This is great. The scene between the tower guardsmen and the man accused of heresy was so compelling. Can't imagine a show today purring that kind of focus on such "inconsequential" characters, bur it enhances the series that they do.
Great dialogue between them, particularly the scene (44:30) where the heretic "confessess" recanting to the guardsman. He tries to defend himself by suggesting he "might have been wrong" and the young guardsman retorts, angrily, "It made sense to me!". Just as the gaoler warned, the guardsman's been influenced by "the Devils' alchemy": he's become a heretic himself! No wonder, secretly meeting in the dead of night to discuss heresy over a bottle of wine with a condemned heretic. That would've been judged by the Church as a "coven". In a few years that young lad will be following the same path as the heretic to Stake. Great dialogue, indeed.
@@davidstevenson9517 that was amazing. That was so moving the dialogue was exquisite and the portrayal by the actors was incredible and deeply moving.
This series is sublime, but I weep for the state of UK television nowadays. To think, drama was once so intelligent and poignant! A very relevant and timeless take on convictions, blind faith, dogmatism and humanity
For those who wonder why they burnt the prisoner anyway after he recanted was because he had been in prison before for the same heresy and recanted. This was his second time for the same offense. According to the law, you can recant once and they will forgive you. But the second time although you recant, you will still be burnt. I really like the whole series and am thankful I saw all 13 episodes before they cut out 9-11!
You should watch Isabel (about Isabella, the 1° of Castille) and it's sequel movie and tv show: "La Corona Partida" and "Carlos, Rey Emperador" respectively.
A very good episode. 'Heresy' has not gone away; the attitude of the mass of population and the establishment to ideas which threaten its power is still much the same. They don't get burned at the stake anymore but they can have their lives completely ruined. Just look at Julian Assange.
Vevey2004 ,,hi just seen ur coment,touching to see but mocked him at the end when there was only bones left of the man,,,,Henry,saying well have you found God and peace,,,i felt right at that moment what a prick,,,,how ever ,,very good mini seris,,,we dont ever see anything like these now a day,,from Devils crown,to Edward vii,,,,,it was the golden age for making these,,em,,you might also like,a mini series called the ceasers,,,made and broadcast in 1969,,to great a claim,won the ,,69,,Cain film festvial,,nice taling,,,
This vintage British TV series is unquestionably a classic. I commend not only the acting but the script as well... I no longer hear the same quality of dialogues in our contemporary period dramas. No matter how many times I watch this series, I never cease to be fascinated by the elegance of its LANGUAGE, the poetic cadence of its sentences and phrases, the spontaneity and quickness of its wit. I dare say that it has elevated the English language to a sublime level: the PHONETICS here is simply unparalleled and I have never heard the Queen's English enunciated with such consummate skill. At the risk of sounding fulsome, I was so moved by the beauty of its language that I almost wept. Even the masterful use of intonation and voice modulation is nothing short of majestic. Eventually, I ended up asking why we don't have this same quality in our contemporary TV series in this digital age? Perhaps my taste is rather archaicc but part of the answer could lie in the fact that even the English language may have evolved alongside technological advances -- the two being inversely proportional to each other (for lack of a better term). Watching "Shadows of the Tower" is much like earning the privilege of seeing the Royal Shakespeare... for free. It is sheer joy. Kudos!
This series is outstanding. How does the BBC could get superior actors together with such a quality script? Wish they could do things like this in the USA.
Superb programme; especially the King's second talk with the Lollard. Subtle characterization and real depth, rarely to be found in television nowadays.
Made by the BBC which doesn't have advertising, that means no pressure to please advertisers, only will the viewer watch it, yup we did back then with only 3 channels. In the 50s America TV with advertiser's made bold live plays with great actors to be like Newman, McQueen & Palance. Now, just pap & drivel.
The dialogues between Henry and the Heretic (Lollard former Catholic priest) are theologically profound yet easily grasped. It makes this episode especially interesting. The cruelty of King, Law, and Church in what they conceive as a good cause is indeed chilling. It is a lesson in how people can believe that they are doing good and pleasing God by acting horribly towards another human being. No longer are such laws around and no one in England is put to death by burning today yet some are treated with cruelty for 'heresy' and "apostasy" in England today. So in a way the lesson learned was to be less brutal, and yet one hopes that the lesson learned would be to become kind and gracious towards others.
I'm trying to understand why exactly 3 episodes of this series, numbers 9, 10, and 11, are blocked because of "copyright" reasons, when we can see the first 8 and the last 2 just fine. It's from 1971; who still needs to monetize it at all? But especially just those 3 episodes? Seems absurd to me.
Immensely talented and instantly recognizable, Peter Jeffrey was one of a great generation of British actors who were comfortable in everything from classical theatre to television comedy.
The irony of course is that about 40 years later Henry vii's own son would challenge the Pope, break up the Catholic Church in England and would be denounced as a heretic by Catholic Europe!
The Greek word Katholicos means to teach the fullness of the gospel truth.. It has been corrupted by Rome to preach submission to an organisation. The Orthodox Church, and those who embrace if teachings, are "catholic". Rome never had any claim to be any of the four marks of the Church.
Thank you for posting all of these. This particular episode is one of my favorites. I have been rewatching the whole series recently on my PS4. For those interested in the Wars of the Roses and the era of the Tudors, watching this series is invaluable.
Also there showing the 1970 Henry v111 & his six wives , on the BBC atm made in the same style ( theatre 🎭) I also absolutely admired wolf hall . These are so much more outstanding than the ridiculous Tudors with Johnathan R Myers . I don’t understand y ppl were enamoured by it as it was historically inaccurate & just soft porn Yet this , wolf hall make history enthralling
Perhaps, EM-iz9kg, people are enarmouered because the "Tudors" IS soft porn and is NOT historically accurate but history as they desire it to be. Possilbly a reflection of a TV audience brought up on cheap "consumerism": they can pick and choose what suits them, style rather than substance, if it feels good it IS good.🍞🎪💻
Watching this is almost the same as sitting in the front row of a small theatre. Low angle direction, multiple cameras filming, no background music and sets cast deep in shadow (that damned Tower!). Highly engaging scripts and performances guarantee repeat viewing by appreciative audiences.
As an atheist that has endured the mental torment and confusion before finding logic, this was very disturbing and a scary stroll down memory lane. But it is also nice to realize that I live in a less barbaric, first world country where I can express these opinions without being burned.
@@elizabeths4371 but under that evil middle eastern regime of recent times, people have been subjected to all manner of barbaric executions..for whatever reason that obnoxious evil cult decided was not what THEY desired..i believe burning was part of it..considering what was shown around the world..totally sickening..so maybe you are safe in whatever country you live in.. but many others have suffered recently and are still suffering because of crackpots who believe everyone should be the same.
Knowledge and learning are the most powerful gift one can give thy n self, And History can set a being free to all understanding's of this world.. I simply
King Henry is intrigued by a preacher who is arrested for heresy and speaks with him to persuade him to give up his dissension against the practices of the Catholic Church. The preacher emphasizes to him the simplicity of the Gospel, and his suffering and convictions impress a young Tower guard.
Great vintage tv. You dont have to spend half a million or more on a lavish set up. Here it was filmed in-house ie a studio floor with carpenters et al creating scenes a la Corrie & delivered like a Shakespearian staged play & yes, with diction we can hear & understand. Thanks for post.
How amazingly intelligent was that dialogue, pure episode of theological debate. Not like the ludicrous “ Tudors “ series with JRM , who looked absolutely nothing like Henry viii & had sex scenes constantly & was historically inaccurate. We need to return to this type of production , it all comes from the theatre
What a moving drama. It was very affecting to me, and an unexpected story line to follow the 1487 Yorkist rebellion. I suppose I'll have to ask the writers of this episode (if any are still alive), but apart from the fact that the Lollards were persecuted for heresy during the reign of Henry VII (and earlier and later monarchs), is there any historical basis for the story in this episode? When I compare this low-budget, wonderfully written and acted series to modern "historical" dramas (like The Tudors or Becoming Elizabeth, which are just horrible), I also weep.
Strange how things change. The Heresy here, in 150yrs ends up killing a King! Puritanism had deep roots. This is an excellent series I've never seen before. Made when the BBC actually made decent programmes worth the licence fee. Pity they've strayed so far from the path now.
Watching this has confirmed to me even more that nothing has changed since these Medieval times. You still see the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and disabled treated like nothings. We should have evolved and learned from these grim medieval times, but people still don't give a dam about anyone but themselves, it is very sad. 🙁
Totally agree , the disparity between the wealthy landed gentry & us the people have not changed , there still getting loads of tax free money for stately homes , poverty is continuing even though we’re such a rich country, I adore historically programs Yes I totally agree it hasn’t changed
Life during the 15th century was harsh and physical. Life expectancy at that time was just 35 years! Although most people lived in small rural villages, some cities had developed including London, Bristol and Norwich. Most people were farmers but the mining of tin, coal and lead were also popular and profitable for those who controlled it . No rights for the people , no rights to vote & as a woman we had to subservient to men
Peter jeffery plays the so called Heretic, he’s a phenomenal actor we saw him again in Elizabeth R playing Bloody Mary’s is Spanish husband, who is more in love with Elizabeth 1 than he was with Mary ( Henry vii ) granddaughter incredible. The diversity of characters he plays with that distinguishable nose.
Henry is this episode gives an excellent defence of the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church and why Wycliffe, Luther etc were so wrong - they wanted logic not the mystery of God.
They wanted the word of God, not a tradition which is nothing more than a reheated version of Platonic and later Aristotelian, Pagan philosophy. Sorry, I prefer the witness of Paul to three discredited beliefs of Plato. They are the teachings of the true church, one holy catholic and apostolic, not answered by the Latin rite, Recall that,for example, the word psyche in Greek and it's Hebrew predecessor meant the breath of life extinguished at death. Only Plato teaches there is an eternal rational entity which survives death and called "a soul" and also that the reality of God is the impersonal godhead, not the 3 hypostasis who bring forgiveness to those who embrace that free gift through faith. By the way don't receive yourself. The Orthodox church reject the basic beliefs of the Latin, and should know. They developed the true catholic doctrines of the church, most of which the Latin rite has bowdlerised or rejected. The catholic church, according to the Edict of Theodosius of 380, embraced only those who açcept the Nicene Creed, is the Orthodox and those who embrace the teachings of the true Ecumenical Councils.
ty so much for the upload loving these episodes never watched this series before but there are episodes missing 9 10 etc any chance u can upload them xx
A brave episode, which wouldn't happen now. Then, they trusted the viewers would understand this great conflict of conscience & even cause a view of our own souls which it will, won't it.
Great series eg I Claudius came soon after & Elizabeth R with the brilliant Glenda Jackson . Now I recommend “Rome “ season 1 & 2 brilliant adaptation of Caesar & Augustus & Wolf hall is exceptionally acted
I remember watching this series back when it was first broadcast. I thought it was brilliant then, more like watching a series of plays with the style of acting but excellent entertainment. I don't know if George R.R. Martin ever saw any of these epsiodes but the discussions between Henry VII and his chief councillors sitting around a table are very reminiscent of Game of Thrones. I can also recommend the original French version of Les rois maudits (1972) but the uploader there must have had a copyright strike as those were removed.
The days when the BBC was at it zenith for drama . Now they just made another version of Great expectations with estella & Though Jaggers was of dark in the novel , he had dark hair they instead got black actors & lady havisham a opium addict . So instead of relying on the incredible novel , they have pip swearing & selling drugs , Joe gardener & other characters into S&M . Recently they had Anne Boleyn played by a Black actress , it’s getting ridiculous. Black ppl have a incredible history, why not have a series about the black Jacobites
What do you expect from a state run broadcaster. When the establishment owns a corporation, expect that TV broadcaster to adhere to the agenda's of the policy makers. In today's world, diversity and inclusion.
@@Janellabelle Hank was king for 35 years, Liz was queen for 45. Mary was only Queen for 3 - she certainly burnt way more per year than either of them.
Low budget, limited sets, dodgy camera work and a few technical errors/fudged lines here and there - yet the story is engrossing, the dialogue is riveting, the acting is no less than superb and the series as a whole is thoroughly entertaining. I'd take this over any fantasy media offered today or in recent years - too obsessed with big budget CGI and 'impressive' special effects at the expense of intelligent writing and consistently logical plot. All vapid frills and no heart - not to mention the recent trend of multi character narratives that zap the chance of any real depth. Less is certainly more, as this series and others like it prove. I agree with the top comment: they definitely don't make them like this anymore, and sadly never will again.
Similar quality BBC 70s period dramas here on UA-cam is 'The Devil's Crown' & the civil war (British!) 'By the Sword Divided', both highly recommended.
I never understood how recanting under duress was supposed to mean anything about your internal state. You can't make yourself believe something you don't.
This was interesting as here is one example of how Protestantism crept unto Europe. I often wonder what would have happened if the Great Schism never happened… (the Orthodox Christian v Catholic Schism, that is. Some Orthodox say that “the Catholics were the first Protestants”, and the Orthodox were against the idea of the Pope to begin with).
I wonder if anyone sentenced to the stake ever had some narcotic slipped to them before execution in order to moderate their suffering. What narcotics were available then? Mushrooms? Wolf's bane?
Nope. Pain was the point, as was the public spectacle. Congregations must NOT question the sanctity of the Church; that threatens the power of the Clergy, for the Church is the foundation upon which their status is built. Of course, when Martin Luther in 1517 hammered his 80+ "questions" into the church door in Wittenburg, he was sledghammering that very foundation and, as the Clergy feared, the Church fractured, producing Protestantism. Since the death of Queen Anne in 1716, the Clergy have lost that power, the power to burn us (yes, people such as myself). That pain the Clergy will inflict no more, so long as we keep it from them and the Clergy DO want that power and status back. We must watch the Clergy, always, and closely. Don't forget the pain.
These men should be remembered as heroes. For without them this country would have remained a backward, fearful place. Instead the power of the RC church was broken and following the English civil wars we were on the path to the industrial revolution and the age of reason.
68Albion What are you kidding me? England was great when they were in communion with the One True Church. Oh and it wasn't Lost heretics who broke England away, it was an adulterer king whose claim to the throne was questionable.
68Albion Also it was through the Church that men from common backgrounds in the Middle Ages such as Thomas Cardinal Wolsey could rise from butcher's son to Archbishop of York and papal legate to England.
The only single thing that broke the Roman Catholic Church's power in England was that Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon his wife of 20 odd years to bang Anne Boleyn. He didn't care anything about the religious part of it and remained on the fence between Protestant and Catholic his whole life.
A leader who was philosophical and thought about matters deeply. Compare this to a Boris Johnson or Trump speech today. It's like listening to Einstein one minute vs. a toddler the next.
I like you, only a good honest person would answer as you have. Forgive the presumption on my part. I did so being thus overcome by the intelligent pose of your comment with hath refreshed my desire to meet intelligent folk.
Recanting would not save him from execution as this wasn't his first offense. But, they still believed that if he asked forgiveness of God and Church, his soul could still be saved. He was condemned in this mortal life, but they still wanted to give him a chance at eternity. From their perspective, that was a great kindness and mercy.
I will simply never understand how such people allowed themselves to be burned, when offered chance after chance to recant. Perhaps, their God was offering them salvation in a form, and they had but to keep their beliefs private to attain it. But to choose burning over an act of simple humility to the church and the state? I find that more insane than those doing the burning.
louthegiantcookie because they were steadfast in their faith, the story of justice and pastor in the bible explains it well.. to deny god was a bigger damnation to them than getting tortured and burned by men.
Was this written and produced by the Archbishop of Canterbury? This entire episode may as well be an advertisement for The Church of England!! Sorry people of the UK, but Henry VII was as Catholic as they come. Most of our favorite Monarch's were devout Catholics. All religion was extreme at this time, despite attempts (like this episode) to paint one side as evil and blood thirsty and the other as kind, patient and circumspect. This episode is historically inaccurate and totally unnecessary to the storyline.
The dialogues between Henry and the "heretic" are spine-chilling.
This series is sublime; they don't make them like that any more...
This is great.
The scene between the tower guardsmen and the man accused of heresy was so compelling. Can't imagine a show today purring that kind of focus on such "inconsequential" characters, bur it enhances the series that they do.
Great dialogue between them, particularly the scene (44:30) where the heretic "confessess" recanting to the guardsman. He tries to defend himself by suggesting he "might have been wrong" and the young guardsman retorts, angrily,
"It made sense to me!".
Just as the gaoler warned, the guardsman's been influenced by "the Devils' alchemy":
he's become a heretic himself!
No wonder, secretly meeting in the dead of night to discuss heresy over a bottle of wine with a condemned heretic.
That would've been judged by the Church as a "coven".
In a few years that young lad will be following the same path as the heretic to Stake.
Great dialogue, indeed.
@@davidstevenson9517 that was amazing. That was so moving the dialogue was exquisite and the portrayal by the actors was incredible and deeply moving.
This series is sublime, but I weep for the state of UK television nowadays. To think, drama was once so intelligent and poignant! A very relevant and timeless take on convictions, blind faith, dogmatism and humanity
widbear back when period drama shows weren't all sex scenes
For those who wonder why they burnt the prisoner anyway after he recanted was because he had been in prison before for the same heresy and recanted. This was his second time for the same offense. According to the law, you can recant once and they will forgive you. But the second time although you recant, you will still be burnt. I really like the whole series and am thankful I saw all 13 episodes before they cut out 9-11!
You should watch Isabel (about Isabella, the 1° of Castille) and it's sequel movie and tv show: "La Corona Partida" and "Carlos, Rey Emperador" respectively.
Or "The Crown"
I fully agree , except in comparison to the past , the newer shows reveal more of the vunerability and mentality of those people …
A very good episode. 'Heresy' has not gone away; the attitude of the mass of population and the establishment to ideas which threaten its power is still much the same. They don't get burned at the stake anymore but they can have their lives completely ruined. Just look at Julian Assange.
Henry's obvious affection for the man was quite touching to watch
Vevey2004 ,,hi just seen ur coment,touching to see but mocked him at the end when there was only bones left of the man,,,,Henry,saying well have you found God and peace,,,i felt right at that moment what a prick,,,,how ever ,,very good mini seris,,,we dont ever see anything like these now a day,,from Devils crown,to Edward vii,,,,,it was the golden age for making these,,em,,you might also like,a mini series called the ceasers,,,made and broadcast in 1969,,to great a claim,won the ,,69,,Cain film festvial,,nice taling,,,
@@davidnicholson6154 I think he was saying 'well you have the answers now one way or another " not mocking him.😊
Love this series! Shame they don't make shows like this anymore! Where clever dialogue is everything!! The guy playing Henry was a phenomenal actor!
This vintage British TV series is unquestionably a classic. I commend not only the acting but the script as well... I no longer hear the same quality of dialogues in our contemporary period dramas. No matter how many times I watch this series, I never cease to be fascinated by the elegance of its LANGUAGE, the poetic cadence of its sentences and phrases, the spontaneity and quickness of its wit. I dare say that it has elevated the English language to a sublime level: the PHONETICS here is simply unparalleled and I have never heard the Queen's English enunciated with such consummate skill. At the risk of sounding fulsome, I was so moved by the beauty of its language that I almost wept. Even the masterful use of intonation and voice modulation is nothing short of majestic. Eventually, I ended up asking why we don't have this same quality in our contemporary TV series in this digital age? Perhaps my taste is rather archaicc but part of the answer could lie in the fact that even the English language may have evolved alongside technological advances -- the two being inversely proportional to each other (for lack of a better term). Watching "Shadows of the Tower" is much like earning the privilege of seeing the Royal Shakespeare... for free. It is sheer joy. Kudos!
This series is outstanding. How does the BBC could get superior actors together with such a quality script? Wish they could do things like this in the USA.
and interesting henry is played by an american...
@@pahoboye
From Worcester, MA!!
Too deep for most Americans. Especially the religious ones.
the BBC can't/won't do this sort of series now. Far too talky for today's modern dumbed down audience. Look to the US for top notch drama series.
Superb programme; especially the King's second talk with the Lollard. Subtle characterization and real depth, rarely to be found in television nowadays.
Made by the BBC which doesn't have advertising, that means no pressure to please advertisers, only will the viewer watch it, yup we did back then with only 3 channels. In the 50s America TV with advertiser's made bold live plays with great actors to be like Newman, McQueen & Palance. Now, just pap & drivel.
The dialogues between Henry and the Heretic (Lollard former Catholic priest) are theologically profound yet easily grasped. It makes this episode especially interesting. The cruelty of King, Law, and Church in what they conceive as a good cause is indeed chilling. It is a lesson in how people can believe that they are doing good and pleasing God by acting horribly towards another human being. No longer are such laws around and no one in England is put to death by burning today yet some are treated with cruelty for 'heresy' and "apostasy" in England today. So in a way the lesson learned was to be less brutal, and yet one hopes that the lesson learned would be to become kind and gracious towards others.
Never got to see this series until now. This was an excellent episode. Excellent writing and acting. Thank you!
Absolutely superb way to spend 50 minutes.
James Maxwell and Peter Jeffrey together. What an amazing double performance here.
I agree!
I'm trying to understand why exactly 3 episodes of this series, numbers 9, 10, and 11, are blocked because of "copyright" reasons, when we can see the first 8 and the last 2 just fine. It's from 1971; who still needs to monetize it at all? But especially just those 3 episodes? Seems absurd to me.
What smart dialogue. A quality show through and through.
Immensely talented and instantly recognizable, Peter Jeffrey was one of a great generation of British actors who were comfortable in everything from classical theatre to television comedy.
The irony of course is that about 40 years later Henry vii's own son would challenge the Pope, break up the Catholic Church in England and would be denounced as a heretic by Catholic Europe!
Very simple reasons why. The heir and...
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The Greek word Katholicos means to teach the fullness of the gospel truth.. It has been corrupted by Rome to preach submission to an organisation. The Orthodox Church, and those who embrace if teachings, are "catholic". Rome never had any claim to be any of the four marks of the Church.
@@alecblunden8615one of those historical things those of us in the US are rarely taught
Amazing episode-this keeps getting better.
Good job, Peter Jeffrey -- I don't see much British television, but recognized him from By The Sword Divided.
Thank you for posting all of these. This particular episode is one of my favorites. I have been rewatching the whole series recently on my PS4. For those interested in the Wars of the Roses and the era of the Tudors, watching this series is invaluable.
I recommend By the Sword Divided & The Devil's Crown here too in the same vein & shown 1970s.
Ah, the man in prison played by Philip II of Spain in Elizabeth R. Neat! An exceptional actor, an awesome series.
Thank you for helping jog my memory. I loved him as King Philip. This actor could pronounce the ABC's and make you believe it.
also he played cromwell in by the sword divided... he pops up all over history in one form or another.
Wow! What a transformation! I almost didn’t recognize him until I read your comment! Amazing....
paul hoye He did! Another excellent series. I enjoyed his role in that, as well. He was a very convincing and skilled actor.
@@juliedurden5237 yeah, I still don't see it .
Excellent. There's only one modern 'Tudor' retelling that comes close; the wonderful 'Wolf Hall'.
Also there showing the 1970 Henry v111 & his six wives , on the BBC atm made in the same style ( theatre 🎭) I also absolutely admired wolf hall .
These are so much more outstanding than the ridiculous Tudors with Johnathan R Myers . I don’t understand y ppl were enamoured by it as it was historically inaccurate & just soft porn
Yet this , wolf hall make history enthralling
Perhaps, EM-iz9kg, people are enarmouered because the "Tudors" IS soft porn and is NOT historically accurate but history as they desire it to be.
Possilbly a reflection of a TV audience brought up on cheap "consumerism": they can pick and choose what suits them, style rather than substance, if it feels good it IS good.🍞🎪💻
That was very chilling but also incredibly moving. Such intelligent writing and fine acting. Bravo Peter Jeffrey and James Maxwell.
Watching this is almost the same as sitting in the front row of a small theatre. Low angle direction, multiple cameras filming, no background music and sets cast deep in shadow (that damned Tower!). Highly engaging scripts and performances guarantee repeat viewing by appreciative audiences.
They didn't call it "The Shadow of the Tower" for nothing.
I love this set of videos so thanks for sharing
A superbly moving performance by Peter Jeffrey..
thanks mrs tudor this is a forgotten gem
You're welcome!
MrsTudor1 hi Mrs Tudor. Any chance you could get the six wives of Henry VIII?
Terrific performances, thank you for posting!
Loving this series so much..Thanks for the upload ...Fantastic
Amazing that the actor playing Henry was American.
As an atheist that has endured the mental torment and confusion before finding logic, this was very disturbing and a scary stroll down memory lane. But it is also nice to realize that I live in a less barbaric, first world country where I can express these opinions without being burned.
People may not resort to physical burning anymore but emotional and spiritual burning for ones beliefs is still very much alive and kicking.
@@elizabeths4371 but under that evil middle eastern regime of recent times, people have been subjected to all manner of barbaric executions..for whatever reason that obnoxious evil cult decided was not what THEY desired..i believe burning was part of it..considering what was shown around the world..totally sickening..so maybe you are safe in whatever country you live in.. but many others have suffered recently and are still suffering because of crackpots who believe everyone should be the same.
Hear, hear! ~Anastacia in Cleveland
A lot of his clothing in the film is really beautiful.
It's weird seeing the same person as a most Catholic majesty and a protestant reformer
Knowledge and learning are the most powerful gift one can give thy n self, And History can set a being free to all understanding's of this world.. I simply
King Henry is intrigued by a preacher who is arrested for heresy and speaks with him to persuade him to give up his dissension against the practices of the Catholic Church. The preacher emphasizes to him the simplicity of the Gospel, and his suffering and convictions impress a young Tower guard.
Great vintage tv. You dont have to spend half a million or more on a lavish set up. Here it was filmed in-house ie a studio floor with carpenters et al creating scenes a la Corrie & delivered like a Shakespearian staged play & yes, with diction we can hear & understand. Thanks for post.
this is simply great. thank you!
Really like this episode thanks. The actor that plays the prisoner is peter Jeffrey. He was in a lot of productions over the years.
Thank you for downloading. Outstanding drama. Well acted and brilliantly written. Gripping.
How amazingly intelligent was that dialogue, pure episode of theological debate.
Not like the ludicrous “ Tudors “ series with JRM , who looked absolutely nothing like Henry viii & had sex scenes constantly & was historically inaccurate.
We need to return to this type of production , it all comes from the theatre
Another epic perfomance from beloved Michael Ripper :D
What a moving drama. It was very affecting to me, and an unexpected story line to follow the 1487 Yorkist rebellion. I suppose I'll have to ask the writers of this episode (if any are still alive), but apart from the fact that the Lollards were persecuted for heresy during the reign of Henry VII (and earlier and later monarchs), is there any historical basis for the story in this episode? When I compare this low-budget, wonderfully written and acted series to modern "historical" dramas (like The Tudors or Becoming Elizabeth, which are just horrible), I also weep.
These episodes are excellent. I only wish we had something like this in the US. The UK attention to detail, first rate acting down to the minor parts.
Try Game of Thrones.
Strange how things change. The Heresy here, in 150yrs ends up killing a King! Puritanism had deep roots.
This is an excellent series I've never seen before. Made when the BBC actually made decent programmes worth the licence fee. Pity they've strayed so far from the path now.
Watching this has confirmed to me even more that nothing has changed since these Medieval times.
You still see the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and disabled treated like nothings.
We should have evolved and learned from these grim medieval times, but people still don't give a dam about anyone but themselves, it is very sad. 🙁
I'm sure if we sent you back to the 15th century, you'd be begging to come back to the 21st.
Totally agree , the disparity between the wealthy landed gentry & us the people have not changed , there still getting loads of tax free money for stately homes , poverty is continuing even though we’re such a rich country, I adore historically programs Yes I totally agree it hasn’t changed
Life during the 15th century was harsh and physical. Life expectancy at that time was just 35 years! Although most people lived in small rural villages, some cities had developed including London, Bristol and Norwich. Most people were farmers but the mining of tin, coal and lead were also popular and profitable for those who controlled it .
No rights for the people , no rights to vote & as a woman we had to subservient to men
There is irony in the belief that we should be better than the past because that is surely a symptom of being exactly the same.
A classic - excellent dialogue.
what an extraordinary episode
Peter Jeffrey also played an excellent Philip II in Elizabeth r in the "Enterprise of England" episode.
That's a beautiful red and gold jacket the King wears at 35:59!
Peter jeffery plays the so called Heretic, he’s a phenomenal actor we saw him again in Elizabeth R playing Bloody Mary’s is Spanish husband, who is more in love with Elizabeth 1 than he was with Mary ( Henry vii ) granddaughter incredible. The diversity of characters he plays with that distinguishable nose.
Good episode! Fine acting throughout!
Henry is this episode gives an excellent defence of the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church and why Wycliffe, Luther etc were so wrong - they wanted logic not the mystery of God.
Logic will set you free! ~Anastacia in Cleveland
They wanted the word of God, not a tradition which is nothing more than a reheated version of Platonic and later Aristotelian, Pagan philosophy. Sorry, I prefer the witness of Paul to three discredited beliefs of Plato. They are the teachings of the true church, one holy catholic and apostolic, not answered by the Latin rite, Recall that,for example, the word psyche in Greek and it's Hebrew predecessor meant the breath of life extinguished at death. Only Plato teaches there is an eternal rational entity which survives death and called "a soul" and also that the reality of God is the impersonal godhead, not the 3 hypostasis who bring forgiveness to those who embrace that free gift through faith.
By the way don't receive yourself. The Orthodox church reject the basic beliefs of the Latin, and should know. They developed the true catholic doctrines of the church, most of which the Latin rite has bowdlerised or rejected. The catholic church, according to the Edict of Theodosius of 380, embraced only those who açcept the Nicene Creed, is the Orthodox and those who embrace the teachings of the true Ecumenical Councils.
"He is a man,, and he embraces humanity." That was a profound statement.
Mike Ripper a stalwart of British drama for decades
There must be a balance between reason and the mystery.
"Must be..."?
Michael Ripper. Legend
Amazing. Just so wonderful!
Amazing performance
13:40 King Henry has just been 'owned' and his pride can't take it
no - the poor heretic got owned, he wanted logic not the mystery of God and His Truth.
ty so much for the upload loving these episodes never watched this series before but there are episodes missing 9 10 etc any chance u can upload them xx
A brave episode, which wouldn't happen now. Then, they trusted the viewers would understand this great conflict of conscience & even cause a view of our own souls which it will, won't it.
That is why this time in history was so dangerous . Everyone was insane .
Great series eg I Claudius came soon after & Elizabeth R with the brilliant Glenda Jackson . Now I recommend “Rome “ season 1 & 2 brilliant adaptation of Caesar & Augustus & Wolf hall is exceptionally acted
I remember watching this series back when it was first broadcast. I thought it was brilliant then, more like watching a series of plays with the style of acting but excellent entertainment. I don't know if George R.R. Martin ever saw any of these epsiodes but the discussions between Henry VII and his chief councillors sitting around a table are very reminiscent of Game of Thrones. I can also recommend the original French version of Les rois maudits (1972) but the uploader there must have had a copyright strike as those were removed.
Les rois maudits (1972) Back up ua-cam.com/video/VU3-_C6IcWo/v-deo.html (this is the same series?)
Just .....wow.
The days when the BBC was at it zenith for drama . Now they just made another version of Great expectations with estella & Though Jaggers was of dark in the novel , he had dark hair they instead got black actors & lady havisham a opium addict . So instead of relying on the incredible novel , they have pip swearing & selling drugs , Joe gardener & other characters into S&M . Recently they had Anne Boleyn played by a Black actress , it’s getting ridiculous.
Black ppl have a incredible history, why not have a series about the black Jacobites
What do you expect from a state run broadcaster. When the establishment owns a corporation, expect that TV broadcaster to adhere to the agenda's of the policy makers. In today's world, diversity and inclusion.
This episode is written at a level that puts the others to shame.
nowadays Alan Sugar would act as Henry VII shouting all the time "that is what I like and that is what I don't like".
Queen Mary Tudor burnt more
And Henry VIII and Elizabeth Tudor burnt even more than Mary!
@@Janellabelle Hank was king for 35 years, Liz was queen for 45. Mary was only Queen for 3 - she certainly burnt way more per year than either of them.
Terrifying. What a show!
Low budget, limited sets, dodgy camera work and a few technical errors/fudged lines here and there - yet the story is engrossing, the dialogue is riveting, the acting is no less than superb and the series as a whole is thoroughly entertaining. I'd take this over any fantasy media offered today or in recent years - too obsessed with big budget CGI and 'impressive' special effects at the expense of intelligent writing and consistently logical plot. All vapid frills and no heart - not to mention the recent trend of multi character narratives that zap the chance of any real depth. Less is certainly more, as this series and others like it prove. I agree with the top comment: they definitely don't make them like this anymore, and sadly never will again.
This is so good!
Fantastic .
Similar quality BBC 70s period dramas here on UA-cam is 'The Devil's Crown' & the civil war (British!) 'By the Sword Divided', both highly recommended.
Who is the actor who is King Henry? I really like him…
I never understood how recanting under duress was supposed to mean anything about your internal state. You can't make yourself believe something you don't.
This was interesting as here is one example of how Protestantism crept unto Europe. I often wonder what would have happened if the Great Schism never happened… (the Orthodox Christian v Catholic Schism, that is. Some Orthodox say that “the Catholics were the first Protestants”, and the Orthodox were against the idea of the Pope to begin with).
I wonder if anyone sentenced to the stake ever had some narcotic slipped to them before execution in order to moderate their suffering. What narcotics were available then? Mushrooms? Wolf's bane?
Nope. Pain was the point, as was the public spectacle. Congregations must NOT question the sanctity of the Church; that threatens the power of the Clergy, for the Church is the foundation upon which their status is built.
Of course, when Martin Luther in 1517 hammered his 80+ "questions" into the church door in Wittenburg, he was sledghammering that very foundation and, as the Clergy feared, the Church fractured, producing Protestantism.
Since the death of Queen Anne in 1716, the Clergy have lost that power, the power to burn us (yes, people such as myself). That pain the Clergy will inflict no more, so long as we keep it from them and the Clergy DO want that power and status back. We must watch the Clergy, always, and closely.
Don't forget the pain.
@@davidstevenson9517gunpowder often was slipped to the poor soul facing the burning stake
These men should be remembered as heroes. For without them this country would have remained a backward, fearful place. Instead the power of the RC church was broken and following the English civil wars we were on the path to the industrial revolution and the age of reason.
68Albion What are you kidding me? England was great when they were in communion with the One True Church. Oh and it wasn't Lost heretics who broke England away, it was an adulterer king whose claim to the throne was questionable.
It was during the days of the Catholic Church that the Plantagenet Dynasty we're masters of Europe under Henry II and his ancestor Edward III.
68Albion Also it was through the Church that men from common backgrounds in the Middle Ages such as Thomas Cardinal Wolsey could rise from butcher's son to Archbishop of York and papal legate to England.
The only single thing that broke the Roman Catholic Church's power in England was that Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon his wife of 20 odd years to bang Anne Boleyn. He didn't care anything about the religious part of it and remained on the fence between Protestant and Catholic his whole life.
Why did they burn him if he re canted?
+Kenyan Bunnie
It was their law that -if someone was saved by recanting once- the second time they must die.
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A leader who was philosophical and thought about matters deeply. Compare this to a Boris Johnson or Trump speech today. It's like listening to Einstein one minute vs. a toddler the next.
hail the king henry 7 of england
I like you, only a good honest person would answer as you have. Forgive the presumption on my part. I did so being thus overcome by the intelligent pose of your comment with hath refreshed my desire to meet intelligent folk.
A theological perspective
LET GOD BE GOD AND MEN BE MEN…NEITHER NEED MIX. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
What happened to 3 episodes ? Why are they missing ?
Mrs Tudor 1 you have named yourself after exiled and murdered women 😂 that's great. :)
Before content was dumbed down.
why have you also restricted this episode
I haven't. There may, however, be restrictions placed by UA-cam for Copyright reasons, depending on your country.
I have been enjoying the series, but am not much interested in the religious dogma. I skipped, skipped, skipped through this one
Why did he still die ? he recanted or was that a dream?
Recanting would not save him from execution as this wasn't his first offense. But, they still believed that if he asked forgiveness of God and Church, his soul could still be saved. He was condemned in this mortal life, but they still wanted to give him a chance at eternity. From their perspective, that was a great kindness and mercy.
I am slowly watching this series and must say I was not very impressed. But this episode was outstanding!
I will simply never understand how such people allowed themselves to be burned, when offered chance after chance to recant. Perhaps, their God was offering them salvation in a form, and they had but to keep their beliefs private to attain it.
But to choose burning over an act of simple humility to the church and the state? I find that more insane than those doing the burning.
louthegiantcookie because they were steadfast in their faith, the story of justice and pastor in the bible explains it well.. to deny god was a bigger damnation to them than getting tortured and burned by men.
louthegiantcookie Mythology warps the mind.
Was this written and produced by the Archbishop of Canterbury? This entire episode may as well be an advertisement for The Church of England!! Sorry people of the UK, but Henry VII was as Catholic as they come. Most of our favorite Monarch's were devout Catholics. All religion was extreme at this time, despite attempts (like this episode) to paint one side as evil and blood thirsty and the other as kind, patient and circumspect. This episode is historically inaccurate and totally unnecessary to the storyline.
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