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Great case!! I Had a similar case on a Volvo v60, but it had the same handles in front and rear. Back door antenna was wired and front wasn’t used. When the antenna failed in the back you can swap handles and it worked again. Btw I think the signals you showed us from lock and unlock are current switching ( like a modern wheel speed sensor). 👍
I remember some weeks ago of a video by Ivan of Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics where he was working on an almost new GM pickup with the two part tail gate. The right and left locks had been switched. Great investigation S.D.
Great stuff PAUL.will be back on premium this weekend. Btw pico TA330 PROXIMITY TOOL TO YOUR SCOPE. give it a look. Can pick up signal from outside the door. Bnc to scope also AUTEL KM100 can also pick up signal from cars antenna. Also can prove out the key signal that receives and transmit best to you
I feel like this was the perfect video for (scenario incoming)🤣 You’re kneeled down with your back to the camera. You quarter turn to reach for your inspection mirror and you notice, with a surprised look, the camera. Then you give us the, “oh hey, didn’t see you there. Hi I’m Paul Danner……🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Iv mentioned this before. Caleb!!!!!! We need this to happen 😀
You got to take care of those Front Bumpers...! Some Vehicle Manufactures like (General Motors) House their ECUs under there, right at the side.. were you hit the Dear...! 🤔🤔😇😇
The phoenix lite 2 does not have topology. Topdon seems to have released a limited run that did, but sadly in the current software that capability has been removed. Whether or not they are profiting from the confusion regarding that capability is up to others to decide... I know for one that i would certainly pull the trigger on this scanner should they restore topology.
I've heard it is $100 add on? Maybe they loaded mine with it because they knew it would get shown? Maybe it's included now? Hopefully they jump in an tell us! @Topdon
Topology wasn't on mine for the first 7 months of use. Then topology & Smart scan was on it for the last 4 months. It was great life was good. As of today my tool no longer has it. I feel like I got duped because like in your videos prior to my purchase I watched reviews. Every review showed it to have topology. I reached out to TD. They said it's not supposed to have it..later on it magically appeared, of course now it gone. Still a good tool, just mixed messaging i suppose
Thanks for the awesome ride on this diag! I will definitely keep this in the back of my mind for future possibilities of this system failures. P.S. Can't say enough about how extremely similar the key shape and size is along with the door handles themselves being pretty much exact looking components as BMW parts, everything down to the stripes on the handle to the connector you were messing with, even the rr of the handle procedure! Thanks as always!
Great case study. Like you said, so many technicians would be scratching their heads at that one. I just bought the Lite 2 in February 2024. It does not come with topology. It's a great tool, and I love it. The 1st thousand lite 2s had topology, and then top don updated the software and got rid of it. Idk why yours had it. Anyway, igreat video.
I'm not entirely sure about that. I've heard it was a software oopsie on top dons part when it was released. 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I hope they add it back on. I'll keep checking for updates and report back.
@@ScannerDannerI never lock my doors. ;) I make it a rule to never keep anything in my vehicle that is worth stealing. Though some A-hole did steal the cat off my truck last year while I was parked at the boat ramp. Luckily I have a shop and can deal with it. The poor bastard driving the Toyota lost 2 cats and cost him $750 to get his fixed.
I just bought a 96 Dakota because I'm old and tired of fighting system issues. Bare minimum on the 95. Also got me a 78 F100 never an emissions testing again ❤
Phoenix Lite 2 does NOT come with topology. This has been a known issue. The first 1000 or so units did, hence alot of influences showed it off. My unit I bought does not and many, many people have confirmed this. Clearly the unit you have is one of the earlier ones or cherry picked. Still love it though.
Hey I want to add, if you want to find out if a door handle/antenna (typically across a lot of makes is one part intertwined) is you can wrap your scope leads around the door handle, and mV scale, and short timebase. You will see the transmission take place, likewise for the key! Some cars just simply don't have PIDs for the handles, so it's a really fast and easy way of seeing the key and handle talk back and forth. I hope you make a video with this someday, it's a really cool waveform. My dad likewise went to a body shop for a front bumper, and for whatever reason the door card must have been taken off because when he got home for weeks he bugged me about the easy entry not working. When I got to it, I found Toyota has the best tech info service out of anybody else and it's cheap, if you ever have to use it you will love it. Day pass for $30. Turns out the shop left the handle unplugged. Whatever the reason was to take the door apart, it was just a simple mistake, and if a parts changer threw a handle at it they actually would have been half right or at least seen the issue when the card was off. However seeing no transmission take place at the handle with my scope running was enough confirmation to open the thing up and see what was going on inside.
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Nice work again Mr Danner. Oilers win Stanley Cup 2024?? Ivan at Pine Hollow Diagnostics often uses a data PID name search on his scan tool(s). I know he uses TopDon among others. Maybe thats an option? Stay gold.
A lot of vehicles treat the passenger door and rear door locks, as one circuit. When one goes goofy, sometimes you have to go to the actual failure point to pin it. Logic circuits are so mind bending at times
pretty cool that the scope is transferable between the scan tools. I am curious how you got on to a MV scale around time stamp 35:00ish, and then up to a 2v scale. was that just level slide on the right of the graph!? cheers,
Hello Paul Danner, this video is an excellent video of the Topdon Elite scanner and learning that the door handles were switched at the body shop. Will you be perhaps making a Topdon video with the scope in use? I really like this scanner, but I need a good scope to be able to diagnose cars that I can afford. I know the scope is around 900 dollars.
If I can't find the pids I want.. I just go ahead and read through ALL the pids in live data. I know 260 pids is a lot, but it's really only 10 minutes of reading.. You can scan over it pretty quickly. Every time I do this, I find what I needed and I usually find a few other things I've never seen and learn more about the cars.. So it's actually a good practice; because once you see everything and move on to another module or whatever else.. You'll notice something and it will trigger you "Oh yeah, I just seen that other pid that applies here' -- etc.. If you just get every pid in front of your eye balls once-- something will jump out at you; maybe it's just worded a different way, etc..
If you just look up a video about how to use that scope and take 20 minutes to watch a few of them.. It's shocking how quickly you can learn how to use these things. It's just a matter of someone showing you everything real quick. But I get it.. I'm sure you guys were ready to be done by then
Shortly after 20:35 you started talking about the rear door handles, how there's only 2 wires going to them. They're gonna be a power and a ground, there's no signal wire there, so something's wrong with the diagram. My mind immediately went to chrysler 2 wire wheel speed sensors, how they put a signal on the power wire. That's exactly what you found for when you push the lock/unlock buttons on the door handle - the power wire gets a square wave on top of the voltage. Kind of nuts, but we need to change our thinking that we have 2 wire sensors doing tradition 3 wire work now! I saw somewhere that you can wrap wires around the door handle and put them to your scope and that'll show the antenna is actually outputting an rf signal to the key fob. So if you truly had a handle that was bad, you could scope the antenna wire input to the handle, and see whether or not you had an actual wireless signal output. And in your case, you have a side the works perfect to get your known good waveforms from! Having more and more signals on top of power supplies, the voltmeter's going to spend more time on the shelf... you truly need a scope for so much these days!
I’ll have to remember next time I have to look at an expedition to see if those pids are available on the IDS or FDRS never been a big ford guy but I just bought a 17 escape for my girl that was traded in it’s in really good shape and now we have a second vehicle
I log onto shop key to see what common fixes they report and it’s helpful. I like watching these videos for diagnostics as they are great for learning.
I just had fun recently with a late model Subaru, they added a backup power supply to the keyless entry system, a one-shot capacitance discharge type 12-volt power supply for emergency door unlock in case of a crash or system power loss. It recharges in 90 seconds KOEO or KOER. Model dependent, up to 3 fuses for the system, reference the power distribution wiring diagrams, the backup power supply unit may not be shown in some of the keyless entry system wiring diagrams. Scan data using the SSM4 is sketchy as to PID identification with lock, switch, and status identification. Service information description of operation is sketchy as well.
Thanks some great information! Sounds like you spent some time gathering just that data alone! It's always super difficult when the service info is wrong or not there
@@ScannerDanner An hour in, manager tells me, "Oh, by the way, it's a salvage car"😂 Long story as short as possible, I had checked all the fuses, read thru the SI, diagrams, ect, started checking powers and grounds, erratic operation, went back to the main fuse box, someone had moved fuses, fuse location was the key. 😛 Total time, about 2 hrs, a valuable learning experience, and relatively inexpensive. 🤪
I love that you went through so many scan tools to see what was available on each for those specific PID's. If there's ever time or place for it and you're feeling like it, would you maybe want to root through an IDS scan tool to see what is or isn't there as well? I was also wondering, did you by chance look for bidirectional controls to actuate the locks from the scan tool? I haven't wrenched in a couple years, but I'd hope that actuator tests still have status PID's. As I recall it, Ford sometimes accidentally gave you all the info you needed to know to diagnose something; you just needed to know which rabbit hole to fall into. Thanks for the video. They're always good.
Great job Paul. I've found that I can pick up signals easily simply by wrapping a wire around the door handle several times and then connecting it to the oscilloscope. Quick and easy. 👍👍
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Great video Paul, this reminds me of a VW Tiguan where another shop installed a drivers door module on the passenger door and it was causing a host of issues, they look the same and the plugs are the same but different part numbers. It was funny because if one of the doors was open the car was freaking out because on the Canbus the drivers door was open and closed at the same time so you couldn’t turn on the ignition and the interior lights and dash was going crazy
@@ScannerDanner thanks it was a tricky diagnosis, at first I was thinking like a bad ground or something was causing the lights to flicker and on the dash the door ajar symbol was also flashing the door open and closed rapidly, but I checked the power, ground and Canbus on both door modules using my ATS scope and it was all good. So they provided the original module thankfully so I plugged it back in to see if I can revert the car back to its original complaint which was the power functions in the passenger door was not working. After putting the old module back I noticed that the car wasn’t freaking out anymore when the door was open so I looked carefully at the part numbers on the modules and for Volkswagens if the part number ends in an odd number it’s for the left side of the vehicle and if it ends in an even number it’s for the right side. Sure enough the original module ended in a 392 and the new module was a 393, they installed a drivers door module in the passenger door
Topdon ph lite2 would you reccomend it for a dpf specilaist guy Need data for dpf filter Dpf sensor( also reset functions and calibration functions ) Nox sensor Adblue Fuel vapouriser And standard stuff like Egr Glowplugs Injectors Air con
Great video Paul and Caleb.awesome diagnostic work as usual.I am on your premium channel and have learned so much from you and the information you have in your book is second to none...the best there is !!!
I have recently bought a 04 Toyota Sequoia with no keys now I was told that I had to buy a new immobilizer and pcm and that was going to run me 3000 which I don’t have is there any way around this immobilizer
NOOOOOOO!!!!!! You should show up the process of learning new system operations. I find myself doing that all the time thrue alldata, ex. It would be awesome to see how somebody else does it.
No thank you. My son is my editor and our goals are different than most YT creators. Above all, I am a teacher and I'm teaching to technicians, not the general public, so we are not looking to entertain and get views as our primary goals. If I wanted to do that, I would have cut 17 minutes from this video.
Great video thanks for sharing, can you make us a video for the immobilizer system, how to test this system the antennas and start and stop button with oscilloscope
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That's a good catch with the door handles.. I probably would have looked at the handles to see if there was corrosion on the pins and not even noticed that the pin count was wrong. lol.. Very nice catch; it would have been easy to overlook
This body shop did me right. Excellent work and service on this repair. They wanted it right back immediately and I said no because I wanted a video out of it. 🙂
Great video. Where do you the probes from ? It takes us hours to diagnose these type of issues and a car thief is in and takes your car in less than a min. Diagnose dan has a good video on the antenna signals. Where he wraps the scope leads sound the door handles and get a signal that way.
I'm only 4 minutes in but I diagnosed a similar problem on a 2021 Blazer that had the two doors apart and the body shop had mixed up the two door handles. The left front door handle was in the left rear door and vice versa. Connectors plugged in but there was a difference in the number of wires on the driver's door handle vs rear door handle. Edit: Now 25 mins in and see your fix....Same thing! They swapped the door handles. Obviously a typical body shop error.
I've only ran into the gateway module issue on Chrysler vehicles 2017 and newer. However Auto Auth doesn't support Topdon scanners, heard there were legal issues going on between the companies. I have a Topdon Phoenix Plus and haven't had any problems reading or cleaning codes or performing bidirectional functions on a few 2023 Fords I worked on, but if I try using it on a 2017 or newer Chrysler it only works as a code reader so I have to grab my Launch scanner which IS supported by Auto Auth
@@godofthunder6613 so I guess my scan tool is just not updated enough or too old to be working with the newer vehicles? When I try and scan the 2020+ gm and fords it won’t let me even scan it for codes.
@@DJM6.6 that might be the case since I have Autel, Launch, and Topdon scanners all up to date software and they have no problems communicating and retrieving codes with newer vehicles. The Launch scanner is the only one that works with Auto Auth in order to get past gateway module security. I heard Autel will work with Auto Auth but not with units purchased from Amazon for whatever reason and that's where I purchased all of my scanners
Unfortunately regular shipments of phoenix lite 2 do not include topography. Still a great little scanner but disappointed when I found out they are sending out units to UA-camrs with topology but not to regular folks. This lack of topology was confirmed a few months prior to this video, where rhey said feature was "accidently" added to first thousand units so seems that they have reserved these units for people who reviews. Kind of fake advertising, but im still keeping the unit. Thanks for your awesome videos!
I guess for marketing purposes, to show that the tool can do it is the thought process? I heard it was a $100 add on but im not sure. So instead of $800 the tool would be $900 with the topology. In my opinion, still well worth the price.
@@ScannerDanner still a great tool, don't get me wrong but yeah if that's an important feature, gotta move up. Thanks for all you do. You've changed me from a parts changer to somebody who is still a parts changer but do a lot less often! Still trying to get my mind around some of the concepts.
An easy mistake to make? Yes, but also an easy mistake to avoid. And I would expect a truly proficient body shop to NOT make this mistake!!! Maybe I expect too much? But I believe that there are people, such as yourself, who would take steps to avoid circumstances such as this.
This body shop is legit. He had a younger guy helping him put things back together. It happens and I'm not mad. It made for a great video! When I initially called him about it he was going to take care of it right away and I told him no, I wanted to film it lol
Great video, good lesson. If it would’ve been me. . .straight back to the body shop for them to figure out and fix their mistake. Of course, I don’t have a YT channel fixing cars :-)
Looks like the body shop needs to be sure things work when done with body repair. This could have been costly for regular guy. Maybe you should tell body shop what you found.I don’t think everyone should know everything that’s why I watch your videos. Good job as always and I agree this could be very difficult without the info you provided. Thanks again for content.
We talked the next day and they wanted to make it right. I told them no because I wanted a video out of it. 😀 So it was a win, win to be honest. But I agree ALL functions should have been tested after completion of the work. But it's easy to forget things. I do it too
Hey Paul, love your info but I had a question while watching. Right at the beginning you had a door transmitter receiver code but a large portion of this video seemed to sort of pigeon hole into the door lock status. Maybe it’s just something that doesn’t convey well over video or was for training but I couldn’t seem to understand why we didn’t pretty immediately follow that code and arrive at this same conclusion: and most likely faster?
It was in reference to Matt Fanslows video that we talked about, where there was a latch switch issue. I was focused on finding my latch switch data. Turned out in the end this model doesn't have them! I wasn't clear enough on this. Thanks!
Making myself a little note to grab an IDS sub next time I see a 2019 Expedition, and I'll grab a PID list for the BCM. It may be a while; these tend to be few and far between in the shops I service. Unplugged door handle antennas are common in a body shop environment; I typically don't even bill diag for them unless they want me to pull the door panel and plug it back in. I've only ever seen the swapped door handle thing once, and it took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out. I was being stubborn and did not pull a wiring diagram like I should have, and it whooped my butt! It wasn't until I actually pulled the door handles and harnesses out to be able to backprobe them that I saw the connectors... LOL Alas, I am a hypocrite. I will preech all day about the importance of the diagnostic process, but because I see a lot of the same issues day after day, I will jump straight to common failure modes and test out from there. Most of the time it's okay, but holy crap it slows me down when I'm wrong!
@@ScannerDanner I doubt there are any data PIDs for the rear handles, as it seems they're just an extension of the front handles, and entirely reliant on them. That 1-meter proximity mentioned in System Operation gives enough margin for the front handle to talk to the FOB. :)
@@OscarGomez-zy3xo I'm not sure but my friends at AESwave carry it and this is my affiliate with them www.aeswave.com/scannerdanner When you email them, ask for Carlos, tell him I sent you and ask him about that
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Great case!!
I Had a similar case on a Volvo v60, but it had the same handles in front and rear. Back door antenna was wired and front wasn’t used. When the antenna failed in the back you can swap handles and it worked again.
Btw I think the signals you showed us from lock and unlock are current switching ( like a modern wheel speed sensor).
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I remember some weeks ago of a video by Ivan of Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics where he was working on an almost new GM pickup with the two part tail gate. The right and left locks had been switched. Great investigation S.D.
Wow what a lesson.Nice work Paul
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Great stuff PAUL.will be back on premium this weekend. Btw pico TA330 PROXIMITY TOOL TO YOUR SCOPE. give it a look. Can pick up signal from outside the door. Bnc to scope also AUTEL KM100 can also pick up signal from cars antenna. Also can prove out the key signal that receives and transmit best to you
I feel like this was the perfect video for (scenario incoming)🤣
You’re kneeled down with your back to the camera. You quarter turn to reach for your inspection mirror and you notice, with a surprised look, the camera. Then you give us the, “oh hey, didn’t see you there. Hi I’m Paul Danner……🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Iv mentioned this before. Caleb!!!!!! We need this to happen 😀
😂😂 we did and "oh hi" before lol
A real case of , ever since you touch my car 😂
Exactly 😂
Arrr Cpt Longwind does it again, great reveal to a good find. I laughed out loud when you showed 2 pins!
Watching from Africa country called Malawi love this
You got to take care of those Front Bumpers...! Some Vehicle Manufactures like (General Motors) House their ECUs under there, right at the side.. were you hit the Dear...! 🤔🤔😇😇
Very good video. I always love watching your videos. You’re a very intelligent technician.
Thank you very much!
Ah man like the old days on you tube. Please more more missing your brother as well
$$$$ he's gotta make a living so he is concentrated on his pay stuff.
Thank you @sumduma55 I do have to focus on what pays the bills and UA-cam isn't it. YT ad revenue is probably a 6th or 7th of my salary.
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The phoenix lite 2 does not have topology. Topdon seems to have released a limited run that did, but sadly in the current software that capability has been removed. Whether or not they are profiting from the confusion regarding that capability is up to others to decide... I know for one that i would certainly pull the trigger on this scanner should they restore topology.
I've heard it is $100 add on? Maybe they loaded mine with it because they knew it would get shown? Maybe it's included now? Hopefully they jump in an tell us! @Topdon
Yep you can definitely add topology to the phoenix lite 2 now , I have one in the uk and it’s around £90 to add topology.
Topology wasn't on mine for the first 7 months of use. Then topology & Smart scan was on it for the last 4 months. It was great life was good. As of today my tool no longer has it. I feel like I got duped because like in your videos prior to my purchase I watched reviews. Every review showed it to have topology. I reached out to TD. They said it's not supposed to have it..later on it magically appeared, of course now it gone. Still a good tool, just mixed messaging i suppose
Thanks for the awesome ride on this diag! I will definitely keep this in the back of my mind for future possibilities of this system failures.
P.S. Can't say enough about how extremely similar the key shape and size is along with the door handles themselves being pretty much exact looking components as BMW parts, everything down to the stripes on the handle to the connector you were messing with, even the rr of the handle procedure!
Thanks as always!
Great case study. Like you said, so many technicians would be scratching their heads at that one. I just bought the Lite 2 in February 2024. It does not come with topology. It's a great tool, and I love it. The 1st thousand lite 2s had topology, and then top don updated the software and got rid of it. Idk why yours had it. Anyway, igreat video.
Is it an add-on like I'm hearing?
I'm not entirely sure about that. I've heard it was a software oopsie on top dons part when it was released. 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I hope they add it back on. I'll keep checking for updates and report back.
Iam like you ive had mine since they started selling it and never had topology on it i got it in 2022 and only have til next year for free updates
I had the same problem with Chevy Trax swapped handles.
Nice job keep going
This is the kind of garbage that makes appreciate my 1995 Ranger, with manual everything. If I want to lock the door, I use a key. ;)
I love the feature! It's super convenient when you're hands are full and your key is in your pocket
I like the old way just use the damn key. I never had a problem with the doors or the trunk. God I love my older cars. 👍 22:12
@@ScannerDannerI never lock my doors. ;) I make it a rule to never keep anything in my vehicle that is worth stealing. Though some A-hole did steal the cat off my truck last year while I was parked at the boat ramp. Luckily I have a shop and can deal with it. The poor bastard driving the Toyota lost 2 cats and cost him $750 to get his fixed.
@@farmermiyagi1338 people suck man. Sorry that happened to you
I just bought a 96 Dakota because I'm old and tired of fighting system issues. Bare minimum on the 95. Also got me a 78 F100 never an emissions testing again ❤
Phoenix Lite 2 does NOT come with topology. This has been a known issue. The first 1000 or so units did, hence alot of influences showed it off. My unit I bought does not and many, many people have confirmed this. Clearly the unit you have is one of the earlier ones or cherry picked. Still love it though.
It may have been cherry picked for me then. I've heard it's a $100 upgrade?
great job,
Great man,learn a lot from Him. Don't be a part changer 😁
Hey I want to add, if you want to find out if a door handle/antenna (typically across a lot of makes is one part intertwined) is you can wrap your scope leads around the door handle, and mV scale, and short timebase. You will see the transmission take place, likewise for the key! Some cars just simply don't have PIDs for the handles, so it's a really fast and easy way of seeing the key and handle talk back and forth. I hope you make a video with this someday, it's a really cool waveform. My dad likewise went to a body shop for a front bumper, and for whatever reason the door card must have been taken off because when he got home for weeks he bugged me about the easy entry not working. When I got to it, I found Toyota has the best tech info service out of anybody else and it's cheap, if you ever have to use it you will love it. Day pass for $30. Turns out the shop left the handle unplugged. Whatever the reason was to take the door apart, it was just a simple mistake, and if a parts changer threw a handle at it they actually would have been half right or at least seen the issue when the card was off. However seeing no transmission take place at the handle with my scope running was enough confirmation to open the thing up and see what was going on inside.
That's a great tip! I'll need to remember that one. Thank you for the comment and tips!
Hi Paul. If money was not an issue. Which aftermarket scan tool would you choose?
Hello danner I want to buy your pdf ebook where can I buy it thank you so much
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It is not a pdf download though. You must have internet access to use it. But this version allows me to offer full refunds
SD thought process is awesome
Thank you!
I bought the Phoenix Lite 2 last year based on your reviews and comments. I've never found topology! How or where do you find that option?
I've heard it is an add on. They sent this one to me this way.
Todon can add the feature online, $100 cost.
Could you watch for the rear door handle signal on a scope? (Once proper wire/connector location is established)
Yes
Nice work again Mr Danner. Oilers win Stanley Cup 2024??
Ivan at Pine Hollow Diagnostics often uses a data PID name search on his scan tool(s). I know he uses TopDon among others. Maybe thats an option?
Stay gold.
A lot of vehicles treat the passenger door and rear door locks, as one circuit. When one goes goofy, sometimes you have to go to the actual failure point to pin it. Logic circuits are so mind bending at times
Check the gateway module for the PIDs for the lock and unlock
There is no latch switch on this model and that's what I was mainly looking for. Thanks!
pretty cool that the scope is transferable between the scan tools. I am curious how you got on to a MV scale around time stamp 35:00ish, and then up to a 2v scale. was that just level slide on the right of the graph!?
cheers,
This is in per/div with both volts and time (I think)
So a 2v may actually be a 20v screen? I have to go back and look
I am sooo excited to see this video!! Thanks Paul and Caleb!!!! ❤
Beautiful job. Amazing critical thinking
Hey professor, i miss the old days with the verus edge and snap on troubleshooter. Hope you and the fam are doing well. God bless
Hello Paul Danner, this video is an excellent video of the Topdon Elite scanner and learning that the door handles were switched at the body shop. Will you be perhaps making a Topdon video with the scope in use? I really like this scanner, but I need a good scope to be able to diagnose cars that I can afford. I know the scope is around 900 dollars.
If I can't find the pids I want.. I just go ahead and read through ALL the pids in live data. I know 260 pids is a lot, but it's really only 10 minutes of reading.. You can scan over it pretty quickly. Every time I do this, I find what I needed and I usually find a few other things I've never seen and learn more about the cars.. So it's actually a good practice; because once you see everything and move on to another module or whatever else.. You'll notice something and it will trigger you "Oh yeah, I just seen that other pid that applies here' -- etc.. If you just get every pid in front of your eye balls once-- something will jump out at you; maybe it's just worded a different way, etc..
Agree! Hard to do that on camera with you guys. People would be tuning out real quick lol
If you just look up a video about how to use that scope and take 20 minutes to watch a few of them.. It's shocking how quickly you can learn how to use these things. It's just a matter of someone showing you everything real quick. But I get it.. I'm sure you guys were ready to be done by then
For sure.
Shortly after 20:35 you started talking about the rear door handles, how there's only 2 wires going to them. They're gonna be a power and a ground, there's no signal wire there, so something's wrong with the diagram. My mind immediately went to chrysler 2 wire wheel speed sensors, how they put a signal on the power wire. That's exactly what you found for when you push the lock/unlock buttons on the door handle - the power wire gets a square wave on top of the voltage. Kind of nuts, but we need to change our thinking that we have 2 wire sensors doing tradition 3 wire work now!
I saw somewhere that you can wrap wires around the door handle and put them to your scope and that'll show the antenna is actually outputting an rf signal to the key fob. So if you truly had a handle that was bad, you could scope the antenna wire input to the handle, and see whether or not you had an actual wireless signal output. And in your case, you have a side the works perfect to get your known good waveforms from!
Having more and more signals on top of power supplies, the voltmeter's going to spend more time on the shelf... you truly need a scope for so much these days!
I’ll have to remember next time I have to look at an expedition to see if those pids are available on the IDS or FDRS never been a big ford guy but I just bought a 17 escape for my girl that was traded in it’s in really good shape and now we have a second vehicle
Those TCU codes pop up most of the time they mean nothing sometimes those cold can be caused by over the air updates
I log onto shop key to see what common fixes they report and it’s helpful. I like watching these videos for diagnostics as they are great for learning.
@ScannerDanner do you every use the pico C.O.P wand to test keyless signals?
I just had fun recently with a late model Subaru, they added a backup power supply to the keyless entry system, a one-shot capacitance discharge type 12-volt power supply for emergency door unlock in case of a crash or system power loss. It recharges in 90 seconds KOEO or KOER. Model dependent, up to 3 fuses for the system, reference the power distribution wiring diagrams, the backup power supply unit may not be shown in some of the keyless entry system wiring diagrams.
Scan data using the SSM4 is sketchy as to PID identification with lock, switch, and status identification. Service information description of operation is sketchy as well.
Thanks some great information! Sounds like you spent some time gathering just that data alone! It's always super difficult when the service info is wrong or not there
@@ScannerDanner An hour in, manager tells me, "Oh, by the way, it's a salvage car"😂
Long story as short as possible, I had checked all the fuses, read thru the SI, diagrams, ect, started checking powers and grounds, erratic operation, went back to the main fuse box, someone had moved fuses, fuse location was the key. 😛
Total time, about 2 hrs, a valuable learning experience, and relatively inexpensive. 🤪
I have the same scanner and no topoligy map? bought it about 2-3 months ago
I love that you went through so many scan tools to see what was available on each for those specific PID's. If there's ever time or place for it and you're feeling like it, would you maybe want to root through an IDS scan tool to see what is or isn't there as well? I was also wondering, did you by chance look for bidirectional controls to actuate the locks from the scan tool? I haven't wrenched in a couple years, but I'd hope that actuator tests still have status PID's. As I recall it, Ford sometimes accidentally gave you all the info you needed to know to diagnose something; you just needed to know which rabbit hole to fall into. Thanks for the video. They're always good.
Great job Paul. I've found that I can pick up signals easily simply by wrapping a wire around the door handle several times and then connecting it to the oscilloscope. Quick and easy. 👍👍
Yeah.. I saw that on Diagnose Dan as well
Great tip! Second guy who's said that. Thanks!
Ah, so that's where it's coming from 🙂 Dan's a great guy and an awesome tech and a great teacher!
@ScannerDanner I've been watching your content for a long time brother.. bought your book as well.. keep up the great work.. I love seeing new uploads from your channel.. extremely valuable content.. 👍
Awesome case study. Thank you
Amazing Video AS ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!! Love IT, you guys have literally helped me in a way I can't put into words. it has changed my whole perception of how I approach a problem. just great
That's awesome to hear! Thank you
Great video Paul, this reminds me of a VW Tiguan where another shop installed a drivers door module on the passenger door and it was causing a host of issues, they look the same and the plugs are the same but different part numbers. It was funny because if one of the doors was open the car was freaking out because on the Canbus the drivers door was open and closed at the same time so you couldn’t turn on the ignition and the interior lights and dash was going crazy
😲 that would have been awesome to see lol.
Thanks for the comment and for this info!
@@ScannerDanner thanks it was a tricky diagnosis, at first I was thinking like a bad ground or something was causing the lights to flicker and on the dash the door ajar symbol was also flashing the door open and closed rapidly, but I checked the power, ground and Canbus on both door modules using my ATS scope and it was all good.
So they provided the original module thankfully so I plugged it back in to see if I can revert the car back to its original complaint which was the power functions in the passenger door was not working. After putting the old module back I noticed that the car wasn’t freaking out anymore when the door was open so I looked carefully at the part numbers on the modules and for Volkswagens if the part number ends in an odd number it’s for the left side of the vehicle and if it ends in an even number it’s for the right side.
Sure enough the original module ended in a 392 and the new module was a 393, they installed a drivers door module in the passenger door
Topdon ph lite2 would you reccomend it for a dpf specilaist guy
Need data for dpf filter
Dpf sensor( also reset functions and calibration functions )
Nox sensor
Adblue
Fuel vapouriser
And standard stuff like
Egr
Glowplugs
Injectors
Air con
No idea, sorry
Great video Paul and Caleb.awesome diagnostic work as usual.I am on your premium channel and have learned so much from you and the information you have in your book is second to none...the best there is !!!
Crazy find! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the Great Content Gentlemen!! . 3Hrs. in .5Hrs. My Brain Hurts. 🙃
Once again that was an awesome diagnosis
I have recently bought a 04 Toyota Sequoia with no keys now I was told that I had to buy a new immobilizer and pcm and that was going to run me 3000 which I don’t have is there any way around this immobilizer
Not that I'm aware of. But one that old, maybe?
NOOOOOOO!!!!!! You should show up the process of learning new system operations. I find myself doing that all the time thrue alldata, ex. It would be awesome to see how somebody else does it.
Hello Paul,
I hope your mom and grand baby are doing well!
Yes, thank you
It has wiring diagrams? Wow. Does it come equipped with such? If not what program does it have for said wiring diagram capabilities?
No, the diagrams are from prodemand (a $160/month program)
Hey, Really Nice Video! I was wondering if I could Help You Edit Your Videos and Make Highly Engaging
No thank you. My son is my editor and our goals are different than most YT creators. Above all, I am a teacher and I'm teaching to technicians, not the general public, so we are not looking to entertain and get views as our primary goals.
If I wanted to do that, I would have cut 17 minutes from this video.
Great video thanks for sharing, can you make us a video for the immobilizer system, how to test this system the antennas and start and stop button with oscilloscope
Great suggestion!
Dan your the best brother, I wish you can inform these companies about these scanners, a simple diagram wow amazing
things that make you say WTF lol
Hey I’m trying to get started as a mechanic. Is there a video I should watch first if I want to learn about diagnosing?
If your truly want to learn and have a passion for this. Sign up for my classes I offer on my website.
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It's 36 cents a day ($11/month) giving you access to 450 hours of training. Watch my introduction and navigation video and follow my suggestions on where to start. Hope to see you there!
That's a good catch with the door handles.. I probably would have looked at the handles to see if there was corrosion on the pins and not even noticed that the pin count was wrong. lol.. Very nice catch; it would have been easy to overlook
Just diagnose the same thing, definitely need more training on this matter. Solid work Mr Danner as always, shout out to Caleb too.
Thank you my friend
Body shop should have to pay for repair or reimburse money for the screw up just total disregard of quality
This body shop did me right. Excellent work and service on this repair. They wanted it right back immediately and I said no because I wanted a video out of it. 🙂
Paul...all this B.S. is TOO MUCH TECHNOLOGY!!!
Got to embrace it my friend
Great video. Where do you the probes from ? It takes us hours to diagnose these type of issues and a car thief is in and takes your car in less than a min. Diagnose dan has a good video on the antenna signals. Where he wraps the scope leads sound the door handles and get a signal that way.
0:03 Hello, Paul! :D
I'm only 4 minutes in but I diagnosed a similar problem on a 2021 Blazer that had the two doors apart and the body shop had mixed up the two door handles. The left front door handle was in the left rear door and vice versa. Connectors plugged in but there was a difference in the number of wires on the driver's door handle vs rear door handle.
Edit: Now 25 mins in and see your fix....Same thing! They swapped the door handles. Obviously a typical body shop error.
Hey John! Haven't seem your name in awhile
@@ScannerDannerHey Paul! I'm still lurking about!
Another great video 👍🏾👨🏾🔧 Keep up the excellent work
About time u made another video 😅
repairing machine tools talking with the operators and maintenance staff is key
Would wrapping a wire around the door handle and hooking up the scope be useful for this type of diagnosis?
Thank you in advance for your answer.
100% if you didn't have a data parameter on the scan tool that showed you that.
@@ScannerDanner Thank you for the reply.
May be a short video illustrating that procedure for the good of the tribe?
Thank you for considering it.
So this scan tool will allow you to get past the gateway module? I always thought you needed the ford ids?
I've only ran into the gateway module issue on Chrysler vehicles 2017 and newer. However Auto Auth doesn't support Topdon scanners, heard there were legal issues going on between the companies. I have a Topdon Phoenix Plus and haven't had any problems reading or cleaning codes or performing bidirectional functions on a few 2023 Fords I worked on, but if I try using it on a 2017 or newer Chrysler it only works as a code reader so I have to grab my Launch scanner which IS supported by Auto Auth
@@godofthunder6613 so I guess my scan tool is just not updated enough or too old to be working with the newer vehicles? When I try and scan the 2020+ gm and fords it won’t let me even scan it for codes.
@@DJM6.6 that might be the case since I have Autel, Launch, and Topdon scanners all up to date software and they have no problems communicating and retrieving codes with newer vehicles. The Launch scanner is the only one that works with Auto Auth in order to get past gateway module security. I heard Autel will work with Auto Auth but not with units purchased from Amazon for whatever reason and that's where I purchased all of my scanners
As another said, I've only had that issue with Chryslers and auto authority
Very good one Paul!
Unfortunately regular shipments of phoenix lite 2 do not include topography. Still a great little scanner but disappointed when I found out they are sending out units to UA-camrs with topology but not to regular folks. This lack of topology was confirmed a few months prior to this video, where rhey said feature was "accidently" added to first thousand units so seems that they have reserved these units for people who reviews. Kind of fake advertising, but im still keeping the unit. Thanks for your awesome videos!
I guess for marketing purposes, to show that the tool can do it is the thought process? I heard it was a $100 add on but im not sure. So instead of $800 the tool would be $900 with the topology. In my opinion, still well worth the price.
@@ScannerDanner still a great tool, don't get me wrong but yeah if that's an important feature, gotta move up. Thanks for all you do. You've changed me from a parts changer to somebody who is still a parts changer but do a lot less often! Still trying to get my mind around some of the concepts.
@@samickdigitals 😂 love this comment. Thank you!
Great lesson... and as with the best lessons, somebody had to bust a** to get there.
Hats off!! Thank you Paul! Nice diag!
An easy mistake to make? Yes, but also an easy mistake to avoid. And I would expect a truly proficient body shop to NOT make this mistake!!! Maybe I expect too much? But I believe that there are people, such as yourself, who would take steps to avoid circumstances such as this.
This body shop is legit. He had a younger guy helping him put things back together. It happens and I'm not mad. It made for a great video! When I initially called him about it he was going to take care of it right away and I told him no, I wanted to film it lol
How much are you charging your wife for all your time, Paul? 🤣🤣
She pays better than everyone else 🤐🤣
@@ScannerDanner 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video, good lesson. If it would’ve been me. . .straight back to the body shop for them to figure out and fix their mistake. Of course, I don’t have a YT channel fixing cars :-)
Haha exactly! And that's why I didn't take it back. They wanted me too but I said no 🙂
Looks like the body shop needs to be sure things work when done with body repair. This could have been costly for regular guy. Maybe you should tell body shop what you found.I don’t think everyone should know everything that’s why I watch your videos.
Good job as always and I agree this could be very difficult without the info you provided. Thanks again for content.
We talked the next day and they wanted to make it right. I told them no because I wanted a video out of it. 😀 So it was a win, win to be honest. But I agree ALL functions should have been tested after completion of the work. But it's easy to forget things. I do it too
Awesome!!!¡!!!
Hey Paul, love your info but I had a question while watching. Right at the beginning you had a door transmitter receiver code but a large portion of this video seemed to sort of pigeon hole into the door lock status. Maybe it’s just something that doesn’t convey well over video or was for training but I couldn’t seem to understand why we didn’t pretty immediately follow that code and arrive at this same conclusion: and most likely faster?
It was in reference to Matt Fanslows video that we talked about, where there was a latch switch issue. I was focused on finding my latch switch data. Turned out in the end this model doesn't have them!
I wasn't clear enough on this. Thanks!
Great video Paul as always. I am always learning something new from your channel. Keep up the great work Paul and Caleb. God Bless.
Thanks Tracy!
Making myself a little note to grab an IDS sub next time I see a 2019 Expedition, and I'll grab a PID list for the BCM. It may be a while; these tend to be few and far between in the shops I service.
Unplugged door handle antennas are common in a body shop environment; I typically don't even bill diag for them unless they want me to pull the door panel and plug it back in. I've only ever seen the swapped door handle thing once, and it took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out. I was being stubborn and did not pull a wiring diagram like I should have, and it whooped my butt! It wasn't until I actually pulled the door handles and harnesses out to be able to backprobe them that I saw the connectors... LOL
Alas, I am a hypocrite. I will preech all day about the importance of the diagnostic process, but because I see a lot of the same issues day after day, I will jump straight to common failure modes and test out from there. Most of the time it's okay, but holy crap it slows me down when I'm wrong!
That would be awesome to see. Especially if it has the rear door handles. Thank you!
But yeah, what you described is a common thing for all of us!
@@ScannerDanner I doubt there are any data PIDs for the rear handles, as it seems they're just an extension of the front handles, and entirely reliant on them. That 1-meter proximity mentioned in System Operation gives enough margin for the front handle to talk to the FOB. :)
The topdon Phoenix lite 2 have the topology o no
I've heard it does not come with that standard and it's a $100 add on. Until I hear otherwise I think that is the most accurate statement
and where it is already achieved with topology. Amazon or elsewhere
@@OscarGomez-zy3xo I'm not sure but my friends at AESwave carry it and this is my affiliate with them
www.aeswave.com/scannerdanner
When you email them, ask for Carlos, tell him I sent you and ask him about that
Ok thanks
Nice catch!!
Awesome diag, did you let the body shop aware?
Yes I did and they wanted it back immediately to make it right. I told them no because I wanted a case study out of it!
Like videos how are guys doing ?
Like videos man
Hey scanner Danner Is the topdon phoenix Max or the autel Maxisys ultra the best one to buy if you was only able to get one tool
I think they're pretty much the same with one exception. The Topdon scan tools do a better job of data PID recordings.
@@ScannerDanner ok thanks
Forscan?
Nice ok 😊