446BHP & 1000NM+ BMW 435d! 🥶
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- You've seen plenty of 30 and 35d's roll through our workshop and dyno, often with impressive power figures on a stock fuel system!
But what happens when we upgrade the fuel system? 🤔
Let's find out with one of the boldest looking BMW's we've worked on! 🥶
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someone must have extremely deep pockets because all that work with labor won't be cheap nice video 👍👍
Impressive figures, Keep up the good work lads.
Lot of money that for a small gain, but it bet it’s very quick, I’ll leave mine at stage 1 😂😂
Yeah tbh it should be around the 500bhp mark as people have been running this type of setup now for years.
@@piovo5222depends if you believe the dyno numbers
@@piovo5222there are so many BS Dyno numbers in the BMW game.
Wouldn't say 130bhp and 200 ft/lb increase is in any way a 'small gain'. The upgrades have a lot do with reliability as well as producing bigger numbers.
@@DarksideDevelopments like I’ve been telling you in the other comments the dragy runs prove the bhp levels
Bloody hell that "Paul" works like the clappers I hope my gaffer doesn't see this vid...... anyway enough of the silliness. Thank you for this, always good to see the workshop footage and a lovely car.
Loving the content with danny, he's a natural good stuff hopefully someday i can bring a car down to Darkside for the proper treatment!
As I understand it the torque figure is more important than bhp, at over 1000nm I think that's impressive
Correct this is my daily vehicle as i have a m2c thats stage 3 soo i asked more for torque then bhp and it flys from 50mph to 150mph
100%! It’s all about torque with these diesels. Also, bhp is pretty much just the equation Torque x RPM / 5,252. (To get a rough figure).
Props to DSD. Great content, and the video’s have an awesome vibe to them. Wish i would be situated closer to them…
@@dkhan3233you mind me asking what you paid for this service?
Belle vidéo 👌 😉
Sick
I'm disappointed, not one "Mental" in this post 😔
😁
Once again fellas, nice work 👍🏻
the contents better than top gear love to see a series like the cheapest drag car and 3 or 4 of you each get one and do your own mods on a budget then go to a 1/4 mile track and give them death
seems i'm pretty happy with my A6 BiTdi (CVUA) with my 420hp and 870Nm with only a Stage2+ tune on it 😅 still running EGTs with Darkside parts installed 👌🏼
never seen a BiTdi even close to those figures with only mapping.
@@Spannerface Engine itself is Stock 😉 thats why it's called a Stage2+ and not Stage1 mapping only... on stage1 you get probably around 380Hp without having DPF related Problems...
just for a example on Stage3 (like in this video) there are possible figures around of like 550hp and 1080Nm 😉 but then you'll also need a 90mm Dp because the Darkside one simply is to small for that... even on my tune i get a little bit of Boostcreep because of the flansh/pipe design from darkside 😅 so i'll exchange mine for a "better" one from polska
@@LaunchDiadem41which garage from PL ??
@@radoslawrojek7032 Software comes from TMR Germany (cb Tuning)
Bets its a really quick car in yhe real world, but as a 435d owner, i personally couldn't justify anything more tjan than a map like i have
Really needs the head porting to get any more out of them tbh, if you can get 400bhp out of a 1.9 tdi pd you should be able to get 500bhp easy enough out off them motors if the turbos is big enough.
makes me wonder how much power can be achived from the 2.0 version of this engine the 6 cylinder is basically just the 4 cylinder with 2 extra cylinders
@@kilner79 you can get 300bhp reliably out of the N47, you can do a bit more but tbh your gonna be sinking in to much money at that point.
If you are interested, Austrian tuner DiTuPa runs and German tuner As performance are the gods of n57 and run far over 600hp in these engines
@@piovo5222 Reliable and N47 can't fit into the same sentence. They're junk even when stock..
At that kind of torque arent the trasmission, shafts and axles at high risk of breaking?
Tune the gearbox on the bench, I do it all the time with my flex tool on jaguars , land rovers and other manufacturers that aren't bmw for xhp. Just remove the electrical plug and pin it, only 5 wires
A cooperation between you (Darkside Performance) and DITUPA would be very nice
We don't get awesome cars like that in the USA
Good results! I would have thought cams would make more of a difference, but seems oem is quite good then.
I guess the question is; a5 3.0tdi or 435d?
We often see 10-20hp increase with cams, oem cams can handle it though. Depends what you're wanting out of a car really. Both can get big power numbers, but it's easier to do in a 30d/35d. 3.0 tdi is a mega platform though and sound better ;)
Torque graph looks very nice! Question tho, what is the backpressure at higher RPM?Also, it seems to fall off at the top end quite rapidly. Should have plenty fuel with; pump/injectors/cams. So i'm guessing the big hybrid turbo is the limiting factor at high RPM?
It falls off rapidly because we're controlling exhaust heat, the backpressure at the exhaust manifold is 1.5 times higher than boost
@@DarksideDevelopments thanks for the response! 1.5x the boost is fine.👍 what EGT does it max out during a strong pull?
Also, i’m running m57 i know its not comparable. But what rail pressure is the n57 able to maintain with this power and these upgrades? Just curious about the platform!
Last question, do you offer remote mapping? My car is running “fine” with the current stage 3 map, but i’m seriously considering DSD for a remap. Engine has done 5k KM’s now, has all the upgrades required to push almost 500hp and 1000nm. I’m able to do proper logging using Testo, and i’m able to read and write the ecu. If yes, i will contact you private. 👍 Thanks for your time, i’m located in The Netherlands.
It was around 660 degrees in the downpipe. We do offer remote tuning, if you drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk with your vin number and we can help you out through there 👍
Would of expected more with it having fueling upgrades and other mods, theres 330d's in the high 400's and similar torque that are 10+ years older technology wise. Still wouldnt say no though, would be an amazing upgrade from my 320cd.
Keep your eyes peeled, we've got something coming for the 20d's soon ;)
When doing valve springs is it possible for the valve to fall into the cylinder?
Theoretically yes
It might be a daft question but when you removed the valve springs why didn’t the valves full into the cylinders? Thanks
Engine turned over till the piston is at the top
Was thinking exactly the same question!! 😂😂
Compressed air keeping them up
Uncle deans famous 🫶
What was the limiting factor? Besides the TCU tune. Boost? Fuel? Temperature?
Mainly boost, if adding more fuel it would then get hot.
@@DarksideDevelopmentsHow much boost you have here?
I have a x5 40d. Would i expect the same results if you guys did it
Should be similar results yeah, drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk with your reg/vin and we can quote power figures and costs for you
Interesting how most mappers with this type of setup can surpass the 500+hp but the "diesel specialists" can only get 446hp.
Dodgy dyno numbers, if they've been on the dyno at all, especially in the BMW world. We'll happily put a "500+hp" BMW on our dyno to see if it really does those figures
@@DarksideDevelopmentslet’s put mine on your dyno,when can i come?🤔 tuned by GKR performance
@@DarksideDevelopmentsi can bring my bmw and i will let you do the dragy numbers and dyno numbers 😀if you say all 500hp bmws are fake dragy numbers😀
What mods and car you have?@@karolismarcinkus3881
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Do you tunes Mercs ?
We don't unfortunately, just vag/bmw/mini/porsche
Darkside im in the market for a 435d xdrive but until i saw your 430d xdrive making even more power will i be saving more money getting a 430d to achieve your kind of power or should i just go with the 435d xdrive roughly what is the cost to get the 430d to this kind of power mate as i dont own one of these yet but need a pointer because i do want to get one and map it
Yeah, we've got more out of a 430 so far. Depends how far you are wanting to go with it. We have a blog on tuning the 30d's here - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/Blog/tuning-the-bmw-x30d-n57n-n57d30a-30-diesel-engine/
Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk for costs including labour :)
what kind of setup i have to be to achieve 350hp on diesel? i have now 2014 430d with tune and upgraded intercooler? and i want reliability too.
Drop us an email with your VIN and we can quote on what is required 👍 sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk
What's the limitation for more power on this
We are looking at a larger downpipe, bigger intake and possibly a bigger FMIC next. After that we might need to look at a larger turbo.
Did you mean nm not flbs?
No, Dyno measures in lbsft. In NM it's just over 1000Nm
Crazy!!! Be careful not to turn back time.
seems easy to get the 400bhp out of these but to get that extra 50 its alot of work unless somthing is holding this back?
We are looking at a larger downpipe, bigger intake and possibly a bigger FMIC next. After that we might need to look at a larger turbo
nice love how much work you guys put into develpment, @@DarksideDevelopments
I wonder what the cost per HP is for this.
factor in most of these upgrades are to hold the power plus keep the reliability !
@OfficialYeat I think a Stage 1 remap and maybe an upgraded intercooler to keep the temps a bit lower is the best value £ per hp. If you need more than that, an alternative platform is probably better value.
Is it worth all that money for an extra 80bhp or so?
The next one did better.
I'm wondering how many people will be beaching about you keeping the log manifold and how inefficient that's supposed to be..
What I'm really wondering about is how long wmi will last? I know this depends on the driving style and volume of the tank.
water meth is a waste imo its ok if you do 1/4 mile now and again or just a bhp booster on a dyno day other than that its really not worth it minimal power and you have to maintain it once had a check valve fail on mine due to corosion and it flooded the engine and another time an earth wire rubbed onto the chassis causing the pump to start working this was a devils own kit tho and i did email teh company about the major flaw that all it needed was an earth and the pump would start that emptied a full 5l into the boost pipe and again when i started the car instant hydro lock
its really not somthing i would ever put on a car again
With all due respect, thats put me off hybrid upgrade to be honest. I was under the impression that 500bhp was acheivable with hybrids, intercooler and the deletes. Mine runs 385 with just the stage 1.
Thats also a low stock figure at 302, mine (335d) put out 325 on standard map. Stock is booked at 308?
@@fathead1968you dynod stock 325 because that persons dyno is over reading by 20bhp as a stage one is usually around 360-370 which makes your 385 to about 365 which is about right? All dynos are different all read different.
@@piovo5222 Thats oviously a possibility, it would be interesting to put it on another dyno, although dynos should be calibrated. The map I had was from Celtic tuning and they actually claim 400hp from stage 1. They said mine didn't acheive 400 as boost was 0.2 bar down.
@@fathead1968They often claim figures that are bollocks mate to be honest
Don't think you'll achieve 500bhp with hybrids to be honest. I think you need a large frame turbo to replace the bigger one.
Tell all the other donkeys in the comments!
@@ryanp6138 Don't call us donkeys just because its your first time tuning a 35d to this level, many 35ds with over 500bhp with the same mods just different hybrids. Dragy proven as I know you could rig the dyno to make it pull over 500bhp.
@@piovo5222 free Dyno if it does 500hp
@@ryanp6138 get some dragy numbers as we both know dyno figures really mean nothing when comparing cars. That car ran these numbers at the same mods but dynoed 553bhp in 335d x drive.
0-100 kmh 3.02s
100-200 km/h 6.9s
1/4 mile 10.68s@206.7km/h
@@piovo5222 but you are slating our figures?
best part 10k for 40bhp over stage 2?
isn't stage 2 like 380bhp one these people just quote 400bhp cause of dodgy dynos.
@@piovo5222I thought stage 1 was around 380bhp ?
Jesus Christ
@@callumcurtis15 my 640d which was stage 1 dyno’d at 384.6 BHP Dpf and egr everything was still in place it’s exactly the same engine as this only thing changed was the gearbox and engine map
@@rytiskurcinskas7179there are wild figures quoted all over the place for BMWs. We thought the VAG market was full of BS until we started on BMW
why did you upgraded the turbos if the stock 35d turbos will flow 450bhp? you on baby boost
who says stock make 450? not us
Stock turbos make 380-390hp max
My f10 535d got 410hp with turbosystems stage 1 turbos and 3 bar of boost and car already smokes a bit so what are you talking about😅
Should rebadge it "445d"
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Torque converter? Is the a G series then? I get confused with the non M3/4 models not having the horrific new grilles... As the E/F had 8 speed dct zf didn't they... So annoying the chinese moaned about 'violent' fast shifts of a dual clutch and now they have laggy torque converters... This'd be so much faster with a dct sigh.
It's an F series with a zf8 and torque converter. Gearbox tune helps with the shifting making it quick and smooth
@@DarksideDevelopments crazy I thought F would have been dct? did they only do that on the petrols/certain models then? or purely true M cars? sneaky swines!
Yeah, believe it was just the M3/M4's etc that had dct
@@otacon4065ZF 8 torque converter is superior to the DCT in a diesel, much more cheaper to buy, more reliable and they hold more power stock. Few other things also.
the new m cars all have the zf box they dont have dct anymore @@otacon4065
I don't mean no disrespect to the owner at all, but im quite disappointed and flabbergasted with the figures, doesn't make sense!
We too were hoping for more, but this is development. You cannot know the limitations until you try to surpass them. The customer was happy to trial these parts and in the end was ultimately happy with the performance of the car.
@@DarksideDevelopments absolutely agree, don’t know until you try 😃
1000nm of talk though that is still a very good increase from 750ish with stage one even though the horse power didn't go up from 370bhp ish with stage 1 . Still a decent improvement and I bet you can rely feel the shove from that now . Omg 1000nm would love to test drive that .
Every build is their own but I could never bring myself to run meth injection on anything - straight boost/tune for me please.
Bring back Ryan or Scott
They're both the same person really
When the time comes, Ryan will appear on your screen. But Danny will still be there too
Is it really worth stressing these N57 engines?. I see M57 cars holding their money for what they are, E6x, E9x 535d, 635d and 535d all fetch a pretty penny due to the reputation the M57 has for durability once you take the swirl flaps out of the equation.
However I hear the bottom end is a bit weak on the N57 engines, coupled with the timing chain failures, hence the reason fancy 6 series 640d's are selling for stupidly cheap money vs their E63 635d counterparts.
If I had one of these N57 jobbies I would be leaving it standard and dropping the oil every 6k miles to try and prevent the disaster of spun main bearings and chain failures.
We've done a few high powered N57's now and not really had any issues with them. A couple of them have been driven for a good few years with over 1000Nm torque and are still holding strong so