Experiment: 3D PRINTED wheels on a real CAR
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
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In this video we show our first real test of putting a 3D printed rim under an old Mercedes. These rims, or wheels are printed out of ABS which is not the strongest material to print with. There's good reason for using ABS. I can gain experience with printing large parts out of difficult to print materials on my customized printer. It's also cheap to experiment with and if it works with ABS, chances are it will with stronger polymers as well! I've learned a lot from this experience and I wasn't prepared for this outcome!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:57 Pressurizing the tire
3:40 Sponsor
4:43 Improved design
7:01 Montage sequence
9:10 Putting it under the car
10:19 First test drive
14:45 Wrapping up - Наука та технологія
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This has been an insane journey and hope you like the video!
Hey, have you been hiding this video for 6 days ? lol
Thank you for the time stamps.
Honest comment: with all the issues I've seen with ABS and layer adhesion, I wasn't sure it would happen. Your construction, however, mitigates a lot of those issues and I'm impressed.
So... curious to see how it holds up to lateral forces on hard steering. I'd like to see it driven hard on a test course, if possible. (All four wheels printed, if possible.)
Layer adhesion issues can be mitigated with a heated or, at least, insulated chamber.
@@theofficialczex1708 they could be completely removed if he used salt annealing to re-melt the entire piece into a solid piece of plastic.
Hahaha this is such a wild project and love that you’re not given up on it!
Thanks Jessy! I was often close on giving up and I'm so happy how it turned out eventually!
I need Assist
Just a tip!
If you put 2 nuts next to each other on to the thread (counter nut) you can use them with a wrench or other tool to screw in the bars.
This way you won't strip the hole surface with the hammer.
Thanks! That'd make it even stronger I recon and ti doesn't damage the first pitch of the thread. Next time I also want to damage the thread where it goes in to make a stronger bond too.
You can’t screw in the bars like that as there bent unless you put them in straight and hope they bend as they screw in ?
Couldn’t your use through holes in the bend part and take solid bolts and put a nut on each end?
Normally you wouldn’t use threated rods for such use cases as they basically work like springs and the shear forces caused by the threat are pretty high
@@properprinting screwing a nut on top before you start hammering will prevent you from damaging the threads as well.
Good work getting this far with the project. I suspect that point loads (like hitting pothole or a curb) or side loads are going to break it - the weakest spot is where the bolts are holding the rim to a hub. It's probably going to get ripped from the bolts. If that holds the next issue is the heat from the brakes. If that rim survives I'm going to be seriously impressed and if not I'm hoping that's not the last iteration. Keep pushing boundaries.
I would print one more rather than three. Put one on each side (front or rear) and drive it somewhere that would see a variety of conditions. I' wondering how it would hold up when turning.
Congratulations on this success!
you know things are getting serious when he breaks out the Zwitsal
This is amazing, Jon. I'm happy for you. This has been a long project.
Next tests:
1: Full tire pressure (2.4 bars?)
2: Burnout on a paved surface. (I'm still a little concerned about the heat generation on pavement, though this is encouraging.)
I know its an old comment but a lot of cars actually have 2.0 bar as their rated tyre pressure.
Quite impressive results.
I think the problem may when riding quite long downhill - brakes may get quite hot and this heat can soften the plastic.
And the discs are going to conduct the heat right in to the rim..
I have been watching for a few videos, but this pushed me over the edge to becoming a subscriber! Your humor, engineering, stick-to-itiveness make these videos very entertaining. Awesome video and awesome result! We are all rooting for you!
Great video. Not quite as challenging as creating a rim, but I have just lost my 2nd wheel cover on my Peugeot Boxer van - so was thinking I might try and print some replacements - your video has inspired me to get on and do it.
Haha his reaction when trying to set the tires bead what priceless. Same reaction I had the first time setting a bead from the valve stem.
Love your videos man, they are crazy interesting and very fun to watch. Your face while you were filling up the tire was so funny :). Regards from Brazil!
Its been a year. Im eager for more rim content. 😂😂😂 Seriously Dr Zeus. Lets see it!!!
Well, your biggest issue has always been the rim splitting along that seam... When you went from your first to your second iteration you beefed the hell of every aspect of that rim when you did that despite that being the only spot that failed. That being said however, I think your new beefy design could actually be slimmed down some (if you are printing the thing solid... which I have no idea if you are or not) but will need testing. A lot of people are bringing up hitting the brakes for extended periods or hitting curbs or whatever, but honestly, I think the highest loading factor will be cornering.
If you put the rim back on the front of the car, and then subject it to large cornering forces... the spot where the lugs attach it to the car may end up being the weak point because of the immense leverage that is created on a rim. One "could" solve that with a metal plate on the outer surface of the rim acting as almost a clamp that some bolts would go through to sandwich the rim to the car and spread out the load... but honestly that really wouldn't be in the spirit of the challenge.
Something you "may" be able to do to increase the strength is to potentially figure out a way of printing the rim with some form of non plainer surface throughout the layers. So as the printer is making the rim, it is vertically sweeping the surface up and down as if its following a ruffled potato chip. In doing this you end up somewhat breaking up that fundamental layer shearing issue and gaining a bit of strength... but naturally no one has done this yet, you are limited (not you in particular but 3D printers in general) in how steep an angle you can run up and down along with how much change in Z can be done, and lastly, It would need an entirely new way of slicing to get something like this to work. But you seem to be a pretty talented programmer you might be able to pull it off!
One final thing I would also like to point out... if you had done this on a smaller car, honestly your first iteration would probably have worked and worked well. It wouldn't have been the strongest thing, but you could have at least driven around on it gently before it broke. Like I have a Honda Beat and I believe you have a Mini Cooper... either of those this challenge would have been a piece of cake... but, again... then it really wouldn't have been much of a challenge. So I commend you for getting this to work on a car such as this! This will open many peoples minds to the possibility's of what 3D printers are capable of!
I honestly was thinking about printing full blown fenders with something like a Hangbot 3D printer... never got around to it yet though so it has all just been a thought and concept.
i would say the biggest issue would be the lug nuts pulling through since they are the smallest contact points.
Thanks a lot for your insightful comment! I totally agree about the weak points you mention. I have some experimental ideas for increasing the strength in the Z direction. The extruder I recently made is the start of that project (and it's not continuous fiber printing since that doesn't add strength between the layers as far as I know). This will be a different project and I think I'll pick up the project rim with the newly gained knowledge and experience. Cool idea about using the Hangbot for that concept!
Non-planar 3D printing is a thing. ua-cam.com/video/km1lvuva5mI/v-deo.html
@@aarons7615 Yeah, testing will be required, but your probably right... granted the conical surface of the lugs does distribute the load very well, but is it enough... only time will tell.
That is freakin amazing, I did not expect it to survive a burn out. cannot wait to see you replace all 4 wheels with it!
I had a 100% confidence you'd make it this far mate. I've seen you bend the unbendable and figure out the unfigurable, so why not this too 🙂 Loved this 🙂
I gotta be honest, when you started I thought there was no way that would ever work. But boy am I so happy to be wrong.
So cool! That this project looked impossible made it spark my curiosity. My guess was that it'd fail at the first time steering and I definitely didn't expect this result! Especially considering this being ABS.
first video i saw of you guys. liked it really. greetings from the northcoast of germany
Working on a good rim has never been this exciting
You guys are absolute MADLADS and I love it. The lack of PPE is concerning, but I mean, you uploaded it, so you are still here lol. Amazing to see this come to life!
Would it melt when the disc breaks get hot
All in all you unexpectedly had a longer video than you thought you were going to make. Great deal, I was going to recommend some kind of nut with a flange on it to keep from pulling through. It seems the new print with threaded rod held up great.
You originally started with the one piece rim, than you splitted it because the caliper, with other configurations (cars model) could you avoid to subdivide the rim?
I'm wondering if the experiment can works also without rods and nuts...
What I like about this channel is that your not just printing silly little plastic crap, your actually experimenting with the tech
Badass dude! I knew you would get it to work. Really glad so be along for this journey.
I was certain you'd need some sort of ABS blend with extra PC for stiffness to pull this off. Impressive project.
Thanks! I wasn't so sure either xD
That's pretty impressive work.
The only issue I can see with it is that when slowing down fast, a brake disc usually uses it's wheel a bit like a heatsink. Without this thermal mass to dump heat into, the brake disc will take a lot longer to cool down. So repeated stops one after another will accumulatively raise the temperature of the disc much higher than usual.
I'm not sure what temperature it would take for the wheels mating face to turn back into molten plastic (and all the wheel bolts clamping force disappeared), but I'm pretty sure, whatever that temperature is, the brake disc could be pushed well beyond it.
You could fuse the layers by heating the complete rim packed in fine crushed salt.
Also when driving the rods in, use an angle grinder to cut a long slot into the all thread. The edge of the slot will cut the thread into the plastic while screwing it in. It will also hold glue to make the distribution in the hole better.
To bend the rod at exactly the right place, saw into the all thread 1/5th at that place. The rod is weaken there but its plenty strong enough for the surrounding plastic.
It's the steel reinforcement that made the difference. Awesome!
So cool indeed! This makes sure that the layers don't separate and I'm so happy that it just fits and works out this way!
I must say I'm truly impressed! You had a goal and you didn't give up. I believed in you and the project and it's so nice to see it succeed 😀
wow! I thought for sure it would break, but you made it work.
Sick Jon! Looking forward to the next video!
Awesome - your persistence paid off!
This is why I've decided you are MY FAVORITE UA-camR! You Crack me up my ribs are hurting from laughing!
I think another really cool application would be on off road recreational vehicles: 4 wheeler, dirt bike, side by side. It should come with it own unique challenges. A smaller vehicle might give you some wiggle room with the design considering your 3D printer bed's dimension limit.
You can get a cheap 4 wheeler and 3D print a whole set for it and see if it can take the hostile environment of off roading!
Also great work and awesome videos! Thanks for sharing this.
Sure in off road you can have huge bumps but i think first it needs proper testing on pavement that has great traction. That will put it on big test, specially with almost two tons of car cornering. If it can take that, then maybe try rough terrain and impact forces.
I wonder how light those are compared to the regular rims. Also I wonder if there is tougher plastic to use for this.
cam throw shot got you a follow that was funny perfect
Another well made video. Looking forward to the road test.
Wow man this is so much fun to see. Very impressed. Just insane how strong it is. 🙌
Wow!!!! This is an amazing experiment! I wasn't expecting the wheel to hold during the burnout high rpm. Mind blown!
Been watching these for so long now, lol. Seeing you get this far is both excellent and funny as hell 🤣
Dude I love every bit of this video. Such emotion!
Honest comment: this is one of those times where backyard ingenuity and experimenting may have actually unearthed an entirely new industry completely unrealised by anyone else. Abso-freaking-lutely fantastic.
Congratulations your hard work paid off.
I’m not sure but doesn’t DOT certification requirements have to be on all rims used on public highway? Does anyone have a answer?
I'm so impressed with how far you have gotten this project, and the beard too... I remember when there wasn't much.
Congrats man! That's some proper printing right there!
Have you tried longer bolts that would go through the rims? clamping pressure and maybe with thicker bolts. also smooth the rim out with acetone.
That's cool, man! Hope you get all 4!
i kinda want to see a gopro angle from underneath showing if the rim is deforming into the rotor or the caliper?
very cool video tho really like the idea of using the abs glue personally ... i think i wouldve tried doing this with a smaller car less heavy and such very very cool though!!
Honest opinion: yes I thought you would make it, the threaded rods solved your main issue.
Baking/reheating prints (whilst covered in powdered salt/plaster) seems to really bond layers together (CNC Kitchen has some videos on this).
Getting the rims to fit would probably mean needing to build your own kiln style oven (with firebrick and NiCr wire).
Does anyone knows, what was the final weight?
"How are you feeling about ehh ?"
"Meh ..." 🤣🤣🤣
This is one of the videos on which I can't stop laughing
I kept cringing waiting for it to explode lol Epic to see the car finally moving on it, very cool !
The nuts on rods are the weakest link in this right now. Any cornering forces could result in them working their way through. One though I would suggest is making that area conical on the rim plate then make the lug ‘washer’ that fits it out of a much more exotic 3D printable material.
It would function like a lug nut, or if you wanted you could potentially go make some metal ones which thread on and are one piece.
If the spirit of the challenge is 3D printing methods for the finished part then literally using lost-pla casting could give you some aluminum or other alloy parts.
Or if you take a look at same of the data of CNC kitchens results on threads. I bet if you reached out to him he’d be happy to test what the material load is on threads. Maybe you might be able to print some lug nuts that would hold up and spread the surface forces easier.
Edit… first time on the channel you’ve already talked to him already. Well I guess that would make this suggestion easier. Lol
Never doubted that you could do it. What an impressive journey to get to this point. Thanks for all the laughs.
This is amazing the bolted approach was defo a good solution
Next video 3D printed suspension haha
The only surprise to me was that you hadn't succeed sooner, made my day to see it in action!
congratulations! so impressed! well done!
Outstanding results !
Bad-ass! Gotta see how 4 3D printed wheels would hold up!
Is there an obvious reason I am missing to not have the threaded rod go through both halves with nuts holding them rather than glue?
haha really great to see! nice progress! I would have a stain in my paints from the first part, but the second one it took like a champ!
This would be insane in drifting
Congrats man!!
when can i buy a set?
This was an awesome project! Congrats on your success!!
Have you taken the rim off again? Is there really no visible damage / wear?
It has some minor marks where it wore against the brake caliper, but nothing major. Right now it's still mounted to the car to find out what it does over time.
0:43 “fuck yeah” cracks me up every time!!! Bring on the montage… (time of writing 1:20)
@2:43 ROTFLMAO. I'm glad I understand Dutch. Nicely done in the end.
What is the overall price of the rim? and time to print?
Zijwaartse druk bij een scherpe bocht of een rotonde is een i terressant testje! Ik had her eerlijk gezegd niet verwacht! Nice!
Ja inderdaad. Ik denk dat remmen en sturen tegelijk een uitdagende test zal zijn. Thnx!
How can i send you all my settings in cura so you can tell me what you think
Thanks dean
Very Cool. BigRep has 3D printed not only wheels but also tires. Automotive Design & Prototyping Studios have started doing this for show cars and motorcycles.
Ok, but why the granules g5 3d printer so different?
Your channel is awesome! Great job!
I almost thought you weren't gonna make it but then BAM, here it is. Also I love how you had to translate all the weird slurs we use here :P
this is a really cool project and great channel
Soo cool. If only you had the space to try to drift it. Keep up the awesome work.
MAking your own wheels is the sketchiest feeling automotive adventure. I made some steel ones once. The first few trips I drove clenched up, but they lasted until I got alloys.
Waiting for the highway testing ;-)
Having metal inside your tries sounds like a great idea 😄
The problem is that 3D printed stuff is weak on the layer boundaries. You have tried to solve this by holding it together with threaded rods, but that introduced some of its own failure points.
My solution would be laser/CNC cut two large steel rings (going around the wheel), which can spread the force of the nuts on the two sides.
This would be a mix of CNC and 3D print, but this way you can REALLY pre-tension the layers. The plastic can take massive amount of force in compression.
Maybe it was explained in some other video but why ABS and not something like CFNylon?
Good question! I used ABS because of a couple of reasons. The goal was to print large parts out of difficult to print materials and the rim is an interesting example. With ABS I could already tell a lot about the capabilities of the printer I modified and run into the challenges it comes with. ABS is affordable which makes it easier to play around with and if it works with ABS, it will certainly work with other materials. This way I have another ace up my sleeve so to say.
Should make a 100% infill tirel/rim combo with no air for drifting purposes
I think you should use a smaller rod for it that dont contact with hub with break disc.
after four rims? TPU tire?
yes i had faith that you woukd be ablento figurebit out and get it to work.
Alright then, time to make some rims for some big wide drag racing slicks!!!
0:13 : *sprays water on glasses*
"IS THAT A SCIROCCO !??"
1:35 : Of course it is !
What is the abs melting point? One 60-0(100-0kph) braking test will get enough heat to soften the wheel I think.
Congrats you did it! very cool.
Gaaf man, fantastische prestatie
maybe try to make a radiator it sounds like it might be a challenge
What a fantastic achievement! Great video!
Man, I love this channel.
I have a feeling that it will last until rough terrain or a ton of revolutions.
Love the attitude
SUCCESS this is a milestone in FDM end uses congratulations
also your pretty darn hilarious to watch keep up the great work
I am sooo impressed! so much work - you should be proud!
Russ from Ocala, Florida, USA