Joel opening admits to basically being a raider and killing and robbing innocents in the 20 yrs time skip. He's basically a Savior. As low as Rick ever got, with his humanity wearing its thinnest, i still dont see he going this evil. Rick is the better man, and survivor 100%
In my opinion Joel is a lot like Shane in the sense that Joel has the capabilities to survive in the apocalypse but he doesn't have the mental strength to survive it, yes Joel had survived for 20 plus years in the apocalypse but he lost his sense of self he lost his humanity until he met Ellie and Joel like Shane made incredibly selfish and self destructive choice's for his own well being while Rick on the other hand has not only survived in the apocalypse but he's never lost his sense of self , yes Rick has gone very very dark a few times here and there but he's always found his way back to his sense of self and who he' is and he might make a few selfish decisions for himself in a rare case most of the time he will always respect and think of others first so in my opinion Rick is the better survivor.
That final line. Rick can survive like Joel but Joel cannot survive like Rick, seals it for me. Such a succinct way of answering this question. PS: Gold’s cursing is even funnier when bleeped 😂 I kinda want him to censor himself now.
Although I think it is important to note Joel probably had it much harder in his apocalypse to Rick, overall I think Rick is the more competent character and I'd rather be with him in an apocalypse than Joel - as much as I love Joel
Your not wrong. In Rick's universe the most threatening threat are the living whereas with Joels universe the most threatening threat are the infected.
also even tho zombies in the tlous are wayyy deadlier, i’m 100% rick would’ve adapted just as easy. he is a tactical leader. he would’ve cleared rooms and buildings just the same with everyone following protocols. also rick was more creative when it came to survival. he was able to turn debris into literally anything
Honestly it's pretty hard to decide because both have their pros and cons. Although TLOU zombies are insane, I think Rick is the better survivor. Nice video bro!
Leadership and Mental Health Goes to Rick all the horrible things he has went through has made him dangerous. He is also good at not compromising his safety for the group, example Rick being trapped at the CRM with 200,000 members. it broke him but eventually decided to join the military and go up the ranks to kill the CRM leader.
I think Rick is the better leader, and a better survivalist. But when it comes to dispatching zombies, I think Joel edges him out. Debatable though. Just saying joels zombies are much harder to kill.
Never clicked on a video so fast lmao, I've never thought to compare these two and hoo boy did that title make my brain go brrrr Putting my money on Rick just cause I cannot see Joel cope as well or integrate into a community as well as Rick's able to and im a collectivist so i think thats important, but like let's see what's up lol
Video game Joel is a better survivor than Rick, but TV Joel is a hard choice. Joel survived for 2 decades, with extremely dangerous infected and people. Rick survived for a decade and a few years with dangerous people. I think both are pretty competent when you assess their traits and compare and contrast them, however, as far as human traits go, morally or ethically, Rick is the better survivor with so much more depth than TV show Joel. We’ve gotten to see way much more into Rick’s past, and we have gotten to see into his present (plot armor Rick). With TV Joel, however, I feel like HBO didn’t really understand Joel’s character from the video game and what made him so unique in contrast to other video game and series characters. If I had to choose, I would rather be with Rick Grimes. His group has been through the ups/downs, the bad/good, and yet he still chooses to keep his humanity, while maintaining that unique survival trait. Joel Miller is still a good choice though, either which path you choose. As I said, I believe both are competent enough to survive, but when it comes to the television universe, Rick is the better character.
An interesting video would be comparing Travis and Glenn. Bc I see Travis as like a mirror of Glenn if he turned into a savage. Travis started off very much like Glenn but losing his son was the final straw for him. I’d imagine that to be the same if Glenn lost Maggie and HJ.
Tv Joel is a joke compared to in game Joel so I do agree, on certain parts atleast. If it In Game Joel vs Rick in any other media than I’m sorry but Joel is the overall better survivor while after 20+ seasons after Rick is already out of the show the infected learn to do bare basic things like use of rocks and climbing ladders while walk around as a corps, the infected in tlou are basically humans on adrenaline until the adrenaline wears of and they got an other ability like setting up ambushes rip you to pieces or even maule you to death, and Joel survived that 20 YEARS and god bless Rick if he should ever encounter a bloater, like Joel did and it’s hinted he did encounter a few in his life not just the ones we fought.
Rick is a better survivor, there's so many times when Rick almost lost his sanity from killin Shane or losing Lori but he was able to heal his mind from his loses and still carry on to fight for the other survivors.
Bro Rick got the farm over ran by shooting Shane and then he burn down the whole farm Got Hershel killed by not giving up the prison and trying to negotiate with the governor Got glen killed F’ing with negan Blew up the bridge before he died for no reason Lmao I’m just saying he screwed his crew over a few times .. so that situational awareness, is like a c+
I find these 'reasons' to be idiotic really. rick's biggest weakness was his lack of trust in outsiders, which is a clear sign of a weak man. this lead to nearly every catastrophe his group faced from terminus, to the governor and the loss at alexandria. rick failed to train new people, because he didn't trust them and feared they would turn on him, then they died or became a liability due to the lack of training. every issue in the show beside the main outbreak was risk's fault pretty much. now Joel, I never played the game, but even I know there is a difference between a man who has given up, as such that you suggest with joel, and a man who has reserved himself to essential thought, efficiency and utility. joel lost his daughter and is still able to build a car battery out of scraps, rick couldn't do that. joel closes up for 20 years but then starts to open up with ellie very quickly. this debunks your concept of joel being a mentally weak man. not only does joel manage to teach ellie what she needs to survive on her own...something rick wouldn't do with a stranger, but joel's whole mission was a means to help the world by getting ellie to a place where a vaccine could be made. rick on the other hand, immediately gives up on his 'serve and protect' ideologies a day after waking up and finding the world destroyed. nothing says 'weakness' better than a man willing to give up on his values he fought for, for years in less than 24 hours. joel is far superior to rick, mentally and physically.
You are not right joel is not 40 he is 55+ his senses are getting dull from old age and some other things, and i think that joel was not that closed throughout the 20 years i think that he was mostly open but people took advantage of that so he closed off, i think that because you can't be with someone like tess if you are that closed off, plus joel made a selfish thing by saving Ellie yeah but i doubt that Rick wouldn't have done the same and why i think that is because when rick had to face similar situation he had to do something that is assuring HIS groupes survival and he moslikley felt and obligation bc he is a leader but joel didnt have that obligation to the rest of the world so i think its different by miles that joel is better survivor but rick is a better diplomat that can become as good of a survivor as joel
Ok if your talking TV Joel and TV Rick it’s Rick right away even tho i don’t like Rick but there’s no way Joel’s winning that but if your talking game Joel and TV Rick without a doubt it’s Joel that’ll wins he’s straight up beast even dealing with way worse infected
Not really a good comparison, the last of us is about Ellie. The walking dead is about Rick. We got to see 9 seasons of Rick. If the last of us follows the game Joel gonna be gone next season
This is clearly biased captain gold has already done a video saying daryl would beat joel which is pure and utter BS joel would stomp daryl anyday of the week no contest also get your facts right joel is mid 50s in the show in the games he's early 50s and not to mention the world of TLOU as opposed to TWD yeah they're zombie apocalypse but tlou infected are far tougher and way more dangerous if the infected replaced the walkers Rick's group would've been massacred besides maybe a handful like Abraham rick daryl Shane etc would survive for a little bit but would eventually get killed by a clicker or stalker or the big boy himself the bloater love both franchises but there's clearly some serious bias towards twd and its not fair captain gold chimed in to basically reinforce your bias
@@owaine-changaming keep dreaming daryl would get murdered look how easy it was for dwight the dime store daryl to get get drop in daryl in the woods if he could do it joel would have massacred daryl simple as not mention daryl was meant to die or at least get messed up by beta but no he's got god level plot armour bs just look at their fight beta throws him through a wall and 5 secs later daryl is under a hidden compartment in the floor waiting for him ffs 🤣 who is he daryl or the flash xos in a real fight there'd be no time to do that and the bigger man beta would've won simple as
uk he talking about tlou show right? like joel is alot less capable SO FAR in the show then in the game. idk if u watched it but joel deals with way less challenge compared to the game in what is shown in THE SHOW
@drew1399 yeah I do and I know joel isn't as tough in the show as he in the games but still his physical feats he's shown against infected and people I still consider him top tier survivor he's survived for 20+ years in the apocalypse in both dhow and game and in the show he's shown he can take in early infected stages like runners and stalkers I'd love to see rick or daryl be as successful without plot armour joel has it too but its more grounded in all fairness look at daryl dixon season 2 and tell me there's not a part of that or any other twd shows since rick left and came back that's not ridiculously blown out of proportion like a Michael bay movie him and machine finding each other in the 1st episode for example and not to mention them both surviving unscathed after blowing up the crm military base and took out every soldier there bar rick and microns I mean come on!! That's just stupid at that stage
Happy to join you once again friend. And (early) Merry Christmas!
@@TheRealCaptainGold pleasure having you on the channel! You have a lovely Christmas too!
you have absolutely had my guard down when you appeared in this video.
Happy Christmas mate, All TWD fans
Joel opening admits to basically being a raider and killing and robbing innocents in the 20 yrs time skip. He's basically a Savior. As low as Rick ever got, with his humanity wearing its thinnest, i still dont see he going this evil. Rick is the better man, and survivor 100%
In my opinion Joel is a lot like Shane in the sense that Joel has the capabilities to survive in the apocalypse but he doesn't have the mental strength to survive it, yes Joel had survived for 20 plus years in the apocalypse but he lost his sense of self he lost his humanity until he met Ellie and Joel like Shane made incredibly selfish and self destructive choice's for his own well being while Rick on the other hand has not only survived in the apocalypse but he's never lost his sense of self , yes Rick has gone very very dark a few times here and there but he's always found his way back to his sense of self and who he' is and he might make a few selfish decisions for himself in a rare case most of the time he will always respect and think of others first so in my opinion Rick is the better survivor.
I totally agree bro! I love Joel but Rick is the clear winner for me here
That final line. Rick can survive like Joel but Joel cannot survive like Rick, seals it for me. Such a succinct way of answering this question.
PS: Gold’s cursing is even funnier when bleeped 😂 I kinda want him to censor himself now.
Fr I was laughing when bleeping out his swears hahahaha!
Although I think it is important to note Joel probably had it much harder in his apocalypse to Rick, overall I think Rick is the more competent character and I'd rather be with him in an apocalypse than Joel - as much as I love Joel
Oh 100% Joel had it a lot harder than Rick but I agree Rick would definitely be my pick for who I would rather live with in the apocalypse
You’d all just die when the show’s rating started to inevitably drop lmao.
Your not wrong. In Rick's universe the most threatening threat are the living whereas with Joels universe the most threatening threat are the infected.
@CosmicAether I would say both are the most threatening threat. The infected are dangereous and the tlous people are crazy
I fucking love that these 2 guys collab y’all are my favorite to listen too for analysis on TWD
Thank you so much we appreciate your support!
RICK💯
Such a great character!
Agree💯🤝🏻
Agree with you!
Theo trying to start a war, lmao. Great video as always, and so nice to see Captain Gold here, I adore his videos about ethics.
I’m prepared for the backlash… 🥲
Still one of the most underrated channels. Keep up the solid work Theo!
@@XThink-hl6gv thank you so much!!! 🫡
Really well done video man. Great content!
Thank you so much bro!!!
great video ! rick grimes is literally my favorite fictional character ever !! twd rlly highlights the humanity and depth of the survivors
also even tho zombies in the tlous are wayyy deadlier, i’m 100% rick would’ve adapted just as easy. he is a tactical leader. he would’ve cleared rooms and buildings just the same with everyone following protocols. also rick was more creative when it came to survival. he was able to turn debris into literally anything
Rick is a better and more mentally stronger, he is more aware than joel
Agreed!
Rick is the best post post apocalyptic/zombie apocalypse character ever by a mile.
cant really compare when one is dead though joel survived for 2 decades.
Well as mentioned in the video, it isn’t about video game Joel and currently TV show Joel is still alive
Rick is alive almost a decade in too
Rick is still alive
Least Rick aint get his head caved in by a hulk like female
He meant comic Rick. Tv show Rick is an unrealistic justice league hero at this point.
Awesome seeing you and Gold together, yall two are TWD’s best small creators 😩🤙🏻
Thank you so much and hopefully one day we won’t be small creators 🙏🏼
Joel all the way this isn’t even a argument Joel has fought bloaters, clickers and running infected as well as crazy raiders and other factions
Honestly it's pretty hard to decide because both have their pros and cons. Although TLOU zombies are insane, I think Rick is the better survivor. Nice video bro!
Agreed bro! And thank you for the kind words 🙏🏼
Rick didn’t get killed with a golf club by a bad character
Rick would never Tell his name to a bunch of strangers without knowing their true intentions. Or invite them to his closed community.
@@The_anonzilian69Tommy invited them and told their names Joel was reluctant
@@JaucrispyTvdaryl would never
Rick was actually the best as a family man & leader to the main survivors with heart over head and goes beast mode when needed
Leadership and Mental Health Goes to Rick all the horrible things he has went through has made him dangerous. He is also good at not compromising his safety for the group, example Rick being trapped at the CRM with 200,000 members. it broke him but eventually decided to join the military and go up the ranks to kill the CRM leader.
clearly Rick
Joel got a date with a baseball bat coming up soon
This is no competition, Rick Woukd Make Joel Cry like a baby
Rick has military training though so.
Yeah hh my man Rick🎉
Honestly I would say Joel, the zombies in TWD are so much easier to kill compared to the clickers and runners in tlou
I think Rick is the better leader, and a better survivalist. But when it comes to dispatching zombies, I think Joel edges him out. Debatable though. Just saying joels zombies are much harder to kill.
Rick Grimes
Rick
11:40 last time i heard, Joel was 56 years old.
Rick grimes all day
The best way is to ask who would win out in a fight to the death. And there is zero competition on that.
Apples and oranges. Just cant be compared lad, its like saying a fart is as satisfying as shitting yourself.
Never clicked on a video so fast lmao, I've never thought to compare these two and hoo boy did that title make my brain go brrrr
Putting my money on Rick just cause I cannot see Joel cope as well or integrate into a community as well as Rick's able to and im a collectivist so i think thats important, but like let's see what's up lol
Hahahaha I hope you enjoyed the video!
@theohuntt I so did! I was like YOOO THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT UP and subbed immediately lmfao
12:03 mind you that Rick took down that army through the power of love
Rick is better Rick is the best Rick is love Rick is life
Rick's a *post-apocalyptic cop who's got a lot of issues*
Video game Joel is a better survivor than Rick, but TV Joel is a hard choice.
Joel survived for 2 decades, with extremely dangerous infected and people.
Rick survived for a decade and a few years with dangerous people.
I think both are pretty competent when you assess their traits and compare and contrast them, however, as far as human traits go, morally or ethically, Rick is the better survivor with so much more depth than TV show Joel. We’ve gotten to see way much more into Rick’s past, and we have gotten to see into his present (plot armor Rick).
With TV Joel, however, I feel like HBO didn’t really understand Joel’s character from the video game and what made him so unique in contrast to other video game and series characters.
If I had to choose, I would rather be with Rick Grimes. His group has been through the ups/downs, the bad/good, and yet he still chooses to keep his humanity, while maintaining that unique survival trait.
Joel Miller is still a good choice though, either which path you choose. As I said, I believe both are competent enough to survive, but when it comes to the television universe, Rick is the better character.
I thought it was a Rick vs Travis comparison. Lol
That could be an interesting video tbh!
@theohuntt i started writing a whole comment on why I kinda favor Travis til I realized it was joel lol
An interesting video would be comparing Travis and Glenn. Bc I see Travis as like a mirror of Glenn if he turned into a savage. Travis started off very much like Glenn but losing his son was the final straw for him. I’d imagine that to be the same if Glenn lost Maggie and HJ.
Tv Joel is a joke compared to in game Joel so I do agree, on certain parts atleast.
If it In Game Joel vs Rick in any other media than I’m sorry but Joel is the overall better survivor while after 20+ seasons after Rick is already out of the show the infected learn to do bare basic things like use of rocks and climbing ladders while walk around as a corps, the infected in tlou are basically humans on adrenaline until the adrenaline wears of and they got an other ability like setting up ambushes rip you to pieces or even maule you to death, and Joel survived that 20 YEARS and god bless Rick if he should ever encounter a bloater, like Joel did and it’s hinted he did encounter a few in his life not just the ones we fought.
Rick is a better survivor, there's so many times when Rick almost lost his sanity from killin Shane or losing Lori but he was able to heal his mind from his loses and still carry on to fight for the other survivors.
If its Rick vs show Joel no question Rick. Game Joel though would definitely beat Rick.
Bro Rick got the farm over ran by shooting Shane and then he burn down the whole farm
Got Hershel killed by not giving up the prison and trying to negotiate with the governor
Got glen killed F’ing with negan
Blew up the bridge before he died for no reason
Lmao I’m just saying he screwed his crew over a few times .. so that situational awareness, is like a c+
I feel like I would thrive in a apocalypse world. 😂
Rick.
I find these 'reasons' to be idiotic really. rick's biggest weakness was his lack of trust in outsiders, which is a clear sign of a weak man. this lead to nearly every catastrophe his group faced from terminus, to the governor and the loss at alexandria. rick failed to train new people, because he didn't trust them and feared they would turn on him, then they died or became a liability due to the lack of training. every issue in the show beside the main outbreak was risk's fault pretty much.
now Joel, I never played the game, but even I know there is a difference between a man who has given up, as such that you suggest with joel, and a man who has reserved himself to essential thought, efficiency and utility. joel lost his daughter and is still able to build a car battery out of scraps, rick couldn't do that. joel closes up for 20 years but then starts to open up with ellie very quickly. this debunks your concept of joel being a mentally weak man. not only does joel manage to teach ellie what she needs to survive on her own...something rick wouldn't do with a stranger, but joel's whole mission was a means to help the world by getting ellie to a place where a vaccine could be made. rick on the other hand, immediately gives up on his 'serve and protect' ideologies a day after waking up and finding the world destroyed. nothing says 'weakness' better than a man willing to give up on his values he fought for, for years in less than 24 hours.
joel is far superior to rick, mentally and physically.
For me joel is the better survivor, meanwhile Rick is the better leader.
i think Duane Morgan, Ed and Randall solos this 2 👁️👅👁️
Rick Grimes is and it not even close.
Rick stomps
Joel was stupid enough to outs himself in a room, outnumbered, outgunned as well as his brother. Rick is better.
Nah Joel is much better. The clickers in that universe make the walkers in the twd look like play things
Ricks the better survivor but in one on combat to death fist fight joel would probably cook joel
Rick has too much of a resume for Joel to compete with.
Why not make a new last of us series but with Rick Gimms but in TLOU universe that would be mental 😊
You are not right joel is not 40 he is 55+ his senses are getting dull from old age and some other things, and i think that joel was not that closed throughout the 20 years i think that he was mostly open but people took advantage of that so he closed off, i think that because you can't be with someone like tess if you are that closed off, plus joel made a selfish thing by saving Ellie yeah but i doubt that Rick wouldn't have done the same and why i think that is because when rick had to face similar situation he had to do something that is assuring HIS groupes survival and he moslikley felt and obligation bc he is a leader but joel didnt have that obligation to the rest of the world so i think its different by miles that joel is better survivor but rick is a better diplomat that can become as good of a survivor as joel
Rick is so overpowered that he could take on Abby’s group at the lodge even if he was surrounded
I'm so mad that no one liked this comment. This got a real chuckle out of me
They not gonna talk about video game joel tho that man was a straight menace but i can see this not one of them videos fr i watch both channels
Ok if your talking TV Joel and TV Rick it’s Rick right away even tho i don’t like Rick but there’s no way Joel’s winning that but if your talking game Joel and TV Rick without a doubt it’s Joel that’ll wins he’s straight up beast even dealing with way worse infected
Who’s lost an arm?
Well... Why don't we just go ask joel himself what he thinks of this question...?
me
i am better
No one relates to joel for him being flawed cuz hes not
When had Rick ever had to fight a mf clicker ?? A bloater?? Stop
It bro
He can only beat what’s In Front of him…
Video game adeptation? Preeeetty sure the Last of Us was a gme first. xD
Not really a good comparison, the last of us is about Ellie. The walking dead is about Rick. We got to see 9 seasons of Rick. If the last of us follows the game Joel gonna be gone next season
I think Gerard Butler would have made a better Joel than Pedro Pascal. And actually, Joel did save the world. He saved Ellie - His world.
I prefer your videos over your guest. Less of him and more of you. 💚
Or, how about he does his videos the way he wants to on his channel? Your preferences are irrelevant.
@@Philliwolf5 thats crazy 🤣
This is clearly biased captain gold has already done a video saying daryl would beat joel which is pure and utter BS joel would stomp daryl anyday of the week no contest also get your facts right joel is mid 50s in the show in the games he's early 50s and not to mention the world of TLOU as opposed to TWD yeah they're zombie apocalypse but tlou infected are far tougher and way more dangerous if the infected replaced the walkers Rick's group would've been massacred besides maybe a handful like Abraham rick daryl Shane etc would survive for a little bit but would eventually get killed by a clicker or stalker or the big boy himself the bloater love both franchises but there's clearly some serious bias towards twd and its not fair captain gold chimed in to basically reinforce your bias
Daryl would kick Joel's old ass the dude literally killed the main bad guy in the walking dead Daryl Dixon who was more trained than him
As clearly stated it’s just our opinion as Everything including your opinion is speculation it’s just a light hearted video lol
@@owaine-changaming keep dreaming daryl would get murdered look how easy it was for dwight the dime store daryl to get get drop in daryl in the woods if he could do it joel would have massacred daryl simple as not mention daryl was meant to die or at least get messed up by beta but no he's got god level plot armour bs just look at their fight beta throws him through a wall and 5 secs later daryl is under a hidden compartment in the floor waiting for him ffs 🤣 who is he daryl or the flash xos in a real fight there'd be no time to do that and the bigger man beta would've won simple as
uk he talking about tlou show right? like joel is alot less capable SO FAR in the show then in the game. idk if u watched it but joel deals with way less challenge compared to the game in what is shown in THE SHOW
@drew1399 yeah I do and I know joel isn't as tough in the show as he in the games but still his physical feats he's shown against infected and people I still consider him top tier survivor he's survived for 20+ years in the apocalypse in both dhow and game and in the show he's shown he can take in early infected stages like runners and stalkers I'd love to see rick or daryl be as successful without plot armour joel has it too but its more grounded in all fairness look at daryl dixon season 2 and tell me there's not a part of that or any other twd shows since rick left and came back that's not ridiculously blown out of proportion like a Michael bay movie him and machine finding each other in the 1st episode for example and not to mention them both surviving unscathed after blowing up the crm military base and took out every soldier there bar rick and microns I mean come on!! That's just stupid at that stage
Joel and his actor are gay.