the GOOD and BAD of DJI Action 2 for FPV Freestyle

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024

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  • @MrSteeleFPV
    @MrSteeleFPV 2 роки тому +69

    Hoping this thing is the ticket 🎟!

    • @AKtoTok
      @AKtoTok 2 роки тому

      Looks good for shoots as long as youre not flying too much!

    • @JT-st6ui
      @JT-st6ui 2 роки тому

      How's the altitude J lol

    • @kennykobitsfpv
      @kennykobitsfpv 2 роки тому

      @mr.steele you still feel the same after Nepal? I see alot of go pro 10

    • @johnjonesdronesfpv7939
      @johnjonesdronesfpv7939 2 роки тому

      I’m a huge fan of your page. I’m buying the action 2 as my first action cam Friday. Thanks for inspiring me. That’s all bro.

  • @mikebergman1817
    @mikebergman1817 2 роки тому +3

    Drew. Put a ring on that woman already. She's wonderful! Oh, and this camera looks WAY better than I originally thought it would. It's a little spendy without knowing how resilient it is to taking hard hits, but I'm excited to see how you turn this one in to dust at some point. I shall learn through your pain. Thank you my friend!

  • @patregan
    @patregan 2 роки тому +20

    I'm super excited about the idea of getting back down under 650 grams like when I flew a Session. So much of the performance and durability of the quad follows the size of the camera. A bigger camera means you need to carry more battery. Carrying a bigger camera and battery means you have more mass. More mass means more momentum. More momentum means you need more carbon. More carbon means more weight again.
    I know you can't speak for the durability of the camera yet, but the overall durability of a quad that is 100 grams lighter again will be awesome.
    But I am disappointed to say that I haven't had a real quad with a GoPro in the air since March. I figure I won't be upgrading/sidegrading until I have to file a claim on a smashed GoPro, and at this rate I am bummed out to say that it will probably take quite a while! :(

    • @WEEBER13
      @WEEBER13 2 роки тому +2

      Exact same story here! 😕

    • @patregan
      @patregan 2 роки тому

      @ok go I'm not sure how you know who provides my camera insurance, but I always order my new camera as soon I break the previous one. I don't wait for the check (or Amazon gift card?!) from the insurance company to show up! :)

  • @Silor
    @Silor 2 роки тому +20

    Something funky is going on with the lens distortion. I can't tell what it is but it feels weirder than superview. Kinda looks like 360 footage, maybe it's the wider angle

    • @blazer5979
      @blazer5979 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah this footage did that camera no favors haha.

    • @PortalFPV
      @PortalFPV 2 роки тому +2

      Yes, this camera has like 10° more field of view than GoPro. Too much IMO. Makes it a little nauseating

    • @divingfalconfpv4602
      @divingfalconfpv4602 2 роки тому

      Yeah it's crazy wide. I'd wouldn't run the super wide on this. But guess it's there if you need it

  • @garymorris6819
    @garymorris6819 2 роки тому +20

    Smooth! Makes me dream more of an FPV with the Action 2

  • @blazer5979
    @blazer5979 2 роки тому +6

    Why does this footage look so warped? That lens is wonky.

    • @LeDribFPV
      @LeDribFPV  2 роки тому

      Suuuuper wide. 155deg FOV 🥴

  • @Hiko_shi
    @Hiko_shi 2 роки тому

    DUDE!!!! THIS IS FIRE! my fav fpv pilot getting into motovlogging as well. The most perfect channel direction ❤

  • @MactacFPV
    @MactacFPV 2 роки тому +10

    OK, so I (Camera Butter) thinking of making some accessories for this camera. What do you think is needed most? ND filters? lens protector? Replacement lens kit?

    • @jakeh3144
      @jakeh3144 2 роки тому +3

      Love your products. Great customer service too.

    • @MactacFPV
      @MactacFPV 2 роки тому +1

      @@jakeh3144 Thank you SO much for the kind words ! :) :)

    • @MatthewRayFlicks
      @MatthewRayFlicks 2 роки тому +2

      ND filters and Lens protector for sure.

    • @sebastiannix5033
      @sebastiannix5033 2 роки тому +1

      How about an adaptor to connect an external power source?

    • @MactacFPV
      @MactacFPV 2 роки тому

      @@sebastiannix5033 That's a great idea.

  • @Starkeyfpv
    @Starkeyfpv 2 роки тому +11

    The trippy to Matty was 🔥 drib flow in full effect here!!

  • @tango_sierra8608
    @tango_sierra8608 2 роки тому +1

    Wish I could hit the like button 5x for this video. Love the throw back vlog feel! Miss these videos from you

  • @kyrofpv
    @kyrofpv 2 роки тому +1

    Your flow is truly amazing. You are inspiration for me getting into FPV!

  • @WKfpv
    @WKfpv 2 роки тому +13

    They could just put 20 grams more of internal battery and we would be all so happy. I don't need a color screen in the back, put it on a external module, I need an SD card slot. Come on DJI you are always giving me almost what I want.

    • @Gosuminer
      @Gosuminer 2 роки тому +2

      Making a magnetic connector waterproof and robust is just a lot easier than making an SD card slot waterproof and robust. I don't blame DJI.

    • @PortalFPV
      @PortalFPV 2 роки тому +1

      @@Gosuminer ???? a door with an o-ring is hard to do. weird

    • @Gosuminer
      @Gosuminer 2 роки тому

      ​@@PortalFPV The doors can break, the o-rings get damaged or lost and there is no easy way to repace either. DJI could do this and it would propably be ok but I still think the connector is the better solution.

  • @Topher2024
    @Topher2024 2 роки тому +2

    Drew, that first flight was sick man! Your drone skillz are definitely fun to watch. Flow is the way to go! 🤞🔥🎉🙌

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV 2 роки тому +1

    Just seems like you need 2 of them...
    rotate them between flights. and then it's too expensive..
    and I worry about the stutters I've seen.. but probably a firmware away.
    thinking a super chunky 30g tpu case...
    it seems like a better Peanut...
    maybe....

  • @jasper2771
    @jasper2771 2 роки тому

    Ur fpv skills are insane

  • @andriik6788
    @andriik6788 2 роки тому +17

    I think they did pretty big mistake with SD-card absence.
    After recent DJ Action 2 announce I just bought GoPro 10 :)

    • @rjsvids
      @rjsvids 2 роки тому +1

      "SD-card absence." only on the main module , cause the other module have SD , so no problem there, i can fly my protek 35 with 1500mah 6s with dji action 2 , 9 minutes cinematic , with my gopro hero 9 cinematic 4 minutes , so time to say goodbye to gopro, after 10 editions, its all the same thing , same technicals problems, freezing, tak out the battery, lose footage , hero 10 is the same shit, so gopro NO.

    • @sanz9082
      @sanz9082 2 роки тому +1

      Same for me too

    • @jstoneracing
      @jstoneracing 2 роки тому +2

      It's fixed now, drops the footage to the main body when you snap them together.

    • @danimalfpv7261
      @danimalfpv7261 2 роки тому

      @@jstoneracing very slowly though, but yeah... better than nothing. Hopefully they find a way to speed that up, though I suspect it's a hardware limitation

  • @digfpv4837
    @digfpv4837 2 роки тому +1

    I have one question if you still could get a GOPRO hero session 5 witch would you choose ?

  • @YoYoYo
    @YoYoYo 2 роки тому +1

    I noticed that the shadows are dark. I'm guessing the dynamic range is not great or the edit have more contrast.

  • @ugpfpv361
    @ugpfpv361 2 роки тому +4

    IDK, don't really like the fisheye of this myself... Actually can't stand watching it, even if all the drawbacks we're fixed...
    My hope is that this is a success so then maybe GoPro would come out with a smaller cam
    p.s. oh that night time performance is awesome, haha

    • @mariolaporte3429
      @mariolaporte3429 2 роки тому +1

      I can't tell if this is serious, or sarcastic. Imho, the nighttime footage is borderline unusable.

    • @ugpfpv361
      @ugpfpv361 2 роки тому

      @@mariolaporte3429 sarcasm ;)

    • @mariolaporte3429
      @mariolaporte3429 2 роки тому

      @@ugpfpv361 lol i wondered...

  • @sbelljr
    @sbelljr 2 роки тому +14

    A storage dump module seems like a good idea for sure. Maybe could wire charging into the quad battery...

    • @CoppertopFPV
      @CoppertopFPV 2 роки тому +3

      Storage dump was fixed on day one and transfers straight to second module. Companies have already teased USB constant charging too

    • @Vizr
      @Vizr 2 роки тому

      @@CoppertopFPV Yooo in 2.7k/30, how long does the cam last?

  • @ryanpetty392
    @ryanpetty392 2 роки тому

    You guys are awesome !!! Look so happy together ! Also I want one of those cameras lol! Missing Florida !!!

  • @xymaryai8283
    @xymaryai8283 2 роки тому

    i swear i thought something went wrong with my subscription when i realised i haven't seen any of your videos recently, but im still subscribed. UA-cam still doesn't understand the meaning of "subscribe"

    • @xymaryai8283
      @xymaryai8283 2 роки тому

      same with the RR channel, i've stayed subscribed but i had to manually search to find new videos. and no, i am not turning notifications on, bc i don't want to be pinged, i just want to see more in my recommendations

    • @xymaryai8283
      @xymaryai8283 2 роки тому

      and holy shit, your freestyle is so cool, i can't believe I didn't see more

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV 2 роки тому

    whole lotta vibes going on the scooters @10:00

  • @tilgare
    @tilgare 2 роки тому +1

    7:17 You could get a USB-C to C or Lightning to USB-C cord and transfer the video to your phone. Bonus points if you just keep your camera SD card in your phone and can just pop it out. I keep a cable in my bag anyway so I can use Betaflight in the field without a laptop, and could just pop one of my other camera SD cards in.

    • @PortalFPV
      @PortalFPV 2 роки тому

      you could. but I think drew is an apple user, so OTG is out

    • @tilgare
      @tilgare 2 роки тому

      @@PortalFPV OH, I knew that iOS for iPad couldn't use external drives til recently (or still not?) but I never considered iPhone doesn't allow it either. I was thinking there were lightning USB drives even.

  • @seb-depp
    @seb-depp 2 роки тому +6

    Crazy good backwards flying. Surprised you didn't crash more often. At least with your skills the stabilization is very good. (Much worse in the dark though).

  • @justin555666
    @justin555666 2 роки тому

    Haven't seen an edit in a while. Really liking the trippy flow thing you're doing. Looks awesome!

  • @joshgamingyt9766
    @joshgamingyt9766 2 роки тому +15

    Damn, that flow!!! Image quality and stabilization looks really good tbh.👌

  • @CoppertopFPV
    @CoppertopFPV 2 роки тому +1

    Transferring to sd card internally with a click was fixed on day 1 of the release.

  • @xavier_arthur
    @xavier_arthur 2 роки тому

    When I grow up, I want to fly just like you 😯💪💪💪💪💪💪

  • @BadLuckFPV
    @BadLuckFPV 2 роки тому

    The vlog and the edit was so good bro

  • @matuka3755
    @matuka3755 2 роки тому +3

    The lines were smooth, as always, Drew. It would be great to hear how the motors sound in the recording... ;-)

    • @jana171
      @jana171 2 роки тому +2

      I always like the music Drew mixes in though, and you know when he's about to crash, you'll get some motor sound in advance :-D

    • @FilipRadelic
      @FilipRadelic 2 роки тому +2

      4:22

    • @mouseFPV
      @mouseFPV 2 роки тому +1

      Honestly quad audio from anything but a session is terrible. Sounds great on a hero session 5 though

  • @browniefpv6478
    @browniefpv6478 2 роки тому

    8:01 just 1ft to the left and that shinny new camera would of been toast!

  • @poseyperspective3591
    @poseyperspective3591 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the review that was helpful, great flying too!

  • @gandaulf_fpv6925
    @gandaulf_fpv6925 2 роки тому

    Thanks Drew.👍

  • @audiogek
    @audiogek 2 роки тому +1

    I would just dump the footage on my phone, no need for a laptop (on a boat)

  • @crspy914
    @crspy914 2 роки тому

    3:13 is the part where my brain stopped functioning.

  • @MrDeathFPV
    @MrDeathFPV 2 роки тому

    You could offload to mobile using an otg cable, I do it with my session all the time

  • @GrizzFPV
    @GrizzFPV 2 роки тому +1

    You do lof of trippy spin there and i love it

  • @MrSmithFPV
    @MrSmithFPV 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks for another review of this cam. Great flying! :)
    But these 22GB of internal storage are really a joke for such a high priced cam. Really a no go. And the battery runtime of about 15mins at 4k/60fps is also a pain in the a*s. That means i need to buy another used Session 5 to get a good and durable cam for freestyle.

  • @OriginaldoBo
    @OriginaldoBo 2 роки тому +5

    You can tell the smoothness is all you man! The stab would be tripping. Solid work dude

  • @cathrerinezetadrones3169
    @cathrerinezetadrones3169 2 роки тому

    Insane drew!

  • @JammyBFPV
    @JammyBFPV 2 роки тому +1

    This a great however the overhearing issue and memory transfer speed its very slow

  • @alberfpv
    @alberfpv 2 роки тому

    Could you make a review for caddx peanut on freestyle? There is no videos on UA-cam testing it in extreme conditions like freestyle. Congratulations for your channel!

  • @rodrigodiniz13
    @rodrigodiniz13 2 роки тому +1

    Have you experienced a sorta of hiccup when you do a fast roll?

  • @RobertLeclercq
    @RobertLeclercq 2 роки тому +1

    The talk bit starting at 7:00 almost made me sick with the weird Rocksteady glitches. Looks awesome in flight!

  • @georgeaura
    @georgeaura 2 роки тому

    What about plugging it into your phone if you have an android to transfer footage

  • @larryryan6003
    @larryryan6003 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome footage. Do you still fly with the action 2? Now in 2024, there is 128 GB of internal storage. What do you think?

  • @Berber1337
    @Berber1337 2 роки тому

    good vid bro helped me alot :)

  • @AV8R_1
    @AV8R_1 2 роки тому +3

    I thought my Hero 5 session was perfect. Glad to see there's finally a better camera with the same footprint.

  • @MagicFPV
    @MagicFPV 2 роки тому +1

    I can’t figure out the fisheye 🤔 is it pushing the curve to the centre when stabilised? Great video 👍

  • @MagnusKock
    @MagnusKock 2 роки тому

    can't you connect the cam to the DJI Mimo app and download the data wireless? Worked on the DJI Action 1

  • @StacemanFPV
    @StacemanFPV 2 роки тому

    Have you tried connecting to Android phone? Should see it as storage

    • @FlyingPenguinDrones
      @FlyingPenguinDrones 2 роки тому

      He's got an iPhone, but if he brings it to the warehouse, I'll try it on my Android

  • @Mikebfpv
    @Mikebfpv 2 роки тому +2

    Well first of all, we need to rally Botgrinder to get a magnetic chin implant to mount this thing. Second, I think the hero quality is better. But last, I still love watching your vlogs and flying dude. Keep up the good work, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on why you went back to the ix12. I recently got the tango II, and still struggling to not go back.

  • @tango_sierra8608
    @tango_sierra8608 2 роки тому +2

    Also- your flying is insane in this. Didn’t really notice until halfway through but damn bro. Still a neck-and-neck race between you and Bubby on who my favorite pilot is lol. I think it’ll always be a tie though tbh

  • @MichaelRollins
    @MichaelRollins 2 роки тому +1

    Still want to fly whenever I watch your flying. Good job man. Bittersweet to watch, but good job.

  • @neilfpv
    @neilfpv 2 роки тому

    Folks, I have a new frame similar to Drib's. I'm worried using it because I think the carbon part where fpv camera is mounted can break easily. Is my assumption correct when it crashes? Btw, my friend's DJI Action 2 camera specifically the back side broke after a crash :(

  • @PeterKornum
    @PeterKornum 2 роки тому

    Wesrern digital have externalhard drives (with build In battery) that Can dump a sd card and a camera....

  • @garamfpv
    @garamfpv 2 роки тому +1

    사고싶네😉👍🏻

  • @bross5690
    @bross5690 2 роки тому

    I can't do any rolls without getting severe rocksteady jutter.. how??

  • @Silor
    @Silor 2 роки тому +9

    I really hope gopro brings back the session to compete with this. Then we'll see the real improvements of this form factor

    • @Nobody-Nowhere
      @Nobody-Nowhere 2 роки тому +1

      Gopro been using the same 1/2.5" sensor on all their cameras. This has 1/1.7" sensor, gopro cant compete with it.

  • @Itsdarts
    @Itsdarts 2 роки тому +1

    Yo Drew, where can I get my hands on that action 2 mount you used for the Skyliner? I need one for my Skyliner. Not a whole lot of mounts available for this camera yet. But Damn! This camera has made me almost a good pilot. Soooo much better performance with a 55g camera. Another bonus is the wind noise cancelation of this camera, which is incredible imho.

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 Рік тому

    Is this before GYRO flow update could you redo this now?

  • @Rich2brokeN
    @Rich2brokeN 2 роки тому

    I say Gopro bring session back with all the new stabilization. And smash the competition I still have a session 4 and 5.

  • @Smt_Glaive
    @Smt_Glaive 2 роки тому +1

    Easy
    Hard
    Expert
    Le Drib

  • @georgeaura
    @georgeaura 2 роки тому

    When I am I'm a fairly remote situation and need to be light weight that's how I deal with footage I transfer to my phone and carry an ssd to load off everything to from my phone

  • @Varian_t
    @Varian_t 2 роки тому +2

    Whatever the action 2 having the issues, your flying is amazing 🤩🤩

  • @codyblackwelder8682
    @codyblackwelder8682 2 роки тому +1

    you do know most of the type C you can transfer the storage to a cell phone (android) and you wont need to transfer to a PC.....a android phone can do it to

  • @LalapopApple
    @LalapopApple 2 роки тому

    Dont understand why there is no printable mount with "contact pads" for charging already 😅

  • @Andrew-sv3ck
    @Andrew-sv3ck 2 роки тому

    One thing I don’t get: why is there a screen on the main module? There’s one on the secondary module. I’d MUCH rather have a hot swap battery or SD card than a screen, and I’m sure at least one of those could be added by removing the screen.

    • @mariolaporte3429
      @mariolaporte3429 2 роки тому

      DJI sells "modules". $75 for the battery module (which is how you charge the actual camera. You cannot charge the camera without a module as the main camera has no usb input at all). Then they have a $170 battery/screen module that charges, adds battery life, and has the sd card slot. One of the main reasons i'm steering clear of this camera. If you want longer flight times, you need to add the magnetic module which wont fit on a 5" without looking goofy, odd, or unsafe.

  • @HazzardLuke
    @HazzardLuke 2 роки тому +1

    The goat of flow can still fly. The price is what will define this one for me. Couple of runcam orange is 200. Rather an SD card plus get some nd filters an a little editing can go a long way in this hobby. Great review look forward for updates....

    • @FlyingPenguinDrones
      @FlyingPenguinDrones 2 роки тому +1

      Only problem with Runcams is that their color grading sucks, so fixing that in post is a lot of extra work each time.

    • @HazzardLuke
      @HazzardLuke 2 роки тому

      @@FlyingPenguinDrones yes that is true but can't afford to have 3 go pros. I can afford 3 runcams though. I'll take a little extra editing. Good insight.

  • @markr041
    @markr041 7 місяців тому

    I haven't scrolled through all the comments, so maybe someone said this: you don't need a computer to offload the internal memory clips. You can just move the internal memory clips to the sd card in the battery module after attaching. So, while the camera battery is recharging do the transfer too. Leave the computer at home. The sd card can be 256 GB's. That feature was available day one. The battery module with sd card slot is included , it's not an add-on.

  • @prottentogo
    @prottentogo 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder when or if there will be round ND and Lens Protection around. Both are kinda essential.

  • @burned_esc
    @burned_esc 2 роки тому

    oooooh jeez night video is like super bad :P the jello is like on a cheap hd cam from 6 years ago or something. If you don't care about hyper smooth and 120fps, you can get better footage with a caddx orca , lol.

  • @e5m956
    @e5m956 Рік тому

    Why not make the battery and memory exchangeable? Seems like the Hero 8 is still the best overall no fuss FPV camera...

  • @Maxbl4
    @Maxbl4 2 роки тому

    It should be possible to connect camera to a phone with otg cable and download video there. I use otg sdcard reader all the time, and connected dji air unit with that cable too. Just get cheap xiaomi phone with 256gb as your thumbdrive :)))

  • @MarvinBoydCo
    @MarvinBoydCo 2 роки тому

    Low light is trash especially with all the jitters in the footage. For drift logistically this doesn’t seem like a good fit but if you are just messing around I think this would be awesome.

  • @MatthewRayFlicks
    @MatthewRayFlicks 2 роки тому

    I’m not worried about any of these problems. First thing I’m doing when mine arrives is making a naked/stripped down battery/sd pack that lives on the drone and is powered by the drone battery. All problems solved.

    • @PortalFPV
      @PortalFPV 2 роки тому

      ooooo....I'd love to see that

  • @phi-fpv
    @phi-fpv 2 роки тому

    Trippy Spin to a Reverse matty?....... Fire Baby, PhiYa!... The 14 GB is a deal breaker for me though.

  • @ThomasShue
    @ThomasShue 2 роки тому

    Someone needs to build a small device that can use a phone to transfer files to an SD card in Hyperspeed

  • @streetzfpv
    @streetzfpv 2 роки тому

    Jeez Drib have gotten so dope on the sticks!!... haven't watch a flight vid in a while cause haven't been flying but still that first line had me stunned. Don't remember em being that smooth

  • @iflylow6224
    @iflylow6224 2 роки тому

    May be a dumb question but how do you find your background music?

  • @Syncopad
    @Syncopad 2 роки тому

    What a flight man uuuuuuiiiii, shit bubby really taught you some moves. Jokes aside, crazy rippage!

  • @aquilinefpv2592
    @aquilinefpv2592 2 роки тому +1

    Good to see you getting some solid new flight footy around RR work load!

  • @ThomasShue
    @ThomasShue 2 роки тому

    Not a big Drib fan, but he sure can fly and I respect that for sure and why I am here.

  • @Shauny_D
    @Shauny_D 2 роки тому

    Taking only 1 gram off the weight of my 75mm whoop brought me from 7 to 10 minute flight times. 5% weight is huge. This cam is like cutting, what?, 15% off a freestyle build. That is not a small change.

  • @yankey4
    @yankey4 2 роки тому

    Love this. Thanks so much for sharing. I just have a mav pro the first one. Would like to see what it looks like on top of my mav. God bless.

  • @FPVPRINTS
    @FPVPRINTS 2 роки тому +1

    That first line was sickkkk

  • @Mastertech6
    @Mastertech6 2 роки тому

    QUESTION::: How come props comes into view sometimes? flex in mount?

  • @thelethalmoo
    @thelethalmoo 2 роки тому

    someones gotta make a clip to get the 5v from the quad to the camera to charge it, and if dreams come true dump files on a sd card through that port too withought the module

  • @cmacclel
    @cmacclel 2 роки тому

    So the Firmware that moves the onboard files to the sd card was out 2 days before you released this video :)

  • @mouseFPV
    @mouseFPV 2 роки тому

    Not sure if it's the stabilization or the FoV or both but the fisheye looks a little too much

  • @grumpyfpv6202
    @grumpyfpv6202 2 роки тому +1

    Uhhh cool:)

  • @drkastenbrot
    @drkastenbrot 2 роки тому

    I would have accepted this at under 300$. 519$ is ridiculous, the image really is not that good. Dynamic range is pretty weak compared to a gopro.

  • @takumorrison4609
    @takumorrison4609 2 роки тому

    love the waitress and dalmatians couple in the background. hahaha lolol

  • @MajomHus
    @MajomHus 2 роки тому

    Looks primising. Can you set the shutter speed for cinematic footage?

  • @BlindfoldedSight
    @BlindfoldedSight 6 місяців тому

    idk how you didnt crash like 3 times before 4 minutes lol

  • @1kuhny
    @1kuhny 2 роки тому

    Use USB OTG to move the files to your phone. I don't see why that wouldn't work.
    Also 8:02, damn, that was close.

  • @Daniel-ws5tt
    @Daniel-ws5tt 2 роки тому

    Fpv King

  • @DriftaholiC
    @DriftaholiC 2 роки тому

    I do wish they had the option for a 64GB model

  • @NarcolepticLTD
    @NarcolepticLTD 2 роки тому

    Why is no one talking about the elephant in the room? Honestly, more like cows at the table so maybe I'm just being hyperbolic. MOOO