BMW M57: Diesel's Best Kept Secret
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2022
- So, while the US majorly lacks on the diesel car front as compared to the many other countries, the BMW M57 is a glimpse of what we could have if we adopted diesel cars.
The performance is great, the tunability is nearly on par with the N54, the reliability is superb especially for a BMW product, and efficiency blows BMW gas engines out of the water.
In the US we almost exclusively see diesel engines used in heavy duty applications like Ram trucks, GM trucks, Ford trucks, and so on.
While the M57 is vastly different than many of those engines, it certainly deserves more recognition as a well designed and powerful little engine that represents what German diesel engines are capable of as compared to American diesel engines.
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I’d like to hear your style of deep dive on Ej engine family. Or has the ej horse been beaten to death…
Volvos D5 would be interesting
you need to do the BMW N57s tri turbo or the b57s with the quad turboset up. These things make crazy power.
Maybe Toyota made diesels? I saw people swap their FJ40's with the engine from Toyota Dyna for their off-road fun
the granddad of oe diesel car manufacturers Mercedes Benz. om613 om617 om60x line om648
Those m57 engines are like a piece of history for BMW. In Europe people with Nissan Patrol (and similarities) swap the engine for those m57 diesel ones. The torque of those engines are just so great
'Cause they're idiots. The OM606 is better and with 0 plastic
They are starting to become more common in Australia now as well, the patrol is one of the best 4x4s we have but the engines are garbage so the landcruiser has more of a following having the diesel v8.
@@owenbigdinthelee9752 i got a zd30 sitting at 400,000km. Seriously considering getting an m57 if my engine ever dies
What’s a drive in drive out conversion worth roughly speaking.
Yes I'm in the UK and I'm currently fitting a m57 engine into my mitsubishi shogun mk3.
Such a diverse engine
The Mercedes OM606 diesel was another great engine too. Also known as the 2JZ of the diesel world.
It truly is an amazing engine, the only downside it has is the fact that it's an IDI engine instead of direct injection.
But besides that, it might be (one of) the best diesel engines ever produced.
@@maxvandenbergnl even 648 is better
@@maxvandenbergnl what makes the 0m606 special is the fact it can rev high like a gasoline engine
@@maxvandenbergnl that downside is its upside since allows for 7+K rpm redlines, perfect for drifting
@@vladkruglov7719 for drifting you want wide PERCENTUAL powerband, not high rpm. This is why engines such as NA V8 LS is usually swapped into light chassis.
This i just an example but
1000-4000 band is better than 4000-7000.
With the right gear the 1000-4000 will pull from 40kmh to 160kmh, while the latter will only do 40kmh to 70kmh.
Had an E39 530d with the m57 and yeah this engine is a masterpiece. Awesome dynamics, economical, reliable, very smooth for a diesel engine like all and it sounds pretty decent as well.
It's still one of the best cars out there, also...lots of extras that some of the newer cars don't have.
And fewer components to delete
That's the D30 without the piezo electric injectors, still a beast and is the better more reliable variant.
Had an E39 525d. Great car. Had 375000km on it when I sold it, and that is considered low as I see M57 E39’s with 500000km+ coming on for sale regularly. Only sold it because the rust started to get out of hand.. they love to use salt where I live. I’ve got a E61 525d LCI now with 230000km on it, hopefully I’ll be able to make that a high mileage hero too in a few years!
@@jgripen969 My mileage was probably tampered with, no idea on the real number. Ran like a beast but sold it because I wasn't gonna invest thousands ij it to get the rust sorted and overpainted as well. such a shame
M57 the noise it makes from 1st gear (auto)to second (0-10mph) is unreal.
especially with downpipe
@@jankowalski1585 not really I'm basing it on noise from under the bonnet not exhaust.
I really love the nocking sound when its cold started in winter season 🥰 (not sarcastic)
@@quadracer567 I've got an e53 with a m57. Started it in an underground parking lot the other day, got some weird looks from lady in the car parked in front. She had some audi with a gas engine and you only heard it ticking like a sewing machine. Stock M57 startup and idle is rather loud and quite glorious.
I had a straight piped 330d (N57) and it sounded incredible
Folks, I have 535d for 3 years. Now it has almost 400k km and a chip up to 350hp. I should say that it's very reliable engine and also 6hp28 transmission.
Consumption is about 6L per 100km on the highway and 7-8L urban.
Transmission can be easily remapped with original sport transmission software (equipped by default from 2008 and with 2TB option) or with xph. Both are great.
Huge amount of torque already from 1300 rmp.
Do you have timing chain issue like the newer N47 engine bro?
@@arafkyi no timing chain issues for now.
Mines LCI 525d 2008 so will updated transmission think it’s 6hp19?
@@eddy45686 yes, it should be 6hp19
Chance the chains!
I have owned my 330d M57 for 12 years…never missed a beat. Sat on 206,000. Same cam chain, 280BHP
I met a woman with an X5 35d the other day while fueling up. She and her husband both own M57 X5's, both have been extensively tuned and exhaust deleted. It sounded absolutely glorious when she pulled out.
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto why
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto delete this comment for your own dignity
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto Shitty joke, but yeah I overreacted sorry
Oh she sounded glorious when she pulled out huh
Diesel sounded glorious? Haha, good joke!
I have an E46 330d. Amazingly reliable and powerful. Doubt I’d ever get rid of this car.
Same man!💪🏽
yea I have an 04 bmw e60 530d can say the same will drive it till the wheels fall of
Thats what i like to hear!🔥
you will when the subframe rips out of the body lol
Does it ever have the timing chain problem like the N47 engine?
My 335D is gutted, deleted, trans tuned, ecu tuned, flaps deleted, and it ran a 12.1. Stock turbos, stock injectors, and stock fuel pump. I’m upgrading to the R90 pump, larger injectors, hybrid turbos, and NOS next season.
Can I suggest a LPG or LNG kit ? It will result in more homogenous burn of your fuel limiting stress on the engine and extracting more energy out of the diesel you'll dump into the cylinder. Also if you will use liquid phase injection, you will get additional charge cooling allowing you to crank up the turbo even higher. Yes you will not get same power boost as a NOS, but you will be able to fill up 50L tank for less than a single bottle of NOS and use it on the daily basis making you ride cheaper and more efficient at the same time. Another side benefit is that when mixing with LNG / CNG it dramatically limits the soot output, so yeah, maybe you won't be able to do funny "running coal" but at least you'll be less likely to get in trouble with the fuzz.
Might want to look into dual pump setups, the R90 puts stress on the timing chain. A secondary R70/R90 is mounted via belt instead.
Power? Finding that time hard to believe
@@adam2jzzz801 right now I’m currently just north of 600lbs tq and a little above 400whp. Tuned by Kassel Performance
@@adam2jzzz801 I've ran a 12.2 @ 114mph in the 335d I had back in 2015. It was just deleted with some meth. Much easier to get those times now than back then.
Running an e91 335d m57.
Pushing a smokeless 480hp and 1000nm😎 Stock bottom end, and stock trans with a custom map.
Fresh engine only done 7000 km as we speak👌
480hp from a 3 liter diesel with no smoke well done BMW! Proper engineering right there.
Some diesels roll coal stock because they are dinosaur junk
No way with stock turbos
@@marioslipsos7756 never said that. Hybrids
@@bartselter5332 still reliable after such crazy tune?
@@adrianp4590 it is very reliable! I only do about 5000km a year, but i change the oil regularly every 6 to 8 months. Running 10w60 because of the power and it running a bit hotter than stock!😁
Much needed video for the amazing M57
These cars are everywhere here in 🇬🇧 We have a ton of ‘performance diesel' cars here. Lots of people like the torque and boost when you get on it, and the calm low revs from the engine while cruising on motorways. It is turning over like on idle. This particular m57 engine from bmw is by far one of the best. Very easy to make big power with bolt ons and tune. Not hard to find these engines still very happy with 200k miles and up. The reliability is incredible.
I got one in my x5. Really love it, you only touch it a bit and it flies. Only problem, you don't get the speed experience as a gasoline car. But for road trips it is really great
Great review. As an owner of a 2011 335d M Sport since 2013, I absolutely love my diesel sedan. The car is efficient, luxurious, quiet, handles exceptionally well for it's weight. It has been one of the most reliable BMW's I have owned except for the emission components, harmonic balancer, and glow plug module. They are guaranteed to fail around 100k or less unless your driving this car on the highway 90% of the time. The carbon buildup is a serious issue as well in stock form. Despite its shortcomings, the torque, horsepower and mileage are addictive and cannot be compared to any high performance sedans including M cars in the BMW lineup. Having deleted all the components that break down along with a reputable tune, the car is so much more reliable, quicker with improved fuel economy. BMW hit a home run on this motor but the EPA ruined the wallet experience.
You where lucky . You have no idea how many customers recieved bills upwards of 6 K to keep this engine running . In the end of the day economics killed this engine for the high mileage drivers . Also alot of welfare people own these now and yeah 😂🤣 i keep finding not even mechanics will buy this vehicle situations 😂😂
It's the n57 on LCI version :)
@raphaelrichard92 not the US they never brought the N57 over here for the E90 chassis.
DPF and EGR delete it
Great video, you’re totally right about the M57 engine. Im in the US, What about the M57Y engine? I have an X5 35D 2011, all deletes have been done, active and passive def tanks are now methanol injection, Engine tune, trans tune, it’s an absolute rocket ship, with 35mpg. No idea what real power numbers are, but it seems happier without all the restrictions. Only problems I’ve ever had with it, are it eats water pumps even with upgraded metal impeller, and also thermostats. I’ve never seen a mechanical water pump actually explode, and eat both belts, several times. It seems they only can go for about 30k miles. I own several BMW’s and this one is my daily, commuter, about 1000mi per week. 160k miles total, and still puts a smile on my face. Most reliable BMW I’ve ever owned. It sounds like an old 7.3, but still luxurious inside, just keep the windows up at red lights, she got a lil coal outback.
Shame you didnt mention the E46 and E39 in that list. The 330d and 530d can be real monsters. Theres a guy running almost 300hp and 750nm on a stock 3 liter in an E39 here. Real cool engines
I plan to get a tune from a very good guy here in germany, he can push the M57N (204hp) to around 270hp and, depending on how I like it, upwards of 600Nm of tourqe.
The maximum with a few upgrades to the CR pump and injectors is around 400HP and around 1000Nm (which is plenty of tourqe). :D
@@jensharbers6702 very nice! Itll be a rocket already at 270hp haha my 540 could barely keep up with that 530d i mentioned 🤣
@@y0Special i have driven quite a bit an e46 330d. gapped an f11 530d by a bit. both stock. lovely engine, and the chassis/stock suspension combo can handle pretty good drivers on the twisties. best bang for the buck car.
He didn't mention it because the only M57 worth tuning is the M57TU and M57TU2, if you want 300+HP it is cheaper to swap standard 184hp M57 with a M57TU than modifying it
I’m currently building E46 330xd (M57N) with easy map for 370-390 HP 750-800Nm (engine output), very reliable, non smoking setup. Keeping catalytic converter (high flow 100CPSI). “219” injectors, “R90” fuel pump, custom hybrid turbo, better valve springs, 3.5” down pipe, 3” exhaust, custom air intake with K&N cone air filter in place of washer fluid, custom aluminium washer fluid reservoir, Intercooler 600X300X76MM, custom high flow exhaust manifold. Possible output around 450-500HP and 1000Nm, but that would not very reliable for long trips and also high EGT without ethanol injection. So basically I’m aiming way below of possible tune, to keep it reliable, user friendly, passing exhaust fumes test for technical and road inspections. Also tinkering with longer gear ratios for higher comfort while cruising on autobahn. All mods to be done by best tune guys from Poland, then full high end car audio, sound deadening everywhere, from wheel arches, hood, firewall, floor, pillars including roof, acoustic windshield and arranging custom order for all glass to be acoustic and heat blocking all around - hopefully Pilkington or Saint-Gobain Sekurit can make it for me! Full undercarriage restoration including new Bilstein B12 Pro Kit, upgraded brake system, all polyurethane bushings, anti rust protection, very expensive Bi-LED lights so it won’t affect other users but will improve my vision by a lot, full detailing, ceramic coating, Styling 216 18” wheels on best UHP rubber etc, etc, still long long way to go :D
For anyone with an e39 530D.. the turbo from an e60 530D is a lot bigger and bolt's straight up to the e39! Just file the corner off the engine mount bracket for clearance 👌🏼
Cool, What sort of power gains can be made from this?
@@weeevilswine no idea on figures, sorry! I've fitted the turbo and still to have it remapped. Power gains are already noticeable though and it whistles it's little tits off 👌🏼
I bought a new BMW 335d in 2011 and it has been AMAZING! Thanks for reviewing the engine.
Auto or manual ? Standard or not ?
@@muckle8 Always auto. Couldnt get them with a manual, supposedly they didnt have a manual box that could take the torque.
@@GoldenCroc They do come as a manual in Europe maybe not in the US
@@muckle8 Automatic. It was only sold as an automatic in North America.
@@MrClarck100 Not a 335d with M57 doesnt, anywhere. Dont know where you got that from, 330d and below did, but not 335d.
I have an X5 2006 e53 with a M57, its simply a beast (350k km) averages 41 ~ 43 km/gal on highway .... egr delete & intake flap delete, added a extra oil cooler radiator and preparing to change to a cp3 pump (still have some leaks of oil here and there... normal on a BMW), but it still rocks, Im not a mechanic, but im the one that services the engine so far (6 years) .
This is THE MOST slept on diesel we got in america from a european brand. This past summer I went to Mexico for a bit and ended up running into 3 335d’s and an X535d and they were the coolest cars there without question. The stock one could keep up with a 2019 Accord Sport, and the most modded one was kicking 400 whp 700 lb ft. Boy was that thing quick. One of the coolest encounters i’ve had and turned me into these. It’s just too bad there are like 500 total in America
I drive a cayenne S, it has a 4.2liter V8 TDI audi engine, chipped to 455hp 950nm torq. 8-gear auto Transmission. Verry reliable. Its a beast. Seriously worth looking into but ill guess there aren't many outside of europe.
@@hansturpyn5455 Doesn’t really fit the bill of what I want to be honest, Diesels are at their best when it’s a straight six. No one does straight sixes like bmw so combine the two and it’s a recipe for something I’m bound to love.
Plus my heart lies with the V10 toureg, id rather have that headache personally.
@@natexthomass Audi V8 4.0/4.2 diesel is also an masterpiece and very reliable. On par with M57.
I have tuned 535d, ~400hp+crazy torque. Using it only as summer car now.
Got an e39 530d, when I took it to the mechanic for a check up, he said this is the best engine I could have gotten for this model and/or generation. The m57 is timeless
Khmmm... The best are the M52`s. U can stroker it if u want, put an M50B25 intake manifold on it or u can fit ITBs. These period was all about NA petrol engines not turbo "traktor" engines. I am not saying the M57 its not a good engine but definitely not the the best.
Ive had a 335d since 2011, had the deletes done back when the car was at 18k miles. Now, in 2024 the car has about 65k miles and I havent had an issue with it. Might be selling it soon.
Hi guys. i am a proud owner of a 2005 X5 E53 6 speed manual with the m57 engine. 218hp stock remaped to 295hp and 800nm. It is at 530k km and still going strong, no majore problems with the engine. Consumption is about 9.5L urban and 6-6.5L extraurban. Verry reliable engine. I highly recomend it. Congrats on the video. Verry precise and helpfull. Keep up the good work
I've got a 335d. The transmission tune negates any slow shift complaints from me.
I have the Rod Sutphin tune on mine. It fixed 75% of what was lacking in the stock tune. The main part is the torque limiter allows for much more torque on gear changes that it feels closer to a stock ZF8 tune compared to the stock ZF6 tune.
Which tune do you have? Also, do you sometimes have a clunk between 2nd and 3rd gear?
@@991PDX You may want to search ZF6 solenoids, seals, sleeves, and/or valve body. Replacing one or a combo of those usually addresses symptoms such as what you're experiencing.
@@991PDX I had more a jolt between 2nd and 3rd when higher up in the RPM's. Did a full trans service replaced valve body and all solenoids and it has not shown itself since. Another common issue I've heard about these wonderful cars is the torque converters exploding when bumping the power up so that's something to be mindful of as well make sure your trans is getting proper maintenance.
Also check out xhp software
Someone recently made an 8-second quarter-mile 118d with this engine swap, stock internals 1020hp 1100ftlbs (I think, lol, it was 1600nm)
those poor stock internals
Was it stock block?
We pull a vintage Airstream with out ‘12 X5 with all the works. It sounds awesome and the Mrs is constantly grinning at guys loving the sound of it.
Super reliable once the goodies are on. And great MPGs
Tis a heavy lump, particularly the cast iron block.
My e91 would chew through the tyres and bushes up front like fire and warp brake discs for fun, don't get me started on the understeer.
Over the last couple of years I've worked at getting the front end planted, Bilstein B6's, Eibach springs, 245s on 9Js, Proxes sports, 335 brake conversion, fully poly bushed..
A different animal now. Mapped at 600nm, six speed manual, bigger SACHs clutch, she goes well for a nineteen year old car, Ive never once felt like I'm desperate for more power. I drop the oil out every 5k and she just keeps going.
A truly legendary engine.
Great video thanks….loved the m57 but so far my later model n57 is performing well also, slightly more fickle timing chain so oil changes need to be kept frequent to hopefully will avoid stretching
Some points came to my mind. On the cylinder head N57 (not M57) engine pictured. Intake manifold swirl flaps are not plastic, they metallic with a rubber surrounding (N57 flaps are plastic). Regarding HP pump M57N2 (N=TÜ) does have CP3 R70 pump, but the previous M57N has CP3 R90. The pollution system on US versions is much heavier than on Euro versions which don't have low pressure EGR or SCR cat. I don't see piezo injectors problematic even though they can sometimes suddenly fail if the piezo element shorts internally. The speed and accuracy of piezos is superior compared to solenoid injectors.
I have the e46 with stock 201hp engine, with some chip tuning and etc, is starts overheating - no problem, oil overheating - no problem, but how is said in the video biggest problem is the valve springs, flaps and for me have one more problem is fuel overheating. That you starting to feel after good burnout or small, short distance driving higher RPM.
Very good explained in the video big like for you man!
Very informative. Thank you!
This engine has been the base block for some Yanmar Marine engines for years. This is a proof of high reliability...
All M57's after the M57D30TÜ 215hp/218PS 268hp/272PS are with an alluminium cylinder block, piezo-electric injectors and a weaker timing chain. I personally think that the most sought after engines are the 218PS and 272PS since they are the last engines which have a cast iron block, stronger timing chain and standard magnetic fuel injectors, that are not problematic as the piezo ones.
What about the 150kw/204hp engine that was in e46 face lift?
The aluminum block itself isn't a concern to me it makes the engine lighter and if it blows up at 1500nm and 700hp so what if you keep it civil the aluminum block should be fine.
I honestly dont think there is a reason to go crazy with power tuning on an M57 they are powerful engines stock and I would be content with ~300hp.
The aluminum block does have standard cast iron sleeves right? None of this plasmawelded on coating crap (they call it Nanosil I think)?
Piezo Injectors are just crap I would certainly avoid those. They fail left and right.
BMW just changed the current B57 back to standard magnetic injectors and it now has steel pistons instead of aluminum.
Thats honestly a bit scary if I had a pre 2022 B57 I would want to know if my engine has inferior components because you dont just change pistons and Injectors for no reason.
@@6gogix9 that was the best engine simple map and you've got 300bhp
@@damiankrys9888 nice
@@6gogix9 Yes, that is one of the most reliable diesels they have made, a remap and you have more than 250 at ease.
Great review; I have a 2010 335d and it's a monster platform. Thank you!
Some addition:
- 306D1 and 306D2 have 24kg weight crankshaft, all the newer have 20kg crankshaft. With this much weight difference the revving is faster in the newer, but this is the thing why D1 and D2 doesn't really break the timing chain, and newer models do.
- In all the M57 versions the crankshaft's idler bearing is fitted in precisely and metal supports metal, not just the bolts holding it in place, and this feature keeps the crankshaft away from vibration, so crankshafts won't break.
- In E39 and I think E46 the automatic gearbox (made by GM) can't keep up against any tune, remap, or anything, it's barely enough for the stock torque.
The manual gearbox of M57 is a very massive reliable one, usually used in 2JZ Supra builds.
Finally a wish fulfilled. This amazing engine needs to be known more.
No it needs to stay a secret ^^
@@berjerk3425 agreed i’ve been planning to buy a 335d
I've got an 2005 e61 535d, with the older 272hp cast iron block m57d30tutop, some say its better, less problems with the chain, better cooling, r90 fuel pump as standard, just as easy to tune, and sounds great with the right exhaust. The only issue I see with them, is the lack of LSD, which costs about 1000-1200$
How and why is the cooling better if I may ask?
@@GoldenCroc i am not a 100% sure how, but something to do with the oil distribution, and the fact the aluminum block is easier to overheat, as well as if one of the injectors fails, it burns a hole in not just the piston, but the block aswell.
Thank you for finally making a video on this engine.this is my dream BMW engine. I have been trying to get the money together to throw this into my wagon. It will destroy all
Man i was waiting for such a video for ages. ❤
n54 owner in the US, aint never lost to no 335d... but they are cool. a can tuned stage 1 335d is around the performance level of a stock n54, and a healthy fbo stock twins n54 will roll off on anything the stock cp3 can put to the tires. Just putting that out there, sure its sort of in the ballpark and it might beat a stock/gate rattling n54 on a 60 roll... but lets be real here. If you want 600whp you are better off on an n54, simply due to the parts availability/cost here. A 600whp 335d setup will be a ton of labor/custom parts, probably cost a total of 2-3x the equivalent n54 build from stock to goal.
Real spill
but the m57 will be realiable at 600hp, even up to 800hp with the right supporting mods
@@maltepettersson3083 the n54 does that too. The limitation isn’t connecting rod size, because it can spin a higher rpm it doesn’t need to make the insane torque the m57 needs to make to create 600hp. A stock bottom end n54 will do 650whp all day with good cooling / setup.
@@maltepettersson3083 n54 reliable at 600. Also big factor is money. Like dude said. You’ll spend way more
@@BimmerMafia n54 reliable at 600🤣🤣
Fuel milage pays off the price difference
Couldn’t agree with you more I’ve got a 335d B57 tuned to 400bhp 850nm torque and absolutely love driving it. They are truly awesome engines
In Europe, we mostly drive diesels. In our family, we have had BMWs for long time. They have been very very reliable cars for most of the time. I used to drive E60 with M57 diesel, had it modified to 300+ hp while maintaing 850-1000km per tank. What a machine it was. Also dad used to have X5 with M57, prefacelift E70 30d, facelift E70 30d had been with N47, great car too but had carbon issue at 180k (covered under extended warranty). He has now X6 F16 40d - also great engine, 320hp. Those diesels are masterpiece of engineering. Not to mention 50d with 381hp by default.
nice one. m57 an n57 is a powerful beast
I have an e90 325d (yes, 3 litre) m57 since new in 2007. 164k miles, still pulls like a train. Love it. Edit: and I still get almost 50mpg out of it.
Watch our for timing chain tensioners !! Mine M57 died because some batch was done with less quality material. At that time engine was on stock tune. I have had E60 525xd, also 2007 facelift model - 145kw stock.
@@p2p104 Thanks for the tip. I have an ex BMW mechanic who does all my major jobs (do my own servicing) and he doesn't seem concerned, but I'll ask next time I see him. The timing chain is at the front isn't it? If so doing the work shouldn't be too hard for him.
Mine had 300k miles and pulled 1ton of wood in trailer fine👍
Great informative video! And the US they only made about 12,000 of the 335D, I have a 2010 sport and haven't enjoyed a car this much in a while, one of the best all around vehicles in my opinion, simple delete with a downpipe and tune on methanol, makes 370 WHP and 580 torque without meth injection. I'm at 208k miles and get about 42 MPG average, highest was 52 MPG on a full highway trip
DAMN
@@roboticvenom1935 I ran a 7.7 in the 8th mile on 2-year-old all season tires lol Now that I have a bit stickier tire I'm sure I could get a low 7 second pass which would be under 12 seconds in the quarter
@@Wickit96 that's top tier! I recently ran a 11.9 quarter in my mk7 GTI stock turbo on e55 w/ meth, pulls like a horse on meth. If I was rwd I could only imagine what time I'd put down.
You reckon you'd gain a few tenths on meth? I find it more consistent
@@roboticvenom1935 surprisingly I haven't done any with the meth kit on, it would leak from the line and I didn't want to have it all over the track or have the line let go and make it even worse, so I'm excited to see how it does when I go back
@@Wickit96 When I ran meth vs no meth at the 1/4mi I gained about 4-5mph trap. This was with a 2011 deleted 335d with a BPC tune and 100% methanol back in 2015. 12.2 @ 114mph was my best run.
I have a 2015 x5 35d now {owned over 40 cars personally) and this is by far the best... Super smooth, unreal power... Four adults and gear, and you fly up hills like your in a sports car. And the mileage, 8.6l per 100km... And that's city driving!
Have it on my x5 e70 really great engine with amazing performance and sound .
All of the E70 enthusiasts love and know about this engine
I have M47 in my 2006 320d E90 saloon and my 2006 E91 320d M Sport. Very efficient and reliable engines that perform amazingly well with just a basic remap. They are annoying to work on, just to change the air filter or crank case breather is a pain in the ass as you have to remove a load of stuff.
Does it ever have the timing chain problem like the N47 engine?
I love this engine, great content
U forgot to mention the Opel Omega B2, that has an M57D25 (150HP ,300Nm factory) that was only built for this very car by BMW :)
I have a e39 530d with the original m57 193hp and it just runs to the moon and back. Its not the best for power but in stock or little tuning it just works.
I've bolted an e60 530d turbo straight onto my e39 😎
@@Jon.the.painter yes you can but the e39 needs more then a tune if you want good power. The newer m57 with a tune make good power allready.
@@TheNizz95 absolutely. Still a good mod for the older generation
@@Jon.the.painter yes it is. The e39 original turbo runs out very quicky
@@TheNizz95 tell me about it 🤦🏻♂️
Nice to see that the US also care for the diesel engines :) personaly I'm driving an 435d (320PS, no adblue). It's a shame that the very best engines you don't mention (they don't exist over sea?) it's the 50D, the old one is a 3l block with 3 turbos generating 380ps and the new one has 4 turbos an generates 400PS and lots of torque :)
I drive a 435d too, it's nice the m57 is getting recognition from the USA but the n57 in the 435d is something else. Same positives mentioned in the video but even more.
Mine is stock with a tune and runs a 12.05 quarter
There are M57 engines in older models with 500 000km on the first OEM timing chain.
owned a e60 535d,e61 530d and e92 335d ,currently running a 335i ,i miss that m57 engine so much power from low down
450k on mine 400hp 600trq. From a roll nothing keeps up. Piston 5 cracked in 2020, did a r&r myself and I will continue to reach 300kmph😏. Any other BMW won't be this reliable. And oh ya 45mpg avg
I drive it like it's stolen every day. In Canada, it was the poor man's Tesla. Until Trudeau f@#k'd the price of diesel.
i'm in UK and I had a 2009 E92 335d auto a few years ago, Had DPF and EGR removed, straight piped, air filter and remap on both engine and gear box. It was dyno'd at 342bhp and 570nm, and it felt so rapid! I later added a quaife differential which transformed the handling and drift ability. I really regret selling that car!!
Thanks for doing this vid. I agree with you in a lot of ways, although my 35D X5 has been of the road all week 😀 they are very popular here in the UK
Love mine! 2014 F34 here in the UK, has been tuned along with the ZF8, the shifts are almost as quick as my previous DSG equipped Cupra 290 so have no complaints. Does all the lazy comfortable stuff very well but now with 572lbs/ft at disposal, it feels very potent when pushing on. Will likely fit hybrid turbos very soon, should see in the region of 450hp then, maybe more if I remove the DPF. Long live the mighty M57 😂
You have the N57 not the M57...
Your one is the N57 not M57. N57 is okay but not as good as the. The N57 has the timing chain mounted at the back like the N47 4 cylinder. While the N57 doesn't have as much timing chain problems as the N47 4 cylinder they can still occur on the N57 (as its a N47 with 2 extra cylinders) which is a pain as the timing chain is mounted at the back. N57 is decent but M57 is alot better.
GM used this engine (M57D25) in the Opel Omega B2 (GM code Y25DT) wich is simelar to the Cadillac catera. And BMW got from GM the GM5LE40 automatic transmission.
And I hate that GM transmission. :D I have a 25d with it, noone knows them, noone knows the real torque limit. Someone says, 360nm, someone says 410nm, someoen says it doesnt matter till u change the oil. Someone says the wandler is the weak part.
I wanna tune my E39 to 200hp/400nm, but the tranny is always the question and I dont wanna buy a new one after the chip
And I hear on forums GM box is sh1te, instead choosing ZF, because of taking more torque and running cooler.
The M57 is the king of the mid-sized oil burners. Last of the they don’t like them like that anymore BMW motors as well. Went downhill in the early days of N-series motors, especially the early N47 4pot motors with their chocolate cam chain drives which chewed chains. The intake swirlers was a known issue on all the M-series diesels (4&6 cyl) but manageable. Sold my M Sport diesel Beemer to move to the UAE. Running some big cc cars here but the only one that comes close to the punch of a big diesel is the supercharged Raptor. Love the big twin turbo oil burners whilst you can. 🥰
Yes I was hoping you would cover this soon
great video, can you cover the toyota KD and GD 4 cylinder diesel engine? i know its not available in the north america (and maybe didn't make sense to be sold in the us as far as i'm concerned) but its a great engine with stock internals that can withstand double or triple stock horsepower on a daily basis
What model Toyotas are these engines used on?
@@muckle8 innova and fortuner
@@muckle8 and some land cruiser
I had a Toyota Lucinda people carrier but I didn’t think the Diesel engine was particularly good - there must be a stronger version that Toyota make then
@@muckle8 its a pickup engine, so its used mainly on body on frame model like hilux, fortuner, innova, landcruiser prado, hiace van, and even in some hino light truck
These engines are incredible! There's a triple turbo version of this engine that's closer to 400bhp, it came in the 550d and X5 M50. They can also be remapped up to 30% more than standard.
I need to comment. I have the M57 X5 35d and 175k miles later it’s still awesome. Gas mileage is also great.
Rode mine e39 530DTA 99 to 700dkm, the original turbo went out. So I sold it to demolition company. They repaired it with a second hand turbo and was sold again in 2 weeks… Great engine!! The automatic ZF gear was also good built..
Saw the m57 engine in some Toyota 4x4 😂 vids on yt
You should've mentioned that the e9x platform has both m57 and n57 diesel engines. The n57 comes with timing chains in the back end of the engine rather than front. Also the timing chains are way weaker than m57's timing chains. The 330d and 335d has m57 up until 2007 and the facelift model has n57. Also there's also one interesting fact that the 325d has m57 in all of the models, facelift or not. Also 525d 530d and 535d have a m57 with cast iron block up until 2005 or 2006, and the 3 series didn't get a motor with cast iron block. Only e46 3 series platform has cast iron block engine in 330d's.
Incorrect, the e9x chassis 335d never had an n57
@@jacobdunwoody2225not in the us. Only m57s
Not in the us, 3 series and e70 had m57s only in the us. F series 535d and x5 had n57s. F series 3 only got n47 was the biggest possible for usa.
@@premiumxperiments6059 not saying that there was a lot of them in the us, but you can import one from germany, for a fair share of money
@@jacobdunwoody2225 yep
Yup, best ones are the M57 184/193hp versions(e46/e39) & the M57N with in e46 & prefacelift e9x with 204/218hp respectively. They can handle quite a bit. The M57 & M57N are totally different animals though.
Can You please explain? I plan to buy myself an e39 530d and wanted to learn something that You mentioned about.
I've got an X5 with a M57N, 218hp, no DPF, no swirl flaps from factory. Getting around 23-25 mpg around town.
I gotta say I have the same engine in my BMW X5 35D and that thing I have a mild tune deleted egr cooler egr valve and scr deleted down pipe. And the thing sounds mean on cold start and sounds great on take off. 75mph cruise control set averages around 34-36mph on flat surfaces thats very good and I'm super happy with it.
My M57 170kw bmw e91, great economy, great pull, great sound + manual gear box, what more I can say it pulls like a train.😎
i have exactly the same car but with Xdrive M-sport also manual. Just all the deletes and downpipe + tune its awsome :D
Great video, The EPA Must be Abolished.
Yeah cuz who cares about the ozone layer amirite??
No lol. If you like drinking clean water and breathing fresh air they are a net positive. Emissions suck but they exist for a reason.
Without the EPA who would poison our rivers?
www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/10/431223703/epa-says-it-released-3-million-gallons-of-contaminated-water-into-river
@@aaronmcconkey1062 Global Warming is a Hoax Californian.
I like how you call it a little engine. With 3 liters of displacement I probably have more than everyone else in my German family.
V6 are generally seen as small power plants
For me it all started with the glorious 730d e38 😇. What a machine 193hp and lots of fun mods like e60 steel turbomanifold and x5 intercooler :) modded intake egr delete . M3e90 exhaust system “ frankenmufflers “ got dialed in on the dyno at 285hp and 570 nm 😎
Just to clarify it is NOT sequential turbo, it is infact Compound turbo. big difference, great vid!
To my understanding, this system is relatively unique in the fact that it can be both style systems. The small turbo can feed the engine directly and bypass the larger turbo entirely or feed the larger turbocharger, depending on the position of the compressor bypass valve.
Because the smaller turbo doesn't exclusively feed the larger turbo and can feed the engine itself, this system is referred to as sequential and not compound. If the bypass valve didn't exist and the smaller turbo fed the larger turbo under all circumstances, then this system would be referred to as compound.
If anyone has any links or docs to BMW sourced information on what this turbocharger system is referred to as I'd love to check it out.
Sequential. First small, then both, then just the big turbo.
@@Dustrunnersauto all small turbo air input comes trought big turbo cold side. theres no bypass. Same is with exhaust. All exhaust gasses goes to small turbo, witch goes to big turbo then. Theres no cutout, but if big turbo is switched "on" gasses still goes trought small turbo, but since big turbo is more free, gasses naturally prefere big turbo. Only cutout is then, when big turbo is fully switched on , then airpresure bypasses small turbo. It is not cut out, but small turbo is mostly bypassed.
@@Martink9191 look at the exhaust manifold, gasses exit down the way to the big turbo, and up the way to the small turbo, there are two exits, so exhaust gas doesn't have to go through small turbo only, that would rob power severely.
@@Deanyfromtheburgh and what did I say? "if big turbo is switched "on" gasses still goes trought small turbo, but since big turbo is more free, gasses naturally prefere big turbo."
Awesome. Now do the N57TU
Great video! I just got and love my 335d :)
I love my m57n2 engine,, 330xd,, did an open downpipe,, swirlflap delete end egr delete,, and a damn good tune, from 231hp/500nm to 350hp/870nm,, damn good drive!!
do you have the AUTO or manual? Got E91 330 XD myself stage 2 Manual with 320hp and 750nm
I prefer the diesel in the MB E320 CDI, pre Bluetec
Been daily driving an e46 330d for the last 4 years and its time for me to get something different, how ever, i find it basically impossible to move away from bmw diesels.
For a dd car, its basically the perfect engine. Quiet, smooth, reliable and economical for every day use, yet still powerful and fun enough for when you feel like pushing it.
Been looking at various cars and e90 335d seems like the obvious choice for a direct upgrade (Only thing im torn on is moving to an auto, but thats more of a me problem).
Literally every alternative i look at (v8 s5, 350z, impreza wrx etc) both consume 2-3x more fuel well being noticeably slower (at least in a straight line).
They also come in x5 my first diesel... I love it!
Got one as well, 2005 e53
I have an E46 330D which has the M57D30 engine, and I can tell you it is an amazing piece. It has been tuned from 184 to around 250HP (I bought it tuned, don't know the power figure exactly) and whilst being quite quick it still manages to get me about 50mpg on the highway. Amazing..... And realiability, it's great. Only the automatic transmission is kinda bad because E46 diesels had a GM trans instead of the more reliable ZF trannies which I kinda wanted hahah
I am in Australia and have owned an Aug. 2007 X3 3.0d for nearly 7 years. It has the M57 engine with the aluminium block. It only has the single turbo, as opposed to the 3.0sd model. It has been an extremely reliable and economical car for me to date. I have had the swirl flaps removed and replaced with blanks on the advice of my mechanic (not BMW dealership but BMW expert). I currently have the intake manifold removed and am in the process of thoroughly cleaning it. I found the EGR valve, situated just behind the throttle body on the intake manifold with about 1cm of baked on carbon and oil around the inner edges. I have cleaned it and intend to reinstall it . I was considering to carry out an EGR delete but not only is it an illegal modification but results in other issues such as more DPF contamination. This engine is also fitted to the X5 which is a much heavier vehicle than my X3. I may get the engine remapped in the future but in its current form it has more than enough power for my needs. The car has only 153,000km on the clock and I intend to keep it for the longer term. The 2 liter N47 BMW 4 cylinder diesel engine is the one to avoid.
You talked about intake manifold plastic flap but forgot about the real problem with this engine (coming from a BMW mechanic). The carbon build up (shown in a clip) would build up so thick, so heavy it would cause the tri phased manifold to have complete blockage. All happening before 70k if the car isn’t driven often on the highway and have very high quality oils used. The flaps were never an issue, they were indeed metal, you are thinking about the M54/N52/4 plastic manifold flaps. There was all hard plastic cooling passages used on the front of the engine that were all incredibly difficult to replace costing no less than 2k to replace, simply because of the labor required to complete the job. Generally it’s a throttle body, intake manifold, strut brace, EGR cooler off job and don’t even look at those little 4mm cooler hard lines. They will shatter at your glance.
Yes the exhaust system was an issue, a massive one. When the above issue with the intake happens you will burn out the sensors or cause faults with them if you don’t recognize the issue with carbon quickly. That can be a headache.
Lastly the harmonic balancer was a huge issue, it would decouple and cause the car to be undriveable. It’s held together in the center with a liquid filled rubber piece for vibration. The only engine I’ve noticed having a real issue with that btw.
A nice engine to drive but a real bitch to own.
The block and crankcase of the TÜ2 and TOP engines are both made of aluminium. It was a later design which took effect in the e60 LCI models especially. It’s also worth mentioning, the TOP engines are equipped with the Bosch R90 high pressure fuel pump not the R70.
Had an X5 35D. When the emissions systems failed I was faced with a choice. Chose delete, including the swirl flaps. Tuned the ECM mildly; turned the dyno at 364 hp and 590 ft/lbs at the wheels on a hot humid day. 25 mpg plus having all the fun I wanted. Can you say launch? Put 100k miles on in 4 years driving everywhere. And the sound?? Just awesome.
I’ve had a 335D for about a year and a half. Nearly every common failure point happened when i bought the car, and when the DPF clogged (due to unknown bad thermostat) i deleted and tuned it. In the year since i havent had any issues with the car, and it is in my opinion the best enthusiast daily driver (as long as you know a guy that’ll smog it). 45 mpg on the highway and 380hp, 540tq to the wheels on a mid-level tune makes for an absolute rocket that doesn’t hurt your wallet at the pump. As with any car, maintenance is key, but i plan to keep the car for as long as possible.
I've got to agree on the statements when it comes to engine reliability. As the proud owner of a 2012 BMW M550d (381PS and 740Nm and this is stock figues. Easy stage 2 tunes gives you roughly 450PS and upwards of 1000Nm, the fuel consumption is nothing to be scared at. Even though diesel prices have increased substantionally in Norway the past 2 years. Indeed things might get expensive when things break, not to mention 1 of the 3 turbos.. But the car gives so much joy and excitement that I would not trade it for anything else. And again, where do you go from here? Great informational video, good work!
You came into M57 topic with this mad shitbox? Give some respect mate.
l liked when you read from the smartphone, it was authentic. I never saw a content creator do that bevor
I have the E61 535d pre LCI tuned, stock engine, but no EGR (engine breaths nicely) and DPF deleted. Not sure how much power it makes, but does 0-100km/h (0-62 mph) in 4.8, if it doesn't lose traction, which rarely happens. It does a quarter mile in 12.8s. If I floor it in a rain at 130km/h, it loses traction when it kicks down.
iv got one in a 2002 530d. Its pretty awesome.
Look up e46 330d straight piped, it's simply a pleasure to hear and a smile on my face every time I sit in my car
I own an x5d and the power and speed it has in a 7000 lb suv is crazy. It has been cleaned of all unnecessary parts, larger intercooler and larger turbos. 650 ft lbs of torque and 25 mpg
I am going to buy a 330d e93 231hp sporting the M57 engine tomorrow. Adding it to my BMW/CanAM collection. My other BMW has a N47 technical update engine, really strong even though Ns are usually crap, haven't had any issues thus far, I have 250k km on it.
I had a 335d a few years back…. What an amazing car/engine combination! Unfortunately the car was totaled. Not my fault. Careless driver rear ended my ride…. Wish I still had it to this day.
Owned two M57 powered BMW 3 series. 330d 204ps tuned to 265ps and later 335d 286ps tuned to 356ps. Best cars in my life and i miss M57 everday.
The M57 is definitely a beast. I remember when I was a tech at the stealership when the e90 335d was just released and I had to take one out on a test drive to diag it. Man did it move! My only complaint is that BMW doesn't offer it in a manual. All I drive is three pedal cars. A deleted M57 is definitely fast AF. Hate all the emissions crap that the EPA slaps on diesel's. Makes it more complex, less reliable, and robs some power. Lots of BMW longblocks are super stout to begin with because a lot of them have forged internals OEM. Have built quite a few, especially the non-vanos m50. One of the best cheap solutions to boost. Slap an MLS gasket and some ARP's and a cheap ass HX35 with MS3 and you're at 500whp+ all day, reliably, with plenty more room to go if you wish. Thanks for sharing this, lots of good info. 👍😉✌️
Does it ever have the timing chain problem like the N47 engine?
@@arafkyi
Not that I am aware of TBH. Doesn't mean that there aren't more isolated incidents where there are timing chain/ tensioner/ guide rail issues with the m57 platform. When I was at the stealer all these years ago the 335d's were new, and not all that many of them were sold/ repaired at the facility I was working at. They're definitely much less common around here, from the few of them I've actually seen. If you are referring to the m50 engines, then no, they don't. There is a later/ 'updated' style primary tensioner that the m52 cars came with stock which is a direct 'bolt-in' on the m50/ s50 engines. The pieces for the timing setup supposedly have a harder nylon/ plastic that lasts longer. The only timing chain related component that has any issues in the m50/ s50 is the oil pump nut. It is known to back off sometimes. The way to remedy this is to install a drilled & safety wired oil pump nut with some red Loctite for extra assurance if you desire.
i got one of these with a 6 speed manual. Here in europe they also got us the 330D with same engine , only single turbo and choice between RWD and Xdrive. It's awsome man ; just a tune and some deletes, it's amazing !
I have 3 M57s BMWs one is highly modified with 100 over injectors and dual fuel pumps both r90s LSD and meth injection with Nos hybrid turbos and upgraded intercooler and many more mods it makes 850lb torque and 700hp gets 45mpg and love it currently has 234k miles
Great content as always! but next you should cover the N57 engine and maybe even briefly touch on the N47
The n57 is currently the BMW diesel power champ!