I initially agreed that the premise of this episode was ridiculous and more of a comic relief departure from history...until I did some google-fu and found that the deposition given by Bernart de Vignolles at the end of the episode is actually a historical document, and this shit really happened. The Prior of the Knights Hospitaller and his ragtag band of co-conspirators really did try to assassinate the Tudor leadership with astrology, and the king really did see fit to document it. I suppose the lesson is people have always been crazy and stupid, we just don't bother hiding it so much anymore.
Exactly the alchemist was getting loads of money for absolute lunacy , the fact they had that much money to spend on such a ludicrous concept , showed how corrupt they really were . I was gobsmacked Henry 7th killed sir Stanley . Yet constantly chasing the idea of edwards descendants was crazy as they were illegitimate anyway
While some might say this episode is weaker, I really like how it examined how life and culture was changing. How some people were adapting while others couldn't. That's something a lot of these mini-series don't always manage to capture.
Omg I love Uncle's coat...reversible hahahaaa...Tudor rose on the outside and the white rose of York inside...I mean no one gives you great theatricals like the British...They are incomparable...WHAT TASTEFUL FILL-INS...!!!
This series is really good for showing the beliefs and prejudices of the time via social discussions. Would that people could converse on heated matters with such intelligence these days!
As others have said, this was clearly an attempt at bringing some "light relief" to the series after the amazing philosophical content of Episode 5, and the darkness of Episode 6. It is comparatively weak- but has its merits. Interesting, for example, to consider that the reign of Henry VII is contemporary with the "High Renaissance". Also interesting to think about just how efficient and extensive historical "secret services" really were. Lastly, I think the episode deals rather well with Alchemy/Astrology. It's easy for us to scoff at it, but at the time there were many who took it very seriously, while others of course saw through it. 200 or so years later, even Isacc Newton had to seriously consider whether to dismiss astrology, or pursue it...
Smashing! There's just nothing funnier than a senile old coot and his pedantic nephew plotting to murder a king! Loved this episode for taking a break and offering a lighter moment
Warbeck spent nine years happily destabilising Henry VII's throne, and Henry was more than patient with him. Many other Kings would have ripped his arms and legs off years before. As for Warwick, rock and a hard place spring to mind.
MrsTudor1 true! Imagine if it was Henry VII's son, Henry VIII, he's messing up with - destabilizing the throne and all that. He'd surely end up his head on a pike in an instant. Haha
well, warbeck had powerful supporters like magaret of york dowager duchess of burgundy- the king of scotland, the king of france, the holy roman emperor etc.... this is a funny episode, that actually is true* there was a reversed york-tudor coat , a visit to rome, a foreign spy paid by westminster* and suspected yorkist sympathies in the church....
The Warbeck Rebellion was Henry VII's second rebellion to deal with after the Lambert Simnel Rebellion of 1486-87. The rebellion led by Perkin Warbeck was a long drawn out affair and lasted between 1491 and 1499.
True yet there was a strong feeling that Henry Tudor was the usurper & the Yorkists wanted to unite being a figurehead. As we saw previously . Henry Tudor did have a thin line to the succession & he did to on those who had made him king ie Stanley , a lot felt that the Edward line had a stronger claim , yet the more iv researched Edward the more I find him a usurper, married twice & not divorced, removed king Henry due to Henry depression, Edward & Woodville lived incredibly lavishly on the tax payer
I can't decide which "behind the scenes" aspect of this episode I like best: the fact that John Walsh is clearly at pains to keep a straight face for about half his scenes or Denis Carey's wonderfully sinister cackle at the very end of the episode...
"Killing a king... Saturn or Mars. Mars is best. Mars... that's Tuesdays." It tickles me that whoever wrote this episode actually researched astrology to do so, because all of that is actually accurate lol
Yes. There weren't enough grand events in Henry VII's reign to fill up twelve episodes, so they tracked down several more obscure or whimsical events and put them in. They're good, however.
Henry always suspected that his nobles were plotting. One day he arranged for dogs to fight a lion. He expected the lion as "king of beasts" to win. He was very angry when the dogs , working in unison ,killed the lion. To prove that the natural order should be maintained, Henry had the victorious dogs hanged as a warning about the fate of people who tried to bring down "the king of beasts". The message was not lost on the noblemen. Henry VII also participated in the Age of Exploration by sponsoring John Cabot's attempt to discover a route to Asia. Instead of finding a route to China, Cabot discovered the north eastern coast of North America. Cabo t's discovery was the basis of England's claim to North America. The writers could have used these incidents as "filler". Actually, it is not that far-fetched to show plotters resorting to poison to eliminate a king. During this period, many prominent people actually were poisoned by their enemies.
Makes sense from a production stand point. The main cast and team can film the other episodes, this episode can be filmed at the same time with the ancilliary cast and crew with minimal input from the main cast.
@@Orphen42Othere is a later episode devoted to Henry VII's sponsorship of John Cabot's expedition. It was indeed of great significance to Britain's claims in North America
It’s a interesting episode as it makes me read up more on other religions & how other faiths were treated . This theological dominance of Catholics, Christianity, I’m a atheist & would of been burnt probably as a heretic or a witch as I’m a woman .
I love Henry VII, He was more brilliant then he is given credit for. He was diplomatic at a time when those of royal blood were more interested in slaughtering each other then working out their differences for England's benefit.He was slow to anger and forgiving, the true embodiment of a King. I would have loved to sit down with him and have a conversation. He must have had a very inspired mind. I only wish his son had been more like him.
I think Henry was never really, or at least never really felt he was, in a position where he was strong enough to simply ride roughshod over people, even his worst enemies. Hence his diplomacy and politic clemency.
And Henry viii was a giant cuckoo , he was left who a huge amount in the treasury & left us virtually bankrupt when Mary came to the thrown . Henry Tudor didn’t have mistresses loved his wife cried & could not speak for days when she died , openly cried when Arthur died . Henry viii was a greedy self indulgent mass murderer who killed two wives & nearly a third Parr . He exploited all the power his father had logistically worked so hard for . Ripped our country apart during the reformation, smashed abbeys , lied about pardoning the ppl who rallied against the demolition of there abbeys & was even aggressive with Jane Seymour when she had concern for the destruction.
Though H vii treated Catherine of Aragon appallingly, leaving her in a politically trap taking her dowry after Arthur died . I’m not a fan of any monarch. We need a republic here in England
Parliament The nobility had already seen that loyalty to Henry would be rewarded by placing them in local government. Thus, Henry VII found it easy to exert his power over the House of Lords, which was made up of senior clergy and peers. Henry VII's leverage over the House of Lords, the most powerful body in parliament, helped him consolidate his power. The House of Commons was primarily comprised of rich merchants and lawyers and had begun to gain a lot of power by the time Henry became King. Henry VI recognised the body's significance to England's economic growth, and this understanding greatly helped Henry VII's economy.
Similar quality BBC 70s period dramas here on UA-cam is 'The Devil's Crown' & the civil war (British!) 'By the Sword Divided', both highly recommended.
I'm trying to understand why exactly 3 episodes of this series, numbers 9, 10, and 11, are blocked because of "copyright" reasons, when we can see the first 8 and the last 2 just fine. It's from 1971; who still needs to monetize it at all? But especially just those 3 episodes? Seems absurd to me.
The Warbeck Rebellion was Henry VII's second rebellion to deal with after the Lambert Simnel Rebellion of 1486-87. The rebellion led by Perkin Warbeck was a long drawn out affair and lasted between 1491 and 1499.
I'm sure the poison conspiracy existed, but history seems sorely limited with regard to Sir John Kendal, Archdeacon Hussey, or Sir John Tonge...I wish there were more information. I'd love to research the whole series of events more thoroughly.
Richard iii wasn’t the tyrant that Shakespeare was commissioned to write . Shakespeare was commissioned by Elizabeth 1st Tudor, therefore out of his brilliance he created propaganda against Richard iii which stuck up to when he was recently discovered, to not be a hunch back etc or Machiavellian. The war of the roses was a surprise that Henry Tudor won in battle & thanks to Stanley’s army he was triumphant. Yet Henry Tudor was a skilled politician getting the balance of state & church from the start
Surprised they didn’t see them as alchemist , and saw that as dark and related to the occult Yeah, they were intellectually ahead because it was the case of understanding what happens via the stars Their interpretation have been through the planets, planetary all movements, the stars
“ the uncle “ wants war & brilliantly says what’s the church coming to buy not being at war “ younger generation are the worst of times , how every generation says this ‘ the Pope was peaceful with the Turks for trade . Wouldn’t need to the hypocrisy of the church church man, how they wanted constant warfare when they’re meant to think of turning the other cheek Blessed are the peacemakers . Peace was kept also for trade reasons, but it was hilarious. The way that you kept wanting war “
It isn't so much astrology itself that is the problem, rather the ways in which some misguided fools interpret/use it. The briefest link made with the Kabbalah, somewhat over 'shadowed' (sorry couldn't resist) by the relative humour in this episode is interesting considering the constant virtue signalling from the bbc these days. I enjoyed it very much overall. Peter Bowles was a bit of a (welcome) surprise but his French accent is a little flaky here although it probably is the main ingredient keeping this on such a light level. Killing a king is a very serious matter though so I can also appreciate how some comments show disapproval. It is certainly a departure from what went before. I am intrigued to see how the remainder of this series plays out. Thanks again.
Ah ha!! So this is why they indicated at the end of the White Queen that one of the twins was replaced with a lookalike and taken over the channel to Flanders, etc. My question is how much proof is there that this is what occurred or is this just more historical Inaccuracy on the part of the creators of that series....
+Patrick Comerford Thay may bullshit, because you cant trust what Phillipa "I don't known nothing about history" Gregory make, hell, she is the only person in England that believe that Anne Boleyn was really guilty of her charges, believe that Henry VII was a rapist and Elizabeth I was a psychopath.
+TheKeyser94 Suspecting Henry VII of that is not completely implausible and to be honest almost any medieval ruler could be considered a psychopath by our standards though I did not feel Gregory was stating Elizabeth was a psychopath whatsoever. I did strongly disagree with how submissive she painted Elizabeth the I. She didn't even show us the infamous rages she would fly into- she was always just saying how she was unsure of everything and couldn't refuse any of Robert's wishes (bullshit to me).
+Patrick Comerford A few years ago the "heart of the prince", which has famously been said to be the heart of one of Elizabeth's brothers, was genetically tested. Turns out it WAS the heart of a prince. So the case is more or less closed; the ancient rumours about the twins being mutilated and killed then hidden away appears to be true. The jailers don't just let one go while torturing and disemboweling the other.
HappyandAtheist Wow, you ruined a perfectly good joke. See, this is the kind of audience I get on YT: no sense of comedy. did you REALLY think I was serious, or are you trolling? For the record though: 1-Who cares? I could say that about the Byzantines who occupied the city prior to 637. Frankly, I grow tired of Jews, Muslims, and Christians fighting each other over a piece of semi-desert, All because the Romans kicked the Jews out of that place. How about all three just share the place and get it over with, instead of calling each other thieves? 3-What made you think I'm a Muslim? If I am, then I'm hardly bothered, since last I heard religions are not physical entities.
+Albukhshi you make a great point. I wish these 3 religions would stop fighting each other and just get along. you can have respect for one another while disagreeing.
Er, who did he murder, exactly? All Kings had to sign death warrants, but it wasn't murder. Were they all haunted, or is haunting reserved for Henry VII? If I were you, I'd get a feel for the era before making moral judgements. As for cowardly, he fought for his crown three times. And won. He was almost killed during the first military engagement. There's cowardly, right there. Murdering two children to seize the crown, now that IS cowardly.
That episode should have never of happened. I expected Sid James & Kenneth Williams to walk on! What were they thinking of. Still if Shakespeare can do light comedy...
Although I enjoyed this episode, it makes far too light of the ancient Levantine and Mediterranean expertise with even the subtlest poisons and their rather common use. I think a few millenia of history, including the present, would have to be rewritten, were we to know the full extent of the use of poisons.
xanderxine. Sorry, its not the Major, similiar, but if you Google Fawlty you will see. This old coot was in another comedy but cant drag it up, hmmm possibly something like Hi De Hi or the French Resistance comedy. Cant rmbr the title of that now! Its bugging me! Right, he played the part of a waiter & he shuffled on & off with a white napkin thing on his arm, doing the sniffing twitching thing with his face. Ok, Allo Allo is the series & I think thats where he was. Right I will Google it...No, its not Allo Allo.. Hmmm.. Right, I am back with this Edit, ref your wrong Major from Fawlty Tours role. Ive just got his role & tv series he was playing in the 1970s, took 24hrs for my brain cells to regurgitate it! Ok... THE DUCHESS OF DUKE STREET!! He was the waiter, hence my image above mentioned. It wasnt a comedy, but a period drama that had its comedic moments. Over & out!
Lytton333 maybe we are at x purposes here. The fella I am on about is at the very start 2.13 after the wench stealing the groats after her wenching. Peter Bowles is the other actor. Anyway my guy is not Busby but the waiter out of Duchess of Duke Street. I cant go thru the complete ep again to find Busby. Give me his time slot for yours. :-)
xanderxine yup u are rite, tho my guy is with him so I will take a point! Too old grand coots. Didnt see Busby at first, tho my guy is waiter Duch. of Duke St. Bet they had some tales to tell in their teabreak!
All this determination to oust Henry Tudor when Edward IV had several illegitimate children by different women and in 1483 all his seven surviving children with Queen Elizabeth (née Woodville) were declared illegitimate. This led to the coronation of his brother Richard III in place of his son Edward V.
He was.coward. Albeit, a very clever one for the time....the only reason he survived. There was no constitutional right to the throne. He died a bumbling old man....haunted by those he had murdered.
The vile attack on the Jewish community during this time remembering the Spanish Inquisition was happening. Jewish ppl could not openly practice under Henry Tudor & we’re used economically, Henry 11 expulsion was appalling
I initially agreed that the premise of this episode was ridiculous and more of a comic relief departure from history...until I did some google-fu and found that the deposition given by Bernart de Vignolles at the end of the episode is actually a historical document, and this shit really happened. The Prior of the Knights Hospitaller and his ragtag band of co-conspirators really did try to assassinate the Tudor leadership with astrology, and the king really did see fit to document it.
I suppose the lesson is people have always been crazy and stupid, we just don't bother hiding it so much anymore.
Never make plans with Rasputin when Mercury is retrograde.
Exactly the alchemist was getting loads of money for absolute lunacy , the fact they had that much money to spend on such a ludicrous concept , showed how corrupt they really were . I was gobsmacked Henry 7th killed sir Stanley . Yet constantly chasing the idea of edwards descendants was crazy as they were illegitimate anyway
If someone can get a person to believe one absurdity the groundwork is laid for believing person to accept more.
That's because the crazy, stupid people don't see themselves as crazy and stupid. 😃
Sounds like this is the authentic and original version of "Star Wars", I guess.... 🤣
While some might say this episode is weaker, I really like how it examined how life and culture was changing. How some people were adapting while others couldn't. That's something a lot of these mini-series don't always manage to capture.
I love this one. The whole business of “ killing the king “ is hilarious. I feel for Morton’s agent at the end : “
Write everything down” 😂
Very pleased to see the Major from Fawlty Towers making an appearance in this episode!
“ I took a young lady to see India… at the Oval, she kept calling them the …😂😂
Omg I love Uncle's coat...reversible hahahaaa...Tudor rose on the outside and the white rose of York inside...I mean no one gives you great theatricals like the British...They are incomparable...WHAT TASTEFUL FILL-INS...!!!
This is the comic relief episode...'and it works well!
Absolutely hilarious and well done.
"I am reluctant to discuss my successes in this field for obvious reasons..." Love him! :)
Yes great acting and scripts. Very detailed and intelligently done. Worth watching more than once.
It's detailed. I like that. It shows a human Henry VII for a change - even better.
He was hardly in it. A complete damp squib.
This series is really good for showing the beliefs and prejudices of the time via social discussions. Would that people could converse on heated matters with such intelligence these days!
Fabulous comic writing and acting. It's more like an episode of Blackadder! And that's no criticism 😊
When I started watching this I understood the humour of Blackadder the first more. Not as appreciated as the later series but has its own charm.
And the best part is that this shit actually happened!
As others have said, this was clearly an attempt at bringing some "light relief" to the series after the amazing philosophical content of Episode 5, and the darkness of Episode 6.
It is comparatively weak- but has its merits. Interesting, for example, to consider that the reign of Henry VII is contemporary with the "High Renaissance". Also interesting to think about just how efficient and extensive historical "secret services" really were. Lastly, I think the episode deals rather well with Alchemy/Astrology. It's easy for us to scoff at it, but at the time there were many who took it very seriously, while others of course saw through it.
200 or so years later, even Isacc Newton had to seriously consider whether to dismiss astrology, or pursue it...
Well said & informative - thanks for posting!
There are still stupid people believing in the stars eg mystic meg in the newspaper 😂
Smashing! There's just nothing funnier than a senile old coot and his pedantic nephew plotting to murder a king! Loved this episode for taking a break and offering a lighter moment
Warbeck spent nine years happily destabilising Henry VII's throne, and Henry was more than patient with him. Many other Kings would have ripped his arms and legs off years before. As for Warwick, rock and a hard place spring to mind.
MrsTudor1 true! Imagine if it was Henry VII's son, Henry VIII, he's messing up with - destabilizing the throne and all that. He'd surely end up his head on a pike in an instant. Haha
well, warbeck had powerful supporters like magaret of york dowager duchess of burgundy- the king of scotland, the king of france, the holy roman emperor etc....
this is a funny episode, that actually is true* there was a reversed york-tudor coat , a visit to rome, a foreign spy paid by westminster* and suspected yorkist sympathies in the church....
The Warbeck Rebellion was Henry VII's second rebellion to deal with after the Lambert Simnel Rebellion of 1486-87. The rebellion led by Perkin Warbeck was a long drawn out affair and lasted between 1491 and 1499.
True yet there was a strong feeling that Henry Tudor was the usurper & the Yorkists wanted to unite being a figurehead. As we saw previously . Henry Tudor did have a thin line to the succession & he did to on those who had made him king ie Stanley , a lot felt that the Edward line had a stronger claim , yet the more iv researched Edward the more I find him a usurper, married twice & not divorced, removed king Henry due to Henry depression, Edward & Woodville lived incredibly lavishly on the tax payer
It's a very light hearted episode. Henry VII was very fortunate in that so many of his enemies were fools!
tnecklover his enemies were fools and he was so clever. haha
Master John: an avid snake oil salesman.
I can't decide which "behind the scenes" aspect of this episode I like best: the fact that John Walsh is clearly at pains to keep a straight face for about half his scenes or Denis Carey's wonderfully sinister cackle at the very end of the episode...
"Killing a king... Saturn or Mars. Mars is best. Mars... that's Tuesdays." It tickles me that whoever wrote this episode actually researched astrology to do so, because all of that is actually accurate lol
Best episode of the series. Pure comedy gold.
The worst episode. A waste of time & leave the comic touch to Shakespeare's quill.
That reversible white rose/red rose coat is absolutely hilarious
Hysterical 🤣
I missed it. Do you have a time?
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I Really enjoyed this episode with Sir John Kendal, his silly nephew and Bernard the Frenchman who sounds like Inspector Clouseau
"So perish all traitors!"
Down the toilet?
Yes. There weren't enough grand events in Henry VII's reign to fill up twelve episodes, so they tracked down several more obscure or whimsical events and put them in. They're good, however.
Henry always suspected that his nobles were plotting. One day he arranged for dogs to fight a lion. He expected the lion as "king of beasts" to win. He was very angry when the dogs , working in unison ,killed the lion. To prove that the natural order should be maintained, Henry had the victorious dogs hanged as a warning about the fate of people who tried to bring down "the king of beasts". The message was not lost on the noblemen. Henry VII also participated in the Age of Exploration by sponsoring John Cabot's attempt to discover a route to Asia. Instead of finding a route to China, Cabot discovered the north eastern coast of North America. Cabo t's discovery was the basis of England's claim to North America. The writers could have used these incidents as "filler". Actually, it is not that far-fetched to show plotters resorting to poison to eliminate a king. During this period, many prominent people actually were poisoned by their enemies.
Makes sense from a production stand point. The main cast and team can film the other episodes, this episode can be filmed at the same time with the ancilliary cast and crew with minimal input from the main cast.
@@Orphen42Othere is a later episode devoted to Henry VII's sponsorship of John Cabot's expedition. It was indeed of great significance to Britain's claims in North America
It’s a interesting episode as it makes me read up more on other religions & how other faiths were treated . This theological dominance of Catholics, Christianity, I’m a atheist & would of been burnt probably as a heretic or a witch as I’m a woman .
I love Henry VII, He was more brilliant then he is given credit for. He was diplomatic at a time when those of royal blood were more interested in slaughtering each other then working out their differences for England's benefit.He was slow to anger and forgiving, the true embodiment of a King. I would have loved to sit down with him and have a conversation. He must have had a very inspired mind. I only wish his son had been more like him.
So true. His son was the Nero of England.
I think Henry was never really, or at least never really felt he was, in a position where he was strong enough to simply ride roughshod over people, even his worst enemies. Hence his diplomacy and politic clemency.
And Henry viii was a giant cuckoo , he was left who a huge amount in the treasury & left us virtually bankrupt when Mary came to the thrown . Henry Tudor didn’t have mistresses loved his wife cried & could not speak for days when she died , openly cried when Arthur died . Henry viii was a greedy self indulgent mass murderer who killed two wives & nearly a third Parr . He exploited all the power his father had logistically worked so hard for . Ripped our country apart during the reformation, smashed abbeys , lied about pardoning the ppl who rallied against the demolition of there abbeys & was even aggressive with Jane Seymour when she had concern for the destruction.
@@388Caroline or Caligula
Though H vii treated Catherine of Aragon appallingly, leaving her in a politically trap taking her dowry after Arthur died . I’m not a fan of any monarch. We need a republic here in England
I like the crazy uncle and his half baked schemes.
Parliament
The nobility had already seen that loyalty to Henry would be rewarded by placing them in local government. Thus, Henry VII found it easy to exert his power over the House of Lords, which was made up of senior clergy and peers. Henry VII's leverage over the House of Lords, the most powerful body in parliament, helped him consolidate his power.
The House of Commons was primarily comprised of rich merchants and lawyers and had begun to gain a lot of power by the time Henry became King. Henry VI recognised the body's significance to England's economic growth, and this understanding greatly helped Henry VII's economy.
This is what you get for trusting your astrology to Rasputin.
Similar quality BBC 70s period dramas here on UA-cam is 'The Devil's Crown' & the civil war (British!) 'By the Sword Divided', both highly recommended.
What a ray of sunshine Sir John is ;)
46:26 That face XD Of course everything, good sir, the next generations need to laugh too.
Carry On Warbeck? How to model the YORKSHIRE "reversible "
I'm trying to understand why exactly 3 episodes of this series, numbers 9, 10, and 11, are blocked because of "copyright" reasons, when we can see the first 8 and the last 2 just fine. It's from 1971; who still needs to monetize it at all? But especially just those 3 episodes? Seems absurd to me.
Bernardo reminds me a bit of Monty Python's Eric Idle!
The Warbeck Rebellion was Henry VII's second rebellion to deal with after the Lambert Simnel Rebellion of 1486-87. The rebellion led by Perkin Warbeck was a long drawn out affair and lasted between 1491 and 1499.
9:45 Ah, always good to see Peter Bowles! He was memorable as Marshal Murat in the mini-series “Napoleon and Love” (1974).
Is he in the first few minutes?
@@racheldemain1940 No; Peter Bowles appears throughout this episode of "The Shadow of the Tower."
I'm sure the poison conspiracy existed, but history seems sorely limited with regard to Sir John Kendal, Archdeacon Hussey, or Sir John Tonge...I wish there were more information. I'd love to research the whole series of events more thoroughly.
This is all I can find: erenow.net/postclassical/the-last-white-rose-the-secret-wars-of-the-tudors/12.php
I love this episode.
The Borgias were a crazy bunch. They talked of getting rid of their enemies over dinner.
Rasputin!
This episode was comedic. Apparently a break to the other "heavier" episodes. Kind of like "The Trouble with Tribbles" on Star Trek TOS.
"It's beginning to form a peak." It's like this episode was written by a different writer than the others. Like an episode of Blackadder.
This series is fantastic. Thank you for posting it. Anyone notice the two people at 10:43 are about to break character? :)
I remember the actor who in I Claudius ironically talking about poison
Given the comic, almost loony premise, this episode is a bit ponderous in how it unfolds
Toledo, not Madrid was the capital or court center at this time in Spanish history.
Love this
Richard iii wasn’t the tyrant that Shakespeare was commissioned to write . Shakespeare was commissioned by Elizabeth 1st Tudor, therefore out of his brilliance he created propaganda against Richard iii which stuck up to when he was recently discovered, to not be a hunch back etc or Machiavellian. The war of the roses was a surprise that Henry Tudor won in battle & thanks to Stanley’s army he was triumphant. Yet Henry Tudor was a skilled politician getting the balance of state & church from the start
Surprised they didn’t see them as alchemist , and saw that as dark and related to the occult Yeah, they were intellectually ahead because it was the case of understanding what happens via the stars Their interpretation have been through the planets, planetary all movements, the stars
“ the uncle “ wants war & brilliantly says what’s the church coming to buy not being at war “ younger generation are the worst of times , how every generation says this ‘ the Pope was peaceful with the Turks for trade . Wouldn’t need to the hypocrisy of the church church man, how they wanted constant warfare when they’re meant to think of turning the other cheek Blessed are the peacemakers . Peace was kept also for trade reasons, but it was hilarious. The way that you kept wanting war “
Omg!!!! This part of this series is actually true. I had to do a little research. I can’t believe such stupidity actually happened. It’s so funny😂🤣😂🤣😂
It isn't so much astrology itself that is the problem, rather the ways in which some misguided fools interpret/use it. The briefest link made with the Kabbalah, somewhat over 'shadowed' (sorry couldn't resist) by the relative humour in this episode is interesting considering the constant virtue signalling from the bbc these days.
I enjoyed it very much overall. Peter Bowles was a bit of a (welcome) surprise but his French accent is a little flaky here although it probably is the main ingredient keeping this on such a light level. Killing a king is a very serious matter though so I can also appreciate how some comments show disapproval. It is certainly a departure from what went before. I am intrigued to see how the remainder of this series plays out. Thanks again.
the man playing the bushop is mr woodhouse in the bbc emma made around this time
this is hilarious
HILLARIOUS!!!! :)))))
The Turk 😂😂😁😁😱😱
During Henry VII's rule, the relationship between the Church and the State was Erastian. This meant that the state had supremacy over the church.
"Forgiving"? Try telling that to Warwick & Warbeck. As for HVIII, the sins of the son are visited on the father.
It will be expensive and it will take some time.
This was a opportunity for the females around the thrown to be more represented
Ah ha!! So this is why they indicated at the end of the White Queen that one of the twins was replaced with a lookalike and taken over the channel to Flanders, etc. My question is how much proof is there that this is what occurred or is this just more historical Inaccuracy on the part of the creators of that series....
Patrick Comerford We will never know for certain, but the likelihood that one of those boys survived while the other didn't is extremely low.
+Patrick Comerford Thay may bullshit, because you cant trust what Phillipa "I don't known nothing about history" Gregory make, hell, she is the only person in England that believe that Anne Boleyn was really guilty of her charges, believe that Henry VII was a rapist and Elizabeth I was a psychopath.
+TheKeyser94 Suspecting Henry VII of that is not completely implausible and to be honest almost any medieval ruler could be considered a psychopath by our standards though I did not feel Gregory was stating Elizabeth was a psychopath whatsoever. I did strongly disagree with how submissive she painted Elizabeth the I. She didn't even show us the infamous rages she would fly into- she was always just saying how she was unsure of everything and couldn't refuse any of Robert's wishes (bullshit to me).
+Patrick Comerford A few years ago the "heart of the prince", which has famously been said to be the heart of one of Elizabeth's brothers, was genetically tested. Turns out it WAS the heart of a prince. So the case is more or less closed; the ancient rumours about the twins being mutilated and killed then hidden away appears to be true. The jailers don't just let one go while torturing and disemboweling the other.
James Repstock
Curious about this. Do you have a link to an article or something similar?
@ 9:44
If you're a clue, I can see now how my ancestors drove the military orders out of the holy land...
HappyandAtheist
Wow, you ruined a perfectly good joke.
See, this is the kind of audience I get on YT: no sense of comedy.
did you REALLY think I was serious, or are you trolling?
For the record though:
1-Who cares? I could say that about the Byzantines who occupied the city prior to 637. Frankly, I grow tired of Jews, Muslims, and Christians fighting each other over a piece of semi-desert, All because the Romans kicked the Jews out of that place. How about all three just share the place and get it over with, instead of calling each other thieves?
3-What made you think I'm a Muslim? If I am, then I'm hardly bothered, since last I heard religions are not physical entities.
+Albukhshi you make a great point. I wish these 3 religions would stop fighting each other and just get along. you can have respect for one another while disagreeing.
Er, who did he murder, exactly? All Kings had to sign death warrants, but it wasn't murder. Were they all haunted, or is haunting reserved for Henry VII? If I were you, I'd get a feel for the era before making moral judgements.
As for cowardly, he fought for his crown three times. And won. He was almost killed during the first military engagement. There's cowardly, right there. Murdering two children to seize the crown, now that IS cowardly.
That episode should have never of happened. I expected Sid James & Kenneth Williams to walk on! What were they thinking of. Still if Shakespeare can do light comedy...
Unbelievably, this seems to have actually happened. Bernart de Vignolles' deposition is a historical document.
Although I enjoyed this episode, it makes far too light of the ancient Levantine and Mediterranean expertise with even the subtlest poisons and their rather common use. I think a few millenia of history, including the present, would have to be rewritten, were we to know the full extent of the use of poisons.
27:50 - 30:25 thats the Major from Fawlty Towers
xanderxine. Sorry, its not the Major, similiar, but if you Google Fawlty you will see. This old coot was in another comedy but cant drag it up, hmmm possibly something like Hi De Hi or the French Resistance comedy. Cant rmbr the title of that now! Its bugging me! Right, he played the part of a waiter & he shuffled on & off with a white napkin thing on his arm, doing the sniffing twitching thing with his face. Ok, Allo Allo is the series & I think thats where he was. Right I will Google it...No, its not Allo Allo.. Hmmm.. Right, I am back with this Edit, ref your wrong Major from Fawlty Tours role. Ive just got his role & tv series he was playing in the 1970s, took 24hrs for my brain cells to regurgitate it! Ok... THE DUCHESS OF DUKE STREET!! He was the waiter, hence my image above mentioned. It wasnt a comedy, but a period drama that had its comedic moments. Over & out!
It is the Major. . AKA Ballard Berkeley. See the cast list at the end
Lytton333 maybe we are at x purposes here. The fella I am on about is at the very start 2.13 after the wench stealing the groats after her wenching. Peter Bowles is the other actor. Anyway my guy is not Busby but the waiter out of Duchess of Duke Street. I cant go thru the complete ep again to find Busby. Give me his time slot for yours. :-)
Lytton333 ah u hav gave it. Pse wait.
xanderxine yup u are rite, tho my guy is with him so I will take a point! Too old grand coots. Didnt see Busby at first, tho my guy is waiter Duch. of Duke St. Bet they had some tales to tell in their teabreak!
Is that a turkey on the dinner table?
No. It's a capon.
Several of the episodes of this series merely appear to have been added to fill up space.
All this determination to oust Henry Tudor when Edward IV had several illegitimate children by different women and in 1483 all his seven surviving children with Queen Elizabeth (née Woodville) were declared illegitimate. This led to the coronation of his brother Richard III in place of his son Edward V.
They were all illegitimate as Edward IV and the king's grey mare were not legally married
What does young Sir John say at 12:15
Ah! Thanks, that's why his Uncle was surprised haha
you mean like filler episodes?
He was.coward. Albeit, a very clever one for the time....the only reason he survived. There was no constitutional right to the throne. He died a bumbling old man....haunted by those he had murdered.
An odd episode this one.. a strange brew of whimsy and cynicism.
The mediocrity of Henry's enemies in this episode is unreal. They could hardly elicit more than a sad laugh from Henry and Morton.
this episode could have been better handled
I like when Henry says to Morton “ who is that odd looking man”… then “ him “😂
Please tell me this was not actually a plan to kill the king. This is like a damn Monty Python episode.
It was real , Henry Tudor had a astrologer in his entourage so they did think that astrology would kill kings
Google says it really did happen. Believe me, I’m as shocked as you are.
It's all totally true and well researched - you couldn't make it up
wench!
The vile attack on the Jewish community during this time remembering the Spanish Inquisition was happening. Jewish ppl could not openly practice under Henry Tudor & we’re used economically, Henry 11 expulsion was appalling
Astrologers don't prepare potions. This person is an alchemist. Poorly written episode.
Some folk surely dabbled both in astrology and alchemy
It is funny though
This one is written by someone else surely? What terrible acting too. Have enjoyed the others so far.