirely once next banner hit. F2P will also took at least half year to collect 900 gems. only good thing from this game gacha is that SSR rate is 1% which is still sucks (most of games these days including Genshin is 0.5%) Some other gacha games approach with different pity system. for example, giving you gacha token for each roll you did (no matter you get SSR or not) and you can "exchange" for banner SSR at shop but you'll be need like 100-300 tokens to exchange for one (rate are different between games). although these type of pity system might look safer but actually the "price tag" for 300 rolls is much more expansive that any games that has limit 70-90 pity rolls if at worst case you don't get any SSR within that 300. afaik, Tower of Fantasy took all these pity system into their game. they have ceiling pity, token pity, non-remove pity if hit SSR and so on and use them to appeal for drawing in gacha game players. doesn't matter if the game is good or bad. if pity system is "kind" enough, gacha game players will at least try it for sure. the difference of these gacha pity system will effects f2p players as well as they can manage and plan for their limitted resources. If the game is "kind" enough with pity system and given f2p many resources for gacha during their playtime, it will able to drawn more f2p players to try the game which some might turn to dolphin, whale and so on. In opposite, if the game took monetization super seriously (ahem, Diablo Immortal) and make high wall between f2p players and whales.... hell no, f2p or even whales (except for few one) from other games aren't going to play (or pay) it anyway just by hearing how bad monetization and pity system it goes.
The pity difference in games is huge The reason i like Genshin compared to other gacha games is that I am not annoyed to enter the shop daily for rewards or claim claim buttons 50+ a day. Half the other mobile games are turn based menu simulators as well. I don't follow FGO which I know didn't have a pity before but now it does. Now I am more informed about how shitty their pity system. It's an improvement but not much better I see
you ignore the fact that it's not necessary to max out a character in FGO unlike genshin, which you need 6 copies to get the full potential of your character genshin.
@@kuro_emiya in before, yes you're right. but now with append skill system for each servants you're required to get dupe of them because even with max bond there are not enough token to upgradess all skill and character max level as to bring out "full potential" like you said. if you're going to say append skills are not neccessary then its same goes to genshin character that C6 are not necessary because all characters are playable at C0 and the difference between C0 to C6 are just QoL or damage on some character but will not exceeding or more than 40% of damage increased iirc.
U notice the pity system is part of the predatory system right? By having a pity system, it forces players to spend to reach that pity system. It gives players the feeling that they aren’t wasting anything bcuz the pity system saves them. It gives players the relief with that pity system getting them to play more and pay a certain amount each time. Genshin is worse even with the pity system bcuz they barely give u gems. Genshin is infamous for the terrible anniversary gifts. I would rather play a game like Dragon Ball Dokkan bcuz they give u more than 200 pulls a month for free, compared to Genshin where u have to “save up”. Ur already trapped in the mind break.
@@chikobit3204 I'm agree with you that pity system is kinda FOMO for player who choose to pay. however I'm quite disagree on "forces player to pay" because that depends on how bad the wall between p2w and whale which difference in each games. If the game if f2p friendly they actually don't even need SSR to clear content (not talking about convenient or QoL). but in a game that powercreeps are heavy, or having PVP the FOMO for getting meta characters are strong and that will be like everything you said. I'm even skipped some characters on Genshin until they rerun (I'll just pull for my damn perfectionist collect-them-all sake if I have enough primogems at the time) because I can handle the content just fine without them. powercreep aren't change meta that fast in this one year. I'm not defending Genshin or anything. I'm just talking about my experience playing many gacha games. I did main FGO while play Princess Connect:Redive, Granblue Fantasy, lot of DMM browser gacha games since before Genshin came out. I play two accounts in Genshin (whale and f2p) and I can say Genshin is very f2p friendly that even meta support are full of SR instead of SSR. and that was enough to clear hardest content as spiral abyss. In FGO if you don't have god tier SSR caster (waver, arthuria, skadi) you're guaranteed to have horrible grind experiences in all content. whether its story progressing, even farming, mats grinding they'll took you more time and more sanity from you.
Genshin is an amazingly fun game even if you spend absolutely no money. You can complete the game and just about all of the content without making a single wish. But here's a trick you can use if you (or you kids) cannot resist spending money: Make your account on Playstation. (PS4/PS5). Then tie it to an email address for login purposes. You can then play the game on mobile or PC, but you will not be able to buy *anything* unless you do it on Playstation. Game will not allow any transactions unless they're done over PSN.
41:55 My first thought about the competing on skill thing was League. I feel like a lot of people that hate league hate it because in order to constantly win you have to be constantly better than the other players (although sometimes even that isn't enough) in champion skill, micro and macro, and general game knowledge. All this would require a ridiculous amount of time, where at that point you're no longer playing the game because its fun.
Honestly genshin is very F2P friendly, there's no leaderboards or PvP, you can still play the game with the free starter characters if u want. I've been playing since launch and never needed to spend any money unless some character skin comes out in the future that I want. The main reason why people spend money is cuz Hoyoverse makes the 5-star characters appealing with character trailers/demos and a story quest which often makes the character more likeable to people. Really the biggest thing you gotta spend on in genshin is your time
What gacha has taught me is how to be a casual gamer ,patience and moderation is key to life
I will follow this man.
true, gacha is still an evil practice in gaming, and if it keeps making them money then itll become industry standard
Spending money to beat it faster or become stronger is just cheating. Back in the day you would type a cheat code to get more health, money, run faster, get a better car, get more exp, et... Now you pay for it. Its like paying for red orbs in DMC or GOW, its just not fun, I don't undertand why people do it.
@@mateusleme2322 you're saying cheats are not fun.
@@gappyspins they aren't. cheats take the challenge out of whatever you're cheating in, thus taking out the reward of overcoming it
The thing is. there is no actually competition on genshin. There is no leaderboards, there is no PVP, and you have to go out of your way to do co-op. Its a single player game.
THIS... Asmon need to see this Comment
ok, that makes spending thousands of dollars even more pointless except to satisfy a gambling addiction.
@@crspy914 collecting favourite characters lmao
It's fun
Though you can do it without spending
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp yeah i've played genshin a bit and yes you can do it F2P, but for example - it took me about a month of casual 2-3 hours gaming per day (4/7 days) to get enough gems to do a 10 gem roll. it can be done but i would never catch up in any meaningful way. Collecting characters are fun for sure but they really slow you down in leveling each character since you need multiple of the same one.
@@crspy914 It's more satisfying to roll a character without using a credit card because the dopamine you will get when getting the character you want and having little to no rolls left is amazing.
Genshin is particularly complicated case. Free to play. You get all the characters you will really need to finish the game, including the hardest end game content. But you get individual character story quest to really get to know them. They feel like companions, not just banner characters.
With ToF, the only character I know of that has good character story so far is Nemesis, our banner girl. All other characters are not fleshed out properly by Genshin standard. In Genshin, even 4 stars get great backstory.
Yup its why I regret spending $ on ToF but I was so close to get Nemesis and didn't want to have that pulls go to waste. ToF is more predatory then genshin is.
@@Kuya5101
Good music and characters/biomes. Gameplaywise we have good combat and exploration.
Yeah, the popularity makes sense, it's a good game. And not saying it doesn't have problems (Like storytelling, etc) just that it's good.
@Matúš Martinec It’s honestly not an issue of could Genshin have been better but should Genshin be “better”.
Yes Genshin could have more complicated equipment, combat, even combos. But should it really? Would it really be more popular if it had a more complex combat system, if the had a much higher difficulty like dark souls?
My take is, I highly doubt it. I think Genshin is popular exactly because it’s simple. And it polished that simplicity to a quite high degree. Because it’s simple it also attracts people who haven’t played a lot of games before, people who want a more relaxed time while playing.
At the end of the day, hardcore gamers are still minority, and Genshin isn’t really catered towards them.
@Matúš Martinec Debatable only depending on opinion maybe. But nobody can objectively call it a bad game, that would just be based in bias
I feel Genshin has to be the most chill and most generous gacha game there is out there. How many gacha games force you to pvp against some whale to get your premium currency? Let's take one of the the worse ones like star wars galaxy of heroes made by EA for instance how if you want to make any progress you got to pay $300-$700 per character to be top in your pvp arena shard for a month or 2 but at the same time this is a constant requirement if you want to get anything back on this "investment" as the meta always power creeps to the very next thing all the time and if you don't keep up, you'll be eaten by the whales quickly. At least Genshin has little to nothing to do with the competitive stand point and most of your currency gained is just do dailies and weeklies and play the game. Spiral isn't that hard for anyone that played consistently since launch and even new players are beating it with undergeared rosters. Compared to a required "fee" for more pvp oriented gacha games to participate in events and arenas, I'd say Genshin has it way better off to perfectly fit the casual audience in a fair and balanced way. New units are not a requirement to play the game or compete and everything can be done with the base roster. Getting extra off of the free things given is just a bonus. I have no idea why anyone would ever consider Genshin to be awful compared to the likes of other predatory gacha games that more or less power creep to unfathomable levels where you have to keep buying every new unit or fall behind.
I actually think Genshin Impact is fairly conservative in most of these ways in comparison to everything else in the genre, and that's why I think it's so successful. They aren't constantly thrusting "offers" in your face, or "mysterious packages", or quite frankly anything. Nothing takes you out of the game. You have to manually go into the store yourself, and there isn't even that much to buy. In fact, the only thing worth buying is currency for wishes. And this is huge. There's a game to be played, a pretty good game actually, and they let you play it without pestering you.
actually this is very true like everyone likes watching some tv but not when it's shoved into your face every so minutes.
Yeah true...
Yeah, i agree
I love this. Even Honkai shoves the purchases in your face a lot more
yup, also 1 genesis crystal = 1 primogem, not saying it's perfect but it could be so much worse lol
@@michaelbuto305 you have no idea how many people are actually free to play, it's not a difficult game, there is no PvP, and no need for the best weapons and characters. Everyone knows the rates are a scam too, just watch people like tectone
The thing about Genshin is that you could make strategical decisions with the pity system even if you are F2P. There's no leaderboards, no pvp, no paywall, you can make those decisions solely on which character you like.
agree. right now i have 90k primogems.
with only the free primogems they give every version,
i can pull for new 5* until 3.8
most people will like the most op characters though
@@ronaldinhodoroblox2323 the good news is they really carefull when releasing new character not to powercreep the old one.
@@SappyTedjajuwana so basically they do the opposite of league of legends lmao, thats good
@@SappyTedjajuwanawell that not really, sure any character can do 99% of the game but the 1% (the abysse) asked some character (the "meta")
Didn't think the almighty Venti being played recently, Hutao crush the concurence in mono-dps (with great characters like with yelan-xingqiu and zhongli).
And only xiangling is better in Pyro as aeo dps with similar team (and more f2p friendly).
Ayaka for any froze team (only ganyu "melt team" could be better as a cryo dps)
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Lot of "ancient" characters are "creepblock" but are still strong but way less than new one.
Only new artefact set, new weapons or new characters could make them better (like every electro characters with dendro element).
most META defining characters in Genshin are 4* , some of them being in game since launch, u can clear hardest content in game with any unit, but u have to invest more time into farming for worse units, META in genshin just let's you save resources in game, tho it's gacha so of course it is predatory , but not really P2W , rather pay to have variety
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You gacha in genshin for 'want', and you 'need' less and less the more you play, unlike other gachas that breaks their own game with continuous huge powercreep so that their players would keep rolling the gacha to stay relevant.
You can earn currencies by just playing the game so you're not locked out from getting 5 star characters most F2P since day 1 have around 10-15 five stars correct me if I'm wrong.
@@roahnosh true, but since i'm min maxer i have more 5* weapons then 5* characters KEKW
That's cool bro but could you back it up with a source? Meta i genshin is big dmg number and I don't see many 4*s get higher dmg number than 5*s
Genshin has taught me that selfcontrol patience and moderation is all we need to move forward in game and in life .
And desiding between 2 options even if it hurts a little
Gacha games taught me to learn formulas in excel :D
This obfuscation thing is really something you need to fight from within.
Once you find out how many these games are really asking from you, it becomes so much easier to commune with yourself what your limits are.
Having to repeatedly spend 30$ in 10 days, because you're always coming up short? maybe, but if you calculate you're throwing away 300$ in one go? that may help set off alarm bells earlier.
Same, I just merely played for the story and fav characters, with 0 dollars spent btw
Oh so how to be responsible individual with your money and buy what you want not just blame it on your “addictions and compulsive spending” or whatever other cringe shit people say just do away with a micro transactions system that won’t go away
@@hoppergrass9425 Lol, WTF? If it's not addictive where does the compulsion to soend money come from? It's all fucking pyschological man, wake up. Nobody has an actual "need" to spend money, it's called a "want" for a reason. Some people are just better about realizing that and setting limits whereas others are highly susceptible. Like maybe nobody taught them moderation, or they grew up poor(er) and are overcompensating, etc....
@@Altair1243WAR Right all these games hire and use psychologists to manipulate absolutely nobody... Mind blowing. The brain isn't as smart and people arnt as in control of it as theyd like to be. We are still very primitive and technology is way ahead of our brains ability to control and process, especially for those in distressed emotional states that these games prey on. As well as children.
Genshin is pay-2-flex; your choice to invest doesn't impact others. You whale because you want everything for the character you are rolling for or you are farming sprial abyss clear times for tiktok views.
It does impact others if you can coop for dungeons and endgame bosses and are able to carry through those contents. So yes genshin impact is pay2flex but it's also still pay2win.
it does impact, it's p2w
i played genshin near release and also felt like it wasn’t that bad since there was a lot of stuff to do without any investment. Other games are much more forceful in getting you to interact with the gacha systems
And then rngesus snaps you back to reality that even if you whale you will tealise we meer mortals are no match for artifact rng
Well it is called Genshin "impact" for a reason
I think gacha genre is the first time it taught me to be patient and just forget about some things that aren't primarly needed. And I found myself to spend less money on battle passes in general too.
For Genshin's currencies:
Mora - Just your basic gold. Get it from quests, kills, domains, Leylines, etc.
Genesis Crystals - Paid only Currency
Primogems - Used to purchase Gacha pulls. Genesis can be traded for Primogems at a 1 to 1 rate so it's not any more confusing.
Fates - used to actually do the Gacha pulls. These can be purchased for 160 Primogems, and there are Rainbow ones and Blue ones. Both cost the same, and the only difference is that Rainbow is used to pull on time limited banners, Blue for the standard banner. They're earned just by playing too, from certain larger events that you can spend the points you earn during the event on.
Stardust - Obtained from Gacha pulls. Every 3-4 star you pull gives some Stardust, which can be used to purchase common crafting items, and monthly to purchase up to 5 each of the Rainbow/Blue Fates.
Starglitter - Obtained from Gacha pulls like Stardust, but only from 5-star pulls. Can be used to outright purchase rotating 4-star characters, or higher rarity crafting materials, as well as decent 4-star weapons, but never anything that's top of the line. Good, but outclassed often.
As far as remembering how much money you've actually spent on gacha pulls, it's as simple as remembering that 160 Genesis Crystals/Primogems = 1 Pull. It's still definitely got the obfuscation going on, but it's not as bad as some games I've seen. The only reason Genesis Crystals are separate from Primogems is that they're your "paid gems" rather than ones you can get for free, for the sake of purchasing skins that are paid only.
As for the "new characters are always better" bit, no, not true with Genshin. Some are, others aren't. One of the characters he used in his spread of 5 that made a ton of money in 1 day (the blonde boy) is... Actually pretty lackluster. And two of the highest rated units in the *entire game* are 4-star units that have been in the game since launch.
Even in skins department, only skins for 5 star characters are paid, the skins for 4 star characters can be unlocked if they're being released for the first time.
The only catch is you gotta be present for those events cause once they're gone, then you gotta spend to get them.
That's not the point. Idc if the game gives me 5 Bennett. I want to get Yoimiya. That's the f**ng point.
@@Vizible21 so? It's not very hard to get get her as F2P unless you're talking about C6 Yoimiya
@@Vizible21 you should've saved up pulls if you wanted her that bad lol, try to control yourself from your gacha addiction, I for one skipped 4 banners for a character I want. Raiden shogun C2 68,56,48 pity.
@@ArjentaSilverwing exactly, when I lost my 50/50 on Yae's banner, I didnt went ape shit and start charging more primo, I just accept it and maybe next time her banner come around, people just dont have self control.
In genshin rather than pay to win its pay for variety, make the game easier, and progress faster in getting endgame builds. Once you have one endgame team you can pretty much beat all content forever and not worry about gacha and that could be with the free starting characters. But genshin, and many of the other most successful gacha, are pay for your waifu/husbando to be as flashy as possible. A max 5* and max 5* weapon for a character will make them op but there isn't a single piece of content that can't also be cleared with free 4* characters and weapons that have good builds. It's more the convenience or simping aspect that draws players to spend since lack of PvP and lack of endgame that necessitates whaling doesn't exist.
can't even p2w, there's a resin block lol
@@orzdxy my friend pays primogem for resin, if I remember correctly it’s about 5 or 6 times a day, so yeah kinda p2w 😅
@@blueishgreen76 I hesitate to call it pay to skip in the same manner as other games with them as that’s really only the case when you first start the game. Once you 36* Abyss for the first time, ~9months of 20min/day f2p, the entire pay to skip aspect ceases to exist in terms of necessary progression for presumably the entire lifecycle of the game. The game starts with a high wall but if you climb it one time the predatory nature of necessary time gated vertical progression turns into entirely optional horizontal progression that’s player motivated.
Gacha is clearly predatory but Genshin is in a weird spot where the game is a pushover after your account can do abyss so actually spending money has no true benefit beside variety and reducing player effort. It’s one of the only gacha titles I’ve seen that has heavy power spikes locked behind it but those power spikes end up completely irrelevant for completing content. Yet it manages to consistently be the highest grossing gacha game with a gacha that ignores the entire concept of necessary power the business model was established on.
Genshin Impact is not pay to "win", because there's simply nothing to win, there are no PVP or any other competitions in PVE, what do you actually win? The point is that, unlike diablo immortal, you can still have decent gaming experience as a FTP player.
Agreed 100% a lot of the points he makes are straight up false, there isn't even that many types of currencies, I have been playing the game for over a year not a dime spent and I would never do it otherwise, it's a lot more fulfilling when I actually win something and I'm not a fucking child so I don't fall for their tricks
@@CrustedPork It's also mean there is ZERO reason to spend either.
@@EarlZero0 there is alot of currency. If you compare to some older gacha , they only have 1 premium currency. While i agree some of the point doesnt apply to genshin, it applies to other gacha game
@@CrustedPork thats for you to decide wheter you want to spend or not, i have a welkin/bp account and a f2p account you only need to be more careful when pulling on characters but i would say my f2p is almost as strong as my bp/welkin account because i spent my primogems more wisely.
@@aikentang there's only 2 currencies (four if you add "Gold" and "Energy), the rest CANT be bought with money, so they should be classified as tokens as theyre not purchasable
The currencies in genshin impact are far more straightforward than tower of fantasy. That would have been a better example in this video
atrioc release this video months ago
tower of phantasy did not exist when this video was made
Clueless gamer they are all the same
Atleast TOF has end game. Omegalul
Bdcause it's a game for children. You have to make it simple so children can gamble with their parents credit card.
The two incorrect things about genshin.
1. There are only two levels between spending money and pulling. Credit Card -> Gensis Crystals (exclusive cash premium currency) -> Primogems (normal premium currency) -> Pulling. However, it is important to note that 1 genesis crystal is equal to 1 primogem, and not some messy thing like 1 genesis crystal to 1.69 primogems. The separation between the gensis crystals and primogems is done so that skins are only obtainable through putting money into the game, otherwise there is no difference. The different currencies mentioned in the video apart from genesis crystals and primogems are basically currency you get after you pull which give you more pulls (pulling a 5* gets you one more pull basically)
2. There is almost a reverse powecreep style to the game. The longer the game goes, the more balanced the characters are made. For example, the characters made at the start of the game were made without balance in mind as much, thus still make up over 50% of the meta as they ended up being broken. People were literally questioning on whether to pull a new 5* because she did barely better than first patch 4* (talking about yelan and xinqiu).
Yup, but people like Asmon who have never played the game don't understand. Nor do people like the guy who made the video understand.
I'm free to play and primogems are very generously given in-game. It's also pretty much just a singleplayer game, there is no need to actually get better characters if you just want to play the game free.
Me as genshin f2p, no money spent. Earning primogems from events and dailies are most fun. I'm more a hardcore character collector and I'm happy to get most 5 Star characters I wanted with no constellations. 🥰🥰
@@JayceCH. and you forgot saying Husbandos. lol
I'm just playing the game as is and gain event 5 stars I wanted.
But you said bragging, no. That's just big oof to you.
@@JayceCH. I mean, if you enjoy the game, fuck it mate. Why the hell would I care? It's not like I'm putting money into it. If you think about it, I'm just a net negative for them, like plenty of other players who don't buy the currency and don't talk much about the game.
@@NeoSlashott And yeah it has Traps as well ( not many other gachas have them except FGO ) [ I havent played both but that " Trap " characters fascinate , I have a poor device can't play else it'd be nice to research and know more about Genshin Impact - hopefully If I get time later]
@@JayceCH. I do agree for one specific fact , show the whales these monetization videos. Infact if something at all , to make sure the all players feel good , let the whales know this predatory tactic. It makes the game fun for everyone. I can't see why a F2p won't like the whales knowing this, it makes any pay to boost progress game more fun , supporting is okay but just like being aware of gambling and still enjoying. You dont have to agree with me , it's also my opinion and Im happy to be taken in any good or bad account. But this particular area seems to be my concern. Like let the whole player base know this tactic and still play the game but more mindfully and being aware.
same here. collecting character and farming their artifact is more fun than collecting constellation or 5* weapon.
sooner or later gamers must adapt with this kind of monetization,
whether you dont like or disagree with it.
It's crazy how much Asmon gets roasted without trying sometimes 🤣
@@gidi3250 well that's a take haha, but also in just the fact that he can just be calmly reacting to a video and suddenly he falls into a roast whether directly or indirectly
@@gidi3250 not really a unique american trait , you should talk with some east european dads lol
You get roasted and you get millions of dollars it's a win win my dude. He's winning in life.
@@gidi3250 you should look at some of the people in the British parliament or the Us government. Or, well. Any government, really.
I'm having a great time playing Genshin without spending a cent. As long as you can accept that you will just get the characters you'll get, their monetization doesn't have a lot of power over you.
You can plan who are you pulling for when you're close to guarantee
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp Please explain, I'm pretty new to the game.
@@Molimo95 banners need 90 rolls to gaurentee a 5 star. If the first 5 start you get is not the rate up one, then the next 5 star will be the rate up. This carries over to future character banners too. Essentially all 5* characters have a hard cap of 180 rolls to get as that gaurentees 2 5 stars
@@Molimo95 if you spend primogems on a rate up banner, let's say ganyu banner. And you get 5* from that banner but unfortunately it isn't ganyu, then the next 5* that you will get from that banner or the next rate up banner with different character is no longer RNG
@@Loxly-ti4sq Thanks.
41:55 My first thought about the "competing on skill" thing was League. I feel like a lot of people that play league hate it because in order to consistently win you have to be constantly better than the other players (although sometimes even that isn't enough) in champion skill, micro and macro, and general game knowledge. All this would require a ridiculous amount of time, where at that point you're no longer playing the game because its fun.
No, league players thrive on boasting about their skills being better. What they hate about the game is the toxicity and trolls, and fragile egos that ruin their games. The skill (mechanically) is rather easy to get too, what's worse is building enough experience to have a good sense of item building for each game. You need exponentially more knowledge with each champ, in order to know how to counter each matchup successfully. THAT is the real skill when it comes to League. Pro players are just coincidentally also extremely good mechanically with almost every champ, because of the time they've spent training game sense and matchups.
I stop playing that game because its fking toxic. 1 mistake and you will get shit on with curse and mean words from both your team and the enemy team.
Fate is a franchise that started with visual novels and then said novels were adapted into multiple anime and this is the biggest reason a lot of fans, myself included, began playing the game (basically, it adds more to the existing lore).
Fate grand order is a single player game and you get more than enough free stuff to be able to do all content without any issues. Which means there is actually no reason to spend any money at all unless you have no self control and/or are rich.
I have been playing it for over a year without spending anything and I have 10 5 stars and half of them are some of the best characters in the game which just makes it more unbelievable, imo, when I see these cases of people spending so much money.
I shall stick with the UA-cam videos
It is entirely possible to spend so much money in FGO, specially if you are the kind of player that feels the need to have all the available characters. But if you accept the fact that you can't get everyone, yes, FGO is a game that can be enjoyed without spending a dollar. Free characters with most new events, support system which allows to use friend's characters, plenty of free gacha currency of which there is only one (technically two: paid/free SQ)
@@RisqueBisquetz I mean, I am not defending the practice but the people that just throw away money they can not afford to spend are to blame as much as the company that enables this in the first place.
@@RisqueBisquetz because video games aren't free to make?
@@electricant55 not free but they are also not that expensive in perspective to require using dirty mind tricks to extent companies do in order to grab ppls wallets :)
tbh simple optional battle pass and skin/mount/pet from time to time would be more than enough to keep steady revenue with xx k players :)
problem is if milions ppls get caught on it and there are generally acepted practices in development then why not make hundreds of millions instead of millions per month ;)
We are far beyond good taste or morality at this point.
It's worth mentioning that Genshin is designed so well that a mentally healthy person that plays regularly and spends an equivalent of WoW sub a month can get a LOT of characters, weapons etc. I'm not trying to advertise the game or defend the whale-baits there, just pointing out that the business model is not targeting only whales and people without control.
Copium. Trying to defend gacha system. I buy welkin and battle pass even 2 months of saving up isn't enough to get a character you like if yoú lose 50/50. Getting Keqing or Diluc isn't something than getting a character you actually like and would use. Stop pretending like Genshin is the beat game, it only wins an award just because the dev literally pays us with primo to vote. Lmao
Design well but gacha is evil, i have seen a son kick out from the house, a rich become homeless bcoz of genshin, you just dont get much exposure on the world yet
@@Vizible21 This. Genshin fans really are brainwashed.
@@Vizible21 Oh man, I'm not defending it, I'm hating it myself. The 50/50 and even more horrible pity system for signature weapons are so unnecessary. Also logging in every day to give food to some dude and escort the balloon again XD
@@Vizible21 what a load of BS, Ive pulled everything I wanted on welkin and bp.
All his Points are kinda Correct. But he has no IDEA of Genshin Impact, Talks about Battle Pass, does not show the Battle Pass, Currencys Wrong, talk about Wishes, Wrong. Every Gacha Player i know playing like Honkai etc before, said, Genshin is Pretty Fair when it comes to Gacha. Yes its still aiming to get your Money. Its not an Angel. But he should not use Genshin for this Video, when he has no idea about it. (he= Atrioc)
@Malachi Gillespie imagine thinking Genshin is just a gacha game :v
@@EngelAguilar it may be a gatcha game with content/good gameplay.
But it is still quite aggregious compared to some lower scale gatchas. They may just go a powercreep road for few character then buff others or nerf new characters to balance them out. But they still got your money
@Malachi Gillespie Why not, its a great game even you dont spend anything. You dont need gacha characters, but you get tons of free currency to get alot of them anyway. The Game has other problems for me, but nothing you can skip buy paying.
@@Bl4ckthunder Sure, but whole point of gatcha is "collect them all" target, which is unachievable without spending bunch of money
@@DimkaTsv Sure, and i did say, genshin is ont an Angel, they sure want Money as a F2P Game. But i never felt i HAVE to Gacha. Its a Single Player Game, and i can Beat any Content with my Team which i never Spend anything. I spend only a Single time till Today, Started playing on Launch. Just for Battle Passes, and some Wishes. And still have half of the Currency i bought. After Hundres of Hours i felt it OK to give somethnig Back with the Purchase.
I'm a Day 1-ish player of Genshin Impact. You don't need to spend money on Genshin Impact to get characters you want, just do the events, explore to open the chests, make your team strong to beat Spiral Abyss and enjoy the story to get the currency needed to pull the limited characters you want. All of the above is free if you put in a bit of effort and play the game normally. And even if you do that and still don't get the character you want, the "exclusive limited character" thing is a lie, just wait for the rerun of the character.
And let's say you do want to spend a little on Welkin Moon for example. It's worth it, because this game is at a very high quality. Has an engaging story, a world designed by incredible artists and arguably the best original soundtrack I've ever heard in a while. It is worth it if you're well off enough to show your appreciation to the devs for their work and for your own enjoyment of course.
I wish Asmon would actually play the game to form his own opinion.
It's still limited if it's seasonal. I agree that this game grew to be very beautiful.
me too.
cant wait until asmon tried genshin.
i think genshin have figured out how to balance a good game and good ways of making money.
all of the constellation and 5* weapon is nice to have and not must have.
by playing this game consistently,
you will have enough primogems to collect the characters that you need.
yep welkin moon only thign that worth it i use it when im not buysy but ignore it when busy so dont have to "login i paid for it" feeling. everythign else is garbage, also if use energies and frequencies you can get better pulls.
"Genshin has a large female audience" You play Genshin impact for the Pixel women, I play Genshin impact for the Real women. We are not the same.
Above everything mentionned, you also have the credit card factor.
Spending money you might no have or can't feel.
Like spending 100$ you have in your hands is so much different than 100$ on a credit card swipe.
Mix this with the obfuscation of multiple different currencies in game, it's an absolute mess.
Even worse than irl casino. Atleast you know exactly how much you spend if you lose at the blackjack table.
thats an issue mostly i guess in USA. In Europe credit cards arent that popular. I personally dont know a single person who owns a credit card. always debit
This is a really good point
I don't agree whatsoever, this just screams "I have no concept of monetary value" just because you are handing over money in phsyical form or in the form of a card doesn't change the fact you are exchanging money. People are just bad with their wallets, they don't take the time to think, "if I spend X amount that will put me at XXXX and then I will have difficulty affording essential items, or being able to pay my bills" it's not hard.
@@Osprey1994 one click is easier than handing over dozens of 100$ notes.
On top of that you buy crystals and with crystals again another currency called primogems and than you buy the actual wishes for 160 of them. In oder to keep track of how much money you spend you have to actually pull up a calculator..
This all makes it hard to keep track of how much you spent in total and they obviously want that. They manipulate and use people who are more prone to such addictions and basically profit of their despair. How is this not morally questionable? And how is this still legal in so many countries?
Video is incorrect on a multitude of facets, I can't actually list all the details because it would be a novel. This will probably be long as is...
1.) There is no meta, it's a single player game and you can beat everything with free characters and free weapons.
2.) Zhongli was nerfed before release, he came out very weak and the community lost their mind.
3.) Raiden Shogun was the biggest selling character in the game.
4.) Welkin and BP are the biggest value in the game it will cost you as much as a WoW sub to maintain it but you can manage without (I have multiple friends I can use as examples)
5.) The bonus on the currency resets so you can pick one in a situation where you feel it's justified and wait until it resets.
6.) Games pity is very transparent, I have never missed a character unless I was careless and accidentally hit my 100% early while trying to snag a 4 star (DO NOT DO THAT IF YOU HAVE 100%).
7.) The games events are quite generous.
8.) We know exactly how much money it takes to gaurentee a character.
9.) Weapon banner is a trap for whales, or a sink for people don't want to pull for characters anymore.
10.) Artifacts are the biggest source of power.
11.) Google how Keqing is pronounced, it's a surprise.
Lastly there are only two types of currency. Crystal and primogems...the starglitter and dust are just a way of giving you a way to pick up extra rescources and extra gems and even characters in the long run.
For the record, Genshin has very few "skins" or new outfits for existing characters and they are either
(1) free to obtain, you just have to complete the limited time event quest which is not hard; or
(2) able to be purchased directly, no gacha element involved - a straight up purchase.
I get the guys point and generally agree, but he clearly doesn't play or actually know about Genshin so when he tries to make an example of it with saying stuff like you can raise a 3 star weapon to 5 stars or something wrong like that it makes it sound so wrong and bad.
I get that it's pretty much 'gambling' , but 5-star character rates in Genshin are so low that you end up just assuming you'll go to the soft pity at 75-80 once (for a 50% chance) or twice (for guarantee), which is basically buying the character for a known price. and if you lose that 50% then the next one is still guaranteed no matter what/forever, even if its a different/future banner.
and this is the reason why I can't even truly view it as actual gambling. Because in gambling, there is no guarantee. Yes, you can look at genshin as buying 10 pulls with a small chance of getting the thing you want (that IS gambling) OR you can look at it as buying a character (in other words buying 90/180 pulls) with a small chance that you will get more than what you wanted (which is not really gambling anymore). It's like a wierd grey area.
I'd love if Asmon would start a f2p journey on a second server in Tower of Fantasy and compare the experience with the same time investment as the 2k account
That’s actually genius. The paying aspect really overshade the exploration in ToF, there are interest points that gives yellow currency (The big boy, p2w currency). By using real money to get them makes finding them in interest point less desirable, I dropped like 1k on an account and find it boring af after 3 days then I made an different account to go f2p and I have to say the game gives off more fun than paying for the gacha currency.
playing the game f2p is def the way to go imo.
@@sparkofcuriousity honestly it wouldn't make a lot of difference.
@@sparkofcuriousity i mean look at mtashed, both of his whale accounts and f2p have the same power level in genshin. Most famous Gacha games are always pay to flex wealth anyway.
I think the biggest difference would be battle passes. Holy shit that thing gives A LOT of stuff. I already considered get one, but i have some irl priorities rn.
But still, i haven't seen any big power gap that makes me unable to play without spending some bucks. Even better that im focusing tank role, so let the whales do the dps. lol
So if anyone has played PGR, the main premium currency is Black Cards, with the paid Currency being the Rainbow Card. Rainbow can buy anything from more Black Cards to skins and decor pieces in game. The way the Gacha works though is that the Black Card gets converted into a specific ticket type depending on your banner. If its an event banner, its yellow. If its a regular banner for constructs its blue, alongside the regular banner for weapons. And if you want a specific weapon, you got the target banner for red. You can also purchase Rainbow Card packs that give a full 10 roll that are a monthly refill.
The Gacha system itself has a pretty good pity as well, even showing you how much you need till you get the next s rank or what not. It's still has a lot of signature gacha mechanics but overall, it focuses more on gameplay and skill rather than having all the best gear.
the problem is getting black cards cuz they are stingy as fuck, love the game, but when 1 summon costs 5$ don't even try to defend it
Also if you are a whale I don't think that is much of a concern...
and also
Comparing genshin for example, 5 dollars gives you 2 pulls (i think)
the hard pity is 180 pulls...you need 180 pulls for a guarantee.
on PGR 5 dollars, 1 pull, with a pity of 60 (100% for new constructs or special/anniversary banners).
That is way cheaper
PGR is the most generous imo.
i hope they will be that generous with wuthering waves.
Want to add my voice to the pile. If asmon ever does play genshin I hope he goes at it as a pure F2P. It will be much more relatable and can hopefully show how not every gacha game shoves purchasing options in your face
Nah he will absolutely whale out because videos like that get a lot of views
@@toobig7399 true,I would bet he’ll be throwing cash at the slots in the first two three hours of playing
@@italianspiderman5012 Throws 1k upon starting the game. Proceeds to call game pay to win. Profit.
@@friendlydragon1161 lets hope he gets Tighnari so he can't level up him xD
@@EngelAguilar that's cruel but i really think in this case this would be the best outcome
Like, yes, you actually have to play the game to progress
I really wish Asmon would play f2p genshin without focusing on gacha. The game has so much more to offer: a good story, MASSIVE freaking lore, fun combat where you actually have to think about combinations, rotations, team comps, watch cooldowns, decide on what elemental reactions are better for some particular enemy... Exploration is really fun too, like, all the hidden dungeons, quirky hidden chests, huge world quests like with nine orbs in liyue etc.
Main events of patches are cool, new areas are aesthetic and provide new mechanics and puzzles every time they get released.
So, focusing on gacha exclusively is just the wrong way
@@Fordrake21 well that's probably not the best idea, but i saw a genshin walk-through that uses only traveler and it's pretty fun
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp honestly ive been using traveler on my team since i had built him months ago but never used him and the unit i wanted to play wasn't built yet and ive been having so much fun. granted, zhongli being on my team most likely made him better but still fun
@@thatweirdodaniel I'm planning to build dendro traveler for fun heh
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp i was thinking about that as well! I'll try him out and see how he plays. if it isn't my thing I'll probably stick with geo traveler
It's ruined though by the gacha alone
Genshin doesn't have a meta in a sense that it's such a brain-dead easy game you can finish it with any characters you want.
Even if they make actual harder boss or something, casual player gonna complain again and they gonna nerf it like they did to Childe boss and Inazuma's Samurai.
@@irinechemist2550 mhmm!! Being a mobile game at heart, it has to be heavily softened.
The guy was completely wrong about currencies. There's literally only 2 wish tokens in the game and 2 currencies to buy the wish tokens. All the other stuff like Starglitter or Stardust have nothing to do with wishing and is used as a currency to exchange for items which have absolutely nothing to do with the gacha in the game.
Like don't get it wrong, I still hate a lot of gacha practices, but to bring up Genshin where it's pretty much non-existent feels like a terrible example.
In fact, Genshin is weird fucking game where the people who get the most value and enjoyment for their money are the low spenders. People who drop like 15 dollars for the battle pass and daily login reward while working gives no real advantage since it's a PvE game with no leaderboard.
The only thing Genshin does badly (in terms of gacha) compared to other gacha games is their abysmal amount of currency rewards.
You can buy wishes with Starglitters and Stardusts. And you get Starglitter and Stardust from dupe rolls, i.e. you have to gacha to get them, too. The least money-related currency in Genshin is Mora and that is also locked behind a time-based resin system.
Genshin has a meta but u can easily beat everything with the strong 4* units and in fact the best unit in the game is a 4* and so is the 3rd best. There are 6 really broken 4* units and a decent amount of good ftp weapons. Additionally the new 5* units aren’t always strong a lot are weak or average in fact most of the broken 5* are from 1.x or early 2.x
Zhongli was NOT meta or op on release and that data was from that time. He was one of the weakest 5 star characters back then and people spend this much money because they just like the character.
Yeah, there was the whole "buff Zhongli" thing because he was too weak and then they buffed him, but it only happened because people liked him a lot (also, he's the god from the nation which represents China in-game).
The whole meta shiit mentality is what's ruining games, noone cares your spent money to flex on a video game...... try something more skill based and watch the fake hype gamers run for the hills
Generally the Archons always sell well.
Ok genshin loser
I had to get him at c2 just so he is relevant in co-op back when his banner just got released.
It's not that difficult to break the login spree. I didn't log in for 2 days in a row and that was it, I'm done with the game and never felt like logging in again. There needs to be something else that keeps you coming back than just random rewards. It boils down to whether or not the game is something you genuinely enjoy, because if you don't, you will NOT keep logging in indefinitely.
So a grace period
@@Zanduras1 I haven't logged into lost ark since tof came out. I wasn't that interested in the grind in the first place so it's not that surprising. I will go back when some new skins and aeromancer comes out though, but yeah I didn't really feel as if I had to log in every day that much.
Like I could get farm weekly gold for skins but if I really want them I'll just buy them. Same goes for gacha I guess but rolls are really expensive compared to skins so you can't really afford to play on and off on those games of you want to get stuff without paying.
I stopped logging into Lost Ark when I ran out of non repetitive combat that wasn't bosses. The bosses in Lost Ark are probably some of the most cheating degrading BS I have ever seen. At least in WoW you don't get knocked on your ass when you get hit by an effectively unavoidable AoE since WoW doesn't lock your character into an attack animation.
Same. Stopped playing for a few days and never got the urge to touch the game again.
With gacha games i have mixed feelings. With Genshin i love the game, the esthetic and history. In the other side, hate the 90 pulls count, for the OC nature, but, is a more easy to understand system against other gacha. On the sour side, Tower of Fantasy playing since day one, still trying to learn the multiple currency system and how you get to a wall related of the power difference between SR and SSR.
This is a matter really really important, mainly of the easy access to spend absurd amounts to stay on top or up to date with the content.
In a fair case, try rerolling today for the 1st limited banner in TOF. Then try in Genshin. TOF also has reruns that has pity that stays in different limited banners. You could get any SSR you want (3-7 SSR STANDARD is fairly easy for just a month play) while getting 1 limited SSR every other patch. They also take reruns or goes to the Standard banner after a 2-3 month. In general Genshin already lost hard, only the whiteknights and very very f20 casuals stayed in that game. Any skilled or experience RPG players already left that game and has content drought which TOF already solve by introducing scaled balanced PvP, Battle Royale, Raids with a little PowerCreep META.
@@rataarctica i hope you're joking lmao, genshin has like 20x time more players than tof
I agree that ToF has more currencies and can be a bit annoying to understand at first, but at the same time it's so much more generous with pulls and many other systems.
Been playing since launch, I've only bought the battle pass and have pulled 8 SSR's, counting the free one you can chose from the event, as well as 2 that I bought using Black Gold. I also have a bunch of maxed SR's.
That's just an insane amount compared to Genshin. I played a ton of GI when it came out and I was nowhere near that amount after months, and I was grinding so much more.
I'm guessing this will slow down in the future in ToF, especially when we'll have explored the whole map, but it's still a very good headstart that makes me not feel like I need to spend money to have a strong team/weapon set.
@@Neraux. actually power creep is a very prevailing problem in Tower of Fantasy, it is one of the reasons why it flunked so hard in China
I genuinely don’t think genshin currency system is that bad
He’s the 2nd I saw who tried to make the currency system more than what it actually is. The previous guy put collectibles and upgrade materials as premium currency ffs.
Yeah, I think that guy didn't really make his research
Yes, you buy Genesis Crystals which are 1:1 to Primos, next you use 160 of them for a fate, and that's it.
The guy said that you use fates to turn them into Starglitter to roll for Stardust.
@@azorailke6057 first of all, it's atrioc. get our king's name right.
second, how is that a fair criticism against someone who doesn't play genshin? OBVIOUSLY it's gonna seem like a lot to have 5 currencies.
Yup
@@zzeroara9511 then he should research about it to not spread misinformation
I find it fascinating that Genshin, that has absolutely no competitive element whatsoever, has earned the most, by selling characters alone.
THe most insidious because it seems the least insidious.
@@GeorgeMonet no because the game is actually good, and people actually love the characters, each character in genshin has fan accounts and subreddits, it's insanely popular
Because its the only one that is playable in phone, pc and console... open world and globaly released and kid friendly (easy and anime style). They are good are marketing and a lot of money for it. And after that the game became the trend in social media. You have to undestand that a lot of genshin player spend more time talking about the game than playing the game. And because there is a new char almost every month, they talk again every fucking month, easy marketing. Other gacha are almost not talked about in social media. Other games are in a majority a trend when new patch/exp or release and its happens one time a year for the better ones. Hoyoverse mastered the marketing that's all. And of course it is a good game when you start it.
Genshin could be beaten with only first characters you've been given. So its not hidden behind paywall or smth like that. Every peace of content is achievable with just free stuff game gives you. So its not pay to win per say. But game is encouraging you to spend as much as you can that's true and there is no limit to that. + They've attracted a lot of influencers to propagate spending gross amounts of money on an in game content, whereas a game content barely worth like 60$ after 2 years of release.
Oh, the game content is worth a lot more than most 60$ scam AAA games.
They just added Sumeru which is more content than 90% of AAA $80 games lol
@@mangshu21 I paid 100 for full Warhammer 2. GI and Warhammer Total war are incomparable in a sense of content.
@@mangshu21Now with sumeru you can say it's a AAA adventure, so it worth 60-70 bucks. What's wrong with what I said lol? Or should I pay for shitty monstadt 500 bucks to get a character there?
Some people have more time, others more money - you can't compare these people, they have other scarcities.
EDIT TO ADD: I FORGOT to mention. Genshin Impact allows A LOT of opportunities in the game to get their platinum currency. This is why I don't have too big of an issue with the monetization for this game. Also, I don't understand the fuss with the currencies, either. The glitter you get as compensation for a wish that you can spend on additional wishes or in-game items. I don't know man. People are wrong about Genshin, but they aren't completely wrong.
Genshin Impact is a great game. I got it on launch. I am also someone with past trauma that makes me prone to addiction, so I speak out against gacha games. I say all this to say this: Genshin Impact is not as bad as people make it seem. I've personally only spent money on the battle passes (which are fine; its basically a subscription fee on a free game) and in the past I've bought the gems when they were double the value (only one purchase each), and I've also purchased the 30 day currency pass when I played it every day.
In total, I've spent maybe a bit over $100. The game is free but it's a live service game. I took a break and just came back, so I have Inazuma and Sumeru to explore now. I plan on purchasing just the battle pass this go round. If people do not hold themselves accountable and are prone to addiction as I hold myself accountable, then they shouldn't play these games. The problem is the internet in general allows so many people to come together and no one resolves their past trauma. They just compartmentalize and cope through para-social relationships on the internet, and they seek happiness through an addiction, which can be anything honestly. The chances of you reading this comment are slim, but I think Genshin's pay model is a bit predatory (I prefer Apex's model over everything) but it's not as bad as it can be. Diablo: Immortal is a sin and shouldn't exist.
@Keshuel I’m defending Genshin impact because people who criticize it have no idea what they’re talking about most of the time.
@@despain8726 genshin has less currency tbh like u can process 1600 = to any currency depends on country
@@despain8726 As i day 1 f2p genshin gamer can you please explain me where can i get those oppurtunitys to get platinum currency, please enlighten us ? Compared to other high profile games like Azur lane, GBF, Arknights and so on, the premium currency you aqquire in game is abssaly low so the criticizem is valid in that case.
@@tadejhlavacek404 are you trolling? Aside from the daily commissions, there are events that reward primogems. The game world itself has loads of opportunities to earn gems, and let's not forget the rewards you get from the Spiral Abyss. This has to be a troll post, because you just exposed yourself: you just play the game way too much. It's either time to pick up another game or pick up a new hobby.
@@blkwng you missed the point of my post. Self accountability is huge here. At the end of the day, if you lose all your money on digital currency, that’s your fault. It’s a free game. Stop playing it. If you can’t stop, you need to get yourself into therapy and stop forcing other people to solve your fucking problems
The more of this comes in future games, the more 'retro' gaming I'll go.
There is a line that needs to be drawn.
Same here, i like games where IRL money is only an up front cost, not a game mechanic :/
Try RPG MO. A retro online game :)
So many GI players are telling the truth, but those haters will never listen。
i have a few experiences with gacha games and i believe genshin is the friendliest gacha system of them all
Yeah exactly
People like to say tof is more generous but that's just the honeymoon period
Not really, the friendliest gacha system is Azur Lane
In Genshin, if you buy welkin pack and doing commissions everyday, you're guarantee of 1 pull/day
But in Azur Lane, after finish all activities, you gain 3 cubes/ day, the gacha is 1 cube/light ship or 2 cube/battleships
Even tho there is no pity system in Azur Lane, the rate of getting new ship girl is pretty high, most of the event i spent less than 100 cubes to get 5 - 6 new ship girls
So you dont even have to pay for anything, Azur Lane makes money by selling skins tho
@@camapdien i see, i haven't play azur lane, my experience mostly from rhythm gacha games
i knew Atrioc Intention to shed a Light on how awful Gacha System really is and its Noble, but at the same time he cast a Shadow to the game itself. Saying Genshin has the MOST Currency out of Gacha game, saying Battle Pass and Welkin as a Way to Always Coping and staying to Play Genshin, the moment he say this i realize that he is starting to BIAS his Statement. I play many Gacha game and there is still many Elephants in the room. While at the same time Atrioc spending 1K on CS:GO Crate, is kinda Hypocrites to be honest.
Like Asmon said, its okay if the thing we directly buy with money is a real thing and Guarrante like example Welkin, But Atrioc smears it like its a Bad Thing. I kinda starting to wonder what is his trying to prove?, How awful Gacha is? Or How Awful Genshin is?.
Imagine making a video about gacha, but then go ahead and pick the gacha that is barely a gacha for the topic. Makes 0 sense.... Clearly showed through the video that he doesn't even play the game and doesn't understand anything about it, even the currencies or how things work. You can play this game from start to finish, experience the whole story and content without spending anything at all. As a F2P player you can get ALL the characters as long as you have some basic understanding about the rates and pity system, and you can GUARANTEE you get them. All you need to do is play the game, be engaged in it and its easy. People spending w.e they want on other gacha, is a THEM problem, its their personal issue. No one is forcing them, they made the choice.
THERE IS NO PVP in Genshin, there is no P2W content. Meaning spending is purely a choice to advance in collecting w.e you want, but not to progress in the game...
This is the same as blaming a cliff. Sure, the scenery looks nice and tempting to glide down. But if you chose to do so without proper gear (spending money when you shouldn't), and you die, its on you. People falling for temptation is not the fault of the cliff/scenery...Even if said cliff for some reason was created by a human with malice.
The Genshin nerds are fucking mad after this video lol
@@douglasmurdoch7247 LOL thanks for letting everyone know that you are a jackazz. 1 thing is not understanding a topic but another thing is d1ck riding someone that doesn't understand a topic. That's just another tier of stupid....imagine being this kind of turd xD
Genshin player, appalled after hearing the truth about their game
47:43 I really like your comment about being against learnt helplessness. Yes, just because something is designed to be manipulative doesn't mean you don't have agency or responsibility to be vigilant, to pay only what you can afford and to actively make good decisions. Good discussions like this should bring into people's awareness the potential pitfalls and dangers and then it's partially on us what we do with ourselves, our time and our finances.
It's actually easier being a f2p Fate GO player in North American since that version is 2 years behind so you can always check the Japanese banner catalogue for the year and save up for what banner you want to roll for.
Genshin is
1) pve and single player with no leaderboards or pvp so having good characters doesn't matter.
2) I can get an average of about 70-80 pulls every patch. 75-80 is the soft pity(20 percent chance every pull, so 99 percent of 5 stars come here). 90 is hard pity. So i basically get 1 5 star every patch.
3) There are 4 star characters wayyyy better than 5 star characters in the game. For example Bennett,xingqui, xiangling, sucrose is a team made up of only 4 stars which were released with the game and everyone has them. This team is one of the best teams in genshin. It's called the national team because everyone can use it.
4) Artifacts are based on luck since you farm them. Whales can technically farm more but not by a significant Margin. There is a time gated system called resin but whales are also gated from buying too many of them and it's honestly more of a convenience thing than an advantage thing.
@@nrf82 0. Im f2p. Also 16 years old so no way i literally can
That 70-80 pulls per patch it's cap
Felt like a retell of the mentioned whaling video. And I'm pretty sure Genshin was picked for its popularity, not because it includes most points mentioned.
Fine to watch video on live stream but... Lets just say, I usually watch the original video (if I liked it on reaction vid), not happening this time.
People just don't have self Control.
Playing Genshin Impact since release and did not spend a dime for Rolls and i have every Charakter i want and i still have enough currency do get all the others i want that come out in the Future.
Kinda disagree with many points here:
1) How to tell you know nothing about Genshin: ZL sold more bc of meta lmao. The char with the biggest outrage ever (even up to now) about his power level was bought bc of meta, sure.
2) There's only one real currency in Genshin - primogems. Literally everything else doesn't matter, action chain from the video doesn't make any sense, it's like saying you get euros to buy dollars to convert into cents, like wtf.
3) You don't need to buy 60 packs in Genshin for a chance of a skin, you just buy it directly.
4) WTF is that Chongyun-Beidou example. Is it just the first chars he searched? It's so absurd and far from reality I bet he never played at all.
Althought I do think they could do better balancing (especially with geo element) and different QoL things, and ofc all that money doesn't come without manipulations. But a lie is a lie, come on guys.
that's because the guy did the video didn't even play the game, clearly just there to ride the algorithm. Even asmon has better educated opinion than this guy is.
I just don't like bad fact videos. I mean yeah genshin is gacha & successful but come on, do your fact right
@@nrf82 Great argument lmao.
For me as Genshin player and also played a lot of not p2w games such as PoE, I think the core of the video is true and realistic. In comparison, Genshin does have those ideas implemented to trick players to spend money, nothing doubt about it, this significants includes, resin(time gated farming), Event Banner (time limited character pull), Promoting social media (which is happening), Primogems to Pulling conversion (you look at you have thousands of primos but just realize it just worth a few pulls), dailies (to keep players log in), skins (slowly being published), constellations (more opportunies to buy something) and general gambling style of GETTing stuff. META change is also happening (explain later).
Luckly, the better thing of Genshin is that the system designed in a much softer approaches, this including: no leader board (softer competitive aggression), Two step conversions currency (easier to calculated), Actual Gameplay to get rewards (exploration stories and puzzle, you may not like it, but you actually will engage the gameplays), Much less noticable shop menu, Promoting selling through stories (actually nice character designs and background lores), actually nicely designed stories, music, exploration areas (can see some affords not being "cheap") and much softer META changes. To expend on META changes, I would say there is META changes (some environemnts of abyss promote pryo team and some promote cryo teams), BUT it is soften because 1. GENSHIN has some baseline flexible characters that will provide baseline solutions to META and they are easy to obtain (Xingqiu Xiangling Bennett etc.). I also believe this is design on purpose to have those characters as a global solutions and also provide baseline structure of any teams. 2. the META change is not unsolvable by countered characteres or weaker characters.
I also think GENSHIN is not design the way of MMO, but some people might tricked by the dailies to log in everyday and feel bored quickly. I am glad there is not significant endgame since a MMO style of endgame required constant difficulty increase paired with increasing rewards feedback, which I believe increases the chance of powercreep and aggressive META switches. I think Genshin is fine as long as the big patch coming consistantly and even more frequently. We really should treat it as a singleplayer games and I do think the contents of Genshin is not "cheap" as some people think.
Add to endgame, I think a traditional risk-reward endgame is really a cheap design if not designed well (there are some well-designed endgames but a lot of endgame for Gatcha games are very "cheap"). Imaging, Genshin could put a PVP as a endgame, however, how is the affords to compared with design a whole new area music and stories? Some people might be less interested in stories and explorations, but it does not mean it is cheap to do. You can put a low effort endgame system to provide so-called replayabilities or you could design a new concept in visuals and areas constantly. I am not sure which one people really want.
However, in the end, I want to say... probably humanity needs to envolve somehow. I do not really like the GATCHA aspect of Genshin in any direction. I hope there is a solution to the Gambling situation in the games. Remember companies still need to survive by competing with others, they need to make money for it and this is the core reason why more company considers this type of monetization, because people actually spend money for it.............. I bought some pulles myself so I cannot judge too much on others, but I recommend to treat GATCHA as a fix investment buying. Always count the worse case cost and calculated how much it should spend (one character 4 packs of money (if no pity saves)). and see if it is worth it or you can afford it. Remember it is the REAL price of a character, any extra left is just a bonus of chance nothing more.
Genshin impact is the only game that combines brothel and Casino perfectly.
No one ask you to pay when you go to brothel or Casino, but still a lot people addicted to these places.
From video game perspective, Genshin impact is a game with sallow story and stupid level designs. Playing it just wasting life.
@@user-gb7wf6if9v Very strong opinions. In the case of "playing it just wasting life", I could imagine the cases where whether you did not play it or you have already "wasted some life".
@@weiminzhao930 Good game is art, they have souls, not just some lazy developed cash grab free to play games.
@@user-gb7wf6if9v True True. But one additional things I want to mention is that F2P not equal to Cash grab also not equal to Lazy developed. Also art is subjective.
Compliment the good and criticize the bad. Even they could be inside one identity.
@@weiminzhao930 I agree not all f2p
games are cash grabs. I need to correct 'all gacha games are cash grabs'
Genshin impact definitely a cash garb & super lazy development
First I want to talk about lazy development. Genshin impact spent 200 milion dollar in development which is 3× more than a modern 3a games, about 8 to 10 times more than a JACT games, more than all fromsoft souls games combined.
With such cost, despite China have the cheapest art assets and concept art workforce, mihoyo till manage to make a game that 10 years behind the gaming industry.
The story telling and quest designs also super lazy. They have more than 5 years time and still screwed up this part.
Unity engine is known for easy to use, but the game still have so many optimize issues.
Second, the reason Genshin impact is cash grabs.
The game is a gatcha game.
Most f2p game can make profit by selling skins or by selling game subscription and still being free (such as eve online)
Gacha mechanic is the manifest of incapability of game balancing. It shows a game designer unable to design a level to be fun and challenge and force you to use money to be the difficulty slider.
Finally, art is object opinion, BUT LAZY ART IS ALWAYS BAD. Genshin impact is one of them.
It's like you looking at some poorly made NFT art, anyone with braincell knows it's bad.
Good game will stick within your mind for years, but playing geshin will only makes you regret, regret why wasting life on sush repetitive, soulless game.
Man that video is old when I saw that graphic on the character revenue...
Raiden Shogun probably made half a billion dollars on her first banner alone! Her Chinese revenue was $22mil if memory serves
Prediction: all video games on all platforms will eventually be reduced to contributing to the degeneration of a segment of the human race, and calling them games will just be a nod to a bygone era.
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Played Genshin for maybe a year or two on and off. Have multiple 5 stars. Got a few hundred hrs out of it while spending $0. GIGACHAD Freeloader
genshin is truly the exception imo.
i have play other gacha game,
some of them have generous free premium currency but not enough content to keep me playing.
some of them have hard end game content that is impossible to solo, its disgusting.
genshin have nail the balance between delivering enough content to keep player stays but not too hard that it is not soloable.
Gacha games taught me how to save and when to spend my resources, so it's basically a resource management game.
+meta in genshin is 4* mostly + it's PVE and at end game you and a whale can do what you want in 5 minutes that's it. It doesn't matter if you whale unless you want bigger numbers that is much higher than enemies Hp poll
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just a correction to not spread misinformation, in genshin u have like 2 currencies that are needed for getting new characters aka gacha for characters ... its Genesis crystals and Primogems ... now Genesis Cristals u can obtain by only buying them with real money ..u can convert them into
160 Genesis Crystals = 160 Primogems = 1 Pull, 10 pulls u get guarantied 4 star or more if u are lucky
- Promogems (u get Promogems from playing the game u dont have to buy necessary, just save up)
- character level up material bundles (u dont really need this u can just farm the stuff)
- buy skins (if u want lol)
- refill stamina or "resin" as its called in genshin (if u are a meta player, and want to level up in the speed of light lol, u dont need this to beat the game tho)
Now Primogems u can convert into 2 types (Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate) for gachaing in a few different banners .. the thing is tho u dont have to convert Primogems into this 2 ... every roll in banners costs u the same amount of Primogems aka 160 Primogems for 1 roll ... why u still need to know about Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate? is because the game rewards u with this currencies from events you take part in or from exploring the world or leveling up characters ... so its good to know about them cause they can be used to gacha but they limit ur choices in banners to gacha on, they still free so thats nice
Now Promogems u can also obtain by playing the game, exploring, doing events and stuff, usually they are not much but u still can get many characters ... its just if u want to get the character u want u need to save up and usually u can get a 5 star every update or more if u are lucky more then one 5 star character
After u have thrown the Promogems u collected into the banners aka gachaed them away u get Stardust as an exchange ... there are 2 types: Stardust from 3 star stuff u gacha and Stardust from 4 and 5 star stuff u gacha, u can only use this Stardusts in the shop, sometimes u can even buy more Fates with them to gacha a few more times or even be able to buy 4 star characters from the shop ... now u dont really need anything from the shop ..there is nothing very important u really need from it ... i sometimes use the Stardust i collected to buy that mob drop i am to lazy to collect lol ... so in conclusion wat the streamer said about the game having many currencies i would say there is only the mentioned 2 Genesis Crystals and Primogems ...u dont have to buy any of them and still have a pretty bad ass account ..its a matter of patience with commitment ..everything u need to play the game u can collect and save up for ... all the other currencies u might see in the game like Mora (gold coins) or whatever else, u can collect all of this via playing the game ... if u run out of the other currencies u just farm for it 2 days in a row aka use ur resin for that ...next time u run out of level up material well guess what u farm that the next 2 days ... u log in, spend ur resin for the materials u need, maybe explore a bit collet a few Primogems, do ur daily 4 commissions that dont last 3 mins and log out lol ... i have to say tho this is not a game for people with gambling problems or impatient people that cant wait for their resin to refill. If u played the game for a while its easy to get into the groove where u have the downtime of an update, u finished most of that updates content and u are just log in to farm and save for the next character so when u get the character u can level them immediately without needing to buy extra stuff ... i didnt intent to make this an essay but here i am lol ..well .... fellow Genshin players correct me if i messed up with the info, i shall correct it later ... just play the game kid sir and see for urself
Genshin is a bad example for this, all you can buy with the premium currency are a few skins which theres has only been 6 released in almost 2 years beeing out and 3 of them were freebies from events, and a few bundles that dont give you anything special aside from a few resources. The other stuff he mentioned about currencies is false and stupid. So all you really do with those is exchange them for primogems which is used for pulls/wishes but are obtainable just by playing the game. You can clear any content in the game as a f2p, there is no pvp and you can get characters you really want just by playing and saving for them. Theres not even a need to spend money it just takes a little longer to get there. The Main issue i see is that there to many greedy morons that want every single character and want to max out everything, even though its completely unnecessary. And sure Fomo is a thing, but thats about it. Its way more f2p friendly and the gacha is a lot fairer than in most games of the genre. These types of games are meant to be played for a long period of time and making decisions on what you really want or need, you have to be selective about that, so dont expect to get everything thrown in your way. You can only play 4 characters at a time anyways, 8 if we talk about Abyss the basically hardest content in the game, theres not even a need to get that many characters.
@@FangVantino nah it can take quite long before the character shows up again, usually arround 6 month, in some cases almost a year
This guy is mostly wrong about GI, twisting every fact to end up saying "to make yo spending".
I agree. The general points he's trying to make are good, but Genshin was probably one of the worst examples he could have chosen. He's just bullshitting and trying to squeeze Genshin Impact into his narrative and it annoys me. For example the currency system, that was just full of so much bullshit and is completely wrong.
@@brassbat Getting every single 5 star limited character is not possible through F2P. I mean with sheer luck it may be possible if you win every 50/50, but realistically a F2P account will be missing a few characters. The amount of primogems obtained through F2P doesn't cover every single summoning session
Cope
@@army128 ofc it doesnt BUT f2p always save for months, in every game, in life, in everything xD you save til you can get it, of course some people are weak and choose to buy packs every banner but hey, they are a minority, all players know that you have to save enough to reach pity (or guarantee a char in his rerun)
@@Zydico Yea, his talking about currency was utterly bs, GI currency is pretty easy to understand i even had more problems understanding currencies of some games without micro transactions lol.
honestly i have been the whale in many games and i dont even stay playing them because it gets so boring because the game at its base is just bad but improvements temporarily is what excited me i really wanna thank watching asmongold and him on this movement of awareness that i was ultimately able to change for the better i stopped giving in these games are so bad and to make worthwhile gotta pay but even then game still garbage thank you asmon for opening my eyes and letting go of a bad habit and cycle
I honestly feel privileged that I was able to play video games from that 1990 to 2010 era before everything started getting hyper monetized and the quality of games for the most part has decreased. I’m look at what my kids and nephews and nieces go through when they play some of these games are and they generally lose interest after like 10 minutes because we won’t pay for any of the in game currency bullshit.
The thing I dislike the most about the outlook and analyses of mobile/gacha games, as much as I agree that they stink and it sucks how they're the future...
Indie games and big single player games without monetisation exist. You say you feel privileged to play video games from 1990 to 2010, but we still have games like Xenoblade, BotD, Elden Ring, Dead Cells, Terraria, so on and so forth being released, as Asmon said "they will always exist".
I think the overarching commonality where the monetization does become an issue, however, is anything PvP-related, with the half-exception of fighting games. I would personally be more attentive and anal about my children playing anything PvP or MMORPG F2P, as the incentive to buy skins and whatnot would likely develop in them a habit.
But... to conclude, I think the blame is largely based on F2P games, with exceptions such as the sports 2K games. Generally, parents wouldn't want their children to pay money, so they would naturally incline towards Free games, proven with myself as a Grand Chase and Elsword player from back in the day. It would likely be more financially stable to just buy the "big massive content but $60 game" while also warning and teaching the dangers of playing with probabilities.
Visual quality has gone up, and mechanics have gotten trickier, but substance and stability have waned a lot. There have been a lot of QOL upgrades, but at the cost of immersion I think.
Genshin Gacha implementation is pretty tame compare to other game. You can legit can get away with only using free roll, i know i did. You only roll because you want the character and the weapons. Sure you can say its "P2W" but it kinda doesn't. Sure whales can clear harder content easier, but you can also do it with strategies and decent artifact. You also get the benefit from the whale since you clear content faster, and there is not really an incentive for you to be better than anybody, since there is no leaderboard or ranking system. Its honestly a pretty healthy system that i wouldn't mind spending a couple of bucks for a limited character banner (maybe, since i would like to keep myself f2p)
Tame..hahaha
the problem with battle passes is that they are inserted in a micro transaction environment that makes you want to spend all time, and battle passes make you also spend alot of time DAILY on that game.
Then there comes the touche. If you spend alot of time EVERYDAY on the game because you will lose something that you paid for, you get more suscetible to spend more on the game.....
"lets sell this battlepass, tell them its the best benefit and make them drop their wallet on our other packages. marketeers, please elaborate the MOST EPIC offers and lets get rich"
it's basically a non-gambling strategy to make you gamble out of control.
Cmon Asmon just play it already. With so many react vids and mentions that you have with Genshin, I'm surprised you haven't played it yet lol.
@Keshuel lmao did you even play it to call it trash?
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp Well from what I've seen in the comments he didn't get a 5 star in his first 30 pulls so he uninstalled instantly. So yeah one of those people.
@Keshuel Let me tell you a little secret on getting an event character as a beginner. Just get lucky like in any other gacha.
Honestly I've played Genshin for 2 years now and I have only spent 5 pound per month as the subscription fee... I can't feel for those idiodic whales, its not psychological warfare, its just people being stupid.
ur one of them
i like them. They are paying for me play for free.
@@reychua7538 5 per month? That's 1/3rd the amount most people spend on MMOs, hell it's 1/8th of the amount most people likely spend on coffee, or a hobby they enjoy. Calling someone a ""whale"" which usually means spending exorbitant amounts of cash because they toss a bit towards a game they like is pretty stupid.
so you spend 120 pound on the game 😶
@@xdkankaxd5427 For how much content it delivered in 2 years, its worth it. Compare to other subscription based games like wow and ff14, its a way better.
Genshin is not even THAT predatory, like AT ALL. 4* characters are enough to clear the game, and Mihoyo gives you enough in-game currency every month that you can save for your favourite characters. That guy is tripping. LOL people spend money on it because they like certain characters, and it's your decision whether you want to spend money on it or not. Blame yourself for being a gambler, not the game.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All the more reason to buy traditional RPG games like Elden Ring and Persona.
Don't give your money to the companies that are turning gaming into gambling.
Crazy that there are people out there spending 1000-100000 for nothing. It's the equivalent of making a big bet and getting cleaned out at the casino.
U dont understand 😂 from looking from the outside obviously
If you actually would play the games and get attached to the story and characters then you would maybe understand lol
dude has clearly never played genshin. there are only 2 cash tokens the crystals and the primos and they are a 1:1 trade. the crystals themselves can be used to buy certain items and packages in the store, once you convert them to primos they are used to buy wishes..1 wish is 1 roll everything else he has said is utter BS...and a lot of ppl hating on this game don't mention the fact that they give away a ton of primos all the time through achievements/in game events/finding chests and solving puzzles/released codes/also spiral abyss...
every major update you get 600 primos just for needing to wait for the game to patch...
as far as a gatcha game this one gives away a ton of stuff...all the other tokens the guy mentioned are earned in game except for the stardust/glitter which you earn from the wishes and can be used to buy more wishes or other items/chars...
on a side note they have events that give away mid and top tier chars every so often...the game is not as bad as ppl make it out to be...if you are spending more money than you should be that's on the player...
that being said gamble boxes need to be stopped...or we will get more diablo immortal games
TRUE, That vid was absolutely awful I am completely f2p and only AR 56 and can already 36 star the abyss with zero effort with a whole entire minute left on the timer. He also fails to mention that the most OP characters are 4 stars (Bennett, Xingqui,Xiangling,Sucrose), Also he is incredibly wrong on the powercreep, Genshin is one of the few Gacha games with no power creep for example Ayato didn't powercreep tartaglia and yoimyia never powercrept Hu Tao and Yelan didn't powercreep Xingqui. Genshin is one of the most F2P friendly gacha games out there and it doesn't have powercreep. Overall terrible video and he defiantly overplayed the whole currency thing
I heckin love getting 5 primos every time i finished an achievements man.
Bruh the dude is giving outdated and false info, what is this? Did he even research properly?
Seems like you didn't do your research properly as well, as this video was 10 months old.
Genshin not mmorpg, most the time you play alone like elden ring and the game is easy enough to completely ignore the meta. To me genshin just some chill,discover game like breath of the wild.
Bane: "I will BREAK you, batman.
by locking you into a recurring $10.99 subscription service for cute anime girls."
I love it, video of a guy reacting to a video of a guy reacting to a video. The internet is fucking stupid these days.
and here you are..
I play genshin as a f2p, and I have NOTHING to say to defend the gacha system... the only thing I can say is that there are other games that are worst... and that's not a good thing.
I just play because genshin is a good game.
@@vivid8979 Gacha is bad, yes. The game is still good tho.
I was f2p on release and made it basically to the end of the game where it told me to wait on expansions and got a total of 0 5 star characters and a shitty 5 star book. Maybe it's better now but God was it not f2p friendly in terms of collecting. Literally made it to the end with the base character on my team.
@@Unknownz000 F2P, been playing (very casually) since around a year ago, and I have like 7 5-star characters, 1 5-star weapon, and a ton of good high levelled 4-stars, and that's with me being rather unlucky. Release was a bit shaky due to the lack of content / characters, but the sheer amount to work through and the premium currency given away like candy makes it worth getting back into, especially since they've just released the 4th major continent.
Also Asmon; proceeds being tricked
eh like he said he gets his money back by making it as content
@@boom350ph while funding the bloodsucking companies
I enjoy so much your reactions videos!
I love the Nasuverse that is why I started playing FGO 4 years ago for the story and I haven't spent any money on the game, It is difficult because I like so many characters but with the expirience of the game's low odds I save for two years for the meta character and spend money on phisical games that don't require internet, micro transactions, etc.
my response to the conversation about high level players vs casual players
i think there is intermingling between these in a lot of games
for example i personally play most games i enjoy at a pretty high level if not very high level, but i still enjoy playing with casuals sometimes, teaching new people, and just having fun with people who dont expect me as well as me expecting myself to perform perfectly
and something that ties into this is games with like cosmetic rewards or other rewards for high lvl pvp/pve
being able to distinguish urself in a game for working hard and being better is a good feeling, anyone who doesnt admit that is in denial, and even casuals like im not saying that its just cool to flex on casuals but some people get excited and dream of having those things themselves and it facilitates a goal for the next generation of high level gamers
Aside from all the small problems that can be discussed about the game, if the actual question is “is genshin pay to win?” Than no. And it doesn’t crop whit all the others “fake f2p” because the values system works as a double compensation (there are 2 values to pool because there are 2 banners, one that is constant and 2 that cycle every 2 weeks whit higher possibilities for certain characters) so when you pool from one of this, everything that you pool gives you the single reward and a certain amount of another value that you can accumulate to exchange them back in wishes value, and then there is the standard value that you use in the game. Other than this you can find a lot of the value to gain wishes just by doing things in game, be it exploration, combat, challenges or leveling up, and there is always at least 2 events goong on that gives you that value, and finally, whit periodical redeem codes because of web events or updates and a pity system that is easy to manipulate.
Whit all this things mixed together whit a normal amount of farming and attention that is even less than normal for this type of game, at the end of the week/month you’ll have enough of wishes that you need to have all that you want when it comes about in the cycling banner whit the augmented probabilities. All of this obviously implies the fact that the gatcha is still gatcha and that one must not just throw wishes whitout thinking, but still, the game doesn’t FEELS like you NEED to have certain characters or weapons, and you most certainly doesn’t actually have to.
I think that the great thing of this game as a gatcha is that if you pool, you do it because of an idea of “theory crafting” or just because you like the character, as you encounter and know all of them in game, and not because you fell you need this or that character otherwise you wont probably be able to beat some of the content.
im a stubborn free player if i cant grind it out im simply gonna quit the game
Same.
The video is hella outdated and the guy is pretty cringe, cause he doesn't know shit and it shows so many times lmao.
Like, genshin HAS guarantees, so yes, if you're very impatient you can pay more and get what you want (or you can learn to save up and get the same result)
There's zero powercreep in genshin. Units (4* too) that were meta in the beginning like Bennett, Xingqiu or Xiangling STAY RELEVANT.
Kazuha who was released a year ago is still a top tier support.
Zhongli, Ganyu, Hutao - literally anyone is still relevant. The game is balanced.
Simping for gacha games. Yikes.
As a player who never paid a single cent into any mobile game ever (I've played like 7 gacha game in total), I've completed full star on Genshin's so called end game content (abyss) without paying a single cent. If that doesn't tell you it's not p2w, idk what will. There's no PvP in the game so no rush for leaderboard, play at your own pace, if FOMO got you hooked and desperate to become p2w then like what he said, it's your fault too. The game gives you option, and YOU choose it. Don't act like a victim.
That's not what p2w means.
@@mrcroob8563 A game cant be P2W without someone to win against.
@@epicgamersvv1582 if there is any in game advantage purchasable with real money it's p2w.
People have just gotten used to a certain level of exploitation so hey now defending it because it isn't "as bad" as even more exploitative games.
Pay to skip Is still pay to win, any advantage gained with real money is p2w.
@@benito1620 Whats the advantage? i can kill a PvE mob faster? that is just ego boosting and nothing else, its completely meaningless to spend money on a non competitive game unless you just want to collect characters.
@@benito1620 1. You don't need to pay to complete the current game.
2. there is no pvp.
The amount of people trying to justify the "free-to-play" gacha as a lesson for moderation (rather than what it actually is: a psychological manipulation for compulsion and conformist behavior) in the comments is just disgusting.
They are gambling addicts.
Been playing idle angels for 3.5+ years and and attack on time for 2+. the reason i play these is because you can actually get a decent amount of the resources for getting and leveling characters if you know how to play the game. Alot of gacha's will hardly give you any pulls after the few you get at the start to draw you in to buying more. i usually ever pay for in games is cosmetics.
To be honest picking Genshin to make and example for bad Gacha is done soley for the clicks, not for the argument.
Genshin does give you the opportunity to spend near infinite money on somewhat randomized content and considering the people vunerable for these kind of stuff it sure deservse all the criticism.
However Genshin is also always fair/transparent in what you buy and what it will or will not get you. While there are a handfull of currencys they all serve a clear purpose other than clouding your vision, and on Pulling the game actively removes them for you. You buy 1600 > you do a 10-pull. No other steps involved. So any complaining beyond that is just overdramatic misinformation for uneducated viewers tbh.
Also noone I know treats the gacha as... gacha beyond the 4*.
5* comes with pitty and you better win that coinflip, thats it.
So yeah, Genshin is pretty bad example to pick when talking about predatory gacha games, quite the opposite actually.
And this guy Atrioc, clearly never played it.
You can even test out the characters before you go rolling (which, also has a guarantee) and a lot of the time the way the character is built in the trial makes them worse than they actually are.
It still is aggregious. There are less aggressive gatcha games, but there are also ones who are much more aggregious compared to Genshin.
And it is still really good example for people that aren't familiar with gatcha games, as it shows how it works for one of most successful mobile game in last year or two.
@@friendlydragon1161 I mean, eventhough they arent build perfectly ist it's still fun to play them and makes you wish for them, too...
Genshin gives you a lot of free stuff so you get a taste of what it's like to pull for characters and even get some 5* ones.
If you get really invested in the game you are more likely to spend money on it.
The game does everything with profit in mind and thats also actually making a decent game. The game is fun and that gives them more money too. Genshin is the pinnacle of gacha games which doesn't mean you can't play or enjoy it but defending it is kinda, eh.
So a few things; yes genshin is for clicks, but because it is popular it is still by far the best choice to illustrate some points even if not applicable to a problematic extent within genshin itself.
If you played at launch, you would have seen many many people didnt understand pity, currencies(pulling wrong banner or farming wrong things), didnt understand how banners work etc-- and so just by existing, (even with good informative in game text) these systems brought up in the video did start off at the expense of random new people to the genre. The community itself is what quickly educated the general player base to see the do-s and don't-s of gacha and reveal how genshin does better than others/what to expect/how to not play yourself.
As a general education on gacha-design this video does its job. It initially keeps to one well known and documented example for viewer retention and shows where several gacha-techniques are applied. The video is not to discuss to what extent in the game the gacha-techniques are/aren't problematic as that is something specific to each game and the video is teaching the general ideas.
@@NotSkander You're right about the videos doing decent job on informing viewers about some the schemes going on in game montization. But bashing on the one that puts game before monetization for a change and therefore is hella succesfull just makes it alot less trustworthy in my eyes. In general it's a really surface level introduction with little more research done other than watching the famous gacha talk.
I just wish the reality was that when you buy a battle pass or spend any money on a game beyond the initial purchase was that you are funding the game so it can improve and become a better version of itself. Not so you can buy devs new cars and boats and houses they'd only use occasionally because they don't actually need them.
But I'm just some guy on the internet with an unfathomable dream.
this guy took the wrong game for example in this video.
8:13 is not the first thing they do when you log in tho, you have to search for top up, like in most of the games.
actually new 5 stars in genshin aren´t op, but the reason for this is, that they release a lot less characters in genshin then other gachas, therefor they make a lot of money with reruns, making newer units stronger then older ones would mean that people would never pick up rerun character and genshin tries to get new whales all the time. So what they do is change the endgame to always favour the curent banner character that way you always want the character on banner, but on neutral space most limited 5 star are close to each other on power level
Genshin is not pay to win. It can be expensive to get the units you want because you are gambling on getting the unit before the pity (I hate this word) kicks in. In the 2 years it has been around, the power creep has been kept to a bare minimum.
The endgame content can be completed in 15 to 45 minutes every 2 weeks, and while it favors the new units, it's not so skewed that older units can't compete. A buff for the new unit in endgame is also a buff for older units that utilize similar mechanics.
There are no leaderboards or ladders. You're only competing with yourself. Every unit is acceptably playable and can clear endgame content if you're willing to invest your time (not money but time) into the character. Free-to-play streamer Enviosity consistently fully clears endgame with the 7 characters the game gives you for free.
Genshin is pay for options in how you play, not pay to win.
Some people might see this as a bad take but I don't actually see gatcha as gambling because there is a guarantee of getting what you want at a certain point. Getting the character before pity is just good luck, but not expected.
Not all gachas have that guarantee
The brain sees it as gambling. Like literally responds to gacha in the same way as a slot machine. So the same potential for harmful addiction is there.
The crackdown is coming.
@@tom1234567890ve1 this is why all gachas needs to have a gurantee or els eits no different from gambling and should be regulated as such
Which is a bad take. The thing with gambling is that it’s not only limited to spending money to win money. It’s spending money AT THE CHANCE of receiving SOMETHING OF VALUE TO THE INDIVIDUAL in return. That is the true definition of gambling. The biggest keyword here is CHANCE.
I play gachas too and genuinely enjoy it but let’s pretend it’s not gambling. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, you can be sure it’s a duck.
That means that those 25 cent toy dispenser machines (aka Gachapons in Japan) are also a form of gambling. Those children games at the arcade that have a prize-also gambling.
@@TacticalDimples i agree with your comment, but i think you misunderstood the original poster, he said that he doesnt consider genshin gambling because after enough wishes, you get the character 100%, not spending money to win money.
Really hate loot boxes too. I just want to have that specific item/esthetics in a fixed amount so I won't feel bad having to spend that money on it because I know everyone who has it spent the same.
Genshin has guaranteed system. You are guaranteed to get the character you want within 180 pulls. It’s not endless spending if you know what the limit is.
There is always a complete new banner heroe with a slighly better kit kool design and new different style n animations 😂 So ur pretty delusional to say that the majority of players wont wanna pull or spend to get the newest shiny object of desire their Husbando Waifu 🤣💦
The thing about these games is the money you spend will never be enough and they will always work to find another way to get more money outta you.
Yep its the perfect cashcow
This video actually helped me realize I'm an achiever whale. I really do fork over money for convenience. Just 1 dollar won't hurt and it will make things go by faster. Hey where is all of my money? I see how I need to be more careful not to fall for it.
As a long time gacha game player, I can say this guy has no idea what difference between every gacha game and how it can make player (especially f2p) plan ahead should they play the game or not.
When we talk about gacha games, whale or not, first we look at how pity system works. many says these kind of games has no "price tag" on what you buy, hence its gamble and cost you much more than you'd expected which I quite disagree on this because most of player who (decided) to play these games took "pity system" as "price tag" for each character/weapon they aim for. to be honest I find it in gray area of gambling because its not like those casino gamble that never guarantee you anything and it never ends... pity system clearly tell you reward is there once you hit XXX rolls which can be translate to "how much $$$ you gonna spend". you just need math and calculator to check how deep money sink you're into.
of course, a single character/weapon that might cost 350$ (maximum pity+no luck, 350$x7 if maxout character in genshin for example) can be super F-ing expensive for so many people. yet it doesn't mean you're going to pay at maximum price all the time because you can be "lucky" sometime, especially genshin had hidden gacha mechanic that after 70 rolls (out of 90 pity) you can get SSR much easier each roll until you hit first pity which will 50/50 between banner SSR/non-banner SSR. If you lose 50/50 the first time ? next time you're guaranteed to get that banner SSR within next 90 rolls (70 rolls+ more chance mechanic still works). with these in mind you can see the ceiling of money you gonna spend there so that you can manage your free resources (which you get in game) and your wallet to plan ahead of whats coming to you (skip it or all-in)
Fate Grand Order (aka. the endless pit) never had pity/ceiling system until recently update. the newly added system aren't kind to your wallet either, as you will get only 1 SSR guaranteed within 300+30 rolls (900 gems which is 500$+ at maximum to get single character (need 5 to maxout) but guess what, if you can get ONE with in 300+30 rolls the pity system will be "REMOVED" entirely from that banner. which means whale who want to max out (need 4 more) will have to pull a non-ceiling/pity until they can get all of them. unlike Genshin, FGO pity also aren't carry-over to next banner so you have to do 300+30 within banner time period as well or else it will be removed entirely once next banner hit. F2P will also took at least half year to collect 900 gems. only good thing from this game gacha is that SSR rate is 1% which is still sucks (most of games these days including Genshin is 0.5%)
Some other gacha games approach with different pity system. for example, giving you gacha token for each roll you did (no matter you get SSR or not) and you can "exchange" for banner SSR at shop but you'll be need like 100-300 tokens to exchange for one (rate are different between games). although these type of pity system might look safer but actually the "price tag" for 300 rolls is much more expansive that any games that has limit 70-90 pity rolls if at worst case you don't get any SSR within that 300.
afaik, Tower of Fantasy took all these pity system into their game. they have ceiling pity, token pity, non-remove pity if hit SSR and so on and use them to appeal for drawing in gacha game players. doesn't matter if the game is good or bad. if pity system is "kind" enough, gacha game players will at least try it for sure.
the difference of these gacha pity system will effects f2p players as well as they can manage and plan for their limitted resources. If the game is "kind" enough with pity system and given f2p many resources for gacha during their playtime, it will able to drawn more f2p players to try the game which some might turn to dolphin, whale and so on.
In opposite, if the game took monetization super seriously (ahem, Diablo Immortal) and make high wall between f2p players and whales.... hell no, f2p or even whales (except for few one) from other games aren't going to play (or pay) it anyway just by hearing how bad monetization and pity system it goes.
The pity difference in games is huge
The reason i like Genshin compared to other gacha games is that I am not annoyed to enter the shop daily for rewards or claim claim buttons 50+ a day. Half the other mobile games are turn based menu simulators as well.
I don't follow FGO which I know didn't have a pity before but now it does. Now I am more informed about how shitty their pity system. It's an improvement but not much better I see
you ignore the fact that it's not necessary to max out a character in FGO unlike genshin, which you need 6 copies to get the full potential of your character genshin.
@@kuro_emiya in before, yes you're right.
but now with append skill system for each servants you're required to get dupe of them because even with max bond there are not enough token to upgradess all skill and character max level as to bring out "full potential" like you said.
if you're going to say append skills are not neccessary then its same goes to genshin character that C6 are not necessary because all characters are playable at C0 and the difference between C0 to C6 are just QoL or damage on some character but will not exceeding or more than 40% of damage increased iirc.
U notice the pity system is part of the predatory system right? By having a pity system, it forces players to spend to reach that pity system. It gives players the feeling that they aren’t wasting anything bcuz the pity system saves them. It gives players the relief with that pity system getting them to play more and pay a certain amount each time. Genshin is worse even with the pity system bcuz they barely give u gems. Genshin is infamous for the terrible anniversary gifts. I would rather play a game like Dragon Ball Dokkan bcuz they give u more than 200 pulls a month for free, compared to Genshin where u have to “save up”. Ur already trapped in the mind break.
@@chikobit3204
I'm agree with you that pity system is kinda FOMO for player who choose to pay. however I'm quite disagree on "forces player to pay" because that depends on how bad the wall between p2w and whale which difference in each games. If the game if f2p friendly they actually don't even need SSR to clear content (not talking about convenient or QoL). but in a game that powercreeps are heavy, or having PVP the FOMO for getting meta characters are strong and that will be like everything you said. I'm even skipped some characters on Genshin until they rerun (I'll just pull for my damn perfectionist collect-them-all sake if I have enough primogems at the time) because I can handle the content just fine without them. powercreep aren't change meta that fast in this one year.
I'm not defending Genshin or anything. I'm just talking about my experience playing many gacha games. I did main FGO while play Princess Connect:Redive, Granblue Fantasy, lot of DMM browser gacha games since before Genshin came out.
I play two accounts in Genshin (whale and f2p) and I can say Genshin is very f2p friendly that even meta support are full of SR instead of SSR. and that was enough to clear hardest content as spiral abyss. In FGO if you don't have god tier SSR caster (waver, arthuria, skadi) you're guaranteed to have horrible grind experiences in all content. whether its story progressing, even farming, mats grinding they'll took you more time and more sanity from you.
Genshin is an amazingly fun game even if you spend absolutely no money. You can complete the game and just about all of the content without making a single wish.
But here's a trick you can use if you (or you kids) cannot resist spending money:
Make your account on Playstation. (PS4/PS5). Then tie it to an email address for login purposes. You can then play the game on mobile or PC, but you will not be able to buy *anything* unless you do it on Playstation. Game will not allow any transactions unless they're done over PSN.
41:55 My first thought about the competing on skill thing was League. I feel like a lot of people that hate league hate it because in order to constantly win you have to be constantly better than the other players (although sometimes even that isn't enough) in champion skill, micro and macro, and general game knowledge. All this would require a ridiculous amount of time, where at that point you're no longer playing the game because its fun.
Honestly genshin is very F2P friendly, there's no leaderboards or PvP, you can still play the game with the free starter characters if u want.
I've been playing since launch and never needed to spend any money unless some character skin comes out in the future that I want.
The main reason why people spend money is cuz Hoyoverse makes the 5-star characters appealing with character trailers/demos and a story quest which often makes the character more likeable to people.
Really the biggest thing you gotta spend on in genshin is your time