The BIGGEST Difference Between Men’s & Women’s Professional Tennis | ATP vs WTA
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2022
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In today’s tennis point play coaching session, I help Ema Burgic Bucko (former WTA player and NCAA D1 All-American) with her game. We also discuss the biggest difference between men’s (ATP) & women’s (WTA) professional tennis.
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Totally agree with you. Tennis is the most entertaining and exciting sport played by the ladies.
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This is gold. Being able to have a peek at a pro level coaching session with point play. Thanks!
I like these insights a lot. Love your dialogues and how you interact on the court.
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Really interesting analysis on the kick serve! I never thought about how effective kick serves are versus slice in the women's game. My most confident serve is a kick serve. I'm short and have never had a hard serve, but my kick serve is fairly consistent and I've never had a good slice serve. I've just never had a good feel for it...
Very insightful!
Credit to both coaches points. as a recreational player with a bad shoulder, I favor my slice serve on my 2nd because it is a more consistent shot that I can hit harder and through some spin into. My kick serve tends to be too slow so I only do it if I think I can get a cheap point by giving an unusually slow serve haha
Totally agree that women’s tennis is the most entertaining of all women’s sports. By far. I love watching women’s tennis. I also really like Women’s olympic sports and pro skiing.
I'm a fan of women's pole vault
Women’s diving and long jump is elite too
Good joke
The WTA Finals certainly do need a bit of support from people like you now Nic. It has been sparsely watched by fans so far this week.
The slice second serve is used on the ATP as well, though much less often than the WTA. Karlovic, Cressy, Djokovic (kind of, his is a unique mixture of slice and kick), Nadal, Sampras (though all his serves had a ton of topspin from his body positioning). A lot of ATP players worry about double faults, and so do a safer kick serve. For serve and volley on a second serve a harder slice serve that's biting into the body or away from the player can give more easier put aways at net (at the cost of more double faults). It's hard to serve and volley nowadays with a slower kick second serve, the returns are just too good.
Totally agree. Women's tennis is big for sports. How about the concept of having a Next Gen women's version? Would it be feasible? It will be great for the sport. The past winners of Next Gen thrived immensely in the pro tour: Alcaraz, Tsitsipas, Sinner, Chung (reaching the semis of a grandslam but unfortunately got injured). I think the NextGen exposure gave them so much confidence. I wish the WTA can stage their Next Gen as well. It would be healthy for the sport. This would inspire more young girls to play the sport. And young WTA pros need a lot of support in a very tough and challenging pro tour. 💚💚💚
They are struggling to get people in the stands at the WTA finals. Granted, the location (Texas!!!???) has a lot to do with it but I don't see NextGen gathering that much interest on the women's side.
totally agree.
@@gibcoprobe66 California would be ideal. Where the Williams sisters grew up! Serena and Venus could help promote the women's next gen. As they really massively lifted women's tennis!
I completely agree that WTA has excellent rallies and ground strokes. It is the serve that really makes it extremely hard for women to keep up with men in tennis matches.
The story of the ATP player who was no.200 and beat both Williams sisters on a challenge is well known and if I remember he had only one serve?
Tennis is a tricky sport because is based on imperceptible differences that sum up during the rallyies creating the space from worse to better players. 3 mph difference speed in the serve, 0,1 sec difference in reaction time, 50 rpm in the shots at same speed and depth...and you have dig the line between a 5.0 and a 6.0...between Serena and atp players..
Bravo Ema bravo Nick. Evo samo da napravim sebi kokice i gledam kako igrate. Bolje nego da idem u kino. Super content ! Very helpful. beautiful tennis and beautiful people :)
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Correct me if I am wrong but I think the overall strength of the man allows them to handle heavier rackets and I guess also that has influence in power, control etc. The height also plays a part because the big top spin will cause more problems to women, second serves with topspin etc. I play sometimes with a high level woman (Not pro level or tour level ) She is I think better player than me, she has more variety, better technique, better shot selection etc so If I do not play with depth because I have the racket fresh stringed and Is too powerless, she can really take control on the points and win me. But when I serve good and I am playing with depth she has no chance and in clay I just need to crash the ball with heavy topspin from the baseline and she has to hit over her shoulder all the time.
I love her forehand!
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Great Video. Really good. Best regards to Ema, Amazing actitude!, play, movements... AMAZING!! Master, you did phenomenal message. Thanks! I'm non English, without Google, I put my message. Surely is not in english. I Apololgize.
I enjoy the rallies of the WTA. When I watch the ATP the speed and power are always incredible 🤠
I believe that kick serve is much money effective as a second serve, ball accelerates after landing and comes to you like a wave, and you cant be sure in which stage is just the rotation, so it is more difficult to finnish it, unlike slice which you have to place very well and enough hard, otherwise opponent with good shot will crush you, but kick is technically much more difficult and few recreational players know how to do that, look at Samantha Stosur, it was her best shot
If the 1000 events and the slams were mens and womens only events I believe you would see how many would show up for the events. I think they should separate the events and settle the debate. They will never do it because they know the turn outs will reflect the turn outs at the lower events. I live near Winston Salem and there is a 250 Mens event here every year. They have no trouble filling seats anytime I've been there. It is always the week before a major and most players who show are trying to get more points because the favored players for the majors are taking a week off to rest before the intense two weeks leading up to the event. Love your content and your a great player. Cheers
In a market system it doesn't matter a wit if you "feel" woman's tennis should have equal prize money or if they "deserve" it, whatever that means. It's how much revenue they can get from sponsors. Even if women played 3 out of 5 in slams, which at a minimum they should if they're going to demand equal pay, that still may not justify equal pay. Or, maybe it will, depending on viewership which dictates sponsorship, etc. As far as your comment on lower level tournaments where the women get paid much less the response is; does viewers and sponsorship warrant it? Again, it does not matter at all if you happen to like WTA or not? It's very simple, does the money coming into the match generate enough to cover ATP-type prize money. So, the biggest difference between men's and women's tennis, the title to this video, is as you said: They are two different games, they cannot be compared. Serena's coach said that outright.
I don't think it's too controversial to state that the sporting audience usually prefers to watch the athlete that is stronger, faster, more agile, etc. Just like the fastest most powerful car races are most popular. Nobody cares whose driving as long as they do it well. It's called capitalizing on excitement. That you think they should automatically get equal pay because in your opinion WTA is exciting, is irrelevant as explained above. I would think you understand this well. No matter how much content you put on UA-cam, if nobody watches it then it's subpar. But you'll may argue, I put out as many videos as others who get paid much more. I should get the same compensation. I think you get where this is going. Usually excellent content Nick! Respectfully,
Read Vic Braden book on the serve She has a pause on the serve
On the kick serve conversation, she clearly said that it was mental and I believe that to be the case to a large extent. Player do have to believe that it's going to be effective and women don't have that believe while ATP players clearly do.
Yeah yo, I mean the crowd is so scanty at the WTA Finals this year. Wish I was in the states lol would be nice to go
poor marketing is one reason and tennis is just not that popular in america honestly.
Women slam semi and finals should be best of 5 sets
Huge movement towards PickleBall among women. Women's doubles, mixed doubles, the fact that women can play equally as men on the PickleBall court, the matches are even, the crowds are on top of the court, there is no bias with the rackets, all PickleBall paddles are equal, same size, same length, no string advantages, no baseline play, all net play.
Women's tennis and women's MMA are the best sports to me!!!
I would hope the biggest difference is one involves men and other: women.
...and everything that comes with it.
good point
Hi Nick, congrats on your content. I agree women tenis Is one of the best women sports, and one of the few sports women and men can compete with each other equally at the recreational level. But I respectfully disagree with your opinion of equal price money, though i agree with the intention behind it (equality and fairness i assume). I believe that tenis Is a beautiful Sport that makes money on Entertainment, for that reason i think it should distribute income through prize money according to how much money tenis players generate. Regardless of level or genre. Actually women could and should be paid more than men if pipl were to consume More women tenis than mens. If pipl buy tickets just to see Messi then probably Messi would earn More money than other players since he could just go to another team and make them More profitable. The seek for justice and equality Is the way to go but i think doing it by unfair compensation Is not a good strategy in the long term. Just a humble opinion, open to hearing different views and changing my mind.... Thanks and congrats again on your content.
Should junior girls player practice a kick serve or is it not necessary for women's tennis?
Junior players should master all serves
@@IntuitiveTennis thank you been following for awhile. Played junior tennis but now follow womens because of my daughter and noticed how it's a different game and strategy. They def play a more aggressive style and flater shots.. feels like there is a higher reward for the risk they take compared to mens.
WTA tennis is very attractive and entertaining compared to other "women's versions" of sports. Let's take women's soccer as an example 😉
Have you ever watched the WNBA?
@@djp3525 Nope. Not a fan of basketball in general.
@@djp3525 has anyone?
It’s absolutely insane. She hit forehand to forehand the entire time and then when she finally got a ball she can attack 3:40 she didn’t know how to handle it. That is a ball you attack and put away, not a ball you grunt at and miss. The difference between men’s tennis and women’s tennis is shot selection and movement.
You mean besides fitness, strength, speed, and athleticism?
I agree that women’s is more entertaining,And seems like it’s way more balanced I usually can see the outcome most grand slam tournaments. And overall I’m not really as hyped or interested in male tournaments, my favorite era of tennis was in the 90s and 2000s. And I feel like there’s a lot more emotion in the woman side overall and there’s more drama. I would’ve never said this year’s ago because I was always kind of embarrassed that I watched women’s tennis, I thought that everybody would make fun of me, nowadays I’m not as self-conscious so I don’t really care.
I watch more WTA than ATP
Nothing with it
Lol good joke wta will never reach atp
I am not politically correct at all, but tennis was co-ed from the very beginning.
The first Wimbledon championship was held in 1877 and in 1884 a women’s championship was introduced at Wimbledon.
So there is something about tennis that makes it more natural for men's and women's competitions to take place during same events.
And the women's tournament at the same event undoubtedly add to the value for spectators. Whether that is equal value is another question.
You are really wrong on the pay. In most things, people are paid what they produce. If a women's event has more revenue, then it has more to pay out in prizes. A female singer on tour, for example, earns gate minus expenses exactly the same as for a male performer. Whoever draws better and commands higher ticket prices earns more. Womens' events don't draw as strongly. Doubles' matches don't draw as strongly. Both are entertaining, but don't pay as well as mens' singles. No discrimination just economics.
I prefer watching the women play tennis a bit more than the men nowadays. Check out women's MMA. Entertaining as well.
Athletes should not be payed based on skill rather how many seats they can fill. That’s why Serena Williams got payed more than most athletes. It’s not that complicated.
Women's tennis and women's gymnastics are real crowd pleasers even compared to men. When I go to a tournament I'm much more likely to spend my time and money watching the female players.
Exactly. Gymnastics came to my mind as well. It's the same in some winter sports like skating or skiing.
Professional female athletes are good in sports where they have been to for many years. It's simply that you need many athletes and youth development (training conditions, good coaches, etc.) to get a few greats. The more the better.
A good example is female soccer that is really growing worldwide, especially in Europe where it got disrespected due to its image to be a male's sport. Since like 10 years, clubs get more and more professional and so the level of female soccer is really growing. And that really helps improving the viewing rate.
Tennis has been a sport for female and male players for a very long time. The only thing to criticize is probably athleticism in professional female tennis. There should be more players moving like Swiatek or Sakkari. Many top players have a great tennis game, but a mediocre athletic level (compared to Swiatek and Sakkari). I'd like to see more female players being in top shape. That will raise the already high level even further.
U kidding, right?
Nice joke
Actually I believe the only argument why atp players should be still paid more than wtp is grand slams. As average time spent on course of ATP players is 3,5 hours quite often matches last 5 and 5,5 hours. While wtp grand slams matches last smth like 1,5 hours, it might be 70 minutes very often. Whereas the play in ATP is not only much longer but much more competitive and more athletic as it was stated in the video. It means atp players ruin they bodies during the matches heavier, injuries (besides heavy traumas) are faced much more often. That's why I believe that at least at Grand Slams atp players should be paid more. And the fact mentioned by Nick in the video that wtp matches get more money from sponsors and watched more should be factchecked. As I've heard several times that more people buy tickets for atp matches, as well as more atp matches broadcasted on TV are watched.
The market should determine pay, and that's largely a product of revenue.
@@PaulWolfe1 is it really so? Do you ever watch tennis or visit tournament matches? If you do you know that usually there are more spectators at atp matches. Do you play tennis? If you do then you know that on average for 8 males in tennis clubs there only 2 female players. It means that among TV audience greatly prevail men too. At least at clubs in CIS countries. So where market dictates? You at least read the history of payment devision between wta/atp then you will know that tournament started paying equally in late 80s due to feminine trends for equality though tournaments got more money for male competitions.
@@andrekolesnik2376 I don't disagree with any of that. My position is that what matters is revenue. If the women were to draw more revenue, then even though men's tennis is more strenuous and riskier, it shouldn't matter. Revenue matters, however it falls.
Forehand too much of a big swing
Woohoo
Have to disagree with payment being the same. The women do not play 5 sets at Wimbledon. Simple as that!
Yes, the women's games can sometimes (occasionally) be as entertaining as the men but heh is there a female player that hits with the elegance of say Federer, Stefan Edberg?
Oh yes, for sheer enjoyment the freedom of Dustin Brown (apart from the two-handed backhand he does, although aspects of that are a joy to watch).
If women matches attract more spectators and the events make more money, women would naturally be paid more.
Real reason is the same why women don't slice or volley, they don't spend time practicing it so they mostly suck at it. Coaches just want them to camp on the baseline and hit big FH and BH. Serve is mostly getting the ball in play.
Inb4 tennis reddit says she's barely 4.0
"Tennis is a women's game", Jimmy Connors
Honestly just seems like another no go area which will invite more problems for you Nik. Sorry but seems like you might encourage more trolls here again.
Wow she’s not that great - I follow her on Instagram and thought she would move better 😮 she’s quite slow, her serve is a mess and can’t run for the on the run shots!!!
Totally disagree. You shouldn’t compare women’s tennis to other sports you compare it with men’s tennis . It’s not just the men are better . They play more in slams and they draw more crowds . It’s not even a debate ! The equal money is given to women so we don’t have the likes of Billy Jean king moaning on forever . Of course this lady is going to agree with you , she’s a female player ! She doesn’t come up with any logical argument in response . Of course you are going to say these things because you have a viewer base to consider . That’s why we are where we are and male pundits etc are afraid to speak their mind . You also prove my point by going on to say that men get paid more than women in regular tournaments. It’s because they gain more interest. This proves they are subsidising the women in slams. I add it’s but just power that separates the men it’s touch and dexterity. Women’s game around the net is far inferior to the men’s game .
Wta is crap its so slow and boring
It is not only the serve, the biggest difference is the athlethics between the sexes. First push, after split-step between men and women there are universes between. Also in running-speed and in extrem-movements, there are huge differences. A team-buddy of me (51years) played last year against a 20 years old WTA 480 (No1 U18 Woman in germany) 7:6/6:7, so you can see, 2 different worlds....
your friend probably got a little lucky too. Not all pro women are equal.
@@yakzivz1104 No, he was not lucky, he is in the over 50´s Ranking List in the Top 25 (and has a huge serve), the point is, their are huge differences in athletics & power, against another club-buddy, who is a former ATP Top 300, now 38 years old, he gets a 0:6/0:6 🙂
Nikola, can you upload some videos of you playing some tournaments? I would love to see you play and compete. It's more fun to watch that then some of these videos that's getting reptitive.
I got something planned not sure if I can pull it off tho in my current physical condition…
@@IntuitiveTennis I don't think people care if you win or lose. Or even how you perform. We are all getting older, I just want to see you compete. You can't win them all, but i'm sure you would kick ass.
@@shipwreck8847 by pulling it off I don’t mean winning or losing. My knee is very unstable and I’m risking my health by playing.
@@IntuitiveTennis Oh, ok. nevermind. i didn't realize you were at that condition. you look fine and move well in your videos. i didn't realize that. well, don't do anything that will jeopardize your health. stay healthy.
@@shipwreck8847 thank you. There are certain movements that I avoid to be safe from blowing my knee out. I talk about it here ua-cam.com/video/lQ6DhUAWxb4/v-deo.html